1 00:00:04,559 --> 00:00:07,000 Speaker 1: By the time you hear this podcast, you already know 2 00:00:07,400 --> 00:00:10,520 Speaker 1: and whatever feelings have set in have set in. Kamala 3 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 1: Harris did not win Vice President. Kamala Harris did not win, 4 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 1: nor did she come close, Nor was this the race 5 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:24,880 Speaker 1: that I believe many people who supported her wanted to see. 6 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 1: And so I would like to take my platform today, 7 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:33,199 Speaker 1: which is Naked Sports, and I would like to do 8 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:37,199 Speaker 1: a love letter for Black women. The reason why I 9 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 1: feel like a love letter is needed. 10 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 2: Because what happened on election night. 11 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:48,960 Speaker 1: Felt very personal to a lot of Black women that 12 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 1: I know, and while I can't speak for all black women, 13 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 1: I hope I am speaking too many when I talk 14 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 1: about how we feel, how we felt about this race, 15 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 1: how we were inspired by Kamala Harris, and how we 16 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:05,560 Speaker 1: had hope. 17 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:09,880 Speaker 2: And I believe. 18 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 1: That it is very difficult as a Black woman in 19 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 1: this country to be very vulnerable because we have been 20 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 1: let down so many times. And that could be personal, 21 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 1: it could be professional, but we have been let down 22 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:27,920 Speaker 1: because we care. And again, I'm not speaking for all 23 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:30,039 Speaker 1: black women. I don't know what you are feeling in 24 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 1: this moment, but I can speak to what I felt 25 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:37,840 Speaker 1: and what I know many of my friends felt and 26 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 1: so that is the reason why I wanted to do 27 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 1: a love letter to acknowledge the hearts, the minds, and 28 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 1: the spirits of black women. This is for you and 29 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 1: only for you. Welcome to Naked Sports, the podcast where 30 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 1: we live at the intersection of sports, politics, and culture 31 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 1: are purpose reveal the common threads that bind them all. 32 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 3: So what's happening in women's basketball right now is what 33 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 3: we've been trying to. 34 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:10,000 Speaker 4: Get to for almost thirty years. 35 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:13,799 Speaker 2: From the stadiums where athletes break barriers and set records. 36 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:17,000 Speaker 4: Kaden Quark broke the all time single game assists record. 37 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:19,080 Speaker 4: This is crazy for rookies to be doing. 38 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:21,840 Speaker 5: To the polls where history is written, and now we 39 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:25,520 Speaker 5: have Kamala Harrison, it feels more like women are sort 40 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:29,080 Speaker 5: of taken what they've always deserved, as opposed to waiting 41 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 5: on somebody to give them what they've deserved. 42 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 1: Our discussions will uncover the vital connections between these realms 43 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 1: and the community we create. In each episode, we'll sit 44 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:42,920 Speaker 1: down with athletes, political analysts, and culture critics because at 45 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:45,640 Speaker 1: the core of it all, how we see one issue 46 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:50,120 Speaker 1: shines the light on all others. Welcome to the Naked Sports. 47 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:53,080 Speaker 1: I'm your host, Carrie Champion. 48 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 6: The light of America's promise. We'll always burn bright as 49 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 6: long as we never give up and as long as 50 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 6: we keep fighting. 51 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 1: When Kamala received the Democratic nomination, I had the wonderful 52 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:29,080 Speaker 1: opportunity to be in Chicago at the DNC And while 53 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:34,360 Speaker 1: other people felt different about the experience, I left feeling 54 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 1: inspired and hopeful and honestly thinking the vice president could 55 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 1: win this. And at that time I was able to 56 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:50,440 Speaker 1: and no regrets, experience something that I don't know if 57 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 1: we'll ever see in our lifetime. I watched millions and 58 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 1: millions of people get behind this black and Asian woman, 59 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 1: but I identified with her in so many ways, as 60 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:08,840 Speaker 1: do black women. She had one hundred and seven days 61 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 1: to put this campaign together, and I don't know if 62 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 1: anybody else could have handled it with so much grace 63 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 1: and elegance in the way in which she did. 64 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 2: But it's very familiar to us. 65 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:26,119 Speaker 1: Because we always show up, and we always work so hard, 66 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:29,120 Speaker 1: and we always put other people before us. It is 67 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 1: the way we are built. It is in our DNA, 68 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 1: It is the way that we bond with people. It 69 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 1: is the way that we just show up and experience ourselves. 70 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 1: And I can't say that everybody does that, but again, 71 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 1: I'm speaking for the majority of Black women that I know. 72 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 1: And so when Kamala Harris received that Democratic nomination, and 73 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:55,280 Speaker 1: while we don't need acceptance, there was a collective sigh 74 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:56,400 Speaker 1: of acceptance. 75 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 2: Is this possible? Can it happen? Is this true? 76 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:07,680 Speaker 1: And I allowed myself to believe, and I'm glad that 77 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:11,680 Speaker 1: I did. In fact, I convinced my friends to believe. 78 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 1: Black women have a hard time believing in a system 79 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:20,600 Speaker 1: that has ignored them for so long and continues to 80 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:26,360 Speaker 1: do so till this day. But we believed in Kamala. 81 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:30,279 Speaker 1: As you can see, ninety two percent of you showed 82 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 1: up and voted for her, ninety two And for us, 83 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 1: it really wasn't a choice. It was right and wrong, 84 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:45,279 Speaker 1: literally black versus white. It was so clear to us 85 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:48,359 Speaker 1: who needed to win, who needed to be the president 86 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:56,680 Speaker 1: of the United States of America. Kamala's campaign felt very 87 00:05:56,720 --> 00:06:01,359 Speaker 1: familiar to many of us. It felt like the work 88 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 1: that we do every single day. We go to our jobs. 89 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:07,800 Speaker 1: You go to your jobs, you do your job, you 90 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:10,920 Speaker 1: own your business, you give every single thing you do 91 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 1: more than anyone around you, because that is the work 92 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 1: ethic that has been instilled in us. That is the 93 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:19,680 Speaker 1: only work ethic that seems to be acceptable in corporate 94 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 1: America in many circumstances, just to be accepted. And she 95 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:30,159 Speaker 1: ran a flawless campaign, and yes there are things she 96 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:32,920 Speaker 1: could have done differently, but for one hundred and seven days, 97 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:37,159 Speaker 1: it was spectacular. And I want to continue to remind 98 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:41,600 Speaker 1: people she had one hundred and seven days to galvanize 99 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 1: an entire nation and she did that. We do that, 100 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 1: only we can do that. There is no other being 101 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 1: on the planet that can move in spaces all the 102 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:02,479 Speaker 1: while handling every single thing as if it is not 103 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 1: an issue. Meaning, I know what you're saying about me, 104 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:08,840 Speaker 1: I know how you feel about me. I know there 105 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 1: is sabotage happening. But I'm still showing up and I'm 106 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 1: still going to be excellent no matter what, because that's 107 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 1: what I do. It is in my DNA. I know 108 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 1: nothing else. And I just want to say I am 109 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 1: so very proud of all of you black women who 110 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 1: show up in whatever space that is, whether it be 111 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 1: at home, at work, with your friends, or your family, 112 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 1: you show up and you give all and you care 113 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 1: and you love and you love. There is always this 114 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 1: thought that we are angry, but we just love. And 115 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 1: so for me, on election night, when I realized that 116 00:07:55,040 --> 00:08:02,560 Speaker 1: Kamala had no choice but to concede, and I was hoping, 117 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:05,480 Speaker 1: just like many of you were hoping, I was hoping 118 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 1: that what I was watching on television, what I was 119 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 1: seeing on the screen, was not real, that it wasn't real. 120 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 6: I know many people feel like we are entering a 121 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 6: dark time, but for the benefit of us all, I 122 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 6: hope that is not the case. But here's the thing, America. 123 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:29,360 Speaker 6: If it is, let us fill the sky with the 124 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 6: light of a brilliant, brilliant billion of stars. 125 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 1: But it was, and I want you to know, it's 126 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 1: not a referendum on black women. I refuse to believe 127 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:46,839 Speaker 1: that our excellence has been pushed aside. I refuse to 128 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 1: believe that the hard work that we put in not 129 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 1: only to be where we are in life, individually and professionally, 130 00:08:55,440 --> 00:09:07,040 Speaker 1: will be ignored forever. Kamala did something that many of 131 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:12,080 Speaker 1: you do. Every single day. You show up and you believe, 132 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 1: and you act as if nothing is wrong, although you 133 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:21,720 Speaker 1: know there are forces fighting against you at work, at home, 134 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:22,719 Speaker 1: in school. 135 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 2: You name it. 136 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:26,720 Speaker 1: There are forces always fighting against you, and sometimes you 137 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:30,079 Speaker 1: know it's just because you're a black woman, yet and 138 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:34,880 Speaker 1: still you show up every single day. So an election 139 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:40,679 Speaker 1: night watching her lose for many of us was painful, 140 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:49,280 Speaker 1: It was personal, and it felt as if it was 141 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 1: the end of the world. And I'm not exaggerating because 142 00:09:54,200 --> 00:10:01,880 Speaker 1: in my mind, the Alternative was an alternative that would 143 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 1: reject me and my kind. The Alternative didn't like black folks. 144 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 1: The Alternative wasn't a party that wanted to speak for 145 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 1: me and the people I know and love and address 146 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:16,000 Speaker 1: the concerns that we have with this nation. The Alternative, 147 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 1: to me, at its core, talked about supremacy, white supremacy 148 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 1: more specifically, and oftentimes people use that word, but I 149 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:31,840 Speaker 1: really don't know if they understand what white supremacy is. 150 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:35,680 Speaker 1: In fact, some of you may know a video surfaced 151 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:40,319 Speaker 1: recently and it was a white supremacist explaining exactly what 152 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 1: it means. 153 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 6: If we become a minority, we will not control our 154 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:49,319 Speaker 6: own destiny anymore. His policies, if implemented, would slow the 155 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 6: dispossession of white in. 156 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:53,440 Speaker 3: The United States. 157 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:56,439 Speaker 1: And when I saw that video, it was so crystal 158 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 1: clear to me. It was so crystal clear to me 159 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:06,640 Speaker 1: that we still have work to do, but for right now, 160 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:11,200 Speaker 1: we are hurting, and many of you are expressing your 161 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 1: hurt by being angry. You have every right to every emotion, 162 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 1: but I would like to say that anger is just 163 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 1: the bodyguard of sadness. Sadness is really where you store 164 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:30,600 Speaker 1: and show how vulnerable you are. And I also know 165 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 1: that Black women have our time expressing any vulnerability. 166 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:38,000 Speaker 2: But this time it's. 167 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:45,080 Speaker 1: Okay because I think it's beautiful to see a vulnerable 168 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 1: Black woman say that she's in pain, say that she's hurt, 169 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:54,199 Speaker 1: say that she feels ignored and Nazi. I think it's 170 00:11:54,240 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 1: okay to cry, as I know many of us did. 171 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:10,520 Speaker 1: I think it's okay for us to want more, for 172 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:15,439 Speaker 1: us to be upset with this country, and I think 173 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:22,200 Speaker 1: it's okay for us to talk about what that loss 174 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 1: felt like for us personally. And so my good friend Boseem, 175 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 1: a Saint John, she posted something that I thought was 176 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:37,719 Speaker 1: really interesting and I noticed that it got a lot 177 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:42,319 Speaker 1: of reaction and it simply said good morning to USUS 178 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:48,680 Speaker 1: and USUS only. I love you deep, and that resonates 179 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:52,000 Speaker 1: back in a moment. 180 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:05,640 Speaker 3: I'm Bosmas Saint John. I'm a Hall of Fame inducted Marketer, 181 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 3: entrepreneur and author of The Urgent Life. 182 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 2: Also my best thing. Welcome Bozi. 183 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:19,080 Speaker 1: It's been a hard few days, and by the time 184 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 1: everyone hears this podcast, I would assume that people are 185 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 1: still processing. 186 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 2: But I told you that I was. 187 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:29,440 Speaker 1: Inspired by your post the morning after the election, and 188 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 1: you were like, good morning to USUS and USUS, only 189 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 1: black women specifically, and your post was very encouraging, and 190 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:41,200 Speaker 1: I thought to myself, this feels very personal for all 191 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:43,840 Speaker 1: the black women that I know, and I wanted to 192 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:46,040 Speaker 1: put a love letter together because I want them to 193 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:49,120 Speaker 1: see themselves the way that they should be seen. If 194 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:52,319 Speaker 1: they are not celebrated by society, at least the Sisterhood 195 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 1: should celebrate them. 196 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:56,480 Speaker 2: Yes, when did. 197 00:13:56,360 --> 00:14:00,240 Speaker 1: You honestly believe Kamala Harris could win the election? 198 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:01,080 Speaker 2: Oof? 199 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:03,480 Speaker 4: Why did I believe she? 200 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:05,840 Speaker 3: I think I've always believed that she could win the 201 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:10,480 Speaker 3: election big the moment she said she wanted it, even 202 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:16,920 Speaker 3: when she was running against Joe Biden, I thought that 203 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:19,960 Speaker 3: she could win the election, and so when she became 204 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 3: vice president, it was like, Okay, great, this is set 205 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 3: up for the presidency. 206 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:29,560 Speaker 4: Brilliant strategy. Love it. So I always felt like it 207 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 4: was going to be her time. 208 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 1: It's interesting because there was a time in her vice 209 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 1: presidency I thought that her career is pretty much over 210 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:39,560 Speaker 1: because the administration was so unpopular and their decisions have 211 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:41,800 Speaker 1: been so unpopular, and I thought, why did she tiere 212 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 1: herself to him? I cannot see I could not see 213 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:47,160 Speaker 1: a pathway to victory that would lead her to being 214 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:50,800 Speaker 1: the president. I think that when she became the vice 215 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:53,480 Speaker 1: president there were double standards put on her in that 216 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 1: position that we never fully realized. There was so much 217 00:14:57,240 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 1: chatter about why isn't she doing this? And why isn't 218 00:14:59,320 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 1: she doing that? 219 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:01,880 Speaker 2: Do you remember that, Yes. 220 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:06,280 Speaker 3: Of course, But I think that was warranted because very 221 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:09,760 Speaker 3: rarely is a vice president more outspoken than the president. 222 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 3: And so I think, as a black woman, as a 223 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 3: very successful prosecutor who uses her words loudly, it would 224 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:22,360 Speaker 3: be very difficult for her to be herself in the 225 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:25,640 Speaker 3: role of vice president to Joe Biden, and so there 226 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:28,520 Speaker 3: had to be a quieting of her. And you're right 227 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 3: that it could have been the end of her career, 228 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:34,400 Speaker 3: but it didn't feel like it. I don't know for me, 229 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:37,120 Speaker 3: it just felt like the strategy was right, that they 230 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:40,280 Speaker 3: had to introduce her in a way that would be 231 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 3: softer because she had been so charismatic and aggressive quote 232 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:49,320 Speaker 3: unquote to use the word they'd like to use about 233 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:52,960 Speaker 3: us in her career, and so they had to soften her, 234 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:56,960 Speaker 3: so quiet her and the vice presidency let her reinvent herself, 235 00:15:57,000 --> 00:16:00,200 Speaker 3: and then bring her out as the presidential not me. 236 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:05,120 Speaker 1: When Biden was still running for office and he was 237 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 1: seeking a second term, what were your thoughts about that ticket. 238 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:13,240 Speaker 1: I know that I would have begrudgingly went to the 239 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 1: voting booth and pick them, but I was I was 240 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:20,240 Speaker 1: unhappy with a lot of things, more specifically just Biden's administration, 241 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 1: which I assume were policies she had to sign on too, 242 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 1: because you can't be going up to your boss like, yo. 243 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:27,520 Speaker 2: I'm fooling with you. I don't like what you're doing. 244 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 4: You know what I mean. It's a ride with him. 245 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 4: But you know what, the funny thing is, I didn't 246 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:33,520 Speaker 4: think there's anything. 247 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:36,200 Speaker 3: Wrong with him running for the second or a second term, 248 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:38,360 Speaker 3: because I was like, oh, but it's not as if 249 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:40,680 Speaker 3: aide was a factor when people were talking about Trump, 250 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 3: So I didn't understand why we were talking about aide. 251 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:45,280 Speaker 4: As a factor when it was Dooe Biden. 252 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:48,760 Speaker 3: You know, if Joe Biden had been running against someone 253 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:52,320 Speaker 3: in their fifties or early. 254 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:54,360 Speaker 4: Sixties, then I could see how that was an argument. 255 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:58,040 Speaker 1: Now you were one of to me, you think you 256 00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:00,440 Speaker 1: look at things so logically different, which is I wanted 257 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:02,080 Speaker 1: to talk to you because I was like, the way 258 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:04,720 Speaker 1: this man is shuffling through the airport and falling down 259 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:08,600 Speaker 1: and falling to sleep. I was like, Grandpa needs a nap, 260 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:10,560 Speaker 1: And I was like, and he wasn't responding. 261 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:12,960 Speaker 2: You know, there was a you win. Was the moment 262 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:14,200 Speaker 2: you knew he had to step down? 263 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:14,400 Speaker 6: Though? 264 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 2: Was it the debate when everybody was like, oh boy, 265 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:17,800 Speaker 2: Joe Man? 266 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 4: No, I really, I honestly did that debate? 267 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:21,960 Speaker 1: The debate didn't bother you when he couldn't really get 268 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:24,440 Speaker 1: it together because you thought Donald Trump was just as bad. 269 00:17:24,600 --> 00:17:28,080 Speaker 4: Yes, worse, Trump was worse. 270 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:30,840 Speaker 3: It was like, if you thought Joe Biden was mumbling 271 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 3: and bumbling, I was like, well, he's up next to 272 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:35,320 Speaker 3: a fool, so there's no problem. 273 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:36,080 Speaker 2: Yep. 274 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 3: It's like again, if he was competing against someone who 275 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:43,399 Speaker 3: was twenty years his junior, as sharp as attack and 276 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 3: could remember names of things. Then I'd be like, Okay, oh, 277 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:49,399 Speaker 3: we got to put somebody else in the. 278 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:49,880 Speaker 4: Game, coach. 279 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:56,040 Speaker 3: But no, he was competing against an equally old person 280 00:17:57,440 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 3: and less intelligent and more harmful. 281 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:03,640 Speaker 4: Look at those, Look at those. 282 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:07,399 Speaker 1: It sounds like it makes sense. Yes, it sounds like 283 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:08,120 Speaker 1: it makes sense. 284 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:08,400 Speaker 4: Right. 285 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:13,720 Speaker 3: And the more dangerous thing that I will say is 286 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:16,840 Speaker 3: that if Joe Biden had stayed in the race, he 287 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:17,360 Speaker 3: would have won. 288 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:20,600 Speaker 2: I I might, I might not disagree with that. 289 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:21,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, won. 290 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:24,000 Speaker 2: Well, but talk to me. 291 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:29,200 Speaker 1: What what did that landside of a wind where Donald 292 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:29,959 Speaker 1: Trump look like? 293 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:30,720 Speaker 2: To you? 294 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:33,600 Speaker 1: What did it feel like as a black woman watching 295 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:39,199 Speaker 1: watching our very first black woman nominated to the Democratic 296 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 1: ticket for the very first time in a real way? 297 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:44,560 Speaker 1: We thought, I know, I thought she was winning, and 298 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:48,720 Speaker 1: when she lost significantly closed the door. They say goodbye, 299 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:50,720 Speaker 1: we don't want it. How did that make you feel? 300 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:52,119 Speaker 4: Oh? 301 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:56,440 Speaker 3: Man, Well, first of all, I don't want to compare 302 00:18:56,520 --> 00:18:59,119 Speaker 3: myself in that arena because I haven't been in that arena. 303 00:18:59,440 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 4: Mm hmm. 304 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:04,040 Speaker 3: I have empathy in that arena because I've been in 305 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:09,800 Speaker 3: many a boardroom that has felt like that. Now the 306 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:17,639 Speaker 3: competition between their worst candidate and your best candidate is 307 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:23,080 Speaker 3: one that is not new, meaning that I have been 308 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:30,240 Speaker 3: in many boardrooms where the promotion is between myself and 309 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:34,000 Speaker 3: someone who is far less than me but just happens 310 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:37,040 Speaker 3: to be a white man, and the promotion always goes 311 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:43,280 Speaker 3: to him, always, And so it felt like a familiar hurt. 312 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:46,639 Speaker 4: It wasn't a new wound. 313 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:50,600 Speaker 3: I didn't feel like, ouch, how dare you stab me 314 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:53,720 Speaker 3: in the stomach. I wasn't expecting that. It was like, 315 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 3: oh no, don't reopen that old wound. 316 00:19:57,880 --> 00:19:58,199 Speaker 6: Oh no. 317 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:02,359 Speaker 3: I thought I was healed from that, but clearly I'm not, 318 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:07,040 Speaker 3: because it just still hurts. So it felt familiar, and 319 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:10,600 Speaker 3: I think a lot of us are hurt, not. 320 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:13,600 Speaker 4: Because it's new, but because it's familiar. 321 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:17,040 Speaker 3: Actually, that's what's so scary about it is that we 322 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:18,720 Speaker 3: know this pain. 323 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:20,440 Speaker 4: This is not a new pain. 324 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:23,880 Speaker 1: When I think about the one hundred and seven days, 325 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:29,719 Speaker 1: I think, what a magnificent campaign. I am not a 326 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 1: I am not a campaign expert. I don't know how 327 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:34,399 Speaker 1: they are run from the inside out, but it looked 328 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:38,840 Speaker 1: like to me, it felt as if she had enthusiasm, momentum. 329 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:40,520 Speaker 2: She was hitting on all cylinders. 330 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:43,680 Speaker 1: I think she was doing the best, if not excellent, 331 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:45,439 Speaker 1: with all she was given, and that. 332 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:47,359 Speaker 2: Was a tough campaign, nearly impossible. 333 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:52,199 Speaker 1: Some would say history will show that there were things 334 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:56,159 Speaker 1: that she just could not distance herself from because of 335 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:57,960 Speaker 1: the short period of time that she had. 336 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:03,479 Speaker 3: Yes, yes, or there's a bigness of the legacy that 337 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 3: she was carrying. I mean, she was not just carrying 338 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:12,359 Speaker 3: Biden's legacy. She's carrying Obama's legacy. So how could she 339 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:15,639 Speaker 3: escape from any of that? She's not brand new. This 340 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:20,360 Speaker 3: was not brand new candidate who we can just pretend 341 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:23,240 Speaker 3: has no history anywhere, and people want to just talk 342 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:27,720 Speaker 3: about her her track record as a prosecutor or her 343 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:32,480 Speaker 3: track record as the you know, district attorney and whatever. 344 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:36,040 Speaker 4: But that's no, that was not it. 345 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:40,639 Speaker 3: It was Biden's choices and Obama's choices that she was 346 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:41,680 Speaker 3: also carrying. 347 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:43,320 Speaker 4: So if you were mad at either one of them, 348 00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:44,359 Speaker 4: then you're mad at Kamala. 349 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:47,480 Speaker 2: Two, how did she handle it all. 350 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:51,880 Speaker 4: The way that we all handle these things. 351 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:59,359 Speaker 3: With absolute fierceness, with complete optimism, because you can't be 352 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:01,400 Speaker 3: a pessimist and take on that role. 353 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:02,080 Speaker 4: You really can't. 354 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 3: You got to believe more than anybody that it is 355 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:08,600 Speaker 3: possible to win in the face of all of that, 356 00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:13,440 Speaker 3: And so the only way for her to even attempt 357 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:18,360 Speaker 3: to run was to be a complete optimist, and probably 358 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:25,120 Speaker 3: illogical at that. So imagine being a career attorney who 359 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:30,800 Speaker 3: only deals in facts and now you gotta deal in dreams. 360 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:33,800 Speaker 4: That's an impossible situation to be in. 361 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:36,840 Speaker 3: But she found the way to do it and made 362 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:39,960 Speaker 3: all of us believe that the dream was possible. 363 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:44,600 Speaker 1: I heard someone say the other day when talking about 364 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:49,880 Speaker 1: black women, is there any other being on the planet 365 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:54,680 Speaker 1: that can execute and live and persevere and push and 366 00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:59,440 Speaker 1: thrive and love and continue to love and find new 367 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 1: love the way in which a black woman does No 368 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:09,560 Speaker 1: matter how much pain, Yes, no matter how many times 369 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:13,119 Speaker 1: you we're told no, we still find the ability to 370 00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:14,919 Speaker 1: love and help others. 371 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:19,240 Speaker 3: Yes, yes, again and again and again and again. I 372 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:24,000 Speaker 3: mean you know, now this might be you know, the 373 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:27,360 Speaker 3: one that goes way back, which is way back. Okay, 374 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:29,760 Speaker 3: but just bear with me, because it's like, regardless if 375 00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:33,240 Speaker 3: you believe in the Bible or you believe in science, 376 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:37,480 Speaker 3: we know that the first woman was Eve, Yeah, and 377 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:43,119 Speaker 3: came from the continent of Africa. Solack woman yes, smother 378 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:47,280 Speaker 3: of all being yes, secure, Yes, the one who takes 379 00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:51,760 Speaker 3: care of the first one to kiss a boo boo 380 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:55,560 Speaker 3: and say it's going to be all right. So that 381 00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:59,040 Speaker 3: is our DNA. That is what we're carrying around, and 382 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:03,560 Speaker 3: so we feel responsible for the entirety of the planet. 383 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:06,919 Speaker 3: And so it's a very difficult thing for us to 384 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:10,399 Speaker 3: look at any situation and not help, not come to 385 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:11,159 Speaker 3: the rescue. 386 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:12,520 Speaker 4: So I've seen a. 387 00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:15,560 Speaker 3: Lot of black women say, don't ask me for nothing, 388 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:18,000 Speaker 3: don't come over here and ask me to do no protests, 389 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:20,720 Speaker 3: don't ask me to do anything else. I'm tired of 390 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:24,159 Speaker 3: doing it. Blah blah blah blah. But that to me 391 00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:29,600 Speaker 3: sounds just like a mother who says, don't you ask 392 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:31,840 Speaker 3: me to come and make you want to ask you 393 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:34,920 Speaker 3: you want? You said no, I'm not coming in the kitchen. Meanwhile, 394 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:37,320 Speaker 3: here she comes shuffling in her slipping uh huh. 395 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:42,960 Speaker 1: You're making throwing pots and paths around and like what 396 00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:43,880 Speaker 1: you want to eat? 397 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:48,840 Speaker 3: Shooting it's something for you, open clam and the refrigerator 398 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:50,120 Speaker 3: and still made. 399 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:51,920 Speaker 4: You food to eat through. 400 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:54,840 Speaker 3: The food at you and walk away. 401 00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:57,880 Speaker 4: That's us, that is us. 402 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:06,399 Speaker 3: And so tomorrow when there is a new hope that 403 00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:11,560 Speaker 3: is born. We'll be right there again, ready to help, 404 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:15,719 Speaker 3: ready to fight, ready to nurture, ready to take on 405 00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:16,760 Speaker 3: the ills of the world. 406 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:21,560 Speaker 2: How do we encourage each other? I want? 407 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:24,159 Speaker 1: I want because I feel like a lot of us 408 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:26,280 Speaker 1: are defeated. I'm not speaking for every black woman. I 409 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:28,960 Speaker 1: cannot do that, but I have and I know as 410 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:32,040 Speaker 1: a whole people who voted for Kamala feel defeated, especially 411 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:35,400 Speaker 1: because she lost to Donald Trump. But where's the encouragement 412 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:40,360 Speaker 1: Because when you said, the wound felt familiar, That's why 413 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:43,399 Speaker 1: it hurts so badly. I want to be able to 414 00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:47,439 Speaker 1: give these black women some bomb, like you know what 415 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:49,639 Speaker 1: this feels like, and it is painful. But yet again, 416 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:51,639 Speaker 1: you'll show up time and time again. 417 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:57,919 Speaker 3: Yes, yes, because I'm not showing up for them, not 418 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:01,760 Speaker 3: showing up for them, And so I recognized the hurt 419 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:06,400 Speaker 3: and the betrayal and feeling like, don't y'all come ask 420 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:10,880 Speaker 3: me for anything. But I'm not doing it for them. 421 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:16,200 Speaker 3: I'm doing it for the legacy, yo, for the one 422 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:19,919 Speaker 3: who's coming. I'm doing it for her, not doing it 423 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:23,200 Speaker 3: for any white man or for society. You know, I'm 424 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:25,640 Speaker 3: doing it for the next one, and so that's why 425 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:29,920 Speaker 3: I get up and persist. That's why I don't sit 426 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:33,800 Speaker 3: down and feel defeated by it all, because. 427 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:36,640 Speaker 4: How could I. You're the women that came before us. 428 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:41,520 Speaker 2: This is this is light work. This is light work. 429 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:42,600 Speaker 2: This is light work. 430 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:46,040 Speaker 3: I was reminding my daughter because you know, she your niche, 431 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:51,560 Speaker 3: because she was so upset, you know, upset to the 432 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:58,719 Speaker 3: point of tears right about this, and I had to 433 00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:01,959 Speaker 3: remind her. And I know it's like, you know, sometimes 434 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:05,760 Speaker 3: it feels like a nag to say it, but I 435 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:08,160 Speaker 3: just had to remind her, you know. I was like, hey, look, 436 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:15,080 Speaker 3: your generation will do things that ours can't, and you will. 437 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:19,680 Speaker 4: Like, look, the fifteen year old that my mother. 438 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:23,360 Speaker 3: Was didn't have what you have, couldn't do the things 439 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:25,920 Speaker 3: that you do, didn't have the opportunities that you have. 440 00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:31,400 Speaker 3: And the fifteen year old that maybe one day you're 441 00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:36,400 Speaker 3: nurturing will have more opportunities than I do. But that 442 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:41,800 Speaker 3: only happens if I keep moving forward. That only happens 443 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:45,280 Speaker 3: if I do that, because that promise doesn't come to 444 00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:47,959 Speaker 3: fruition if I sit down and just wait for her 445 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:48,400 Speaker 3: to do it. 446 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:54,359 Speaker 4: And so that's why it feels so urgent. For me 447 00:27:56,040 --> 00:28:00,000 Speaker 4: to still go even in the hurt, even in the pain. 448 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,159 Speaker 3: And I know, I know we don't want to do 449 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:04,679 Speaker 3: it because we're just like, well, why I'm all and 450 00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:08,400 Speaker 3: they did. I'm not doing it for them. 451 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:11,120 Speaker 4: I'm not doing it for them. I'm not good enough 452 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:12,399 Speaker 4: for them. 453 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,919 Speaker 3: I'm not working for them. 454 00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:18,520 Speaker 1: Is there a part? And I think about this being 455 00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:25,520 Speaker 1: born here is there seems to be this this belief 456 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:29,640 Speaker 1: and hope no matter, and it's in our DNA, no matter, 457 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:33,960 Speaker 1: since the beginning of time, from slavery till present. Yes, 458 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:38,560 Speaker 1: we still believe that this country will live up to 459 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:39,240 Speaker 1: its promise. 460 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:45,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, why you know, I'm gonna answer that differently. I 461 00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:47,880 Speaker 3: don't know that we believe this country will live up 462 00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:50,280 Speaker 3: to its promise. I think we believe we will live 463 00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:54,560 Speaker 3: up to our promise, which is which is our excellence 464 00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:58,640 Speaker 3: and our greatness and a return to where we have 465 00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:04,680 Speaker 3: already been, you know, in civilization. Amen, I don't believe that. 466 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:08,320 Speaker 3: I think it's wired in our DNA. This greatness is 467 00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:11,280 Speaker 3: wired in our DNA, you know, like we call it 468 00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:17,840 Speaker 3: the cellular memory, right, I think cellular cellular memory about 469 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:23,400 Speaker 3: our greatness, and so it makes it impossible for us 470 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:25,160 Speaker 3: to sit down and accept this. 471 00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:27,880 Speaker 1: Because we come from kings and queens and we know it, 472 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,480 Speaker 1: and we know the royalty that we are, and we 473 00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:34,000 Speaker 1: refuse to let that go, and we know we deserve 474 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:35,080 Speaker 1: and we know we. 475 00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:39,840 Speaker 3: Deserve because if we, at any point in all of 476 00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:44,960 Speaker 3: this trauma and hurt and pain over centuries, felt like, 477 00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:48,360 Speaker 3: oh we've been conditioned to this, we. 478 00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:50,360 Speaker 4: Wouldn't be fighting. So we'd be like, Oh, this is 479 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:53,040 Speaker 4: our place, let's just sit down. Do that? Is it 480 00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:54,000 Speaker 4: possible for us. 481 00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:59,719 Speaker 3: The system every day because we have cellular memory of greatness, 482 00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:03,800 Speaker 3: and so it's not possible for us to continue to 483 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:07,560 Speaker 3: sit and allow these things to happen to us and 484 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:08,719 Speaker 3: make us feel small. 485 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,360 Speaker 4: We we rebel. 486 00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:15,200 Speaker 3: Against it constantly because it doesn't it doesn't actually make 487 00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:20,520 Speaker 3: like real. Like if you were to compare this life 488 00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:27,120 Speaker 3: psychological texts, you would say, oh, well, this behavior over 489 00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:30,280 Speaker 3: time should make this person sit down and be quiet. 490 00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:32,120 Speaker 4: It's like training an animal. 491 00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:36,400 Speaker 3: You know that they eventually stop doing the thing that 492 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:39,520 Speaker 3: their nature makes them do because you've trained them. They've 493 00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:41,520 Speaker 3: been trying to train us for a long time, and. 494 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:44,320 Speaker 1: We're doing and we're like, I'm all set, I don't 495 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:46,000 Speaker 1: know what you think you're doing that. 496 00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:49,120 Speaker 2: We say it every day. 497 00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:52,320 Speaker 4: We say it with our behavior every day. 498 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:59,960 Speaker 1: We know every single day everything, so we we're not. 499 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:01,440 Speaker 4: Doing that, absolutely not. 500 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:05,280 Speaker 1: Our existence is resistance, and we remind them. 501 00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:06,200 Speaker 2: Amen. 502 00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:11,040 Speaker 1: Amen, Amen, Amen. For the women who are listening, and 503 00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:13,680 Speaker 1: truly because I love you and this is my love 504 00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:16,520 Speaker 1: letter to you, as we are telling other black women. 505 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:22,120 Speaker 1: I love how you push forward in spite of and 506 00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:25,160 Speaker 1: we all have that quality, but you have a unique 507 00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:27,920 Speaker 1: ability to keep the main thing the main thing and 508 00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,880 Speaker 1: not get distracted. And distractions can come in the form 509 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,120 Speaker 1: of what people are saying. Distractions can come in the 510 00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:38,440 Speaker 1: form of not being treated fairly. But above all, you 511 00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:43,640 Speaker 1: refuse to negotiate your worth. Oh absolutely, yeah, yeah, and 512 00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:48,000 Speaker 1: so and Carrie. It's a hard thing, Bozama thing. It's 513 00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:53,480 Speaker 1: a hard thing, yes, yes, because it is more natural 514 00:31:55,000 --> 00:32:00,840 Speaker 1: to accept whatever is being offered and just quietly into 515 00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:01,200 Speaker 1: the night. 516 00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:02,000 Speaker 4: It is. 517 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:05,640 Speaker 3: It is much much more peaceful of a life. And 518 00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:07,200 Speaker 3: by the way, I'm not even saying it's a bad. 519 00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:10,560 Speaker 2: Life, that's right, it's a good life. It's a good life. 520 00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:14,840 Speaker 1: Stress a little less stress free, yeah, stress free and something. 521 00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:17,600 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yes, yes, it's. 522 00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:23,800 Speaker 3: Much better but I just I can't do it, you know, 523 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:29,640 Speaker 3: And sometimes it feels like a burden in my life 524 00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:34,400 Speaker 3: to not be able to just accept the normal thing 525 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:38,040 Speaker 3: and go about my business in a normal quote unquote life. 526 00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:42,480 Speaker 3: It's not possible for me. And I don't know where 527 00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:44,480 Speaker 3: that comes from. I really don't. I wish I'd had 528 00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:47,360 Speaker 3: the answer to that, but I stopped fighting it a 529 00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:50,600 Speaker 3: long time ago. When you know, people say, well, why 530 00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:56,640 Speaker 3: don't you just relax, sit down, the kick in, just 531 00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:57,640 Speaker 3: take what they gave you. 532 00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:01,640 Speaker 4: I'm like, absolutely, no, I can't do it. It's not 533 00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:02,280 Speaker 4: in my nature. 534 00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:05,280 Speaker 3: And I do believe that some of us are wired 535 00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:09,560 Speaker 3: that way, and some of us are wired to keep 536 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:13,360 Speaker 3: us safe because people who are wired like me always 537 00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:17,719 Speaker 3: run to the danger, and so you need other people 538 00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:18,480 Speaker 3: who are gonna be. 539 00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:20,040 Speaker 4: Like no, no, no, no, no, get back over here. 540 00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:25,400 Speaker 3: Don't balanced that, you know, And that's what keeps us 541 00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:28,520 Speaker 3: balanced in our society and our culture, and that's what 542 00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:31,840 Speaker 3: keeps us balance as black women also. So I'm not 543 00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,240 Speaker 3: saying that one is better than the other. I'm just 544 00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:36,680 Speaker 3: saying there's some of us who are meant to run 545 00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:39,640 Speaker 3: for the edge of the cliff, and some of us 546 00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:43,880 Speaker 3: who need reminding that you can't jump off the cliff 547 00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:46,480 Speaker 3: without the safety net. And then there's some who are 548 00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:49,080 Speaker 3: standing in the back who are like, hey, don't forget 549 00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:51,360 Speaker 3: the safety net, but they are running with us to 550 00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:55,200 Speaker 3: make sure that they don't fall either, and so we 551 00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:57,920 Speaker 3: push forward and they keep us from getting hurt. 552 00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:00,480 Speaker 4: So there's a balance in that all of us. 553 00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:03,000 Speaker 3: And I think that is the love letter that I'd 554 00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:06,120 Speaker 3: like to send, that there are some of us who 555 00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:08,440 Speaker 3: are running towards the edge, and there are some of 556 00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:11,680 Speaker 3: us who are helping to remember that there needs to 557 00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:15,399 Speaker 3: be a net there and we cannot survive without each other, 558 00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:18,640 Speaker 3: and so we need to continue to celebrate that. 559 00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:19,359 Speaker 4: In each other. 560 00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:23,640 Speaker 1: And you know what you said, And as I as 561 00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:25,480 Speaker 1: I play connect the dots, or at least that's what 562 00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:29,200 Speaker 1: I'm hearing, all of us in some former fashion as 563 00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:32,560 Speaker 1: a black women refuse to negotiate our worst. That's right 564 00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:36,000 Speaker 1: in some former fashion. Some are more obvious about it, 565 00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:38,520 Speaker 1: but some do it in a different way. That's why 566 00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:41,000 Speaker 1: we show up every single day, and that's why we 567 00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:43,439 Speaker 1: keep fighting, and that's why we keep doing because we're 568 00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:45,759 Speaker 1: doing it because we know there is more and we 569 00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:46,479 Speaker 1: deserve more. 570 00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:50,200 Speaker 2: Whatever that looks like, it may not be that well 571 00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:51,200 Speaker 2: for you and me. 572 00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:53,400 Speaker 1: It could look like two different things, but we still 573 00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:56,760 Speaker 1: do it because we have cellular memory, Doctor Boz. 574 00:34:56,920 --> 00:35:01,520 Speaker 3: Yes, we have celling your memory of our greatness, and 575 00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:06,160 Speaker 3: therefore we cannot accept this mediocrity that they're trying to 576 00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:10,600 Speaker 3: shut down our throats. It chokes us every day and 577 00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:13,239 Speaker 3: that's why we get up and we spit in their 578 00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:14,880 Speaker 3: faces and say not today. 579 00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:26,359 Speaker 7: Back in a moment, CNN projects that Donald Trump has 580 00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:30,160 Speaker 7: been elected president, defeating Vice President Kamala Harris. 581 00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:31,239 Speaker 4: Harris Harris. 582 00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:36,160 Speaker 1: And while this loss feels like it's an indictment on us, 583 00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:41,799 Speaker 1: I know it's not. I think to me, it's confirmation, 584 00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:48,879 Speaker 1: confirmation that we are the best, confirmation that people are 585 00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:55,600 Speaker 1: afraid of how great we are. People can't understand why 586 00:35:55,600 --> 00:36:04,160 Speaker 1: we're so excellent. I think it's confirmation that we are 587 00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:08,080 Speaker 1: the chosen ones. And what I mean by that is 588 00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:11,440 Speaker 1: no one can do what we do, and don't you 589 00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:15,640 Speaker 1: forget it. So go to work and signets to the 590 00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:18,880 Speaker 1: person you can't stand who might tell you they're happy 591 00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:20,240 Speaker 1: with the results of the election. 592 00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:23,640 Speaker 2: Be in community. 593 00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:27,000 Speaker 1: Sometimes we have to with those people because it is 594 00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:33,600 Speaker 1: our job, but we got work to do, so I'm 595 00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:38,719 Speaker 1: gonna let us be sad and angry and frustrated, but 596 00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:44,080 Speaker 1: only we can do the work. It's up to us, 597 00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:49,440 Speaker 1: per usual to save the world. And although right now 598 00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:52,640 Speaker 1: my group text don't say I feel like saving the world, 599 00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:55,600 Speaker 1: I'm looking for places to live in other countries. 600 00:36:55,840 --> 00:37:00,319 Speaker 2: That's what my group text will tell you. I love 601 00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:05,400 Speaker 2: this country that my ancestor is built. My ancestors built 602 00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:06,000 Speaker 2: this country. 603 00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:10,640 Speaker 1: Your ancestors built this country, and there's no way they 604 00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:14,120 Speaker 1: deserve to have the country that our ancestors died for, 605 00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:23,279 Speaker 1: shed blood for, fought for, prayed for. We've come so 606 00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:26,880 Speaker 1: far in such a short period of time as just 607 00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:32,040 Speaker 1: a group of people, as a section of society, Black 608 00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:35,280 Speaker 1: women again, highest earners, hardest workers, doing all the things, 609 00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:39,560 Speaker 1: all the while the world around us is falling apart, 610 00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:42,400 Speaker 1: and we still show up. You fall too hard for 611 00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:44,759 Speaker 1: this moment. We fall too hard for this moment. We 612 00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:48,160 Speaker 1: fall too hard to see Vice President Kamala Harris get 613 00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:51,000 Speaker 1: to where she has gotten, to walk away from it all, 614 00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,719 Speaker 1: And that was her message to us. It may not 615 00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:58,080 Speaker 1: feel like progress, but it was progress. It may hurt 616 00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:02,799 Speaker 1: like hell, but it was progress. You may be at 617 00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:07,040 Speaker 1: a loss for words, as I was all day Wednesday, 618 00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:14,759 Speaker 1: all day Thursday. But it's progress and I'm disgrateful to 619 00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:19,799 Speaker 1: be a black woman. This is my love letter to you. 620 00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:25,600 Speaker 6: There's an adage and historian once called a law of history, 621 00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:32,839 Speaker 6: true of every society across the ages. The adage is 622 00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:39,000 Speaker 6: only when it is dark enough can you see the stars. 623 00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:45,200 Speaker 1: Naked Sports written and executive produced by me Carry Champion, 624 00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:49,440 Speaker 1: produced by Jacques Thomas, sound design and mastered by Dwayne Crawford. 625 00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:53,480 Speaker 1: Associate producer Olabusayl Shabby. Naked Sports is a part of 626 00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:55,799 Speaker 1: the Black Effect podcast network in iHeartMedia