WEBVTT - Copernicus

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class from how

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<v Speaker 1>Stuff Works dot Com. Hello, and welcome to the podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Holly Fry and I'm Tracy B. Wilson. Tracy, I

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<v Speaker 1>had an interesting discussion with one of our colleagues recently

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<v Speaker 1>where I mentioned this person that we're covering today, and

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<v Speaker 1>so no, I'm thinking about doing that, but I'm worried

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<v Speaker 1>it will be one of those things that everybody grows

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<v Speaker 1>and says, I know that, huh, And she said astronomer

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<v Speaker 1>and I said, Okay, we need to do that episode

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<v Speaker 1>because it is one of those things that Copernicus has

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<v Speaker 1>name recognition. Some people even know some of the basics

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<v Speaker 1>of his work, like his big claim to fame historically

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<v Speaker 1>is that he placed the Sun more or less at

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<v Speaker 1>the center of the Solar system and at the center

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<v Speaker 1>of the universe in astronomical modeling. But for the record, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>we should point out that he was not the first

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<v Speaker 1>person to think of that. That was going on as

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<v Speaker 1>far back as the third century BC went as Starkus

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<v Speaker 1>of Samos, who was an ancient Greek mathematician and astronomer,

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<v Speaker 1>made the same assertion. But while Aristarchus is writing on

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<v Speaker 1>the sizes and distances of the Sun and moon survived

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<v Speaker 1>the perils of time. His work on a heliocentric model

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<v Speaker 1>of the solar system did not. So we only know

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<v Speaker 1>about that part of of his work because Plutarch referenced

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<v Speaker 1>it in his writing. So that's why Copernicus gets a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of the attention in this arena, because we have

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<v Speaker 1>his writings. Uh. And we're going to talk today about

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<v Speaker 1>Copernicus and his life and his work, how his science

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<v Speaker 1>was in some ways very dangerous, and there are also

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<v Speaker 1>probably some surprising aspects of his life because it was

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<v Speaker 1>really a lot more varied than just astronomy. So the

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<v Speaker 1>man we eventually came to know as Kapernicus was born

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<v Speaker 1>Mikolai Kopernik Uh. He was named after his father and

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<v Speaker 1>was born in Taurun, Poland, on February fourteen, seventy three.

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<v Speaker 1>As we said, he was named after his father. His

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<v Speaker 1>mother's name was Barbara Watson Road. He was their fourth

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<v Speaker 1>child wild and the family was quite comfortable. Their family

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<v Speaker 1>business wasn't competrating. Yeah, they did quite well. But when

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm gonna go ahead and switch to the more

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<v Speaker 1>standard pronunciation of his name, Nicolaus Copernicus. It will get

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<v Speaker 1>to when he changed that in just a moment, But

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<v Speaker 1>when he was still a young boy. In fourteen eight three,

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<v Speaker 1>his father died and his maternal uncle, Lucas vatsen Rode,

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<v Speaker 1>who would eventually become Bishop of Varmia, took over the

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<v Speaker 1>role of patriarch. And this was a really significant turn

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<v Speaker 1>of events for Copernicus. Obviously, the loss of a parent

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<v Speaker 1>is immense, but it was also important because his uncle

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<v Speaker 1>really prized education and made it one of his goals

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<v Speaker 1>that Nicolas would be well educated. And he was also

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<v Speaker 1>very well respected in the church, and he would use

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<v Speaker 1>his position to ensure that Copernicus had a stable career.

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<v Speaker 1>At the age of eighteen, Copernicus went to the University

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<v Speaker 1>of Krakau, but even though he would become a famous

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<v Speaker 1>historical figure in astronomy, his studies also included mathematics and painting.

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<v Speaker 1>This was also the period where he made the switch

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<v Speaker 1>to using the Latin version of his name that we're

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<v Speaker 1>more familiar with. As Latin was the language of European

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<v Speaker 1>universities at the time, this was not an uncommon practice,

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<v Speaker 1>not as one might originally conclude, a mark of pretentiousness. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you'll see parttically a lot of scientists and astronomers like

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<v Speaker 1>they'll be listed by a name that sounds like their

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<v Speaker 1>Latin name, and then you'll see their their birth name,

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<v Speaker 1>which is you know, some as more European or or

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<v Speaker 1>whatnotum very very common. So, thanks to his uncle's connections

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<v Speaker 1>as well as his own education, Copernicus who got a

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<v Speaker 1>job at the Cathedral Chapter and from Bourg as a

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<v Speaker 1>canon in fo and the Cathedral Chapter was basically a

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<v Speaker 1>corporate entity that managed the various needs and duties and

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<v Speaker 1>finances associated with governing the diocese, and the clerics who

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<v Speaker 1>worked there served under the bishop in fulfilling that mission.

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<v Speaker 1>This was basically an ideal job for Copernicus that allowed

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<v Speaker 1>him to continue academic richment with no limitations, although he

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<v Speaker 1>had to astend to his duties as his primary focus,

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<v Speaker 1>but any free time he had he could devote to study,

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<v Speaker 1>and he was able to take leaves of absence to

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<v Speaker 1>focus exclusively on learning. Perhaps not surprisingly, he hung onto

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<v Speaker 1>this job for the rest of his life. Yeah. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know why, but when I was doing the research

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<v Speaker 1>for this, that seemed so sort of mind blowing to

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<v Speaker 1>me that can you imagine getting one job when you're eighteen,

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<v Speaker 1>and that being your job forever. Yeah, I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>my job has been my job forever, even though I

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<v Speaker 1>was thirty when I started. Yeah, but that is really

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<v Speaker 1>it speaks a lot to his uncle's influence and his

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<v Speaker 1>uncle's um ability to kind of set these things up

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<v Speaker 1>for him, that he was set for life because of

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<v Speaker 1>the work of his uncle. But before he moved into

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<v Speaker 1>that position, he spent two years in schooling. So in

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<v Speaker 1>four he went to the University of Bologna, where his

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<v Speaker 1>uncle had also gone, and he was there to study

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<v Speaker 1>religious law, and this made sense given his job, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>But this time at Bologna would also lead to a

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<v Speaker 1>really pivotal meeting in his life, because he met Italian

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<v Speaker 1>scientist and astronomer Domenico Maria Navara, who was a professor

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<v Speaker 1>at the university and who was also boarding Copernicus. Not

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<v Speaker 1>only did this form a close friendship, but it also

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<v Speaker 1>undoubtedly influenced Copernicus is thinking about astronomy. Malvara thought differently

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<v Speaker 1>than a lot of other astronomers at times, specifically about

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<v Speaker 1>the work of Claudius Ptolemy. Novara may have been the

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<v Speaker 1>first person Copernicus was exposed to who actually questioned Ptolemy's work,

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<v Speaker 1>Which isn't to say that no one else was doing it,

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<v Speaker 1>but there wasn't a lot of people doing it, and

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<v Speaker 1>they certainly weren't talking about it openly very often. It

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<v Speaker 1>was kind of a dangerous subject to bring up. Yeah. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And he also began learning Greek while he was at Bologna,

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<v Speaker 1>which would serve him later on when he began to

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<v Speaker 1>study the work of Ptolemy and other Greek astronomers, because

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of their work had not been trans lated

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<v Speaker 1>into Latin at that time. His ongoing Greek studies included

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<v Speaker 1>translating a collection of letters in Greek that were written

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<v Speaker 1>by author Aphilactus Semicada, and he would eventually publish his

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<v Speaker 1>translation after a decade of work on it, which was

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<v Speaker 1>his only other published work outside of his astronomy writing. Ever,

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<v Speaker 1>a curious learner, Copernicus also studied medicine for a time.

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<v Speaker 1>He attended the University of Padua beginning in fifteen o one,

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<v Speaker 1>but he couldn't finish his work there belief of absence

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<v Speaker 1>that he had taken to do it actually ended before

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<v Speaker 1>he could finish his studies, so he basically ran out

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<v Speaker 1>of time. Yeah, he actually didn't finish most of his

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<v Speaker 1>educational courses, like he never graduated from any of these schools,

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<v Speaker 1>but he got enough learning that he was still considered

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<v Speaker 1>pretty much uh adequate, if not expert, in most of

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<v Speaker 1>those fields. One of the points of note, however, was

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<v Speaker 1>that the study of the heavens was still part of

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<v Speaker 1>his curriculum while he was in medical school. Sort of. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>It was at that point its standard to include the

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<v Speaker 1>study of astrology in Italy's medical schools. This was in

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<v Speaker 1>the early sixteenth century, as medical astrology was at that

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<v Speaker 1>time believed to be a valuable diagnostic and treatment tool.

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<v Speaker 1>The idea there was that doctors could use their knowledge

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<v Speaker 1>of the patient's birthdate to make determinations about their constitution

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<v Speaker 1>and to determine courses of treatment based on celestial conditions

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<v Speaker 1>at any given time, and to predict how individual cases

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<v Speaker 1>and even larger scale issues like epidemics might behave based

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<v Speaker 1>on positions of heavenly bodies. So I imagine he did

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<v Speaker 1>very well in that course, considering that he probably already

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<v Speaker 1>understood how the cosmos is working better than most other students.

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<v Speaker 1>But I am just conjecturing there. Even as he tackled

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<v Speaker 1>new subjects such as medicine and astronomy. He continued to

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<v Speaker 1>study canon law and he attended the University of Ferrara

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<v Speaker 1>in fifteen o three to get his doctorate on the subject.

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<v Speaker 1>After this, he returns to Poland and lived with his uncle.

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<v Speaker 1>He was elderly at this point and required care, who

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<v Speaker 1>lived in the bishop's episcopal palace and served as his

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<v Speaker 1>uncle's physician while also busying himself with the work of

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<v Speaker 1>the church. And while his uncle may have thought that

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<v Speaker 1>he was grooming Copernicus to take over the position of bishop,

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<v Speaker 1>Copernicus chosen instead to leave the episcopal palace in because

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<v Speaker 1>the many jobs that were required of him there were

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<v Speaker 1>cutting too deeply into his astronomy studies, which were really

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<v Speaker 1>really kind of the focus of his heart. He stayed

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<v Speaker 1>at his residence that he moved to in the chapter

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<v Speaker 1>of Fromborg for the rest of his life. Those years

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<v Speaker 1>living in his uncle's court were formative in terms of

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<v Speaker 1>his understanding of the cosmos. He stayed there for seven years,

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<v Speaker 1>and throughout he was studying astronomy, although not enough for

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<v Speaker 1>his taste. He wanted more. The exact date that he

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<v Speaker 1>began working on his heliocentric theory is unknown, but there

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<v Speaker 1>have been some theories that his exit from his uncle's

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<v Speaker 1>home was concurrent with this idea. And we know that

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<v Speaker 1>at some point he came into contact with Epitome of

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<v Speaker 1>the Almagest, which was a book written by Reggio Montanas,

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<v Speaker 1>who was born Johannes Mueller von Koenigsberg. And that's another

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<v Speaker 1>case where we know him as Reggio Montana's because he

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<v Speaker 1>took his Latin name for a lot of his publishing

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<v Speaker 1>and his his formal training. Uh. Yeah, there are some

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<v Speaker 1>theories that he kind of got this idea in his

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<v Speaker 1>head about heliocentrism and was like, I gotta get out

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<v Speaker 1>of here. I gotta go work on my own stuff

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<v Speaker 1>on my own and I can't be focused on everybody

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<v Speaker 1>else's needs. Um, and that's what potentially catalyzed his his

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<v Speaker 1>desire to move out. Totally different interpretation was that he, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>he wanted to start studying a helio centric view of

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<v Speaker 1>the universe and his uncle threw him out. M M.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't know, and we'll talk a little bit about

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<v Speaker 1>why we don't know at the end of the podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, there's a there's some some some question marks

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<v Speaker 1>around sort of what really catalyzed that exit. And we

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<v Speaker 1>are going to take a little side trip because we

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<v Speaker 1>have to lay some groundwork and talk about Ptolemy and

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<v Speaker 1>the Almagest for con text. But first we are going

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<v Speaker 1>to pause and have a word from one of our

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<v Speaker 1>fantastic sponsors. So at this point, as I said before

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<v Speaker 1>the break, we're doing a little side trip. We're going

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about Ptolemy. So, working in Alexandria in the

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<v Speaker 1>second century, Ptolemy developed a model of the universe that's

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<v Speaker 1>called the geocentric or earth centric model. And the idea

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<v Speaker 1>of the Ptolemic system was that our planet Earth was

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<v Speaker 1>the center of the known universe, and that it was stationary,

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<v Speaker 1>and that the Sun, Moon, Stars, and other planets revolved

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<v Speaker 1>around it. Beginning from the Earth at the center. Ptolemy's

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<v Speaker 1>model placed the Moon in the tightest orbit around the planet,

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<v Speaker 1>and then Mercury, Venus, the Sun, Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn,

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<v Speaker 1>planets beyond that had not yet been identified, yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>then the stars were kind of out past that. And

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<v Speaker 1>Ptolemy felt that mathematics could unravel the mysteries of the

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<v Speaker 1>movements of the heavenly bodies so while his model was

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<v Speaker 1>not correct, he really did make some re the big

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<v Speaker 1>strides in terms of analyzing and measuring astronomical data and

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<v Speaker 1>how we should be doing it. And keep in mind

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<v Speaker 1>he was doing all of this work without the benefit

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<v Speaker 1>of a telescope. So over the course of about twenty

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<v Speaker 1>five years, Ptolemy made astronomical observations and compiled data, which

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<v Speaker 1>culminated in the writing of his book known as The

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<v Speaker 1>Almagist circa one fifty uh C. Having studied astronomy, I

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<v Speaker 1>want to note that the math and the explanation you

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<v Speaker 1>have to come up with to make the movements of

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<v Speaker 1>the planet you can see match this theory is freely

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<v Speaker 1>convoluted and complicated, like just it's absurd, which is what

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<v Speaker 1>really drove a lot of astronomers after him to be like, wait, wait,

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<v Speaker 1>something's messed up here. We're having to do a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of weirdness to make this model work. Uh, it's bizarre. Um. So,

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<v Speaker 1>while there had been some questions and criticism raised about

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<v Speaker 1>the accuracy of Ptolemy's observational claims over the centuries, he's

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<v Speaker 1>really continued to be lauded throughout history as a math

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<v Speaker 1>master mathematician because as I said, the maths required to

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<v Speaker 1>explain his planetary model is complicated. Yeah, it makes me

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<v Speaker 1>wonder if math wasn't so sort of natural to him

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<v Speaker 1>that he was like, oh, we can figure this out.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's kind of like if you ever recall doing

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<v Speaker 1>proofs in geometry and school, there was all that always

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<v Speaker 1>that kid sometimes me that was not smart. But like

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<v Speaker 1>I did the proof the long, weird way, and to

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<v Speaker 1>me that made more sense than often the shorter way,

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<v Speaker 1>because it's like, no, no, that doesn't. I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>his was kind of like that, like no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll just work this out. We'll add in some more

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<v Speaker 1>numbers over here and it'll all be fine. But there

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<v Speaker 1>was a more elegant way, and that's what people were

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<v Speaker 1>intuiting and what drove them to do their work. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And we have to mention the fact that it wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>as though these concepts of celestial arrangement were happening in

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<v Speaker 1>big bursts, as one astronomer or another would pick up

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<v Speaker 1>the idea and advance things like we have the big

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<v Speaker 1>names of astronomy we'll talk about like Ptolemy and Copernicus

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<v Speaker 1>and Galileo will come up. It's not as though like

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<v Speaker 1>nothing is going on in between the work of any

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<v Speaker 1>of these men. They're always entire societies happening. And before

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<v Speaker 1>Ptolemy there had been Aristotle who really established the principles

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<v Speaker 1>by which classical astronomy was observed, and there were other

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<v Speaker 1>Greek astronomers working during the time of Ptolemy. And while

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<v Speaker 1>Europe was going through its Middle Ages period, astronomy was

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<v Speaker 1>continuing to be studied and advanced in the Islamic world.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's always been on the table for scientists and mathematicians,

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<v Speaker 1>but we tend to kind of group it in these

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<v Speaker 1>big moments associated with certain people. Yeah. Well, and they're

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<v Speaker 1>also uh astronomical schools of thought in other parts of

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<v Speaker 1>the world too. But what we're talking, yeah, we're What

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<v Speaker 1>we're really talking about are the things that uh, that

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<v Speaker 1>these these particular scholars would have known about and had

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<v Speaker 1>access to Readio Montanas was a fifteenth century astronomer who

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<v Speaker 1>had been tasked with writing an abridged version of Ptolemy's Almagists,

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<v Speaker 1>But in his work on that prod deck, he recognized

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<v Speaker 1>inconsistencies in it, and he proposed alternative models to Mercury's

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<v Speaker 1>and Venus's orbits than those that Ptolemy had described. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>as we were saying, he kind of went, this seems

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<v Speaker 1>like something's not right. There's a lot of math we

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<v Speaker 1>got to do to make this work. There's a whole

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<v Speaker 1>thing of like little epicycles within the orbits. It's very

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<v Speaker 1>co it's it is, it's very complicated. And so we

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<v Speaker 1>had talked before we went into that sidebar about Kapernicus

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<v Speaker 1>coming in contact with Reggio Montanus's work, and that work

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<v Speaker 1>shaped the way Kapernicus thought about astronomy, and it may

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<v Speaker 1>have been the key to the formation of his heliocentric

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<v Speaker 1>model of the Solar system. It's pretty widely believed that

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<v Speaker 1>sometime by fifteen o eight this approach to modeling the

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<v Speaker 1>Solar system was under development by Kapernicus. So, as we said,

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<v Speaker 1>he left his uncle's at so somewhere in those two years,

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<v Speaker 1>it does seem like he was really starting to feel

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<v Speaker 1>like he was onto something. And even as he worked,

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<v Speaker 1>he had to have known that this work, which was

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<v Speaker 1>a departure from Ptolemy, was radical in nature. Not only

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<v Speaker 1>was Ptolemy's view of the heavens a longstanding accepted scientific fact,

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<v Speaker 1>it was also what was endorsed by the Roman Catholic Church,

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<v Speaker 1>the very same church that employed Copernicus and for which

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<v Speaker 1>his uncle was a prominent bishop. Yeah, that seems like

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<v Speaker 1>awkwards um. And that employment, though, did continue to make

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<v Speaker 1>demands on his time. So even while he was working

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<v Speaker 1>all of that astronomy out, he was still serving as canon,

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<v Speaker 1>seeing to both the political and administrative and financial issues

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<v Speaker 1>for the church. And he even wrote an essay. This

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<v Speaker 1>is one of those factoids about him that I think

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<v Speaker 1>goes unnoticed a lot. He wrote this essay on the

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<v Speaker 1>debasement of currency as it related to coinage, which was

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<v Speaker 1>a problem that he constantly ran into while managing funds

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<v Speaker 1>as part of his job. And that work that he

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<v Speaker 1>wrote was later referenced by leaders in Poland and Prussia

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<v Speaker 1>as both of those countries world with their currencies destabilization.

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<v Speaker 1>In fifteen twelve, his uncle, the bishop died, and the

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<v Speaker 1>following year Copernicus, still devoted to learning more, built himself

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<v Speaker 1>an observatory. Yeah, that was completed in fifteen thirteen, and

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<v Speaker 1>then the following year he completed writing commentariolists, which translates

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<v Speaker 1>to small commentary. And this was not a lengthy tomb

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<v Speaker 1>It clocked in at just forty pages, but it gave

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<v Speaker 1>a description of what Copernicus believed to be a more

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<v Speaker 1>accurate model of the universe than what had come before it,

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<v Speaker 1>and he described that in seven axioms. The first was

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<v Speaker 1>that there is no one fixed point that is the

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<v Speaker 1>center of the universe. The second, which is pretty groundbreaking,

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<v Speaker 1>was that the Earth is not the center of the universe.

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<v Speaker 1>The third is that the Sun is near the center

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<v Speaker 1>of the universe. The fourth is that the distance from

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<v Speaker 1>the Earth to the Sun is imperceptible compared with the

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<v Speaker 1>distance to the stars, and that the universe was far

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<v Speaker 1>more vast than they had ever conceived of before. The

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<v Speaker 1>fifth was that the rotation of the Earth is what

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<v Speaker 1>accounts for the apparent daily rotation of the stars. Sixth

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<v Speaker 1>was that the apparent annual cycle of movements of the

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<v Speaker 1>Sun is in fact caused by the Earth revolving around it.

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<v Speaker 1>And the seventh is that the apparent retrograde moved motion

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<v Speaker 1>of the planets, so when you're looking at the stars

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<v Speaker 1>from the Earth it seems like they are moving backwards

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<v Speaker 1>rather than forwards, is caused by the motion of the

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<v Speaker 1>Earth from which one is observing, So In addition to

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<v Speaker 1>those seven axioms, the Commentariola's hinted that Copernicus was also

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<v Speaker 1>going to publish his supporting mathematical formulas for them. He

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<v Speaker 1>also indicated that illustrating planetary motion required no more than

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<v Speaker 1>thirty four circles, which is a much smaller amount. Astracy

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<v Speaker 1>was referencing earlier than what had come before. He wrote

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<v Speaker 1>in the short manuscript his reason for breaking with the

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<v Speaker 1>accepted Ptolemaic model quote. Yet, the widespread planetary theories advanced

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<v Speaker 1>by Ptolemy and most their astronomers, although consistent with the

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<v Speaker 1>numerical data, seemed likewise to present no small difficulty. For

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<v Speaker 1>these theories were not adequate unless they also conceived certain

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<v Speaker 1>equalizing circles which made the planet appear to move at

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<v Speaker 1>all times with uniform velocity, neither on its defferent sphere

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<v Speaker 1>nor about its own epicycles center. Therefore, having become aware

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<v Speaker 1>of these defects, I often considered whether there could perhaps

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<v Speaker 1>be found a more reasonable arrangement of circles from which

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<v Speaker 1>every apparent irregularity would be derived, while everything in itself

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<v Speaker 1>would move uniformly as is required by the rule of

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<v Speaker 1>perfect motion. And this manuscript was circulated by the astronomer

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<v Speaker 1>to his colleagues as a sort of precursor to a

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<v Speaker 1>larger work than he expected to produce, and at the

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<v Speaker 1>time he didn't really get much in the way of

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<v Speaker 1>direct response. He didn't get a whole lot of feedback,

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<v Speaker 1>but there was certainly talk about him, if not to

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<v Speaker 1>him and his work, and the gossip was not particularly good.

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<v Speaker 1>His work was seen in the kindest terms as unconventional,

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<v Speaker 1>but mostly because it challenged such deeply held beliefs. It

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<v Speaker 1>was also considered flat out wrong, and one of the

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<v Speaker 1>criticisms that was leveled at his work and his writing

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<v Speaker 1>was that it really didn't provide an explanation for the

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<v Speaker 1>switch to the Earth to be orbiting around the Sun

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<v Speaker 1>when they all knew in their hearts that the Sun

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<v Speaker 1>orbited the Earth. He continued to work on astronomy for

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<v Speaker 1>the rest of his life, but again it wasn't his

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<v Speaker 1>only focus. After having served as his uncle's attending physician,

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<v Speaker 1>he continued that role for members of the chapter and

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<v Speaker 1>prominent members of the community, and when West Prussia went

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<v Speaker 1>to war against the Teutonic Knights in fifteen twenty, he

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<v Speaker 1>served in a leadership role it's basically a busy guy. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he um. He had his hand in many pies, so

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<v Speaker 1>to speak. And in fifteen thirty nine, Austrian astronomer and

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<v Speaker 1>mathematician George Joachi Rheticus visited Copernicus to study a nder him.

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<v Speaker 1>He was, if I remember correctly, he was kind of

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<v Speaker 1>touring and visiting a number of different scholars. And while

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<v Speaker 1>he did learn from Copernicus, Rheticus actually had some pretty

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<v Speaker 1>important things to teach Copernicus as well, in particular that

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<v Speaker 1>there had been great advancements in printing achieved in Germany,

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<v Speaker 1>and he showcased that by bringing mathematical texts with him

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<v Speaker 1>that were really really high quality. And Reheticus is credited

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<v Speaker 1>with convincing Copernicus that he should in fact publish his

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<v Speaker 1>life's work that he had been writing all of these years,

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<v Speaker 1>and he eventually supervised getting that book into print. We'll

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<v Speaker 1>talk about the last few years of copernicus Is life

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<v Speaker 1>and the publication of his life's work after we take

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<v Speaker 1>one more quick sponsor break. So, the book on the

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<v Speaker 1>Revolution of the Heavenly Spheares had been more or less

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<v Speaker 1>completed when Reheticus arrived for his visit to Copernicus in

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen thirty nine. It had in fact been complete for

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<v Speaker 1>quite some time. And while the issue of acceptance among

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<v Speaker 1>scholars in society is often cited as the reason for

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<v Speaker 1>hesitation to publish it, on Copernicus part moreover, he really

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't convinced that his work was complete. Rheticus wrote an

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<v Speaker 1>introductory document titled Naratio prima, in which he described the

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<v Speaker 1>contents of On the Revolutions, which published in fifteen forty

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<v Speaker 1>This document both uh pre preluded and praised the research

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<v Speaker 1>Copernicus had done, and further encouraged him to publish. On

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<v Speaker 1>the Revolutions finally did go to print in fifteen forty three,

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<v Speaker 1>and Copernicus dedicated the six volume work to Pope Paul

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<v Speaker 1>the Third. There's debate over whether he did that just

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<v Speaker 1>as sort of a political move to try to curry

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<v Speaker 1>favor with the Church, knowing that he was saying some

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<v Speaker 1>things that the Church wasn't gonna like or not. But

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<v Speaker 1>before the printing was completed, Redicus, who was, as we said,

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<v Speaker 1>overseeing all of it, was appointed to a new position,

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<v Speaker 1>and that was professor of mathematics at the University of Leipzig.

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<v Speaker 1>And he had to leave. He couldn't finish the whole thing,

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<v Speaker 1>and he the remainder of the project in what he

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<v Speaker 1>thought were very safe hands. Those hands belonged to Andreas Osiander.

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<v Speaker 1>Andreas Osiander was a mathematician and an astronomer. He was

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<v Speaker 1>also a minister and a follower of Martin Luther, who

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<v Speaker 1>thought heliocentrism was heretical. So Osiander took advantage of the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that Copernicus was quite ill at the time and

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<v Speaker 1>that he was in charge of the book, and he

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<v Speaker 1>wrote an addition to the book's preface. This addition said quote,

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<v Speaker 1>since he, meaning the astronomer, cannot in any way attain

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<v Speaker 1>to the true causes, he will adopt whatever suppositions enable

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<v Speaker 1>the motions to be computed correctly from the principles of

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<v Speaker 1>geometry for the future as well as for the past.

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<v Speaker 1>These hypotheses need not be true nor even probable. This

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<v Speaker 1>is one of those things that makes me really mad.

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<v Speaker 1>Because this additional text was added to the preface, readers

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<v Speaker 1>presumed that Copernicus himself had written it, and it actually

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<v Speaker 1>undermined all of the work that had gone into the book.

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<v Speaker 1>It was basically saying, well, I was just playing with

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<v Speaker 1>theory and fussing with things to try to make the mathwork.

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<v Speaker 1>It was basically denouncing all that he had done. And

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<v Speaker 1>it was actually decades before this deception of that preface

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<v Speaker 1>was uncovered by Johannes Kepler. In the spring of fifte

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<v Speaker 1>Copernicus had a stroke and he was, as we just mentioned,

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<v Speaker 1>still ailing. When the book was published, Redicus brought a

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<v Speaker 1>copy to his deathbed, and when Copernicus died ont three,

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<v Speaker 1>he was allegedly holding a volume of the book in

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<v Speaker 1>his arms. We're actually coming up on the four seventy

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<v Speaker 1>four anniversary of his death in terms of when we

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<v Speaker 1>recorded this episode today. Yeah, and so for the next

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<v Speaker 1>five decades on, the revolution circulated throughout Europe, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>one of those things where Copernicus probably thought it was

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<v Speaker 1>gonna cause some problems, but he probably did not see

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<v Speaker 1>how big that problem was going to be in terms

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<v Speaker 1>of of really starting some battles. It did, however, have

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<v Speaker 1>a second printing in fifteen sixty six, and astronomers, of

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<v Speaker 1>course and aalized and debated the merits of the solutions

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<v Speaker 1>Copernicus had presented to reconcile his issues with the work

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<v Speaker 1>of Ptolemy. While Martin Luther had openly denounced the work.

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<v Speaker 1>The Roman Catholic Church had never made an official statement.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't know what Pope Paul the Third thought of

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<v Speaker 1>the astronomy book that was dedicated to him, even though

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<v Speaker 1>he even though that dedication was probably done to curry

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<v Speaker 1>favor and to try to soften the church's reaction. Allegedly,

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<v Speaker 1>one of the Pope's advisors, Potolomeo Spina, was planning to

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<v Speaker 1>condemn heliocentrism and the work Copernicus had done, but he

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<v Speaker 1>died before he got a chance to do that. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>there was no official statement. So while there had been

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<v Speaker 1>much fewer and criticism since the fifteen forties that the

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<v Speaker 1>book contradicted scripture, it actually wasn't until sixteen sixteen that

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<v Speaker 1>the Roman Catholic Church placed on the Revolutions of the

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<v Speaker 1>Heavenly Spheres on the index of Forbidden books. Although it corrected,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's in air quotes version was made available to scholars,

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<v Speaker 1>it actually stayed on that index until seventeen fifty eight,

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<v Speaker 1>and that was about sixty years after much of copernicus

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<v Speaker 1>model had become widely accepted by astronomers and scientists. After

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<v Speaker 1>revisions by his successors in the field. Of course, while

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<v Speaker 1>copernicus is work advanced human kinds of knowledge of the cosmos,

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<v Speaker 1>that still had some significant laws. For example, we know

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<v Speaker 1>that our star, the Sun, is not the center of

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<v Speaker 1>the universe, nor is it near the center of the universe.

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<v Speaker 1>And while both Ptolemy and Copernicus developed celestial models that

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<v Speaker 1>feature circular planetary orbits, they are now known to be elliptical,

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<v Speaker 1>which means you don't need these weird circular orbits with

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<v Speaker 1>smaller circular epicycles in them to explain how the planets move. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and in many ways, what's really interesting is that Copernicus

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<v Speaker 1>does remain a mystery, even though he's been written about

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<v Speaker 1>and studied a lot. But most of what's been studied

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<v Speaker 1>is his work. We mentioned earlier in the episode that

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<v Speaker 1>there's no known date as to when he began working

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<v Speaker 1>on his heliocentric theory, and that is because no existing

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<v Speaker 1>notes or records of his astronomical work other than those

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<v Speaker 1>actual manuscripts, has survived. So even writings of his student

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<v Speaker 1>and friend Redicus detailing copernicus life have been lost. So

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<v Speaker 1>most of our knowledge is the result of a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of painstaking research on the part of historians who have

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<v Speaker 1>assembled this puzzle of his life by studying the various

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<v Speaker 1>elements of it and of his friends and his friends

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<v Speaker 1>letters over time. So that's a big shout out to

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<v Speaker 1>historians solving the mysteries of the past. That's Copernicus. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it was. It was a step in the right direction

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<v Speaker 1>in terms of understanding how solar system works. Yeah, but

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<v Speaker 1>not the final step obviously, No. I mean we could

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<v Speaker 1>still discover new things. I'm excited all the time about

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<v Speaker 1>new discoveries in uh in astronomy. I don't think it's

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<v Speaker 1>any secret at this point to anyone who's listening to

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<v Speaker 1>the show that I like astronomy a lot. Yeah. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't have listener mail per se, although the things I'm

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<v Speaker 1>talking about came to us in the mail. But since

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<v Speaker 1>we're talking a lot about books today, I thought it

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<v Speaker 1>would be cool to mention a couple of authors who

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<v Speaker 1>have sent us their work that is really unique and interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>One is first a book of fiction I have not

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<v Speaker 1>read it yet by writer Brie Spangler called Beast, and

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<v Speaker 1>she sent it to us because and she even highlighted

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<v Speaker 1>the pages. Uh. One of her characters listens to stuff

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<v Speaker 1>you missed in history class. I think, I think the

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<v Speaker 1>most charming things. You sent us an email about it before,

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<v Speaker 1>and someone who is a fan of those books also

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<v Speaker 1>tipped us off to that fact at one point. I

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<v Speaker 1>think it was like, I think it was a fan

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<v Speaker 1>of that book and not that seems like it would

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<v Speaker 1>be weird if there was some other book where someone

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<v Speaker 1>also listens to our show. We definitely got an email

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<v Speaker 1>that was from our reader that was like, Hey, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>reading these books and this character in the books listens

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<v Speaker 1>to your show. Yeah. It's so sweet and so charming,

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<v Speaker 1>and what a great honor. Um. And it actually mentions

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<v Speaker 1>the the Diatlo Past Incident podcast so episode that we did.

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<v Speaker 1>So that was super lovely and Bree wrote us a

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<v Speaker 1>lovely um note in the front of the book and

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<v Speaker 1>it's gorgeous and I can't wait to read it. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>So thank you so much. What again, what a tremendous honor.

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<v Speaker 1>The other one is uh was sent to us by

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<v Speaker 1>Ronald Wimberley, who is an artist and a writer, and

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<v Speaker 1>it is a really really cool book that was published

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<v Speaker 1>by Image Comics. But it's an actual bookbook, not the

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<v Speaker 1>comics aren't book books. But you know what I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like a different style. It's not a comic book,

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<v Speaker 1>although it is illustrated, and it is black history and

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<v Speaker 1>its own words, and it's his really really striking visual

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<v Speaker 1>style alongside quotes prominent people throughout history talking about black history,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's kind of in this these um these very

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<v Speaker 1>short brief little intros with the quotes and the art

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<v Speaker 1>and it's really really lovely. Um So, everyone from Audrey

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<v Speaker 1>Lord to Lavern Coxes in here and it's absolutely gorgeous,

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<v Speaker 1>and thank you, thank you, thank you, because what a

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<v Speaker 1>gorgeous work. I hope he's tremendously proud of this. It's

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<v Speaker 1>amazing as well as brief should be. I'm authors are

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<v Speaker 1>always uh of great uh what's the word I'm looking for.

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<v Speaker 1>I always greatly admire authors because that's that's a whole

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<v Speaker 1>job that involves a lot of sitting down and being

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<v Speaker 1>focused and really sort of a birthing process of thought,

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<v Speaker 1>which I love. So thank you so much to both

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