WEBVTT - John Brown 0:00:01.960 --> 0:00:04.960 R and b's money. 0:00:05.559 --> 0:00:06.120 We are. 0:00:07.680 --> 0:00:10.360 Thank you, take valotility. 0:00:11.080 --> 0:00:15.960 We are the authority on all things R and B. 0:00:18.000 --> 0:00:19.239 Ladies and gentlemen, what's going on. 0:00:19.239 --> 0:00:25.439 My name is Tanks and this this this, This is 0:00:25.480 --> 0:00:31.600 the R BE Money Podcast, the authority on all things 0:00:31.960 --> 0:00:32.400 R and B. 0:00:32.760 --> 0:00:33.360 Straight up. 0:00:33.680 --> 0:00:38.320 And sometimes you know, it's not just a guess, it's 0:00:38.360 --> 0:00:43.279 not just an artist. Sometimes it's just family along with 0:00:43.320 --> 0:00:47.240 all of those other things, you know. Top tens, a 0:00:47.360 --> 0:00:50.680 few albums, a bunch of shows here and there from Detroit, 0:00:50.960 --> 0:00:54.080 but R and B through and through, make some noise 0:00:54.080 --> 0:00:55.480 with my brother, mister. 0:00:55.240 --> 0:00:57.920 John bro Yes, sir, thank you, thank you, thank you. 0:00:58.640 --> 0:01:04.680 Appreciate that shaded fellers chilling, chilling. 0:01:04.840 --> 0:01:09.240 Yeah, come on man, listen man, we are happy to 0:01:09.280 --> 0:01:10.240 have your home, my brother. 0:01:10.360 --> 0:01:10.640 Thank you. 0:01:11.480 --> 0:01:13.240 You're like a little brother of me. You know what 0:01:13.240 --> 0:01:13.600 I'm saying. 0:01:13.680 --> 0:01:14.319 Thank you, man. 0:01:14.720 --> 0:01:24.480 And it's crazy, like like running back into you in Dallas, yep, 0:01:24.800 --> 0:01:28.760 because we hadn't seen each other in fourteen years. I'd 0:01:28.760 --> 0:01:32.360 have been fourteen, fourteen fourteen. 0:01:32.000 --> 0:01:36.880 Since the session we had done fourteen yeah, Lee, And 0:01:37.000 --> 0:01:39.840 when I saw you it was a meeting. I was like, 0:01:41.240 --> 0:01:42.640 what are you doing here? What's on there? 0:01:42.959 --> 0:01:46.480 Right, like I'm opening. I was like, no one told 0:01:46.520 --> 0:01:53.440 me this, right right, but I'd always remembered you and 0:01:53.640 --> 0:01:54.040 was like. 0:01:54.480 --> 0:01:56.280 That was my guy, that was my little guy. That 0:01:56.400 --> 0:01:58.400 was we did some work together. 0:01:58.560 --> 0:02:03.360 We did, and then sitting down in that room and 0:02:03.400 --> 0:02:07.920 having a conversation with you, you know, just about how 0:02:07.960 --> 0:02:12.040 you felt about where you were and and what you 0:02:12.120 --> 0:02:17.960 needed moving forward. And from that point on, you know, 0:02:18.120 --> 0:02:20.880 my vow to you was, hey, man, whatever you need, 0:02:22.000 --> 0:02:25.480 I got you straight up. And the first thing we're 0:02:25.480 --> 0:02:29.120 gonna do, We're gonna get you a record. Yep, we 0:02:29.160 --> 0:02:30.840 went and damn it got you and got you. 0:02:31.000 --> 0:02:38.520 I mean. 0:02:36.320 --> 0:02:36.799 Definitely. 0:02:37.520 --> 0:02:41.720 But listen, man, let's get into the you know, Army 0:02:41.720 --> 0:02:45.800 Money podcast is about getting into the history of of 0:02:45.840 --> 0:02:48.600 a of a of a guy, of a gal and 0:02:48.760 --> 0:02:50.720 understanding where it all comes from. 0:02:51.240 --> 0:02:54.880 Right you can say, oh thanks man. 0:02:54.919 --> 0:02:58.520 That's that's the one thing you can say. 0:02:58.560 --> 0:03:01.560 Look right now, we got some dynamic singers, right, yeah, 0:03:02.000 --> 0:03:03.400 come on, you got to bring when you're. 0:03:03.600 --> 0:03:04.160 You can sing. 0:03:04.280 --> 0:03:07.399 And I want to get into the history of kind 0:03:07.400 --> 0:03:09.000 of where it all started for you, and not just 0:03:09.040 --> 0:03:12.520 from a business standpoint, but even just developing and honing 0:03:12.560 --> 0:03:15.079 your craft, Like where did that start for you and 0:03:15.120 --> 0:03:18.200 when did somebody say you got something or when did 0:03:18.200 --> 0:03:19.400 you feel like you had something? 0:03:19.919 --> 0:03:22.760 It started my dad's church in Detroit, so rest in 0:03:22.760 --> 0:03:26.560 Peace with my father, Pastor Brown started there was playing 0:03:26.600 --> 0:03:30.280 an organ, doing some of everything, and then from there 0:03:30.280 --> 0:03:33.120 progressing to talent shows, you know, just the same stuff 0:03:33.120 --> 0:03:34.119 we all pretty much did. 0:03:35.200 --> 0:03:37.040 And then from there I think, like I got to 0:03:37.080 --> 0:03:41.120 deal with Universe Republic. That's when we first cat moving fast. 0:03:41.520 --> 0:03:43.960 How did you? How did you get a deal with 0:03:44.240 --> 0:03:48.240 Universal Republic? And did somebody say, hey, man, you need 0:03:48.280 --> 0:03:51.040 to come see this guy that's singing and all these 0:03:51.080 --> 0:03:52.240 talent shows in Detroit? 0:03:52.480 --> 0:03:53.960 All right? See me that? All right? 0:03:54.040 --> 0:03:56.080 So how I got to deal with Universal? There was 0:03:56.120 --> 0:03:58.120 a guy in Detroit who heard me sing foind me 0:03:58.200 --> 0:03:59.640 on my Space and he's like, man, I know a 0:03:59.640 --> 0:04:02.320 guy who's in a radio business. He can get you. 0:04:02.720 --> 0:04:04.600 I was like, man, whatever, man, this is Detroit. Cat 0:04:04.640 --> 0:04:07.240 talking no offense to Detroit. I love Detroit, but you 0:04:07.280 --> 0:04:09.880 know people talk, you. 0:04:09.800 --> 0:04:10.360 Can talk about it. 0:04:10.400 --> 0:04:11.920 So I'm like, man, you know he playing. 0:04:12.680 --> 0:04:15.360 Maybe two months later he introduced me to my manager, 0:04:15.440 --> 0:04:17.880 Maurice Harley, and so from there he was like, man, 0:04:17.880 --> 0:04:19.680 I'm a radio guy, and you know, I want to 0:04:19.839 --> 0:04:22.440 try to help you out put a few songs out. 0:04:22.560 --> 0:04:25.240 Then boom, it just started to grow. 0:04:25.400 --> 0:04:28.000 And that was it, and they just called you. 0:04:28.040 --> 0:04:30.480 They just called me, like, well, four labels called me, 0:04:30.600 --> 0:04:33.279 but then Universal I decided to go with them. 0:04:33.360 --> 0:04:36.200 So for for you as a young artist at the time, 0:04:36.880 --> 0:04:40.400 and you just kind of looking at you know, these 0:04:40.440 --> 0:04:42.760 these offers being on the table for you, what makes 0:04:42.800 --> 0:04:46.640 you at that age say this label makes the most 0:04:46.640 --> 0:04:47.160 sense for me. 0:04:49.120 --> 0:04:51.520 That's a good question because I'm gonna say, honestly, I 0:04:51.560 --> 0:04:53.720 can't even say that was really my thought process. I 0:04:53.760 --> 0:04:56.520 think it was more so like I finally have a deal, 0:04:56.640 --> 0:04:58.520 so let me roll with it, you know, versus me 0:04:58.640 --> 0:05:01.159 really strategically figuring now if this was like the right 0:05:01.200 --> 0:05:03.719 thing for me. I was just more so excited that 0:05:04.040 --> 0:05:05.080 somebody wanted to sign me. 0:05:05.160 --> 0:05:07.280 So so they excited you the. 0:05:07.240 --> 0:05:11.440 Most, you know, just in all honesty, brother, because. 0:05:14.839 --> 0:05:17.440 The money, y'all know what time it was more money, 0:05:17.480 --> 0:05:19.839 So I was like, I'm gonna go here. But yeah, 0:05:19.880 --> 0:05:20.680 it was an experience. 0:05:20.920 --> 0:05:24.440 So now, in hindsight, with that situation not working out, 0:05:24.440 --> 0:05:27.159 in would you do would you go to that same 0:05:27.400 --> 0:05:30.320 label over these other three, because it's four altogether. 0:05:31.240 --> 0:05:33.080 When you look at your artistry, are you trying to 0:05:33.080 --> 0:05:35.159 start something? Not even that I'm trying to start something. 0:05:35.800 --> 0:05:36.520 I'm trying to. 0:05:38.360 --> 0:05:41.640 For the for the kids that are watching and them 0:05:41.680 --> 0:05:45.920 having an understanding that every team don't match the player facts. 0:05:46.600 --> 0:05:50.279 Right In in sports, you can't really pick who drafts you. 0:05:51.560 --> 0:05:55.120 In music, you can unless there's only one and you 0:05:55.279 --> 0:05:58.640 just chasing that. But if you have multiple offers, you 0:05:58.920 --> 0:06:04.360 now have the opportunity to say this, an R has 0:06:04.480 --> 0:06:05.960 done such and. 0:06:05.920 --> 0:06:09.160 Such, Maybe that works with what I do. You know what. 0:06:09.600 --> 0:06:11.800 They have no one up there that that does what 0:06:11.880 --> 0:06:14.080 I do, and that can help. But maybe that could 0:06:14.160 --> 0:06:16.680 hurt me because maybe they don't know what to do with. 0:06:16.640 --> 0:06:20.720 Me, and I think artists don't. We don't. We don't stand. 0:06:20.480 --> 0:06:27.039 Back and assess, just say, oh shit, y'all offer me 0:06:27.080 --> 0:06:29.120 two dollars, they offer me two fifty. 0:06:29.440 --> 0:06:30.120 So I'm gonna roll with this. 0:06:30.200 --> 0:06:34.279 I'm go with that extra extra. That's a couple extra 0:06:34.320 --> 0:06:36.839 sandwiches where I'm from, you know what I mean. 0:06:36.920 --> 0:06:39.599 So that's why I asked, because we try to be 0:06:39.640 --> 0:06:43.640 as formed as informative as we possibly can exactly, you know, 0:06:43.720 --> 0:06:47.720 to the listener who either they don't know the music business, 0:06:47.720 --> 0:06:49.320 are they're coming up and they want to be in 0:06:49.320 --> 0:06:51.920 the music business. We want to give that to them 0:06:51.960 --> 0:06:53.920 so they can have an understanding of how to look 0:06:53.960 --> 0:06:56.599 at it, you know, when you're coming in. 0:06:57.920 --> 0:06:58.960 That's that's true. 0:06:59.360 --> 0:07:01.120 I mean yeah, So, I mean when you put it 0:07:01.120 --> 0:07:04.400 that way for the listeners, I think, in hindsight, I 0:07:04.440 --> 0:07:11.160 should have more so just maybe figured out if there 0:07:11.200 --> 0:07:17.680 was better situations out versus rushing into you know what 0:07:18.280 --> 0:07:21.080 I mean, y'all make sure y'all just know what y'all 0:07:21.080 --> 0:07:24.040 getting y'allselves into before y'all get involved in it. Not 0:07:24.120 --> 0:07:25.760 to say that it was a bad deal, but I 0:07:25.800 --> 0:07:27.800 think if I would have just waited a little bit longer, 0:07:28.240 --> 0:07:30.320 it might have been a little bit better. M hm, 0:07:30.840 --> 0:07:33.880 just in any deal, in any deal, you know, Yeah, 0:07:33.920 --> 0:07:35.240 I think that's yeah. 0:07:35.400 --> 0:07:37.400 I think the I think the hunger for the deal 0:07:39.240 --> 0:07:41.640 as an artist, I mean, it's just it's just a 0:07:41.680 --> 0:07:45.400 real thing that's unavoidable because you feel like that is 0:07:45.640 --> 0:07:47.400 the validation that is a stand. 0:07:48.120 --> 0:07:50.960 I'm really I'm really in this ship, you know what 0:07:50.960 --> 0:07:51.280 I'm saying. 0:07:51.280 --> 0:07:54.520 I'm professional now, I got this paperwork, I got this contract. 0:07:54.560 --> 0:07:56.440 You know what I'm saying. It's got it's got terms 0:07:56.440 --> 0:07:58.200 and conditions on it. You know what I'm saying. 0:07:58.400 --> 0:08:00.360 And you know I got to build and I can 0:08:00.400 --> 0:08:02.400 go to where they know my name? 0:08:02.600 --> 0:08:04.760 You think you can go to that too? Do you 0:08:04.760 --> 0:08:07.160 think you can go? Do you think who? Do you 0:08:07.200 --> 0:08:08.120 think they know your name? 0:08:08.240 --> 0:08:11.400 Who? If you call, I just gotta sign here. If 0:08:11.400 --> 0:08:11.880 you call. 0:08:16.800 --> 0:08:19.200 Debbie, is your dad not asked for the chairman? Does 0:08:19.240 --> 0:08:24.280 his name Debbie mean anything? Nab Debbie, Debbie, Debbie Reynolds, 0:08:24.480 --> 0:08:32.360 wieb Wire. So hold on, let's go back at sixteen 0:08:32.960 --> 0:08:34.760 and what age? What age is this? Were you getting 0:08:34.760 --> 0:08:36.559 the universal thing? That was. 0:08:38.160 --> 0:08:40.600 Nineteen? Okay, so lets eighteen. 0:08:40.440 --> 0:08:43.439 Let's go back a little bit. Yeah, fellow, at sixteen, 0:08:45.080 --> 0:08:46.360 aren't you signing the White Cleft? 0:08:46.440 --> 0:08:46.640 Johan? 0:08:46.760 --> 0:08:47.880 Is that? Is that? What happens there? 0:08:47.960 --> 0:08:48.200 Yep? 0:08:48.280 --> 0:08:53.280 Sixteen signed the Cleft and he came through Detroit. No, 0:08:53.559 --> 0:08:57.280 so right, you know that ain't happening. So somebody knew 0:08:58.800 --> 0:09:04.360 Cleft's cousin Jerry Wonder Jerry one day Jerry. Jerry was 0:09:04.400 --> 0:09:08.080 like god, yeah, yeah, And so they wanted to audition 0:09:08.160 --> 0:09:10.560 my boys, and I like, well, my group and I 0:09:11.120 --> 0:09:14.680 and so we drove from Detroit to New York did 0:09:14.720 --> 0:09:18.000 the audition, like immediately want to sign us. So that's 0:09:18.040 --> 0:09:21.760 how that deal kind of went. Moved to Jersey boom. 0:09:21.920 --> 0:09:22.360 It was an. 0:09:22.280 --> 0:09:24.720 Experience, you know, yeah, it was an experience. But cleft 0:09:24.720 --> 0:09:26.400 shout out to cleft man, great dude. 0:09:26.520 --> 0:09:27.600 How long was you in Jersey? 0:09:27.840 --> 0:09:28.720 Like two years? 0:09:29.000 --> 0:09:30.960 Oh oh, y'all was really getting into it. 0:09:31.320 --> 0:09:32.439 Yeah, yeah, we were recording. 0:09:32.520 --> 0:09:34.520 So when you're going to school high school? 0:09:34.559 --> 0:09:36.960 Yeah, man, I transfer my senior year. It was crazy 0:09:37.240 --> 0:09:37.920 we eleventh grade? 0:09:37.920 --> 0:09:39.959 Did you actually do school work in Jersey to No? 0:09:40.040 --> 0:09:40.440 I did it? 0:09:40.640 --> 0:09:41.040 The truth? 0:09:45.920 --> 0:09:49.000 Well, you know, you moved this group from one place 0:09:49.040 --> 0:09:50.560 to another city we've never been to. 0:09:51.840 --> 0:09:52.760 We were trying to have fun. 0:09:52.880 --> 0:09:53.080 Man. 0:09:53.520 --> 0:09:55.600 You know, young folks getting in trouble. 0:09:56.679 --> 0:09:58.680 Enrolled in the New Jersey high school. 0:09:58.720 --> 0:09:59.160 Only me. 0:09:59.520 --> 0:10:04.240 Everybody already finished, okay, yeah, so when they're still hanging out, 0:10:04.280 --> 0:10:05.720 you're supposed to go to class. 0:10:05.400 --> 0:10:07.920 Exactly, so you are new time. It was it was like, man, 0:10:07.960 --> 0:10:10.480 this do they hang out all night? I'm trying to study, Like, 0:10:10.640 --> 0:10:12.360 just come on, man, chill is. I'm like, all I 0:10:12.440 --> 0:10:15.640 forget it. It wasn't a good experience in terms of 0:10:15.679 --> 0:10:18.680 not doing my work, But overall it was a good experience. 0:10:18.720 --> 0:10:21.760 You know, what did what do you feel like you 0:10:21.880 --> 0:10:25.200 got from that experience or or got from Claff because 0:10:25.200 --> 0:10:26.480 were you'll working with Jerry at the time. 0:10:26.679 --> 0:10:29.120 Yeah, we're working with Jerry now y'all where y'all at 0:10:29.160 --> 0:10:31.960 Platinum Sound Sound and Booker Basement and hold on what 0:10:32.080 --> 0:10:35.000 year two thousand. 0:10:36.440 --> 0:10:37.800 One? Two? Okay? Three? 0:10:38.280 --> 0:10:42.960 Yeah, yeah, okay, so you're working with the guy? Yeah, yeah, 0:10:44.080 --> 0:10:46.080 And so what do you feel like? First of all, 0:10:46.160 --> 0:10:47.400 what did you get from that? And what do you 0:10:47.440 --> 0:10:52.240 feel like was the part that didn't where it didn't 0:10:52.280 --> 0:10:53.760 add up and it ended up dissolving. 0:10:54.280 --> 0:10:57.440 I think that what we learned from CLAFF was more 0:10:57.760 --> 0:11:00.000 more so just just staying focused. 0:11:00.520 --> 0:11:03.079 We were young and it's a new experience. So when 0:11:03.080 --> 0:11:06.240 you take said these young kids from one environment to 0:11:06.280 --> 0:11:08.200 the next, it's like, Okay, we just want to have fun. 0:11:08.800 --> 0:11:12.760 But Cleft wanted us to just focus. Yeah, and so 0:11:13.080 --> 0:11:14.760 some of us did, and some of us wanted to 0:11:14.800 --> 0:11:16.960 run around and do our thing and not really focused. 0:11:17.000 --> 0:11:21.400 So ultimately Cleft cut a few members, chopped them down, 0:11:22.160 --> 0:11:24.679 you know, got rid of them, and then from there 0:11:24.720 --> 0:11:26.600 we just try to read regroup and get a new group, 0:11:26.640 --> 0:11:29.720 and then boom. It just kind of sprout after that 0:11:29.880 --> 0:11:31.680 because we had new people in the group and people 0:11:31.720 --> 0:11:34.079 weren't really just didn't have the same commitment, so it 0:11:34.200 --> 0:11:36.800 just kind of threw everything and we didn't well we 0:11:36.880 --> 0:11:42.559 knew some of them, but not four four And where's 0:11:42.600 --> 0:11:42.880 your call? 0:11:43.360 --> 0:11:43.840 E two G? 0:11:44.840 --> 0:11:45.440 What does that mean? 0:11:45.840 --> 0:11:48.760 I don't even remember elements two thousands something like that. 0:11:49.240 --> 0:11:51.680 I had. I had no say something that. 0:11:52.040 --> 0:11:55.280 E two G. Right software coming. 0:12:00.200 --> 0:12:00.680 To kids. 0:12:01.080 --> 0:12:04.199 It wasn't my joy, it wasn't listen to. 0:12:04.280 --> 0:12:06.320 That's probably one of the worst names. 0:12:07.440 --> 0:12:07.640 Yo. 0:12:08.280 --> 0:12:09.560 You know who came up with that name? 0:12:09.640 --> 0:12:10.040 What' me? 0:12:10.240 --> 0:12:13.880 So that's what old. 0:12:14.160 --> 0:12:15.880 Got coming to an Android near you? 0:12:16.040 --> 0:12:17.040 E two G. 0:12:18.200 --> 0:12:21.319 These apps are off the chain, right, You. 0:12:21.280 --> 0:12:22.800 Got that new yout g on your phone? 0:12:23.320 --> 0:12:25.960 The update is crazy t G update like. 0:12:27.360 --> 0:12:28.000 It makes the worst. 0:12:28.000 --> 0:12:30.079 One of the group members got that name tattooed on him, 0:12:30.080 --> 0:12:36.640 So I yeah, sorry, brother, if you're watching this, man, 0:12:36.679 --> 0:12:37.360 I ain't trying. 0:12:37.200 --> 0:12:40.440 To play you with you. 0:12:41.880 --> 0:12:44.240 Damn, what do we come on? 0:12:44.320 --> 0:12:46.920 Let's come up with some good let's feeling then. 0:12:46.920 --> 0:12:51.280 Get out of here, man, get out everything, just. 0:12:50.960 --> 0:12:58.120 Everything to get uh uh evolve together together. 0:12:58.000 --> 0:13:03.000 Yeah, evolved up together, eat together, Eat together together. 0:13:04.400 --> 0:13:05.760 That might work work. 0:13:06.160 --> 0:13:10.080 No, it didn't work. We tried. 0:13:10.520 --> 0:13:14.160 So E two G falls apart for obvious reasons. Started 0:13:15.000 --> 0:13:15.400 that name. 0:13:19.040 --> 0:13:21.960 I can't sign nobody eat G. I can't walk up 0:13:21.960 --> 0:13:24.200 in no company telling them, is you EAT two G 0:13:24.360 --> 0:13:27.080 network home? You ain't signed on the heat to the 0:13:27.120 --> 0:13:33.120 eat G that's got the most band wid All right? Man? 0:13:33.559 --> 0:13:37.400 E two G? This band and and what you go 0:13:37.480 --> 0:13:40.160 back home? Went back home, back to Detroit. 0:13:40.760 --> 0:13:42.559 So you ain't been home in two years? 0:13:42.600 --> 0:13:45.640 Two years? You just pop back up, back up. So 0:13:45.679 --> 0:13:46.800 how does that go to? 0:13:46.960 --> 0:13:47.120 Though? 0:13:47.160 --> 0:13:51.040 When you leave Detroit at sixteen, you leave your senior 0:13:51.120 --> 0:13:53.240 year and you're like, man, I'm going I'm signing the cleft. 0:13:53.280 --> 0:13:56.960 I'm out y'all because niggas in the hood is waiting 0:13:56.960 --> 0:13:58.520 to see you on TV exactly. 0:13:58.800 --> 0:14:01.840 So I knew what she was alluding to. It was 0:14:02.679 --> 0:14:05.400 let's just say we hit our faces. Yeah I know 0:14:05.520 --> 0:14:07.720 I did. I was like, Yo, I'm not even like 0:14:07.800 --> 0:14:10.400 I disappeared, man, really, because I. 0:14:10.360 --> 0:14:11.920 Mean, you're going back home. People think you know you 0:14:12.440 --> 0:14:15.040 from the D so it's kind of like people think 0:14:15.080 --> 0:14:16.600 you made it. Once we get back, it's like y. 0:14:16.640 --> 0:14:19.840 Why y'all back, Like you know how I go. 0:14:21.280 --> 0:14:24.320 I'm just here for a second and two until the 0:14:24.360 --> 0:14:25.640 paperwork because it's a new paper. 0:14:29.560 --> 0:14:31.920 Yeah, man, it was yeah, because. 0:14:31.680 --> 0:14:37.440 That going home, going home after because everyone at home 0:14:37.840 --> 0:14:42.200 and at home is everywhere for everybody, right, going back 0:14:42.280 --> 0:14:48.360 home after this quote unquote breakthrough. You know what I'm saying. 0:14:49.080 --> 0:14:55.160 It's the hardest, hardest lesson man to learn from and 0:14:55.200 --> 0:15:00.400 get over. Like for me, I was never going home 0:15:00.920 --> 0:15:01.720 when I got to l A. 0:15:02.000 --> 0:15:02.520 That was it. 0:15:02.960 --> 0:15:09.920 I'm never going home. I was filling up a stolen 0:15:11.440 --> 0:15:15.800 uh Lincoln town car with pennies from the ash tray. 0:15:16.960 --> 0:15:17.760 But I was not. 0:15:18.560 --> 0:15:27.320 Going That's called determination, man, ever. 0:15:24.680 --> 0:15:28.720 Damn but that you know, there's a different lesson than that. 0:15:28.760 --> 0:15:32.120 I ain't go home, but I went to ranch a Cuckamoka. 0:15:34.400 --> 0:15:36.200 Helped me out with that one. You see you see 0:15:36.280 --> 0:15:39.720 next Friday. Oh, I'm the cave. But I wasn't that bad. 0:15:40.560 --> 0:15:43.320 He wasn't in that part. 0:15:43.360 --> 0:15:47.040 And I definitely want the can. I was walking around, 0:15:49.840 --> 0:15:53.000 he wasn't. He went over there. Did I have it 0:15:53.080 --> 0:15:58.280 but a two bedroom apartment? Trying to figure trying to 0:15:58.280 --> 0:16:01.960 figure it out, right, because things do fall apart and 0:16:02.040 --> 0:16:04.200 so at that time, you know, I was on the 0:16:04.280 --> 0:16:08.200 outswip with my label and all of that. Like that 0:16:08.320 --> 0:16:10.280 was right before me and Jay and when Jay met me, 0:16:10.360 --> 0:16:13.800 like I was, I was riding riding in the town, uh, 0:16:13.920 --> 0:16:17.360 in a four door for that escort crazy manual would 0:16:17.440 --> 0:16:21.720 roll down windows nuts. Yeah, but I wasn't going home. 0:16:30.040 --> 0:16:36.200 I'm not going home. So so now now we can 0:16:36.240 --> 0:16:38.480 fast forward to you got to get back to work, 0:16:38.520 --> 0:16:40.360 because that's how you get discovered pretty much just for 0:16:40.400 --> 0:16:44.880 the university situation, yep. So who who What did you 0:16:44.960 --> 0:16:46.720 do in between that time while you were trying to 0:16:46.800 --> 0:16:47.600 keep your face hidden? 0:16:48.960 --> 0:16:51.760 Uh, you're still young, you you know. 0:16:52.240 --> 0:16:55.400 I was preparing to go to college at that point. Wow, yeah, yeah, 0:16:55.480 --> 0:16:58.560 I said, at this point because again we thought this 0:16:58.640 --> 0:16:59.360 was a major deal. 0:16:59.640 --> 0:17:01.640 So it's like it didn't happen. So it's like, all right, 0:17:01.640 --> 0:17:02.440 what's the next option? 0:17:02.640 --> 0:17:03.040 School? 0:17:03.760 --> 0:17:05.600 So I went off to Grambling State and that was that. 0:17:06.760 --> 0:17:09.160 But I kept singing what he went to Gramblin? 0:17:11.920 --> 0:17:12.920 You singing that Gramblin. 0:17:13.640 --> 0:17:18.760 I was singing that Grambling that did Oh it did something. 0:17:19.560 --> 0:17:21.480 It did something, man, I'm gonna tell you it was. 0:17:21.680 --> 0:17:22.480 It was an experience. 0:17:22.560 --> 0:17:25.240 You a bunch of youtub gf there. Yeah, man, get 0:17:25.320 --> 0:17:29.720 you a bunch of you could use. 0:17:30.320 --> 0:17:30.720 Everything. 0:17:30.880 --> 0:17:32.000 Yeah yeah. 0:17:32.240 --> 0:17:37.159 And so Gramlin State and then Universal are you doing 0:17:37.240 --> 0:17:39.600 music there at all? Are like in the band up there? 0:17:39.640 --> 0:17:39.800 Now? 0:17:39.840 --> 0:17:43.800 You just talent shows? But you doing talent shows shows. 0:17:43.520 --> 0:17:50.680 And Gramblin Booze the bad. But I became popular after 0:17:50.720 --> 0:17:54.560 singing your records. And that was that what you say slow? 0:17:56.119 --> 0:17:56.239 No? 0:17:56.400 --> 0:17:59.320 I said, maybe I sing maybe I deserve and I sang. 0:18:01.640 --> 0:18:03.560 Slowly. That's crazy. 0:18:04.480 --> 0:18:08.000 Yeah, they didn't get boot. No, they talked about that 0:18:08.040 --> 0:18:11.720 to this day. No way, I promise you. It was 0:18:11.760 --> 0:18:14.439 like the best performance they've ever seen in Gramlin's history 0:18:15.040 --> 0:18:15.720 from a student. 0:18:16.800 --> 0:18:16.960 Yeah. 0:18:17.840 --> 0:18:20.399 Probably, Yeah, he would probably have a problem with you 0:18:20.440 --> 0:18:21.440 saying that because he went there. 0:18:21.520 --> 0:18:28.480 Oh man, well I'm a singer disregarding side. 0:18:28.920 --> 0:18:29.879 But no, that was it. 0:18:29.960 --> 0:18:34.320 And then from there a guy was working with Jahim. 0:18:34.560 --> 0:18:35.320 He hit me up. 0:18:35.800 --> 0:18:38.320 He apparently he worked at Gramblin. So I went out 0:18:38.400 --> 0:18:40.920 to Jersey. I started doing work with other people who 0:18:40.920 --> 0:18:44.480 work with Jahim, and yeah, man, from there, it just 0:18:44.560 --> 0:18:46.120 kept focusing on my dream. 0:18:46.200 --> 0:18:47.159 But then coming back. 0:18:47.000 --> 0:18:49.800 To school, just trying to stay busy with music because 0:18:49.800 --> 0:18:50.920 again I'm a singer. 0:18:50.960 --> 0:18:53.120 We're all singers. We want to keep doing it to. 0:18:53.119 --> 0:18:56.320 Kind of keep that, you know, keep ourselves polished. Yeah, 0:18:56.359 --> 0:18:58.800 so I kept going. 0:18:58.880 --> 0:19:00.560 So when did you get into the space to where 0:19:00.600 --> 0:19:03.199 you came to see us? What time was that? That was? 0:19:06.240 --> 0:19:12.480 That was two thousand and nine, yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:19:11.160 --> 0:19:12.880 So I had a lot of time elapsed between that. 0:19:12.920 --> 0:19:17.280 Right, Yeah, yeah, a lot of time. So in other words, 0:19:17.280 --> 0:19:18.000 you asking what happened? 0:19:18.040 --> 0:19:18.119 Right? 0:19:20.040 --> 0:19:23.680 So from there I was just on recording still talent shows. 0:19:24.840 --> 0:19:25.520 And that's about it. 0:19:25.560 --> 0:19:26.240 Were you're working? 0:19:26.720 --> 0:19:28.720 I was working? Where were you working? You really want 0:19:28.720 --> 0:19:30.920 to know that? Absolutely? Yeah, because the people people want 0:19:30.960 --> 0:19:31.119 to know. 0:19:31.240 --> 0:19:35.639 I'm gonna tell you, I'm how thing go chicken? 0:19:35.960 --> 0:19:37.280 You gave me the hook up? Yeah? 0:19:37.280 --> 0:19:39.400 I would because I used to go to the popeye'es 0:19:39.680 --> 0:19:45.040 and they would give me extra tenders and extra fries, and. 0:19:45.000 --> 0:19:47.840 The bus the same one, the same one. You just 0:19:47.920 --> 0:19:49.040 knew that they was gonna get at it. 0:19:49.000 --> 0:19:50.080 Up the street from my mama house. 0:19:50.200 --> 0:19:53.879 Wow. No, I love Pope, Yeah, oh yeah, they love They. 0:19:53.720 --> 0:19:56.320 Treat me right, Oh yeah, they will the right person 0:19:56.359 --> 0:20:01.399 with that, with that Marty Crown mustard, that must have 0:20:01.400 --> 0:20:05.520 got your thing and they want to people be talking 0:20:05.560 --> 0:20:06.080 about the other. 0:20:06.480 --> 0:20:09.240 They got a good fact. Nobody messing with that. 0:20:09.320 --> 0:20:13.640 So you're you're at Popeye's before or after the Universal deal, 0:20:14.720 --> 0:20:16.560