Speaker 1: Welcome back to Good Mom's Bad Choices. I'm Erica and
Speaker 1: I'm Mela. Happy Wednesday mother, Happy Wednesday wife. How are
Speaker 1: you feeling? I'm great?
Speaker 2: How are you?
Speaker 3: I am?
Speaker 1: I'm good.
Speaker 3: I'm doing good, you know, mom life juggling being a
Speaker 3: superstar and a mom trying to get people to pick
Speaker 3: up my kid from school so I can interview the
Speaker 3: biggest rock star of them all.
Speaker 1: Agreed, Agreed, but all's well.
Speaker 4: How are you?
Speaker 1: I'm great? You guys, if you are not following us
Speaker 1: on YouTube, you should specifically now this is the time,
Speaker 1: because bitches have leveled up today.
Speaker 3: Okay, Actually I did a wrong thing and I started
Speaker 3: to look at our our or comments on YouTube last night.
Speaker 1: How would you do that?
Speaker 4: I don't know. I was just curious. I was like
Speaker 4: refraining from talking.
Speaker 1: Shit you this is what you do in the late night.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 3: I'm like you on Lipstick Alley, Like, why don't tell
Speaker 3: me when I did that?
Speaker 4: Secret?
Speaker 3: Anyway, someone requested that we start showing our outfits. They
Speaker 3: said they were fashion nistas. I mean, never show our outfits.
Speaker 3: So I just wanted to say, for whoever wrote that comment.
Speaker 1: Did you get dressed specifically for this you didn't even
Speaker 1: know me.
Speaker 4: I get dressed every day.
Speaker 1: What are you talking about?
Speaker 2: I'd like to think that's for me.
Speaker 3: Yes, we have our titties out and sometimes me and Erica.
Speaker 3: Most of the time we always coordinate because we're spiritual,
Speaker 3: which is wife's no. Oh my god, I'm okay. Let's
Speaker 3: why should be introduce our guests. I was going to
Speaker 3: tell about maur witchy incident over the weekend. It's really
Speaker 3: not that intense.
Speaker 1: But what she's talking about.
Speaker 3: We were sitting in the somewhere and I had a
Speaker 3: specific thought about a particular random person that we both know,
Speaker 3: but it's not a very close person. It's someone who
Speaker 3: lives in fucking Costa Rica. We do not talk to
Speaker 3: him often. And I was like thinking of him, and
Speaker 3: she turns and looks at me and goes, have you
Speaker 3: talked to Gilly? And I said, stop right now, get
Speaker 3: the fuck out of my head.
Speaker 4: I do not appreciate it, and she's like, what are
Speaker 4: you talking about?
Speaker 3: I was like, bitch, I was literally thinking about this
Speaker 3: nigga right this very instant, and you said this to me.
Speaker 3: It scared me really bad. I mean not scared me,
Speaker 3: like I knew we're connected and we're witches.
Speaker 4: But that shit.
Speaker 3: I was like, this is this is on a different
Speaker 3: level of connection. I was like, are we talking without talking?
Speaker 3: Are we that close that we're talking without moving our mouth?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, so it's it's official.
Speaker 1: We're witches.
Speaker 4: Anyway, we have a very special guest here today.
Speaker 3: Who's blessed us with this poppin' ass studio setting because
Speaker 3: he's Poppington, the rock star of all the og the
Speaker 3: original best to ever do it second time on our show,
Speaker 3: the Dad, the entrepreneur.
Speaker 4: The King, the mogul, the mogul. Damon, motherfucking dash.
Speaker 2: I like that one. I was expecting an applause out
Speaker 2: there that.
Speaker 1: We can have that later.
Speaker 4: How are you?
Speaker 2: I'm good better now?
Speaker 1: How are you? I miss you? Friend. Last time I
Speaker 1: saw you was randomly in the backstages of Coach.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, you're having a ball. I was.
Speaker 1: He was escorting his daughters around like a good dad.
Speaker 4: The good rock star dad that he is literally like.
Speaker 1: His daughter's like we're leaving, Dad, He's like, I gotta go.
Speaker 1: They were really bossing his ass all over.
Speaker 3: Erica told me she's like, yeah, I saw Dave. It
Speaker 3: was so cute. She was he was here with his
Speaker 3: daughter and his daughter's son. They're making out. He was
Speaker 3: acting I mean daughter's boyfriend and not daughter's son.
Speaker 1: They were kissing. They were getting real. It was right
Speaker 1: in front of your face.
Speaker 3: Was Eric I saw because she was like, damn, was
Speaker 3: acting so cool and they were just making out. I
Speaker 3: was like, guess that's what his rock star dad's all about.
Speaker 4: You just act cool?
Speaker 5: Well, you know, Ava, But I have a thing with
Speaker 5: my daughter's is I'm actually like a straight slave for them.
Speaker 5: And the reason why is because if they get with
Speaker 5: a guy, the guy has to treat them at least
Speaker 5: as good as me or as me, or if not better.
Speaker 5: And you know, she has someone that really respects her
Speaker 5: and that actually does the right thing by her. So
Speaker 5: you know they're in a relationship, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: It's not like a hookup, even though if they're kissing,
Speaker 5: I don't want to see that, but you know he's
Speaker 5: doing and I know that. The reason why is because
Speaker 5: she's seen our relationship Raquel's and I and the way
Speaker 5: I treat her.
Speaker 2: So she caught one a good one, you know.
Speaker 5: But so he comes to Coachella, Like when I took
Speaker 5: my daughter to Ava to Coachella when she was fourteen
Speaker 5: years old. So then when Tulula turned fourteen, Ava leveraged
Speaker 5: that and was like, you know, Tulula's fourteen, so we
Speaker 5: all got to go to Coachella. So you got to
Speaker 5: get the tickets, you got to get to the house.
Speaker 5: And it was really nothing I could say to that,
Speaker 5: and I actually enjoyed it, you know.
Speaker 2: So I got that off. I don't know if Tallula.
Speaker 5: Wanted to go as bad as maybe Ava, but she
Speaker 5: got that off her bucket list. And I was able
Speaker 5: to take both of my kids to Coachella when they
Speaker 5: were a certain age and then together and then you know,
Speaker 5: Ava graduated college.
Speaker 1: That's amazing.
Speaker 5: Yeah, the good part about Ava is that I've taught
Speaker 5: her a lot of my ideals, but she's like me
Speaker 5: as a woman. But you know, I never have had
Speaker 5: to feel that like pain of a daughter that's not
Speaker 5: doing the right thing publicly, you know what I mean,
Speaker 5: or just you know, sort of disrespecting or.
Speaker 2: Growing or going through it.
Speaker 5: She never went through it like that, and I appreciate that,
Speaker 5: and I got to give a lot of those props
Speaker 5: to her moms as well. But she's been classy she's
Speaker 5: kept it classy and she's kept me proud, you know,
Speaker 5: like she did it. She graduated college. And I didn't
Speaker 5: care if she went to college, but she went. But
Speaker 5: I'm proud, you know what I mean, she chose to go.
Speaker 5: I'm more so proud that she got to go to
Speaker 5: college without debt, you know what I mean. So that's
Speaker 5: where that pride comes in. But she had the discipline
Speaker 5: to do it. She's in a proper relationship. You know,
Speaker 5: she does a modeling one too.
Speaker 1: You know, both your kids are beautiful. First of all,
Speaker 1: they're supermodels.
Speaker 5: Yeah, my two daughters. You know, I got Boogie and
Speaker 5: Lucky and now baby Dustco as well.
Speaker 2: Got boys.
Speaker 1: Yes, all your kids, thank you.
Speaker 5: We all make some beautiful kids. Yoh, I got some too,
Speaker 5: Baby Dosco is ill. This is the first one I
Speaker 5: was able to raise every single day and art detective
Speaker 5: life where I never leave him, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: Like as soon as we've done here and right back there,
Speaker 5: and I'm actually going to do an interview with my
Speaker 5: daughter about our TV show and Love for a Living
Speaker 5: about my children's amazing.
Speaker 4: It's called in Love for a Living.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like that. Rocket and I are in love
Speaker 2: for a living.
Speaker 4: I like that. I want to be in love for
Speaker 4: a living. I mean, I am in love with you.
Speaker 5: Well, the trick about making money is doing something that
Speaker 5: you would do for free, something you enjoy so much
Speaker 5: that you actually get paid for it, and it never
Speaker 5: feels like work. So you know, why would you create
Speaker 5: a career that doesn't include the person you want to
Speaker 5: be around the most. That means you're not going to
Speaker 5: be around her or him when you're promoting and you're
Speaker 5: all doing what you got to do.
Speaker 2: So my model, even with.
Speaker 5: My ex wife Rachel, I create businesses with them so
Speaker 5: that you know, we can do it together and we
Speaker 5: never leave each other. And you know, when there's a
Speaker 5: dream that's made, I was there to help make it
Speaker 5: come true because overall, that's what your man is supposed
Speaker 5: to do. He's supposed to make your dreams come true.
Speaker 5: If your man is not making your dreams come true,
Speaker 5: he's not your man.
Speaker 1: Do you hear that?
Speaker 4: That's a fucking word?
Speaker 1: Do you hear that? No, it's been I've I have
Speaker 1: really loved watching the evolution of you and Roquel, because
Speaker 1: I've known you now for almost ten years.
Speaker 2: I think more than that.
Speaker 1: No, I mean it was right right before I got pregnant.
Speaker 2: That's when we first met. Yeah, like a year before that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so like eight eight nine years my daughter seven.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, and with the vitata, yeah yeah, that's the Veta.
Speaker 2: She just like defriended me.
Speaker 5: I don't know why she's around, I know, but she
Speaker 5: never had She doesn't check any she don't.
Speaker 1: She don't be going nowhere.
Speaker 2: She would be on the ground, she don't.
Speaker 1: She's fighting people's rights.
Speaker 2: That's good.
Speaker 1: People. But I know, Rocky started off as your assistant
Speaker 1: and then grew into being like the wife your Wifey.
Speaker 2: She changed my life unsuspectedly.
Speaker 1: In what ways did you think she changed your life?
Speaker 5: Well, she became my muse, and I wanted different qualities
Speaker 5: in a woman that I had prior to so before
Speaker 5: in a very egotistical way. I was really into dating
Speaker 5: famous women and models and all that other ship. And
Speaker 5: you know, I was really, really completely and everyone knows
Speaker 5: it's in love with Aleah. And even while she was alive,
Speaker 5: the relationship was painful because she was always gone and
Speaker 5: I was always gone. We both we're professionals, and again
Speaker 5: we weren't working together. But you know, I forgot what
Speaker 5: I was talking about.
Speaker 1: What we were talking about, well, just saying how like
Speaker 1: how your expectations what.
Speaker 5: You so, you know, around the time I met Rocky,
Speaker 5: it was like I just wanted a girl that was
Speaker 5: beautiful in the morning.
Speaker 2: When she woke up like that, that was it.
Speaker 5: I was like, as long as when we wake up
Speaker 5: she's gorgeous, you know, because that's when you spend the
Speaker 5: most time. Like when you get into a relationship with somebody,
Speaker 5: you got to wake up with them every day and
Speaker 5: go to sleep with him. And it's not like you're
Speaker 5: out and dressed up. It's how good you look when
Speaker 5: you dressed down, And she's just perfect when she's dressed up,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean. And then you know, it
Speaker 5: was about her showing me the things that I wasn't
Speaker 5: really able to do because I became successful relatively young.
Speaker 5: So going to supermarkets and just walking around in the
Speaker 5: street and walking dogs and one of the bars, just
Speaker 5: regular shit was like a big deal for me. And
Speaker 5: she enjoyed things. And because she didn't know who I
Speaker 5: was when she met me, she never had any expectation,
Speaker 5: so everything that I did is a surprise to her.
Speaker 5: Or do there's no everyone else that I've ever met.
Speaker 5: It's just this is like an entitlement of everything being
Speaker 5: big Willie no matter what you know. But her her family,
Speaker 5: there's no entitlement. You know, they had no expectation. It's just,
Speaker 5: you know, everything feels like appreciate it. So she's always
Speaker 5: appreciated everything that a lot of people don't. And then
Speaker 5: just like you know, wanting it, knowing like wanting a
Speaker 5: girl that paints and it takes pictures and draws and
Speaker 5: you know those kind of cooks you know, take does yoga,
Speaker 5: you know, takes good care of herself. You know, when
Speaker 5: someone takes good care of themselves, by default, they got
Speaker 5: to take good care of you.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 5: So if you see a person a partner in their
Speaker 5: house is dirty, then don't expect them to clean yours.
Speaker 5: If they don't cook for themselves, you can't expect them
Speaker 5: to cook for you, you know. So if somebody doesn't
Speaker 5: do something for themselves, it's rare they're going to be
Speaker 5: able to do it for someone else. That's the reason
Speaker 5: why when I work with people, they have to have
Speaker 5: a dream and I have to see them working on it,
Speaker 5: because the amount of work you put into your dream
Speaker 5: is probably exactly the amount of work that you're putting into. Mind,
Speaker 5: So if I see being lackadaysical about your own, I
Speaker 5: know you being lackadaisical about mine, right, I.
Speaker 3: Mean, then, even if you are putting more into my
Speaker 3: shit than your own, how long will that last? If
Speaker 3: you are not committed to yourself. There's something to be
Speaker 3: said about someone more committed to the relationship than to themselves.
Speaker 4: I don't think that's healthy.
Speaker 1: Well, I find people that are totally like will commit
Speaker 1: to other people's dreams versus their own, and that's not
Speaker 1: the right relationship.
Speaker 4: Do you But do you want that person?
Speaker 1: Of course not. But I think I see that all
Speaker 1: the time, and just in every aspect, not just relationships,
Speaker 1: and as well.
Speaker 5: I think the thing about relationship of finding the perfect
Speaker 5: partner is like with rocky things that people look at
Speaker 5: in other relationships that I've had as faults, she finds
Speaker 5: as strengths.
Speaker 2: You understand what I mean?
Speaker 4: What are some examples.
Speaker 2: She doesn't mind women around, She doesn't mind it at all.
Speaker 3: Well, And when you say women around, are there just
Speaker 3: women around in the house and the bathing suits and
Speaker 3: all the cuttle pockets and the pool, are you interacting
Speaker 3: with women? Are you just making three way kissing them?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 3: What level of around is she accepting of? And the
Speaker 3: people weren't prior to her.
Speaker 2: The level of accepting when you guys were in the pool.
Speaker 4: I haven't announcement.
Speaker 3: I want to tell you, Dame, after that pool they so,
Speaker 3: I know everyone hears this. If you're listening, if you're
Speaker 3: a longtime listener, you know that I'm a three way
Speaker 3: kissing bitch.
Speaker 4: I'd be three way kissing.
Speaker 3: I don't know why it brings so much joy to
Speaker 3: my heart does, but it's it's because of Dame.
Speaker 1: I know you really didn't. You lit the fire in her.
Speaker 3: Ever since, Dame, I have been three way kissing. Ever since,
Speaker 3: I have been on like a like a fucking manifesto.
Speaker 4: Come everyone gather around you. You you no, we can't
Speaker 4: do that. We did four too, I have you know,
Speaker 4: I reserved the four for us.
Speaker 3: I haven't taken that far, but I have three way
Speaker 3: my fucking life away.
Speaker 5: I wasn't expecting you to say all that. I see
Speaker 5: what we're working with now. I appreciate that.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Last time, last time Erica and I went to the house,
Speaker 3: we all went swimming, and.
Speaker 1: Why not Damon gave us.
Speaker 4: What kind of show did you think you were on?
Speaker 2: Dave?
Speaker 4: I know, we're never rock star moms.
Speaker 1: The fun we're rock star moms.
Speaker 3: We tell it like it is in the pool, and
Speaker 3: then Rocky came and then we wait.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's we don't want to tell everybody.
Speaker 4: So I thought it was lovely.
Speaker 2: No, No, that was great.
Speaker 4: Anyway back to you.
Speaker 5: Damn, I got out, Dame dash that's crazy was the
Speaker 5: next question.
Speaker 4: He that you hear that?
Speaker 3: Guys, I've out, Damon. Damon started sweat. I'm sorry bringing
Speaker 3: it back.
Speaker 1: So what you're saying you think previously in relationships have
Speaker 1: you have you tried to fit into a box of
Speaker 1: like what's like a normal I guess monogamous relationship would
Speaker 1: look like.
Speaker 5: I think I was always tried to put be put
Speaker 5: in a box. No, Like, if you're attracted to a
Speaker 5: man because women like him, and then you get with him,
Speaker 5: you can't be mad at women still being attracted to him.
Speaker 5: And you know, if he's a witty, humorous, flirtatious kind
Speaker 5: of a guy or charming, you can't expect the person
Speaker 5: to stop being charming.
Speaker 1: You know, how do you think you balance that though, like,
Speaker 1: how do you I mean, obviously.
Speaker 2: I know Rocky and I'm with Rocky every single day.
Speaker 4: You guys get tired of each other.
Speaker 5: Never, That's the thing. I never get tired of being
Speaker 5: around Rocky. You see, I don't be out. I got
Speaker 5: what I'm looking for. I'm not out recruiting. I'm not
Speaker 5: out recruiting, you know. And I don't disrespect our relationship
Speaker 5: by lying. So, you know, we have a very honest relationship.
Speaker 5: And it just so happens that she's one of the
Speaker 5: most confident people I've ever met in my life because
Speaker 5: it's not like an issue that has to be pushed.
Speaker 5: She doesn't like dudes around me, Like she doesn't like dudes.
Speaker 5: I don't like dudes, you know what I'm saying. So
Speaker 5: we have that in common. But she really does, like
Speaker 5: she feels you know, she knows, I guess from being
Speaker 5: around me. She knows every single thing a dude's not saying,
Speaker 5: and what a dude is thinking, and what a dude
Speaker 5: has the potential to do, you know, So she just
Speaker 5: like cut all of that off completely.
Speaker 2: So you know, I have.
Speaker 5: Friends, and I have a lot and I have consistent
Speaker 5: relationships with them, but they don't entail me being away
Speaker 5: from my girl, but it doesn't entail my girl being
Speaker 5: around a bunch of dudes, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: So it works out that way.
Speaker 1: So now that I know you guys, you guys just
Speaker 1: had a baby, were not just how does dusk going
Speaker 1: to year and a half? Year and a half times?
Speaker 1: It's flying And essentially, I mean, I guess it's almost
Speaker 1: like a second chance of fatherhood for you. Not that
Speaker 1: like you needed a second chance, but like we said,
Speaker 1: like this is the first so I.
Speaker 2: Needed I needed a fifth chance. That was my fifth chance.
Speaker 1: I needed it, sorry fifth And I know, I know, Rocky,
Speaker 1: you know, she really really wanted a child as well.
Speaker 5: That's all she wanted, right, She didn't care about anything
Speaker 5: but having a child. And actually we went through IVF
Speaker 5: and fairly far along in the pregnancy it went wrong
Speaker 5: and you know that didn't work out, and a year
Speaker 5: later we had a baby. I mean, we really had to.
Speaker 5: Well yeah, and we're starting the process again today. Yesterday
Speaker 5: she started taking the shows. I'm like, yo, I'm fifty one, man.
Speaker 5: If we're gonna do this, we gotta do this now.
Speaker 5: But yeah, every relationship that I've had Prior to this one,
Speaker 5: I've had to fight to see my children. My children
Speaker 5: have been used to hurt me, which hurts them, and
Speaker 5: my children haven't been able to have the luxury of
Speaker 5: seeing both of us at the same time and enjoying
Speaker 5: both of us at the same time and not seeing
Speaker 5: me hurt because I missed them so much. So being
Speaker 5: able to art detect the world where I can be
Speaker 5: with my child every I've been with baby Dusco every
Speaker 5: single day since he's been born, Like I've flown places
Speaker 5: and come back to New York and back and think
Speaker 5: New York and back in the day Nicolett and I
Speaker 5: just because I can't be I can't do it. I
Speaker 5: have a different option. And it's the best feeling in
Speaker 5: the world. There's nothing better, you know, like just watching
Speaker 5: your baby grow and being able to invest time and him,
Speaker 5: be able to just be with both of us or
Speaker 5: one of us and just pivot back like it's crazy
Speaker 5: to be able.
Speaker 2: I know that I've been.
Speaker 5: I've been the person that's rocked him to sleep because
Speaker 5: every day.
Speaker 2: More than anyone. It's not like we swim three times
Speaker 2: a day.
Speaker 5: We went to the doctor yesterday and the doctor was
Speaker 5: like he's at a four year old level. You know
Speaker 5: the things he's doing. And I don't think, you know,
Speaker 5: he's a super genius. I just I think every child
Speaker 5: is a super genius if both parents can invest a
Speaker 5: certain amount of time.
Speaker 2: And that's another thing. Is Rocky does that? She done,
Speaker 2: made two.
Speaker 5: Books, coloring books, she makes his food from You know,
Speaker 5: he's complete.
Speaker 2: It's the dream.
Speaker 5: And I always remember where I came from all the time,
Speaker 5: not to say the hood, just where I was mentally
Speaker 5: and what was hurting me, So I know what was
Speaker 5: hurting me before it was hurting me that I couldn't
Speaker 5: see my children. My whole life has been court and
Speaker 5: being positioned just so I could see them the moments
Speaker 5: that I can, the pain of missing them on holidays
Speaker 5: and birth days, and Rocky stuck with me through actually
Speaker 5: every bit of that since Tallula was born. And then
Speaker 5: I know the pain of wanting to have a baby
Speaker 5: with a woman and it not working out so quickly,
Speaker 5: knowing that it's the perfect relationship, like finally I got
Speaker 5: the woman, but we can't have the baby, and I
Speaker 5: subsequently we went through some shit that I never ever
Speaker 5: went through, you know, a different kind of pain, but
Speaker 5: I knew that the only reason for that darkness was
Speaker 5: because the light was going to be crazy. But as
Speaker 5: an adult, I was able to art detect what I
Speaker 5: wanted the first two three years to look like for us,
Speaker 5: and we've been living it, so I'm actually living in
Speaker 5: my dream right now. But I had to visualize it first,
Speaker 5: and she visualized it, and we fought hard for it,
Speaker 5: and that's why you marry it. It's like sometimes you
Speaker 5: got to feel some pain to marinate it when you're
Speaker 5: not in pain, and that's what's fucked up about humans,
Speaker 5: like trial and everror. I'd rather be able to learn
Speaker 5: from somebody else's pain, but I actually had to learn
Speaker 5: from my own. But I'm lucky enough to be agile
Speaker 5: and to still be healthy to get that other chance
Speaker 5: to do it right. Had I not been able, like
Speaker 5: you know, able to just graduated college, had I not
Speaker 5: been able to experience what I've experienced now, I would
Speaker 5: have really missed out on the meaning of life.
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Speaker 5: Like a lot of people don't get to go through that.
Speaker 5: You get that lighter back, you got to be a
Speaker 5: lighter passer, backup past that fireback.
Speaker 1: Well, I think it's amazing. I think obviously, I think
Speaker 1: as mothers and women, this is something that we you know,
Speaker 1: we had Joe Budden on the show and he he
Speaker 1: said that mothers are the primary parent and I took
Speaker 1: issue with that because I felt like, no, motherfucker, this
Speaker 1: is a this is a two per situation. We both
Speaker 1: laid down had this baby and said we were going
Speaker 1: to be there to hear what you're saying and saying
Speaker 1: that you want to be there through every step of
Speaker 1: the way and be involved.
Speaker 2: Every doctor's appointment, and that's what I mean.
Speaker 1: He said that that's just how it goes and I said, no,
Speaker 1: that's a choice.
Speaker 2: That's a choice.
Speaker 1: That's for sure a choice like men make that choice
Speaker 1: of like, yeah, you got it, No.
Speaker 5: I got what happens when you get to spend that time,
Speaker 5: you get to see how hard it is to raise
Speaker 5: a child or baby because a baby needs to be
Speaker 5: watched twenty four seven. They're always moving around, so it's
Speaker 5: hard to have time for yourself. So if Rocky didn't
Speaker 5: have the support system, I would I don't even know.
Speaker 5: It's still hard with the support system, but you know
Speaker 5: we I'm no one's complaining. We love that kind of hard,
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying, Paul, So.
Speaker 2: So I know again.
Speaker 5: I was having an argument with a debate with one
Speaker 5: of my friends that I resp backed a lot, and
Speaker 5: I was like, yo, women and God to me man,
Speaker 5: I'm a slave for and you know that's what makes
Speaker 5: me a king and that's why I deserve a queen.
Speaker 5: And he was like, no, you bugging. The man is
Speaker 5: the prior and the man is I'm like, yo, everything
Speaker 5: under man's control is fucked up. He's still fighting wars.
Speaker 5: Don't see no women really setting it on people like that.
Speaker 5: You feel me like it's crazy, it's all under the
Speaker 5: world is.
Speaker 2: Messed up under men's control.
Speaker 5: So of course a man is going to make women
Speaker 5: believe that they're smarter. But women create life and that's
Speaker 5: the closest thing to God, I know, and I get
Speaker 5: a lot of pushback for that, but I don't care.
Speaker 5: That's just that's that's what's made my life to what
Speaker 5: it is.
Speaker 4: Do you think you would?
Speaker 3: I mean, I agree one thousand percent, And I think
Speaker 3: that's why the world isn't a deep imbalance, because men
Speaker 3: have been tricked into believing that otherwise. But it's not
Speaker 3: really hard to figure out if you're paying attention. Do
Speaker 3: you think you would have been that aware had you
Speaker 3: not taken this last like, had this experience and been
Speaker 3: in the house every day raising your child.
Speaker 2: Oh no, no, no, never.
Speaker 5: I can't believe how much work it is to be
Speaker 5: a mom, you know, and that women do this on
Speaker 5: their own, and that men don't have the strength to
Speaker 5: see it through where a woman just won't give up
Speaker 5: on their child. So when you just say let your
Speaker 5: mother take care of it, that's like saying I'm giving
Speaker 5: up on my child.
Speaker 2: And then you're not visualizing how much work.
Speaker 5: Like when I think about rocky doing certain things I
Speaker 5: think about or even me what it's going to look
Speaker 5: like in the future, carrying a baby while you going
Speaker 5: shopping or going to the doctor, and what could happen
Speaker 5: and all these things. I just I couldn't have pictured that.
Speaker 5: It's that much work to take care of a baby.
Speaker 5: And I actually have to give my you know, my
Speaker 5: other kids mom's kudos despite how I feel, because they
Speaker 5: took their challenge on and they they did a lot
Speaker 5: without me.
Speaker 2: You know, I just would.
Speaker 5: I don't know why they chose that, you know what
Speaker 5: I mean, I was fighting to be there, Like that's
Speaker 5: the crazy shit is I'd be the one fighting to
Speaker 5: be there.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 5: You got to remember I had custody of Boogie when
Speaker 5: he was eight, so I was a single father, and
Speaker 5: I wouldn't do that to another child ever.
Speaker 2: Again, it's affected him to this day.
Speaker 1: Do you think it's your lifestyle, the rock star lifestyle
Speaker 1: that they like they don't understand or they don't they
Speaker 1: don't understand even like the idea that you know, you
Speaker 1: would have other women in the house and also be
Speaker 1: married essentially, and that's not the I'm just curious because,
Speaker 1: like I know, because you have perspectives.
Speaker 2: My first child, I was twenty so it was never
Speaker 2: really like that.
Speaker 1: M hm.
Speaker 2: And you know, I was married to Rachel.
Speaker 5: And again, I have so much respect for my children
Speaker 5: that I don't really get into that.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
Speaker 5: But at the end of the day, they she just
Speaker 5: wasn't like you know, I guess Rachel was like with
Speaker 5: like swing on girls the club, like jealousy, just just disrespect,
Speaker 5: like a girl might just come up and kiss me
Speaker 5: and she'd be like and it be the whackest punch
Speaker 5: in the world, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: And I'd be like, you gotta stop doing that. You
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. Somebody's gonna whip your ass, like
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: So it wasn't even about And again I would never
Speaker 5: what I've been used as an example of, which is
Speaker 5: even great. My daughters will probably never get with a
Speaker 5: man like me, you understand, I mean, they know what
Speaker 5: a man like me is.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, that's a choice.
Speaker 1: Would you want your daughters to date a man like you?
Speaker 5: No, I want my daughter to date the man like
Speaker 5: she's dating, like he does everything, but he's not.
Speaker 2: He has you know.
Speaker 5: And again it's not you have to understand the issues
Speaker 5: I have. You know, these are like I think they
Speaker 5: weren't me sometimes being a little insecure. My mother died
Speaker 5: and that was my worst nightmare when I was like fifteen,
Speaker 5: and that from in that space on, I was very
Speaker 5: leary about letting myself get close to a woman. And
Speaker 5: then I get close to a woman and she dies
Speaker 5: in a plane crash. So of course I'm like, I
Speaker 5: have a fear of being invested, and only you know
Speaker 5: what I mean. It's like I already know it. You
Speaker 5: know what I mean, and I think Rocky understands that.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
Speaker 5: But it's not like I'm not don't get a twisted
Speaker 5: I'm not in a bunch of relationships with a bunch
Speaker 5: of women at all. It's just they be around, you
Speaker 5: know what I mean. They're around to hang out and
Speaker 5: to kick it. But she just doesn't have any issues
Speaker 5: with it, you know what I mean. Where the women
Speaker 5: that I've been with before just they just didn't want
Speaker 5: girls around me at all. But again I wouldn't either,
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying. But I think our relationship
Speaker 5: would be different if I wasn't around Rockel every single day.
Speaker 5: So if I was leaving her to be with other
Speaker 5: around women, that would be different. But I don't want to.
Speaker 5: I have no desire to do that. You know what
Speaker 5: I'm saying, Like, what's your I forgot?
Speaker 1: Yeah, tars, Oh that makes total sense.
Speaker 4: Your birthday just passed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, happy birthday.
Speaker 2: Thank you?
Speaker 1: Grounded home life is really important. You like nice things, stability, independence, independence.
Speaker 1: Are you a preature of habit? Like you do? Order
Speaker 1: the same shit over and over again. You go to
Speaker 1: the same places, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Eat the same food. I mean, I don't like to
Speaker 2: take chances. And I like to.
Speaker 5: Control my environment. Mhm, so like Coachella. I can't control
Speaker 5: the environment, so anxiety all those people. But I do
Speaker 5: like to be able to make my rules, you know,
Speaker 5: without them breaking any laws.
Speaker 1: What I think, what I was going to say is
Speaker 1: that you know, I know you have a son and
Speaker 1: a baby son, a baby son, and obviously you share this,
Speaker 1: you share this perspective of that women are gods and
Speaker 1: all these things. Like, I guess, in what ways do
Speaker 1: you are you going to raise him different than you
Speaker 1: were able to with your sons? Obviously I know they
Speaker 1: were there, I know you're there, but it's anything different
Speaker 1: that you would change versus the lessons you taught your
Speaker 1: older sons versus you know, now having a much younger son.
Speaker 5: Well, the difference between my first son and the rest,
Speaker 5: it was like I had just made all that money
Speaker 5: as I had him, so it was like I didn't
Speaker 5: really know how I was new money and I had
Speaker 5: he was outside.
Speaker 2: Him and my nephews was too cool. I wanted them
Speaker 2: to be as cool as me.
Speaker 5: But that's too cool because I get you in trouble,
Speaker 5: you know, you gotta be They was outside. So like
Speaker 5: you know again, I had boogie with all my nephews,
Speaker 5: the heirs, Darien and little Darien, Nico Dash now little Stevie,
Speaker 5: little Bobby, and little Kathy and even little Austin out
Speaker 5: here Stacy's son.
Speaker 2: Those little motherfuckers are all the same age. And they
Speaker 2: was bad.
Speaker 5: And you know what I would do is I would
Speaker 5: give them my cars. I didn't really use, like my van,
Speaker 5: like I had the van custom before everybody, but once
Speaker 5: I got sick, I'd give it to them. And their
Speaker 5: nanny was basically a driver with a gun. And I
Speaker 5: would hear now that they're older, i'd hear the stories
Speaker 5: and I'm like, and they all got in trouble or
Speaker 5: every last one of them. You know, they're are like
Speaker 5: they're good now. But for my other nephews and my kids,
Speaker 5: especially my boys, I tried to keep a lot of
Speaker 5: that cool shit. I teach them the ideals, but I
Speaker 5: didn't want it. Wasn't like I don't have them running around,
Speaker 5: you know. I almost wanted to be a little corny,
Speaker 5: just a touch, you know what I mean. Too cool
Speaker 5: means you've dealt with pain too much.
Speaker 1: Too cool to get you fucked up out here.
Speaker 4: I have a question speaking of pain.
Speaker 3: I know you've talked about, you know, just understanding how
Speaker 3: you relate to women from your past experiences and some
Speaker 3: of your trauma from your mom and the relationship that
Speaker 3: you had. How have you like that's first of all,
Speaker 3: bomb to be able to recognize exactly where it's inflicted
Speaker 3: and how it's affected you in your relationships. But how
Speaker 3: have you worked on healing that?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 4: Are you in therapy?
Speaker 5: And yeah, I did a lot of I still do
Speaker 5: therapy every week. But I'm lucky enough to have like
Speaker 5: a friend that's a therapist. So you know, we got
Speaker 5: that show Healing is Gangster, But before that, like when
Speaker 5: I'd have to get court order therapy, like I had
Speaker 5: to go through like supervised visitations and therapy just to
Speaker 5: see my children.
Speaker 2: But it really did help. I'm glad I went through it.
Speaker 5: So what I learned was when you're spending time with
Speaker 5: your child, like I had Ava and Boogie, they used
Speaker 5: to be in my world with me. So they'd come
Speaker 5: to the office, my office, and they come to my events,
Speaker 5: and I felt like that was me spending time with them.
Speaker 5: What I learned was I have to go to their office,
Speaker 5: so you know, it became for tulula tulula time, and
Speaker 5: we would make you know that, we would make her environment.
Speaker 5: I would basically go to a seven eight year old's
Speaker 5: environment and create that.
Speaker 2: So now if you go.
Speaker 5: Into baby duscos it's an environment, it's his environment. We
Speaker 5: don't really try to bring him in our environment so often.
Speaker 5: That's why he doesn't come to the office. You know,
Speaker 5: we uh, we create an environment of his that we
Speaker 5: hang out in.
Speaker 1: I'm so glad that you said that, because I think
Speaker 1: that's something that a lot of parents miss, not just
Speaker 1: dads and moms too.
Speaker 5: But well, I had to get professional help to realize
Speaker 5: that I didn't just that wasn't just something in your mind.
Speaker 1: You were like, what I'm doing, I'm spending the time,
Speaker 1: or at the show, they're seeing Janet Jackson in person,
Speaker 1: they're doing this, Like what the fuck are they complaining about.
Speaker 5: What's crazy is how confidence you could be in something
Speaker 5: that you're so wrong, and then when you figure out
Speaker 5: or find out or get enlightened or have that epiphany,
Speaker 5: it's your responsibility to change immediately. But some people don't,
Speaker 5: even though they're conscious, they go by pattern. But yeah, therapists,
Speaker 5: I needed that?
Speaker 1: Was that just one? Was that just one breakthrough? Like
Speaker 1: they just she just broke it down like that and
Speaker 1: you just understood it or it took time for you
Speaker 1: to get together and they stood it.
Speaker 5: As soon as she said it, because I saw, you know,
Speaker 5: when I went to the therapy. It wasn't like us
Speaker 5: sitting in a therapist from what we were in like
Speaker 5: a nurse, you know, like a romper room type shit
Speaker 5: places