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Speaker 2: I want to talk about crittersan cars. Hello and welcome.

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Speaker 2: I always love a crittersan car car repair. Is that

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Speaker 2: correct English? Yeah? Critisan car, Yeah, critician car A criticisan

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Speaker 2: car car repair. Let's dwell on that for a second. Ken,

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Speaker 2: I don't have time, Tom jelling at we have way

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Speaker 2: too many calls this hour. Criticism cars are just interesting.

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Speaker 2: And you know the fun part is it's it's especially

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Speaker 2: like it when you get a critician car car repair.

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Speaker 2: That's sort of like cheap underwear. It creeps up on

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Speaker 2: you when you least expect it. It just it just did.

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Speaker 2: We had this fourteen Honda Accord this week at the

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Speaker 2: shop and it had two fault codes. It had a

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Speaker 2: P twenty one five, which is a throttle blader I'm sorry,

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Speaker 2: a throttle actuat or control circuit fault. And it had

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Speaker 2: a peive see I think it was, or a P

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Speaker 2: fourteen fifty five manufacturer specific fault which was purge valve related.

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Speaker 2: So I have a throttle body fault and I have

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Speaker 2: a purge valve event fault. And you know they're about

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Speaker 2: is the opposite end of the spectrum. There's there's no

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Speaker 2: continuity between the two. When I asked the customer when

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Speaker 2: did this happen? Did they how long has the light

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Speaker 2: been on? The answer I got, oh, it just came

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Speaker 2: on the other day, which really left me scratching my head.

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Speaker 2: Now I'm questioning, and I'm still questioning. Is the customer

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Speaker 2: accurate in their in their statement? Did they not see it?

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Speaker 2: How long was it on because the two really have

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Speaker 2: no connection other than the fact that they're on the

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Speaker 2: same vehicle. The twenty one oh five was easy enough

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Speaker 2: that there's fault codes and or there's fault codes and

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Speaker 2: bulletins and known diagnostic routines that you go through. And

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Speaker 2: sure enough, on this one hundred and fifty five thousand

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Speaker 2: mile accord, the throttle plate was so dirty, so dirty,

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Speaker 2: lack of maintenance, and that's usually when you see the

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Speaker 2: throttle body fault codes, and it costs you in the

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Speaker 2: long run. That the throttle plate actually stuck in the housing.

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Speaker 2: There was such a ridge of carbon, and I get

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Speaker 2: fussy when I see that, I will take it apart.

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Speaker 2: I have to take it off, and I look at

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Speaker 2: the backside. The backside of the throttle plate had actually

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Speaker 2: way more carbon on it than the front. It was

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Speaker 2: really accumulated, and when I cleaned it there was a

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Speaker 2: notch in the throttle housing. That hard carbon had beat

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Speaker 2: up the aluminum and over time it had dug a

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Speaker 2: groove in the form of a ring around it. So

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Speaker 2: I replaced the throttle body. I'm not doing this three times,

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Speaker 2: and we want to get this over with and be done.

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Speaker 2: So we put a throttle body on it. It now worked,

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Speaker 2: It moves smoothly, there was no sticking, there was no

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Speaker 2: notchiness to it, and there was a reflash involved. There

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Speaker 2: was a reflash that had to be done. Thanks to

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Speaker 2: the folks as Opus ivs. As always, they always ride

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Speaker 2: in and help us with our reflashing. Now, because it's

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Speaker 2: gotten to be so darn expensive to have every tool.

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Speaker 2: With my Opus scantol you hear me talking about all

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Speaker 2: the time, I'm able to just dial it in and

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Speaker 2: say here, flash this and we're done. And that part

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Speaker 2: of the repair was really straightforward and clean cut. The

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Speaker 2: purge valve was unique, indifferent. It was a little bit

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Speaker 2: of a toughie because I was able to prove that

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Speaker 2: the purge valve itself had failed. The purge valve is

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Speaker 2: the front door. The purge valve is up front, and

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Speaker 2: you know, we put a perge valve on it, but

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Speaker 2: yet the code wouldn't go away and a deeper dive.

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Speaker 2: I now had a purge valve that worked right. And

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Speaker 2: the mere fact that this had multiple problems in the

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Speaker 2: The purge valve worked, but I'd still get the same fault.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: The way this fault occurs the computer turns on the

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Speaker 2: the perge valve. It's expected that it turned on the

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Speaker 2: purge valve. What it does is it looks at the

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Speaker 2: FTP fuel tank pressure, so suck in. If you suck

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Speaker 2: in right, that suction should create a vacuum. If you were,

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Speaker 2: you know, into a paper bag, you compress the bag right, Well,

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Speaker 2: the same thing is happening to the gas tank you're

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Speaker 2: sucking in. The purge event is a kind of an event,

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Speaker 2: and you would expect fuel tank pressure to get lower,

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Speaker 2: and you would see a drop in voltage, typically around

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Speaker 2: two and a half volts. You would expect to see

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Speaker 2: it go down, and it's not a huge jump. Two

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Speaker 2: two point three five, et cetera. Never moved. FTP never moved,

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Speaker 2: which I thought was kind of interesting because I said, well, gee,

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Speaker 2: I didn't have a purge valve before the purge valve

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Speaker 2: wasn't working. That's why the FTP never dropped. But I

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Speaker 2: still had a non purge event, so to speak. I

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Speaker 2: had no FTP change do it a little bit deeper dive,

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Speaker 2: and sure enough in the back critters and cars, right

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Speaker 2: where you least expect it, where the wiring harness comes

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Speaker 2: up along the top of the frame row, where you

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Speaker 2: don't really see it until you get curious, or more

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Speaker 2: curious you find that a critter, I think a little

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Speaker 2: mouse Mickey was up there, and I see k e

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Speaker 2: y and he chewed through the white and red wires

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Speaker 2: that lead up to the to the vent valve. But

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Speaker 2: that won't do it either, because the vent valve is

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Speaker 2: normally open, right the event valve has to be open

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Speaker 2: when a vehicle is driving alonger, when a vehicle is

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Speaker 2: shut off, they would leave the vent open to let

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Speaker 2: fresh air for tank expansion so the tank doesn't overpressurize.

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Speaker 2: And when you purge, you're going to leave the vent

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Speaker 2: valve open under most conditions, certain conditions you'll close the vent.

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Speaker 2: But yet I still had no change in FTPAY. Now,

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Speaker 2: fortunately they put the fuel time pressure sensor on the

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Speaker 2: charcoal canister, so you know it's not often you see

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Speaker 2: this with a canister. I lowered the canister down and

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Speaker 2: I very carefully took out the FTP and of course

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Speaker 2: I fixed the wiring harness leading up to the vent valve,

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Speaker 2: and it made no differences. I would expect it not to,

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Speaker 2: but it was a legitimate you know, there's something wrong there.

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Speaker 2: And sure enough I found the tiniest of spider webs

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Speaker 2: inside the canister, and the canister was just filled with

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Speaker 2: I don't want to tell you a crut on radio,

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Speaker 2: but in case anybody's eating lunch. But it was just

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Speaker 2: kind of ugly and it just it was a blockage.

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Speaker 2: Put a canister in the car's fixed, and I guess

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Speaker 2: the adventure. And like I said, it creeps up on

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Speaker 2: your like cheap underwear is. You never know when it's

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Speaker 2: going to happen. It just you start to go through

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Speaker 2: the diagnostic routine. You take it apart, piece by piece.

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Speaker 2: You're working on that system, bad perch chewed through wiring,

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Speaker 2: animal or debris or bugs or whatever you want to

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Speaker 2: call it inside the canister. And then you come back

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Speaker 2: and ask yourself the question how long was it like this?

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Speaker 2: Because all of this didn't happen overnight. The wiring harness

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Speaker 2: was actually green and corroded. That doesn't happen. They told me, Well,

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Speaker 2: the light came on Tuesday. Well that doesn't happen on

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Speaker 2: Wednesday morning, that the wires are corroded like that, that

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Speaker 2: it looks like that it's getting tougher fixing cars. It

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Speaker 2: really is. And part of the problem is, I don't

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Speaker 2: know if people, and I'll say this gently, if vehicle

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Speaker 2: owners are aware of their vehicles or that die held

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Speaker 2: in that when they see a change of state, or

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Speaker 2: it's just the light. You know, every light's the check

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Speaker 2: engine light. You ever notice that I got a light

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Speaker 2: on my desh, Oh, it's a check engine light or

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Speaker 2: tire pressure monitoring system TPMs. Lights don't mean anything. They're

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Speaker 2: there to tell you it needs an oil change. You know,

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Speaker 2: there's a lot of misconception out there, and it just

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Speaker 2: proves the value of well what I've been saying for

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Speaker 2: years about educating the public. The public needs to be

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Speaker 2: educated more about their vehicles and realize the implications of

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Speaker 2: what they're creating when they ignore things but critters and cars,

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Speaker 2: they sure make for an interesting scenario, they really do.

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Speaker 2: And it goes on and on and on and on.

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Speaker 2: So let me pull over and take the pause. Tom's

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Speaker 2: yelling and screaming, will not yelling and scream and he's

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Speaker 2: just I can see him getting excited. But let me

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Speaker 2: let me pull over and take a pause here eight

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Speaker 2: five five five six zero nine to nine zero zero

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Speaker 2: and I'm run an enny of the car doctor. I

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Speaker 2: will be back right after this. Don't go away. Carl

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Speaker 2: and Maine fifteen Ford Edge. Carl, welcome to the car doctor.

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Speaker 2: Sure you're on. How can I help?

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Speaker 3: I hope you can help me. Pleasure talking with you.

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Speaker 3: I'm a Ford man. I worked at the Ford Garage

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Speaker 3: when I came out of the Navy in seventy and

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Speaker 3: worked for three or four years, and then I went

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Speaker 3: climbing poles. Different job, different life. But anyway, it's a

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Speaker 3: twenty fifteen Ford Edge. We bought it brand new. It's

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Speaker 3: only got thirty three thousand on it now and it

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Speaker 3: stays garaged most of the time. I don't use it much.

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Speaker 3: I still work hoot time, so they provide me with

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Speaker 3: a vehicle. That being said, the car has always been

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Speaker 3: in the in the shop, Like I said, in my garage.

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Speaker 3: The other one woke up this is actually Mother's Day,

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Speaker 3: took up my wife to the lunch with stuff in

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Speaker 3: the just the window or which you'd call maybe the

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Speaker 3: sun roof on the forward edge right big, that's got

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Speaker 3: a hairline crack in it, and it's spider cracked actually,

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Speaker 3: and I had them save it's been replaced. Ford replaced

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Speaker 3: it one thousand bucks. But it's not a stone bruise

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Speaker 3: or anything. I saved it just to prove it. There's

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Speaker 3: no there's no little binging it like you'd see like

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Speaker 3: a stone bruise or anything. It just cracked. And obviously

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Speaker 3: it's just the outside part of the glass, not the

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Speaker 3: inside as well. It's double aid. But then can't figure

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Speaker 3: out why I called a Ford talked to two different people.

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Speaker 3: They said, well, that's not under warranty. I said, yeah,

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Speaker 3: I understand, but we did check one line. There's several

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Speaker 3: other vehicles that the same thing that year, twenty fifteen,

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Speaker 3: twenty sixteen. And I'm just wondering if Ford's got a

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Speaker 3: problem that they won't really talk about or I don't

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Speaker 3: want to do anything about. And I'll add I'll add

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Speaker 3: two that the tig goes down the road straight. So

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Speaker 3: I don't think I've ever talked a frame or anything

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Speaker 3: or twisted, you know, the guy's never been in an accident,

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Speaker 3: goes down the road straight. I've had it lined up

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Speaker 3: before the same tie as like at the original ties

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Speaker 3: on the Michelins. Very good, but I'm just wondering if

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Speaker 3: you've got any ideas.

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Speaker 2: You know, Carl, you explained it absolutely spot on correct.

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Speaker 2: You covered the bass, my friend, and you have valid arguments.

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Speaker 2: And as I listened to you, I said, this is

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Speaker 2: a man that has a logical sequential mind when it

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Speaker 2: comes to diagnosing a problem. Try and get your hands

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Speaker 2: on Ford bulletin. This is where I say the day,

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Speaker 2: try and get your I'm sorry, try and get your

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Speaker 2: All right, It's it's easy enough to say, well, a

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Speaker 3: Mark, yes, right, and I.

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Speaker 2: And I think it's I think it's a pressure thing,

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Speaker 2: I'm wrong. I bet you don't use the sunroof that often,

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Speaker 3: Oh, we don't. We probably wouldn't buy one again, right,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not. I'm not a sunroof guy myself, but

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Speaker 2: One of the reasons I don't like sunroofs on a

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Speaker 2: if the sunroof was perfectly sealed, why would they need

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Speaker 2: I don't think they're great in this situation. For the

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Speaker 2: at that bulletin. You know what exactly is Ford saying?

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Speaker 2: And does that apply to your vehicle? I think for

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Speaker 3: Okay, run, can you give me a bullet in one

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Speaker 2: TSB sixteen dish double O seventy nine. Yep, all right,

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Speaker 2: Now it's before a certain bill date. If I remember correctly,

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Speaker 2: that vehicle's nine years old, eight years old, already eight

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Speaker 2: nine years old depending on your perspective. But you know

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Speaker 2: their eyes, it's an old vehicle. Sure, so but that's

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Speaker 3: Okay, thank you. That will getting started and give me

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Speaker 3: And the last last statement, well, it's it's not under warranty.

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Speaker 2: Yes, you know, to a degree. We're not so interested

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Speaker 2: to happen again. Yeah, So so what aren't we fixing

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Speaker 2: that We're too lazy to walk over and start doing

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Speaker 2: a little bit of research. I can't stand on that

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Speaker 3: Carl.

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Speaker 2: Every job in the shop, and sometimes it's clear cut,

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Speaker 2: Sometimes it's that weird noise. Sometimes it's a water leak something.

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Speaker 2: I can't tell you how many times standing in front

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Speaker 2: trying to gather information that I, you know, need to

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Speaker 2: Research is an essential mandatory part of every repair every

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Speaker 2: does this now? Usually they dove in head first and

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Speaker 3: And you know you.

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Speaker 2: Gotta look before you leap. Brother, it's very very important.

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Speaker 2: All right, let me know what happens if you need more,

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Speaker 2: And just real quick, you've talked to Ford Corporate about this?

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Speaker 3: Yes, I did, okay, and I might not. I go

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Speaker 3: to hold the right people because you don't know. I

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Speaker 3: him personal, face to face. Yeah, that's all gone. You know.

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Speaker 2: I saw I saw a thing real quick the other day.

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Speaker 2: Just for everybody's information in yours. They're now doing zoom

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Speaker 2: if they haven't already. I appreciate it, Carl, you'd be well,

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Speaker 2: I'm running eny in the car. Doctor I'm back right

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Speaker 2: after this. Let's go over to Bill in Michigan. Keep

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Speaker 2: the phones going today. Eight five to five five six

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Speaker 4: Thanks? Ron granddaughter has a two thousand and nine Chevrolet

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Speaker 4: and Paalo with one hundred and twenty thousand miles. I'm

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Speaker 4: looking for some diagnostic direction here. When the ambient air

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Speaker 4: temperature is above seventy degrees intermittently, some of the power

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Speaker 4: there's no pattern. The right rear door is the most

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Speaker 4: the locks activate correctly. I've had no accidents and there's

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Speaker 2: It's it's it's only when temperature gets above a certain point,

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Speaker 4: That's kind of my next step. Corrosion is maybe what

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Speaker 2: I'm thinking maybe corrosion. Maybe we've got broken wires and

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Speaker 2: we're down to a couple of strands, although they do

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Speaker 2: wouldn't work when you put it in drive. So I've

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Speaker 2: Just because just because it's certain ones, it's not all

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Speaker 2: And if that doesn't make it work, then we're going

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Speaker 2: broken wires. Although I can't find I can't see where

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Speaker 2: that diagnosis holds water at this point, I'd have to

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Speaker 4: That's kind of what I'm leaning towards, but again, I

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Speaker 4: Those locks do not have to be programmed, I might correct.

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Speaker 2: No, I don't believe they do. It should be a

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Speaker 4: Okay. Second question, I've got a ninety four Chevrolet truck

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Speaker 4: That's only on AM. The FM is okay. As part

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Speaker 4: I grounded the antenna directly to the battery and had

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Speaker 2: Why can't we have a bad radio?

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Speaker 4: That's a good question. Ron, it's only thirty years old, Yeah, I.

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Speaker 2: Mean white white Why can't we have a bad radio?

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Speaker 2: I think? I think the next step I'm going to

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Speaker 4: And you know that's a great idea. Yes, we have

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Speaker 2: And just see, could we just have a bad radio?

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Speaker 2: I know, for example, well my O four suburban that

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Speaker 2: you guys hear me talk about forever and ever and

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Speaker 2: the AM radio is starting to get a little wonky.

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Speaker 2: And I that's next on my list because I've done

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Speaker 2: everything that you've done. And you know, the funny thing

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Speaker 2: I have the same static whether the vehicle is running

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, it's a it's an on the road vehicle.

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Speaker 4: I'm in, Like I say, the final stages. This is

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Speaker 4: like your MONDI Carlo came out of Texas, right, had

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Speaker 4: a blessing run to not have to deal with RUSS.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, you know it's it's it's Texas has

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Speaker 2: it's the same whether the vehicle's on or off.

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Speaker 4: It's the same, whether it's the same when it's running,

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Speaker 4: when it's off, I have no noise at all. So

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Speaker 2: Radio or or is it the radio that it doesn't

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Speaker 2: Let me just jump here for a second. Let me

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Speaker 2: is I think? I think Tom, because Tom, I know

430
00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:51,440
Speaker 2: Tom will have some input here. He's my head engineer,

431
00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:53,040
Speaker 2: and he's also got a great idea. Is when it

432
00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:55,760
Speaker 2: comes to car radios. Tom is he busy? Tom's busy

433
00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:57,320
Speaker 2: on the phone. I don't think I can get to

434
00:21:57,400 --> 00:22:02,240
Speaker 2: him and Tom, Tom, are you yeah? No, let's see here. Yeah, Tom,

435
00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:04,640
Speaker 2: did you hear Bill's call?

436
00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:05,320
Speaker 3: Yes?

437
00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:07,760
Speaker 1: I did one of the things I do.

438
00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:08,080
Speaker 5: Bill.

439
00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:10,680
Speaker 1: I mean, I know you said that you that you

440
00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:13,359
Speaker 1: grounded the antenna directly to the battery. Make sure that

441
00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:16,480
Speaker 1: the area where the antenna attaches to the fender there

442
00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:18,920
Speaker 1: or whatever it's attached to, is not painted. It's clean,

443
00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:19,720
Speaker 1: it's not rusty.

444
00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:21,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, I did that.

445
00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:23,640
Speaker 2: Okay did did?

446
00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:23,920
Speaker 5: Did?

447
00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:28,240
Speaker 1: You? You said you had the it's it's the original

448
00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:29,000
Speaker 1: cable that's in there.

449
00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:34,800
Speaker 4: Uh. The antenna lead is a replacement. The original cable

450
00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:38,040
Speaker 4: from the antenna lead to the radio is an original cable.

451
00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:41,800
Speaker 1: Okay, Uh, you may you may want to consider replacing

452
00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:47,080
Speaker 1: that because coaxial cable, which is what that is, uh,

453
00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:53,320
Speaker 1: tends to dry out and the internal the braid around

454
00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:55,879
Speaker 1: the outside which is the ground, will tend to fail.

455
00:22:57,480 --> 00:22:59,280
Speaker 1: And you also may just want to check where the

456
00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:02,120
Speaker 1: radio is ground. Didn't make sure those grounds are correct,

457
00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:04,639
Speaker 1: but I would tend to agree with Ron. It's most

458
00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:06,879
Speaker 1: likely the age of the radio and the radio has

459
00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:07,880
Speaker 1: probably got a problem.

460
00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:10,919
Speaker 4: You guys are awesome. I appreciate it special thanks to

461
00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:12,760
Speaker 4: you as well as Ron for having me on and

462
00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:14,840
Speaker 4: great information. I will follow those directions.

463
00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:17,040
Speaker 2: You're very welcome, Bill, you'd be well always always glad

464
00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:18,720
Speaker 2: to do it. You know, it's and you got to

465
00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:20,000
Speaker 2: have a good radio. I'll tell you what in the

466
00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:23,760
Speaker 2: vehicle today. Wow, it's just it's just super important. Let's

467
00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:25,919
Speaker 2: go to Jeff in Cleveland real quick before the pause

468
00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:28,879
Speaker 2: and see what's going on here. Jeff you're on with

469
00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:30,040
Speaker 2: the car doctor. How can I help?

470
00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:32,800
Speaker 5: But hey, thank thanks for taking my call. Hey, I

471
00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:35,119
Speaker 5: going to want to get to your opinion and thoughts

472
00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:38,320
Speaker 5: on I have an two Saturn view. It's got five

473
00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:39,840
Speaker 5: hundred and eight thousand on it.

474
00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:44,680
Speaker 2: Wait for it, wait a minute, just broken in. Go ahead, brother,

475
00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:47,359
Speaker 2: don't tell anybody, they probably want that one back. So,

476
00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:49,160
Speaker 2: and what's going on with it?

477
00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:52,160
Speaker 5: Well, so, I want to ask you about the front

478
00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:54,960
Speaker 5: O two sensor. It is the original two sensor in

479
00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:57,119
Speaker 5: the car, and I've been watching it on you know,

480
00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:59,960
Speaker 5: the skiing tool. If you grab the front sensor versus

481
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:02,560
Speaker 5: the rear, you know, the front, you get real good

482
00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:05,520
Speaker 5: wave pattern out of it. You know, it goes below

483
00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:08,719
Speaker 5: point one volt above point nine, it switches real fast

484
00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:11,359
Speaker 5: the rear sensor. You know, I get real good flatline

485
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:14,560
Speaker 5: on It's. The issue I'm having is if you dig

486
00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:17,600
Speaker 5: into the Mode six data on the front sensor, it's

487
00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:22,000
Speaker 5: it runs six tests on the front sensor. It does

488
00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:25,040
Speaker 5: the threshold volts voltage you know, between rich and lean

489
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:29,280
Speaker 5: lean to rich it's around point five. Then it does

490
00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:31,040
Speaker 5: the you know how hot does it go? High?

491
00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:31,280
Speaker 2: Low?

492
00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:33,520
Speaker 5: Low? Does it go? It needs to be above point

493
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:37,760
Speaker 5: six three volts in below point three, and it's doing that,

494
00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:40,359
Speaker 5: and then it does a lean to ridge tests and

495
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:42,840
Speaker 5: it does the time right, and it's it's doing the

496
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:45,760
Speaker 5: lean to rich test. Fine, it's the thresholds like point

497
00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:51,000
Speaker 5: one four and it's hitting around point zero six. So

498
00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:53,040
Speaker 5: that's fine. That The issue I'm having is on the

499
00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:58,720
Speaker 5: Rich to lean Normally it'll run around point eight to

500
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:01,000
Speaker 5: point one and it's suppose to be below point four.

501
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:05,040
Speaker 5: So it's passing all the time, except if it runs

502
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:08,800
Speaker 5: when it's on the highway going above sixty five and

503
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:12,359
Speaker 5: above like fifty percent calculated load. If it runs, then

504
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:16,640
Speaker 5: it's failing. And it's pending a one thirty three code

505
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:19,680
Speaker 5: in the values coming up at point one four four

506
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:22,760
Speaker 5: versus point one four zero, So it's you're barely failing.

507
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:27,280
Speaker 5: And I know what you're thinking, just replace it. Actually,

508
00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:29,320
Speaker 5: I'm just afraid to touch it because it's been in

509
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:30,720
Speaker 5: the original sensor.

510
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:33,879
Speaker 2: Actually I'm not thinking just replace it. What I was

511
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:36,479
Speaker 2: gonna do, I'll tell you what. Sit tight and let

512
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:38,720
Speaker 2: me pull over. Take this pause, Well, leave everybody in suspense,

513
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:40,399
Speaker 2: but I have an answer for you in a direction.

514
00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:42,320
Speaker 2: Let's see if we can take you there. I'm running

515
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:44,239
Speaker 2: Enny in the car. Doctor. We'll return right after this.

516
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:51,520
Speaker 2: Let's get back to Jeff in Cleveland. Jeff, you're still there.

517
00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:54,680
Speaker 2: The answered I failed to ask. Is this a four

518
00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:57,760
Speaker 2: cylinder or six cylinder set or four cylinder.

519
00:25:57,880 --> 00:25:58,800
Speaker 5: In the fourth cylinder?

520
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you know, And let me tell you your

521
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 2: your diagnosis and the way you're analyzing this is spot on.

522
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 2: I can really appreciate what you're doing the use of

523
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,440
Speaker 2: Mode six. There is exactly how you're supposed to use it.

524
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:12,080
Speaker 2: What sort of scan tool are you using?

525
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:14,880
Speaker 5: It's a Nova of fifty.

526
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:19,680
Speaker 2: Okay, if you had the top of the line scan tool,

527
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:23,160
Speaker 2: a snap on or an hotel or a launch or whoever.

528
00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:26,200
Speaker 5: All right, I do have an encore, all.

529
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:32,920
Speaker 2: Right, any scan tool to do to use oxygen sensor analysis, graphing,

530
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:37,280
Speaker 2: and to show how well it's performing, okay, compared to

531
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:40,000
Speaker 2: what Mode six actually is. You're not going to like

532
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:43,439
Speaker 2: this answer is like is like comparing the Right Brothers

533
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:46,879
Speaker 2: to the Space Shuttle. It just it just doesn't work.

534
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:50,119
Speaker 2: The only accurate way to test those two sensors in

535
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:55,000
Speaker 2: the field. And I'm told by engineers and teachers, educators

536
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:58,200
Speaker 2: and all the classes I go to that sit there,

537
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 2: and you know they walk, talk and read this twenty

538
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 2: four to seven. Tell me that even lapscopes have a

539
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:06,879
Speaker 2: hard time measuring and showing the true potential of what

540
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 2: an oxygen sensor is doing. So you know you're doing

541
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 2: it right. You've just reached the limit of what you're tooling.

542
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:20,159
Speaker 2: Will tell you you're using mode six, which you're looking at

543
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 2: computer results, right, be fair. The computer's showing you it's

544
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 2: test results, but you're using a scan tool to compare

545
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:31,119
Speaker 2: the So that scan tool is buffer data. It's it

546
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:33,119
Speaker 2: just it has to go through a processor and a

547
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 2: translator in order for it to be displayed up on

548
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 2: the screen. And we're looking at it. You may not

549
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:42,119
Speaker 2: see the glitch. It's just it's just happening so fast.

550
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:46,159
Speaker 5: I often make a difference.

551
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:49,680
Speaker 2: Even with the Encore brother, I've I've given up. I've

552
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:52,240
Speaker 2: got let's see a snap on an hotel a launch,

553
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 2: and I don't want to go through the list of

554
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:56,640
Speaker 2: fourteen scan tools I've got everybody's when I want. When

555
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 2: I want to look at an O two like that,

556
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:01,119
Speaker 2: I don't even use my snap on scull. I'll break

557
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 2: out either my one from ATS or I can't think

558
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:07,200
Speaker 2: of the other brand that we have in house that

559
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 2: just it needs. But it's it's so rare when I

560
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:12,359
Speaker 2: need to do that, because by now I would have

561
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:14,320
Speaker 2: swapped you two to see the result. Because the one

562
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 2: hundred dollars row two centsor versus two hours of time.

563
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:20,639
Speaker 2: You start to weigh the economics of it, and and

564
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 2: I get where you're going. You're afraid to touch it.

565
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,639
Speaker 2: Have you tried the censor to see if it'll come out?

566
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,200
Speaker 5: Well, so when you look at it, you know there's

567
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 5: a drain tube for the colvent that sits right above it,

568
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 5: and you know we've got these Ohio winners here. I

569
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:36,920
Speaker 5: know it's dumped a ton of salt on and it's

570
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 5: really rusty, and I'm afraid if it pulls the threads,

571
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 5: I got to take the exhaust manifold off. And if

572
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 5: I break getting the studs on the head, then the.

573
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 2: Head ass right, all of a sudden, it becomes it

574
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 2: becomes a Michigan.

575
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 5: I'm worried about it.

576
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 2: Do you own a but tane or propane or any

577
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 2: kind of torch?

578
00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 5: Yeah?

579
00:28:57,400 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 2: Can you get a little heat on it?

580
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 5: Yeah? Well yeah, yeah. The problem is is the swing

581
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 5: right because I mean, there's the right I could probably

582
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 5: get an O two socket on it, or maybe an

583
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 5: open end, but the swing is only like maybe ten

584
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 5: or fifteen degrees.

585
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 2: Right, if you can get the sensor to move just

586
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 2: the tiniest of bit and apply a little bit of heat,

587
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 2: listen to what I say, and it doesn't have to

588
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 2: be super hot, and then get yourself a couple of crayons.

589
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 2: All right, Oh the wax, a high wax crayon. We

590
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 2: do it with crayons in the shop. It's a good show.

591
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 3: And you know it.

592
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 2: Will it will, just it'll get in there and give

593
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 2: it a couple of minutes to work its way through,

594
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 2: and it will, you know, on something super rusty. Hey listen,

595
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie. I'd start with PB blaster, all right,

596
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 2: I would. I would get it to move. I would

597
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:51,719
Speaker 2: let PB sit there and soak. I'd scrape away the

598
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 2: outside area of the of the flange of the O

599
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 2: two if that makes sense, as best they can with

600
00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 2: a wire brush, and then leave some PB on it.

601
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 2: Let it soak, because you could just have a contaminated

602
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 2: or tired sensor that's creating the problem. Now, now, I

603
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 2: could you know where else could we go do we

604
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 2: have could we have Coroda chassis grounds, could we have

605
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:13,600
Speaker 2: Coroda engine grounds. Sure we could have something affecting how

606
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 2: the main engine computer, the ECM itself is responding to

607
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 2: two sensor activity, but you would think that you would

608
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 2: see other sensors start to show that in Mode six

609
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 2: testing as well. Right, so, and then listen, we could

610
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 2: just play this out in our heads and be even

611
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 2: more dramatic. Do you have the one car that first

612
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:34,240
Speaker 2: won five hundred thousand miles? But do you have the

613
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:36,720
Speaker 2: one PCM that's only affected on the front bank O

614
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 2: two because there's a problem internally in the PCM. What's

615
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 2: easier to change the two or the PCM? Where are

616
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 2: we going to start testing and guessing you've done all

617
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 2: your testing. You've done it as far as you can

618
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 2: within the limits of your equipment and capability. At this point,

619
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 2: I know of no other test. We could shoot pro

620
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 2: pane at that sensor and I guarantee it'll hit point

621
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 2: nine or better. But it doesn't mean it's doing it

622
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 2: fast enough. Scan tool measurement because we're looking at scan

623
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 2: tool and trying to compare it to MOTE six, which

624
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 2: is real world, real.

625
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 5: Data right now? Does it help? Like it's in the

626
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 5: cast iron exhaust man fold? Does that help? Because I don't.

627
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 5: I don't think that rusts as much as the dots

628
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 5: that worse.

629
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 2: Or it could be it depends on environment. You won't

630
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 2: you know that? Yeah, you won't know until you try, Jeff,

631
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 2: And you can't. You can't hope it any better, brother.

632
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 5: So yeah, I know, all right, I'm worried about you.

633
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 2: I know I wish I had better answers for you,

634
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 2: but sometimes I got to tell you what you need

635
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 2: to know and not what you want to hear.

636
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, I know, I appreciate it.

637
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 2: You're very welcome. You keep going, and you let me

638
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 2: know if you need more, and i'll uh, I'll take

639
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 2: care of you. I'll do what I can for you. Jeff,

640
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 2: I'm running any in the car. Doctor. We're back right

641
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 2: after this, Hey, and uh away we go. I'm gonna

642
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 2: hold Mark till the next hour, if that's okay, Tom, Tom,

643
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 2: shake your head yes, good, okay, and uh Mark just

644
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 2: sit type babe, because I don't want to. I don't

645
00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 2: want to go too short on that question of yours.

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Speaker 2: I think it's important. I want to give you your

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Speaker 2: time it was a busy week in the shop. I

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Speaker 2: have to tell you we saw a variety of things

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Speaker 2: from highs to lows, and variety of product and variety

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Speaker 2: of failures. I think the thing that sticks out in

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Speaker 2: my mind the most was how things snowballed. You know,

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Speaker 2: I opened the show talking about the Honda evapp problem.

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Speaker 2: I didn't even tell you about the thirteen Civic that

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Speaker 2: we worked on this week. It came in for an

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Speaker 2: oil change and you could see that one of the

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Speaker 2: tires had a chunk missing out of it, that one tire,

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Speaker 2: the tire other side had a nail in it, and

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Speaker 2: all of a sudden, the right front tire had a

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Speaker 2: bowled outside edge, and all of a sudden it needed

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Speaker 2: rear brakes. And the day was over. You know, I

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Speaker 2: guess what I'm trying to say is pity the poor

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Speaker 2: mechanic too. We take cars in. I'm asking for a

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Speaker 2: little clemency and leniency here and understand why. Sometimes it

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Speaker 2: takes longer because we don't know what we're dealing with.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes we don't know the length of time the vehicle

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Speaker 2: needs to be in the shop because we don't know

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Speaker 2: what we're going to find. Another case, of cheap underwear

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Speaker 2: and it creeps up on you, So just be aware.

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Speaker 2: Snowballs are everywhere side of a repair shop, even in

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Speaker 2: the warm summer months. Till the next time. I'm ronning

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Speaker 2: Andy and the Car Doctor, and I'm reminding you good

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Speaker 2: mechanics aren't expensive, They're priceless. Really, see you