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Speaker 2: What's up, everybody? I'm peanut to him.

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Speaker 3: And this is the NFL Player's Second Act podcast, and

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Speaker 3: with me is always my trusty co host, Roman Plan,

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Speaker 4: They don't see that, but that's only because I'm trying

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Speaker 2: But this is gonna be awesome. Go ahead, the Proud

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Speaker 5: Okay, first Battle, Hall of Famer, NFL are, all time

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Speaker 5: That's a that's a Marlowe. Okay, I didn't know. That's

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Speaker 5: How is it having the Like, it's cool to have

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Speaker 4: So let's talk about your draft process, because first of all,

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Speaker 2: I don't know how they didn't put ten people in

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Speaker 1: It was the second year, second year, I think because

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Speaker 1: There was a commitment to me as a running back.

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Speaker 1: gonna be a focal point. This is my job. I

438
00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:05,320
Speaker 1: got to get ready for this. And if I'm gonna

439
00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:08,879
Speaker 1: get ready for it, I'm gonna be ready. I got

440
00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:10,760
Speaker 1: to learn how to train, I got to do extra work.

441
00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:12,040
Speaker 1: I gotta do all the things I need to do.

442
00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:13,440
Speaker 1: Then I got to learn how to take care of

443
00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:15,040
Speaker 1: this body because I want this. I want this for

444
00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:19,480
Speaker 1: a long time. So that commitment, if someone committed to you,

445
00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:21,320
Speaker 1: how much are you gonna give to them?

446
00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:21,840
Speaker 2: Everything?

447
00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:26,159
Speaker 1: My point, They were committed to run the rock. They

448
00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:29,440
Speaker 1: were committed to having a balance, and Troy and me

449
00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:33,280
Speaker 1: and Michael balance for everybody to have success. And the

450
00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:38,160
Speaker 1: way we started having success was being balanced, being balanced.

451
00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:40,720
Speaker 1: If they dropped eight in the bucks, Michael was gonna

452
00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:43,680
Speaker 1: eat you up. You stayed back and cover too. I'm

453
00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:46,159
Speaker 1: going down your throat. That's just the way it was.

454
00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:51,400
Speaker 1: And so and that that offensive line got better and better,

455
00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:54,120
Speaker 1: massive massive.

456
00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:54,720
Speaker 2: Yeah.

457
00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:57,120
Speaker 1: Some people let to say I help it get better,

458
00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:59,880
Speaker 1: but yeah, but they were good.

459
00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:00,520
Speaker 2: Yeah.

460
00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:03,200
Speaker 5: So when I was in Chicago, we were the I

461
00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:06,000
Speaker 5: guess you could call us the defensive triplets, myself, Brian

462
00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:07,280
Speaker 5: ar lacro and Land Spriggs.

463
00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:09,160
Speaker 1: And it was it was cool.

464
00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:12,280
Speaker 5: I was like the third the third triplet. You know,

465
00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:14,439
Speaker 5: I got I got some love. I didn't get all

466
00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:15,440
Speaker 5: the love, but I was cool with it.

467
00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:18,440
Speaker 2: I played my part. I knew my role. So was yourself.

468
00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:23,720
Speaker 2: Troy Aikman, Mark l Irvin. What was your relationship like?

469
00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:29,840
Speaker 5: Because we could say officer players the divas at times, right,

470
00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:32,520
Speaker 5: some guy gets a wide receivers more, wide receivers more,

471
00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:35,440
Speaker 5: but you know, some people want a little bit more attention. Right,

472
00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:40,520
Speaker 5: So you got three Hall of Famers, three monsters, three dogs.

473
00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:45,200
Speaker 5: What was the relationship like, did y'all ever feel two questions?

474
00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:47,800
Speaker 5: What was what was the relationship like? And then second

475
00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:50,440
Speaker 5: one is did y'all ever feel shaded?

476
00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:50,600
Speaker 1: Like?

477
00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:52,000
Speaker 2: I wasn't getting enough attention.

478
00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:56,639
Speaker 1: Never felt that, never felt that latter part. However, the

479
00:23:56,720 --> 00:24:02,960
Speaker 1: relationship was beautiful, Yeah, beutiful. There was mutual respect, and

480
00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:10,879
Speaker 1: that mutual respect was earned because the value that Troy

481
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:13,840
Speaker 1: had for Michael, and the value that he had for

482
00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:17,960
Speaker 1: what I did in the running game, and the value

483
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:20,560
Speaker 1: that we both had, and Troy aateman, Michael and myself

484
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:24,040
Speaker 1: with his leadership all the things that was required of him.

485
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:28,640
Speaker 1: He got better, We got better. It made everybody better

486
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:32,600
Speaker 1: because now people became more accountable because they understood that

487
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:39,280
Speaker 1: with that that three headed monster, we get rolling. We

488
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:42,080
Speaker 1: all get to enjoy in this success. We may not

489
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:45,280
Speaker 1: get get all the attention, but that wasn't even the

490
00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:47,320
Speaker 1: problem on the team. That the problem is everybody got

491
00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:50,400
Speaker 1: attention on the team. Everybody had their own shows. Even

492
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:52,600
Speaker 1: Kenny Gint had his own show. He was on the

493
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:55,919
Speaker 1: special teams, Bill Bates had his own show, Troy Michael,

494
00:24:56,000 --> 00:25:00,480
Speaker 1: everybody enjoyed in the success of everything that we and

495
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:05,080
Speaker 1: so there was no animosity amongst players business wise. If

496
00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:08,120
Speaker 1: there was any discrepancy, it was with ownership. It wasn't

497
00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:10,640
Speaker 1: with players. And players are never disappointed at another player

498
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:13,920
Speaker 1: get paid. Never I want you to get your money.

499
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:15,400
Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, I don't want

500
00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:17,440
Speaker 1: them to mistreat you neither. I want them to treat

501
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:20,160
Speaker 1: you like you deserve to be treated. And it ain't

502
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:22,520
Speaker 1: nothing against the players. Sometimes it's against the against the

503
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:25,600
Speaker 1: organization absolutely how they treat players. And so for us,

504
00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:30,679
Speaker 1: I think that's why we still have such a strong

505
00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:34,080
Speaker 1: bond right now to this day, because there was never

506
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:38,760
Speaker 1: any animosity amongst us. And I saw Derrel Johnson yesterday,

507
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:42,800
Speaker 1: so you know, yeah, so that love that we share

508
00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:45,000
Speaker 1: for each other, it is this still to this day.

509
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,280
Speaker 5: At what point did you realize the three of you,

510
00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:51,480
Speaker 5: like yo, we could be iconic like this, we could

511
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:53,280
Speaker 5: be a three headed monster. At what point was there

512
00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:55,680
Speaker 5: was there a play was there a season? At what

513
00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:57,760
Speaker 5: point did you just know that we we.

514
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:04,240
Speaker 1: You know, you talk about we talked about it early,

515
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:10,479
Speaker 1: building the confidence and everything else. I think our our

516
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,920
Speaker 1: first year with North Turner, we go eleven to five.

517
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:18,240
Speaker 1: After going seven and nine, we go eleven to five,

518
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:22,760
Speaker 1: make the playoff, play the Bears in Chicago first round

519
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 1: of playoffs. We went out of their first playoff game.

520
00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:28,840
Speaker 1: We go to Detroit and get beat by Barry Sanders

521
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 1: and he make this crazy run against us and everything

522
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 1: else close the game out. But I don't think we

523
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:41,879
Speaker 1: felt disappointed. I think we felt encouraged and empowered. I

524
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:44,920
Speaker 1: think when as we came back, when we came back

525
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:48,400
Speaker 1: from Detroit, you can hear the murmuring on the plane,

526
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:50,160
Speaker 1: this won't happen next year. We're going all the way.

527
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:53,920
Speaker 1: We know what we're doing now. And I think that

528
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:59,320
Speaker 1: is what was building, was that confidence within the team.

529
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 1: We knew what we had to do because they had

530
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 1: seen they seen the running game lead the league in Russian,

531
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:12,720
Speaker 1: They seen Troy and Michael do what they did in

532
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:14,879
Speaker 1: the air. They seen the number of Pro Bowlers that

533
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:17,440
Speaker 1: we started to have. So when you start to see

534
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 1: these things starting to happen, you're like, Okay, something special

535
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 1: is happening right now, and we don't want it to change.

536
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 1: So every man on that team felt an obligation to

537
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:29,160
Speaker 1: be physically ready.

538
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:31,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, a little bit better, It'll be a little bit better.

539
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:33,520
Speaker 1: Let's go make it better. And so the next year,

540
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:37,159
Speaker 1: because we did, went to the NFC Championship game and

541
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 1: what and they went to the Super Bowl and what.

542
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 1: So things were starting to happen. And when you recognize

543
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:48,639
Speaker 1: and Unfortunately, some of us believe that these moments like this,

544
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 1: it's gonna last forever.

545
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:53,359
Speaker 2: We got it because it happened fast. It happened fast.

546
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:56,119
Speaker 4: I don't think I realized it happened that fast. I

547
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 4: didn't either, like you're one, uh, then your two's like

548
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 4: boom oh, and then your three super Bowl and now

549
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 4: we're rolling.

550
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 1: We're gone off and rolling. It happened just that quick.

551
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:11,440
Speaker 1: But look at the strategic changes and moves that were made.

552
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 1: First one bringing on Jimmy Johnson and Jerry Jones in

553
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:20,240
Speaker 1: eighty nine, going through that one and fifteen season, Jimmy

554
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 1: trying to figure out what he has. This is the

555
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:27,480
Speaker 1: mark of a mergers and acquisition guy. This is a mindset.

556
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 1: Change the environment, change the culture. We want to win,

557
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 1: and we got to win at all costs. Fifteen did

558
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 1: not say winning. So revolving door start to happen, playing

559
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 1: b free agency, rolling around, Tredy, Herscha Walker, get all

560
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 1: these picks, boom. We got to pick right. We got

561
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 1: to make good decisions. They made great decisions. They brought

562
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 1: in players, and they worked out with the drafts and

563
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 1: everything else. Traded picks away, get more picks, Boomo Boom

564
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 1: still had a revolving door around going around. In ninety Boom,

565
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 1: make another change. Let's get the offensive coordinated and to

566
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:06,959
Speaker 1: get these guys the ball strategic moves that stabilized everything.

567
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 1: Once that got stabilized, you didn't see many more moves.

568
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 1: It was like, Okay, we got what we gont got now.

569
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 1: I don't think we can do is upgrade through the

570
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 1: draft and improve in certain areas. Blah blah blah blah blah.

571
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 1: I got my guys, we're rolling win the Super Bowl.

572
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 1: You solidified that you have your guys, you have your team,

573
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 1: you have your coaches, you have your office, you have

574
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 1: everything that you need. Why change keep it going. So

575
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 1: that's the way I look at it.

576
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:38,160
Speaker 5: We're gonna take a short break and we'll be right back.

577
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 4: I want to ask you about a game that sticks

578
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 4: out to a lot of people, and that is the

579
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 4: shoulder separation game, where you you separate your shoulder, you

580
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 4: go out the game. I don't know if you got

581
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 4: shot up.

582
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 1: I did care, I didn't.

583
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 2: You was like no, I'm good, and then you went back.

584
00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:59,719
Speaker 1: I didn't learn about tour it all till my last year.

585
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 1: There's on the.

586
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 2: Cardinals late in the game.

587
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 4: Was so late late in the game, so best thing

588
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:11,720
Speaker 4: since sliced bread. I didn't know that, but yeah, talk

589
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 4: to me, go about that, Explain what happened to hit,

590
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 4: what caused it, and then I got to get back

591
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 4: and then eventually you guys going to win the game.

592
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 1: Well, this was January, the second last game of the season,

593
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 1: I believe in ninety three something like that, last game

594
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:37,960
Speaker 1: of the season, and it was an important game for

595
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 1: us to win to secure home fill. Event there we

596
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 1: go and so and I'm trying to get this this

597
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 1: Russian director listen, but Letsten not make any bones by

598
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 1: this would be like rushing title number two. And so

599
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 1: after missing the first two games of the season, I

600
00:30:57,680 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 1: didn't want I mean, period, this is this was an

601
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 1: important game. So all of that was on the line.

602
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 1: Right before the half, probably five or six minutes before

603
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 1: the half, we do what we call the inside draw

604
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 1: trap or something like that. Put my bus set open

605
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 1: for long twenty five thirty forty yard run and I'm

606
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 1: getting tackled and it's cold up in the meadow lands.

607
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 1: I land on my shoulder, boom on that astra turf.

608
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 1: Immediately I feel something just my arm pop up like this,

609
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 1: and I know I'm hurt. I just don't know how

610
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 1: badly I'm hurt. So I come to the sideline and

611
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 1: they fill in and everything and like we gotta go

612
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:44,960
Speaker 1: get an X ray. I'm like, okay, so we go

613
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 1: get X ray. Just ready before the half, I'm leaving

614
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 1: the field. They still playing the game. Get in, get

615
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 1: all my X rays and everything else. They assessing my shoulder, like, dude,

616
00:31:56,720 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 1: you got a grade two separation, maybe a grade three separation.

617
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 1: I said, so, what does that means? It means that

618
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 1: your clavicle is running high, riding high.

619
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 4: Grade one is the least, Grade two is middle, and

620
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 4: grade three is the worst. Yes, that is to Layman's terms.

621
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 1: So Kevin O'Neill looks at me. He said, now I

622
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 1: don't need to tell you how important this game is.

623
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 1: I said, okay, I understanding. He said, now you can't

624
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 1: hurt it any worse. That's one of the things he says.

625
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, cool, if I can't hurt it any worse.

626
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 1: He said, now, are you willing to go out here

627
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 1: and try and see what you can do? I said, yeah,

628
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 1: I can do that. He said, now, do you need

629
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 1: any you want us to shoot it. I'm like, nope,

630
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 1: I don't want to shoot it because if anything goes wrong,

631
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 1: I want to I want to know what's wrong. However,

632
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 1: I will take some kind of medication. I take something.

633
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 1: So they gave me, gave me some stuff to take.

634
00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:58,720
Speaker 1: I said, so what are we gonna do? He said,

635
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 1: here's what we're gonna do. We're gonna take two knee pads.

636
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 1: We're gonna tape them together, and we're gonna cut a

637
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 1: donut and make a donut in the middle of it,

638
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 1: make a hole. And so we're gonna set it on

639
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 1: your shoulder and we're gonna tape it to your shoulder

640
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 1: so that give you a little bit more cushion. I'm like, okay,

641
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 1: So they do that, put my shoulder pads on. I

642
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 1: come back out and they say, listen, matter of fact,

643
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 1: I'm taking a step back while while I'm getting assessed.

644
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 1: North comes in, Mike comes in, and everybody comes in

645
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 1: and says, oh, we need you in this game. We

646
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 1: need you in this game. And they like Mike's like,

647
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 1: we need you to be the decoy. We ain't gonna

648
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 1: get you the ball, which need you. We want you

649
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 1: to be a decoy. They're gonna follow you and everything else.

650
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, something, I'm gonna be a decoy. I

651
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 1: go out there first play, they call us a run play,

652
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 1: and I'm looking to the side. I thought I was

653
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 1: gonna be a decoy. They have you the ball. I'm like, okay,

654
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 1: let's give it a shot.

655
00:33:57,360 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 2: I get it, take off.

656
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 1: Running, picking up three four yards. I get hit, hit

657
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 1: the ground, and I'm feeling everything everything you can possibly imagine.

658
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 1: My chest is popping like knuckles just like this. I'm bruising.

659
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:18,840
Speaker 1: I bruised my sterner. I mean just I mean just

660
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 1: feeling everything. Finally, I get to the point where I'm

661
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 1: not coming out the game. I make up my mind

662
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:28,320
Speaker 1: I'm not coming out the game, and they just study

663
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:31,719
Speaker 1: giving me the football, and I just get into the

664
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,800
Speaker 1: state of mind to where I don't hear the crowd.

665
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:39,759
Speaker 1: I only hear Troy, I hear Michael. Those only two

666
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 1: voices I hear and and Michael just hanging there. Troy

667
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 1: called Troy. I'm biting on my mouthpiece. I even got

668
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:50,239
Speaker 1: a tear coming out of my eye, and and Troy

669
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 1: looked at me and say, all right, I said, just

670
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:55,360
Speaker 1: call the play, Just call the play. And he just

671
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 1: kept calling the plays, and I just kept running, kept running,

672
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:01,839
Speaker 1: kept running because I can only I took myself back

673
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:05,879
Speaker 1: to when I was like six or seven years old,

674
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 1: playing in the park right across from my grandparents' house

675
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:11,800
Speaker 1: with my cousins who taught me the game of football itself.

676
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:14,279
Speaker 1: And I will never forget when I fell down, I

677
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:16,759
Speaker 1: scarred my mom. You know, you see blood running out.

678
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:19,800
Speaker 1: Some kids that young, they start crying. Oh, I'm believing.

679
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:23,279
Speaker 1: My cousins used to say to me and say to

680
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:25,400
Speaker 1: all of us, if you can't play with pay, you

681
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 1: can't play the game. And I just kept reciting that

682
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:33,839
Speaker 1: in my mind the whole entire second, third, and fourth quarter,

683
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,359
Speaker 1: all the way through the through through the fifth quarter,

684
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:39,720
Speaker 1: because we went over to and I just kept running.

685
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 1: Then all of a sudden, you started seeing your teammates.

686
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 1: I started hearing Nate Newton say, hey, they're piling on them,

687
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:49,800
Speaker 1: get them off them. And so when I hit the ground,

688
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 1: I go back and look at the table and see

689
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 1: some of my teammates snatching the giants off, and Lawrence

690
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:56,920
Speaker 1: Taylor's on the field too. I got Pepper Johnson out

691
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 1: do on the field. I got Leonard Marshall, all of

692
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:01,319
Speaker 1: them on the field. They got to kill me. Dag.

693
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,479
Speaker 1: They coming at me. I mean they piling on, laying

694
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 1: heavy and everything else. And I'm I'm just in my

695
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:11,839
Speaker 1: own zone, in my own zone, just making it through.

696
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 1: And then finally get to the point where I couldn't.

697
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 1: I did all I could do. I was like, and

698
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 1: this is over time. I'm like, man, y'all better kick

699
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 1: this fielder. So I come off the field and I'm

700
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 1: in pain. Uh And and Eddie Murray kicked that ball

701
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 1: through team celebrating I could. I was like, yes, finally

702
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 1: it's over. Get in the locker room. Everybody's celebrating. I'm like, yes,

703
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 1: we won playoff. I got ten days to get back ready,

704
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:50,239
Speaker 1: not knowing how bad it was. The plane ride back

705
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 1: was the worst. Was the worsted getting cold, bro I

706
00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:02,320
Speaker 1: try to knock my shoulder complete out of place because

707
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 1: it was in I wasn't that much pain. I fell

708
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:07,400
Speaker 1: asleep and I wake up in a panic because my

709
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:11,320
Speaker 1: heart was racing and just racing. I was like, this

710
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:15,759
Speaker 1: don't feel right. So I'm like it happened twice the

711
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 1: second time. Kevin O'Neil said, listen. If you want us to,

712
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 1: we can land this plane in Memphis and get you

713
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 1: into the hospital. I said, no, If I'm gonna die,

714
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:30,400
Speaker 1: let me die in Dallas. Made it back to Dallas.

715
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 1: Took me straight to the hospital from the airplane. I

716
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 1: got checked in. They put the ivs in me, and

717
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 1: I'm starting to feel a little bit better, and I'm like, yes,

718
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:46,839
Speaker 1: I can't wait to see Sports Center. Just about ten

719
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 1: fifty five, ten fifty nine rolls around. Then in it

720
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:55,919
Speaker 1: I'm out said, don't even see nothing. Don't see nothing

721
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 1: till the next morning. Yeah. I get up the next morning.

722
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:02,840
Speaker 1: I couldn't even see my traps, couldn't see my traps,

723
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 1: barely can see my chest full of fluid, full of fluid.

724
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 1: And then I started the whole process. Yeah. And they

725
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:13,719
Speaker 1: they're like, yeah, you got a grade two, grade three

726
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:20,400
Speaker 1: separation and you're gonna knee surgery. Yeah, but not right now.

727
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 1: We're gonna make it through this. And so ten days

728
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 1: went by, took the swelling down. We're getting ready to

729
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 1: play Green Bay here in Dallas. Go in, don't take

730
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 1: a shot. I'm on the football field. I get hit

731
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 1: the very first time. He's tossing to me to the

732
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:44,759
Speaker 1: left side. I make it through. I'm like, okay, they

733
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:47,879
Speaker 1: tossing to me again. Get it first down. I get

734
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:49,840
Speaker 1: hit on the other side. I'm like, ooh, I'm not

735
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:52,560
Speaker 1: on the ground like this. I'm leaning up. I look

736
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 1: Kevin O'Neal in the eyes. He looked me scared in

737
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 1: the eyes, turned his head and walked the sideline.

738
00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:57,800
Speaker 2: I ain't trying to hear it.

739
00:38:58,160 --> 00:38:58,840
Speaker 1: I ain't trying to hear it.

740
00:38:59,040 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 2: I ain't trying to hear it.

741
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:02,800
Speaker 1: Went back to the huddel called the next play played.

742
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 1: I played for about a quarter and a half and

743
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 1: I got caught by Bryce Pup safety. Yeah, the outside linebacker.

744
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 1: He blitzed, got caught on the wrong shoulder. Hit that shoulder.

745
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 1: I was out. Blair Thomas, I believe came in or

746
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 1: somebody came in to back me up. After that, we

747
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:25,759
Speaker 1: end up winning the game, thank goodness we did. The

748
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 1: next week, we end up playing NFL uh playing in

749
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:31,280
Speaker 1: the NFC Championship game against San fran here in Dallas.

750
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 1: I said Kevin O'Neil, I got two games left. Shoot

751
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 1: his mother brother up. Shoot it up. I know what

752
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:41,839
Speaker 1: I felt last week. Shoot it up. He shot it up.

753
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:45,279
Speaker 1: They shot it up and boom. It was feeling good.

754
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:49,719
Speaker 1: I think whatever they shot it with, the information in

755
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:53,840
Speaker 1: the joint calmed down so much to where I was like, Okay,

756
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:57,319
Speaker 1: I can make this. Yeah, and even after the game,

757
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:01,759
Speaker 1: it wasn't that bad. Go to Super this last game,

758
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 1: shoot it up, shout out one more time when out there.

759
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 1: Play the Bills in that second Super Bowl in Atlanta,

760
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 1: end up being MVP. Two days later, I'm in Birmingham

761
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 1: with doctor James Andrews getting cut on getting cut on

762
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:18,879
Speaker 1: getting the show to fix. That's how all that went down.

763
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:23,840
Speaker 2: Man, what an adventure. There was an adventure, a journey

764
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 2: the super Bowl. Yeah, grats of the Super Bowl and

765
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 2: the mindset though, I like how you just not took

766
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:32,799
Speaker 2: it back to the childhood. Eh, you can't play with pain. Yeah,

767
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 2: that's what I did to play again.

768
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:38,320
Speaker 1: I mean literally, I went back to my childhood and

769
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:41,760
Speaker 1: went back to that moment. And the funny thing about

770
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 1: it my cousins who taught me the game. Yeah, three

771
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:47,399
Speaker 1: of them were in the stands that day.

772
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 2: Now have you have you ever expressed that to them?

773
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 1: Like what I talked to them recently because I was

774
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:59,359
Speaker 1: at their mom's funeral, and we were over at one

775
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:01,439
Speaker 1: of my cousins house and we were sitting around talking

776
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:05,320
Speaker 1: and they were we were reminiscent. Yeah and uh, And

777
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 1: I told them told them about that game. We talked

778
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 1: about it and everything. They was there, They remember it

779
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:13,360
Speaker 1: and I told them what I went through. They couldn't

780
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 1: believe it. Wow, because I don't tell that story that often. Yeah,

781
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 1: but when people ask, yeah, it was one of my

782
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:22,400
Speaker 1: most defining moments in the game of football.

783
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 2: Yeah.

784
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 1: I like that.

785
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 5: I want to get into your second act now, So

786
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 5: real estate, construction, solar tech, NASCAR. Can I get a

787
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 5: general overview of just the businesses that you're you're involved in?

788
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 5: Like how do you pick the businesses that you want

789
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:42,360
Speaker 5: to be a part of.

790
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:46,319
Speaker 1: First and foremost. I'm gonna start with the real estate

791
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 1: and construction because that platform itself is a vertically integrated

792
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 1: platform through four and three solutions, which is the development

793
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 1: arm of what I do, along with the energy component

794
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 1: of what we do and the brokers services component. When

795
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:11,399
Speaker 1: I retired in five, I started in the real estate

796
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 1: development business, UH with the company that was associated with

797
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:18,920
Speaker 1: the Starback Company. Roger Starbuck ushered me into this relationship

798
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:25,239
Speaker 1: through that platform, Starback was on the broken services side

799
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:29,359
Speaker 1: tenor rep business, and I learned that business by being

800
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:32,320
Speaker 1: associated on the development side, because everything that we developed,

801
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 1: the Starback company came back in and filled it up

802
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 1: with the tenants. So there was a complete relationship between

803
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 1: the two brokers. You on one side, development on the

804
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:48,359
Speaker 1: other side. And so I was on the development side

805
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 1: where Roger wanted me to be on the broken side,

806
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 1: and I did. I just wanted to build things, and

807
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 1: so learning that and putting together pro former for retail

808
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 1: shopping centers, learning mixed use before mixed use started to

809
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:06,359
Speaker 1: become as popular as it is right now. Through that relationship,

810
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 1: as well as understanding how a real estate salesperson interact

811
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 1: with these type of things, I started putting together performers.

812
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:18,920
Speaker 1: I start looking at the construction numbers, what is going

813
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 1: to cost to build these things? I started looking at

814
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 1: the highways and byways and having right here in Dallas

815
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 1: from the construction standpoint that we talked about earlier, all

816
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:29,239
Speaker 1: the way up here to Prosper and everything else. And

817
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:32,319
Speaker 1: I saw a tremendous opportunity on the construction side as well,

818
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:35,320
Speaker 1: because there weren't many minority people playing in that space,

819
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 1: and so I wanted to play in that space because

820
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:42,320
Speaker 1: of what I was doing on the development stuff and

821
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 1: what I was seeing on the construction stuff. So I

822
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 1: developed a vertically integrated solutions company that does development broker

823
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:57,800
Speaker 1: services as well as solar energy and a construction company.

824
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 1: So I'm touching every vertical that's in the real estate

825
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:06,280
Speaker 1: space just about because everything that you do and everything

826
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:08,360
Speaker 1: that you touch has a form of real estate to it,

827
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 1: and everything that has a form of real estate to

828
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:16,839
Speaker 1: it has to have some kind of infrastructure on it. Now,

829
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:18,920
Speaker 1: if you're in the rural lands, you just got cows

830
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 1: and so forth, but you still don't have to have

831
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 1: a barn or something that has to be built some

832
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 1: kind of way, shape, or form. So construction is going

833
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:27,360
Speaker 1: to play a part and just about everything that we do,

834
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:30,759
Speaker 1: every building has a form of construction tied to it

835
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 1: one way or the other. And so I wanted to

836
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:35,759
Speaker 1: build a platform to where if you said no to me,

837
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:37,319
Speaker 1: you said no because you didn't want to.

838
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:40,239
Speaker 2: Do business with them, and Smith what we didn't have

839
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 2: the service.

840
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:42,440
Speaker 1: It's not because we didn't have the service or we

841
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:46,319
Speaker 1: did not have the capabilities. And so doing that part

842
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 1: of it made all the sense in the world to me,

843
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 1: and that was one way to control my own destiny. Now,

844
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 1: hiring the right people is key to anything. Like I

845
00:44:57,080 --> 00:45:00,200
Speaker 1: talked about North Turner coming in and bringing in that

846
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 1: system that allowed us to develop as players and win

847
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 1: Super Bowls and become the Triplets, It's the same thing

848
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:12,319
Speaker 1: that's required whether I'm on the development side, whether I'm

849
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 1: on the broker services side, or whether I'm doing energy

850
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 1: or what I'm doing construction. All those things required in

851
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:24,440
Speaker 1: every aspect of what you do. Processes and procedures, Just

852
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 1: being able to plan right, evaluating every opportunity, coming to

853
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:32,320
Speaker 1: a go no go decision, All of that's part of

854
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:39,279
Speaker 1: the ingredients that goes into making things work. And so

855
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:42,839
Speaker 1: that's how I got into the business. I was looking

856
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 1: at real estate way before I actually started it. I

857
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 1: leaned on Roger and I leaned on Magic to help

858
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 1: me understand because Magic was doing urban stuff back when

859
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:58,279
Speaker 1: I was playing. And so I took two Titans, if

860
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 1: you will, and I got a chance to spend a

861
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 1: lot of time with those two.

862
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 5: Now you sat with Jerry too, though I heard I

863
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 5: sapt my whole thirteen years and my whole entire career

864
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:09,840
Speaker 5: has been with Jerry.

865
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:13,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, the whole entire thing. And so even when you

866
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:17,759
Speaker 1: think about the Cowboys, people think about the Cowboys as

867
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 1: been the most valuable franchise on the planet, which it is.

868
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:25,279
Speaker 2: What makes it valuable, it's all the everything that you get.

869
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 4: It's the stateum in Arlington. Yes, it's right here where

870
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:30,359
Speaker 4: we're at, right now, where the Star is. It's those

871
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:31,880
Speaker 4: decisions that's what's made it.

872
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:35,920
Speaker 1: Yes, because of you talking real estate plays. Yeah, you

873
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 1: talking about construction plays. Things that involve construction and real estate.

874
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 1: So you can't build that billion dollar stadium over there

875
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 1: with I have in some kind of construction numbers tied

876
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 1: to it in concrete and steel and everything else that's required.

877
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:52,440
Speaker 1: You cannot build this the Star right here that has

878
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 1: nothing but mixed uses where you have doctor Pepper behind

879
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 1: you in the office. That's probably about it, close to

880
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:00,799
Speaker 1: about a million square feet, if not half a million

881
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 1: square feet. I think it's about a million square feet.

882
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:04,920
Speaker 1: And you got the headquarters, and you got everything else

883
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:07,239
Speaker 1: that's tied to the Ford Center and everything else around it.

884
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:12,400
Speaker 1: All of the infrastructure, roads and everything else requires concrete, steel, rebar,

885
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 1: all kinds of stuff. And so when you break it

886
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:20,880
Speaker 1: down and you're looking at the numbers from land acquisition,

887
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 1: architecture renderings, the construction budgets to build what you just architect,

888
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:32,840
Speaker 1: which you just designed, there's a profomer for it and

889
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 1: there's a model for it. And so it's the same

890
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 1: model that we use on the offensive side of the ball.

891
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 1: We run and we passed.

892
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:43,399
Speaker 4: I want to know this though, because you you name

893
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 4: drop Magic Johnson, and I mean Magic was doing great things.

894
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:52,760
Speaker 4: I mean he had all the movie theaters, Starbucks, Starbucks

895
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 4: with the Applebee's or he had enough. Yeah, and now

896
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:01,319
Speaker 4: he's the face of a couple of different organizations at

897
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 4: the Dodgers and also the Commanders, and being a part

898
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:07,799
Speaker 4: of that whole group, how did you guys like get

899
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 4: to know each other?

900
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:12,160
Speaker 2: How did that relationships? I reached out, Okay, I reached out.

901
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 1: Of course. The second Super Bowl, we're playing in Atlanta,

902
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:20,719
Speaker 1: and it's like on a Wednesday night, I believe it was,

903
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:23,439
Speaker 1: there's a party hosted at the hard Rock or something

904
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:27,720
Speaker 1: like that, or playing in Hollywood.

905
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:30,840
Speaker 4: Because football and basketball players don't really cross past that

906
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 4: much and those people don't.

907
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:33,360
Speaker 2: Know that well.

908
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 1: My paths crossed with a.

909
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:37,920
Speaker 5: Lot of Okay, you want a different listen me on

910
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:41,520
Speaker 5: a different level, but your celebrity is like way higher

911
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 5: than me, and we ain't that ain't us.

912
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 1: Here's the funny part. So we're in Atlanta week of

913
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:49,719
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, get me to play the Bills, and

914
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:51,720
Speaker 1: it's like on a Wednesday night and there's a party

915
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:53,800
Speaker 1: going on at the Planet Hollywood or something like that.

916
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:57,279
Speaker 1: So I'm walking the red carpet by myself and I'm

917
00:48:57,360 --> 00:48:58,759
Speaker 1: talking to the press and all of a sudden, I

918
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:01,800
Speaker 1: hit this commotion coming up behind me. I turn around

919
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:07,360
Speaker 1: and it's both MJ's. It's Magic Johnson and Michael Jordan

920
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:12,799
Speaker 1: coming down and I'm like, oh snap, and I'm like cool,

921
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 1: we dap up. They said, man, congratulations, I want to

922
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:18,320
Speaker 1: see you run that rock. So they said let's go in.

923
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 1: So I walk in with them, and I started a

924
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 1: relationship right then and there with those guys. And then

925
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:26,160
Speaker 1: I were running to Michael every now and then. A

926
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:29,279
Speaker 1: couple of golf tournaments out in the not Tall Hope

927
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:32,399
Speaker 1: but Palm Springs, the Bob Hope. We used to play

928
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:33,840
Speaker 1: in the bib Hole Classic and all that stuff, and

929
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:35,719
Speaker 1: I run into Magic every now and and now and

930
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 1: again to in La and we just just became friends.

931
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:43,440
Speaker 1: And so when I needed something, I called him to

932
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 1: want to talk to him. I need your advice, I

933
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:50,279
Speaker 1: need your wisdom. And so you seek what you want.

934
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 1: You want information normally seek it. A person that's seeking

935
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:57,400
Speaker 1: it is fertile ground. That's why athletes need to humble

936
00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:01,880
Speaker 1: themselves and just be able to go in ask people

937
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:06,279
Speaker 1: for help and for information because they've been there, they've

938
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 1: done it, and they then made mistakes, and they trying

939
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:11,840
Speaker 1: to help you not make or repeat the same mistakes

940
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 1: that they make. That's really what the intent is. And

941
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 1: most of these, most of us athletes are giving people anyway.

942
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 1: You grew up with the whole notion, never forget where

943
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:27,120
Speaker 1: you come from. Always give a help in hand to

944
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:30,880
Speaker 1: someone else, reached back. Right, That's the way we grew up.

945
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:35,680
Speaker 1: So why would you think any otherwise. That's our superpower.

946
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 1: And that's what I'm talking about. When I was with

947
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:41,160
Speaker 1: the Cardinals for those two years, exactly for those two

948
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:44,680
Speaker 1: years giving back because I can't take all of this

949
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:46,960
Speaker 1: knowledge with me, and if I do take it with me,

950
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 1: it's going in the ground with me. It ain't gonna

951
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:50,839
Speaker 1: do the ground any good. The ground is not gonna

952
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:53,560
Speaker 1: talk to you, but I can, and I can give

953
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:55,680
Speaker 1: you some of the things that I've gone through. And

954
00:50:55,760 --> 00:51:00,520
Speaker 1: that's with Magic and Michael and Roger Starback, Includingarry Jones.

955
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 1: That's what they've done for me.

956
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 2: That's awesome. Yeah, I got one for you.

957
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:10,040
Speaker 5: Investing in yourself after football is more critical than investing

958
00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:12,080
Speaker 5: in others while you're playing football.

959
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:20,480
Speaker 1: You're absolutely right expand upon that because when you're investing

960
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:22,920
Speaker 1: in yourself, you know what I mean, I ain't talking

961
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:29,719
Speaker 1: about buying new Lamborghini. When you're investing in continuing continuation

962
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:33,480
Speaker 1: of education or you're going to get a certificate in

963
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:37,759
Speaker 1: a certain skill set. You put in that time, you

964
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:41,080
Speaker 1: put in that work, you put it that effort, and

965
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:44,600
Speaker 1: you expect something to come back. You are in control

966
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:49,600
Speaker 1: of what comes back. Learning the real estate game, I

967
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:52,160
Speaker 1: had to go immerse myself into the business, and I

968
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:55,520
Speaker 1: had to immerse myself through ccim TO, which is the

969
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:59,919
Speaker 1: institute that taught me about the hours, the time, value money,

970
00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:03,480
Speaker 1: how to put deals together, how to analyze trade areas

971
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:05,840
Speaker 1: and everything else. I had to immerse myself in it

972
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:10,520
Speaker 1: to understand now when I look at a site, how

973
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:13,239
Speaker 1: to evaluate the site, how to get to a go

974
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:17,719
Speaker 1: no go decision. That's me. That's me putting time in.

975
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 1: That's me going back to the University of Florida. That's

976
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:22,279
Speaker 1: me going to get this education and everything else. And

977
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:24,920
Speaker 1: with the NFL programs that they have today, whether you

978
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:26,480
Speaker 1: can go to Harvard or whether you go to Warden's

979
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:31,520
Speaker 1: Business School, all those things are accessible if they were

980
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:34,200
Speaker 1: accessible in the nineties. To me, I probably have done

981
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:37,560
Speaker 1: it in the nineties. So if I can go if

982
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:42,320
Speaker 1: I knew then what I know now, who claude have

983
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:46,719
Speaker 1: mersed it? And here's a beautiful thing. We have the

984
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:50,560
Speaker 1: ability to parlay each other and come together on some

985
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:53,320
Speaker 1: of these things. Access is really the key to a

986
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 1: lot of this. Access to information, access to people, access

987
00:52:57,040 --> 00:53:00,280
Speaker 1: to opportunities, access access, that's what we talk ab about.

988
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:04,560
Speaker 1: Access and exposure. You put those two things together with

989
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:08,360
Speaker 1: the right people, you can accomplish a lot. And so

990
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:12,560
Speaker 1: to me, that's what I mean by investing in oneself

991
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:15,040
Speaker 1: because and I was just talking to a guy last

992
00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:20,280
Speaker 1: night at dinner about this cash flow. Will you share

993
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:25,360
Speaker 1: your cash flow with families? That's a different thing because

994
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:28,200
Speaker 1: you're not touching your principle. It's true, you're going to

995
00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:32,640
Speaker 1: always have your principle, but cash flow itself is extremely

996
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:35,360
Speaker 1: critical to any one's success.

997
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:41,040
Speaker 5: So with all the access and information and exposure that

998
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:45,640
Speaker 5: you've been exposed to, if you had four people to

999
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:49,400
Speaker 5: put on Mount Rushmore, four people of influence from the

1000
00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:52,480
Speaker 5: day you were born till today right now, just.

1001
00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:55,959
Speaker 2: Four, just four, that's it. Yeah, it's not an easy question.

1002
00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:57,840
Speaker 5: It's like the top one hundred. It wasn't easy for

1003
00:53:57,880 --> 00:53:59,480
Speaker 5: them to get to pick the top one hundred, but.

1004
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:05,000
Speaker 1: You had one hundred to go to in the entire world.

1005
00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:07,799
Speaker 1: That's impacted my life in Okay.

1006
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:10,279
Speaker 5: Yeah, you get four and have impacted your life. That

1007
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:14,080
Speaker 5: has given you access and information and just knowledge. Who

1008
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:17,400
Speaker 5: would those four people be? Now's your Mount Rushmore is yours?

1009
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:21,560
Speaker 1: Yeah? I get it. I get it, But all due respect,

1010
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:29,360
Speaker 1: I have to put my parents there first. And the

1011
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:34,200
Speaker 1: reason why is because one they taught me what I knew.

1012
00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:40,440
Speaker 1: Then they also gave me the drive and the motivation

1013
00:54:40,719 --> 00:54:44,640
Speaker 1: to pursue things that I wanted to pursue. My mom

1014
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:47,399
Speaker 1: told me I can accomplish almost anything in the world

1015
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:49,279
Speaker 1: if I just put my mind, body, and soul to it,

1016
00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:56,080
Speaker 1: which I truly believed, and they gave I got the

1017
00:54:56,120 --> 00:55:02,440
Speaker 1: appreciation of what lack was and how to earn what

1018
00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:05,440
Speaker 1: I want, So I will put them there.

1019
00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:08,560
Speaker 2: That's important. That's very important, so important that that is.

1020
00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:12,359
Speaker 1: The foundation of drive, that's the foundation of will, that's

1021
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:15,680
Speaker 1: the foundation of prayer, that's the foundation of spirituality, and

1022
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:18,760
Speaker 1: everything is in all how seeing how it all comes together.

1023
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 1: The other one, I would say Dwight Thomas, because he

1024
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:31,120
Speaker 1: set the foundation for goal setting and talk to us

1025
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:35,239
Speaker 1: about seeing yourself being with who you want to become,

1026
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:39,640
Speaker 1: visualizing the things that you want to do, putting all

1027
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:42,000
Speaker 1: those things into practice, working hard and all that. He

1028
00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:52,120
Speaker 1: set that foundation. I would say Jerry Jones. And the

1029
00:55:52,200 --> 00:55:58,840
Speaker 1: reason why because he was so open with everything and

1030
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:01,960
Speaker 1: I got a chance to learn, earn and see how

1031
00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:09,440
Speaker 1: the Cowboys capitalize on leveraging who the Cowboys was the

1032
00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:10,440
Speaker 1: king of leverage.

1033
00:56:11,560 --> 00:56:12,120
Speaker 4: And then.

1034
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:19,280
Speaker 1: From Jerry the fourth person, I would say Roger Startback.

1035
00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:24,040
Speaker 1: And the reason why I would say that is because

1036
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:30,560
Speaker 1: Roger in that environment showed me how these things can

1037
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:33,960
Speaker 1: actually work together, how they all.

1038
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:36,319
Speaker 2: He helped complete the roadmap for He.

1039
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:41,080
Speaker 1: Helped complete the road map, complete it, and now it's

1040
00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:46,160
Speaker 1: about execution. Now. You only gave me limits. Now, Jordan,

1041
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:52,160
Speaker 1: Jordan has given me the ability to say, Okay, I'm

1042
00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:54,840
Speaker 1: gonna give wisdomhere, wisdom wants. I'm not gonna be chasing

1043
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:58,600
Speaker 1: to give information to people that don't want it. Magic

1044
00:56:58,719 --> 00:57:01,040
Speaker 1: helped me negotiate my deal with the Stop that company.

1045
00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:05,279
Speaker 1: He helped me negotiate that one. And Magic has been

1046
00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:06,040
Speaker 1: an influence.

1047
00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:08,439
Speaker 4: What was that conversation? Like, like, what what was something

1048
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:10,839
Speaker 4: he told you that was like I probably never even

1049
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:11,560
Speaker 4: thought about what do.

1050
00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:14,320
Speaker 1: I need to have. I don't know what to ask for.

1051
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:20,840
Speaker 1: Make sure that you have equity, all of the equity

1052
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:23,200
Speaker 1: that you can get personally. Then make sure that you

1053
00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:26,960
Speaker 1: have h investment capital on the side, so whenever you

1054
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:32,560
Speaker 1: find a deal, the money's already there. And make sure

1055
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:35,000
Speaker 1: this this and this and other couple of other things.

1056
00:57:35,560 --> 00:57:40,240
Speaker 1: So but I think that wisdom that he shared with

1057
00:57:40,360 --> 00:57:44,720
Speaker 1: me and all of them has helped me be in

1058
00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:47,440
Speaker 1: a position that I'm in right now. That's awesome.

1059
00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:48,840
Speaker 2: That's a great group to be around.

1060
00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:53,880
Speaker 4: That's yeah, I can't even Yeah, you naturally get better

1061
00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:55,240
Speaker 4: when you around that group.

1062
00:57:55,840 --> 00:57:58,480
Speaker 1: You can't help but get better. You naturally get help,

1063
00:57:58,560 --> 00:58:01,160
Speaker 1: but learn. I mean, as as I heard, I think

1064
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:05,240
Speaker 1: it was Pittbull says, you show me the company you keep,

1065
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:07,720
Speaker 1: I'm gonna show you the knowledge that you actually have.

1066
00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:12,000
Speaker 1: Pretty much it was it was I'm paraphrasing, it's something

1067
00:58:12,040 --> 00:58:16,520
Speaker 1: of that, not that that that nature, and so that's

1068
00:58:16,560 --> 00:58:20,920
Speaker 1: important to be around people that are going places, uh,

1069
00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:23,920
Speaker 1: and people that don't necessarily think like you think outside

1070
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:26,880
Speaker 1: the box. Because you're around the same people that's thinking

1071
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:29,280
Speaker 1: the same way, you're gonna get the same things. But

1072
00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:33,040
Speaker 1: the challenge ones thought, including my own thoughts and challenging

1073
00:58:33,160 --> 00:58:37,760
Speaker 1: other people thoughts, uh, is really what iron shopping and

1074
00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:40,520
Speaker 1: iron is all about. It's what football is all about.

1075
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:44,200
Speaker 1: I mean safety corner however you want to look at it.

1076
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:48,520
Speaker 1: Two different roles, but they both are very meaningful information

1077
00:58:48,720 --> 00:58:52,520
Speaker 1: that shared between the two. Hey, I'm about the corner crash. Well,

1078
00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:53,880
Speaker 1: I'm blissing you on your own.

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Speaker 2: I did talk to you though, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: We are a communications man.

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Speaker 4: Thanks so much for sharing and giving us all these stories. Man,

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Speaker 4: this was beautiful.

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Speaker 2: I mean, we don't.

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Speaker 4: It's just not every so often when you get to

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Speaker 4: meet legendary football players greatness and then get to really

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Speaker 4: focus and hear their whole journey about what they're doing

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Speaker 4: their second acting. It's been just as great, and not

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Speaker 4: everybody gets to know that, but we all do and

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Speaker 4: shout out to you as well for you know, for

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Speaker 4: all the records that you have and all the other

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Speaker 4: success you had that really and truthfully you have really

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Speaker 4: affected the NFL game forever because you started the whole

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Speaker 4: not taking off your helmet rule so because we just

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Speaker 4: couldn't get enough of em Smith's face.

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Speaker 2: So we're gonna pull the helmet off and make sure

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Speaker 2: everybody knows.

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Speaker 4: Who Emma Smith is, who now became later on the

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Speaker 4: Dancing with the Stars star and all the other great

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Speaker 4: things that you got to accomplish in your life.

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Speaker 1: Hey man, thank you. But like I started when I

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Speaker 1: was a kid, people Roger and Rogers st backing on

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Speaker 1: that TV too. I saw Roger so magic and that's

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Speaker 1: our MJ transition from the game people that we know

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Speaker 1: and so they showed us how, and they have shown

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Speaker 1: us how, and now people around NFL, NBA, MLB people

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Speaker 1: are doing great jobs in terms of transitioning and taking

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Speaker 1: advantage of the platform. We just need to do more

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Speaker 1: things together.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely absolutely. We appreciate you.

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Speaker 1: No, thank you guys, thank you very much.

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Speaker 4: All right, man, We'll look for all of our viewers

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Speaker 4: and listeners out there, man, especially all our big Cowboys fans.

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Speaker 4: you give us a five star rating. Wherever you pick

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Speaker 4: follow everything.

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Speaker 2: That Peanut just said.

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Speaker 4: Man, make sure you tell a friend to tell a

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Speaker 4: friend to do what you tell a friend, and listen

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Speaker 4: to us, man, check out check out our NFL.

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Speaker 2: YouTube channels we can catch all to get us out.

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Speaker 2: Boes on Peanut, that's wrong. That's it. And this is

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Speaker 2: the NFL Player's second act pole past we Out

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Speaker 1: Loses