1 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:20,759 Speaker 1: Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan. I've worked out throughout 2 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:23,880 Speaker 1: my life for any number of reasons, either you know, 3 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:29,480 Speaker 1: in sports or military or just to try to stay 4 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:32,480 Speaker 1: in shape or get back in shape. And it's hard 5 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 1: to stay the course. I'm sure that'll y'all know this. 6 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 1: Everybody knows this. It's hard some days just to get 7 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:44,280 Speaker 1: out and take a walk. I've always been fascinated by 8 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:51,840 Speaker 1: people that have a level of commitment where they will 9 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 1: get up at four a m. You know, even in 10 00:00:56,960 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 1: the Army, we didn't get up until I think for 11 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 1: forty five. To get up at or show up at 12 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 1: four four am, that means that you would have had 13 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:13,680 Speaker 1: to have started prepping, you know, at three point fifty 14 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 1: maybe if you're gonna throw in your workout clothes and 15 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 1: then to lead to show up motivated. That's the thing 16 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 1: about it, to show up motivated, to drive people to 17 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 1: get in shape, and not just that, but call you know, 18 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 1: call this this program that you're involved in. Camp Gladiator. Today, 19 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:36,400 Speaker 1: i want to discuss one of the most baffling cases 20 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:38,920 Speaker 1: that has come down the pike in a long long time. 21 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:41,039 Speaker 1: I've been covering it for years. It's the first time 22 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:43,560 Speaker 1: I've ever done a body backs on it. We're going 23 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:48,880 Speaker 1: to talk about, at least to this time, the unsolved 24 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 1: homicide of Missy Beavers. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this 25 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:02,560 Speaker 1: is body backs tell you about, Joe. Let me jump 26 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 1: in real quick. 27 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:09,640 Speaker 2: Missy Bab's case exploded in twenty sixteen because when it 28 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 2: happened in a church when she was all alone before 29 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 2: five am, but two because police released surveillance video of 30 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 2: the person they believe committed the murder. In the minutes 31 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 2: before the murder took place, we see a person walking 32 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:26,080 Speaker 2: throughout the church in mid Lothian, Texas, wearing a police 33 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 2: swat outfit, including a helmet and a vesta, says police. 34 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 2: On top of that, this video shows that the person 35 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:35,400 Speaker 2: has an unusual walk, an unusual gait, and police released 36 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 2: the surveillance video for everybody to see it, expecting somebody 37 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 2: to go, I know who that is. That's how unique 38 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 2: the walk is. That's why this story went viral. It's 39 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:47,239 Speaker 2: still not solved eight years later. That's why we're digging 40 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 2: into the story today now, Joe. She was there, as 41 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:52,520 Speaker 2: you mentioned, to lead a workout, and I'm kind of 42 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:54,480 Speaker 2: curious a lot of us had to do chores when 43 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 2: we were kids. Do you look at working out as 44 00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:59,639 Speaker 2: entertainment or do you look at working out as. 45 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 1: This? This to me is a chore. I mean, God, 46 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 1: God bless me. Missy Beavers and all those people that 47 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:10,800 Speaker 1: would come and where I'm sure she she impacted people's 48 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 1: lives or that. We've heard this over and over and 49 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 1: over again. And David, look, I'm going to just throw 50 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 1: this out there just to begin this conversation. Given everything 51 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:28,240 Speaker 1: that she did to help other people relative to their 52 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 1: their physical life, all right, to try to improve them. Look, 53 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 1: I'll take the reins of it. I'm going to go 54 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:37,200 Speaker 1: out there. I'm going to set this thing up. You know, 55 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 1: you show up. I'm going to be there every day, 56 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 1: come rain or come shine. By the way, it had 57 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 1: been raining hard that night. She said, we do not cancel, 58 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 1: and they were going to do it indoors. 59 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:52,120 Speaker 2: Well, and you know all the plan was. They did 60 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 2: it in the parking lot. The arrangement for Camp Gladiator 61 00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:58,360 Speaker 2: that Missy Beavers did. And by the way, her husband 62 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 2: actually Brandon talked to about the people who did this, 63 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 2: who joined Missy Beaver's class, they were called campers that 64 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 2: is the way they related to them as their campers, 65 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 2: and they referred to them, I mean Brandon as well 66 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 2: as Missy called them our campers. And so the campers 67 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 2: would arrive at five am, which means that you know, 68 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 2: Missy had to be there forty five minutes to an 69 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:22,240 Speaker 2: hour beforehand to get things set up. As you mentioned, 70 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 2: they normally did it in the parking lot, but because 71 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:27,599 Speaker 2: of the torrential rains and by the way, it was 72 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:31,560 Speaker 2: severe enough in mid Lothian, Texas where it had, the 73 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:35,360 Speaker 2: weather had actually changed people's behavior because it just wasn't 74 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 2: something that they were used to having, you know, in 75 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:41,400 Speaker 2: several days of nasty, rainy weather, and so moving it 76 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:44,920 Speaker 2: indoors was something that Missy was able to arrange. And 77 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 2: that's where we begin, and you and I both started 78 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 2: talking about this show, this particular case when it happened. 79 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:55,920 Speaker 2: We're talking about April eighteenth of twenty sixteen. That's when 80 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 2: you and I first heard of this case. And by 81 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 2: the way, saw the video. You have a case where 82 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:06,160 Speaker 2: Missy Beavers arrives at the church to set things up 83 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:12,599 Speaker 2: and a camper finds her just after five am, finds 84 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:18,479 Speaker 2: her body dead. Well, she was declared dead by the 85 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 2: paramedics that showed up. But the first call to nine 86 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 2: one one was at five point ten and it was 87 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:25,919 Speaker 2: somebody's hurt, bad show. 88 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:26,240 Speaker 1: Up, you know. 89 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 2: And then the police as they're investigating, they released the 90 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:32,560 Speaker 2: video that we saw. The video surveillance was from inside 91 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:35,599 Speaker 2: the church, and the first thing we all saw a 92 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 2: we know Missy Beavers is dead. B we have video 93 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 2: of a person walking through this church that is not 94 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 2: just the suspect. This is the probable killer of Missy Beavers. 95 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:52,080 Speaker 2: And how often do we have video of that medicine? 96 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:56,160 Speaker 1: Never That's and you know I'd mentioned to you I've 97 00:05:56,200 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 1: had these weird confluences, David, through throughout my uh my 98 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:05,920 Speaker 1: contact with Nancy Grace. For some reason, I don't know 99 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 1: why it happened. But going back to our hl N 100 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 1: days where I would appear as her forensics guy, there 101 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:19,840 Speaker 1: were there are a number of these cases where I was. 102 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 1: I was on air with her the first night a 103 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 1: particular case was presented. This is one of them. And 104 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:30,160 Speaker 1: that's why it's so baffling because, uh, you know, in 105 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 1: our off air discussions, I was telling you, look, that 106 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 1: night after I had covered this with Nancy because this 107 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 1: is the first night we had the video, and it 108 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:42,920 Speaker 1: was the first night that I heard Nancy use the 109 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 1: term slew footed, and I'd heard slew footed my entire life. 110 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 1: You know, for people to turn turn me, well, it 111 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 1: means that you you turn your feet out. It almost 112 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 1: looks like a duck walk. You turn your feet out 113 00:06:56,360 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 1: as you're as you're you know, ambulating a law. It's 114 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 1: very distinctive posture. And there's all kinds of things that 115 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 1: forensic foot where people look at relative to how feet 116 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 1: strike the ground, wear patterns on shoes and boots, and 117 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:17,680 Speaker 1: all these sorts of things. The impressions you live leave 118 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 1: in the mud are in fact, and not to mention 119 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 1: that you think about the weight distribution of people. So 120 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 1: it really stood out that night. That was just one 121 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:33,080 Speaker 1: of the little indicators that for me all these years 122 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 1: seven years day is it seven years? It is seven years? 123 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 1: I think seven years since this eight years there you go, 124 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 1: since this occurred, and I just I knew that night, Look, 125 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:48,320 Speaker 1: this is going to be somebody that is going to 126 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 1: be found out. Going back to the original you know, 127 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 1: I don't know underlying thesis here. If you think about 128 00:07:57,120 --> 00:08:01,679 Speaker 1: what she's doing who's gonna who's going to kill this woman? Right? 129 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:05,480 Speaker 1: And that sounds here, Yeah, that's the thing, because. 130 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 2: You're looking at a woman who's forty five years old, 131 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 2: has three kids, married and has been for a while, 132 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 2: and she's murdered by at her before her class is 133 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 2: set to begin. So the first thing that you and 134 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 2: I and everybody else that was working on we saw 135 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 2: the video of the positive probable murderer walking through a 136 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 2: church building with a long hammer. And we'll get into 137 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 2: this in a minute, but we see the video of 138 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:32,320 Speaker 2: the possible suspect, the person that committed the murder, and 139 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 2: we know, well, we've got a lot of evidence here 140 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:39,079 Speaker 2: pointing at who's guilty of this crime. But we also 141 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:42,320 Speaker 2: have an individual that is walking through the church wearing 142 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 2: an outfit that looks like well not it looks like 143 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:48,160 Speaker 2: it actually says police across the front best and it 144 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:53,199 Speaker 2: appears to be police swat tactical gear, including a helmet 145 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 2: that this individual is wearing. So back up, It's four 146 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 2: sixteen in the morning when Missy Beavers arrives at the 147 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:06,200 Speaker 2: church and the video shows her unpacking things from her 148 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:09,280 Speaker 2: truck and bringing it inside the church. We have the 149 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:12,320 Speaker 2: video of the surveillance video of the person walking through 150 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:16,319 Speaker 2: the church, and then we have the student the camper 151 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:21,720 Speaker 2: arriving and calling nine to oneint one our instructor is down, 152 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 2: and police arrive. She is pronounced dead at the scene. 153 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 2: Now we have the surveillance video that police released right away, 154 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 2: mainly because this is pretty big evidence and they didn't, 155 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 2: you know, in the first day or so, they hadn't 156 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 2: figured out who did it yet, so they released this 157 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 2: portions of it because the individual, and you said slew footed. 158 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 2: The person that is in the video has a very 159 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 2: distinctive gait gai t And it's not a term we 160 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 2: use very often to describe something, but it means the 161 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 2: way a person walks. I have an odd walk sometimes 162 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 2: because of my back, will have an odd walk because 163 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:04,319 Speaker 2: they have an injury that it's only a temporary walk, 164 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:07,600 Speaker 2: and that was something that investigators had to consider. Is 165 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:11,600 Speaker 2: this a person who has this weird gait all the 166 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 2: time or are they recovering from an injury that has 167 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 2: created this gate. The whole thing the police are thinking 168 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:23,600 Speaker 2: is somebody will notice this. Somebody will see this video 169 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 2: and say, hey, that looks like Joseph Scott Morgan I 170 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 2: saw him at the grocery store the other day. 171 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 1: He was walking like that. Somebody's going to call that in. Yeah, 172 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 1: that's very it's very distinctive. It's one of these things 173 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 1: that you know, you could say, how many let me 174 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:43,280 Speaker 1: ask you something. Okay, we go to any you know, 175 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:46,600 Speaker 1: any box store or anything like that. I won't mention 176 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:50,160 Speaker 1: any names, but you know, like their initials are Walmart. Okay, 177 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:53,720 Speaker 1: So you go to someplace like a Walmart or you 178 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 1: go to your local grocery store. How many? How many 179 00:10:57,400 --> 00:11:00,199 Speaker 1: times do you pay attention to the way people walk. 180 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:04,440 Speaker 2: Only when they won't get out of my way? 181 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:07,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right, and you're wondering, Well, the first assessment 182 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 1: that you do is like, well are they encumbered by something? 183 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 2: Is there something to be? 184 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:20,560 Speaker 1: And so you're you're wondering, You're wondering here is this? 185 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 1: Is this how they normally you know, walk? And the 186 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 1: interesting thing and we you know, I uh, full credit 187 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 1: to Nancy here because she had me on just this 188 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:36,640 Speaker 1: past week talking about this case. She had brought up 189 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:41,319 Speaker 1: the potential for an injury, you know, relative to how 190 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:45,720 Speaker 1: this person was stepping, and it was fascinating she she 191 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:49,600 Speaker 1: actually had a forensic pediatrist on air with us. This 192 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 1: guy is fascinating and forgive me, his name just flew 193 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:58,200 Speaker 1: out of my brain, but he his assessment relative to 194 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 1: this was quite was quite fascinating. And I'm not saying 195 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:08,440 Speaker 1: that the totality of the evidence rest in a way 196 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:12,520 Speaker 1: somebody might happen to stride on any particular day or 197 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:15,840 Speaker 1: strike the ground with their heel or their toe or 198 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:20,440 Speaker 1: maybe the arch area of their foot. But I know this, 199 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 1: this case, with all of the evidence that we're about 200 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 1: to talk about, and with this strange gait, remains open 201 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 1: and unsolved. I personally, I have never put on any 202 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 1: kind of tactical police gear in my life. None. You 203 00:12:57,840 --> 00:13:00,720 Speaker 1: wear stuff or back in my day when Sorcer on 204 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:04,000 Speaker 1: the earth, he wore stuff in the army that you know, 205 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:08,160 Speaker 1: I guess could be considered was combat gear. What tactical gear? 206 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 2: Uh? 207 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:14,760 Speaker 1: You know that consisted of a couple of suspenders, you know, 208 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:17,160 Speaker 1: a web belt as they called it, with m O 209 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:20,120 Speaker 1: pax and all that stuff. But this is something different, 210 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 1: you know. I'm looking at at the clothing that this 211 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:30,320 Speaker 1: person on the videography is wearing, and the pediatriss that 212 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:32,840 Speaker 1: I mentioned just a few months ago that did an 213 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:39,440 Speaker 1: assessment on this, on this this outfit, that this individual had. 214 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 2: A doctor's name, the pediatrist show that you were looking for. 215 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:45,199 Speaker 2: His name is doctor Michael Nyrenberg. 216 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 1: Doctor Nyberg. Hey, that's why I love you, Dave. You're 217 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 1: always there, You're ready with the ready with the info. 218 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:54,720 Speaker 1: Thank you, because he deserves a lot of credit here. 219 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:56,679 Speaker 1: I got to tell you. He you know, he went 220 00:13:56,720 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 1: to his local police department and asked if he could 221 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:05,199 Speaker 1: videotape people that were dressed out in full kit as 222 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:07,560 Speaker 1: they call it, and then he put the kid on. 223 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:10,120 Speaker 1: You know what he said the same way, Dave, it 224 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:14,439 Speaker 1: approximated forty pounds. Well imagine that, can you? Yeah, because 225 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 1: it's got a tactical vest which I guess has probably 226 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 1: got plates in it, you know, like bulletproof plates that 227 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 1: you find on the post ear and the anterior aspect. 228 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:26,240 Speaker 1: And then not to mention, you know, any kind of 229 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 1: med kits, ammo, all the stuff that they flashlights, all 230 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:34,200 Speaker 1: this stuff. And he said, and that changes the gate. 231 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 1: One of the things that Nancy's talked about is height comparison, 232 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:42,160 Speaker 1: which is fascinating to me, where you know, how agencies 233 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 1: can take a rendering or can take a snap of 234 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:50,480 Speaker 1: an individual in front of a doorframe. A doorframe is 235 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 1: a known it's a known, it's you get an idea 236 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:57,960 Speaker 1: of height and width of this thing, and so they 237 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:04,320 Speaker 1: can approximate heights with this. This pediatrist actually stated that 238 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:11,280 Speaker 1: based upon the weight, it's going to perhaps compress your height. 239 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 1: So it might actually alter your height to a certain degree. 240 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:19,040 Speaker 1: Now you know he deals with this sort of thing 241 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:22,840 Speaker 1: every single day, you know, where they're having to make 242 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 1: adjustments to the feet and all these sorts of things, 243 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:28,400 Speaker 1: special orthotics and all of that, and I'm sure that 244 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:33,200 Speaker 1: he's probably worked with all manner of ostia pass out there. 245 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:40,800 Speaker 1: When you think about this, that it could alter the 246 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:45,480 Speaker 1: height of somebody if they divested themselves of this rig 247 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:50,560 Speaker 1: that they're wearing, could their height change by half an inch? Maybe? 248 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:52,960 Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, you know they say that 249 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:55,880 Speaker 1: astronauts get shorter when there when they go into space. 250 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 1: I don't know, but they get taller or I'm thinking 251 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 1: about divers, people that go that dive at deep desks 252 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:06,200 Speaker 1: for depths for a protracted period of top. 253 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 2: But the suit you're talking about weighing the kit weighing 254 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 2: forty pounds itself. 255 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:11,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, in the. 256 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:16,080 Speaker 2: Pictures of the surveillance video of the individual. That, by 257 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 2: the way, police released certain videos right a couple of 258 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 2: days into the investigation, when they didn't have a suspect, 259 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:25,120 Speaker 2: they didn't put a name to a suspect, and in 260 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 2: a couple of days they released more of the video. 261 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:32,000 Speaker 2: I want to add two things. One, the surveillance video 262 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:34,640 Speaker 2: only is from the inside of the church. The surveillance 263 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:37,880 Speaker 2: cameras outside the church were not working, but inside the 264 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:43,600 Speaker 2: church police did see how the individual got in. Now 265 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:46,720 Speaker 2: we know that Missy Beaver's arrived around four to sixteen am, 266 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:50,640 Speaker 2: and police have told us that they saw cameras on 267 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 2: the inside showing this person breaking into the church at 268 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 2: three point fifty am in full tactical gear. And I 269 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:03,840 Speaker 2: keep saying this person because at first police were certain 270 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:06,600 Speaker 2: it was a man, as I was the first time 271 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:09,480 Speaker 2: I watched it. It's only in watching the video a 272 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:12,000 Speaker 2: couple of different times that you look at this and 273 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:17,160 Speaker 2: think this might be a woman. Now police were able 274 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:20,280 Speaker 2: to determine that he or she the person broke into 275 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:22,480 Speaker 2: the building. They're not telling us how, just saying that 276 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:28,520 Speaker 2: it was a forced entry, right, and we also are 277 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:33,159 Speaker 2: going to tell you that police have never released the 278 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 2: attack on Missy Beavers. 279 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:38,320 Speaker 1: I think it's there though, isn't it day Yes, it is. 280 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:40,000 Speaker 1: They have the video. 281 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:42,320 Speaker 2: It just serves no purpose to release it to the public, 282 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 2: right and you know, furryan interest don't need to be served. 283 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:48,880 Speaker 2: They're trying to find out the suspect. Anything other than 284 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:51,359 Speaker 2: that would just be damaging to her children, her family 285 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:54,280 Speaker 2: and people who cared about her. I didn't know what happened. 286 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:58,440 Speaker 2: So anyway, they do have that though, and I'm imagining 287 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:00,960 Speaker 2: at some point if it comes up at trial, that 288 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:03,960 Speaker 2: that could be brought in because it would have something 289 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:08,160 Speaker 2: to do about the injury sustained by Missy Beavers, the height, 290 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 2: the weight of the individual that did this crime. But Joe, 291 00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:17,399 Speaker 2: as we were watching this video of the surveillance video, 292 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 2: it appears that the person that comes into this building 293 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 2: is breaking windows, is looking around at door opening doors 294 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:30,240 Speaker 2: and things like that. Does it appear to you that 295 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:35,000 Speaker 2: this individual is waiting for Missy Beavers to arrive, that 296 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:39,640 Speaker 2: this person knows she's going to arrive before five am, 297 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:43,560 Speaker 2: And does person is lying in wait by creating a mess? 298 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:46,920 Speaker 1: Yeah? And look how in the heck do you? Okay, 299 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 1: this has been my contention all along, Dave. If you 300 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:55,159 Speaker 1: have an individual that knows and you have to you 301 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:58,840 Speaker 1: kind of have to factor this in to the equation. 302 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:03,240 Speaker 1: They have to know that Missy is going to be 303 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:08,080 Speaker 1: going there. They have to know that. And here's the 304 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:16,320 Speaker 1: chilling part that I think that the workout had been 305 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:21,320 Speaker 1: moved from outdoors to indoors. Okay, that's very intimate knowledge, day, 306 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:25,879 Speaker 1: but how can you how do you how do you 307 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:31,159 Speaker 1: marry all that up and and not narrow your field 308 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:35,359 Speaker 1: any further than it's been narrowed. Because it's interesting to 309 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:40,879 Speaker 1: know that this message had been had been sent out 310 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:47,240 Speaker 1: relative to relative to visa Facebook, you know, and it 311 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:50,720 Speaker 1: was You wonder if it's a hidden group, protected group, 312 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:53,000 Speaker 1: you know, that that sort of thing where it's it's 313 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 1: only limited to or could the public see this? And 314 00:19:56,400 --> 00:20:00,320 Speaker 1: if so, who in that group that would have been 315 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:05,560 Speaker 1: going might have passed that information on, not knowing that 316 00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:08,480 Speaker 1: they had passed it on to someone that had an 317 00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:13,240 Speaker 1: in for Missy. Is it a randomized attack? I can't 318 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:16,440 Speaker 1: imagine that it is, because the person showed showed up 319 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:21,880 Speaker 1: prior to Missy's arrival. So the new timeframe. They're going 320 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 1: around their checking thiss. They're casing the joint, if you will, 321 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:29,720 Speaker 1: to try to assess if there was anybody else in 322 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:32,359 Speaker 1: the building. But boyd, did they really take a risk 323 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:35,719 Speaker 1: by knocking a window out, you know, to gain access 324 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:40,120 Speaker 1: in that way? That gives you the idea of how 325 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 1: motivated they were in order to do this. I'm going 326 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:46,240 Speaker 1: to break something in order to make entry. But they're 327 00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:49,400 Speaker 1: being very safe in the sense that they've got this 328 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:56,280 Speaker 1: their kit on their faces obscured, they're wearing gloves, you 329 00:20:56,320 --> 00:21:01,399 Speaker 1: never see who they are, and and the fact that 330 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:04,600 Speaker 1: they're all kitted up. There's two things to take away 331 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:07,680 Speaker 1: from that. First off, if you're wearing police gear, which 332 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:10,480 Speaker 1: the thingk says police on the chest and the back, 333 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:16,240 Speaker 1: are you looking to blend in? Are you looking to 334 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:19,239 Speaker 1: be in a garment that is not going to make 335 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:24,880 Speaker 1: you more suspicious? Or maybe taking her unaware? Hey I'm 336 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:27,359 Speaker 1: with the police. We got a call here, and you 337 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 1: can creep up on her. You know, you can take 338 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:33,480 Speaker 1: the victim, you know, by surprise. Even more, you're adding 339 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:37,240 Speaker 1: another layer of the unknown there also, did they have 340 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:41,199 Speaker 1: knowledge of indwelling cameras inside of this place? So they 341 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:44,080 Speaker 1: have to protect their face, so they would have knowledge 342 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:48,960 Speaker 1: of not just the timetable, but also points of view 343 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:52,360 Speaker 1: in this environment. And the fact that the cameras were 344 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 1: not working outside. Oh my gosh, that is I can 345 00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:02,320 Speaker 1: only imagine that when when the police heard that, their 346 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:04,159 Speaker 1: heart must have sunk, and the people that are in 347 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:06,960 Speaker 1: charge of the cameras, they're probably like, oh my gosh, 348 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:10,160 Speaker 1: why do we even have these things on the outside 349 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:10,720 Speaker 1: of the church. 350 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:13,280 Speaker 2: I never really thought about the kit, wearing the kit 351 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:20,760 Speaker 2: inside Joe, but you know, wearing that full kit. If 352 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:24,359 Speaker 2: somebody was in the building for some reason other than 353 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:28,439 Speaker 2: Missy Beavers and he or she came upon that person, 354 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:30,960 Speaker 2: they would be wearing, you know, the full body kit 355 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:33,920 Speaker 2: and would actually have the upper hands say we got 356 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:36,000 Speaker 2: a call and we came to check it out. Sorry, 357 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:38,159 Speaker 2: you know, and then they could kill that person. That 358 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 2: person would be If I saw somebody in swat tactical 359 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:43,880 Speaker 2: gear with police written across the front, I would give 360 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:45,720 Speaker 2: it a second look of oh, okay, I'm good. 361 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:46,639 Speaker 1: You know, I'm not worried. 362 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:49,800 Speaker 2: If it's a person that just comes in there swinging 363 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:52,440 Speaker 2: a big hammer, you know, dressed in regular gear, yeah, 364 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:57,120 Speaker 2: I'm immediately defensive. But somebody in a swat that says police, 365 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:00,800 Speaker 2: I'm not really taking it back. I'm kind of comforted 366 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:02,560 Speaker 2: by the fact that I've got cops on hand in 367 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:04,359 Speaker 2: case there is something that went wrong. I didn't that 368 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:05,600 Speaker 2: did not occur to me till now. 369 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:07,840 Speaker 1: I got to throw something else at you too. That 370 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:11,600 Speaker 1: that's that's fascinating to me about this. Now the video 371 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:14,440 Speaker 1: is okay, I mean it's not. We've certainly seen worse, 372 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:19,240 Speaker 1: haven't we. I mean, you know, for a goodly portion 373 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:23,400 Speaker 1: of my career, shameless plug coming up here, I wore 374 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:28,960 Speaker 1: five to eleven gear, which is a uh it's it's 375 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:35,120 Speaker 1: clothing that is made for people, for people in uh 376 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:39,119 Speaker 1: police work. It's got interesting positions for pockets, you can 377 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:42,040 Speaker 1: carry all kinds of things in it in you know, 378 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:44,960 Speaker 1: in the pants. They have shirts, and they're they're made 379 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:47,080 Speaker 1: for people that are going out kind of in the 380 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:54,000 Speaker 1: rough and tumble world of working cases. They're you know, 381 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:57,399 Speaker 1: it's it's like a it's they're almost they're made out 382 00:23:57,400 --> 00:23:59,800 Speaker 1: of the same thing. Well, they appear to be made 383 00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:01,480 Speaker 1: out of same thing as like many of them that 384 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:04,119 Speaker 1: come in a variety of but just think old military 385 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:07,359 Speaker 1: khaki uniform forms. But they come in multiple colors. You know, 386 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 1: you got forest green, you got blue, the police blue, 387 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:17,000 Speaker 1: You've got black khaki color and all these sorts of things. Dave, 388 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:19,439 Speaker 1: I got to tell you, I wore five to eleven 389 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:24,240 Speaker 1: pants for a long long time. It takes a while 390 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:28,160 Speaker 1: to break these things in. And I got to tell 391 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:31,800 Speaker 1: you when I'm taking a look at this clothing, this 392 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:37,000 Speaker 1: this gear looks new. It doesn't it doesn't have wear 393 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:39,280 Speaker 1: on it, you know, like if you if because I 394 00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:42,000 Speaker 1: think some people have entertained the idea, well, is this 395 00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:44,680 Speaker 1: a police officer that just happened to have this gear 396 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:47,200 Speaker 1: and they just pull it out of their unit, put 397 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:50,679 Speaker 1: it on, and they go and assassinate this woman and 398 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:53,480 Speaker 1: one of the most brutal methodologies that you can bring 399 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:58,199 Speaker 1: to bear. You look at that and you begin to think, well, uh, 400 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:01,919 Speaker 1: did was it a police officer? It looks like something 401 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:06,840 Speaker 1: that has been ordered recently. And again that's another thread 402 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:10,439 Speaker 1: relative to this tactical gear. There are limited numbers of 403 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:15,199 Speaker 1: places that you can purchase this from. And knowing what 404 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:19,040 Speaker 1: I know of the FEDS, okay, and we've talked about 405 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 1: this clothing with the FEDS, they do a big focus 406 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:27,000 Speaker 1: FBI Lab does on identifying clothing, you know, button collections, 407 00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:32,280 Speaker 1: zipper collections, specific brands of clothing. And I really wonder 408 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:36,480 Speaker 1: how deep down that rabbit hole they went relative to 409 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:40,840 Speaker 1: all of those items that are being worn and going 410 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:43,800 Speaker 1: back and tracing all this stuff. Now, I know that 411 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:46,720 Speaker 1: other people have commented on this, but I think that 412 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:51,880 Speaker 1: that is certainly an area that would narrow narrow your 413 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:57,399 Speaker 1: field down here thinking about thinking about the origin of 414 00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:03,359 Speaker 1: this and this is a smallmmunity. So if you can extrapolate, 415 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:10,639 Speaker 1: you know, from that image specific branding, considering that it 416 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:14,440 Speaker 1: might be new, and did someone go to a shop 417 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:18,120 Speaker 1: because you know they're only they're only twenty five miles 418 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:23,720 Speaker 1: from Dallas Dave. There are police supply stores all over 419 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:27,440 Speaker 1: the place. All right, did they roll into a store 420 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:30,679 Speaker 1: or did they have it delivered to their house? And 421 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:34,600 Speaker 1: you're going to draw attention this way, So you know, 422 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:37,800 Speaker 1: that's another fascinating area of evidence here. And I think 423 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:43,600 Speaker 1: that when this case, hopefully it's eventually solved, we're going 424 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:45,560 Speaker 1: to find out a lot about that that we don't 425 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:52,359 Speaker 1: have to this point. But to that end, when you 426 00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:54,639 Speaker 1: look at this gear that they're wearing, you know what 427 00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:59,320 Speaker 1: I don't see. I don't see a pistol belt. I 428 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:05,160 Speaker 1: don't see a weapon that is there that would end 429 00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:10,719 Speaker 1: Missy's life in a quick and efficient manner. The weapon 430 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:15,000 Speaker 1: I do see is perhaps one of the most ghastly 431 00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:18,720 Speaker 1: implements that you could use to perpetrate a crime like this. 432 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:40,840 Speaker 1: I cannot imagine what it would be like to be 433 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:45,679 Speaker 1: the finder, and a finder in our terms in the 434 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:50,080 Speaker 1: medical legal world, we actually have a place on most 435 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:52,800 Speaker 1: of our documents. There's kind of a standard sheet that 436 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:56,040 Speaker 1: you fill out in a medical legal death investigation, and 437 00:27:56,200 --> 00:28:00,520 Speaker 1: there's a place that's listed on these documents that say finder. 438 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:04,240 Speaker 1: Some will say finder of remains. I cannot even begin 439 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:11,240 Speaker 1: to imagine being the finder of Missy's remains, particularly given 440 00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:13,240 Speaker 1: that it was one of her, as you said, Dave, 441 00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:17,520 Speaker 1: one of her campers, students who you know, let's face it, 442 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:21,119 Speaker 1: Missy was probably driving her very hard. She probably respected 443 00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:25,159 Speaker 1: Missy and was trying to help her get better physically. 444 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:28,160 Speaker 1: I can't imagine what it would be like to walk 445 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:33,920 Speaker 1: in and you're there prepared that day to work out, 446 00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:36,800 Speaker 1: you know that it's been moved inside, you're ad to 447 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:41,120 Speaker 1: rock and roll, and can you imagine just looking down 448 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:46,480 Speaker 1: at the floor and seeing seeing your instructor's body, a term. 449 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:50,440 Speaker 2: That we used, stumbled stumbled upon, that's the term that 450 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:54,920 Speaker 2: is used. And because we don't know what we know 451 00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:57,920 Speaker 2: so much about this crime and so little about the 452 00:28:57,960 --> 00:28:59,080 Speaker 2: actual act. 453 00:28:58,960 --> 00:28:59,640 Speaker 1: Of the crime. 454 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:03,640 Speaker 2: And I don't know if time I've ever seen the 455 00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:09,200 Speaker 2: video of a suspect before the act took place like 456 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:11,000 Speaker 2: we did on this one, which is why you and 457 00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:13,280 Speaker 2: I are many many others who covered the case thought, 458 00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:16,440 Speaker 2: surely this is going to be solved quickly. You've got 459 00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:21,280 Speaker 2: a married woman working out people early in the morning hours, 460 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:24,000 Speaker 2: and there are going to be plenty of suspects. You're 461 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,280 Speaker 2: going to be able to filter those out and boom, 462 00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:28,360 Speaker 2: we're going to have this solved in forty eight hours. 463 00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:31,400 Speaker 2: But it didn't happen. And when police released the video 464 00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:36,480 Speaker 2: of showing her his or her gait the tackle gear, 465 00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:38,600 Speaker 2: you said it looked like maybe it was brand new. 466 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:40,600 Speaker 2: It didn't look like it had really been worn much 467 00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:44,960 Speaker 2: the outfit that the suspect is wearing. But when the 468 00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:51,880 Speaker 2: camper stumbles across the body of Missy Beavers, the chaos 469 00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:54,640 Speaker 2: that ensued in that person's mind and calling for help 470 00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:57,120 Speaker 2: calling nine one one. There are actually two nine one 471 00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:01,680 Speaker 2: one calls made. We don't know the content of either one, 472 00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:05,360 Speaker 2: except that there was chaos in finding the body of Missy. 473 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:07,920 Speaker 2: Beavers and police were on the way right away and 474 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,800 Speaker 2: she was pronounced dead at the scene. But what we 475 00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:15,320 Speaker 2: were told, Joe, is that while we saw the suspect 476 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:20,080 Speaker 2: walking through the halls of the building, that the suspect 477 00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:22,680 Speaker 2: had a long hammer. Is what it was described as 478 00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:26,400 Speaker 2: a long hammer, and that's what we were led to believe, 479 00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:30,320 Speaker 2: was not led to believe, actually told that was the 480 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:34,720 Speaker 2: murder weapon. But around Missy's body, we haven't seen pictures 481 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:36,640 Speaker 2: of this, just so you know, I know they exist, 482 00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:39,960 Speaker 2: but we haven't seen them. Around her body were other tools, 483 00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:44,479 Speaker 2: and all of the tools were from the church, meaning 484 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:48,000 Speaker 2: that this suspect did not show up, as you mentioned, 485 00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:50,640 Speaker 2: did not have a gun belt on. But this suspect 486 00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:54,480 Speaker 2: did not show up with the tools that were found 487 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,920 Speaker 2: around Missy's body. We don't know how many, but we 488 00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:02,920 Speaker 2: know that it was plural tools and it appeared that 489 00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:07,680 Speaker 2: she had been hit in the head and chest with 490 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:14,959 Speaker 2: the hammer. But they talk they being the police and 491 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:18,680 Speaker 2: medical professionals, and the autopsy at least the parts that 492 00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:20,760 Speaker 2: we've seen, they refer to puncture wounds. 493 00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:22,680 Speaker 1: Joe, and having. 494 00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:24,920 Speaker 2: Done this show with you long enough now I know 495 00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:29,360 Speaker 2: that what some people call a puncture wound is not 496 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,360 Speaker 2: necessarily how you refer to a puncture wound. And I 497 00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:35,480 Speaker 2: certainly couldn't figure out, other than using the claw end 498 00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:38,320 Speaker 2: of a hammer, how to create a puncture wound into 499 00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:41,720 Speaker 2: a person's body or head for that matter. So I'm 500 00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:46,680 Speaker 2: hoping that based on the limiteds off that we have 501 00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:50,760 Speaker 2: about the death scene, that you can explain what happened. 502 00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:54,600 Speaker 1: You know, when we talk about tools that are laying 503 00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:56,720 Speaker 1: about the body, let's start there just for a second, 504 00:31:56,760 --> 00:32:02,600 Speaker 1: because that gives you an endation. If they're approximating the 505 00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:07,080 Speaker 1: body and they were from the church, then that means 506 00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:12,160 Speaker 1: that those implements are not burglary tools, because when people 507 00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:19,440 Speaker 1: burglarize a structure, people don't know this maybe, but you know, 508 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:23,440 Speaker 1: it's just like a carpenter. If you're a professional thief, 509 00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:26,080 Speaker 1: you have a tool set that you use. You get 510 00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:27,920 Speaker 1: used to those tools. You know what they feel like. 511 00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:30,920 Speaker 1: You can actually find them in the dark, just feeling 512 00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:33,840 Speaker 1: the contents of a bag, and they'll have a kit 513 00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,560 Speaker 1: that they carry with them. So if this is something 514 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:40,840 Speaker 1: that was acquired within the church, that goes out of 515 00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:44,520 Speaker 1: all the ways that this person was seemingly prepared as 516 00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:48,000 Speaker 1: far as timeline, clothing, all of this sort of thing. 517 00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:54,600 Speaker 1: They show up, they acquire tools from inside this place. Well, 518 00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:56,800 Speaker 1: how would you know where in the world to go 519 00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:02,280 Speaker 1: into this Church of Christ, this kind of far flung area, 520 00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:04,600 Speaker 1: even though it's twenty five miles from Dallas, it's out. 521 00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:07,320 Speaker 1: I mean, once you get out from Dallas, there's a 522 00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:11,000 Speaker 1: whole lot of out Okay, if you've never been there, 523 00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:14,600 Speaker 1: there's a whole lot of out out there, which. 524 00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:18,280 Speaker 2: Means mid Lothian is a like from a community standpoint, 525 00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:21,000 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's self content is not just a suburb 526 00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:23,800 Speaker 2: of Dallas. It is a self contained area that when 527 00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:26,120 Speaker 2: you live in this area, you're not really required to 528 00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:28,640 Speaker 2: drive a whole lot of distance to find whatever you need. 529 00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:29,960 Speaker 2: It can all be dealt. 530 00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:30,240 Speaker 1: With right there. 531 00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:32,560 Speaker 2: But you have access to the big city life of 532 00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:35,600 Speaker 2: a top market like Dallas for it worth, Yeah. 533 00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:38,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, you do. And you know any basic basic needs 534 00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:42,520 Speaker 1: can probably be met there. Okay, but you know you 535 00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:45,480 Speaker 1: think about why were these other tools there, and then 536 00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:49,240 Speaker 1: that goes to this idea of this so called long hammer. 537 00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:52,680 Speaker 1: When they're saying long hammer. Now I can only base 538 00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:59,880 Speaker 1: this upon what I am visualizing in in the videography. 539 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:03,520 Speaker 1: When you consider this long hammer, it looks as though 540 00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:07,160 Speaker 1: when you say long hammer, or you wonder if they're 541 00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:10,520 Speaker 1: saying the handle is long, because it does look longer 542 00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:14,520 Speaker 1: than you would normally see for a hammer, you know, 543 00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:18,600 Speaker 1: a standard claw hammer that you know a carpenter might use, 544 00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:21,000 Speaker 1: or that you just use around your house just to 545 00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:24,080 Speaker 1: hang pictures with hammers come in all shapes and sizes. 546 00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:26,080 Speaker 1: But Dave, you know what really struck me about the 547 00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:29,120 Speaker 1: structure of this thing. It was not the long handle. 548 00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:32,960 Speaker 1: It was the head of this thing. When I saw this, 549 00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:38,040 Speaker 1: and I remember thinking about this many years ago, it 550 00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:44,160 Speaker 1: looked to me almost like a geology hammer that you 551 00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:47,880 Speaker 1: would see out in the field. That was my first blush, 552 00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:50,239 Speaker 1: because it looked like it had the regular head of 553 00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:53,560 Speaker 1: a hammer, the business end of the hammer, as you will, 554 00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:56,000 Speaker 1: but on the backside where you would normally have a claw. 555 00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:58,600 Speaker 1: I swear, Dave, this thing that looked like it had 556 00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:01,200 Speaker 1: a pick on the end of it. It did, you know? 557 00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:05,640 Speaker 1: And I can't I can't appreciate it fully. And you know, 558 00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:11,520 Speaker 1: if you've never seen a geology hammer, they're used for 559 00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:16,000 Speaker 1: chipping away stone, all right, and for accessing particular areas 560 00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:19,399 Speaker 1: that are different difficult for geologists to get in. And 561 00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:24,279 Speaker 1: they need both a wide a wide surface to strike with, 562 00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:26,879 Speaker 1: and then they need a very pointed surface to strike with. 563 00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:33,000 Speaker 1: So I was thinking relative to these puncture wounds that 564 00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:37,320 Speaker 1: were going that they have stated now that she had sustained, 565 00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:41,320 Speaker 1: and they were about the head and the chest. Puncture 566 00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:46,239 Speaker 1: wounds can be generated in any any number ways. As 567 00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:48,680 Speaker 1: a matter of fact, let me kind of let me 568 00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:51,400 Speaker 1: give you an insight into the tiniest puncture wound you 569 00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:53,719 Speaker 1: can have. Did you know, do you know what the 570 00:35:56,600 --> 00:36:03,120 Speaker 1: what the acronym for or what the acronym NPW stands 571 00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:09,399 Speaker 1: for no needle puncture wound. So if like, if we're 572 00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:13,280 Speaker 1: examining a body, you know, like somebody that has odd 573 00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:17,880 Speaker 1: or somebody that's had therapeutic intervention in a hospital, and 574 00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:21,400 Speaker 1: you look at their arms, okay, if they've got little 575 00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,600 Speaker 1: areas there where a needle has ended, that's actually a 576 00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,520 Speaker 1: puncture one, okay. And generally how it's defined is that 577 00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:33,240 Speaker 1: you have to have some type of leading pointed sharp 578 00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:37,600 Speaker 1: edge on it. Now you can't have I've had impalements 579 00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:39,640 Speaker 1: over the years where I've had people that have dropped 580 00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:44,520 Speaker 1: onto cast iron fencing. I've had people that have had 581 00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:47,520 Speaker 1: logs driven through their body, and those technically are puncture 582 00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:52,120 Speaker 1: wounds or impalements with associated puncture ones. But they're saying 583 00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:57,080 Speaker 1: multiple puncture wounds here, and you have to think about 584 00:36:57,480 --> 00:36:59,719 Speaker 1: what does that mean, because if it if you were 585 00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:02,959 Speaker 1: used that hammer and you're using what we commonly refer 586 00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:05,320 Speaker 1: to as the business end of the hammer, that blended area, 587 00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:11,360 Speaker 1: you're going to have a strike that will lacerate the skin, 588 00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:15,200 Speaker 1: It'll tear the skin, and also, particularly with head strikes, 589 00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:19,279 Speaker 1: you're going to have underlying fractures and these things will 590 00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:23,360 Speaker 1: be very robust. Dave hammer attacks are some of the 591 00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:30,319 Speaker 1: most brutal that you can ever encounter out out in 592 00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:34,840 Speaker 1: the field. With a puncture wound, it doesn't look like 593 00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:39,080 Speaker 1: a stab wound. These are not stabs, all right. Even 594 00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:42,960 Speaker 1: though a blade, which is what stab wounds are associated with, 595 00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:47,120 Speaker 1: has a leading pointed edge, it also broadens out as 596 00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:50,480 Speaker 1: the knife or the sharp instrument. It could be a machedy, 597 00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:53,200 Speaker 1: a sword, a knife as it enters the body, it 598 00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:58,360 Speaker 1: will make a slit, like a slit like insult to 599 00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:02,880 Speaker 1: the body. There was a period of time in my 600 00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:08,360 Speaker 1: career where I worked several cases involving homeless people that 601 00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:12,960 Speaker 1: have taken rebar off of partially collapsed buildings, cut them 602 00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:17,120 Speaker 1: off and wrapped one end of the rebar with duct 603 00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:21,560 Speaker 1: tape and filed the tip of steel rebar down so 604 00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:24,120 Speaker 1: that it makes a very sharp point and they can 605 00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:26,200 Speaker 1: carry in their pocket like a shift you know, like 606 00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:29,680 Speaker 1: you see in prison. And the interesting thing about now, 607 00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:33,000 Speaker 1: those are puncture wounds. The interesting thing about it is 608 00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:36,759 Speaker 1: when you essentially insert this into somebody's body, guess what 609 00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:41,280 Speaker 1: it looks like. Looks like gunshot wound because it's that caliber. 610 00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:45,799 Speaker 1: So when they're saying puncture wound, this is very very specific. Now, 611 00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:49,000 Speaker 1: are there other things out there that could create a 612 00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:56,000 Speaker 1: puncture womb? Well, I've heard some people mentioned the term 613 00:38:56,320 --> 00:39:01,040 Speaker 1: screwdriver is a screwed as a street. 614 00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:04,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, but let me back up, could you say screwdriver? 615 00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:04,279 Speaker 1: Joe? 616 00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:07,080 Speaker 2: And we have covered this story again as I mentioned 617 00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:10,040 Speaker 2: a minute ago, you run with the Nancy Grace, Yeah, 618 00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:13,680 Speaker 2: on her by the way, shameless plug. Nancy had her 619 00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:17,040 Speaker 2: show is now on the network that Doctor Phil has 620 00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:20,759 Speaker 2: launched Merritt Street Media, And on that show, you heard 621 00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:25,800 Speaker 2: Something by Scott Brooks. Scott Brooks is a friend of 622 00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:30,800 Speaker 2: Missy Beaver's husband and has been for a long Brandon 623 00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:33,920 Speaker 2: Beaver's and Brandon Beaver sat down with Scott Brooks and 624 00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:37,880 Speaker 2: did a long form interview. He hasn't talked to police 625 00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:40,279 Speaker 2: much over the last several years. I mean, he has 626 00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:42,720 Speaker 2: not talked to the public much over the last several years. 627 00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:45,880 Speaker 2: And here coming up on the eight year anniversary or 628 00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:49,960 Speaker 2: marking of her murder, Brandon sat down with Scott Brooks 629 00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,600 Speaker 2: and these things came out. So Scott Brooks was booked 630 00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:55,600 Speaker 2: onto the show as a guest along with you and 631 00:39:56,000 --> 00:40:00,239 Speaker 2: miss and Nancy Grace, and he said, the screwdriver, this 632 00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:02,680 Speaker 2: is not anything I had ever heard. And I've covered 633 00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:06,080 Speaker 2: this story since it began, Joe, and the only thing 634 00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:08,920 Speaker 2: I had ever heard until Nancy Gray show this past 635 00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:14,120 Speaker 2: week was that long hammered that he or she was 636 00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:17,640 Speaker 2: carrying throughout the building. That's what I thought was the weapon. 637 00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:22,279 Speaker 2: But then Scott Brooks says it's a screwdriver. That's a 638 00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:23,160 Speaker 2: big difference to me. 639 00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:28,360 Speaker 1: Joe it is, and screwdriver injuries are going to be Now, Okay, 640 00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:31,880 Speaker 1: first off, we have to categorize the screwdriver because as 641 00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:37,600 Speaker 1: you and I both know honeydew List, right, Yeah, if 642 00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:42,440 Speaker 1: are you using a Phillips or are you using a 643 00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:47,239 Speaker 1: flathead traditional screwdriver? Okay, those two injuries are going to 644 00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:50,239 Speaker 1: look different, all right. So if you think about a 645 00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:54,120 Speaker 1: Phillips which comes to a very distinct point on the end, 646 00:40:55,120 --> 00:41:01,960 Speaker 1: that again can generate a classic look puncture wound. And 647 00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:05,439 Speaker 1: so if you get those in tight well, I don't 648 00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:07,080 Speaker 1: want to get off into that yet, because there's a 649 00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:11,840 Speaker 1: whole there's a whole, a whole profile that comes up 650 00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:14,360 Speaker 1: with puncture wounds like this in a very intimate space. 651 00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:20,080 Speaker 1: But those injuries generated by safer instance, a classic Phillips 652 00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:26,880 Speaker 1: head screwdriver are going to appear completely different than safer instance, 653 00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:29,000 Speaker 1: a flathead. And as a matter of fact, do you 654 00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:32,040 Speaker 1: know what they call the tip of a flathead screwdriver? 655 00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:35,239 Speaker 1: They call it a blade. It's actually referred Yeah, that's 656 00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:37,480 Speaker 1: actually referred to a blade. And you think about it, 657 00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:39,600 Speaker 1: and you put it in the slot, and you can 658 00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:41,719 Speaker 1: tighten and you can loosen and all that sort of thing. 659 00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:47,320 Speaker 1: It's not as ergonomically effective, I don't think as a Phillips. 660 00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:50,839 Speaker 1: That's why Phillips was developed. And there have been other 661 00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:52,720 Speaker 1: iterations of these things a long way. 662 00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:55,640 Speaker 2: Like you and me know that the butter knife also 663 00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:57,920 Speaker 2: can serve as a bit it can used on this, 664 00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:01,839 Speaker 2: yes it can. And spoons work real well too, as 665 00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:05,080 Speaker 2: a matter of fact, but that's I guess. I just 666 00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:08,160 Speaker 2: had never heard screw to ever mentioned in this case at. 667 00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:10,440 Speaker 1: All, and I had neither, and so I was And 668 00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:12,520 Speaker 1: that's one of the reasons I kind of wanted to 669 00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:16,480 Speaker 1: explore this with you because when he drops this information, 670 00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:18,040 Speaker 1: and I know that there are a lot of people 671 00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:20,000 Speaker 1: out there that have been following this case for years. 672 00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:22,720 Speaker 1: Maybe other people have heard this and maybe other people 673 00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:26,480 Speaker 1: have commented on it, but from a forensic standpoint, it 674 00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:31,680 Speaker 1: is very unique. I, like you, had always thought that 675 00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:36,160 Speaker 1: it was the hammer and to facilitate this kind of 676 00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:41,520 Speaker 1: multiple injuries. And here's the other thing. Day. Now, this 677 00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:51,440 Speaker 1: goes into the nature of this attack. Bludgeonings and knife attacks, 678 00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:55,719 Speaker 1: sharp force injury attacks, as you and I have discussed, 679 00:42:56,000 --> 00:43:01,200 Speaker 1: are the most intimate of all kinds of homicides. It's 680 00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:03,759 Speaker 1: not like you're shooting somebody from across the room, Dave. 681 00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:07,239 Speaker 1: And again we go back to what did I say 682 00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:09,920 Speaker 1: earlier in the video. I'm seeing there, I ain't wearing 683 00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:11,480 Speaker 1: a gun belt. Doesn't mean they don't have a gun 684 00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:14,600 Speaker 1: on them. I'm just saying I didn't show up with 685 00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:19,640 Speaker 1: a gun to dispatch Missy. And I'm not going to 686 00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:24,920 Speaker 1: use the term humane in a quick manner. Okay, this 687 00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:28,200 Speaker 1: is not like we're talking about headshot, all right. We're 688 00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:34,080 Speaker 1: talking about being in her space. We're talking about being 689 00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:37,360 Speaker 1: up close and personal. Maybe after you've gotten the upper hand, 690 00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:41,880 Speaker 1: because this person obviously weighs more than Missy. Now Missy 691 00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:46,520 Speaker 1: is you know, she's well defined, she's in shape. But 692 00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:49,359 Speaker 1: if that person got leverage on her and got her 693 00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:54,640 Speaker 1: down to the ground and starts attacking her with the 694 00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:59,040 Speaker 1: scene which I worked hammer attacks before, where the individual 695 00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:04,719 Speaker 1: was on top of the individual just pounding away, this 696 00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:10,160 Speaker 1: is going to be markedly gruesome. And what you're going 697 00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:14,719 Speaker 1: to see is you'll see perhaps and this is kind 698 00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:17,319 Speaker 1: of the way we interpret these things. Many times, if 699 00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:21,520 Speaker 1: there's an initial attack with an instrument, you might have, 700 00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:27,839 Speaker 1: you might have weapons or injuries that are kind of 701 00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:32,160 Speaker 1: diffuse Okay, they're away from a central area. That might 702 00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:35,800 Speaker 1: be the initial injuries because you're trying to wound the person. 703 00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:38,120 Speaker 1: But once they get wounded, say they grip an area 704 00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:40,640 Speaker 1: like a shoulder or something like that. After they've been injured, 705 00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:43,200 Speaker 1: the next thing, you know, the perpetrator, who has a 706 00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:46,759 Speaker 1: tremendous amount of will about them, wrestles this individual to 707 00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:49,240 Speaker 1: the floor. Now you're on top of them, and these 708 00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:54,200 Speaker 1: injuries suddenly become concentrated. Day almost like a shot group 709 00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:58,080 Speaker 1: with finding a pistol where you're trying to tighten that 710 00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:00,640 Speaker 1: group down. Well, now you're right on top above them. 711 00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:04,919 Speaker 1: You're driving this instrument into her body over and over 712 00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:08,319 Speaker 1: and Dave, here's the thing. It wasn't like it was 713 00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:12,960 Speaker 1: just driven into her chest. We're talking about she's got 714 00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:17,399 Speaker 1: these puncture wounds to her head. That you're off into 715 00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:21,759 Speaker 1: a completely different area here, because now you're in an 716 00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:28,680 Speaker 1: area that could imply disfigurement, maiming, destruction, those sorts of 717 00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:33,040 Speaker 1: things where you're trying to really damage her to the 718 00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:37,240 Speaker 1: point you're not just simply trying to end her life 719 00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:41,160 Speaker 1: at this point in time. And again we're left with 720 00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:45,239 Speaker 1: again more questions than answers, because we don't know the 721 00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:49,520 Speaker 1: specifics around the case, as far as some of the 722 00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:53,279 Speaker 1: more pointed bits of evidence along the way that the 723 00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:58,560 Speaker 1: police do know. I'm still baffled. I think to this 724 00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:04,280 Speaker 1: point that we're given a very small population in this area, 725 00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:07,720 Speaker 1: at a very specific location, at a very specific time, 726 00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:16,680 Speaker 1: and with a very apparently concentrated attack on this woman 727 00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:22,960 Speaker 1: with something that could be termed not the most merciful 728 00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:27,160 Speaker 1: way to kill somebody. And we're talking about a person 729 00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:31,440 Speaker 1: that showed up prepared, prepared from the perspective of understanding 730 00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:35,520 Speaker 1: what was going on outside the church, in that the 731 00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:38,560 Speaker 1: classes had been moved indoors, they knew about the weather, 732 00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:41,440 Speaker 1: they knew that it was happening at that particular time, 733 00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:45,760 Speaker 1: and they're wearing very specific garb. It seems as though 734 00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:50,120 Speaker 1: that there is a huge collection of breadcrumbs here. I 735 00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:54,479 Speaker 1: just don't know if they found the path to quite 736 00:46:54,520 --> 00:47:01,040 Speaker 1: follow yet. I'm Josephcott Morgan and this is body packs. 737 00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:06,040 Speaker 2: Mm hmm.