1 00:00:04,120 --> 00:00:06,680 Speaker 1: The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 2 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football clubs. Are you ready for 3 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:22,560 Speaker 1: a break? Yes? Are you ready for a break? Absolutely? 4 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:26,880 Speaker 1: Ready for a break? Yeah? And so much for that. 5 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:32,280 Speaker 1: It's time for The Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com 6 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:38,559 Speaker 1: with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton. 7 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:43,680 Speaker 1: It is Wednesay, October seventh, twenty twenty, season sixteen, episode 8 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:47,120 Speaker 1: number thirty nine. Welcome to an exciting edition of The Break. 9 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:49,639 Speaker 1: We're live from the s WBC Mortgage studios at the Star. 10 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 1: Got my crew with me, Dave, Amber and Nick, and 11 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 1: of course we're joined by Bucky Brooks of NFL Network, 12 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:57,320 Speaker 1: as we do every Wednesday and Thursday. Today, Bucky's gonna 13 00:00:57,320 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 1: break down the upcoming game Cowboys versus the Giants, and 14 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 1: today we're focusing in on the Giants offense versus the 15 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:08,640 Speaker 1: Dallas defense. Bucky, how you doing today? Man? I'm great. 16 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 1: How are you guys doing? Awesome? Awesome? I'm I'm gonna 17 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 1: start the verse with the question that we normally ask, 18 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 1: but at some point I got to ask you about 19 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 1: Jalen Smith because you had some comments a couple weeks 20 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:20,400 Speaker 1: ago that I think we got to go back and 21 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:21,960 Speaker 1: revisit a little bit. But before we get to that, 22 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:25,039 Speaker 1: let's start with give me the greatest asset and the 23 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:29,960 Speaker 1: greatest weakness of this Giants offense. Okay, we're gonna keep 24 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 1: it real about the New York Giants to New York 25 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 1: Giants offensively, don't have a lot of weapons. There's not 26 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 1: a lot of firepower. This should be a get right 27 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 1: game for the Dallas Cowboys. When you look at the Giants, 28 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:41,959 Speaker 1: Daniel Jones is where it starts. He is the starting quarterback. 29 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 1: He's three and thirteen since being the starting quarterback, twenty 30 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:49,080 Speaker 1: six touchdowns, twenty nine turnovers As a starter. This year, 31 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 1: he has the second lowest passer rating in the league. 32 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 1: The only person who is playing worse at the position 33 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 1: in him would be Carson Wentz based on those numbers. 34 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 1: Devanta Freeman is their running back. He has forty three 35 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 1: yards since stepping in for sae Quon Barkley. Darius Slayton 36 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:09,359 Speaker 1: would be considered their number one receiver. He's an explosive athlete, 37 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 1: a big time playmaker. Has their only receiving touchdown, and 38 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 1: the other weapon that they have is Evan Ingram. You 39 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 1: hear people talk about Golden Tate, but Golden Tate is 40 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 1: just a guy at this stage of his career, and 41 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 1: the offensive line has really really struggled. They have been 42 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:27,359 Speaker 1: pressured at a rate that only ranks with Dallas Cowboys 43 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 1: in terms of the amount of pressure that they have 44 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 1: allowed on the quarterback in the league. And so if 45 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys get right in play to their potential, 46 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:37,920 Speaker 1: this should be a game for their defense to regain 47 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 1: their confidence and really use it as a building block 48 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 1: to start to perform better. Well, Bucky, you just basically 49 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:47,200 Speaker 1: answer my question right there at the end. I was 50 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 1: going to ask you between when you have one of 51 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 1: the worst offense in the league versus one of the 52 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 1: worst defense in the league, which side of the balls 53 00:02:57,240 --> 00:03:01,120 Speaker 1: should usually win. The one thing that is kind of 54 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:02,840 Speaker 1: the X fact, and I will say this, I think 55 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:05,359 Speaker 1: Jason Garrett is certainly familiar with some of the personnel 56 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 1: on defense, so maybe that gives him an advantage in 57 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:10,680 Speaker 1: game planning and play calling, just kind of understanding some 58 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 1: of the strength and weaknesses of the personnel. That's it. 59 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 1: This should be a game where if it comes down 60 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 1: to which who has the better players offensively for the 61 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 1: Giants and defensive for the Cowboys. That advantage should go 62 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:25,239 Speaker 1: to the Cowboys. Now, it's about putting the Cowboys defenders 63 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 1: in a position where they can go and make plays 64 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 1: and dominate this game. And so it'll be interesting to 65 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 1: see how Mike Nolan approaches this because this should be 66 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:36,760 Speaker 1: an opportunity for the Cowboys to going to run facing 67 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 1: an NFC East opponent. How does he attempt to kind 68 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 1: of get them going, because you would like to use 69 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 1: this game as a game that propels them to start 70 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 1: to play better and make incremental improvements as a defense. 71 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 1: I was gonna I was trying to write a story 72 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 1: this week about a familiar face coming to AG and 73 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 1: T Stadium, But that's not really the case with Jason 74 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:00,200 Speaker 1: Garrett because you don't ever see that their faces anymore. 75 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 1: I mean, like, but he's gonna be here and he's 76 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 1: gonna be the offensive coordinator he lost Sequon Barkley. Is 77 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 1: it hard to evaluate what he's doing on an offense 78 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 1: because he took that job probably thinking he's got one 79 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:17,400 Speaker 1: of the most dynamic players in the NFL. I think 80 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:20,360 Speaker 1: with Jason Garrett, the thing that sometimes gots struggle with 81 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:22,039 Speaker 1: when you go from being the head coach back to 82 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:24,480 Speaker 1: the offensive coordinator. And it's been such a long time 83 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:28,359 Speaker 1: since he's been the coordinator, his offense hasn't necessarily involved 84 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 1: to the twenty twenties and generic offense. It's very not 85 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:38,279 Speaker 1: a lot of motion, not a lot of tricks, not 86 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:40,479 Speaker 1: a lot of gadgets. We won't see all of the 87 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 1: things that the La Rams presented as problems with the 88 00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 1: motion and doing those things. And so it is a 89 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:50,280 Speaker 1: pretty line up and go offense. And so this is 90 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 1: when we talk about this being a game where the 91 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 1: Cowboys defense can get right. It really is that because 92 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:58,360 Speaker 1: there's not a lot of trickery and stuff that's going on. 93 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 1: It's kind of a lined up with ball out there, 94 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:03,360 Speaker 1: let's go play. And so for a team, a defense 95 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:06,039 Speaker 1: that has been struggling, this is exactly what you want. 96 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 1: You want to see someone who's going to play a 97 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 1: pretty vanilla Let's talk draft Bucky because it feels like 98 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 1: ancient history at this point. But the Giants had the pickup. 99 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 1: You know, we all knew they were going to pick 100 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 1: an offensive tackle. They had the pick of all the 101 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 1: ones they wanted, and you know it seems like McKay 102 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:27,240 Speaker 1: beck Then and Tristan Worth's and Jedrick Wills are all 103 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:31,240 Speaker 1: having really great rookie seasons. What does Andrew Thomas look like? 104 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:33,880 Speaker 1: And is it early to think that maybe the Giants 105 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:36,599 Speaker 1: picked the wrong guy. I mean it's the earliest four 106 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:38,480 Speaker 1: games into it. He didn't have a full compliment of 107 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:41,280 Speaker 1: a training camp in preseason. But like everyone on the 108 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 1: offensive line, he has struggled. Part of the fascination that 109 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:48,559 Speaker 1: Dave Getleman had with Thomas, he was experienced, he was long. 110 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:51,119 Speaker 1: He kind of fits what I call that Giant's molde 111 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 1: going all the way back to when George Young was 112 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:56,119 Speaker 1: the general manager there. The Giants always like big guys. 113 00:05:56,160 --> 00:06:00,240 Speaker 1: They want big, long, athletic guys to play on that 114 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 1: offensive line, and so he fit the prototype. We can 115 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 1: debate whether he was a better player than mackay Beckton 116 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 1: in terms of upside and potential and Tristan Worths, who 117 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 1: was a fantastic player on the right side of Iowa. 118 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:13,520 Speaker 1: But he's been okay, but he's had his struggles, like 119 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:16,039 Speaker 1: that offensive line, and I think there's so many moving 120 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:20,159 Speaker 1: parts when you have a new coordinator, a rebuilt offensive line, 121 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 1: a second year quarterback moving into a second system. There 122 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 1: are a lot of things in place, and I just 123 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 1: don't think it's come together for the New York Giants 124 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 1: at the time. Yeah, Bucky, I assumed, and this is 125 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:34,400 Speaker 1: going back to previous question about Barkley. I assumed that 126 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:38,159 Speaker 1: when he went down, their offense would take a huge hit. 127 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 1: But last week against the Rams, I noticed that they 128 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 1: had their best by far the best rushing day with 129 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 1: one hundred and thirty six yards on the ground. Their 130 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 1: previous high on the season was seventy five at Chicago. 131 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 1: What do they do differently last week in the running game? Particularly? 132 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:56,480 Speaker 1: That made them, I guess better running the ball than 133 00:06:56,480 --> 00:06:58,280 Speaker 1: they've been in any of the previous games before that. 134 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 1: Even with bark you know, yeah, I think he's just 135 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:05,600 Speaker 1: a commitment and I think with sae Quon Barkley, going 136 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 1: back to him, he's kind of a hit or miss 137 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:10,240 Speaker 1: type running back. It reminds me a lot, and I'm 138 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 1: not gonna put him exactly in his class, but it 139 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 1: reminded me a lot of like the debate that you 140 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 1: would have with Barry Sanders and Emma Smith. Barry Sanders 141 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 1: would have two negative one negative three fifty and he 142 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 1: would end up with a great day where Emmett was 143 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 1: a steady and consistent four and five and four and five, 144 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 1: and it would tally it up. Sae Quon Barkley is 145 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:29,360 Speaker 1: a running back that is like that. He is a 146 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 1: big play running back. So when you lose him and 147 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:35,800 Speaker 1: you bring on DeVante Freeman's just a little more of 148 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 1: the persistent three and four and five yard games. That's 149 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 1: kind of steadied out their offense. Maybe Jason has made 150 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 1: a little more commitment to it. And to be honest, 151 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 1: against the Rams, their defense played in a way where 152 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 1: they were able to stay in the game. And because 153 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 1: they could stay in the game, they could be a 154 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 1: little more stubborn when it came to handing the ball off, 155 00:07:56,240 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 1: from really sticking with the running game. Now, this next 156 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 1: question isn't necessarily about the Giants because honestly, I don't 157 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:07,320 Speaker 1: have many more questions on them right now. But I 158 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:09,440 Speaker 1: do believe that the Cowboys are going to win this game. 159 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:12,400 Speaker 1: Let's say they do win, but regardless of them winning, 160 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 1: the defense just played a bad game once again. If 161 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 1: that happens, I mean, is this a point Let's say 162 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 1: Week five, it's it's a point where you start seeing 163 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 1: players maybe giving up, not giving up on the game, 164 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 1: but giving up on their coach. You know, it's interesting 165 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:33,440 Speaker 1: being on the outside looking in. You do want to 166 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:35,839 Speaker 1: because you've heard the questions, You've heard guys talk about 167 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 1: like the game and simplifying in those things. It's obviously 168 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 1: a difference in terms of leadership and management style between 169 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 1: Mike Nolan and Rob Mary Nelly and Chris Rashard, and 170 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 1: I think everyone is adjusting. I think the big thing 171 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy and Mike Nolan have to get on the 172 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 1: same page and they have to figure out what they 173 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 1: want to demand from each of the defenders. And Mike 174 00:08:57,720 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 1: McCarthy has to figure out what does he want to 175 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:02,719 Speaker 1: demand from Mike Nolan, because the head coach's job is 176 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 1: to solve problems, to go to the dcord and say, hey, 177 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:08,680 Speaker 1: it appears that we're having a lot of communication errors. 178 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 1: Let's scale it back. Let's put them in something that 179 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:13,440 Speaker 1: they can just go play so they can get comfortable with. 180 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:16,280 Speaker 1: And then it's really on Mike Nolan to challenge the guys. 181 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 1: He has to get them to play at a high level. 182 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 1: And I know it's tough because you're a new staff, 183 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 1: and depending on how you relate to your players, you 184 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 1: want to always protect them. But at some point they 185 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 1: know what it looks like because we've seen how the 186 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:33,559 Speaker 1: defense is supposed to look in recent years in terms 187 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 1: of the effort and the energy. Now it's on Mike 188 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:38,160 Speaker 1: Nolan and his assistant coaches to kind of hold them 189 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 1: to their standard. Well, I don't want to get into 190 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:43,240 Speaker 1: the whole Waldo thing. Again. We spent a lot of 191 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:45,280 Speaker 1: time last week and I even got a couple of 192 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 1: tweets that said, we have eleven Waldo's on this dam 193 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:51,320 Speaker 1: this defense, but what's the ope? What's the opposite of that? 194 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:54,000 Speaker 1: And by the way, I was somebody pointed out that 195 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:57,080 Speaker 1: Waldo spelled backwards. Is o d law? Don't know where 196 00:09:57,360 --> 00:10:02,840 Speaker 1: what that means? That pointed out, however, what's the opposite 197 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:04,599 Speaker 1: of that? When when you're in the scant ye're like, 198 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:07,160 Speaker 1: who's who's the one guy to target? Is there a 199 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:09,440 Speaker 1: term for the one guy that you have to target 200 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:11,640 Speaker 1: for the other reason he's the badass of the group, 201 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:16,560 Speaker 1: And who's that for the cowboys? So so we used 202 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:18,680 Speaker 1: to talk about that guy is the one who wears 203 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 1: the big sombrero um, meaning that the game is on him. 204 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:24,199 Speaker 1: Whoever has that matchup, he has to wear the big 205 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:27,280 Speaker 1: hat that week because he has the toughest matchup. Um. 206 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 1: If you want to say, for the Giants, who who 207 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 1: is the guy that you're worried about in the matchup? 208 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:34,439 Speaker 1: I don't defend. I don't think you know, like so 209 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 1: so like It's funny because early on in the season, 210 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:38,960 Speaker 1: I think Alden Smith has to be the guy that 211 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 1: you would point out as he has been the best defender. 212 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 1: And in saying that, there were some bad snaps that 213 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:47,280 Speaker 1: he put on tape against the Cleveland Browns where he 214 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:50,559 Speaker 1: didn't really fight hard to fight against a reach block 215 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 1: which allowed guys to get around the corner. He wasn't 216 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:55,559 Speaker 1: always a guy that was running fully to the ball. 217 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:58,320 Speaker 1: But he has been the most disruptive player. He's the 218 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:00,600 Speaker 1: one that obviously leads him in sacks. He has created 219 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 1: more of the disruptive plays from their front line. There's 220 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 1: some talented players there. I really don't know what is 221 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:09,680 Speaker 1: going on in terms of why they're not playing to 222 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:13,040 Speaker 1: the potential that we should see based on what is 223 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:15,600 Speaker 1: on paper. But they're not playing well. And I'm gonna 224 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:18,079 Speaker 1: say Dantari Poe is a guy who should be on 225 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:23,000 Speaker 1: notice because his lackluster performance has really stood out. And 226 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:24,559 Speaker 1: he was brought in to be a guy that really 227 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 1: helped him against the run, and they have struggled so 228 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:29,559 Speaker 1: poorly against the run. And when you see him dropped 229 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:32,839 Speaker 1: into Jaylen Smith's lap and Joe Thomas's lap and they're 230 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:36,080 Speaker 1: knocked off the ball, that's problematic. And when a team 231 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 1: runs for three hundred yards on you man. We could 232 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:40,560 Speaker 1: talk about schemes and all that. At some point, pride 233 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 1: has to come in. This week. We would just like 234 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:46,199 Speaker 1: to see the Cowboys fight back up front if they 235 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:48,199 Speaker 1: get hid in the mouth by the offense, where if 236 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:50,840 Speaker 1: we're punchback. I think it really comes down to as 237 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 1: simple as that. I'm glad you said that, Bucky, because 238 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:57,400 Speaker 1: that I mean if I'm looking, if I'm looking for 239 00:11:57,480 --> 00:12:00,880 Speaker 1: something for the Cowboys to be afraid of, I don't know. 240 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:02,800 Speaker 1: You can laugh at me, but I think it's got 241 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:07,080 Speaker 1: to be Daniel Jones because he's athletic, he can extend plays. 242 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:11,280 Speaker 1: The Cowboys aren't pressuring the quarterback, and their front seven 243 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:14,719 Speaker 1: hasn't been disciplined, so you put them up against the 244 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 1: quarterback who can make plays with his feet and extend 245 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:21,080 Speaker 1: plays to give himself time to throw. How troubling should 246 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 1: that be? You know, I know he's not Aaron Rodgers, 247 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 1: but Daniel Jones has some of that adaptability to his game. Yeah, 248 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 1: now he does have some of that, and ming no 249 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 1: mistake about it. The Jats are going to view the 250 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 1: Cowboys as a get right game as well, because offensively, 251 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:37,199 Speaker 1: when they pop in their tape and they see that 252 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:39,560 Speaker 1: the Browns had five hundred yards and three hundred yards 253 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:42,319 Speaker 1: rushing the ball, their coach is gonna stand in front 254 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:43,680 Speaker 1: of me and say, hey, we're gonna try and jam 255 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 1: it right down the Cowboys throat. And so if we 256 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 1: can run it and throw play action like the Browns 257 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 1: were able to, this can make a game very easy 258 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:53,200 Speaker 1: for the quarterback. So a lot of what we'll see 259 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:56,960 Speaker 1: very early in the game would be a replication of 260 00:12:57,000 --> 00:12:59,800 Speaker 1: what the Cleveland Browns did early. And they want to 261 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 1: see if the Cowboys have fixed the problems. If the 262 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:04,760 Speaker 1: Cowboys having fixed the problems, they can get a steady 263 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 1: diet of the game plan today. Yeah, last week against 264 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:10,200 Speaker 1: the Cleveland Browns. That game plan also works for a 265 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 1: young quarterback. Because the Cleveland Browns were hiding Baker Mayfield 266 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:16,080 Speaker 1: with the way that they played, the New York guys 267 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:18,320 Speaker 1: won't to do something similar to take some of the 268 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:21,280 Speaker 1: pressure off of Daniel Jones, to give him easy throws 269 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 1: on the outside. So I would think we would see 270 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:25,599 Speaker 1: a lot of run early to say Daniel Jones be 271 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:27,720 Speaker 1: able to make some plays on play action. All right, 272 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 1: So I got I want to get to this question. 273 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 1: I was going to throw out you at the beginning 274 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 1: about Jalen A couple of weeks ago, Nick ask you 275 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 1: the question of who you thought was performing best on 276 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 1: the Cowboys defense, and you threw out Jalen Smith's name. 277 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:43,319 Speaker 1: I had a question, and I'll set it up by saying, 278 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:46,240 Speaker 1: after looking at this last game, I was really concerned 279 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 1: about Jalen Smith and how he's playing. But what I 280 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:51,000 Speaker 1: want to get to the heart of is what may 281 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:53,080 Speaker 1: be the reasons if you agree that he is he 282 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 1: at least struggled in that Cleveland game. Is it more 283 00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:58,520 Speaker 1: a function of him being slow to read to play, 284 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:00,960 Speaker 1: him being slow to react to the play, him being 285 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:02,959 Speaker 1: slow to get to the play, or do you think 286 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 1: it's more a function of poor defensive tackle play that's 287 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 1: now not being able to allow him to float to 288 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:12,679 Speaker 1: the ball. Yeah, Derek, I think it's a combination of everything. 289 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:16,080 Speaker 1: I think the one thing that every defender has to 290 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:18,480 Speaker 1: have is they got to have belief that the coordinators 291 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 1: putting the best plan for everybody out there, and sometimes 292 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 1: that belief has to believe. It has to be blind 293 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:26,960 Speaker 1: faith that regardless of what has happened, I'm gonna trust 294 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:28,760 Speaker 1: and believe that Coach Nolan's putt him in a position 295 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 1: where I'm gonna make plays. The other thing that has 296 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 1: to happen with Jalen. A lot of what linebackers are 297 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:36,440 Speaker 1: doing are depending upon what the guys up front are doing. 298 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 1: So our Antoine was in Tristan Hill and Don Terry part. 299 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 1: Are they occupying blocks and now I can run clear 300 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:43,480 Speaker 1: and free to the ball so I can make plays? 301 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:46,400 Speaker 1: Am I uninstructed? Or am I having to run around 302 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 1: this trash that's preventing me from making it. The final 303 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:52,960 Speaker 1: point is you talked about him looking slow to the ball, 304 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:57,360 Speaker 1: not necessarily running. He's not alone because counted players with 305 00:14:57,440 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 1: Alden Smith and Jalen, even Trevan Diggs didn't run to 306 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 1: the ball. I think what has changed. And you guys 307 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:05,560 Speaker 1: know because you've been there. I will say this and 308 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 1: say what you want to about Rod, mary Nelly and 309 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:09,640 Speaker 1: christih Chard are one thing I do believe When I 310 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 1: used to go to Oxnard and I ask players this, 311 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:15,480 Speaker 1: Rod mary Nellie had a standard of effort when they 312 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 1: talked about loafs. And I heard you guys. I listened 313 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 1: actually to the podcast the other day and you guys 314 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:23,160 Speaker 1: were talking about professional players. I believe they give effort. 315 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:26,400 Speaker 1: I don't believe professional players loaf but there's a difference. 316 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 1: And what I will ask everybody to do, you guys 317 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:33,240 Speaker 1: and Cowboys fans included, rewatch the game and if you're 318 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:37,280 Speaker 1: looking at the defense, do the defenders change speed? Do 319 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 1: they slow down then speed up? Are they running all 320 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:42,600 Speaker 1: the way to the ball? And do you see eleven 321 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 1: hands at the ball when the guy is tackled. Because 322 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:47,360 Speaker 1: if you don't see that, that is a change from 323 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:50,680 Speaker 1: what the expectation was previously under Mary Nelly. And what 324 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 1: Mary Nelly and those guys did is they called everybody 325 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 1: out when they didn't do it. When I used to 326 00:15:56,320 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 1: talk to Jeff Heath, he said, that's the culture, that's 327 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 1: the standard. What happened with players. Players are the same 328 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 1: and pros, college, high school, youth ball. If you let 329 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:09,240 Speaker 1: them get away with things, they will continue to get 330 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:13,240 Speaker 1: away with it. De Lard look d Law. It was 331 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:16,200 Speaker 1: one of my favorites. But d Law has cut corners 332 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:18,320 Speaker 1: this year that I didn't see them cut corners in 333 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:21,560 Speaker 1: other years. And so somebody in that room, being a 334 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 1: player or a coach, they have to tell the truth. 335 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:27,200 Speaker 1: And if the coaches aren't telling the truth to the players, 336 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:29,600 Speaker 1: it's going to be hard to fix the problem. So 337 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 1: I think some of it happens when you're getting rolled 338 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:34,600 Speaker 1: over like the Browns were rolling over the Cowboys. You 339 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:37,960 Speaker 1: get discouraged, and your discouragement just like our kids, they 340 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 1: get discouraged so they don't give effort. So some of 341 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:42,640 Speaker 1: that plays into it. But another part of it is 342 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:45,360 Speaker 1: are you coaching it or are you allowing it to happen? 343 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 1: So I think they have to have those hard conversations 344 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 1: about what is the standard expectation for everyone on this 345 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 1: side of the ball. That's great stuff. I do remember 346 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:56,560 Speaker 1: that them having that loath standard that they would check 347 00:16:56,640 --> 00:16:58,880 Speaker 1: like literally after every game they had. They had a 348 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:02,240 Speaker 1: statistical category for loaves and I remember players talking about 349 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:04,920 Speaker 1: that back when Rod marinellos here. 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Before we 398 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:59,479 Speaker 1: get back into the conversation on those matchups, let's talk 399 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:02,120 Speaker 1: a little bit of about some players that coach McCarthy 400 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:04,879 Speaker 1: talked about this morning. It seems like there's a growing 401 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:07,399 Speaker 1: list of guys that are out due to injury, and 402 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:09,560 Speaker 1: some of them, it looks like this week may start 403 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 1: their their progress toward coming back. Dave, why don't you 404 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:15,400 Speaker 1: line out some of the guys that have been out 405 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:17,680 Speaker 1: and kind of where they are in their process of 406 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:21,879 Speaker 1: coming back to the team. Well, I probably want to 407 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:25,359 Speaker 1: start with the guy that McCarthy mentioned unprompted, which is 408 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:29,240 Speaker 1: always a good idea. He was asked why they released 409 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 1: Brandon Carr, and he specifically said, we feel pretty good 410 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:35,879 Speaker 1: about where Anthony Brown is in his recovery. So you know, 411 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:38,399 Speaker 1: Brown's been out for a couple of games at this point. 412 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:42,199 Speaker 1: I think that's something to watch. Um. I don't know 413 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:44,320 Speaker 1: if that means he's ready on Sunday, but I mean 414 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:46,680 Speaker 1: if you're willing to release a guy because of that, 415 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:49,240 Speaker 1: that seems like a good sign. So I would be 416 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:52,159 Speaker 1: keeping a close eye on Anthony brown situation. Hopefully he 417 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:56,480 Speaker 1: can get back to the secondary Leyton vander Esh McCarthy 418 00:20:56,880 --> 00:20:59,120 Speaker 1: kind of I want to be careful about this because 419 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:03,040 Speaker 1: McCarthy said, you know, he's gonna try to start ramping up. 420 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:05,360 Speaker 1: I'm not one hundred percent sure what he's gonna do. 421 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:08,280 Speaker 1: He might not leave the rehab group, but we want 422 00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:11,120 Speaker 1: him to start practicing. So it's easy to hear that 423 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:14,560 Speaker 1: and get excited and say, oh, yeah, Leyton's coming back. 424 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 1: I don't one hundred percent know the timeline on that. 425 00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:20,960 Speaker 1: I think it's great that they're gonna start trying to 426 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:23,840 Speaker 1: ramp him up, but I need to see more before 427 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:26,400 Speaker 1: I'm sitting here saying he might be ready to go. Obviously, 428 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:28,760 Speaker 1: it's been three weeks since he went on IR. He 429 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:31,439 Speaker 1: can come back whenever he wants, but I wouldn't be 430 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:33,640 Speaker 1: surprised if he's still a little ways off. And Dave 431 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:35,840 Speaker 1: just and then the other real quick, I want to 432 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:38,600 Speaker 1: bump in on that LV thing. That was a broken 433 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:40,639 Speaker 1: collar bone. So my assumption that's not the kind of 434 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:43,520 Speaker 1: injury where you're testing out to see if he feels good. 435 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:46,040 Speaker 1: That's more a thing of what are the x rays saying? 436 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:49,239 Speaker 1: Is is the bone healed right? Right? Okay, that's always right, 437 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:54,400 Speaker 1: I think, And yeah, that's that's kind of yeah. No, 438 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:57,080 Speaker 1: I mean he's he's been out there working with Britt 439 00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:59,280 Speaker 1: Brown in the rehab group for a while, like he 440 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 1: can move around round and run and take part in 441 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 1: football stuff. But yeah, I just don't think he's at 442 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:07,040 Speaker 1: a point where he's ready to be hitting people in 443 00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:10,199 Speaker 1: football action yet. So that's kind of my point is 444 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:12,600 Speaker 1: it's easy to get excited that they're ramping him up, 445 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:15,560 Speaker 1: but if I had to guess, I think he's probably 446 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:18,679 Speaker 1: still at least a couple weeks away, at the least 447 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:22,120 Speaker 1: that's just my guess. The other big one is Randy Gregory. 448 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:25,960 Speaker 1: He can start practicing today. They're gonna let him mix 449 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:28,600 Speaker 1: into practice. I don't think it'll be a big workload. 450 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:32,639 Speaker 1: He's not eligible to play until the twenty fifths, so 451 00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:35,520 Speaker 1: he's again he's still a couple of weeks off until 452 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:37,760 Speaker 1: you would expect to see him in the lineup. But 453 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:40,600 Speaker 1: they're gonna start trying to get him ready and condition 454 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:43,639 Speaker 1: so that when October twenty fifth rolls around, he can 455 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:46,600 Speaker 1: jump in as soon as possible. So Amber and Nick, 456 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:48,640 Speaker 1: I want you guys to chime in on this part. 457 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:51,080 Speaker 1: Who do you think of those three guys he mentioned, 458 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:53,479 Speaker 1: who do you think the Cowboys need back most? Who 459 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:55,880 Speaker 1: is more of the who would give this team more 460 00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:58,280 Speaker 1: of a lift by returning to the line up. Nick, 461 00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:02,000 Speaker 1: let's start with you. Well, I think that Layton vander 462 00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 1: esh would gives them more of a lift. But like 463 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:08,040 Speaker 1: Dave said, I'm not thinking it happens this week. Let's 464 00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:10,280 Speaker 1: you know, don't move down down the line too far. 465 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:13,879 Speaker 1: Anthony Brown returning this week is gonna help them. I 466 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:17,240 Speaker 1: mean I think that it just will. So um he's 467 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:18,679 Speaker 1: the one that I that I would you know, if 468 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:20,120 Speaker 1: they're all come back at the same time, I would 469 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:22,760 Speaker 1: probably say Layton. But you know, I do think it's 470 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 1: important for have Anthony Brown back. I never thought I would, 471 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:28,600 Speaker 1: you know, say it like that. Well that that's also 472 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:30,720 Speaker 1: the part I'm kind of wondering, like I think everybody's 473 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:33,080 Speaker 1: looking at him as somewhat of a savior, but I 474 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:34,760 Speaker 1: just I look at it and and I'm like, I mean, 475 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:37,240 Speaker 1: Anthony was to me, he's an average cornerback. I don't 476 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:39,240 Speaker 1: think he's a great cornerback. Think he's an average cornerback. 477 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:40,920 Speaker 1: I don't know that it gets it. Does it get 478 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:42,879 Speaker 1: a lot better? Well, I would assume maybe he's better 479 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:46,080 Speaker 1: than an average defense, and no, no, it's not. So 480 00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:49,800 Speaker 1: if you can get an average player, it's going to 481 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:53,520 Speaker 1: elevate the defense. Good point, gooint Amer. What do you 482 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:58,160 Speaker 1: think who give them the big, biggest jump. I think 483 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:02,400 Speaker 1: that that will probably get the most right away from 484 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:05,880 Speaker 1: Anthony Brown, just because again when you talk about late 485 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:08,800 Speaker 1: and I am ready to have him back on the defense. 486 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:10,800 Speaker 1: I think the Cowboys do need him. But it makes 487 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:14,560 Speaker 1: me wonder because you know, when players get hurt and 488 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:16,960 Speaker 1: they come back, You've seen it in the past where 489 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:19,840 Speaker 1: it creates some kind of hesitation just in their game. 490 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:22,359 Speaker 1: Not that they want to do that, but it just 491 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:25,680 Speaker 1: naturally happens because of the things that your body has 492 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:29,040 Speaker 1: had to deal with. It creates certain hesitation when trying 493 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:33,000 Speaker 1: to tackle or hit somebody. So in that scenario, it 494 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:36,879 Speaker 1: just makes me wonder just how late In will really 495 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:40,000 Speaker 1: feel once he's actually in the game. I'm excited to 496 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:43,080 Speaker 1: see Randy Gregory come back in, but at the same time, 497 00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:45,800 Speaker 1: I don't think neither of those three guys it's just 498 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:49,479 Speaker 1: gonna come in and just completely change the defense like 499 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:53,360 Speaker 1: a miracle. So the Cowboys need a lot more help 500 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:56,240 Speaker 1: than that, a lot bigger change than just having these 501 00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 1: guys come back. But it's good. It's good to hear 502 00:24:59,880 --> 00:25:02,480 Speaker 1: that they're on their way to making him back to 503 00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:05,080 Speaker 1: the field again. There were two players that left the 504 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:08,399 Speaker 1: game Sunday, Joe Looney and Dalton Schultz. We already know 505 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 1: that Looney's gonna be out for a few weeks. Tyler 506 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:12,560 Speaker 1: Beadiest will be the guy that's going to be playing 507 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:16,199 Speaker 1: for him, presumably. Let's talk about Dalton Schultz. Though I 508 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:19,679 Speaker 1: personally believe Dalton Schultz has been a bright spot for 509 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:22,400 Speaker 1: this offense from the standpoint that, what if you talk 510 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:25,800 Speaker 1: about any player on this team where your expectations were 511 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:29,240 Speaker 1: one level and they've played significantly above that. Dalton Schultz, 512 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:31,439 Speaker 1: to me, is hands down the player I put in 513 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:35,480 Speaker 1: that category as the player who has exceeded his expectations 514 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:37,480 Speaker 1: way more than what I had for him coming into 515 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:40,199 Speaker 1: the year. So my question is, let's assume for a 516 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:41,960 Speaker 1: second that he can't play for a couple of weeks 517 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:43,760 Speaker 1: and this is already a position where you don't have 518 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:46,719 Speaker 1: Blake Jarwin. How much does that affect this offense not 519 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:48,919 Speaker 1: having Dalton Schultz in the lineup? And now I know 520 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:51,080 Speaker 1: that sounds weird asking that, but how much does that 521 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:55,280 Speaker 1: affect this office day? Let's go to you ten personnel, baby. 522 00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:58,359 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, Dalton Schultz has had He's been a 523 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:02,040 Speaker 1: bright spot. I've been very impressed. Um, but let's just 524 00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:04,840 Speaker 1: roll these receivers out here. Cedric Wilson and Noah Brown 525 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:07,879 Speaker 1: are showing you what they can do. Um. You know, 526 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,120 Speaker 1: they're kind of us. They've been using their tight ends 527 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:14,520 Speaker 1: as big receivers anyway, So just let's play some ten personnel. 528 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:17,840 Speaker 1: That's my response, Nick, how much this dog Chiel hurts. Well, 529 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:21,720 Speaker 1: it's hurt. It hurts just from you know, being able 530 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:23,760 Speaker 1: to run your offense the way they want to in 531 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:26,199 Speaker 1: the in the passing game and all that. But you 532 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:29,600 Speaker 1: know the fact is is that Blake Darwin would have 533 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:32,119 Speaker 1: done this, you know, even and probably better than this. 534 00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:34,480 Speaker 1: And this is this is the product of the offense 535 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:35,920 Speaker 1: the way it is is that the tight end is 536 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:38,800 Speaker 1: gonna get open a lot. Uh, And this set up 537 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:41,040 Speaker 1: The problem is they don't they don't block very well, 538 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:44,000 Speaker 1: and he hasn't been that good of a blocker, and 539 00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:46,880 Speaker 1: none of them have really and they don't they don't 540 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:49,480 Speaker 1: do a great job of blocking on short yardage and 541 00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:51,280 Speaker 1: down in the red zone. But they're passing their way 542 00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:54,560 Speaker 1: in which which helps, especially in the second half. So 543 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,240 Speaker 1: it's it's not gonna be I don't think it's gonna 544 00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:59,600 Speaker 1: be a huge difference. I really don't. I mean, I 545 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,879 Speaker 1: think they'll slide somebody else in there and they'll be 546 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:06,239 Speaker 1: able to catch and eight ten yard passes. I mean, 547 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,120 Speaker 1: he's been better than I thought, but I don't think 548 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:11,440 Speaker 1: it's been like really dynamic. All right, Amber, what do 549 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:16,200 Speaker 1: you think I think the Cowboys will be fine considering 550 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:20,000 Speaker 1: all the other offensive weapons that they have, but the 551 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:23,280 Speaker 1: tight end position it always I've always seated as a 552 00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:27,200 Speaker 1: comfort spot for Dak. I know Dak does like just 553 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:30,320 Speaker 1: finding that tight end and connected with them in certain 554 00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:34,640 Speaker 1: scenarios where he can find open guys as the wide receivers. 555 00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:38,360 Speaker 1: But just overall and considering also the way that Dak 556 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:41,640 Speaker 1: has been playing, how dynamic has been, and how well 557 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:45,520 Speaker 1: he's been connecting with his receivers, I think that they 558 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:50,960 Speaker 1: should be okay, just with everyone else and changing the personnel. Yeah, 559 00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:52,720 Speaker 1: let's go ahead and take our final break. 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I mean the ones 610 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:41,680 Speaker 1: that are calling in week twelve, week thirteen and wanting 611 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:43,560 Speaker 1: to do this and that. Yeah, those are the those 612 00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:44,800 Speaker 1: are the fans of the years. Of course, do we 613 00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:47,720 Speaker 1: even have call ins anymore? You know, that's a good question. 614 00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:49,520 Speaker 1: Our producer, Chris, I'm gonna have to ask him that 615 00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:51,840 Speaker 1: after the show, is can we get calling? I mean, 616 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:53,760 Speaker 1: he doesn't have much on his plate. I think we 617 00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:56,520 Speaker 1: could put more things on there like that. Yeah, Chris, 618 00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:58,760 Speaker 1: Chris didn't around just chilling right now. He has nothing 619 00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:02,040 Speaker 1: to do. Probably is when one show does it, the 620 00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:05,080 Speaker 1: other eleven want to do it too. Yeah, all right, 621 00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:06,840 Speaker 1: we welcome back to the show. We are live from 622 00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:11,360 Speaker 1: s WBC Mortgage Studios at the Star and we're gonna 623 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:13,760 Speaker 1: now take a little bit of a turn and we're 624 00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:15,880 Speaker 1: gonna put on our fix it hats, Like we're gonna 625 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:19,240 Speaker 1: figure out what's going on with this team and how 626 00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:22,800 Speaker 1: we can fix it for them, and hopefully, hopefully right 627 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:26,440 Speaker 1: now the team is listening to the show and they 628 00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:28,400 Speaker 1: will walk away with some real bullet points that they 629 00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:30,880 Speaker 1: can go out and you know, do some things and 630 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:32,400 Speaker 1: see if we can get this thing back on track. 631 00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,120 Speaker 1: All right, So let's start first with the right tackle position. 632 00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:38,320 Speaker 1: Lyle Collins is now gone for the season. My question 633 00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:40,880 Speaker 1: for you guys is who is best to replace him? 634 00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,280 Speaker 1: And does that make a big difference in what we've 635 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:46,160 Speaker 1: seen through the first four games relative to going forward. 636 00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:49,040 Speaker 1: You've got Brandon Knight, You've got Zach Martin, or do 637 00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:52,360 Speaker 1: you look somewhere else. Let's start first with you Amber. 638 00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:58,400 Speaker 1: I think I would go with Brandon Knight, um and 639 00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:00,840 Speaker 1: just have him there. We've seen what the Cowboys are 640 00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:04,200 Speaker 1: capable of. They just need to limit their mistakes and 641 00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:07,040 Speaker 1: over as a whole, the offense as a whole, just 642 00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:09,480 Speaker 1: make it work. We've seen it all the time in 643 00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:12,360 Speaker 1: the fourth quarter. It might be the sense of urgency 644 00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:15,360 Speaker 1: and you know, you got adrenaline rushing in and that 645 00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:19,320 Speaker 1: competitive side of you kicks in and maybe get gives 646 00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:21,560 Speaker 1: you extra talent. I don't know where. I don't know, 647 00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:24,560 Speaker 1: but we've seen it happened, so we know that they 648 00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:28,360 Speaker 1: can do it. I would stick to Brandon Knight and 649 00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:32,560 Speaker 1: just actually stick to it. Stop shuffling around. We've been 650 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:35,600 Speaker 1: talking about it on the show. Just quit shuffling, figure 651 00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:39,280 Speaker 1: out exactly which combination you want and stick to it 652 00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:43,880 Speaker 1: throughout practice and until you know something else crazy happens. 653 00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:47,400 Speaker 1: As far as an injury, all right, Nick, Brandon Knight 654 00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:52,120 Speaker 1: would be the guy right now. The Looney injury affects 655 00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:55,600 Speaker 1: things because you could you could see maybe sliding Zach 656 00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:59,360 Speaker 1: out and putting Looney it right guard. But now that 657 00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:01,600 Speaker 1: that's not happening and he's hurt, and I don't think 658 00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:04,120 Speaker 1: Conrad mcgovernin looks like he's ready or they don't think 659 00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:07,480 Speaker 1: he's ready, So then then I would go with Brandon Knight. 660 00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:10,560 Speaker 1: I think he'll can continue to get better. I think 661 00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:13,600 Speaker 1: the right side is the better spot for him, um and, 662 00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:16,360 Speaker 1: especially if Timan could stay on that left side, um 663 00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:19,560 Speaker 1: and and be healthy. Yeah, I think that that's the 664 00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:22,080 Speaker 1: best that's the best route. But also I think that 665 00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:25,200 Speaker 1: you need to to chip more, you need to block more, 666 00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:29,080 Speaker 1: keep those guys in. Those receivers can get open on 667 00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:30,920 Speaker 1: their own. I don't think you need to have five 668 00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:33,160 Speaker 1: six guys out in every route. Yeah, you can max 669 00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:35,560 Speaker 1: protect with this offense and still be able to get 670 00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:39,960 Speaker 1: guys open that you can get exact ye, Dave, Yeah, 671 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,680 Speaker 1: I think I'm I'm the guy that said ten personnel 672 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:46,040 Speaker 1: in the last segment. But if Brandon Knight is struggling, 673 00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:48,600 Speaker 1: and I don't think he will against this team. But 674 00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:51,840 Speaker 1: you know, next time they go against the badass pass rusher, 675 00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,960 Speaker 1: Blake Bell is there and you can attach Blake Bell 676 00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:58,440 Speaker 1: to Brandon Knight's hip, uh, you know, tiring his back 677 00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:01,400 Speaker 1: at left tackle, and he can help Williams. I think 678 00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:04,160 Speaker 1: it's fine the way it is. I haven't seen anything 679 00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:07,800 Speaker 1: from Brandon Knight that hurts my confidence that he can 680 00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:10,680 Speaker 1: handle the job. All right, let's move on to a 681 00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:13,680 Speaker 1: personnel question. I know this week there's been a lot 682 00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:16,920 Speaker 1: of talk of shit to Cowboys be looking in free agency, 683 00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:19,040 Speaker 1: and there are a lot of players right now that 684 00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:21,680 Speaker 1: the Cowboys have that are out due to injury. So 685 00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:24,000 Speaker 1: my question for you is, if you take the whole 686 00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:26,040 Speaker 1: lot of them. You got Sean Lee, you got Layton 687 00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:29,600 Speaker 1: vander esh, you got Randy Gregory, Cheeto, you got Anthony Brown. 688 00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:32,239 Speaker 1: If you get all those guys back, do you think 689 00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:35,880 Speaker 1: that's enough to change the tie, particularly of what's happening 690 00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:38,440 Speaker 1: on defense, or do you think the Cowboys still need 691 00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:42,799 Speaker 1: to look outside for reinforcements. Let's start first with you, Nick. 692 00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:46,279 Speaker 1: You know it's just so hard to look outside now, 693 00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:49,040 Speaker 1: I mean, when you really think about it. There's five 694 00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:53,799 Speaker 1: hundred players on rosters now or you know, or allocated 695 00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:57,200 Speaker 1: to teams I are or practice squad. Five hundred more 696 00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:00,360 Speaker 1: players than there were last year. That's just the is 697 00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:03,239 Speaker 1: just shrinking of players that are available now, the veterans 698 00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:05,680 Speaker 1: that you know, what kind of shape are they in? 699 00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:08,440 Speaker 1: You know? And now the NFL's protocol of the they 700 00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:10,680 Speaker 1: have to whether you have to test six, you have 701 00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:13,360 Speaker 1: to pass six tests. Now, I think they loved it 702 00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:15,520 Speaker 1: from three to six. So you got to think a 703 00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:18,600 Speaker 1: whole week ahead now that you know that that you 704 00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:20,520 Speaker 1: you need to get somebody in here. So which is 705 00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:22,200 Speaker 1: why now it would be the time. Now you think 706 00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:24,600 Speaker 1: New York you can manage see kiss through the game, 707 00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:26,279 Speaker 1: come back to the next game. You got a Monday 708 00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:29,239 Speaker 1: night game the following that. So so yeah, I mean, 709 00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:32,080 Speaker 1: I just I just don't think that they believe that 710 00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:34,440 Speaker 1: there's a there's a there's guys out there that can 711 00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:37,720 Speaker 1: really help them. Um, and they've looked at all the names, 712 00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:39,760 Speaker 1: and they've they've seen them. They they've looked at the tape. 713 00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:42,439 Speaker 1: I just don't think that they've So they answer your question, 714 00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:44,200 Speaker 1: I think they have. It has to be. It has 715 00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:46,600 Speaker 1: to be enough right now to patch it through amber. 716 00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:54,239 Speaker 1: That's just a it's a really hard question because it's 717 00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:57,360 Speaker 1: such a mix, sure, a mix of everything combined. I 718 00:35:57,719 --> 00:35:59,759 Speaker 1: don't think that even if you get let's say, a 719 00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:03,120 Speaker 1: guy like Earl Thomas, the defense is not just magically 720 00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:06,920 Speaker 1: gonna change. I think it's something bigger than just talent 721 00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:11,080 Speaker 1: specifically speaking of it and these guys, the return of them. Yes, 722 00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:13,879 Speaker 1: it's gonna help the Cowboys. It should help them, but 723 00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:17,680 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, they need something bigger, 724 00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:21,600 Speaker 1: something bigger needs to happen as far as and I 725 00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:24,239 Speaker 1: don't know what that is because me, I said it 726 00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:29,040 Speaker 1: the other day, my patience in football is very very low. 727 00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:31,680 Speaker 1: So me right now I'm thinking, Okay, who do I 728 00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:34,040 Speaker 1: need to fire? Who do I need to bring in here? 729 00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:38,080 Speaker 1: And when I started thinking that way, I am I, Okay, well, shoot, 730 00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:40,160 Speaker 1: who would I bring in here? I don't know. I 731 00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:41,719 Speaker 1: don't know who I would bring in here. I don't 732 00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:44,920 Speaker 1: know who would be available to come in here and 733 00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:47,800 Speaker 1: start changing things around as far as the defense go. 734 00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:52,799 Speaker 1: So it should help, but it's not gonna That's that's 735 00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:58,280 Speaker 1: not the solution, Dave. I don't get why they don't 736 00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:02,239 Speaker 1: have any interest in Max Harrison. I never really understood that, 737 00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,960 Speaker 1: especially once the season started and it was obvious that 738 00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:09,239 Speaker 1: the defensive tackle position is a problem. Get I mean, 739 00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:12,320 Speaker 1: on one hand, I think I even said during the offseason, 740 00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:14,680 Speaker 1: I was like, he's a two down player. He's not 741 00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:17,440 Speaker 1: going to help you rush the passer. Well, I don't 742 00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:19,920 Speaker 1: think I counted on the run defense being this bad. 743 00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:23,200 Speaker 1: So it sounds pretty nice to have somebody who could 744 00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:26,520 Speaker 1: really be a force in the run game right now, somewhat, 745 00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:30,080 Speaker 1: I guess you could say. Fortunately, it sounds like Snacks 746 00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:33,480 Speaker 1: is going to Seattle, so I mean, that's not good 747 00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:35,279 Speaker 1: for the Cowboys, but at the very least we don't 748 00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:40,200 Speaker 1: have to talk about him anymore. Well, you know, Earl 749 00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:43,080 Speaker 1: Thomas is Earl Thomas is obviously the other one. But 750 00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:48,080 Speaker 1: at this point, I'm comfortable in the knowledge that dude's 751 00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:50,000 Speaker 1: been out there for a long time. It ain't just 752 00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:53,840 Speaker 1: the Cowboys that are ignoring him, and nobody seems interested, 753 00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:56,960 Speaker 1: which there's just got to be something there. So I'm 754 00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:58,880 Speaker 1: not gonna kill him. I'm not gonna kill him for 755 00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:01,839 Speaker 1: not doing that. But those are a couple names. Eric 756 00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:04,719 Speaker 1: Reid's another one, Tony Jefferson. Yeah, like I would look 757 00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:07,200 Speaker 1: at some of these guys. It can't be worse than 758 00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:09,560 Speaker 1: what they're putting out there, and no, it's not going 759 00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:12,319 Speaker 1: to transform you into a top tier defense. But they 760 00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:14,359 Speaker 1: don't need to be a top tier defense, so they 761 00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:17,440 Speaker 1: need to be average to below average. Like if the 762 00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:21,160 Speaker 1: Cowboys were twentieth in the league in total defense right now, 763 00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:23,719 Speaker 1: they would have a winning record. But they're in the 764 00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:28,000 Speaker 1: bottom three in like every important category, So I don't 765 00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,520 Speaker 1: really buy that there's no way to improve this defense. 766 00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:32,960 Speaker 1: I do think getting some of these hurt guys back 767 00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:36,759 Speaker 1: will help, Like if Sean and Leyton and Cheeto and 768 00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:39,719 Speaker 1: Anthony Brown are all healthy and contributing, I do think 769 00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:42,920 Speaker 1: that'll make a difference. But that still wouldn't stop me 770 00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:45,160 Speaker 1: from kicking the tires on some better players. You know. 771 00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:47,880 Speaker 1: I'll throw something in there about Earl Thomas because we 772 00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:49,360 Speaker 1: don't get a chance to talk to a lot of 773 00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:53,600 Speaker 1: people anymore, but I did this week talked to a 774 00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:58,200 Speaker 1: couple of people, some scouts, coaches. They had looked at 775 00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:03,640 Speaker 1: Earl Thomas multiple times, and the reason why he hasn't 776 00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:08,120 Speaker 1: been signed by the Cowboys is on the field now 777 00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:12,480 Speaker 1: off the field probably certainly doesn't help, but it's on 778 00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:15,840 Speaker 1: the field tape that is the reason why he hasn't 779 00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:17,719 Speaker 1: been signed. And so I know a lot of us 780 00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:19,839 Speaker 1: is to say, well he's a bad guy or bad 781 00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:24,719 Speaker 1: teammate or you know whatever, undisciplined. It's it's on the 782 00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:28,080 Speaker 1: tape that is the issue versus I think the other 783 00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:30,560 Speaker 1: stuff that's out there, plus the money he's looking for. 784 00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:34,880 Speaker 1: But it's it's it's the type of player that you know. 785 00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:37,000 Speaker 1: Now you can look at it and say, well, it's 786 00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:39,239 Speaker 1: got to be better than Darren Thompson. Right, that's gonna 787 00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:41,920 Speaker 1: be my question. Better than what I think it's. I 788 00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:47,120 Speaker 1: think it's on the tape combined with just some of 789 00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:49,359 Speaker 1: the things that that's happened in the money and all that, 790 00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:54,440 Speaker 1: and I would yeah, And honestly, if he is not 791 00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:58,160 Speaker 1: a drastic upgrade over over DT and he brings all 792 00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:00,480 Speaker 1: of that other baggage, like it makes sense, Like I said, 793 00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:02,959 Speaker 1: like it really it doesn't bother me that they haven't 794 00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:06,040 Speaker 1: signed Earl Thomas, Like between the off field stuff the 795 00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:08,799 Speaker 1: money he's probably looking for, and I don't have a 796 00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:12,680 Speaker 1: problem believing that the tape has declined so purely from 797 00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:15,560 Speaker 1: a football standpoint, he is probably better than darry and 798 00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:18,680 Speaker 1: Thompson and Donovan Wilson, but not so much better that 799 00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:23,480 Speaker 1: it's worth all of that crap. And so I get it. Yeah, 800 00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:25,560 Speaker 1: I've moved on from the Earl Thomas thing for quite 801 00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:28,440 Speaker 1: a while. But where I am and I agree with 802 00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:30,160 Speaker 1: Dave on this, where I am still a little bit 803 00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:32,520 Speaker 1: perplexed is that they didn't make a play for Snacks Harrison. 804 00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:35,920 Speaker 1: If Poe really isn't performing at the level that everybody 805 00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:38,799 Speaker 1: and I have yet to hear anybody say disagree with that, 806 00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:41,000 Speaker 1: that Poe was playing at a level where he should 807 00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:43,480 Speaker 1: be playing right now, and I think it's affecting that 808 00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:45,960 Speaker 1: second level as well as as Buck you mentioned. You know, 809 00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:48,799 Speaker 1: when you're getting guys that are pushing pole back into 810 00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:51,200 Speaker 1: the linebackers, that's a problem for the linebackers as well. 811 00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:54,439 Speaker 1: I'm kind of shocked that they wouldn't at least look 812 00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:57,200 Speaker 1: at a three hundred and fifty pound guy who wasn't 813 00:40:57,320 --> 00:40:59,560 Speaker 1: at one point in all pro I mean, to me, 814 00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:00,960 Speaker 1: that just makes a lot of sense. And I will 815 00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:04,000 Speaker 1: say this, Dave, you mentioned he's in Seattle. What I 816 00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:05,840 Speaker 1: read this morning is that he's on the practice squad, 817 00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:08,200 Speaker 1: and the rules are if he's on the practice squad, 818 00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:10,480 Speaker 1: you can go sign someone from someone's practice squad. So 819 00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:14,120 Speaker 1: it's still not lost cause at this point, I do 820 00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:16,359 Speaker 1: think it's something that Cowboys should at least take a 821 00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:19,440 Speaker 1: look at, right and just because I think that they 822 00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:21,960 Speaker 1: that is a position where if you clear that position up, 823 00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:24,920 Speaker 1: you actually might make two or three positions better by 824 00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:26,880 Speaker 1: just clearing up that position. And I don't think they 825 00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:30,520 Speaker 1: have that guy on this team right now. Derek. Derek 826 00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:34,840 Speaker 1: turns out that it doesn't matter what we think, it 827 00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:38,120 Speaker 1: doesn't matter what you think. They're gonna do what they're 828 00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:42,440 Speaker 1: gonna do. And I mean, I don't understand why. I 829 00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:46,200 Speaker 1: don't understand why not at least try to bring someone 830 00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:48,560 Speaker 1: in just to look at them in person, get at 831 00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:51,719 Speaker 1: work out. I know that COVID doesn't help. All these 832 00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:54,600 Speaker 1: protocols doesn't help, and I'm sure that's a factor. I 833 00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:57,080 Speaker 1: still okay, So I really want to spend time trying 834 00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:01,960 Speaker 1: to examinate this if I'm not fully convinced because of everything, 835 00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:07,759 Speaker 1: but that's the perception. It's a big thing, and to 836 00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:10,279 Speaker 1: me right now, it is upsetting. And I know that 837 00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:14,240 Speaker 1: fans are upset to the fact that they're not even trying, 838 00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:16,600 Speaker 1: and we don't know what happens behind doors, but at 839 00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:19,480 Speaker 1: least what we get to see or hear, we don't 840 00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:23,919 Speaker 1: hear or see anything happening. And that's when it makes 841 00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:27,319 Speaker 1: you just upset. Day. Were you about to say something 842 00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:30,719 Speaker 1: it does No, it doesn't upset me. I mean, it's 843 00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:33,319 Speaker 1: just it is what it is. They teams think they're 844 00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:36,560 Speaker 1: smarter than everybody else, and sometimes they are, and sometimes 845 00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:38,480 Speaker 1: they have to swap tackles in the middle of the game. 846 00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:40,480 Speaker 1: It just is what it is. Like I don't I 847 00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:43,760 Speaker 1: don't let it upset me, but it is. It's interesting 848 00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:46,480 Speaker 1: to see how these decisions play out. And I mean, Derek, 849 00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:50,360 Speaker 1: you're right, there's nothing stopping them from looking at snacks. 850 00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:53,839 Speaker 1: But I mean, if they weren't interested when he was unemployed, 851 00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:56,320 Speaker 1: why are they going to be interested once he's in Seattle. 852 00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:58,920 Speaker 1: I just I don't see saying that with my with 853 00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:00,920 Speaker 1: my tongue firm, with playing it in my cheek. But 854 00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:03,239 Speaker 1: the point is, like, I think that that's an area 855 00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:06,440 Speaker 1: where they could clearly, in my opinion, could upgrade the 856 00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:08,960 Speaker 1: position and give yourself a guy in the middle that 857 00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:10,839 Speaker 1: at least won't get pushed around. I don't think at 858 00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:13,320 Speaker 1: three fifty and everything I've ever watched of Snacks Harrison, 859 00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:16,839 Speaker 1: you can claim maybe he doesn't always go as hard 860 00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:18,320 Speaker 1: as he should. You can claim he's not going to 861 00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:20,000 Speaker 1: be able to do much more than be a two 862 00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,319 Speaker 1: down player. What I've never heard anybody says he gets 863 00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:24,160 Speaker 1: pushed around. So if you can give me a three 864 00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:25,640 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty pound guy that I can put in 865 00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:28,440 Speaker 1: the middle that at least keeps those offensive lineman from 866 00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:30,520 Speaker 1: getting to the second level to my linebackers and allow 867 00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:33,319 Speaker 1: my linebackers to float to the ball, I'm good with that. 868 00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:35,239 Speaker 1: I'll take that right now, and I think that can 869 00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:38,879 Speaker 1: help your defense. It's a lot. Yeah, I just three 870 00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:41,440 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty pounds, and I don't know him at all. 871 00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:44,560 Speaker 1: I mean, but number one, he has a nickname for 872 00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:48,120 Speaker 1: a reason. And two, he's three hundred and fifty pounds, 873 00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:51,080 Speaker 1: and he hasn't had any training camp any offseason. And 874 00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:54,040 Speaker 1: then nobody's signing him, and the team that is signing 875 00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:56,920 Speaker 1: him is putting on their practice squad, which means to me, 876 00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:59,480 Speaker 1: it looks like there's no way he's in any kind 877 00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:01,720 Speaker 1: of football shape. And that maybe think that may be true. 878 00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:04,880 Speaker 1: But again, the way I look at that is three 879 00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:08,560 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty pounds playing defensive tackle. Hey, until we 880 00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:10,600 Speaker 1: get you in shape where you can run to the sideline, 881 00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:12,160 Speaker 1: all we're gonna do is just put you in there 882 00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:14,719 Speaker 1: and say don't let anybody move beyond you, like, just 883 00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:18,439 Speaker 1: hold the point, right. What do you mean they're moving 884 00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:21,560 Speaker 1: Poe moving him around? Okay, but I think snacks will 885 00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:23,600 Speaker 1: be a little bit more and if he's if he's 886 00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:27,120 Speaker 1: as snack hungry as you think he is, then maybe 887 00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:28,719 Speaker 1: it's even more of him to push around. So you're 888 00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:30,879 Speaker 1: not gonna push him around. I just feel like, give 889 00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:32,919 Speaker 1: me another body and let's see if that big body 890 00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:35,920 Speaker 1: can stop people from getting to the second level. Okay, 891 00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:42,799 Speaker 1: it really it just it. It reminds me of the 892 00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:44,680 Speaker 1: same thing like we said it at the start of 893 00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:48,680 Speaker 1: the season. It's like there's always there's always a threshold 894 00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:51,319 Speaker 1: for when you break the glass in case of an emergency. 895 00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:54,840 Speaker 1: We I mean, Zach Martin had never played right tackle 896 00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:58,680 Speaker 1: in his entire career until everything completely hit the fan 897 00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:01,480 Speaker 1: and they were like, we gotta do something or it's 898 00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:05,759 Speaker 1: gonna go south. And through four weeks, the Cowboys don't 899 00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:08,680 Speaker 1: feel like they're there. But if this keeps up, there 900 00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:11,640 Speaker 1: there's a threshold. There is a threshold for where they say, 901 00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:14,280 Speaker 1: ef it, we gotta do something. We can't just keep 902 00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:18,439 Speaker 1: expecting to get better results with what we have. So 903 00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:21,440 Speaker 1: you know, this is gonna be a topic of conversation 904 00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:24,960 Speaker 1: until the guys that are here either get better or 905 00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:27,920 Speaker 1: the results get bad enough that they can't take it anymore. 906 00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:30,560 Speaker 1: All Right, we appreciate you guys join us. We're back tomorrow. 907 00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:34,719 Speaker 1: We will talk Cowboys offense versus Giants defense. We'll have 908 00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:37,040 Speaker 1: Bucky on and we'll get some opinions from these guys 909 00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:39,840 Speaker 1: as well. Until then. For Nick Eatman, Dave Helmet, Amber Garcia, 910 00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:41,919 Speaker 1: I am Derek Eagleson. This has been The Break live 911 00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:48,480 Speaker 1: on Dallas Cowboys dot Com Radio. This has been a 912 00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:52,160 Speaker 1: production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys 913 00:45:52,160 --> 00:46:00,520 Speaker 1: Football Club. M hmmm,