WEBVTT - Episode #2: Maple Syrup Brothers

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<v Speaker 1>you'd never before even considered. Today reporter Otis Gray ventures

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<v Speaker 1>out into the deep woods of rural Vermont to meet

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<v Speaker 1>the Stuart family. Vermont is a state historically known for

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<v Speaker 1>its agrarian businesses, but a lot of these jobs have

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<v Speaker 1>faded away over the last few decades. In this iconic

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<v Speaker 1>New England landscape, the Stuarts run a high stakes operation

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<v Speaker 1>that is totally dependent on each other, the community, and

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<v Speaker 1>the environment they live in. Here's Otis. So for the

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<v Speaker 1>Stuart family, today is a big day. Yeah, today is

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<v Speaker 1>game day, if not the super Bowl. So we're doing

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<v Speaker 1>the thing. That's twenty three year old Tanner Stewart and

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<v Speaker 1>he says super Bowl because running the Stewart's business is

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<v Speaker 1>like running a football team if the off season were

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<v Speaker 1>ten to eleven months long. His brother Elliott and his

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<v Speaker 1>dad Mark agree, Yeah, Yeah, it's that's exactly what it is.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like the playoffs every day, and if you lose

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<v Speaker 1>the super Bowl, that sucks. You've got to think about

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<v Speaker 1>it for a year. And that's basically what happens. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot to take on, but at the same time,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of good rewards. The reason the stakes

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<v Speaker 1>are so high is because the family is in the

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<v Speaker 1>third year of running Stewart maple. Maple syrup is a

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<v Speaker 1>huge commodity in the Green Mountain State and is a

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<v Speaker 1>big part of its identity, kind of like how wine

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<v Speaker 1>is to Italy. But the window for harvesting maple syrup

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<v Speaker 1>usually lasts only three to five weeks. So unlike most

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<v Speaker 1>businesses where if you have a bad month you just

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<v Speaker 1>try to do better the next one, the Stewarts have

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<v Speaker 1>to make enough money in just one month to support

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<v Speaker 1>them and their business, and no matter how much they

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<v Speaker 1>prep in the off season, a lot of their success

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<v Speaker 1>is totally dependent on the weather. Yeah, yeah, exactly, And

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<v Speaker 1>that's I guess that's the uniqueness of it all, is

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<v Speaker 1>that we really are are on a small window from

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<v Speaker 1>that winter to summer range where we gotta make everything.

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna be following Elliot today, but it's important to

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<v Speaker 1>note that the whole family has gone all in on

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<v Speaker 1>Stuart Mable. I'm Taras Stewart again, Elliot's brother. My name

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<v Speaker 1>is Elissa Turgeon. I'm Elliott Stewart's fiance. Ah, I'm Mark Stewart.

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<v Speaker 1>Elliot's dad, all right, Paul Stewart, his uncle, I'm Gina,

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<v Speaker 1>and of course his mom Gina Stewart, who Elliot says

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<v Speaker 1>is the unsung hero of the business. Oh, that's really nice.

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<v Speaker 1>I make cookies. That's the most important part. She's being modest.

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<v Speaker 1>She runs the finances of the business and a million

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<v Speaker 1>other things, while the rest play pivotal roles as well,

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<v Speaker 1>from sales to social media to the actual boiling of

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<v Speaker 1>the syrup. Yeah, every single person in our family plays

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<v Speaker 1>a huge role in the business, and there's not really

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<v Speaker 1>one person that could be replaced. Having grown up in

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<v Speaker 1>Vermont myself, I know that every winter is completely different

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<v Speaker 1>and you never know what it will bring. But for

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<v Speaker 1>the Stewarts, that unknown is directly tied to their livelihood,

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<v Speaker 1>and every year around March it always comes down to

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<v Speaker 1>one question, will the sap run. It's a beautiful sunny

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<v Speaker 1>March day, snow on the ground, and Elliott Stewart is

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<v Speaker 1>trying to start our snowmobile so we can go out

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<v Speaker 1>into the woods. Boy that doesn't run. Probably, to make syrup,

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<v Speaker 1>you first drill a hole into a maple tree and

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<v Speaker 1>you tap a little pipe into it. When it gets

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<v Speaker 1>about freezing the tree, sap drips out of the tap,

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<v Speaker 1>looking kind of like water. You collect it and then

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<v Speaker 1>you boil it down to make it more pure and syrupy.

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<v Speaker 1>But it takes a lot to make a little. About

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<v Speaker 1>forty gallons of sap will make one gallon of syrup.

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<v Speaker 1>So the Stewarts have to tap a lot of trees

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<v Speaker 1>to make a profit. And this year they've tapped twenty

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<v Speaker 1>thousand trees. And one of Elliot's jobs is to go

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<v Speaker 1>around the woods and make sure that all of those

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<v Speaker 1>taps are working just the way that they should. We're up,

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<v Speaker 1>so I'm on the back as Elliott takes me through

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<v Speaker 1>the winding trails of the Stuart's Sugar Bush, jugar Bush

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<v Speaker 1>being the twelve hundred acres of land and maple trees

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<v Speaker 1>that the family has tapped to collect pure maple sap.

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<v Speaker 1>The lines go eight thousand feet in each direction from

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<v Speaker 1>the sugar house. It's about a little over six hundred

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<v Speaker 1>acres of lines that flow to the sugar house, so

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's quite a bit of ground to cover. The

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<v Speaker 1>land itself is shaped like a bowl, a little valley

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<v Speaker 1>surrounded by mountains covered in maple trees. Light blue tubes

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<v Speaker 1>that collect sap run like phone lines through the woods

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<v Speaker 1>and along the trail. It's tough to ring. And we're

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<v Speaker 1>riding along a trail that looks down at an alarming

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<v Speaker 1>steep ravine on the left hand side the main lines

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<v Speaker 1>on our left here there are two inch pipes and

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<v Speaker 1>it's uh, it's a long ways down to the river

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<v Speaker 1>down below. So you're climbing down in this ridge. It's

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<v Speaker 1>like well like sixty degrees trying to get the taps in. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's steep. It's definitely. There's some spots where you're

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<v Speaker 1>just like you're hanging on you know, you got to

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<v Speaker 1>climb with your hands in some spots, and those are

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<v Speaker 1>those are always fun days. Nobody wants to go to

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<v Speaker 1>that section of the woods. You break your ankle. You're

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<v Speaker 1>on your own on a snowmobile, riding through some of

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<v Speaker 1>New England's iconically beautiful woods. You might get kind of

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<v Speaker 1>jealous that this is Elliott's day to day job. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's definitely. I mean, I'm not mad about it. It's definitely.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's not too bad of a thing. Fair weather,

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<v Speaker 1>it's all good. It's the nasty days that are hard.

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<v Speaker 1>It is an all sweet, delicious syrup and Robert Frosty

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<v Speaker 1>and landscapes. The business end of Stuart maple Aside. Their

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<v Speaker 1>success is highly dependent on mother nature, so there are

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of variables and the stakes are high. Most

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<v Speaker 1>of their days are taken up just maintaining the lines

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<v Speaker 1>between fallen trees and leaks or bad taps and animals

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<v Speaker 1>biting the lines. Anything could interfere with the SAP running.

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<v Speaker 1>If you don't take things day to day, it's very overwhelming,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, when you think about the woods as a whole.

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<v Speaker 1>We have twelve acres of land with trees down everywhere.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you're like, if you wake up in the

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<v Speaker 1>morning and you think you're gonna get it done that day,

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<v Speaker 1>like you're gonna drive yourself crazy. You gotta take a

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<v Speaker 1>day to day and do one step at a time,

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<v Speaker 1>and as long as you're working hard and getting something

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<v Speaker 1>done every day, it's one step in the right direction. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>just being out here in the woods all the time,

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<v Speaker 1>you're out in the fresh air and you can think

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<v Speaker 1>so clearly, and so that honestly, it kind of helps

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<v Speaker 1>me to be able to process things where you have

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<v Speaker 1>like five million different things going on, but you can

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<v Speaker 1>you can easily kind of just go through everything in

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<v Speaker 1>your head because there's no distractions. You're out here in

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<v Speaker 1>the woods. There's no noise, it's just cold, and you're

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<v Speaker 1>just you're just out there hiking. By the time you

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<v Speaker 1>get tired or you're cold, you go back in and

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<v Speaker 1>you do it all again the next day, and there's

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<v Speaker 1>no there's no weekends. You just do it any day

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<v Speaker 1>the weather is good. It's relaxing in a sense. So

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<v Speaker 1>that's what you don't want. So that's a that's a

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<v Speaker 1>big leak, so that what that does. You can see

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<v Speaker 1>in the line. Each one of these blue lines connects

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<v Speaker 1>to many trees. They all run down to the sugar

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<v Speaker 1>house below where we started our ride. The lines are

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<v Speaker 1>airtight and pull the SAP through a vacuum system through

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<v Speaker 1>the woods. But if there's a leak like this one,

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<v Speaker 1>there's no vacuum pressure and any trees behind that leak

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<v Speaker 1>will be stopped from running as well. Again, this is

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<v Speaker 1>one of twenty eight thousand taps that they have to

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<v Speaker 1>keep an eye on. This one's a pretty steep one

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<v Speaker 1>right here, riding down one of the trails and we

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<v Speaker 1>have to duck under a big treat that felt right

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<v Speaker 1>down over one of the main lines. A pretty common

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<v Speaker 1>nuisance that becomes a serious problem with big storms like

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<v Speaker 1>this past fall November December time. There we had that

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<v Speaker 1>crazy heavy wet snow that blanketed the trees, snapped branches,

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<v Speaker 1>and so we just had we had quite a mess

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<v Speaker 1>on our hands. It looked like a bomb went off

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<v Speaker 1>in the woods. Like, oh, man, we had all these

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<v Speaker 1>lines all cleaned up ready to go, and then oh

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<v Speaker 1>we got to go back through more chain, said work

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<v Speaker 1>for a couple of weeks. Elliot's twenty five now. He

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<v Speaker 1>spent a year at college before deciding he wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>come back home and go full time into sugaring. He

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<v Speaker 1>eventually convinced his brother Tanner, who's now twenty three, to

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<v Speaker 1>do the same. And this is unique here. A lot

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<v Speaker 1>of young people are leaving Vermont to go find work

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<v Speaker 1>in bigger cities and lesser sticking around to carry on

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<v Speaker 1>the agrarian businesses that have long been a big part

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<v Speaker 1>of the culture. Yeah, we definitely are on an island.

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<v Speaker 1>It's definitely. Uh, there's just not a lot of people

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<v Speaker 1>doing like going out on the limb and just hoping

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<v Speaker 1>that it works. And you know, we're fortunately our parents

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<v Speaker 1>have supported us with it. My dad's done a similar

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<v Speaker 1>thing where he was a carpenter all his life and uh,

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<v Speaker 1>and he took went out on the limb with us

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<v Speaker 1>um and did the sugaring full time. UM. So we've

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<v Speaker 1>we've we've basically got to the point where we're like, Okay, well,

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<v Speaker 1>if we're going to do this, we have to leap.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that's actually what's made us pretty successful

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<v Speaker 1>at it is that we are one hundred percent committed.

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<v Speaker 1>So like when we go home at the end of

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<v Speaker 1>the day, we talk about maple syrup. We wake up

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<v Speaker 1>in the morning where everything is maple all the time,

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<v Speaker 1>and so we have there's about seventy acres of trees

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<v Speaker 1>over there, and so that at times can can be

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<v Speaker 1>a negative because we struggle to shut off from it.

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<v Speaker 1>So there's a lot of times where it's just like, wow,

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<v Speaker 1>we've talked nothing about life at all outside of maple syrup.

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<v Speaker 1>In the off season, the steward spend the entire year

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<v Speaker 1>prepping for this month, removing old lines, making new trails,

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<v Speaker 1>repairing damage ones, drilling new trees, finding vendors to buy

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<v Speaker 1>the syrup once they have it. It's a monumental amount

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<v Speaker 1>of work that all leads up to right now, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you work for nine months, ten months, you don't ever

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<v Speaker 1>make a penny. You get to a point where you

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<v Speaker 1>can start to question what you're doing. You're like, wow,

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't made a single dollar in a long time.

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<v Speaker 1>You have to really have a good mindset with it

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<v Speaker 1>and have to trust that you know what you're doing,

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<v Speaker 1>because if you start to question it, then it's like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh boy, got we got issues. We'll get back to

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<v Speaker 1>to our story. We'll back down in the sugar house.

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<v Speaker 1>You can see pretty quick that after putting in all

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<v Speaker 1>of that work, the payoff can be pretty sweet. That

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<v Speaker 1>is the sound of sap flowing a lot of it

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<v Speaker 1>down at the sugar House. All the lines from the

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<v Speaker 1>woods feed into this big cement box the size of

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<v Speaker 1>a small basement, lined with a food safe plastic. It's

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<v Speaker 1>really good site for you. Yeah, oh yeah, this is exciting.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the excitement that we wait for throughout the year.

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<v Speaker 1>This is what we work for, and it's rewarding to

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<v Speaker 1>see it happened like this. That is a swimming pool

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<v Speaker 1>filled with a sap. I think we'll probably be close

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<v Speaker 1>to eighty thousand gallons of sap over the last like

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<v Speaker 1>forty eight hours, which is a lot. This basement size

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<v Speaker 1>holding tank where the sap runs into it fills fast.

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<v Speaker 1>And now this is when Elliott's dad Mark lets the

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<v Speaker 1>sap flow into a giant boiler that looks like a

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<v Speaker 1>stainless steel train car. And this right here is how

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<v Speaker 1>they make their finished product. They boil out most of

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<v Speaker 1>the water, turning the sap from two percent sugar into

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<v Speaker 1>sixty six percent sugar. So how many gallons are you

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<v Speaker 1>going to be making a day thing? Probably around five

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<v Speaker 1>hundred gallons somewhere in there, five to six hundred gallons

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<v Speaker 1>of syrup a finished product, finished product, yet lots of

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<v Speaker 1>syrup in a short amount of time, with to day

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<v Speaker 1>being game day, I asked the rest of the family

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<v Speaker 1>how they were feeling today is awesome. It's wonderful to

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<v Speaker 1>see the sun come out and the SAP finally run

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<v Speaker 1>and it's a good thing. And how's the Super Bowl

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<v Speaker 1>going today? Not bad? I think we're up at halftime.

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<v Speaker 1>We're doing well right now, so not mad about it,

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<v Speaker 1>that's for sure. The game is strong today. We've got

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<v Speaker 1>a great chance of taking this swan home. Also, the

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<v Speaker 1>steam of the maple syrup smell is pretty good, so

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<v Speaker 1>you're kind of in like a little like maple syrup

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<v Speaker 1>high when you're in there, so the maple bubble exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's a good day for the Stewart family. And

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<v Speaker 1>after touring the woods in the sugar house, I could

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<v Speaker 1>tell that the reason for their success is because they

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<v Speaker 1>all rely on each other. Like Elliott said, none of

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<v Speaker 1>them can be replaced, and seeing them work together, that

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<v Speaker 1>is abundantly clear. But just as much as a family

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<v Speaker 1>depending on each other to make a livelihood, a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of their business depends on the community too. There's a

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of hoops to jump through, a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>different roadblocks along the way, but with the support of

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<v Speaker 1>the community, you know, uh, it's made it all happen.

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<v Speaker 1>In return, they've actually given opportunities to their neighbors that

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<v Speaker 1>didn't even exist before, like the Stewarts leasing trees from

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<v Speaker 1>their neighbors each year at a dollar apiece. It kind

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<v Speaker 1>of gives landowners of Avenue to make a little money

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<v Speaker 1>off their property. And you know, adds up fast as

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<v Speaker 1>a least payment, so they appreciate a check in the

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<v Speaker 1>spring and in a gallon of stirrup or whatever, and

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<v Speaker 1>so like it's a kind of a new way to

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<v Speaker 1>make a little income off of a property. I also

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<v Speaker 1>I have to mention a few other buy products of

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<v Speaker 1>the Stuart's Maple business that really blew my mind. First,

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<v Speaker 1>right next to that swimming pool sized tank filled with

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<v Speaker 1>SAP is an equally big tank filled with crystal blue water.

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<v Speaker 1>This year, we'll produce a million gallons of water a

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<v Speaker 1>million gallons. That's because they actually on the sap through

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<v Speaker 1>a reverse osmosis machine before they boil. Basically, it's just

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<v Speaker 1>a machine that helps separate the water from the sugar

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<v Speaker 1>so they can save a little bit of money on boiling.

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<v Speaker 1>That separated water is pure beautiful water that they can

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<v Speaker 1>sell to a bottled water company that specializes in just that,

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<v Speaker 1>and we have a contract with them to start selling

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<v Speaker 1>it as tree filtered organic water. Pretty cool. Second, all

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<v Speaker 1>those trails that they've made to work on their lines

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<v Speaker 1>are now open to everyone as a public hiking trail system,

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<v Speaker 1>which I think is just amazing. And lastly, they've inadvertently

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<v Speaker 1>become environmental warriors of sorts. That's because the way that

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<v Speaker 1>the Stuarts are growing and the more land that they occupy,

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<v Speaker 1>it means that they play a big role in the

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<v Speaker 1>landscape around them thriving. So they regularly work with a

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<v Speaker 1>forester to always make sure that they're tapping responsibly and

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<v Speaker 1>with the leasing that they do for their neighbors. Elliott

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<v Speaker 1>preaches the long term economic value of sugaring versus cutting

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<v Speaker 1>down a tree for its lumber. If we can promote

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<v Speaker 1>the value of the woods, they won't be cut down

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<v Speaker 1>because there's more value to keeping them standing. Like sugaring

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<v Speaker 1>is really tied to the forest health real heavily, and uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we're really reliant on a healthy woods, which

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<v Speaker 1>is what we're trying to always work to achieve that.

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<v Speaker 1>Just as the maple syrup that they make now is

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<v Speaker 1>a perfect representation of the land. They are becoming a

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<v Speaker 1>big part of the area's identity, and with each other

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<v Speaker 1>to rely on, they only have plans to keep growing.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, we've grown the o our business to where

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<v Speaker 1>our business kind of our sandbox is a lot bigger

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<v Speaker 1>than it used to be. I guess is a simple

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<v Speaker 1>way to put it. Giant playground. I mean, we're always

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<v Speaker 1>in the woods and building forts in the woods. Our

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<v Speaker 1>hands are always dirty, our clothes are always dirty. We

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<v Speaker 1>are always outside. And you know, this work is literally

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<v Speaker 1>no different than my childhood. You know, it's literally the

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<v Speaker 1>same exact thing where it's the same hill. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's the uh the same area, and uh, you know

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<v Speaker 1>I can get out there and enjoy it literally what

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<v Speaker 1>we did as as kids, you know, and uh it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's fun. We're on the job my modus Gray. Wow,

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