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Speaker 3: And sometimes you know, it's not just a guess, it's
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Speaker 3: all of those other things, you know. Top tens, a
Speaker 3: few albums, a bunch of shows here and there from Detroit,
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Speaker 5: John bro Yes, sir, thank you, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 5: Appreciate that shaded fellers chilling, chilling.
Speaker 3: Yeah, come on man, listen man, we are happy to
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Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 3: You're like a little brother of me. You know what
Speaker 3: I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Thank you, man.
Speaker 3: And it's crazy, like like running back into you in Dallas, yep,
Speaker 3: because we hadn't seen each other in fourteen years. I'd
Speaker 3: have been fourteen, fourteen fourteen.
Speaker 1: Since the session we had done fourteen yeah, Lee, And
Speaker 1: when I saw you it was a meeting. I was like,
Speaker 1: what are you doing here? What's on there?
Speaker 3: Right, like I'm opening. I was like, no one told
Speaker 3: me this, right right, but I'd always remembered you and
Speaker 3: was like.
Speaker 1: That was my guy, that was my little guy. That
Speaker 1: was we did some work together.
Speaker 3: We did, and then sitting down in that room and
Speaker 3: having a conversation with you, you know, just about how
Speaker 3: you felt about where you were and and what you
Speaker 3: needed moving forward. And from that point on, you know,
Speaker 3: my vow to you was, hey, man, whatever you need,
Speaker 3: I got you straight up. And the first thing we're
Speaker 3: gonna do, We're gonna get you a record. Yep, we
Speaker 3: went and damn it got you and got you.
Speaker 5: I mean.
Speaker 1: Definitely.
Speaker 3: But listen, man, let's get into the you know, Army
Speaker 3: Money podcast is about getting into the history of of
Speaker 3: a of a of a guy, of a gal and
Speaker 3: understanding where it all comes from.
Speaker 1: Right you can say, oh thanks man.
Speaker 3: That's that's the one thing you can say.
Speaker 6: Look right now, we got some dynamic singers, right, yeah,
Speaker 6: come on, you got to bring when you're.
Speaker 1: You can sing.
Speaker 3: And I want to get into the history of kind
Speaker 3: of where it all started for you, and not just
Speaker 3: from a business standpoint, but even just developing and honing
Speaker 3: your craft, Like where did that start for you and
Speaker 3: when did somebody say you got something or when did
Speaker 3: you feel like you had something?
Speaker 6: It started my dad's church in Detroit, so rest in
Speaker 6: Peace with my father, Pastor Brown started there was playing
Speaker 6: an organ, doing some of everything, and then from there
Speaker 6: progressing to talent shows, you know, just the same stuff
Speaker 6: we all pretty much did.
Speaker 5: And then from there I think, like I got to
Speaker 5: deal with Universe Republic. That's when we first cat moving fast.
Speaker 3: How did you? How did you get a deal with
Speaker 3: Universal Republic? And did somebody say, hey, man, you need
Speaker 3: to come see this guy that's singing and all these
Speaker 3: talent shows in Detroit?
Speaker 1: All right? See me that? All right?
Speaker 6: So how I got to deal with Universal? There was
Speaker 6: a guy in Detroit who heard me sing foind me
Speaker 6: on my Space and he's like, man, I know a
Speaker 6: guy who's in a radio business. He can get you.
Speaker 6: I was like, man, whatever, man, this is Detroit. Cat
Speaker 6: talking no offense to Detroit. I love Detroit, but you
Speaker 6: know people talk, you.
Speaker 1: Can talk about it.
Speaker 5: So I'm like, man, you know he playing.
Speaker 6: Maybe two months later he introduced me to my manager,
Speaker 6: Maurice Harley, and so from there he was like, man,
Speaker 6: I'm a radio guy, and you know, I want to
Speaker 6: try to help you out put a few songs out.
Speaker 5: Then boom, it just started to grow.
Speaker 1: And that was it, and they just called you.
Speaker 6: They just called me, like, well, four labels called me,
Speaker 6: but then Universal I decided to go with them.
Speaker 2: So for for you as a young artist at the time,
Speaker 2: and you just kind of looking at you know, these
Speaker 2: these offers being on the table for you, what makes
Speaker 2: you at that age say this label makes the most
Speaker 2: sense for me.
Speaker 6: That's a good question because I'm gonna say, honestly, I
Speaker 6: can't even say that was really my thought process. I
Speaker 6: think it was more so like I finally have a deal,
Speaker 6: so let me roll with it, you know, versus me
Speaker 6: really strategically figuring now if this was like the right
Speaker 6: thing for me. I was just more so excited that
Speaker 6: somebody wanted to sign me.
Speaker 1: So so they excited you the.
Speaker 2: Most, you know, just in all honesty, brother, because.
Speaker 6: The money, y'all know what time it was more money,
Speaker 6: So I was like, I'm gonna go here. But yeah,
Speaker 6: it was an experience.
Speaker 2: So now, in hindsight, with that situation not working out,
Speaker 2: in would you do would you go to that same
Speaker 2: label over these other three, because it's four altogether.
Speaker 1: When you look at your artistry, are you trying to
Speaker 1: start something? Not even that I'm trying to start something.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to.
Speaker 2: For the for the kids that are watching and them
Speaker 2: having an understanding that every team don't match the player facts.
Speaker 2: Right In in sports, you can't really pick who drafts you.
Speaker 2: In music, you can unless there's only one and you
Speaker 2: just chasing that. But if you have multiple offers, you
Speaker 2: now have the opportunity to say this, an R has
Speaker 2: done such and.
Speaker 1: Such, Maybe that works with what I do. You know what.
Speaker 2: They have no one up there that that does what
Speaker 2: I do, and that can help. But maybe that could
Speaker 2: hurt me because maybe they don't know what to do with.
Speaker 1: Me, and I think artists don't. We don't. We don't stand.
Speaker 2: Back and assess, just say, oh shit, y'all offer me
Speaker 2: two dollars, they offer me two fifty.
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna roll with this.
Speaker 3: I'm go with that extra extra. That's a couple extra
Speaker 3: sandwiches where I'm from, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: So that's why I asked, because we try to be
Speaker 2: as formed as informative as we possibly can exactly, you know,
Speaker 2: to the listener who either they don't know the music business,
Speaker 2: are they're coming up and they want to be in
Speaker 2: the music business. We want to give that to them
Speaker 2: so they can have an understanding of how to look
Speaker 2: at it, you know, when you're coming in.
Speaker 1: That's that's true.
Speaker 6: I mean yeah, So, I mean when you put it
Speaker 6: that way for the listeners, I think, in hindsight, I
Speaker 6: should have more so just maybe figured out if there
Speaker 6: was better situations out versus rushing into you know what
Speaker 6: I mean, y'all make sure y'all just know what y'all
Speaker 6: getting y'allselves into before y'all get involved in it. Not
Speaker 6: to say that it was a bad deal, but I
Speaker 6: think if I would have just waited a little bit longer,
Speaker 6: it might have been a little bit better. M hm,
Speaker 6: just in any deal, in any deal, you know, Yeah,
Speaker 6: I think that's yeah.
Speaker 3: I think the I think the hunger for the deal
Speaker 3: as an artist, I mean, it's just it's just a
Speaker 3: real thing that's unavoidable because you feel like that is
Speaker 3: the validation that is a stand.
Speaker 1: I'm really I'm really in this ship, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying.
Speaker 3: I'm professional now, I got this paperwork, I got this contract.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. It's got it's got terms
Speaker 1: and conditions on it. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: And you know I got to build and I can
Speaker 3: go to where they know my name?
Speaker 2: You think you can go to that too? Do you
Speaker 2: think you can go? Do you think who? Do you
Speaker 2: think they know your name?
Speaker 1: Who? If you call, I just gotta sign here. If
Speaker 1: you call.
Speaker 3: Debbie, is your dad not asked for the chairman? Does
Speaker 3: his name Debbie mean anything? Nab Debbie, Debbie, Debbie Reynolds,
Speaker 3: wieb Wire. So hold on, let's go back at sixteen
Speaker 3: and what age? What age is this? Were you getting
Speaker 3: the universal thing? That was.
Speaker 1: Nineteen? Okay, so lets eighteen.
Speaker 3: Let's go back a little bit. Yeah, fellow, at sixteen,
Speaker 3: aren't you signing the White Cleft?
Speaker 1: Johan?
Speaker 3: Is that? Is that? What happens there?
Speaker 1: Yep?
Speaker 6: Sixteen signed the Cleft and he came through Detroit. No,
Speaker 6: so right, you know that ain't happening. So somebody knew
Speaker 6: Cleft's cousin Jerry Wonder Jerry one day Jerry. Jerry was
Speaker 6: like god, yeah, yeah, And so they wanted to audition
Speaker 6: my boys, and I like, well, my group and I
Speaker 6: and so we drove from Detroit to New York did
Speaker 6: the audition, like immediately want to sign us. So that's
Speaker 6: how that deal kind of went. Moved to Jersey boom.
Speaker 1: It was an.
Speaker 6: Experience, you know, yeah, it was an experience. But cleft
Speaker 6: shout out to cleft man, great dude.
Speaker 3: How long was you in Jersey?
Speaker 5: Like two years?
Speaker 3: Oh oh, y'all was really getting into it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, we were recording.
Speaker 1: So when you're going to school high school?
Speaker 6: Yeah, man, I transfer my senior year. It was crazy
Speaker 6: we eleventh grade?
Speaker 1: Did you actually do school work in Jersey to No?
Speaker 3: I did it?
Speaker 1: The truth?
Speaker 6: Well, you know, you moved this group from one place
Speaker 6: to another city we've never been to.
Speaker 5: We were trying to have fun.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 5: You know, young folks getting in trouble.
Speaker 1: Enrolled in the New Jersey high school.
Speaker 3: Only me.
Speaker 1: Everybody already finished, okay, yeah, so when they're still hanging out,
Speaker 1: you're supposed to go to class.
Speaker 6: Exactly, so you are new time. It was it was like, man,
Speaker 6: this do they hang out all night? I'm trying to study, Like,
Speaker 6: just come on, man, chill is. I'm like, all I
Speaker 6: forget it. It wasn't a good experience in terms of
Speaker 6: not doing my work, But overall it was a good experience.
Speaker 3: You know, what did what do you feel like you
Speaker 3: got from that experience or or got from Claff because
Speaker 3: were you'll working with Jerry at the time.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we're working with Jerry now y'all where y'all at
Speaker 5: Platinum Sound Sound and Booker Basement and hold on what
Speaker 5: year two thousand.
Speaker 1: One? Two? Okay? Three?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, okay, so you're working with the guy? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: And so what do you feel like? First of all,
Speaker 3: what did you get from that? And what do you
Speaker 3: feel like was the part that didn't where it didn't
Speaker 3: add up and it ended up dissolving.
Speaker 5: I think that what we learned from CLAFF was more
Speaker 5: more so just just staying focused.
Speaker 6: We were young and it's a new experience. So when
Speaker 6: you take said these young kids from one environment to
Speaker 6: the next, it's like, Okay, we just want to have fun.
Speaker 6: But Cleft wanted us to just focus. Yeah, and so
Speaker 6: some of us did, and some of us wanted to
Speaker 6: run around and do our thing and not really focused.
Speaker 6: So ultimately Cleft cut a few members, chopped them down,
Speaker 6: you know, got rid of them, and then from there
Speaker 6: we just try to read regroup and get a new group,
Speaker 6: and then boom. It just kind of sprout after that
Speaker 6: because we had new people in the group and people
Speaker 6: weren't really just didn't have the same commitment, so it
Speaker 6: just kind of threw everything and we didn't well we
Speaker 6: knew some of them, but not four four And where's
Speaker 6: your call?
Speaker 5: E two G?
Speaker 3: What does that mean?
Speaker 5: I don't even remember elements two thousands something like that.
Speaker 5: I had. I had no say something that.
Speaker 3: E two G. Right software coming.
Speaker 1: To kids.
Speaker 5: It wasn't my joy, it wasn't listen to.
Speaker 1: That's probably one of the worst names.
Speaker 3: Yo.
Speaker 1: You know who came up with that name?
Speaker 3: What' me?
Speaker 1: So that's what old.
Speaker 3: Got coming to an Android near you?
Speaker 1: E two G.
Speaker 3: These apps are off the chain, right, You.
Speaker 1: Got that new yout g on your phone?
Speaker 3: The update is crazy t G update like.
Speaker 1: It makes the worst.
Speaker 6: One of the group members got that name tattooed on him,
Speaker 6: So I yeah, sorry, brother, if you're watching this, man,
Speaker 6: I ain't trying.
Speaker 5: To play you with you.
Speaker 3: Damn, what do we come on?
Speaker 1: Let's come up with some good let's feeling then.
Speaker 5: Get out of here, man, get out everything, just.
Speaker 3: Everything to get uh uh evolve together together.
Speaker 1: Yeah, evolved up together, eat together, Eat together together.
Speaker 3: That might work work.
Speaker 5: No, it didn't work. We tried.
Speaker 1: So E two G falls apart for obvious reasons. Started
Speaker 1: that name.
Speaker 3: I can't sign nobody eat G. I can't walk up
Speaker 3: in no company telling them, is you EAT two G
Speaker 3: network home? You ain't signed on the heat to the
Speaker 3: eat G that's got the most band wid All right? Man?
Speaker 3: E two G? This band and and what you go
Speaker 3: back home? Went back home, back to Detroit.
Speaker 1: So you ain't been home in two years?
Speaker 5: Two years? You just pop back up, back up. So
Speaker 5: how does that go to?
Speaker 1: Though?
Speaker 2: When you leave Detroit at sixteen, you leave your senior
Speaker 2: year and you're like, man, I'm going I'm signing the cleft.
Speaker 1: I'm out y'all because niggas in the hood is waiting
Speaker 1: to see you on TV exactly.
Speaker 6: So I knew what she was alluding to. It was
Speaker 6: let's just say we hit our faces. Yeah I know
Speaker 6: I did. I was like, Yo, I'm not even like
Speaker 6: I disappeared, man, really, because I.
Speaker 5: Mean, you're going back home. People think you know you
Speaker 5: from the D so it's kind of like people think
Speaker 5: you made it. Once we get back, it's like y.
Speaker 1: Why y'all back, Like you know how I go.
Speaker 3: I'm just here for a second and two until the
Speaker 3: paperwork because it's a new paper.
Speaker 5: Yeah, man, it was yeah, because.
Speaker 3: That going home, going home after because everyone at home
Speaker 3: and at home is everywhere for everybody, right, going back
Speaker 3: home after this quote unquote breakthrough. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: It's the hardest, hardest lesson man to learn from and
Speaker 3: get over. Like for me, I was never going home
Speaker 3: when I got to l A.
Speaker 1: That was it.
Speaker 3: I'm never going home. I was filling up a stolen
Speaker 3: uh Lincoln town car with pennies from the ash tray.
Speaker 3: But I was not.
Speaker 6: Going That's called determination, man, ever.
Speaker 3: Damn but that you know, there's a different lesson than that.
Speaker 3: I ain't go home, but I went to ranch a Cuckamoka.
Speaker 1: Helped me out with that one. You see you see
Speaker 1: next Friday. Oh, I'm the cave. But I wasn't that bad.
Speaker 1: He wasn't in that part.
Speaker 3: And I definitely want the can. I was walking around,
Speaker 3: he wasn't. He went over there. Did I have it
Speaker 3: but a two bedroom apartment? Trying to figure trying to
Speaker 3: figure it out, right, because things do fall apart and
Speaker 3: so at that time, you know, I was on the
Speaker 3: outswip with my label and all of that. Like that
Speaker 3: was right before me and Jay and when Jay met me,
Speaker 3: like I was, I was riding riding in the town, uh,
Speaker 3: in a four door for that escort crazy manual would
Speaker 3: roll down windows nuts. Yeah, but I wasn't going home.
Speaker 3: I'm not going home. So so now now we can
Speaker 3: fast forward to you got to get back to work,
Speaker 3: because that's how you get discovered pretty much just for
Speaker 3: the university situation, yep. So who who What did you
Speaker 3: do in between that time while you were trying to
Speaker 3: keep your face hidden?
Speaker 1: Uh, you're still young, you you know.
Speaker 6: I was preparing to go to college at that point. Wow, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 6: I said, at this point because again we thought this
Speaker 6: was a major deal.
Speaker 5: So it's like it didn't happen. So it's like, all right,
Speaker 5: what's the next option?
Speaker 1: School?
Speaker 5: So I went off to Grambling State and that was that.
Speaker 1: But I kept singing what he went to Gramblin?
Speaker 3: You singing that Gramblin.
Speaker 5: I was singing that Grambling that did Oh it did something.
Speaker 5: It did something, man, I'm gonna tell you it was.
Speaker 5: It was an experience.
Speaker 1: You a bunch of youtub gf there. Yeah, man, get
Speaker 1: you a bunch of you could use.
Speaker 3: Everything.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah.
Speaker 3: And so Gramlin State and then Universal are you doing
Speaker 3: music there at all? Are like in the band up there?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 5: You just talent shows? But you doing talent shows shows.
Speaker 6: And Gramblin Booze the bad. But I became popular after
Speaker 6: singing your records. And that was that what you say slow?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 5: I said, maybe I sing maybe I deserve and I sang.
Speaker 1: Slowly. That's crazy.
Speaker 6: Yeah, they didn't get boot. No, they talked about that
Speaker 6: to this day. No way, I promise you. It was
Speaker 6: like the best performance they've ever seen in Gramlin's history
Speaker 6: from a student.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Probably, Yeah, he would probably have a problem with you
Speaker 2: saying that because he went there.
Speaker 5: Oh man, well I'm a singer disregarding side.
Speaker 1: But no, that was it.
Speaker 5: And then from there a guy was working with Jahim.
Speaker 5: He hit me up.
Speaker 6: He apparently he worked at Gramblin. So I went out
Speaker 6: to Jersey. I started doing work with other people who
Speaker 6: work with Jahim, and yeah, man, from there, it just
Speaker 6: kept focusing on my dream.
Speaker 5: But then coming back.
Speaker 6: To school, just trying to stay busy with music because
Speaker 6: again I'm a singer.
Speaker 5: We're all singers. We want to keep doing it to.
Speaker 6: Kind of keep that, you know, keep ourselves polished. Yeah,
Speaker 6: so I kept going.
Speaker 3: So when did you get into the space to where
Speaker 3: you came to see us? What time was that? That was?
Speaker 5: That was two thousand and nine, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: So I had a lot of time elapsed between that.
Speaker 6: Right, Yeah, yeah, a lot of time. So in other words,
Speaker 6: you asking what happened?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 5: So from there I was just on recording still talent shows.
Speaker 5: And that's about it.
Speaker 3: Were you're working?
Speaker 1: I was working? Where were you working? You really want
Speaker 1: to know that? Absolutely? Yeah, because the people people want
Speaker 1: to know.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna tell you, I'm how thing go chicken?
Speaker 1: You gave me the hook up? Yeah?
Speaker 3: I would because I used to go to the popeye'es
Speaker 3: and they would give me extra tenders and extra fries, and.
Speaker 1: The bus the same one, the same one. You just
Speaker 1: knew that they was gonna get at it.
Speaker 3: Up the street from my mama house.
Speaker 1: Wow. No, I love Pope, Yeah, oh yeah, they love They.
Speaker 3: Treat me right, Oh yeah, they will the right person
Speaker 3: with that, with that Marty Crown mustard, that must have
Speaker 3: got your thing and they want to people be talking
Speaker 3: about the other.
Speaker 1: They got a good fact. Nobody messing with that.
Speaker 2: So you're you're at Popeye's before or after the Universal deal,
Speaker 2: after after the university.
Speaker 5: So that's how it really gets. You may think you're
Speaker 5: about to make it. Yeah, but you're back to the streets,
Speaker 5: back to the streets in Detroit and the d mm.
Speaker 1: Hmm shout that you want to shout that Pope is out.
Speaker 5: Many know, y'all eight miles and you know what you
Speaker 5: do what you do giving away free food your ass
Speaker 5: to I know you would have.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to run a business here what I'm trying.
Speaker 6: To hook up my people? You know that made enough money.
Speaker 6: It was a late night hour at there's a lot
Speaker 6: of biscus. There's a lot of biscuits. It's a lot
Speaker 6: of a lot of biscuits.
Speaker 5: No, but still the man still, you know.
Speaker 3: And how did you get out of Popeyes? Of course
Speaker 3: they fired you. But how do you get from Popeye's
Speaker 3: to to come and to see us?
Speaker 1: So what record coming to where you are? When you
Speaker 1: came to Republic? Universal Republic? He said, He said, Pope's
Speaker 1: is after Universal Republic.
Speaker 5: No Universal was before before? Okay, okay, the Republic is
Speaker 5: after you get okay, right, that was the white Cleff
Speaker 5: situation when we came back home.
Speaker 1: You go to Popeye's after why cleft? Yeah?
Speaker 6: Well yeah, yeah yeah, don't judge me right now.
Speaker 1: It's a little nobody listen. You gotta listen. You have
Speaker 1: to work, You gotta take care of yourself. It ain't.
Speaker 1: People get too caught up.
Speaker 2: Emphasis on caught up facts with what kind of job
Speaker 2: or where you like?
Speaker 1: Bro do something to take care of yourself?
Speaker 5: Yeah, man, it's important.
Speaker 1: Are you gonna sit in that sale and wish you
Speaker 1: would have done something else? Fact? To take care of yourself?
Speaker 1: A fact?
Speaker 2: You know what I mean, because we've all faced it
Speaker 2: at some point in our life where it's like.
Speaker 1: What what what the else is going for?
Speaker 3: How much? Tell me how? What exactly do I gotta do?
Speaker 1: I take the bag, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Like everybody, our community, mention our community. Man, it's it's
Speaker 2: always this this quick fix, this easy way out, and
Speaker 2: it's actually the easiest way in.
Speaker 1: They gonna lock.
Speaker 5: Your ass up. Inevitably, if you keep going, they're going
Speaker 5: to lock you up.
Speaker 2: And sometimes you don't even make it to the keep
Speaker 2: this feelings out here that got Oh man, I just
Speaker 2: I just had it. I was hustling for about a
Speaker 2: week and also robusted. Yeah, so it's like, bro, I
Speaker 2: respect it. Appreciate that absolutely, I respect it.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: The sad part is some people don't respect it.
Speaker 3: Taking care of yourself is a real thing, right, And
Speaker 3: so what you learn about, you know, doing this doing
Speaker 3: music is that it's creb. We just had this conversation,
Speaker 3: Like doing music under duress is way different than doing
Speaker 3: music because you love to do music, and so most
Speaker 3: people go through this duress process where they're under pressure.
Speaker 3: For them, they put the pressure on the music to perform.
Speaker 3: It has to perform in such a way in order
Speaker 3: for them to survive, which is a tough space to
Speaker 3: make music from.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like.
Speaker 3: Having that job to make sure your bills are paid
Speaker 3: will give you less time in the space. But when
Speaker 3: you're making the music, making money is not on your mind.
Speaker 3: Making music is pretty much when you get in front
Speaker 3: of the chicken. You know what that is. I can
Speaker 3: go a few different ways, you know, talking about wow,
Speaker 3: but that job, that thing that I just I just believe,
Speaker 3: we gotta we gotta, we gotta teach teach you know
Speaker 3: anybody coming up in entertainment or anybody coming up in
Speaker 3: any field that in the beginning is a labor of
Speaker 3: labor of love until you actually become economically self sufficient
Speaker 3: in that space. You want to do something to make
Speaker 3: sure that you're okay facts, because it takes a toll
Speaker 3: on the mind to be trying to figure out like
Speaker 3: I had a baby early, you gotta feed the baby,
Speaker 3: You got a wife early, you got a wife.
Speaker 1: All of these things hit you hard, man.
Speaker 3: So you you make you you writing songs like your
Speaker 3: life is on the line. And most of us are
Speaker 3: from that fire, from sleeping on floors and all of
Speaker 3: these things. We're built in that fire. But something happened
Speaker 3: when we were able to just really do this because
Speaker 3: we love to do it. Something special happened. And don't
Speaker 3: shy away from that. Don't shy away from that foundation
Speaker 3: or making sure that people understand that part of the story,
Speaker 3: because Pope's chicken is important.
Speaker 5: Yeah, for real, it got me to this point. Yeah,
Speaker 5: it was an experience. So you go to Republic and
Speaker 5: how do you get to us?
Speaker 6: I can't remember her name, but I would always say.
Speaker 6: She would always ask who's your favorite artist? So I'm like, man,
Speaker 6: I say.
Speaker 5: Tank said, who else?
Speaker 6: I'm like, Tank, who else? Tank was like, you gotta
Speaker 6: be somebody else. I'm like, well, I like James Brown,
Speaker 6: you know, voice to man, of course. But she was like,
Speaker 6: but who really inspirted Tank? So I ain't just saying
Speaker 6: that because you hear it, man, nonybody knows when they know,
Speaker 6: it's the truth. So she was like, oh, that's interesting.
Speaker 6: I'm gonna see if I know him. I'm gonna see if
Speaker 6: I can figure. I'm like, what, you know, you definitely
Speaker 6: know who he is. She surprised me, went over to
Speaker 6: was it Harvey Mason? I was knocked out. I never
Speaker 6: forget this day. Man, uh Steve Burkle's name?
Speaker 5: What's his name?
Speaker 3: Again?
Speaker 1: I woke up?
Speaker 6: Man, I was knocked out because I mean you quite frankly,
Speaker 6: you took a while.
Speaker 5: You ain't you ain't come on time, but it's all right.
Speaker 1: You came.
Speaker 5: And then when you got there, you were singing like
Speaker 5: who's this John Bryan?
Speaker 1: Who's the joint?
Speaker 6: I'm like that voice aren't familiar? And you started doing runs.
Speaker 6: I'm like, nah, I ain't no Tank, and it was
Speaker 6: you and that.
Speaker 3: Was that was it?
Speaker 5: That right, I think I think the floor.
Speaker 1: Did you know it was at the studio with us.
Speaker 6: He was there in the room like he was in
Speaker 6: the weighting room or something like warming up some food.
Speaker 1: I woke up, like Steve, that's my dog.
Speaker 5: He was in there. He was like, yeah, you know.
Speaker 5: Of course, I'm like making you do the article and
Speaker 5: all that.
Speaker 1: He's like, nah, you did I promise. But I'm young.
Speaker 1: I'm young, man. Don't don't judge me. Don't judge judge that.
Speaker 5: Don't judge me.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 1: Listen, Listen to people.
Speaker 5: It's a truthful moment.
Speaker 1: But listen people when you see don't never do it.
Speaker 2: When you see people that you you know you love
Speaker 2: something that they've done or that you know you respect it,
Speaker 2: just tell them that. Don't ask them like, don't run
Speaker 2: up on Carlton talk about can you do the car
Speaker 2: our files.
Speaker 1: That were bare right, and asked him to do the
Speaker 1: call to.
Speaker 2: Don't run up on Julio White and asked him to
Speaker 2: do the Earth Yeah.
Speaker 3: You do it.
Speaker 1: But he was cool about it.
Speaker 6: He was just like him a good day, I believe.
Speaker 6: So I wasn't expecting that because this was my first
Speaker 6: time really in La So I'm like dang what people
Speaker 6: are really around When you came to the steps, I'm like, yo,
Speaker 6: this is nuts.
Speaker 5: And that was that. Yeah, what did we work?
Speaker 1: What was the song? What's that song? Hustle Hard?
Speaker 5: So hard?
Speaker 1: That one?
Speaker 5: Uh man, we did like four of them.
Speaker 1: I got him somewhere too. I got those right, you
Speaker 1: got full of those up, I got right. I know
Speaker 1: hustle Hard was one of them. He was absolutely one
Speaker 1: of them. Yeah, yeah, but.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I was excited. I was there, man, that was
Speaker 6: my whole thing. Like I'm working with my idol.
Speaker 3: So and so at this point you're still living in Detroit,
Speaker 3: but you just flew into the sessions.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: True, what is what? What came with those sessions in
Speaker 3: terms of like the ones with you with the labels,
Speaker 3: like your Journey recording those records.
Speaker 6: Nothing happened with those records. Something should have happened with
Speaker 6: those records. But I think people wanted to take me
Speaker 6: in a different direction. And so yeah, that was that
Speaker 6: asked me to deal ended, though I feel like we
Speaker 6: had to write music during that time.
Speaker 5: It would have been a little more sustainable.
Speaker 1: So that deal ended too, unfortunately. Okay, Yeah, yeah, sounds
Speaker 1: like me. I went from deal to deal man, like
Speaker 1: we're done over here.
Speaker 5: Yes, it was a rough one.
Speaker 3: So what's the next So what is the next deal?
Speaker 3: How do you get to the next place? And when
Speaker 3: do you start putting out records? And let's get to
Speaker 3: this top ten space.
Speaker 5: The next deal happened after that. I stopped doing music.
Speaker 5: I was done after after the university university public. Yeah, man,
Speaker 5: depression set in, and it's real, you know, it hits you. Man,
Speaker 5: at some point when you just figure out, okay, is
Speaker 5: this really for me? You psych yourself out.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 5: I was basically at war my ulf at that point.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 6: The deal in this was like where do I go
Speaker 6: from here? You know, because the focal point is music.
Speaker 6: So it's like, if you're not focused on school, you're
Speaker 6: not focused on working what comes next? So I was
Speaker 6: just working a whole bunch of odd jobs after that pretty.
Speaker 1: Much for how long? For a minute?
Speaker 5: For years, years, funeral homes, all sorts.
Speaker 3: Of stuff, the funeral home, like like with the bodies,
Speaker 3: like in bombing the bodies.
Speaker 6: No, but I was like an apprentice in a sense,
Speaker 6: so I was there doing the process and everything.
Speaker 5: So you like Brown pe Valley, I've never seen pe Valley.
Speaker 5: I heard this story.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what do it do? Is we work?
Speaker 3: He like?
Speaker 1: He like we working at Yeah?
Speaker 5: Man, I was just trying to make ends meet man
Speaker 5: at the funeral home.
Speaker 3: And here's and here's there's a question going back to
Speaker 3: the you know, the real conversations. What are the people
Speaker 3: at homes sang that know you can sing that know
Speaker 3: you've had these stills.
Speaker 6: And I mean I've heard stories no one really saying
Speaker 6: thing to me. But you know how it goes like,
Speaker 6: oh he fell off. You know, it's overform. He had
Speaker 6: a few records, same stuff we all probably heard before,
Speaker 6: you know. But again, man, it takes a toll on you,
Speaker 6: you know, once you realize like, I'm not where I
Speaker 6: want to be, you know. And so I mean I
Speaker 6: would assume that's how some of the stories went, people
Speaker 6: just talking crap about you.
Speaker 1: But that's how it goes, you know, And what gets
Speaker 1: you back into it the love for music. Man.
Speaker 6: You know, my manager hit me up and I was like, man,
Speaker 6: you want to get back at it. I was like, nah,
Speaker 6: I'm cool because you It's like is it gonna happen right?
Speaker 6: You know, based on those previous exper previous experiences, so I'm.
Speaker 1: Like, am I'm straight.
Speaker 5: He was like, man, let's just give another try. I'm like, nah,
Speaker 5: I'm cool.
Speaker 6: Go to New York, quught a few records, and I
Speaker 6: had a top ten record within like the next five
Speaker 6: to six months really after recording it. Yeah, who did
Speaker 6: that record?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 5: That's a good question. Good but I just record.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 6: I don't know who wrote it. Someone else wrote it.
Speaker 6: I sang it, and then uh yeah, he.
Speaker 1: Just put it out.
Speaker 6: Richard started doing this work in his magic Sunrod sunset.
Speaker 1: And this is after how many years.
Speaker 5: Off, twelve to fourteen.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so performing.
Speaker 6: Everything, I was just like, yo, I can't do this,
Speaker 6: do none of it. Nothing, nothing, just worked.
Speaker 5: Just worked.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Man, I was depressed. Man, it was tough. When I
Speaker 6: say tough, it was tough. So by the grace of.
Speaker 5: God, man, I just.
Speaker 1: Got that.
Speaker 5: He brought me back to it. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So that top five breathed the different life thing to
Speaker 3: you though. It did.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 6: But then of course there's you still has the tennis
Speaker 6: like we're doing it independently, which by the way, is
Speaker 6: a great thing, you know, but still, you know, I
Speaker 6: still have these you know, these preconceived notions like will
Speaker 6: it happened?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 6: But then after that we had another one, and then
Speaker 6: another one, and then another one, then another one, and
Speaker 6: then I had one with my bro so five top.
Speaker 1: Ten records, name them name the top ten red So.
Speaker 5: Sunrise Sunset was the first. Give It to You was
Speaker 5: the second.
Speaker 6: Vibe.
Speaker 5: No Moon was the third, Vibe was the fourth, Don't rush?
Speaker 1: What's the fifth? So far?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I get a little excited. So I missed, you know,
Speaker 6: I'm miss calculated. Don't judge met.
Speaker 1: With it was.
Speaker 3: It's funny because I think we've all I've never taken
Speaker 3: a fourteen year off, but I was. I was at
Speaker 3: five you know what I'm saying, where I have to
Speaker 3: try and figure it out straight because it was like yeah,
Speaker 3: and I was at the point where I didn't even
Speaker 3: want to go to seven yep, wow, Yeah, I didn't
Speaker 3: want to give nobody no music. But I was like,
Speaker 3: what else am I going to do?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 3: I've gotten fired from every job I had. I'm no
Speaker 3: good at nine to five? Yeah, man, am I gonna
Speaker 3: train people? Like? What am I to do? You know
Speaker 3: what I'm saying? And then I go into this space
Speaker 3: to where you know, you know, I'm working with Fox,
Speaker 3: and then you know, I meet the underdogs and then
Speaker 3: meet Jay and then we just you know, the music
Speaker 3: just starts flowing in that way. And finally I wasn't
Speaker 3: the person that got me back into being an artist. Wow,
Speaker 3: Harvey looked at me and say, hey, man, we should
Speaker 3: do a tank album. I was like, why don't we
Speaker 3: do that. Let's just do a tank Let's do some
Speaker 3: thank song.
Speaker 5: Your focal point, which is writing at that prod that's
Speaker 5: all I had.
Speaker 3: Label, label wouldn't wouldn't blink at me, insane, you know
Speaker 3: what I'm saying. And so you know, an album like sex,
Speaker 3: Love and Pain comes from pain, from really all the
Speaker 3: pain I was going exactly during that time.
Speaker 1: But also freedom also freedom too.
Speaker 2: Though because you, like you said, you worked, Yeah, you
Speaker 2: stayed working right, you found another space, which is tough
Speaker 2: for a lot of artists as well, to say, especially
Speaker 2: someone who's had success as an artist first to say,
Speaker 2: you know what, I'm all these great songs I'm writing,
Speaker 2: I'm going to give them away. I'm gonna give all
Speaker 2: my babies away to everyone else, and then I'm going
Speaker 2: to watch, you know. I remember going to the Millennium tour,
Speaker 2: seeing multiple songs that I wrote crazy, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. I'm sorry, I call it the millennium to
Speaker 2: it now, Yes, scream to it. Seeing multiple songs that
Speaker 2: I've written being performed by someone else?
Speaker 5: So what did that do to you? I?
Speaker 2: For me, you know, I enjoyed it because I was
Speaker 2: I was never a uh, I was never.
Speaker 1: A artist who looked at it from the space of.
Speaker 2: These are just my songs and I can't don't touch
Speaker 2: my I never looked at it like that. I never
Speaker 2: had that that mindset so for me, but I had
Speaker 2: also not had my own records at that point, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean That that we're that were moving
Speaker 2: and I, you know, he had already seen the world
Speaker 2: and been performing these records everywhere. For me, yeah, I
Speaker 2: had deals and I you know, I was working on
Speaker 2: different stuff, but it wasn't like I knew that they
Speaker 2: would scream different if I sang them got.
Speaker 1: So I just I just embraced it.
Speaker 2: But I'm like, damn, this is crazy, Like these people
Speaker 2: fuck with right, I wrote about some situations, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, It's.
Speaker 1: It's crazy, man, so I think.
Speaker 2: But but having the freedom of being able to like
Speaker 2: you said do it without distress because at that point,
Speaker 2: during that point, we was having such a good time
Speaker 2: at the dogs. Yeah, I mean we was having a
Speaker 2: ball at the underdogs. It was really I didn't even
Speaker 2: have a lot of money either, but it's a good time.
Speaker 1: I was having a good.
Speaker 5: Time, which made things.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it just was. It was fun and
Speaker 3: like back to but it was there was no the rest,
Speaker 3: there was no pressure. We had enough for White teas.
Speaker 3: We had White teas and Air Force one. I don't
Speaker 3: know where they was getting these Air Force ones from,
Speaker 3: but they were coming boxes off the boat, y'all. And
Speaker 3: we had we called the Marshmountains.
Speaker 2: We had a cack to You gotta imagine it's ten
Speaker 2: at least ten guys up there that are just working
Speaker 2: were we were a full machine. We were a full machine.
Speaker 2: And it's this is what we're doing every day. So
Speaker 2: like we had the people that would bring us to
Speaker 2: white teas and they would bring them in fifties. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they would bring White teas in fifties in a bundle
Speaker 2: of fifty, and then you would bring Air Force ones
Speaker 2: in a.
Speaker 3: Bundle of twenty or third.
Speaker 2: Everybody come get they want or two pairs that week
Speaker 2: or whatever.
Speaker 1: Did you have to pay for them?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was, but it was just it was delivered.
Speaker 1: It was delivered its place bro like like the Edmonds
Speaker 1: Building legendary, man legendary. It was legendary.
Speaker 3: It was.
Speaker 2: It was a good time and you know, people were
Speaker 2: just being able to be creative and you know, ultimately
Speaker 2: either get themselves back, keep that ship going, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, like come through there like whatever it was,
Speaker 2: it was, you know, it was just a it was
Speaker 2: a great moment in time. It's a great moment in time.
Speaker 2: And look at you on the still yeah.
Speaker 1: Still, but have a lot of fun, have a lot
Speaker 1: of fun. Yeah, ultimately have a lot of fun.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, Like we get to uh,
Speaker 3: we get to now create moments. We're cultivating a really
Speaker 3: cool moment with this right you know, run into you
Speaker 3: my brother and say we need to do something. We
Speaker 3: need to create a moment.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: Taking a record that was for me, I'm.
Speaker 5: Like, oh yeah, I'm still surprised at that this.
Speaker 1: Will work perfect for John Brown. I like that record
Speaker 1: a lot.
Speaker 5: I know you did. I was like giving me this
Speaker 5: when Travis sent it to me, I was like he
Speaker 5: played it for me.
Speaker 3: He was like, you know, I know you're still working
Speaker 3: at just want to play because you know Travis is
Speaker 3: real modest, play something. You know, it's just a vibe.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you feel if you're gonna be
Speaker 1: on it like that, but you're gonna play for your player.
Speaker 3: You played, I was like, I was like, I was like,
Speaker 3: it's something in there. I was like, the vibe is crazy.
Speaker 3: All you have every melody we need in the song.
Speaker 3: It's just changing the structure just a little bit. I said, yeah,
Speaker 3: I need this, and then I was like, no, I don't.
Speaker 3: John Brown needs this. Wow, John Brown needs this. I
Speaker 3: called you straighter, I said, we got one.
Speaker 5: Yeah, pretty much verybatim based on what you just said.
Speaker 3: We got one and just you know, seeing you and
Speaker 3: more walk in the building and like it was like
Speaker 3: for you if for you, it was like when mom was.
Speaker 1: Like, Okay, this is really happening.
Speaker 3: We're really gonna do this, and it felt like maybe
Speaker 3: a bunch of people said they were going to do
Speaker 3: some things. So maybe a bunch of people said some
Speaker 3: things were gonna happen and we were able to actually
Speaker 3: come through for you.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So shout out to you. Man, let's moment.
Speaker 1: Did you clap for yourself depend as well?
Speaker 5: For the moment?
Speaker 3: I'm happy we were able to come through through for that.
Speaker 3: It's crazy we shooting that video and I got sick
Speaker 3: on that video.
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, it was it was gone.
Speaker 3: I had food poisoning for the next days.
Speaker 1: That's nuts.
Speaker 3: I was. I lost thirteen pounds in like four.
Speaker 5: Days and still managed to record it or feel it rather.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think we got enough, but I was
Speaker 1: that was a lots.
Speaker 5: I was considering how you were feeling than you.
Speaker 3: Brother.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 3: It's gotta be there for my brother.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So what is after your fifth top ten? What is
Speaker 3: your movement now? What? And how do you feel now
Speaker 3: coming from all of these deals that you've been through,
Speaker 3: coming from a twelve thirteen, fourteen year layoff, coming back
Speaker 3: to now starting to you know, really pick up some
Speaker 3: momentum in the space that you've always wanted to be in.
Speaker 5: The move now is to keep going.
Speaker 6: You know, we got my new album out, Chapter in
Speaker 6: Versus doing pretty well, so shouts out to my team,
Speaker 6: you know SRG, you know version, you know we're making
Speaker 6: some traction. You know, we just dropped the deluxe version,
Speaker 6: so it's been doing pretty well. Now we're working on
Speaker 6: a new album, so it's just putting out music, man,
Speaker 6: But prepare for a new single.
Speaker 2: So do you continue to try to keep things in
Speaker 2: the market, like, because you're working from an independent.
Speaker 1: Sense basically, right, So obviously you're not waiting on you know,
Speaker 1: release schedules and that whole.
Speaker 2: Thing, are you or do you have like for you like, Okay,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna put something out every six months? I got
Speaker 2: you know this content this like give us a breakdown
Speaker 2: of how your business works of.
Speaker 6: So, I mean I would say like every six months,
Speaker 6: you know, because it takes six months for a record.
Speaker 1: Well, I guess it depends on the life one for sure.
Speaker 3: I mean we could say say six months and give
Speaker 3: you something.
Speaker 6: I would say every six months is constantly putting stuff
Speaker 6: out because consistently is the key.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 5: So I think at this point, considering we've had the success,
Speaker 5: the only way to do it now is to keep moving.
Speaker 5: So we're just putting our music.
Speaker 3: Man, how's your road life?
Speaker 1: It's looking good?
Speaker 6: You know, it's there, not all the way there, but
Speaker 6: it's there. You know, I'm happy, you know, it's it's
Speaker 6: it's definitely a it's a process, man, I say that,
Speaker 6: you know, but in terms of road life in general,
Speaker 6: doing this thing, and.
Speaker 3: How do you how do you feel like the fans
Speaker 3: are responding to the music? You know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Like when you sing your top five, your top ten songs,
Speaker 3: do you see the do you see the excitement? Do
Speaker 3: you see the word for word?
Speaker 1: And I do?
Speaker 3: I you can hear the mic out there and let
Speaker 3: them do the rest. How does how does don't Rush feel?
Speaker 3: That's a good question because I haven't been out there
Speaker 3: for don't Rush.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, that's the one. So it's a great feeling.
Speaker 6: And I tell you that now that you can really
Speaker 6: I think don't rush. No, I know, don't rush. It's
Speaker 6: like that defining record and considering you on the record
Speaker 6: with me. So like now when I perform people singing
Speaker 6: it with me, it's.
Speaker 1: Just like do you sing his part? I stay away
Speaker 1: from it. Hey man, it's your song.
Speaker 3: Man, you know what.
Speaker 6: I just did a show on Buffalo and I attempted it.
Speaker 6: I mean, I'm not gonna say at tempted it.
Speaker 1: I did it.
Speaker 5: But sometimes you get in your own head. But I
Speaker 5: made it work. Man, it didn't work or I just
Speaker 5: get a mic to the audience and they just sing it.
Speaker 3: So who's going to show you? You did it?
Speaker 1: In Buffalo?
Speaker 6: This young lady named Mayvies. She's a dope artist. She's
Speaker 6: from like North Carolina. She's really dope, so shouts out
Speaker 6: to Maybe she's pretty dope. But it was just her
Speaker 6: and I basically some guy named Dudley, old school calf
Speaker 6: from LA but dope.
Speaker 5: So show I mean, no, it was my I was
Speaker 5: like the headliner.
Speaker 1: But yeah, headline, say a headline, you.
Speaker 5: Know, shout out the Buffalo.
Speaker 3: Because here's the thing, right, you know, I think success, right,
Speaker 3: it can be defined differently for for anybody that you
Speaker 3: asked this question. But the fact that you are doing
Speaker 3: what you love to do again and that you are
Speaker 3: finally having some some real success with it, you know,
Speaker 3: that's defining, you know what I mean. And as you
Speaker 3: as you fight for more, as you push for more,
Speaker 3: to continue to go higher and continue to grow, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean, like really really realize and and
Speaker 3: and understand where you've come from, how far you've come,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, and and embrace it and
Speaker 3: enjoy it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's stand on it. Yeah, you're right.
Speaker 3: You went from from a fourteen year layoff to five
Speaker 3: top tens.
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you feel like you can look at it
Speaker 1: and say this is my career?
Speaker 3: Now? Have you had that?
Speaker 5: With all the great questions? Man, that's a really tough one.
Speaker 1: Good.
Speaker 5: It's funny you mentioned that because I thought about that yesterday.
Speaker 2: I don't only look like a my rash right right?
Speaker 1: Who do I look like?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 7: From fucking that's funny?
Speaker 1: Seriously.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I say no, I can officially say it's
Speaker 6: a career. Yeah, I've arrived in a sense. Yeah, since
Speaker 6: But I can say it's a career now, you know, because.
Speaker 1: People get caught up in.
Speaker 2: Thinking it has to be a certain thing other than
Speaker 2: this is something that I love to do, takes care
Speaker 2: of me, takes care of my family. I get up
Speaker 2: and do it, and I can go find a gig
Speaker 2: and I can go perform and you know, I mean,
Speaker 2: I got records on the radio and you know what
Speaker 2: I mean.
Speaker 1: So that's why I asked.
Speaker 5: No, that's a great question.
Speaker 6: No, I can, like I said, I talked about this
Speaker 6: the other day to a few friends, and I'm like, man,
Speaker 6: I honestly can say that it's a career.
Speaker 5: Now you have a career music that record, don't rutch,
Speaker 5: I think that really.
Speaker 1: Made it pretty much.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so thank you manap again.
Speaker 3: No, no, we gotta get on stage, you know, you
Speaker 3: gotta be somewhere, and then I just gotta when you
Speaker 3: when's your next show?
Speaker 5: My next show? New Year's Eve?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's not gonna work.
Speaker 5: That would have been dope. He's like, no, I'm already
Speaker 5: locked down enough.
Speaker 3: I got a gig, man, stay working. No, I got it.
Speaker 3: And New Year's Day is my birth me and my
Speaker 3: son's birthday.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh wow. So you know we always find ourselves
Speaker 1: somewhere tropical. That's funny.
Speaker 5: Which one for your birthday? Which want your birthday?
Speaker 2: More?
Speaker 1: More?
Speaker 5: More more beanies, that's what I want.
Speaker 3: Give me some different colors that.
Speaker 5: Multi pack.
Speaker 3: On the side, multi pack. Here's the funniest question. Here's
Speaker 3: the funniest thing. So on on the plane on this
Speaker 3: plane headed to Paris, when the kids went to Paris,
Speaker 3: it was my plan, don't and and this young lady,
Speaker 3: this little girl shout out to my guy Albie is
Speaker 3: his daughter, right, And she has to be, you know,
Speaker 3: one of them little kids that just just is a star.
Speaker 3: And she's not even trying. She's smart, eloquent, uh, beautiful everything.
Speaker 3: She has all the tools. And she's looking at me
Speaker 3: and she's like, I've seen you wear that beanie a lot.
Speaker 3: She's observing, No, no, fully observed.
Speaker 1: She's like, do you like beanies? Yeah?
Speaker 3: I think, she said, Wow, you have any other colors?
Speaker 3: I said no. She's subliminally like, she's like, I mean,
Speaker 3: since you like them a lot, you should probably get a.
Speaker 1: Lot of colors.
Speaker 3: I could see you in like a blue, white, maybe
Speaker 3: a green. What do you think, like what I'm enjoying
Speaker 3: the black beanie.
Speaker 2: I have out here with a white bean like part
Speaker 2: of snow patrol boy said, I said, listening from a
Speaker 2: town where we just we wear dark colors, keeping you know,
Speaker 2: the grays black.
Speaker 3: You know, we stay around.
Speaker 1: From the town.
Speaker 3: She's like, you should do that.
Speaker 1: You should get more beanies.
Speaker 3: I like the beanies on you, And so for the
Speaker 3: rest of the trip, she said, hey, beanie. I think
Speaker 3: one time we got on the bus somewhere said still
Speaker 3: rocking the beanies.
Speaker 5: I was like, that's she sounds funy.
Speaker 3: Maybe I want some beanies for my birthday. All right,
Speaker 3: where'd you listen? Let me know where you're gonna be
Speaker 3: after that and I'm gonna pull up.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 1: I'm holding you to that.
Speaker 5: I believe you know, you know if you said you're
Speaker 5: gonna do it.
Speaker 3: I can't wait to pull up, man, walk out there
Speaker 3: on that stage. I will now, I'm still you can't
Speaker 3: manage my turn up man and his show?
Speaker 5: What you mean?
Speaker 1: I was asking? Go ahead?
Speaker 3: Do you do push ups in between? Man?
Speaker 1: Man?
Speaker 5: That what they call it?
Speaker 1: In and out? It's it's still calling different. It's a
Speaker 1: tough one.
Speaker 5: It's a journey. It's a journey, man, it's a journey.
Speaker 3: All right. Listen, man, I want to get into your
Speaker 3: R and B mind. Oh yeah, we'll get into your
Speaker 3: R and B mind. You know you sing the R
Speaker 3: and B. You got you got to try to records
Speaker 3: in the R and B. But do you really know
Speaker 3: R and b?
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 3: Let's get into this top five segment. Oh, there'll be
Speaker 3: theme music soon, So.
Speaker 1: I figured I was waiting. I was waiting for it.
Speaker 3: Is that the same Music's got a lot of porn
Speaker 3: on it, a lot of Ron Jeremy on that shout
Speaker 3: out to Pinky.
Speaker 1: I grew up on Pinky. Pinky was Vanessa Dale real
Speaker 1: amount of time.
Speaker 3: Wasn't that a time obsession? Anybody want to talk too far?
Speaker 3: We're getting in the top five? Is my brother? Who's
Speaker 3: your top five R and B artists?
Speaker 1: All right?
Speaker 6: Before I say this, don't take no offense to it.
Speaker 6: You mean to the viewers you're five top no specific order.
Speaker 3: Though, right the order your world?
Speaker 1: The top five.
Speaker 5: Teddy Pendergrass.
Speaker 6: Strong, Oh sure you got to do that? Genuine the
Speaker 6: wine my guy r Kelly? Yes, it are we four
Speaker 6: right now?
Speaker 3: Four? Four?
Speaker 1: Tank and tank round it out? It's tank. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: helpfulest helpless.
Speaker 5: I mean that's my five.
Speaker 3: You had the beanies on from.
Speaker 5: The multi pack multi is gonna fit.
Speaker 1: Like on side bad word?
Speaker 5: Roll up after the second man?
Speaker 3: All right?
Speaker 1: Top five R and B songs? Oh dang.
Speaker 5: Does the matter of the year?
Speaker 1: No? Top five?
Speaker 5: All right?
Speaker 6: Uh b BC? All right bye? Is that before six
Speaker 6: A twelve? In my opinion? Six A twelve by Brianny Knight.
Speaker 6: Oh wow, that's one of my favorite records. Uh guy,
Speaker 6: why am I forgetting the name of It's gonna help
Speaker 6: me out?
Speaker 1: Slow, let's chill, let's chill. Love that monster record. Maybe
Speaker 1: I deserve mm hmm records.
Speaker 5: Okay, right, one who sings that.
Speaker 3: Start treating different?
Speaker 5: Nope, Nope, I don't want to say that one.
Speaker 3: You can if you want to.
Speaker 1: Your body's calling me R Kelly. Great record, great record.
Speaker 1: Did already say R Kelly before he did? Type of artists?
Speaker 1: I'm bad, you're good?
Speaker 5: What that song is?
Speaker 1: Just dope? Yeah, h sweet lady.
Speaker 2: Great R and B record, Great R and B record
Speaker 2: written by a young man, young man fifteen sixteen, a
Speaker 2: young man who John also was a kid when he
Speaker 2: was like fifteen that record. Yeah, he was a kid
Speaker 2: kid when he about that record.
Speaker 3: All right, that's he's a monster monsters monster song.
Speaker 1: That's nuts. I never knew that.
Speaker 5: And no offense, but I mean obviously I know, but
Speaker 5: I'm just saying I didn't.
Speaker 1: Know that you got joints.
Speaker 3: He'll surprise you crazy, he's surprised neo versus mm hmm.
Speaker 1: He was like, you did that.
Speaker 5: That's nuts. Just drank his wine, right, humble, Yeah I
Speaker 5: did that? Yeah, all right, Okay, we're not done. They're
Speaker 5: gonna put together RM both trying mm hmm.
Speaker 1: Right, and.
Speaker 3: Who are you going to get the vocals from performing style,
Speaker 3: styling and passion of the artists who are you going
Speaker 3: to get the vocals to build your RMB.
Speaker 1: Artists one artist, one artist, thank you.
Speaker 5: Whatever happens, gonna say this, I'm gonna keep it on
Speaker 5: with you, like so you're gonna learn to respect them.
Speaker 6: So so I'm not just saying that because I'm on
Speaker 6: their podcast.
Speaker 5: I'm just being brutally hones.
Speaker 1: That's just his podcast. On that side, I ain't saying.
Speaker 6: We're gonna we're gonna do a merger right now, but
Speaker 6: but vocally, I feel like you would definitely know where
Speaker 6: to go.
Speaker 1: So I've been trying to get some respector Ryan for long.
Speaker 6: I know I could get some better snaps, some cheesus
Speaker 6: ain't really.
Speaker 3: Who are you? Who are you getting the performance style from?
Speaker 1: Bobby Brown?
Speaker 5: If you could do that, boy, boy boy, they're lucky.
Speaker 3: I can't do with Bobby Brown.
Speaker 5: Bobby is crazy?
Speaker 3: You kidding me?
Speaker 1: Okay, thank Bobby?
Speaker 3: Who you who you're getting the styling from? What do
Speaker 3: you want the artists to look like?
Speaker 1: That's a good question.
Speaker 3: When you look on stage, we'll be having that ship.
Speaker 5: A lot of people can dress man. That's a tough one.
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm.
Speaker 5: Keep sweat yeah, yeah, I mean sweat crazy or yeah, sweat.
Speaker 3: Sweat is the gentleman on stage.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know I'm gonna lift I'm gonna lift my foot, baby,
Speaker 2: so I can see these red.
Speaker 1: You know, you see it. You know you know once
Speaker 1: I kicked Miami, it's time.
Speaker 3: I'm changing three times. I know I'm the only changed twice.
Speaker 3: They know I got it on me right. And then
Speaker 3: who You're getting the passion from the heart of the artists.
Speaker 5: Jeller Bert Mmmm yeah, one of my favorite performers and singers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, little verb. He didn't miss no the god. No,
Speaker 1: he didn't miss crazy. He did miss Yeah, he didn't
Speaker 1: miss m hm.
Speaker 3: He got the same reaction with his clothes on, better
Speaker 3: reaction with his clothes on. My clothes off.
Speaker 5: He's crazy, He's crazy.
Speaker 1: Usually you got man, he's just a guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, facts, it's a guy that's a great volt run
Speaker 2: and it's pops oh man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's over.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: His dad is yeah, insane Eddie Eddie.
Speaker 2: So we got another segment, another, another very very very
Speaker 2: important segment.
Speaker 1: It's called I Ain't saying no names. You know what
Speaker 1: I mean?
Speaker 2: And you've experienced this business, are you know? Are the
Speaker 2: streets of Detroit either.
Speaker 5: One potentially get me I don't know, brother, I don't
Speaker 5: know stuff.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
Speaker 2: You tell your story how you won't tell your story?
Speaker 2: All right, it's called I ain't saying no names. And
Speaker 2: the story can be either funny or fucked up or
Speaker 2: funny and fucked up. The only rule is you can't
Speaker 2: say the names of the people in the story that
Speaker 2: maybe did the ship to you?
Speaker 3: Are you know?
Speaker 1: For you whatever? Mm hm, no name. The other participants
Speaker 1: cannot be named. M hm.
Speaker 2: So this right here is John Brown's I ain't saying no.
Speaker 1: Names one person.
Speaker 6: But in the industry, your world, do what you do,
Speaker 6: all right, no rules, I ain't saying no names. Start
Speaker 6: off like that. I wasn't the one who slept with
Speaker 6: your girlfriend, flat out, that's it.
Speaker 5: I was the one slept with your girlfriend after that show.
Speaker 1: Yeah, now we.
Speaker 5: All know who did, but you know I wasn't the one.
Speaker 2: Good.
Speaker 1: That's actually pretty good.
Speaker 3: It wasn't the story.
Speaker 5: It wasn't me.
Speaker 3: It wasn't me.
Speaker 5: It was not me. No, if you're watching, they definitely
Speaker 5: wasn't me.
Speaker 1: It wasn't me.
Speaker 5: You think it's me, he still do, And it wasn't me.
Speaker 5: You asked, was it you?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 6: No, no, I've never been that type of dude. Okay,
Speaker 6: we know who did it though we know you know.
Speaker 1: I don't know what you're talking about it. I wasn't
Speaker 1: on that to it.
Speaker 5: But no, that was that that Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we'll look here man. And of course you
Speaker 3: are brother man, you know you, you your family, you know.
Speaker 3: Having you here goes without saying, there's more for you, man,
Speaker 3: thank you. It's more. It's more for you to do
Speaker 3: and really aggressively get to it. Yeah, don't let don't
Speaker 3: let these moments pass you by without taking advantage of
Speaker 3: every single part of it and inserting yourself if no
Speaker 3: one is willing to insert you into whatever conversation or position,
Speaker 3: that that is aggressively. Because now the conversation it's different,
Speaker 3: and it's not you know, it's not what I think
Speaker 3: I can do it. It's motherfucker let me I can
Speaker 3: do it. I'm doing it exactly. Your hand has to
Speaker 3: be raised different. Yeah, your conversation gotta feel different. You're nice,
Speaker 3: You're a nice You're a nice guy. You nice, humble
Speaker 3: nick and you got five top ten records. Yep, last
Speaker 3: time to act like it.
Speaker 6: My god, take what yours, my brother, My god, I'm
Speaker 6: gonna take it, man, I believe it.
Speaker 1: I'm ready.
Speaker 3: Be sure.
Speaker 5: I'm positive.
Speaker 1: I'm here. You have me here, y'all, I have me here.
Speaker 1: I'm here. There is we want to see that you gentlemen.
Speaker 3: My name is Sake, I'm Jay Valentine and this is
Speaker 3: the R and B Money Podcast, the authority on all
Speaker 3: things R and B.
Speaker 1: The This thing is about a journey, and just when
Speaker 1: you think the journey is over.
Speaker 3: You can start all over again. It'd be top ten,
Speaker 3: plady and gentlemen, thanks to John Yes.
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