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Speaker 1: Hey there, folks.

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Speaker 2: It is Monday, January fifth, and the children of a

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Speaker 2: slain lawmaker are pleading with President Trump to please please

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Speaker 2: take down a social media post saying this might be

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Speaker 2: a necessary step towards decency. And with that, welcome to

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Speaker 2: this episode of Amy and TJ.

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Speaker 1: Roves.

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Speaker 2: That's what stood out to me in this whole mess

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Speaker 2: right now is basic decency. Step one is just the

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Speaker 2: basic decency. What do you make of this whole story

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Speaker 2: we're getting into, but just the idea that decency is

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Speaker 2: at the forefront of this story.

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Speaker 3: Yes, and that you have children who are grieving, who

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Speaker 3: just spent the holidays without their parents because of a

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Speaker 3: political assassination, something that we have been talking about and

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Speaker 3: dealing with sadly in the last few months. They're now

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Speaker 3: having to ask it almost as if they're pleading with

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Speaker 3: the president please please take this down. It fans and

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Speaker 3: it fuels the flames of conspiracy theories, and it gets

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Speaker 3: people killed.

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Speaker 2: And he says in the family here saying, mister President,

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Speaker 2: you're hurting us. You are hurting this family all over

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Speaker 2: again by what you're doing now. As many people know,

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Speaker 2: the President is known to tweet quite a bit he's

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Speaker 2: a true social We've had nights where he's absolutely put

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Speaker 2: out one hundred posts overnight. He had a very active

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Speaker 2: night again last night. But something that stood out Robes

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Speaker 2: and what we're talking about is Melissa Hortman. A lot

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Speaker 2: of people remember over the summer there was a man

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Speaker 2: who seemed to be on a tear at least, going

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Speaker 2: around shooting lawmakers, targeting lawmakers in Minnesota. Melissa Hortman and

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Speaker 2: her husband were killed that evening. Their children are the

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Speaker 2: ones now speaking out because ropes the president has put

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Speaker 2: out or re posted, I should say, a video that

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Speaker 2: suggests that the current governor of Minnesota was in some

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Speaker 2: is just preposterous.

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Speaker 3: At this point, it's fantasy, it's preposterous. And this has

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Speaker 3: been going on since the actual gunman was apprehended. There

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Speaker 3: was a letter that they found in his vehicle addressed

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Speaker 3: to FBI Director Cash Pattel where and you all everyone

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Speaker 3: who has read this letter said it is delusional, But

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Speaker 3: he said that he committed this assassination, these assassinations, and

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Speaker 3: certainly these shootings because they weren't the only ones who

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Speaker 3: claims that Governor Tim Waltz.

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Speaker 4: Told him to.

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Speaker 3: Do it, asked him to do it because he wanted

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Speaker 4: It was pure fantasy.

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Speaker 3: According to everyone who read this letter, it was the

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Speaker 3: law enforcement correct. Yes, everyone has debunked this letter. But

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Speaker 3: to take a letter written by someone who now stands

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Speaker 3: facing multiple federal murder charges, to take that and to

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Speaker 3: these assassinations in Minnesota, in his own state by members

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Speaker 2: Conspiracy theories are going to be out there online NonStop.

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Speaker 2: When the President of the United States posts something like this,

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Speaker 2: it elevates it and it moves it to another level.

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Speaker 2: We know as of late, not even as of late,

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Speaker 2: but for a long time. I mean this guy with

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Speaker 2: Tim Waltz for a long time and has gone after

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Speaker 2: him in every chance he can. The whole issue now

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Speaker 2: with some alli's in that state and the old child

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Speaker 2: I think everybody admits there. But the president has now

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Speaker 2: taken this and targeted the Somali community, targeted ilhan Omar,

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Speaker 2: a situation. This now elevates it. And if there is

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Speaker 2: I mean, is he even going to get this message?

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Speaker 2: But I would imagine this was such an impassioned thing,

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Speaker 3: This is a and you say impassioned plea to the

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Speaker 3: as you pointed earlier, babe, human decency. This is about

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Speaker 3: recognizing that when you make or at least you put

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Speaker 3: the children of former House Speaker Melissa Hortman and her

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Speaker 3: husband Mark. Here is what Colin Hortman said, My father

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Speaker 3: were killed by a man who believed conspiracy theories and

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Speaker 3: fake news words matter. Sharing fake news is dangerous. One

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Speaker 3: part of my grief journey has been understanding the last

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Speaker 3: conversation with my mother. She loved her job, people respected

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Speaker 3: her job and what she did at her job. So

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Speaker 3: he talks about the vote that a lot of people

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Speaker 3: have pointed to is the reason behind her death, which

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Speaker 3: has been largely debunked, and this is all fueling this

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Speaker 3: I am asking President Trump to remove the video that

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Speaker 3: he shared and apologize to me and my family for

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Speaker 3: posting this misinformation and for using my mother's own words

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Speaker 3: to dishonor her memory.

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Speaker 2: You know, I think it's a stretch to get him

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Speaker 2: to take it down. I think it's beyond a stretch

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Speaker 2: to expect him to apologize. I think that's probably fair,

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Speaker 2: but this is worrying.

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Speaker 1: Robes.

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Speaker 2: We talk about political assassinations, we have actually seen them

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Speaker 2: in this country as of late, and he's putting a

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Speaker 2: of having someone else killed. In some people's twisted minds,

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Speaker 2: in some circles, that means Tim walt is a criminal

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Speaker 2: and he is a target to be taken out justifiably.

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Speaker 1: That is worrying.

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Speaker 3: Babey went onto Twitter Let's worry or x and I

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Speaker 3: saw to what you're saying. I saw this original post

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Speaker 3: and other lots of people have reposted it, not just

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Speaker 4: When you read the comment events, it is scary. People

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Speaker 3: One hundred percent believing this, saying why hasn't Tim Waltz

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Speaker 3: been arrested, Why is he still allowed to be governor?

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Speaker 3: What is it going to take for people to understand

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Speaker 3: that Tim Walls was behind these murders? I mean, really,

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Speaker 3: it's scary, one comment after another, So, yes, this does matter.

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Speaker 4: And we didn't just hear from Colin.

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Speaker 3: We heard from Sophie as well, and I wanted to

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Speaker 3: read a little bit of her statement as well. The

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Speaker 3: video being shared by the President is another hurdle our

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Speaker 3: family must overcome in grieving the loss of my parents,

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Speaker 3: Mark and Melissa and their beloved dog, Gilbert. I ask

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Speaker 3: President Trump to please consider the pain and sadness we

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Speaker 3: have faced and to honor the spirit of the holidays

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Speaker 3: we have just spent without our parents. By taking down

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Speaker 3: the post on truth social we must create a society

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Speaker 3: in which we do not harbor hatred and violence toward

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Speaker 3: our political opponents. And this, this video promotes a false

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Speaker 5: Well done.

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Speaker 2: They could have been a I mean they again I

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Speaker 2: say impassion, But that was well done.

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Speaker 1: It was well said.

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Speaker 2: I think it was even mentioning the holidays like that

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Speaker 2: was a plea, like if nothing else do we just

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Speaker 1: That was This is tough.

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Speaker 2: I don't expect I don't think anybody expects anything to

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Speaker 2: moment because the President had there's a good bone in

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Speaker 5: There is there absolutely is.

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Speaker 2: Well whatever issues people have with them, and this was

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Speaker 2: an appeal to like children. I didn't catch the ages

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Speaker 2: of the kids here, but and you wrote, I think

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Speaker 2: you have spent more time studying the statements this morning

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Speaker 2: than I have. But is there anything in it that

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Speaker 2: but it didn't seem like they're they were directing anger

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Speaker 3: No, And that was actually what was so beautiful about it.

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Speaker 3: It really came off as a plea, please understand the

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Speaker 3: inciting by your words. It felt like they were almost

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Speaker 3: begging the president please out of the word you use decency,

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Speaker 3: please take it down, but also out of concern that

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Speaker 3: this could actually continue this cycle of violence we are

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Speaker 3: seeing politically speaking, even you know in this in this rampage.

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Speaker 3: The man who ended up actually committing all of this

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Speaker 4: Parents, but also shot at other members of.

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Speaker 3: I guess ninety minutes before the Hortmans were killed. They

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Speaker 3: Colin Hortman. They say, we asked President Trump to take

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Speaker 3: down the post spreading CONSPI claims about their parents' deaths.

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Speaker 3: Those claims reflect the same hateful falsehoods that motivated violence

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Speaker 3: and caused more harm. This moment caused for responsibility and compassion.

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Speaker 3: Removing the post would be a necessary step towards your word, babe, decency.

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Speaker 3: And so that is what we heard from the Hoffman's

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Speaker 3: president reposted. But we have not heard anything from the

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Speaker 3: reading all of these impassioned statements asking the President for

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Speaker 3: a lot of reasons to take the post down. You said,

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Speaker 3: have we even checked to see if he took it down.

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Speaker 3: We had to go through a lot of his truth

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Speaker 2: No, I don't know if we'll necessarily get one from

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Speaker 2: the world White House, but I with President Trumpet. If

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Speaker 2: them aren't his own words. We end up reading a

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Speaker 2: lot of them. But he does spend a lot a

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Speaker 2: lot of time reposting things. This was one. I don't

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Speaker 2: know how he has time to do it. This too,

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Speaker 2: It takes a little bit of time to find all

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Speaker 2: these things. I don't know if they're coming to him,

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Speaker 2: if somebody's pointing them out, or if he does spend

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Speaker 2: a lot of time scrolling.

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Speaker 5: It seems like he wouldn't have that.

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Speaker 2: Kind of time, you know that's been going on around

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Speaker 2: the world to our South military ACA.

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Speaker 4: He's a little busy this weekend.

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Speaker 5: It's and it's bizarre that he would have time for

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Speaker 5: this and why and why now it just doesn't make

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Speaker 5: a whole lot of sense. The only theory we can

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Speaker 1: Stay here, folks, We continue here on Amy and TJ.

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Speaker 2: A busy weekend, certainly with a lot of news folks

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Speaker 2: of that's been going on with the President had time

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Speaker 2: to repost something over the weekend. They quite frankly set

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Speaker 1: Robes.

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Speaker 2: I don't imagine we are going to get a retraction

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Speaker 3: I was just going to ask, you, can you recall

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Speaker 3: because I cannot a moment in which he acknowledged he overstepped,

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Speaker 4: I can't recall one.

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Speaker 2: And there's a reason we shouldn't. Probably expect him to

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Speaker 2: he finds one. He finds one that can really fire

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Speaker 2: now are even pissed about what happened in Venezuela, like

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Speaker 2: this isn't what we were supposed to be doing. Its

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Speaker 1: Are going to follow him on.

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Speaker 2: So what we're seeing now in this post, it doesn't

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Speaker 3: Will correct, I think if you go through his truth

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Speaker 3: Social it's either about Venezuela or it's about Minnesota, and

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Speaker 3: Tim Waltz officially said this, it is dangerous, depraved behavior

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Speaker 3: more innocent people killed. America is better than this.

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Speaker 2: Well, he thought so, right, We thought so. But we

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Speaker 2: That's where we are, and that's the truth of the matter.

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Speaker 2: we would lose it. And this is just another Monday.

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Speaker 3: This is just another Monday, and there is going to

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Speaker 4: From Minnesota governor.

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Speaker 3: He had been seeking or is currently seeking a third

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Speaker 3: it's a legitimate concern and a legitimate potential misuse of

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Speaker 3: But to politicize it further and to deliberately propagate or

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Speaker 1: Well, keep an eye.

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Speaker 2: On Trump's truth social today between this issue and I'm

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Speaker 2: be posting by eleven oh one. I'm sure I am

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Speaker 2: today all right, Well, folks are keeping a close eye

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Speaker 2: on everything. Also, keep an eye out. We'll have the

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Speaker 2: morning run up for you here in a little bit.

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Speaker 2: We just want to hop on and give you some

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Speaker 2: to us. I'm TJ. Holmes on behalf of my dear

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Speaker 2: Amy Roboch. We will talk to about