1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:01,840 Speaker 1: All right, what's up, guys, Josh paid here from twenty 2 00:00:01,840 --> 00:00:03,400 Speaker 1: four to seven Sports. There's a whole lot of other 3 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:05,200 Speaker 1: folks in the room too. We got Trey Scott, we 4 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:07,280 Speaker 1: got Brandon mar Solo, we got Barton Simmons, we got 5 00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:09,559 Speaker 1: Bud Elliott, and we have one of those good old 6 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:12,639 Speaker 1: fashioned playoff round tables that we have never done before, 7 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:14,120 Speaker 1: but we got to do it today because there are 8 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:15,880 Speaker 1: a lot of scenarios being thrown around. 9 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:17,800 Speaker 2: You may be hearing this and the Barton and. 10 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:20,079 Speaker 1: Bud podcast feed, or the College Football Daily or the 11 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:22,840 Speaker 1: Late Kick or maybe on twenty four to seven Sports YouTube, 12 00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:24,560 Speaker 1: and if you haven't subscribed to all those, I would 13 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:26,080 Speaker 1: suggest you do so. 14 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:27,480 Speaker 2: So here's what we're going to do this. 15 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:30,159 Speaker 1: Morning, this evening, in this evening, whenever you're listening to us, 16 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 1: We're just going to kind of run through a lot 17 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:35,440 Speaker 1: of these scenarios. We've got some wildly varying takes at 18 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:36,800 Speaker 1: some points and at some points we. 19 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 2: All converge and agree. 20 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:40,839 Speaker 1: But guys, we're fresh off the latest batch of the 21 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:44,240 Speaker 1: college football playoff rankings being unveilab and so I'm pulling 22 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:45,639 Speaker 1: up the sheet that we kind of all have been 23 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:48,600 Speaker 1: sharing here, and let's just run through these for a 24 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:50,920 Speaker 1: second and let's just go one by one. Okay, So 25 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 1: Ohio State right now is probably the biggest sort of 26 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:57,280 Speaker 1: inflection point conversation point for everyone. 27 00:00:57,440 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 2: But let's just throw our first scenario out there. 28 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 1: Ohio State wins out, Alabama wins out, Clemson wins out. 29 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 2: What do we see happening here? 30 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:08,480 Speaker 1: Like Brandon Marslo for example, I know you've been talking 31 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:10,680 Speaker 1: a lot about Texas A and M lately and what 32 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:13,200 Speaker 1: happens and what A and M's best shot is. 33 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:14,319 Speaker 2: I mean, do we think this is it? 34 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:14,920 Speaker 3: Uh? 35 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 4: I'm not so certain. 36 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 5: I mean Texas A and M at this point, if 37 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 5: Clemson wins out and Alabama wins out and Ohio State 38 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:27,680 Speaker 5: wins out, I think Ohio State gets the edge there. 39 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 5: Because Texas A and M had a game canceled against 40 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 5: Ole Miss. I think they need more stock, they need 41 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:38,640 Speaker 5: more dominating performances on their resume. Obviously, they have that 42 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 5: victory against Florida, which is great, but I don't see 43 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 5: that like wow moment for them outside of that game 44 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 5: earlier in the season and it was at home. I 45 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 5: hate to say it because everybody's saying Ohio State needs 46 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 5: more games in stock, but A and M needs more 47 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 5: stock for not winning its conference division, let alone it's 48 00:01:57,320 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 5: conference championship. 49 00:01:58,600 --> 00:01:58,920 Speaker 2: All right. 50 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 1: Look, So, like my whole deal on this is it 51 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:05,000 Speaker 1: could be that situation where we're talking about margin and victory. 52 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 1: I like that's become a very popular point of conversation 53 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:10,520 Speaker 1: right now. I mean, is there a big difference, Like 54 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 1: I'll ask Bud for example, like, is there a big 55 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:15,959 Speaker 1: difference in your mind of a thirty to twenty seven 56 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:20,079 Speaker 1: Clemson win versus a thirty eight to thirteen Clemson win 57 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 1: and what that could mean for like maybe Texas A 58 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 1: and M shot to squeak in here. 59 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 6: So I think it does impact the narrative, right If 60 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:29,520 Speaker 6: Clemson just absolutely wipes the floor with Notre Dame, then 61 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 6: it's easier for the committee to say, all right, Notre 62 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 6: Dame only one because it was it was at home, 63 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 6: and Clemson had a lot of guys out on the 64 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 6: defensive line, and this dude named Trevor Lawrence also didn't play. 65 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 6: If Notre Dame keeps it close, though, let's just say, 66 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:46,400 Speaker 6: I don't know, like two touchdowns or less, Notre Dame's 67 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:49,120 Speaker 6: resume is pretty darn good. And there's really no shame 68 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 6: in losing a game convincingly but not in blowout fashion 69 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:53,959 Speaker 6: to the Clemson Tigers. And then I think you get 70 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 6: in this game where you're comparing Clemson's resume or Notre 71 00:02:56,800 --> 00:02:59,919 Speaker 6: Dame's resume against A and M's resume, and that's that's true, 72 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 6: especially if Notre Dame has not been blown out by anybody, 73 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 6: because your call A and M was not competitive against Alabama. 74 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 7: That was four touchdowns. That was a four touchdown loss 75 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 7: by Texas. 76 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:09,639 Speaker 4: A and M. 77 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 7: I think that has to be the margin for Notre 78 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:13,359 Speaker 7: Dame to knock get in if they lose by four 79 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 7: touchdowns to cle because Notre Dame has a better win, right, 80 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 7: Like beating Clemson Number one Clemson is a better win, 81 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 7: I would argue than beating in Florida. 82 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 6: And they also have the better second win, right, I mean, 83 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 6: like them beating them, beating North Carolina on the road 84 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 6: by two scorers is probably a lot better than what 85 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:29,359 Speaker 6: A and m's Auburn win. 86 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:31,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, kind of sitting here thinking, I mean, but I'm 87 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 1: looking at like what Barton said. Barton said, barring a 88 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 1: thirty point blowout win. I mean, that's kind of the 89 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 1: same path that he's thinking here Notre Dame unless it's 90 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 1: a thirty point blowout. So it seems like a pretty 91 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 1: popular centiment out there right now. 92 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 8: I think the margin of victory in a lot of 93 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 8: these games are going to matter the way to you 94 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 8: like this is and that's across the board. That's that's 95 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 8: season long. It's not just about winning, it's about the 96 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:58,000 Speaker 8: way you win. And so I'm very interested and depending 97 00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 8: on what else goes on in the other championship games, 98 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 8: I think the way Notre Dame or Clemson wins or 99 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 8: loses that game is going to be consequential. 100 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 1: Is there any kind of path here if it's a 101 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:14,720 Speaker 1: if it's an ultra competitive Instant Classic SEC championship game. 102 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:16,720 Speaker 1: I know we were talking about this before we even 103 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:20,160 Speaker 1: started recording, Like a lot of Florida Gator fans are 104 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:22,359 Speaker 1: going to tell you, Okay, if we got two losses 105 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 1: and one of them is on the road by a 106 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:26,160 Speaker 1: field goal to one of the top five teams, then 107 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 1: our other losses by a field goal to the number 108 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 1: one team, is there a path for two lost Florida 109 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:31,360 Speaker 1: here or anywhere. 110 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:32,800 Speaker 3: Here's here's my thing. 111 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:35,040 Speaker 8: I think I can make a case for this, and 112 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 8: here's the here's the crux of my case here. And 113 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:41,600 Speaker 8: I've talked about this in the Cover three podcasts a lot. 114 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:47,040 Speaker 8: The idea that the Committee trusts their eyes above everything else. 115 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:50,719 Speaker 3: Their charge is to get the. 116 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 8: Best teams, the four best teams in college football in 117 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 8: the playoffs. And your analytics, your numbers, your conference championshi, 118 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:04,359 Speaker 8: all that stuff are just used as talking points to 119 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:07,640 Speaker 8: justify what ultimately their eyes tell them. 120 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:10,799 Speaker 3: Okay, I think that Look. 121 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:14,600 Speaker 8: Florida lost A and M by one score off of 122 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 8: late game fumble back in what like the third week 123 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:21,680 Speaker 8: of the season. Since that game Florida had, you could 124 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 8: make a case that they're the second most impressive team 125 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 8: in the country. I think you could, uh the way 126 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:29,720 Speaker 8: they've been beating teams, there's really hasn't been a close 127 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:32,920 Speaker 8: game since then. So you're gonna and by the way, 128 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 8: Alabama has been clearly far and away the best team 129 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:41,160 Speaker 8: in college football. So if you're gonna tell me that 130 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:44,040 Speaker 8: if Florida with that one really close lost an M 131 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 8: where they've basically looked better than an M throughout the 132 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:50,719 Speaker 8: rest of the season, if you're gonna tell me that 133 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:55,040 Speaker 8: they lose an overtime by a last second pick six 134 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:58,039 Speaker 8: or a last second you know, one inch away from 135 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:00,279 Speaker 8: the end zone sort of stop or whatever. It is 136 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:03,600 Speaker 8: a dramatic finish that the Committee won't at least have 137 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:08,920 Speaker 8: some sort of temptation to say, Wow, Alabama and Florida 138 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:10,920 Speaker 8: look like the two best teams in the country. Are 139 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:13,520 Speaker 8: we going to penalize this Florida team that we saw 140 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 8: on this night for what happened two and a half 141 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:19,479 Speaker 8: months ago. I don't know. I think there would be 142 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:23,720 Speaker 8: a temptation there. And and it's because of the uh, 143 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 8: the Committee's basic respect for their own process and their 144 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 8: own eyes. 145 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 4: Does it help that, sorry trumpet? Does it help that? Also? 146 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:35,599 Speaker 4: Texas A and M might have won two less games. 147 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:37,279 Speaker 8: I think it would help A and M if they 148 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:40,600 Speaker 8: could get more, you know, another impressive win overall, miss 149 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 8: it doesn't certally doesn't help them. 150 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:42,600 Speaker 3: They're sitting on the sideline. 151 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 4: So I'm saying, does that help Florida? Though? 152 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not. Yeah. 153 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:48,160 Speaker 1: So here's what we're circling back to. I mean, what 154 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 1: is the you know, what is the plus minus here? 155 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:54,800 Speaker 1: What's the consensus on whether Florida's resume that, whether forget resume, 156 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:57,560 Speaker 1: what if Florida as a product, like, are they definitively 157 00:06:57,600 --> 00:06:59,120 Speaker 1: better at that point than A and M. Because you've 158 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:01,480 Speaker 1: got a committee there who just as much as you're 159 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:04,440 Speaker 1: talking about, trying to justify their own eyeball test. I mean, 160 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 1: they're waiving this criteria in your face every single week 161 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:08,800 Speaker 1: and right there front and center on that criteria, and 162 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 1: the tiebreaker is head to head. 163 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 2: You've obviously got the head. 164 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 1: To head there, no matter how long ago it was, 165 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 1: like the whole season matters, blah blah blah. So you're 166 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 1: gonna have to look folks in the eye if you 167 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 1: do go that route, and you're gonna have to say, 168 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 1: head to heads are relevant. Florida is a decidedly better 169 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:24,680 Speaker 1: team now. And that's where the eyeball deal comes in. 170 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 1: And that's where the whole you know, hypothetical neutral field 171 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 1: that they played the day deal comes in. And that's where, 172 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:31,040 Speaker 1: like I think a lot of people start to feel 173 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 1: icky because, you know what, the obvious pushback. The obvious 174 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:36,000 Speaker 1: pushback is, well, why are we even playing the games 175 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 1: on field anymore? 176 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 8: And it's a fair point, and it would be a 177 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 8: fair point, but I think and and I think the 178 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 8: Committee would have that sort of temptation and it because 179 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 8: it would look like, again, you got to think about this, 180 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 8: this is an Alabama team that has been boat racing 181 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:55,800 Speaker 8: everybody and and it wouldn't I'm not even you know, 182 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 8: close touchdown game. 183 00:07:58,760 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 3: You know that may not be enough. 184 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:02,080 Speaker 8: I'm talking it has to be a dramatic game that 185 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 8: Florida looked like it should have won and then all 186 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 8: of a sudden, I just think you're you're in a 187 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 8: You're in a tough spot with the committee. 188 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 6: One of the problems that we would have there, though, 189 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:12,239 Speaker 6: is we have that kind of lack of connectivity between 190 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:14,720 Speaker 6: leagues this year, Like we don't have the games that 191 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:17,120 Speaker 6: show the SEC is better than the ACC this year, right, 192 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 6: we don't have ACC versus Big ten, don't we didn't 193 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 6: have that typical non conference schedule. I think Barton made 194 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 6: a great case if like because he was tasked with 195 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:27,320 Speaker 6: making that great case, like, can somebody make a case 196 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 6: for Florida? But I don't seriously think the committee would 197 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 6: consider a two loss Florida that played Bama close, because 198 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 6: then you're you're like, if you could boil it, strip 199 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 6: the names off, We're going to take a two loss 200 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 6: non champion as the second team from a league with 201 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 6: the committee that has made up primarily of you know, 202 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:45,960 Speaker 6: people from all all the different Power five leagues like that, 203 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 6: that's a hard sell. I really don't think there's any 204 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:50,319 Speaker 6: way two loss Florida. I mean, they'd lose by a 205 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 6: field goal on triple overtime goes over a one loss 206 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:55,439 Speaker 6: Notre Dame and less. Notre Dame just absolutely gets its 207 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:56,200 Speaker 6: doors blown off. 208 00:08:56,440 --> 00:08:57,960 Speaker 7: What about a two loss cleansing. 209 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 4: I think they're out because they lost the same team twice. 210 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:02,320 Speaker 3: Right' that's my thing. 211 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 8: It's like, hey, look if you can't if you got 212 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:06,199 Speaker 8: like that team is going to be in the playoffs, 213 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 8: you've had two shots at them, you've had your chance. 214 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:11,840 Speaker 8: But I will say this about your point, but for 215 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:16,199 Speaker 8: whatever reason, the committee will take like they would they 216 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 8: value a good loss more than they win. Now they 217 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:23,200 Speaker 8: value a good win over a good loss, but they 218 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:26,199 Speaker 8: like those good losses, Like if you play competitive against 219 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:29,040 Speaker 8: a team they think is really good, they'd rather have 220 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:30,960 Speaker 8: that than you just beaten some average team. 221 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 3: That tells them more. And they love Alabama. 222 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:38,480 Speaker 1: Okay, so we're moving to scenario two here. This is 223 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:40,720 Speaker 1: to me A and M's best shot by ten miles. 224 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 1: We have Ohio State winning out. Buckey's are perfect so far. 225 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:46,360 Speaker 1: We have Ohio State winning out, Alabama winning out, and 226 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 1: then Notre Dame kind of what we just alluded to, 227 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 1: they double dip Clemson. 228 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:52,439 Speaker 2: They beat them again in the ACC Championship game. 229 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:55,200 Speaker 1: Now, this is what really does not comport with most 230 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:58,680 Speaker 1: people's worldview, because the worldview for college football is going 231 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 1: into this season every year for the last several Now 232 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 1: the accs is Clemson don't care if Notre Dame's in 233 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:05,240 Speaker 1: there or not, and they don't even care if they 234 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:07,960 Speaker 1: lost in the regular season because they will avenge that 235 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:10,760 Speaker 1: in the ACC title game. So this is the huge 236 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:13,800 Speaker 1: first wrench in our scenarios that really could be thrown 237 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 1: in in a wrinch Field year, to be honest with you, 238 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 1: So Buck guys went out, Alabama wins out, Notre Dame 239 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 1: wins out. This has got to be like the golden 240 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:24,320 Speaker 1: scenario for Texas A and M. And at this point, 241 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:26,880 Speaker 1: like this is why people in college station are probably 242 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:29,840 Speaker 1: searching like buttnuts dot com right now as much as 243 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 1: their own website because they want to know what's gonna 244 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 1: happen in the Big Ten, like, are they going to 245 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 1: be able to get a. 246 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:35,840 Speaker 2: Conference title game under their belt? 247 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:38,839 Speaker 1: Is the conference title going to carry as much weight 248 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 1: as US having played however many games they end up 249 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 1: playing eight or nine SEC games. But that's really I 250 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:47,200 Speaker 1: think the name of the game right now is is 251 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 1: Ohio State going to be Will they have that conference 252 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:52,600 Speaker 1: champion sticker on their forehead or will they just have 253 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:54,680 Speaker 1: Ohio State on their forehead? 254 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 2: And also at this point, I mean, if. 255 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 1: You're ever gonna have maybe the Big Twelve champion sneak 256 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:03,480 Speaker 1: in there, Buckeyes, Bama, Notre Dame, that fourth spot could 257 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 1: be Big Twelve, could be Texas A and M could 258 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 1: be Ohio State. 259 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:08,840 Speaker 2: Like this one to me is wide open. 260 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 7: So the Big twelve is interesting. I'll start there, and 261 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:14,440 Speaker 7: I know someone's gonna want to talk buck guys. I 262 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:17,080 Speaker 7: have no idea really who the Big Twelve's best shot is. 263 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:19,240 Speaker 7: I'd be interested in hearing from y'all. Who does Bob 264 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:21,720 Speaker 7: Bowlsby want to win the Big twelve title game. 265 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 5: I think it's Iowa State because of where they are 266 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:26,200 Speaker 5: in the rankings, They've got the best shot and they've 267 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 5: already owned the win against Oklahoma when they meet them 268 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:30,680 Speaker 5: in the So if they beat Oklahoma twice and you 269 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 5: get that, but of course a lot's going to happen 270 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 5: above them. But for me, in a lot of ways, 271 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 5: I think if Oklahoma wins out and wins big in 272 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:42,679 Speaker 5: the Big twelve championship game, I think they should have 273 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:47,120 Speaker 5: an outside shot. I know it's very slim, but Oklahoma 274 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:49,880 Speaker 5: has improved so much throughout the season. They're gonna have 275 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 5: some top twenty five wins under their belt. They have 276 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 5: a dynamic offense, their defense has been getting better. I 277 00:11:57,040 --> 00:12:00,200 Speaker 5: think Oklahoma should get a shot at least a look 278 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 5: at them. I know no one's talking about them because 279 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 5: where they are in the rankings right now, but to me, 280 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:07,600 Speaker 5: if they beat Iowa State on a neutral field and 281 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 5: do so decidedly, that shows to me that not only 282 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:15,600 Speaker 5: is this not the same Oklahoma team that face Iowa 283 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 5: State earlier in the season, but this is a much 284 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:21,200 Speaker 5: better Oklahoma team than we even saw, say a month ago. 285 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:23,840 Speaker 5: And this is the type of Oklahoma team we were 286 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:27,440 Speaker 5: expecting all season, just talent wise, and in a year 287 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:30,200 Speaker 5: where we're going by the eye test quite a bit, 288 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:33,959 Speaker 5: and we and if the committee truly believes Iowa State 289 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 5: is the number seven team potentially going into that Big 290 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 5: Twelve championship game. Why shouldn't O you be challenging for 291 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 5: that seventh spot, and, depending on what happens above them, 292 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:47,480 Speaker 5: maybe be even higher. I know that's quite the jump, 293 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:51,400 Speaker 5: but to me, if we're going I test and looking 294 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 5: at everything, I really do think Oklahoma should get a 295 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:55,319 Speaker 5: look at this. 296 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:57,320 Speaker 4: As crazy as it sounds. 297 00:12:56,960 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 9: I really don't think there's much doubt that Oklahoma's the 298 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:01,960 Speaker 9: Big twelve best shot. There are two reasons for that, 299 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:04,520 Speaker 9: and they both have to do with narrative. Anytime a 300 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:06,560 Speaker 9: team loses to a group of five program, it's a 301 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 9: black eye. Like I just do not see a chance 302 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:10,880 Speaker 9: where two loss Iowa State goes in front of the 303 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:13,800 Speaker 9: committee and can argue itself over a one loss Texas 304 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 9: A and M. 305 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 6: That played an all SEC schedule. 306 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:17,720 Speaker 9: I don't care if Louisiana is ranked in the top 307 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:20,280 Speaker 9: twenty five. I don't care that really, Napier is the 308 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 9: next hot name. Louisiana is a group of five program. 309 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:25,080 Speaker 9: In Iowa State lost that game. That cannot be changed. 310 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:28,320 Speaker 9: Oklahoma has an argument because of narrative as well. They're 311 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:30,640 Speaker 9: a team that lost its first two Big twelve times 312 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:32,679 Speaker 9: Big twelve games this year. They have gotten better as 313 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:34,880 Speaker 9: the season's gone along. The Committee can. 314 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 7: Latch onto that. 315 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 9: They can latch onto the fact that Oklahoma's defense is 316 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:40,680 Speaker 9: sneakily a top twenty five unit right now, They can 317 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:43,959 Speaker 9: latch on the tangible nature that is Lincoln Riley's offense, 318 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:46,520 Speaker 9: this elite unit, that it's proven it can be successful 319 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:49,720 Speaker 9: in playoff environments before. Oklahoma has all of that going 320 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 9: for it. It has two top twenty five wins right now, 321 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:54,199 Speaker 9: it could pick up a top ten win over Iowa 322 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 9: State in convincing fashion. I think you can put a 323 00:13:56,840 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 9: two loss Oklahoma in that case head to head against 324 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:01,840 Speaker 9: a one law non champion Texas A and M and 325 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:05,840 Speaker 9: make a legitimate case for Oklahoma in that kind of scenario. 326 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:07,320 Speaker 9: I don't think you can do the same thing for 327 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 9: Iowa State just singularly based off that loss to Louisiana 328 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:12,840 Speaker 9: early in the season. 329 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:15,600 Speaker 8: I agree with that, and I think you guys are 330 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:19,360 Speaker 8: leaving out maybe the most important point here, because it's 331 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:23,000 Speaker 8: all about the Committee's going to put it in who 332 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:24,680 Speaker 8: they think are the best teams. It's just a matter 333 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 8: of whether they can justify it and they can justify 334 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 8: it with Oklahoma because of those early season suspensions. The 335 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:35,680 Speaker 8: games that they lost were when Ronnie Perkins was suspended 336 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 8: and Remondra Stevenson was suspended and other guys were out, 337 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:42,440 Speaker 8: And so you can make an argument that the Oklahoma 338 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:46,080 Speaker 8: team we are watching right now is a completely different 339 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:48,480 Speaker 8: team than the one that lost those two teams early 340 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:50,800 Speaker 8: in the year. And so I'm a little surprised Oklahoma 341 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 8: isn't little higher in the rankings based. 342 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:53,160 Speaker 3: On that right now. 343 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 8: But I think that that is why Oklahoma has a 344 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:58,960 Speaker 8: shot here because you could just say, just preach it 345 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:02,240 Speaker 8: different team. We are a different team when a reminder, 346 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:04,120 Speaker 8: Stevenson and Greg Perkins returned. 347 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 9: And the committee does take into account injuries and suspensions 348 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:08,960 Speaker 9: kind of in their evaluations. It's in their criteria, so 349 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 9: it's not something they would just be pulling out of 350 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 9: kind of nowhere. From a narrative standpoint, this is something 351 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:15,280 Speaker 9: they have a backing to lean on with the Rondre 352 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 9: Stephenson and Roddre Perkins. But you could argue are probably 353 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 9: their first and second best, second best offensive player, best 354 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:23,880 Speaker 9: defensive player on the team, like those two make a 355 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 9: really big difference. 356 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:27,720 Speaker 5: But that still still still makes me wonder why aren't 357 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:30,880 Speaker 5: they higher now in the playoff rankings, because if they're 358 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:34,360 Speaker 5: considering that still, because it's obvious that they're I think 359 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 5: they're better than their ranking, right. 360 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:38,560 Speaker 9: I think that Baylor game on Saturday did not do 361 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 9: them any favors, kind of struggling in stave Randa's defense 362 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 9: for most of the day. But if you blow Ioways 363 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 9: stayed out, I think that makes that no visible. 364 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 6: They also might get that conference championship bump. 365 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:49,360 Speaker 1: How much do we think the committee's paying attention to 366 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:52,000 Speaker 1: Baylor right now? Like what kind of reputation? What is 367 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 1: reality versus perception in the mind of a committee member? 368 00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:56,800 Speaker 1: I mean, I know they claim to watch football in 369 00:15:56,840 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 1: a room all Saturday, but I mean, like if I 370 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:01,280 Speaker 1: pinned one of them to the wall figuratively of course, 371 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 1: could they tell me what Baylor's defensive metrics are, and 372 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 1: like what Oklahoma. 373 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:07,240 Speaker 2: Should have been expected to do against them? 374 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:09,680 Speaker 1: And also, like what Brandon just said, So if that's 375 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:12,360 Speaker 1: gonna be your perception that they're a different team now, 376 00:16:12,920 --> 00:16:16,320 Speaker 1: then they're sitting right now at eleven. So between them 377 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 1: and the spot that we're talking about getting to, you 378 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:24,240 Speaker 1: have Miami Cincinnatis. They're still undefeated, missing games now. Of course, 379 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:26,760 Speaker 1: I Aowa State several spots ahead of them. I mean, 380 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:29,160 Speaker 1: you would have Florida, NA and m there. So like 381 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:31,240 Speaker 1: I gonna if I'm gonna go down that route, Like 382 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:33,360 Speaker 1: I don't personally feel that, but if I'm going down 383 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:36,480 Speaker 1: that route, I better start going ahead and given myself 384 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:40,280 Speaker 1: some rankings ammunition now instead of waiting until conference championship 385 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:44,360 Speaker 1: Saturday and saying eleventh, tenth, oh, that's okay, the tumblers 386 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:46,240 Speaker 1: fell into place. We're gonna hop skip you all the 387 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:48,120 Speaker 1: way up here to the top. We're talking about the 388 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 1: top four now, not just kind of being an impressive 389 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:52,080 Speaker 1: number seven team to in the year. 390 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:54,480 Speaker 9: I mean, we've seen it happen before with Oklahoma, though. 391 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 9: I think Oklahoma is like sixteenth and twenty fifteen when 392 00:16:56,920 --> 00:16:59,240 Speaker 9: they make the playoffs in the first rankings and they 393 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:01,400 Speaker 9: hop skipped and jump themselves all the way into the 394 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:03,440 Speaker 9: top four. So it's not like the committee hasn't done it. 395 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:06,440 Speaker 9: I realize it'll look it might not look amazing, but 396 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:09,280 Speaker 9: Oklahoma still has two games against really quality teams out 397 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:11,320 Speaker 9: of it, with West Virginia and Iowa State and if 398 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:13,440 Speaker 9: the tumblers do fall into place, I think the Committee 399 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:15,960 Speaker 9: has every right to kind of lead them up as 400 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:18,440 Speaker 9: the weeks go along without anybody really raising that much 401 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:19,320 Speaker 9: of an eyebrow. 402 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:21,080 Speaker 1: Just a little side question here before we move on 403 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:24,719 Speaker 1: to our third scenario. The Committee, yes, takes into account 404 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:25,920 Speaker 1: suspension and injury. 405 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 2: If we were to. 406 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:29,080 Speaker 1: Talk to an odds maker right now and we asked him, 407 00:17:29,359 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 1: how do you value Ronnie Perkins, he could give you 408 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:34,160 Speaker 1: an exact numeric value right now, one in a quarter point, 409 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:36,600 Speaker 1: one in three quarter points. I don't know that I'd 410 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:38,239 Speaker 1: be able to do that with a committee member and 411 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:41,200 Speaker 1: have them as readily tell me exactly how they value him. 412 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:46,119 Speaker 1: So how do we feel, just kind of generally about 413 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 1: the committee, Because that to me, what that is is, 414 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:51,480 Speaker 1: it's what Barton said, It's baking in as many different 415 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:54,439 Speaker 1: ingredients as I can to give myself as many outs 416 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:55,960 Speaker 1: as I can at the end of the year to 417 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:58,639 Speaker 1: justify really the way I wanted it all along. Like, 418 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:02,280 Speaker 1: I've never been all that comfortable with factors that happen 419 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:05,480 Speaker 1: in competition in football, injury suspensions, which are your fault. 420 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:06,960 Speaker 2: By the way, it's not the sports fault. 421 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:09,560 Speaker 1: It's your fault those things being able to be factored 422 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:12,040 Speaker 1: in later in the year because there's no injury lest 423 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:12,560 Speaker 1: team out there. 424 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:14,640 Speaker 2: Normally there's no suspensionless team out there. 425 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:17,120 Speaker 1: So if I'm a coach, I mean, I'll take any 426 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:18,760 Speaker 1: suspension at the beginning of the year and I'll just 427 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:21,280 Speaker 1: tout it as something that decimated my team at the 428 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:23,360 Speaker 1: beginning of the year. You did it for them that year, 429 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:24,880 Speaker 1: you should do it for me this year. Like that's 430 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:27,080 Speaker 1: how I play that game, that's how they want to 431 00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:29,480 Speaker 1: play it. I try and turn it on them down 432 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:29,880 Speaker 1: the road. 433 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:32,840 Speaker 6: And there is specific precedent for this if we were called. 434 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:35,639 Speaker 6: They did this with Oregon, not suspension, but for injury. 435 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:38,200 Speaker 6: Was it Jake Fisher or Eric Fisher, whatever the guy's 436 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:40,840 Speaker 6: name was, It was a Fisher's left tackle. A couple 437 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:43,520 Speaker 6: of years back, they referenced that, you know, on multiple 438 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:46,080 Speaker 6: of those ESPN broadcasts as for a reason that they 439 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:49,119 Speaker 6: were discounting the team that Oregon lost to early in 440 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:49,560 Speaker 6: that year. 441 00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 9: They were fully prepared to do it with two of 442 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 9: last year as well, if you kind of listened to 443 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:53,760 Speaker 9: the way they topped. 444 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:56,600 Speaker 1: So that happens, all right, let's get us an upset 445 00:18:56,640 --> 00:18:58,320 Speaker 1: in the SEC championship games. 446 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 8: Were before we move on though, in that scenario you 447 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:04,600 Speaker 8: laid out, we talked about big twelve. But ultimately are 448 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:08,160 Speaker 8: we not like A and M is probably in right, 449 00:19:08,359 --> 00:19:11,200 Speaker 8: that's my field. Yeah, Ohio State out, Alabama out, Notre 450 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:14,679 Speaker 8: Dame wins out. That's that is the opportunity for A 451 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:15,959 Speaker 8: and M. I mean, I don't know that we need 452 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:17,520 Speaker 8: to dig into that too much, but am I is 453 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 8: that a consensus there that that would be the best 454 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:22,440 Speaker 8: opportunity for A and M? Or do you actually think 455 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:24,240 Speaker 8: a big twelve would jump them? 456 00:19:24,359 --> 00:19:26,320 Speaker 6: It's definitely the best shot for A and M. 457 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:28,880 Speaker 9: I think it looks like twenty sixteen when Ohio State 458 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 9: got in over Penn State, when Ohio State was that 459 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:33,760 Speaker 9: one loss non champion in Penn State at two losses. 460 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:36,400 Speaker 9: I think that's what you have happened there at Texas Animates. 461 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:38,320 Speaker 1: All right, this is the fun win here if you 462 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 1: love chaos. So let's say buck guys still went out. 463 00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:44,280 Speaker 1: Let's say Florida beats Alabama in the SEC Championship game, 464 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:47,480 Speaker 1: and let's say Clemson wins in the ACC title game. 465 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 2: The world's happening here. 466 00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:53,800 Speaker 8: ACC SEC Challenge two of both in the college football Playoffs. 467 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 8: I think I think there's no doubt, no question that 468 00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:02,159 Speaker 8: both Alabama and Florida would be zero hesitation there. And 469 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:04,720 Speaker 8: then I think that as long as we had a 470 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:08,119 Speaker 8: competitive game with Clemson and Notre Dame, I think that 471 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 8: I think they'd get the NOD even over an undefeated 472 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:11,640 Speaker 8: Ohio State. 473 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:14,600 Speaker 7: Notre Dame probably loves the news that Ohio State gets 474 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:17,040 Speaker 7: the Michigan game canceled, and that as the time we 475 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:19,560 Speaker 7: record this, there's no we have no idea like who 476 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:21,960 Speaker 7: Ohio State's playing on the nineteenth, And I don't know 477 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:23,600 Speaker 7: if it even matters that much if that's just the 478 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:26,879 Speaker 7: last game they have. Who cares if it's against Northwestern 479 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:28,960 Speaker 7: Indianapolis or against Wisconsin. 480 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:30,880 Speaker 3: And none of those teams are going to impress anybody. 481 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:33,880 Speaker 7: Does the Committee care at all if it matches up 482 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:36,359 Speaker 7: two teams from the same conference twice? Like if the 483 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:39,040 Speaker 7: committee essentially cuts off half the country, do they care 484 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:39,480 Speaker 7: at all? 485 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:42,600 Speaker 6: Well for ratings, they probably do, But like, there's no 486 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:44,680 Speaker 6: reason to think that they would match up Notre Dame 487 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:47,720 Speaker 6: Clemson round one and Florida Bama round one again. I mean, 488 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:52,040 Speaker 6: they would probably just go what Bama Clemson Florida Notre Dame. 489 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:55,320 Speaker 6: At that point, those are two intriguing semifinals. And if 490 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:57,880 Speaker 6: you have an All a C or all ACC championship game, 491 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:01,080 Speaker 6: so be it right. It's it's round two or round 492 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:03,399 Speaker 6: three in the case of Clemson Notre Dame if they 493 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:04,280 Speaker 6: were to actually get through. 494 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:07,040 Speaker 1: Let me take you into this world that I envisioned 495 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:09,520 Speaker 1: as soon as Bud put the scenario out there. So 496 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:13,240 Speaker 1: the cry against Notre Dame forever, anytime they're in the mix, 497 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:16,200 Speaker 1: has been it is complete and utter trash that we 498 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:18,760 Speaker 1: may have to go and risk ourselves in a conference 499 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:20,960 Speaker 1: title game where they get to sit in South Bend, 500 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:23,280 Speaker 1: Indiana and they get to be eleven to oh or 501 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:25,080 Speaker 1: twelve and oh, and then they can just sit there 502 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:26,919 Speaker 1: and they don't have to take any risk on Conference 503 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:29,720 Speaker 1: Title Saturday and we could knock ourselves out. I mean, 504 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:32,200 Speaker 1: what kind of world is it where we may be 505 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:35,480 Speaker 1: approaching a point where Notre Dame loses a conference title 506 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:38,800 Speaker 1: game and you're listening to Irish fans tell you we 507 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:41,520 Speaker 1: shouldn't be punished because we earn the right to play 508 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:44,240 Speaker 1: in a conference title game like we entered Conference Title 509 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 1: Saturday number two in the country. How can you knock 510 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:48,199 Speaker 1: us out? And the rest of the country. If you're 511 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:50,280 Speaker 1: watching the video product, they just kind of cross their eyes, 512 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 1: cross their arms, and they lean back in their chair 513 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:55,040 Speaker 1: and they nod and they say, welcome to the real 514 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:58,720 Speaker 1: college football world, Like this is normalcy for us. You 515 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:01,840 Speaker 1: paid the price to try and be the absolute best. 516 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:02,320 Speaker 2: In the conference. 517 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:05,080 Speaker 5: I think this goes back a little bit to what 518 00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:06,200 Speaker 5: we were saying earlier. 519 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:07,720 Speaker 4: It is this Notre Dame's winning. 520 00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:10,440 Speaker 5: Yeah, but they don't have like a huge, huge, huge, 521 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:13,800 Speaker 5: huge win, Like they didn't beat Clemson by like two touchdowns. 522 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:18,240 Speaker 5: You know, they don't have that gigantic win where you're going, man, 523 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:21,359 Speaker 5: they're just capable of boat racing one of the top 524 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:24,200 Speaker 5: six or top eight teams in the country. And if 525 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:28,040 Speaker 5: they lose to Clemson in the ACC Championship game, I 526 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:29,960 Speaker 5: just don't know if you can look back and go, yeah, 527 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:32,919 Speaker 5: you beat Clemson, but that was a close game. You 528 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:35,960 Speaker 5: don't really have any of those huge wins where you 529 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:39,040 Speaker 5: just absolutely dominated from start to finish. 530 00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:41,119 Speaker 4: I mean, you beat Louisville twelve to seven. What was 531 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:41,960 Speaker 4: going on there? 532 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:47,520 Speaker 5: It's gonna be interesting with Notre Dame if this scenario 533 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:51,040 Speaker 5: plays out because I think that Josh, exactly what you 534 00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:54,040 Speaker 5: just said, that it's gonna be gonna be some hypocrites 535 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:54,480 Speaker 5: out there. 536 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:56,040 Speaker 7: I don't want to get too boged down, but I'm 537 00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:58,280 Speaker 7: gonna disagree with you, Brandon on the Notre Dame big 538 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:00,720 Speaker 7: win thing. First of all, the Clemson like that, it's 539 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:03,639 Speaker 7: a massive garganita and winning maybe North Herolina by fourteen, 540 00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:06,080 Speaker 7: that was like a three point line they covered at 541 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 7: Boston College. 542 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:11,399 Speaker 5: I'm talking about looking good like I am. 543 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:12,399 Speaker 7: And you know what. 544 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 9: You know what looking good is though, you know looking 545 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:16,240 Speaker 9: good is it's not losing any games. And Notre Dame 546 00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 9: is one of two teams in the POPI five not 547 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:18,600 Speaker 9: to lose any games. 548 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:20,880 Speaker 7: I could not be more impressed with what Notre Dame 549 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:22,480 Speaker 7: has done this year. I could not be more impressed. 550 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:23,919 Speaker 3: I will back Brandon on this. 551 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:28,040 Speaker 8: If you throw Alam on Notre Dame's schedule, the Notre 552 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:32,199 Speaker 8: Dame loses by twenty five, whatever. The Notre Dame is 553 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:34,560 Speaker 8: just Texas A and M. There's the same team they 554 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:38,000 Speaker 8: got that. They got quality win over Clemson, just like 555 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:40,000 Speaker 8: Texas A and M as a quality win over Florida 556 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 8: and they got a couple kind of ho home wins 557 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:44,600 Speaker 8: on the way and kind of a couple of ugly performances, 558 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:45,560 Speaker 8: they find a way to win. 559 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:47,680 Speaker 3: That's what Texas A and M is. They just happen 560 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:48,880 Speaker 3: to have Alabama on their schedule. 561 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:52,600 Speaker 6: But it isn't the argument here, Like I don't really 562 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:54,560 Speaker 6: disagree with Barton's A and endpoint here, But isn't the 563 00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:58,359 Speaker 6: argument basically Ohio State or Notre Dame in this scenario, 564 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:00,640 Speaker 6: Like A and M, the SEC is not getting three 565 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:03,080 Speaker 6: teams in in this scenario. I think there's some really 566 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:05,960 Speaker 6: wonky ones that maybe they could, but it's not this one. 567 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:06,240 Speaker 4: You know. 568 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:08,520 Speaker 6: The argument is do we get to SEC to AC 569 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:11,320 Speaker 6: or do we get Ohio State or Notre Dame like that? 570 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:15,000 Speaker 6: That's that's kind of it. I mean, is a fourteen 571 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:18,280 Speaker 6: point road win at at UNC more impressive than beating 572 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:21,720 Speaker 6: Indiana by seven? I think so, right? 573 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:24,720 Speaker 8: I mean, I think at that point Ohio State gets 574 00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:27,520 Speaker 8: penalized for the amount of games they played. 575 00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:30,080 Speaker 6: And also, guys, I think Ohio State gets penalized for 576 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:33,399 Speaker 6: the lack of schedule strength within the league with classic 577 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:36,080 Speaker 6: powers Penn State and Michigan being down. One more thing 578 00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:37,080 Speaker 6: I want to throw out on this before we go 579 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:39,720 Speaker 6: next scenario, if Ohio State does not get to play 580 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:42,440 Speaker 6: for the Big Ten title, in my mind, that's kind 581 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:44,960 Speaker 6: of the out for the committee to put Notre Dame in, 582 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:48,840 Speaker 6: and you sort of the TCU Baylor twenty fourteen reasoning. 583 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:52,119 Speaker 6: If you guys recall, like they said, okay, Big twelve, 584 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:53,880 Speaker 6: you guys tell us who the champion is. The Big 585 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:57,760 Speaker 6: Twelve's like, I don't know, and then right, so the 586 00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:00,000 Speaker 6: Committee's like, okay, guess what. None of y'all are going 587 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:02,480 Speaker 6: And you know, to me, that's kind of the thing. 588 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:05,439 Speaker 6: If the Big Ten can't say Ohio State's our champion, 589 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:07,880 Speaker 6: that's sort of an easy out to put notreed Amen 590 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:10,320 Speaker 6: because Notre Dame already has a better resume. If Ohio 591 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:12,760 Speaker 6: State's not the Big Ten champion, then they're not really 592 00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:14,959 Speaker 6: usurping a Power five undefeated champion. 593 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:16,560 Speaker 4: I don't know about the timing about all this. 594 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:18,600 Speaker 5: I might be ruining everything and ruining the magic, but 595 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:21,000 Speaker 5: Ohio State's going to be in the Big Ten championship 596 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:23,720 Speaker 5: game that the ADS have decided to recind the six 597 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:26,679 Speaker 5: game threshold, So Ohio State's going to get in. So 598 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:30,239 Speaker 5: if they become the Big Ten champion. I think that 599 00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:33,320 Speaker 5: it kind of erases what we're just discussing. I think 600 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:36,920 Speaker 5: playing in Indianapolis, even if it's against a team you 601 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:40,679 Speaker 5: don't think is amazing, it's still better than playing on 602 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:42,920 Speaker 5: December nineteenth against Wisconsin. 603 00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:47,000 Speaker 1: It's essentially going to Indianapolis to get your schedule notarized. 604 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:48,920 Speaker 1: I mean, that's what they're going there for. Blow someone 605 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:51,879 Speaker 1: out by thirty five, drag them, get the notary signature 606 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:53,679 Speaker 1: and whatever that little clamp thing is, and then go 607 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:54,879 Speaker 1: home and you're good to go. 608 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:57,200 Speaker 6: It also, if they play Northwestern, it gives them a 609 00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:59,760 Speaker 6: shot to shut out Northwestern and then be like, hey, 610 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:01,879 Speaker 6: you guys had some doubts about our defense on a 611 00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:04,080 Speaker 6: previous ESPN show, but look how look how well our 612 00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:06,760 Speaker 6: defense played. Now please ignore the Northwestern's offense is terrible. 613 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:07,040 Speaker 4: All right? 614 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:09,520 Speaker 1: How about this one right here? Alabama wins out, Clemson 615 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:12,400 Speaker 1: wins out, they're both them. Ohio State finds a way 616 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:13,120 Speaker 1: to lose a game. 617 00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:13,919 Speaker 2: Where are we going here? 618 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:17,000 Speaker 1: Because we only have really two locked in Bama Clemson, 619 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:20,800 Speaker 1: I mean A and M's in the mix here, Notre Dame. Like, 620 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:23,000 Speaker 1: I don't know what we're doing here. So Bama wins out, 621 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:25,280 Speaker 1: Clemson wins out, everything else is in play. 622 00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:27,840 Speaker 5: I think I think Texas, A and M has a 623 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:31,720 Speaker 5: shot here. I did believe Cincinnati would, but the committee 624 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:33,760 Speaker 5: has made it pretty clear to me by dropping them 625 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:36,280 Speaker 5: from seventh to eighth they're not They're not going to 626 00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:38,760 Speaker 5: really consider them because they did not play a game 627 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:42,159 Speaker 5: this past week. So to me, that that opens the 628 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:45,280 Speaker 5: door potentially for someone else like A, Texas, A and M. 629 00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 4: But I think Cincinnati. 630 00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:49,200 Speaker 5: This idea of the group of five finally getting in 631 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:52,480 Speaker 5: that the rankings, the previous rankings, dropping them to eighth, 632 00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:54,480 Speaker 5: I think it made it makes it clear to me 633 00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:56,320 Speaker 5: the Committee's just not going to consider it. 634 00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:59,360 Speaker 7: It's also your big twelve spot here, and you guys 635 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:02,600 Speaker 7: made it convinced case for Oklahoma being a better chance 636 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:05,200 Speaker 7: set for the Big twelve in Iowa State. So say 637 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:05,720 Speaker 7: either A and. 638 00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:08,359 Speaker 6: M or Oklahoma here we all agree. If Ohio State 639 00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:10,440 Speaker 6: loses any game, it's done right. 640 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,640 Speaker 1: Absolutely, would this be the biggest shot I think by 641 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:18,119 Speaker 1: several miles, like Ohio State losing a game would be 642 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:20,000 Speaker 1: the biggest single wrench you could throw into any of this. 643 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:23,160 Speaker 8: Is it not in terms of just the surprise yeah, 644 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:25,280 Speaker 8: I mean, I don't know, I expect. I think Alabama 645 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:27,399 Speaker 8: losing feels like a long shot to me, even as 646 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:30,880 Speaker 8: good as Florida's looking. But but yeah, I think even 647 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,800 Speaker 8: as good as Alabama looks, that takes a second of 648 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:36,639 Speaker 8: a backseat to an Ohio State loss, because I just 649 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:38,520 Speaker 8: the rest of the Big Ten is underwhelming to me. 650 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:41,359 Speaker 5: The craziest thing would it be Ohio State losing. It'd 651 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:44,960 Speaker 5: be Alabama losing to Florida by three or four touchdowns, 652 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:48,440 Speaker 5: like something nuts, because at that point we're not we're 653 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:50,840 Speaker 5: not discussing it, but we just don't think it's gonna happen. 654 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:54,719 Speaker 5: But at that point, does Alabama get eliminated because they 655 00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:56,280 Speaker 5: got dominated by Florida. 656 00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:58,840 Speaker 7: I remember feeling like we were headed toward that scenario 657 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:01,600 Speaker 7: two years ago Bama versus Georgia and then you know, 658 00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:04,280 Speaker 7: Bama comes back with Jalen Hurts. But I remember thinking 659 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:07,080 Speaker 7: at halftime, like, okay, is is Bam about to get 660 00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:09,400 Speaker 7: knocked out? That'd be I don't think you can do it. 661 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:11,359 Speaker 7: But I agree with you. If Florida winning is the 662 00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:12,960 Speaker 7: biggest range possible here. 663 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,719 Speaker 6: It is very difficult to envision that happening without like 664 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,240 Speaker 6: all of Bama's quarterback room having coronavirus. 665 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:19,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, does anyone think that could happen? 666 00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:23,920 Speaker 5: Devontae Smith gets hurt and their offensive line all gets 667 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,000 Speaker 5: corona and they still play the game. 668 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:27,320 Speaker 6: But then they have the excuse. 669 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:30,480 Speaker 5: I know they have the excuse, but still, if they 670 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:34,320 Speaker 5: lose by four touchdowns to Florida, even shorthanded. 671 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:36,280 Speaker 6: That means Florida's defense has made Bama punt or turn 672 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:38,480 Speaker 6: them all over like seven or eight times. 673 00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:41,360 Speaker 7: A non morbid one would just be Florida first forces 674 00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:44,640 Speaker 7: some turnovers and Bama's defense just clearly hasn't played anyone 675 00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:46,360 Speaker 7: in a few months, and that's why we think they're better. 676 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:49,200 Speaker 5: I'm just saying that would be the wildest thing by far, 677 00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:53,560 Speaker 5: and that would certainly make things chaotic that Saturday night. 678 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:57,000 Speaker 1: Okay, So, speaking of upsets in the SEC championship game, like, 679 00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:59,400 Speaker 1: let's throw in here. Let's go back to the more likely, 680 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:02,400 Speaker 1: whereas Ohio State winning out and we know they're gonna 681 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:04,000 Speaker 1: play in a conference title game here, so they will 682 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:05,880 Speaker 1: have a conference title game under their belt. Ohio State 683 00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:08,840 Speaker 1: wins out, Florida wins out, they're the SEC champion. 684 00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:12,040 Speaker 2: Notre Dame wins out, they're the ACC champion. Where are 685 00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:12,400 Speaker 2: we going? 686 00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:14,840 Speaker 6: This is Bama in unless unless they lose by like 687 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:16,680 Speaker 6: one hundred or something. Right like this, I don't think 688 00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:19,160 Speaker 6: this one needs debate. This is pretty obvious. 689 00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:21,000 Speaker 1: So this is the one we're talking about. Like that 690 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:23,920 Speaker 1: kind of bleeds right in from what we were just discussing. 691 00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:26,959 Speaker 1: Does margin matter? Could you have like, what was it 692 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:31,080 Speaker 1: like four Big twelve championship game, just Kansas State annihilates 693 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:34,680 Speaker 1: Oklahoma whenever that was I mean, it's not going to happen. 694 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:38,719 Speaker 1: But for the sake of non zero percent argument, Florida 695 00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:41,720 Speaker 1: wins this thing by thirty points, does it even matter? 696 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:45,240 Speaker 4: My answer is, it's twenty twenty. I don't. 697 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:50,080 Speaker 5: I don't know anything can happen. I did the idea 698 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:54,520 Speaker 5: that Bama is invincible. We're gonna find out in the 699 00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:57,200 Speaker 5: playoff when they get in, because they're gonna beat Florida, 700 00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:00,800 Speaker 5: that they're gonna play They're gonna play close game here 701 00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:03,800 Speaker 5: at some point. They're not gonna keep boat racing people. 702 00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:08,360 Speaker 5: They're gonna face a much better defense here in short time. 703 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:13,280 Speaker 5: The SEC the teams they've been facing, their defenses even 704 00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:17,640 Speaker 5: before facing them, are not incredibly good and certainly not 705 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:20,160 Speaker 5: on the level of some of the defenses they're gonna 706 00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:21,320 Speaker 5: see here in the future. 707 00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:23,480 Speaker 2: All right, let's knock the buck guys out here. 708 00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:28,280 Speaker 1: Ohio State loses somewhere, Alabama wins out, Notre Dame wins out. 709 00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:30,640 Speaker 1: So you got your SEC and your ACC in there. 710 00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:33,760 Speaker 1: And that's really the only two spots we have decided 711 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,400 Speaker 1: in this scenario. So Texas, A and M's got a 712 00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:37,120 Speaker 1: good shot here. 713 00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:39,200 Speaker 2: Who else? This could be the Big twelves, real good 714 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:39,800 Speaker 2: shot here too. 715 00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:43,520 Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm with A and M in Oklahoma fighting it out. 716 00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:46,560 Speaker 5: If Oklahoma's a Big twelve champion right there, I did 717 00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:49,440 Speaker 5: think since maybe is an outside shot, But again, when 718 00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:51,640 Speaker 5: the playoff committee dropped them one spot to eighth, I 719 00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:53,560 Speaker 5: think it's very clear that they're just not gonna be 720 00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:55,600 Speaker 5: entertaining that idea. But I think it comes down to 721 00:30:56,320 --> 00:31:00,000 Speaker 5: A and M and potentially a Big twelve champion Oklahoma, 722 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:04,320 Speaker 5: especially if that Big twelve champion Oklahoma soundly beats Iowa. 723 00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:07,080 Speaker 1: State Big twelve Iowa State, Is this their shot to 724 00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:07,920 Speaker 1: get in the playoff? 725 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:08,760 Speaker 4: Definitely? 726 00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:09,760 Speaker 2: I think so too. 727 00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:12,680 Speaker 9: What if Cincinnati beats Tulsa by thirty five points? 728 00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:16,320 Speaker 6: The committee doesn't seriously consider G five teams. No, they don't. 729 00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:19,640 Speaker 9: I'm just I'm curious, Like Tulsa's really good, Like Tulsa 730 00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:20,640 Speaker 9: is a really good team. 731 00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:25,320 Speaker 8: Nobody's even nobody's even mentioned the poor Trojans USC. 732 00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:29,520 Speaker 7: Yeah, no chance there. Their opponents are combined two and ten. 733 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:32,560 Speaker 5: I want to say this real quick about the Trojans 734 00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:34,160 Speaker 5: because I don't want to make this into a big thing. 735 00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:36,960 Speaker 5: But I was discussing this earlier on PAC twelve radio 736 00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:39,640 Speaker 5: because they're trying to figure out every way somehow a 737 00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:40,120 Speaker 5: team beat in. 738 00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:41,560 Speaker 4: The playoff, which is crazy out there. 739 00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:46,200 Speaker 5: But if USC had just absolutely dominated Arizona State and 740 00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:49,800 Speaker 5: Arizona instead of just looking like crud and eking out wins, 741 00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:53,560 Speaker 5: wouldn't we be kind of comparing Ohio State and USC 742 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:55,719 Speaker 5: at this point if they were both just blowing out 743 00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:58,720 Speaker 5: opponents like USC did this past weekend, but they were 744 00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:01,560 Speaker 5: doing that the entire you know, I say the entire season, 745 00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:05,040 Speaker 5: the last three four weeks, I mean being serious, wouldn't 746 00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:06,880 Speaker 5: we be saying Ohio State and USC would be kind 747 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:08,280 Speaker 5: of in that same realm? 748 00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:11,200 Speaker 9: No, because I think the committee's excusing Ohio State just 749 00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:13,240 Speaker 9: based on talent, and I don't think USC is quite 750 00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:13,800 Speaker 9: at that level. 751 00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:18,280 Speaker 5: But USC, if they were blowing people out, they've got talent, 752 00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:20,400 Speaker 5: maybe not as much as but if they're blowing people 753 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:23,120 Speaker 5: out and you combine that with their talent and this 754 00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:26,360 Speaker 5: idea of wow, they're just heads and shoulder above everybody 755 00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:28,680 Speaker 5: else in the PAC twelve, I think they would be 756 00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:32,600 Speaker 5: in a somewhat similar realm as Ohio State at this moment. 757 00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:34,400 Speaker 9: I think the committee would never admit it, but they 758 00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:38,080 Speaker 9: watched football happen last year and USC was awful to 759 00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:42,360 Speaker 9: okay at times, and USC's talents is not quite as 760 00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:44,800 Speaker 9: good as Ohio States, and they do have initial poll byas. 761 00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:46,720 Speaker 9: I don't think it would be kind of the same 762 00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:47,800 Speaker 9: conversation to me. 763 00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:50,440 Speaker 7: The story of USC's season, though Brandon has been that 764 00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:54,080 Speaker 7: they've been squeaking by bad teams. Like saying that if 765 00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:55,720 Speaker 7: they had been blowing people out is like saying if 766 00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:57,240 Speaker 7: Ohio State had four more games. 767 00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:00,360 Speaker 5: Well, I understand that, but I'm imagining a ward where 768 00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:01,920 Speaker 5: there's a different head coach at USC. 769 00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:05,400 Speaker 6: Sorry, they also needed organ to not choke away two 770 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:08,320 Speaker 6: games that they needed the game against Colorado, which is undefeated, 771 00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:10,880 Speaker 6: to not get canceled. I really feel bad for the 772 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:13,040 Speaker 6: guys who have to program PAC twelve radio right now, 773 00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:15,440 Speaker 6: Like that is much tougher than our job here today. 774 00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:22,400 Speaker 1: Let's go Ohio State loss, Florida SEC champion, Clemson ACC champion. 775 00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:26,240 Speaker 1: I personally had Bama Clemson, Florida, and then like this 776 00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:28,600 Speaker 1: is another Notre Dame versus Texas A and M debate 777 00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:31,520 Speaker 1: for me, and I guess it comes down to, you know, 778 00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:34,400 Speaker 1: like this may be another one of those scenarios where 779 00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:38,560 Speaker 1: margin of loss for Notre Dame in the ACC championship 780 00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:41,640 Speaker 1: game is being measured against Texas A and M playing 781 00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:42,800 Speaker 1: in the superior division. 782 00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:44,360 Speaker 2: But they got blown out by Bama. 783 00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:47,320 Speaker 1: But you know, neither of you has a conference title, 784 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:49,840 Speaker 1: so's I don't know which, to be honest with you, 785 00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:51,760 Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know which way the committee's 786 00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:53,520 Speaker 1: going there. They haven't been tested on that yet. I 787 00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:55,680 Speaker 1: haven't really seen many Texas A and M Notre Dame 788 00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:58,240 Speaker 1: resume comparisons, So that would be kind of a new 789 00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:02,560 Speaker 1: topic of conversation that is not crazy to envision. 790 00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:04,440 Speaker 5: Actually, I think a lot of us agree here it's 791 00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:05,920 Speaker 5: Notre Dame over A and M, right. 792 00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:08,040 Speaker 8: As long as it's close I'm not like I think 793 00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:10,799 Speaker 8: some people are acting like it's you know, there's if 794 00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:13,800 Speaker 8: Notre Dame loses bout twenty four points, then they're still 795 00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:16,000 Speaker 8: in because they got that initial I'm not buying that. 796 00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:17,759 Speaker 8: I think Notre Dame has This has to be a 797 00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:21,520 Speaker 8: really competitive game. But if it is, I got a 798 00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:23,160 Speaker 8: hard time seeing Notre Dame being out. 799 00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:24,719 Speaker 7: Bart and do you have a margin you want to 800 00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:25,600 Speaker 7: go on the record. 801 00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:26,600 Speaker 3: With here ten points? 802 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:30,200 Speaker 7: Oh okay, because again Alabama bet A and M by 803 00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:31,319 Speaker 7: four touchdowns. 804 00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:35,280 Speaker 8: But there's no there's no And again maybe it matters 805 00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:37,600 Speaker 8: what happens in that Florida game. There's no evidence to 806 00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:41,160 Speaker 8: suggest that Alabama didn't beating everybody by twenty plus points. 807 00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:42,520 Speaker 6: But in this scenario, they lost. 808 00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:44,480 Speaker 8: Oh I see what you're saying. All right, Well so 809 00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:47,839 Speaker 8: they lost, all right? I think, oh, man, I don't know. 810 00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:50,640 Speaker 7: That's interesting you said ten because like that's what we 811 00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:52,520 Speaker 7: could be looking at the line seven and a half, 812 00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:54,359 Speaker 7: like we could be looking at that. So I'm glad 813 00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:55,760 Speaker 7: we have you clipped now on the record. 814 00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:58,279 Speaker 8: I also think you know, ten points is is just 815 00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:01,399 Speaker 8: sort of a that's a number without context. I think 816 00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:03,400 Speaker 8: has got to be the game has to be in 817 00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:05,400 Speaker 8: doubt deep into the fourth quarter. That's really, ultimately what 818 00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:06,920 Speaker 8: it's about, less than a real number. 819 00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:09,799 Speaker 1: Yeah, this is also a potentially Notre Dame getting in 820 00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:13,359 Speaker 1: versus three SEC teams being in debate against. So that's 821 00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:17,359 Speaker 1: your tiebreaker, that margin be damned, that's your actual tie breaker. 822 00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:19,160 Speaker 2: We're not putting three SEC teams in this thing. 823 00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:21,600 Speaker 6: Something else that matters. What would be You know recent 824 00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:23,880 Speaker 6: victories for A and M. A and M is a 825 00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:26,399 Speaker 6: huge Auburn fan this weekend, they want that game agains 826 00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:28,719 Speaker 6: Mississippi State to get played, and they want Auburn to 827 00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:32,000 Speaker 6: beat Mississippi State. Mississippi State clips Auburn, or if LSU 828 00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:34,880 Speaker 6: goes into the swamp and loses by forty, then you 829 00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:37,200 Speaker 6: know that recent A and M performance against LSU in 830 00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:39,919 Speaker 6: which their offense look pedestrian yet again, and I looked 831 00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:42,480 Speaker 6: it up there one hundred and sixth in offensive explosiveness. 832 00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:45,120 Speaker 6: A and M is which is a real differentiating factor 833 00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:47,400 Speaker 6: between every other team we've mentioned today, you know, as 834 00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:50,240 Speaker 6: far as the ability to hit big plays. If Florida 835 00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:52,960 Speaker 6: wipe's the floor with LSU, or if Auburn is not 836 00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:56,800 Speaker 6: very good against Mississippi State, that makes the recent performances 837 00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:58,200 Speaker 6: by A and M down in the stretch, you know, 838 00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:00,520 Speaker 6: not quite as impressive, whereas you can argue certain teams 839 00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:02,600 Speaker 6: have improved, you know, down the stretch of the year. 840 00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:05,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's that's probably a very off the radar game. 841 00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:09,400 Speaker 1: It certainly doesn't have playoff implications immediately, but the whole 842 00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:12,520 Speaker 1: Auburn versus Mississippi State deal, A and M's watching it 843 00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:15,600 Speaker 1: for reasons you just stated, everyone in the SEC West 844 00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:18,040 Speaker 1: who's comfortable with Malsan being at Auburn is watching it, 845 00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:20,040 Speaker 1: and they're waving the orange and blue pompom as well. 846 00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:23,520 Speaker 1: So there's some very very strange bedfellows in the SEC 847 00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:25,600 Speaker 1: West this weekend. All right, how about this one. This 848 00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:27,360 Speaker 1: is the last one we had on the sheet. Ohio 849 00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:31,480 Speaker 1: State loses, Florida wins out, Notre Dame wins out. 850 00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:32,960 Speaker 2: And for this one, I. 851 00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:36,680 Speaker 1: Just wrote Florida's in obviously, Notre Dame's in obviously. I 852 00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:38,880 Speaker 1: think A and M's in here, and then you've got 853 00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:40,400 Speaker 1: kind of chaos. 854 00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:41,480 Speaker 3: After that, Well, Alabama's in. 855 00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's actually not chaotic at all. Probably the easiest 856 00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:44,520 Speaker 2: one we. 857 00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:48,160 Speaker 8: Had actually, Yeah, yeah, I think that's Alabama Florida, Notre Dame. 858 00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,000 Speaker 3: And then who's the fourth one? 859 00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:53,320 Speaker 2: That's the fourth one? Yeah, the fourth one is the 860 00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:54,160 Speaker 2: more chaotic part. 861 00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:56,360 Speaker 6: Is this another A and M A and M Clemson 862 00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:58,120 Speaker 6: debate or is the Big Twelve in here? 863 00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:00,880 Speaker 3: I think that Clemson would be out can't lose twice. 864 00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:02,759 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it's a I think it's a Big 865 00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,360 Speaker 5: twelve discussion where the Big Twelve gets back involved. 866 00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:07,400 Speaker 1: I'm trying to find a way for Cincinnati. There's just 867 00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:09,680 Speaker 1: not a way. I mean, I really tried the whole time. Mentally, 868 00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:11,120 Speaker 1: I tried, and I have not yet. 869 00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:14,399 Speaker 5: The committee made it clear when they dropped them there, 870 00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:15,680 Speaker 5: you might as well just put. 871 00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:18,800 Speaker 4: It, erase them from reality. They don't exist anymore. 872 00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:21,200 Speaker 6: Is this the best chance for Alabama and win the 873 00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:23,360 Speaker 6: national title? Like if Bama could rig the field, a 874 00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:25,760 Speaker 6: field that does not have Trevor Lawrence or Justin fields 875 00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:28,279 Speaker 6: in it, that's the one Nick Saban wants, right Like 876 00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:30,239 Speaker 6: he knows he can beat Oklahoma. You know you could 877 00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:32,319 Speaker 6: you could throw that game against Florida or whatever. Don't 878 00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:34,440 Speaker 6: you think that that's the playoff Snaier that Saban would want? 879 00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:37,440 Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, yes, oh absolutely, I mean he's not 880 00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:38,920 Speaker 1: even I don't even think I don't even think they're 881 00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:40,600 Speaker 1: looking at teams right now. I think they're looking at 882 00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:42,840 Speaker 1: two players, ones in Columbus, ones in Clemson. 883 00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:44,520 Speaker 2: That's what they care about. 884 00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:46,640 Speaker 6: We're gonna get some Florida hate for not including Kyle 885 00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:50,000 Speaker 6: Trask in the fields Lawrence, Uh, you know, discussion? 886 00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:51,680 Speaker 1: Well, bub would you like to tell me if you 887 00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:52,960 Speaker 1: include Kyle Trask in the fields? 888 00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:53,920 Speaker 2: Lawrence? Discussion there. 889 00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:56,640 Speaker 6: I think we'll see that that verdict in May or 890 00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:58,000 Speaker 6: when's the draft this year? 891 00:37:58,239 --> 00:37:59,520 Speaker 7: April late April. 892 00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:02,920 Speaker 5: Man Dan Mullin would tell you straight up, to be 893 00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:04,440 Speaker 5: a great college player. 894 00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:07,959 Speaker 4: Doesn't mean you have to be even a good NFL. 895 00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:10,640 Speaker 1: Player to win this national championship at quarterback, you better 896 00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:11,920 Speaker 1: be a future good NFL player. 897 00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:13,600 Speaker 2: We want to leave it on that. Yeah, it feels good. 898 00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:14,360 Speaker 2: Let's leave it on that. 899 00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:18,320 Speaker 1: This has been This has been your first, not necessarily inaugural, 900 00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:21,920 Speaker 1: but first college football twenty four seven Sports Roundtable for 901 00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:25,160 Speaker 1: the playoff. Who knows if it'll ever happen again. Who 902 00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:27,120 Speaker 1: knows if we'll ever even see each other's bright and 903 00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:28,960 Speaker 1: shining faces again. 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