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Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George

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Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe, Jetty arm Strong

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Speaker 2: The President has said that in terms of territories and stuff,

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Speaker 2: these are things that Zelenski's gonna have to decide on.

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Speaker 2: But people that are out there talking what they don't know,

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Speaker 2: with all these stupid leaks and things of that nature,

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Speaker 2: they all want to just sound important.

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Speaker 1: They don't know what they're talking about.

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Speaker 3: So that was Marco Rubio, Secretary of State and the

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Speaker 3: National Security Advisor both. He was on a whole bunch

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Speaker 3: of talk shows yesterday, and his main themes were, this

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Speaker 3: is the very beginning. It's like the opening drive of

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Speaker 3: a golf tournament, and you know, we'll go from here.

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Speaker 3: You can't come to any conclusions, and then you don't

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Speaker 3: have any idea.

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Speaker 1: What you talking about.

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Speaker 3: You don't know what we discussed, You don't know what

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Speaker 3: we're discussing, what our plans are.

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Speaker 1: A lot of the leaks are wrong. That was his

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Speaker 1: narrative all day long, right, and it's difficult to argue

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Speaker 1: with that. As it is. I think a lot of

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Speaker 1: us and I include us in that because of the

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Speaker 1: enormous stakes here, not just the human you know, lives

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Speaker 1: in Ukraine and the children being blown apart and making

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Speaker 1: it safe for dictators to gobble up land by force

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Speaker 1: in the twenty first century. Blah blah blah. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's there's a lot here. So we're very anxious to

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Speaker 1: read tea leaves and want things to go quote unquote

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Speaker 1: our way, whichever way that is. But often, in fairness,

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Speaker 1: there are ups and downs and ins and outs, and

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Speaker 1: a lot of it we're not aware of. That's all true.

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Speaker 1: But if Trump had said anything one thing on the

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Speaker 3: Hey, you're the evil SOB who started this and you're

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Speaker 3: killing civilians, I mean, anything even close to that, yes,

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Speaker 1: Would be easier to believe that it wasn't capitulation. He signed,

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Speaker 1: He shows every sign of capitulating to putin having been bullied.

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Speaker 1: He's back down, shows every sign of that. Is that true?

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know either. I hope that's

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Speaker 3: It's like, uh, I'm gonna take every effort here to

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Speaker 3: make this is like non uh damaging's wrong word, but uh,

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I think I know what you mean. You're just you're

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Speaker 1: not gonna do anything that puts his guard up. You're

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Speaker 1: gonna say, oh, that's great, interesting, right, great proposal. Wow,

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Speaker 1: Well think about that. Well, we're gonna play some more clips.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if they include any of these include this,

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Speaker 3: But Marco kept saying that, kept saying, what about the sanctions?

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Speaker 1: What about it? This way? He said, the moment we

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Speaker 3: The negotiations are over, the moment we hit them hard

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Speaker 3: with something, there's still time to do that. But if

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Speaker 3: we do that right up front, then we can't get anywhere.

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Speaker 1: So that that's his argument. I want to I do

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Speaker 3: NBC is reporting that Trump did discuss a NATO like

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Speaker 3: security guarantee for Ukraine with Zelensky and European leaders over

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Speaker 3: the weekend and that that will be some of the

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Speaker 3: we got your back, that would be a big deal.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. If I'm Zelensky, I'm like, will this be just

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Speaker 1: like the agreement back in the day that said, you'd

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Speaker 1: ensure our security if we give up our nuclear arms

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Speaker 1: just like that one. Wow. Cool, I would be saying, yeah,

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Speaker 1: how about you get some guys here, like actually stationed

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Speaker 3: Maybe talking about that today at the Oval Office with

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean you know this, well, how how long

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Speaker 4: these kind of diplomatic negotiations often President Trump was telling

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Speaker 4: European leaders. What was discussed was Putin demanding control of Dunesque,

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Speaker 2: The United States is not in a position to accept

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Speaker 2: President said, it's up to the Ukrainians to make these conditions. Now,

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Speaker 2: I don't think it's we're not going to negotiate this

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Speaker 2: what happened. But ultimately there are things that were discussed

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Speaker 2: as part of this meeting that are potentials for breakthroughs,

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Speaker 2: that are potentials for progress. We'll be discussing that more

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Speaker 1: That's either true or it's not right right. I hope

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Speaker 1: but there are times in life where you have to

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Speaker 1: fight till you can't fight anymore. That's why the boxer

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Speaker 1: that plays out. Well.

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Speaker 3: I didn't like the way Friday looked, But Marco Mark

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Speaker 3: what's her name? Margaret Brennan's question there? Did you just

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Speaker 3: give on everything? What are you basing that on? I mean,

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Speaker 1: Basing that on? She is an obnoxious horror. Uh. The

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Speaker 3: I hate to fall into the trap that everybody does

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Speaker 3: of playing the most spicy clip, even though it's not

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Speaker 3: the most important. But this questioning about why the European

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Speaker 4: President Trump told Fox News his advice to President Zelensky

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Speaker 4: they're not. You know, there is concern from the Europeans

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Speaker 2: Can you No, It isn't that's that's not true. But

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Speaker 2: that's not why why that's not true. They're not coming

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Speaker 2: here tomorrow to keep Zelensky from being bullied.

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Speaker 1: They're not very old. They're coming here tomorrow.

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Speaker 4: The television cameras where President Zalynsky.

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Speaker 2: You don't how many meetings you?

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Speaker 4: Oh, no, I know, And I was just up the

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Speaker 2: We've had more meetings we've had We've had We've had

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Speaker 2: So that but that's not true. They're not coming here tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: It keeps Zelensky from being bullied. They're coming here tomorrow

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Speaker 2: because we've been working with the Europeans. We talked to

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Speaker 1: As early as Thursday.

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Speaker 2: But you said that they're coming here tomorrow to keep

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Speaker 1: They're not coming here tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: This is such a stupid media narrative that they're coming

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Speaker 2: tomorrow because they chose to come here tomorrow. We invited

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Speaker 1: I think they're one hundred percent here to keep Zelensky

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Speaker 1: they're there to represent the European point of view. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Than ours is a nation. Yeah, it's not the only

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Speaker 1: Trump talks for like twice, Trump's ass to a large extent,

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Speaker 1: kissing Trump's asking, but how about that stuff from Putin

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Speaker 1: New York Times x FBI director James Comy makes bizarre

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Speaker 1: Right well, Minneapolis as such is that weird red green

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Speaker 1: alliance between like way left Marxists and Muslim fundamentalists mostly

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Speaker 1: from Somalia. The only thing they agree is they hate

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Speaker 1: America and want to tear it down. Sorry to do

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Speaker 1: it with the help of two lanky dressed as male

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Speaker 1: women or women. It's whatever.

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Speaker 3: So I drug sorry, I drug you into this, Katie

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Speaker 3: for some reason, I thought you were involved in this story.

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Speaker 1: Then all right, I'll get over it. Oh Katie, you

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Speaker 1: know what you need to hear. You're gonna find this

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Speaker 1: so sweet. So we're going to London next week, will

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Speaker 1: be off. Please forgive me. Judy and I we haven't

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Speaker 1: really done much for a long time, and so we're

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Speaker 1: doing a vacation in London, and we got to have

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Speaker 1: somebody take care of our dog. Well, our friend, I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna say, I'm gonna call him Don, our friend Don

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Speaker 1: who like loves dogs beyond loving dogs. When he was divorced,

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Speaker 1: he and his dog, it was just the two of

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Speaker 1: them living in rural Wyoming, okay, out in the middle

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Speaker 1: of nowhere. They were close. Well, he lost his beloved

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Speaker 1: dog a couple of months ago. He passed on, and

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Speaker 1: they volunteered to take care of Baxter for the week

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Speaker 1: we're gone. And so we brought Basie over to the

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Speaker 1: house and had dinner and stuff to introduce him and

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Speaker 1: show him around the house. And I'll oh my, they're

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Speaker 1: not going to give him back. Oh that's oh my god.

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Speaker 1: Did they bond And the two of them were like

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Speaker 1: fast friends and oh wow, my buddy, don he's just

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Speaker 1: oh he was so happy.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's more from a dog's perspective. When you come back,

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Speaker 3: Baxter's gonna say, you.

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Speaker 1: Guys, Oh you that like makes me do stuff and

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Speaker 1: you give me commands and stuff. I get nothing but

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Speaker 1: love here, nothing but love. I didn't realize how good

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Speaker 1: it could be, you fully telling me to sit and

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Speaker 1: wait to eat until you say it's okay, I'm staying here. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: probably so, but anyway, Oh it is so sweet. I

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Speaker 1: love that. Yeah, I know. Katie's a famous dog lover.

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Speaker 3: By the way, a couple of non Ukraine Russia related

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Speaker 3: news items for you, Mayor Adams of New York slams

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Speaker 3: Mumdani for wanting to decriminalize prostitution.

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Speaker 1: I don't know where in.

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Speaker 3: His Kuran it states that that's okay. Oh like that.

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Speaker 1: Well, see, that's the thing. The Marxists and the Islamists

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Speaker 1: is an unholy alliance pun intended well out of side

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Speaker 1: Mayor Adams finding a way to work in.

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Speaker 3: He wants prostitution to be illegal and takes a shot

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Speaker 3: at his being a Muslim at the same time.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's pretty clever. That's a lot of that.

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Speaker 1: That race is not over. That's exciting stuff. No, the

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Speaker 1: knives have just now come out from Mamdani really, uh

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Speaker 1: so totally different topic. Musk Altman and all the other

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Speaker 1: super heavyweights of AI are now getting together, well not

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Speaker 1: getting together exactly, but they're all talking about how universal

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Speaker 1: basic income is a really good idea and that when

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Speaker 1: AI unleashes just mountains of profit, but you know, inconveniently

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Speaker 1: renders millions of people unemployable, they are willing to share

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Speaker 1: the wealth and we will probably have a major universal

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Speaker 1: basic income system. I think you said this a week

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Speaker 1: or so ago. Well, how's the math work on that?

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Speaker 3: So these companies become incredibly productive they're not going to

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Speaker 3: voluntarily give this money over to the Guaranteed Income program,

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Speaker 3: so that government going to tax you if you use

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Speaker 3: a I at a different rate or no.

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Speaker 1: I think it's it's that these companies. Let me, let

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Speaker 1: me just read you this and see if that answer

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Speaker 1: your question, then I've got an answer. Well many of

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Speaker 1: well many people think of UBI, that's universal basic income

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Speaker 1: as a taxpayer funded system. Silicon Valley's elite envision AI

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Speaker 1: doing humans work from mundane factory jobs to highly skilled

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Speaker 1: white collar roles and funding payouts through cost savings and

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Speaker 1: more revenue. Tech leaders say that revenue can be shared

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Speaker 1: under a massive wealth redistribution system. Essentially, there are going

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Speaker 1: to be so few people running these companies making such

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Speaker 1: astounding mountain of money that they're willing to share a

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Speaker 1: significant chunk to keep the populace from going berserk because

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Speaker 1: you know, so many people are going to be out

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Speaker 1: of work. Okay, that's nice. Words. They're going to share

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Speaker 1: how much with who distributed how well the bare minimum

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Speaker 1: they can get away with through the filter of government,

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Speaker 1: which will enrich bureaucrats and fat cats and takers, not makers,

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Speaker 1: and the rest of us will get a pittance after

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Speaker 1: the oligarchs have taken their share.

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Speaker 3: Well like, and then do they hand out the money

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Speaker 3: to everyone? I mean, like, if I'm unemployed, I can say,

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Speaker 3: you know, I would have a job over there if

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Speaker 3: it weren't for AI give me a check whereas I'm working.

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Speaker 3: Me Jack Armstrong, I'm working. Why don't I I'm not

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Speaker 3: getting any of that because I already.

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Speaker 1: Have a job. So isn't that going to motivate people?

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't quit this job, But wouldn't that motivates some

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Speaker 3: people who have jobs they don't prictually like to quit.

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Speaker 1: Them and claim that I don't know that this is

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Speaker 1: how it's gonna come out, But you're forgetting the universal

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Speaker 1: part of universal basic income goes to everybody gets it,

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Speaker 1: everybody gets it flat fee.

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Speaker 3: I really don't see how this works. Altman said, isn't

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Speaker 3: that okay? There are so many questions I have here.

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Speaker 3: Maybe I'm just a dullard. But so if I'm all

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Speaker 3: of a sudden getting a big check from Universal income

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Speaker 3: that keeps my life going, doesn't my company then not

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Speaker 3: need to give me a raise or starts hiring people

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Speaker 3: at lower salaries because a chunk of it's picked up

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Speaker 3: by the government with the universal income.

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Speaker 1: I think the gainfully employed will be such a minority.

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Speaker 1: Folks like you will be an afterthought. Wow your scenario.

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Speaker 1: Yeah wow, so Altman, Old Sam Altman of Open AI

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Speaker 1: chat GPT fame. He was on THEO Vaughn's podcast. He

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Speaker 1: now thinks that instead of money, everyone could receive an

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Speaker 1: ownership share in whatever AI creates that would allow the

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Speaker 1: wealth accumulated by AI to he spread across the population,

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Speaker 1: calling the idea a universal extreme mode. You're talking about

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Speaker 1: a restructuring of society in a very short period of time,

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Speaker 1: the likes of which has never happened in the history

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Speaker 1: of the world. Correct. Yes, it's a brave new world.

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Speaker 1: He imagined a scenario in which every human is giving

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Speaker 1: a given a trillion tokens. Oh, there's more to hate here.

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Speaker 1: The basic unit of information that large language models use

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Speaker 1: each year. You can sell it or treat it as

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Speaker 1: personal wealth. Is an alternative to all wealth being consolidated

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Speaker 1: in the normal capitalistic system. He says, Okay, okay, this

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Speaker 1: is just this is too much, too fast. This is

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Speaker 1: never gonna happen. Uh yeah, Actually, there the labor there's

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Speaker 1: a labor economist in Mit called it frightening in a

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Speaker 1: political fantasy land. There's more to this discussion. We ought

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Speaker 1: to maybe bring it over to the next on the

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Speaker 1: other side of the break.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I would like to talk more about it. I

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Speaker 3: wonder if they're just not throwing out half brained ideas

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Speaker 3: because they got to have something to say, say to

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Speaker 3: push back against everybody's going to be out of work. Okay,

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Speaker 3: we got a lot on the way. While that is

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Speaker 3: really really interesting, stay tuned.

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Speaker 1: Got a horrible story.

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Speaker 3: Maybe we'll get to later about this little girl who

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Speaker 3: was using chat gpt.

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Speaker 1: Little girl shoes young using chat.

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Speaker 3: Gpt for therapy and ended up killing herself and now

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Speaker 3: mom's trying to sue somebody about therapy or something.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they've really got to work out that whole. It

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Speaker 1: encourages you and is supportive of you, even if you're

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Speaker 1: like delusional or terribly depressed. Hey, you're right, nobody does

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Speaker 1: like you. If you say you're worthless, I'm working. I'm

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Speaker 1: with you. You know, No, you got to tweak that.

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Speaker 1: Sam so Sam Altman of Open Ai, speaking of witches,

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Speaker 1: we were discussing. He's been making the rounds talking to

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Speaker 1: various folks about how AI is going to create just

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Speaker 1: ginormous amounts of wealth but also put scads of people

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Speaker 1: out of work. And so he's pushing something it's like

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Speaker 1: universal basic income, but he calls it universal extreme wealth,

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Speaker 1: that everybody will just get the outflow of wealth from

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Speaker 1: this technological marvel he and others are designing.

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Speaker 3: I like how blase they are about restructuring society in

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Speaker 3: ways nobody has ever done. In like six months from now,

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Speaker 3: I mean.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, turning us all into the idle rich and then

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Speaker 1: it'll just be grand and marve. Think about the rich

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Speaker 1: kids you know that have been on trust funds their

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Speaker 1: whole lives. They've all got wonderful lives. So happiness and

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Speaker 1: productivity right. Elon Musk touts universal high income, the concept

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Speaker 1: that AI will automate most production and the public can

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Speaker 1: share in the revenue. Mark Bennioff, CEO of Salesforce, says

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Speaker 1: up to half of the work at the company is

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Speaker 1: now done by AI. Oh my god. He is an

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Speaker 1: evangelist for universal basic income and said during the pandemic

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Speaker 1: that he sees COVID nineteen stimulus checks as a model

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Speaker 1: for broader income distribution. Oh wow. Mark do you even

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Speaker 1: read the news? But so you.

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Speaker 3: Emphasized the you and universal. I wasn't picturing that. So

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Speaker 3: we're all gonna get a.

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Speaker 1: Chunk of the money. Well then how about that? He

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Speaker 1: canna be welfare. It's just gonna float everybody. But we're fine.

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Speaker 3: But if you don't have a job that was affected

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Speaker 3: by AI, I'm assuming this is enough to live on,

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Speaker 3: is the point they're making. I mean, right, so if

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Speaker 3: you don't have a job affected by AI, why would

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Speaker 3: you keep working your job? Won't everybody quit?

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Speaker 1: Well, see, that's the thing. Benioff actually sees it as

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Speaker 1: more of a welfare program. He wrote that automation will

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Speaker 1: drive income inequality one of the most overused in stupid

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Speaker 1: terms anywhere, and necessitate supplemental income quote for those who

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Speaker 1: cannot be retrained and even those traditionally not compensated for

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Speaker 1: raising a family or volunteering to help others. In other words,

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Speaker 1: a massive amount of wealth will be available, and politicians

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Speaker 1: will decide who gets what. They will route it to

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Speaker 1: cronies and keep a fair amount for themselves. It will

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Speaker 1: just be you know, uncountable scads of money. Now there

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Speaker 1: are critics, not all of Silicon Valley is on board.

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Speaker 1: Here's David Autor, labor economist, and MIT said the hypothetical

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Speaker 1: society in which the majority of income has distributed from

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Speaker 1: a few sources is frightening in a political fantasy land.

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Speaker 1: AI leaders support universal income because quote, they think they're

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Speaker 1: gonna put everyone out of work and they don't have

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Speaker 1: a better idea for what to do about that.

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Speaker 3: He said, this, Yeah, this is a that's a This

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Speaker 3: whole thing you've described is completely unworkable.

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Speaker 1: In any realistic sense.

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Speaker 3: So I is anybody thinking about this?

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Speaker 1: Is Congress thinking about this? They should be if they're not. Interestingly,

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Speaker 1: venture capitalist Marc Andreesen is my man in this. Uh.

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Speaker 1: He says that man was meant to be useful, to

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Speaker 1: be p ductive, to be proud, And if AI transforms

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Speaker 1: every job, that's going to be a serious, serious challenge.

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Speaker 1: That's the big world's biggest understatement, serious challenge. Yeah, I'd

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Speaker 1: say maybe the end of mankind might be closer. All right.

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Speaker 3: If you miss a segment an hour, get the podcast

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