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Speaker 2: two games today to wrap up the Division round of

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Speaker 2: these NFL Playoffs, or a couple hours away from the

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Speaker 2: kickoff of the Buccaneers on the road against the Detroit Lions,

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Speaker 2: followed by the Marquee matchup this weekend the Chiefs on

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Speaker 2: the road against the Bills. Well Rich. Here we are

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Speaker 2: on a day where both number one seeds have moved

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Speaker 2: on and as we talked about, the layoff affected both

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Speaker 2: of these teams. Speaking of the Ravens, they were tied

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Speaker 2: to ten at halftime against the Houston Texans with barely

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Speaker 2: one hundred yards total offense in that first half. Second half, though,

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Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson showed why he will be the league's MVP,

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Speaker 2: finishing with two touchdown passes two rushing touchdowns. Meanwhile, on

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Speaker 2: the other side, the forty nine ers barely woke up

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Speaker 2: in time to survive their game at home against the

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Speaker 2: seven seed, the Green Bay Packer. So this gets back

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Speaker 2: to what we talked about Rich. You know the idea

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Speaker 2: that you know, you take off week eighteen, then you

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Speaker 2: have another bye week, and both of these teams looked

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Speaker 2: like they had had an extended layoffs. Their offenses were

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Speaker 2: not clicking. I don't know I understand why these coaches

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Speaker 2: insist on doing it. The Ravens were able to wake

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Speaker 2: up in the second half, but as far as the

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Speaker 2: forty nine ers, Wow, they are lucky to move on

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Speaker 2: to the next round surviving events.

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Speaker 1: That's the name of the game in the NFL playoffs.

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Speaker 1: That's the name of the game in playoffs period, especially

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Speaker 1: when we're talking about single elimination, and most of these

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Speaker 1: leagues professionally are set up that way. Look at what

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Speaker 1: the forty nine ers did, and I agree with you.

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Speaker 1: I think that the layoff, the rust that sets in,

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Speaker 1: the lack of momentum, maybe the style of practicing, and

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Speaker 1: maybe some of the injuries they were nursing down the

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Speaker 1: stretch of the regular season had an effect. Obviously, Deebo

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Speaker 1: Samuel leaves a game that's going to be a developing

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Speaker 1: story as we head into championship weekend. He had McCaffrey,

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Speaker 1: he was banged up with something on the sideline. It

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Speaker 1: didn't seem to affect his play as much as Deebo

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Speaker 1: obviously leaving the game. But there were things. And then

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Speaker 1: brock Purdy struggling in a rain game at home, hosting

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Speaker 1: his only second time in the postseason, his first time

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Speaker 1: ever as a season long starter. So there were some

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Speaker 1: you know, things and adversities that they had to overcome,

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Speaker 1: like all great teams will need to at some point.

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Speaker 1: And I do think the forty nine ers are still

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Speaker 1: a great team. I think they gave probably less than

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Speaker 1: one hundred percent of them themselves against the Green Bay Packers,

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Speaker 1: and the Packers for just about fifty seven minutes, played

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Speaker 1: a sensational football game. They did.

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Speaker 2: You know, let's stay with the forty nine ers for

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Speaker 2: a second here. I thought the one person post game

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Speaker 2: that said it right was Michael Strahan. So after the game,

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Speaker 2: obviously brock Purdy being interviewed, I thought it was a

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Speaker 2: lame question about, Hey, what are you gonna think about

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Speaker 2: years from now about this incredible comeback to get into

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Speaker 2: the NFC Championship Game. He sort of looked blindly like,

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Speaker 2: what kind of question is that? But Strahand basically said,

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Speaker 2: the forty nine Ers went in spite of brock Purty.

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Speaker 2: I mean, if it wasn't for Christian McCaffrey, the forty

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Speaker 2: nine ers are going home. Yes, McCaffrey's running. His dominance

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Speaker 2: league was on full display. Brock Purty just seemed out

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Speaker 2: of sorts, and it seemed at times to me that

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Speaker 2: the moment was a little too big for him. Now

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Speaker 2: I know, he led what turned out to be the

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Speaker 2: game winning with a big assist again from Christian McCaffrey,

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Speaker 2: But I thought Strahan was sort of saying it right,

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Speaker 2: Why are we heaping all this praise on brock party

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Speaker 2: when the fact was there were other guys that really

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Speaker 2: were the main reasons that the forty nine ers are

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Speaker 2: I you know what, We've been back and forth on

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Speaker 2: brock Purty a lot. Look, his record speaks for itself.

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Speaker 2: He's won a lot of games, and he's the right

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Speaker 2: to see what's going to happen next. Obviously, there'll be

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Speaker 2: Home next week winning the winner between Tampa Bay and Detroit.

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Speaker 2: Then the course they'll have the super Bowl. But I'm

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Speaker 2: still on the fence whether or not we can term

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Speaker 1: Well, I'll give you a comparison that comes to mind

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden after last night's game, and I

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Speaker 1: don't and think that Brock Purty deserves a tremendous amount

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Speaker 1: of what whatever you call it. Praise, I guess is

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Speaker 1: the word I'm reaching for for what he did, because

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Speaker 1: the truth is, Christian McCaffrey stole the show, and they

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Speaker 1: needed him too, because Brock was being carried by his

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Speaker 1: one game, one appearance in the postseason makes an entire career.

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Speaker 1: I also think we're talking about a very short career,

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Speaker 1: far over our skis. But I will say this early

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Speaker 1: in his career, Dak Prescott really impressed people. He was

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Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys to postseason birds and many times he's been

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Speaker 1: in the postseason. He's played in nine games. His record

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Speaker 1: is two and seven or is it two.

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Speaker 1: Two and five? Excuse me? To seven playoff games? His

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Speaker 1: thinking about how we felt about Dak when he took

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Speaker 1: Back then, we were like, whoa. The Dallas Cowboys had

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Speaker 1: And it looks like Dak Prescott is going to take

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Speaker 1: grow into a great Yeah? Absolutely? And you could see

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Speaker 1: And Brock Purdy could be heading down that path. It

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Speaker 1: is far too early to make these sort of bold proclamations,

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Speaker 1: but we can start to smell a similar scent of

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Speaker 1: off of quarterbacks like that. Kirk Cousins is another great

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Speaker 1: Brock Purdy going to amount to the next Doc Prescott?

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Speaker 2: We'll see, well, he actually is the next Jimmy Garoppolo.

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Speaker 2: He's the same guy. If you look at his numbers,

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Speaker 2: they are not all that different from Jimmy Garoppolo when

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Speaker 2: he was the quarterback of the forty nine ers. Believe me,

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Speaker 2: we're gonna get to the Cowboys situation coming up a

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Speaker 2: little bit later on this morning. But as far as

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Speaker 2: you know, if they fall short, let's say even get

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Speaker 2: by the way, the way the Ravens look right now,

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Speaker 2: if it's a rematch against the forty nine ers from

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Speaker 2: what we see in the regular season, you gotta go

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Speaker 2: with the Ravens. At this point, they just look like

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Speaker 2: But you know, this is the fourth time now in

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Speaker 2: to the NFC Championship Game. They might even be getting

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Speaker 2: to their second Super Bowl. But if they fall short.

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Speaker 2: There was a reason why they trade they draft to

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Speaker 2: they looked at what happened in Kansas City. Brock Party

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Speaker 2: The Chiefs felt like Alex Smith was obviously more than

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Speaker 2: And then they found this talent in Patrick Mahomes and

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Speaker 2: their projections proved right, and that's why the forty nine

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Speaker 2: if they do fall short this year, Kyle Sandy, I

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Speaker 2: to the drawing board if we see just pedestrian performances

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Speaker 2: and nothing elite coming out of Rock Purty. So yeah,

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Speaker 2: next week's going to be interesting again. They're hosting the

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Speaker 2: NFC Championship game. They've lost the last two NFC Championship games,

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Speaker 2: but you know, not expected to win those games, and

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Speaker 2: here they are once again. I just eating for Buck Perdy.

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Speaker 2: I like him a lot. But and and but you

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Speaker 2: and and I just think they were a little stale,

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Speaker 2: but that happens. But but I'm watching his receivers after

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Speaker 2: he would make a couple of bad throws, you know,

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Speaker 2: just he's such a low key guy, which I think

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Speaker 2: doesn't seem to really assert himself like you know, you

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Speaker 2: you know how Tom Brady is, And I think you

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Speaker 2: He has to be talked up by his teammates.

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Speaker 1: But let me give it a time out, though, because

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Speaker 1: there have been great play in many different sports who

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Speaker 1: have had very and varying different personality types. And we've

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Speaker 1: we've said that about coaches too. But then you know,

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Speaker 1: You know, you'll have You'll have players like Kawhi Leonard

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Speaker 1: don't I don't really attack anybody's personality trope unless it

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Speaker 1: does appear to be a problem. The forty nine ers

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Speaker 1: to have a coolness in big moments that is uncharacteristic

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Speaker 1: to his age. The one part of your diatribe that

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Speaker 1: somebody whose confidence was shaken a little bit in brock Purty.

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Speaker 1: And that is a concern. But I don't think. I

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Speaker 1: Completely agree. Jerry Jones says his hand way too far

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Speaker 2: So you know what, Jerry, Unfortunately for you, your ego which

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Speaker 1: Well, and what brings to what all of a sudden

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Speaker 1: the other side of the update, because I'm telling you

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Speaker 1: there is a coach out there who when you look

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Speaker 1: at him and Mike McCarthy, they are the same guy

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Speaker 1: on paper. We feel very differently about them. We feel

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Speaker 1: extremely different about them. And frankly, we feel differently about

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Speaker 1: these two franchises, the Dallas Cowboys and the franchise I'm

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Speaker 1: talking about. But they're both one of these, you know,

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Speaker 1: blue blood franchises in the NFL. They're both got coaches

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Speaker 1: who have been around the block for a long time.

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Speaker 1: But we feel very differently, but they look identical on paper.

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Speaker 2: All right, that's a tease to find out where we're

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Speaker 2: going with this with Riz right now, let's find out

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Speaker 2: what it's trending no MONTCI today because Brian Fanlay has

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Speaker 2: jumped into the frame today.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and they couldn't find anybody else, so they said

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Speaker 5: this Klow, let's put him on.

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Speaker 2: We Ben is in the house now. Somebody was nice

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Speaker 2: enough to bring in some donuts today. Did you see those?

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Speaker 1: I did? Oh?

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Speaker 2: And some bagels. I know it wasn't you, because you

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Speaker 2: would never do some thing.

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Speaker 1: Steve.

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Speaker 2: Once in a millennium, I buy a pizza here, but

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Speaker 2: that's about it, just a personal pizza, though, by the way,

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Speaker 2: you did post a photo of you in your natural habitat,

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Speaker 2: which is the fox reposted that I did. I didn't

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Speaker 2: know you knew how to repost. I didn't need either.

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Speaker 2: And then I saw this button. I pushed it and

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Speaker 2: it worked.

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Speaker 5: But you know, it's like I feel like because where

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Speaker 5: we are rich as you know, these thick walls of

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Speaker 5: windows and clear windows. It says, if we're all in

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Speaker 5: the next exhibit. So I'm looking at Steve like he's

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Speaker 5: an exhibit, and it's it's just like all my habitat.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, if you do that with Stevens, if you look

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Speaker 1: at him almost like a wild animal and captivation, Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's it's it's a little bit easier, it's a little

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Speaker 1: bit easier to process.

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Speaker 5: You feel more so like that when he goes as

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Speaker 5: you know, rich, like during a break or captive. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: he'll he'll change from what he's wearing right now to

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Speaker 5: television and he'll be putting makeup on during a commercial break,

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Speaker 5: and that's when he really is out of control.

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Speaker 2: I have done that on occasion. You gotta do what

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Speaker 2: you gotta do.

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Speaker 1: You do what I mean.

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Speaker 2: I'd like to be organized. I like to be simplify things,

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Speaker 2: organize things, and you know riches in San Diego today,

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Speaker 2: because we don't have ten games going on simultaneously, heads

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Speaker 2: are spinning. Yeah, our heads are spinning. So in the

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Speaker 2: absence of any NFL action right now, BeFAN, what are

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Speaker 2: you doing with yourself?

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Speaker 5: Well, what we do know? And you said that there

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Speaker 5: was something about a tease. There's something involving Chip Kelly,

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Speaker 5: you guys at a second. But yes, as you know,

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Speaker 5: we do have only two games today NFL wise Division

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Speaker 5: Round playoffs.

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Speaker 2: They kick back up today. Lion's hosting the Bucks.

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Speaker 5: Three Eastern and the Lions are in discussions with contract

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Speaker 5: extension talk with Jared Goff, their quarterback.

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Speaker 2: That'll happen more so in the off season.

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Speaker 5: Cording to Network in the Bucks and their QB Baker

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Speaker 5: Mayfield have a shared interest in trying to sort through

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Speaker 5: a new deal or potentially franchise tagging him for next season. Also,

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Speaker 5: of course, today we've got the Bills and they've got

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Speaker 5: a date with the Chiefs at six thirty Eastern time,

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Speaker 5: and some injury news regarding that game. Bill's cornerback Russell

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Speaker 5: Douglas dealing with the knee injury feels it as if

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Speaker 5: he's a strong possibility to play against the Chiefs. Terrell Bernard,

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Speaker 5: the linebacker for Buffalo, with an ankle issue, probably not

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Speaker 5: going to be seeing him on the field today, but

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Speaker 5: Buffalo dB Taron Johnson is now out of concussion protocol,

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Speaker 5: so there is a strong chance that you will see

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Speaker 5: him hit the field against Kansas City. ESPN is reporting

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Speaker 5: Trey Young, the Atlanta Hawks star guard, is sidelined and

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Speaker 5: definitely with the concussion. Now, Rich and Steve, I want

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Speaker 5: to get you to my own version of a tease,

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Speaker 5: because I know, Steve you mentioned the teas going into

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Speaker 5: the update here. But according to CBS, there are more

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Speaker 5: than one phil Head coach that is looking at potentially

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Speaker 5: adding Chip Kelly. They've reached out to chip Kelly's camp

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Speaker 5: about filling the role of an offensive coordinator in the

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Speaker 5: NFL multiple teams. According to this source, Steven Rich I beg.

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Speaker 2: Them to hire him.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I.

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Speaker 3: Am.

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Speaker 2: I have hit the wall with Chip Kelly. I'm done

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Speaker 2: with chip Kelly. His time at UCLA has been very forgettable,

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Speaker 2: to say the least, and it's time for UCLA and

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Speaker 2: make it change. And the only reason they haven't made

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Speaker 2: a change, is still on the hook for a big

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Speaker 2: portion of his contract. So some NFL team is willing

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Speaker 2: to hire sixty year old Chip Kelly as our offensive

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Speaker 2: coordinator to install an offense that worked I don't know

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Speaker 2: what ten years ago at Oregon. Go for it? Who

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Speaker 2: gets you so farhead by my chip, don't let the

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Speaker 2: door hit you on the way out. But then who's

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Speaker 2: going to replace him with anybody?

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 2: Wow, I'm sure that now that UCLA is moving into

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Speaker 2: the big ten, it's an attractive job and we can

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Speaker 2: actually get somebody in there that's going to be more

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Speaker 2: than a five hundred coach. How's that?

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Speaker 1: Okay?

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much. All right, Defen, thank you very

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Speaker 2: much once again. This is Fox Sports Red Zone Radio.

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Speaker 1: All Right.

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Speaker 2: So we were talking about, you know, the situation in Dallas,

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Speaker 2: and we were talking about the Mike McCarthy situation, and

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Speaker 2: you teased Rich another coach with a very similar resume

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Speaker 2: to that of Mike McCarthy.

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Speaker 1: Well, when you look at Mike McCarthy and you say, okay,

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Speaker 1: what does Mike McCarthy really really do? Well, Well, he

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Speaker 1: wins in the regular season. There's no doubt about that.

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Speaker 1: We're a long time away from the twenty ten regular

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Speaker 1: season where they went to the Super Bowl and won it.

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Speaker 1: After that, it's been a lot of, you know, one

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Speaker 1: game in bounce type situations for McCarthy in Green Bay

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Speaker 1: or now with Dallas, and he's on a tear in

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Speaker 1: Dallas in the regular season twelve and five seasons. The

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Speaker 1: past three years. Dak Prescott has looked good when healthy,

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Speaker 1: and he's really been able to heat the wheels on

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Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys when he hasn't been And I'd like

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Speaker 1: to point out that he doesn't really get his flowers

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Speaker 1: for that. There was a lot of credit given to

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Speaker 1: Kellen Moore during that time period, and I'm not saying

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Speaker 1: that he had a ton more to do with the

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Speaker 1: offense when Kellen Moore was there. Maybe he really let

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Speaker 1: go of the reins and it was Moore's show as

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Speaker 1: the OC. But he's the head coach, and we oftentimes

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Speaker 1: there are coaches who we give all the credit for

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Speaker 1: their offense, and there's coaches who are offensive minded head

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Speaker 1: coach who we give zero credit for And McCarthy is

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Speaker 1: one of those guys. He's like an easy target. But

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Speaker 1: if you look over the course of his career as

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Speaker 1: a coach. His win loss percentage is six hundred and twenty.

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Speaker 1: Then you compare him to Mike Tomlin, who has a

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Speaker 1: win loss percentage of six thirty three. Those numbers aren't

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Speaker 1: too far off. Okay. Then you look at the postseason

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Speaker 1: and you say, well, there's been this story about how

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Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy is kind of a loser in the postseason

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Speaker 1: after that one Super Bowl championship. And you look at

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Speaker 1: the record and you say, okay, yeah, Mike McCarthy, he's

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Speaker 1: an eleven and eleven coach in the postseason, a perfect

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Speaker 1: five hundred record right there. Well, then you look at

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Speaker 1: Mike Tomlin, eight and ten in the postseason, only won

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl Championship. He's he's a worst coach if we're

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Speaker 1: talking about wins and losses in the postseason. But everybody

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Speaker 1: seems very comfortable in Pittsburgh to hang with Mike Tomlin,

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Speaker 1: to keep him on the staff, and everybody's very comfortable

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Speaker 1: with the idea that we need to get Mike McCarthy

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Speaker 1: out the door in Dallas. And my question is why,

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Speaker 1: why why do we look at it? What context do

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Speaker 1: you want do you want to inject in this conversation

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Speaker 1: to defend Tomlin or diminish Mike McCarthy. Why are these

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Speaker 1: coaches looked at so different?

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Speaker 2: Well, the difference is this quarterback. I mean, Mike McCarthy

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Speaker 2: has a quarterback. In fact, Mike McCarthy's had a quarterback

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Speaker 2: his entire head coaching career. He started with Brett Farvey,

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Speaker 2: he had Andrew, Aaron Rodgers, and now he has Dak Prescott.

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Speaker 2: I mean, the last.

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Speaker 1: Time will Ben Roethlisberger.

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Speaker 2: When he was an effective quarterback, they were a championship

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Speaker 2: level team.

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Speaker 1: Will he go into the Hall of Fame?

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Speaker 2: Probably?

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Speaker 1: Okay, Aaron Rodgers is a Hall of Famer too, So

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Speaker 1: both of them coach were there with Hall of famers

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Speaker 1: and both of them only got one Super Bowl.

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Speaker 2: Well, I agree with you, but I think look, the

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Speaker 2: tolerance in Pittsburgh's a little bit different than it is

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Speaker 2: in Dallas. One because of the Pittsburgh Steelers and not

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Speaker 2: the Dallas Cowboys. We talk about the Cowboys because Jerry

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Speaker 2: Jones insist that we focused on America's team. I understand

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Speaker 2: what you're talking about. The parallel in the records of

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Speaker 2: these two coaches. There's a lot of coaches like this.

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Speaker 2: He Carol was that in Seattle. He had one championship.

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Speaker 2: Look at his career record. Sean Payton one championship, look

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Speaker 2: at his career record. These guys can put up these

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Speaker 2: six hundred plus winning percentages on the regular season, and

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Speaker 2: very few coaches get to the promised land. That was

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Speaker 2: Andy Reid forever until Patrick Mahomes and all of a

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Speaker 2: sudden he had the quarterback to get over the top.

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Speaker 2: This is what I This is something you love to

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Speaker 2: talk about and that coaches are interchangeable. But you talk

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Speaker 2: about that in baseball, managers are meaningless. You know, NBA whatever,

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Speaker 2: NBA coaches. Half of these coaches that win championships you

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Speaker 2: can't even remember their names. But somehow you hold NFL

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Speaker 2: coaches at a different standard in terms of their importance

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Speaker 2: to the overall success of the team. And I say

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Speaker 2: every championship coach, with rare exception, I would say every

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Speaker 2: but with rare exception, their success is tied to a

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Speaker 2: great quarterback. Where it was Paul Brown with Otto Graham,

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Speaker 2: whether it's Joe Montana and Bill Walsh, and obviously Belichick

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Speaker 2: with Tom Brady, it's the same story over and over again.

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Speaker 2: So I don't know, I mean the idea of changing

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Speaker 2: coaches in Pittsburgh is not going to change the fact

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Speaker 2: that their third string quarterback turned out to be the

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Speaker 2: most effective quarterback this season.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think context matters, and I'm really one of

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Speaker 1: these people in the camp believing that Mike Tomlin is

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Speaker 1: a pretty dog on good coach. And if it was

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Speaker 1: a situation where you said, hey, Rich, you know your

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Speaker 1: life depends on it, you have to have one coach

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Speaker 1: to get you through the postseason. Who you're going with,

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Speaker 1: I'm going with Mike Tomlin. But it's just interesting how

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Speaker 1: narratives focus on certain coaches and not others. It's very strange.

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Speaker 1: And you just pointed out two more. Sean Payton's a

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Speaker 1: good example. Also, there are coaches who are just considered good,

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Speaker 1: like we've made up our minds, the national narrative, the

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Speaker 1: local narrative. In many places, these coaches coach they're good.

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Speaker 1: Then there's some coaches who have had abundant success. Mike

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Speaker 1: McCarthy is a success football coach, and we look at

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Speaker 1: them and we say bad, we say a problem. And

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Speaker 1: now again I'm one of them. Context matters. I feel

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Speaker 1: like Tomlin's better, you know, managing the clock. I feel

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Speaker 1: like he's he's a better situational football coach. I feel

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Speaker 1: like since Ben Roethlisberger has left the Pittsburgh Steelers, he

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Speaker 1: has been given less and has done more than I

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Speaker 1: believe Mike McCarthy could have done in the same situation.

651
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Speaker 1: Although these two things are not equal because I don't know,

652
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Speaker 1: I've never seen Mike McCarthy in that situation outside of

653
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Speaker 1: one year where Dak couldn't step in, and he's still

654
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Speaker 1: won twelve games in Dallas recently, so you know, and

655
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 1: by the way, that was with Andy Dalton and Ben

656
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Speaker 1: Denucci and you remember the year. I mean, they still

657
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Speaker 1: manage twelve wins. Look, my point is, my point is

658
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Speaker 1: context matters in sports, It matters in all conversations. It

659
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Speaker 1: matters in life a great deal. But when people start

660
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Speaker 1: attacking Mike mcca and they start saying, hey, you know what,

661
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Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy wins in the regular season, but he doesn't

662
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Speaker 1: win in the postseason, Well, Mike Tomlin has a worst

663
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Speaker 1: postseason record than Mike McCarthy. So how is that the

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Speaker 1: Rubik scale that we're or the the grating scale that

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Speaker 1: we're gonna put coaches on, because it doesn't work it

666
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 1: doesn't work. If you feel strongly about Mike Tomlin being

667
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 1: a good head coach, you have to throw away that

668
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Speaker 1: argument because McCarthy, when it comes to wins and losses,

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Speaker 1: is better in the postseason.

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Speaker 2: All right, coming up on the other side, we're going

671
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Speaker 2: to talk about another coach. This is the story that

672
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Speaker 2: has come out this week that above all the other

673
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Speaker 2: stories you've been hearing about, makes no sense, no sense

674
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Speaker 2: at all. We'll explain. This is Fox Sports Red Zone Radio.

675
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Speaker 2: Steve Harbin, Rich Armburger, this is Fox Sports Red Zone Radio.

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Speaker 2: We are live from the tirerack dot Com studios. Saturday

677
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Speaker 2: days a newsday around the NFL always have big news.

678
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Speaker 2: But there is one story brewing that makes absolutely no

679
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Speaker 2: sense to me, and that is Bill Belichick to the

680
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Speaker 2: Atlanta Falcons. Now I'm looking at the situation. He's had

681
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Speaker 2: two interviews already Arthur Blank Obviously he's ready to hire

682
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Speaker 2: him in a heartbeat. He wants to get Bill Belichick,

683
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Speaker 2: and I'm trying to figure this out. From Belichick's standpoint,

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Speaker 2: if any coach understands the importance of having a quarterback,

685
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Speaker 2: it's Bill Belichick. Tom Brady won him championships since then,

686
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Speaker 2: not so much. And unless he sees something in Desmond

687
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:39,239
Speaker 2: Ritterer that the rest of the world does not see,

688
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:42,400
Speaker 2: that is a dead end job. Now if Belichick has

689
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Speaker 2: only hell bent on getting the old time record for wins,

690
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Speaker 2: by the way, just for the record, he enters next

691
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Speaker 2: season needing one more loss to break the tide that

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Speaker 2: he currently has with Dan Reeves and my former high

693
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Speaker 2: school classmate Jeff Fisher for most career losses in the

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Speaker 2: regular season in NFL history. So he'll get that record

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Speaker 2: before he gets the wins record. But look, you played

696
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Speaker 2: for this man. This guy's about winning championships. I thought,

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Speaker 2: you know how, it's sort of sad when you've seen

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Speaker 2: some great players tagging you remember, like EMMITTT. Smith was

699
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Speaker 2: with the Arizona Cardinals at the end, and you know

700
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Speaker 2: you see guys tagging on at the end. I didn't

701
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:25,839
Speaker 2: think Belichick was that kind of guy. But apparently he's

702
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Speaker 2: so desperate to get any job where he could you know,

703
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:33,279
Speaker 2: two or three years he could finally crawl across the

704
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Speaker 2: finish line as the winning as coach in NFL history.

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Speaker 2: Does he honestly believe that the Atlanta Falcons have the

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Speaker 2: makeup to win a Super Bowl. Why would he be

707
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Speaker 2: interested in this job? Is it only because right now

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Speaker 2: it doesn't appear he has any other options?

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Speaker 1: Well, I don't think he's gonna have many options in

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Speaker 1: terms of interest in handing over the entirety of the

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Speaker 1: decision making function of an organization to one person. And

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Speaker 1: that's what I imagine the Atlanta Falcons are prepared to

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Speaker 1: do if Bill Belichick becomes their next head coach, because

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Speaker 1: I think that's the structure that he's operated on under

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Speaker 1: his entire career as a head coach. It's been his show.

716
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 1: He is always the final word on every decision. And

717
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 1: by the way, there has been great collaborative moments in

718
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 1: New England, and many of the coaches' former coaches who

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Speaker 1: have passed through there have talked about those collaborations and

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Speaker 1: have spoken about Bill as a great listener and somebody

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Speaker 1: who will take input and will change his mind like

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Speaker 1: he will bend to the will of other people in

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Speaker 1: the office. But at the end of the day, those

724
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Speaker 1: people do not have final say. There's nobody who's his

725
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 1: equal in New England. And that was the same structure

726
00:38:57,239 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 1: he built in Cleveland before he came to New England.

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00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 1: Like Bill, it's his way or the highway. And so

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Speaker 1: I think the reason why the Falcons are such a

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Speaker 1: hot name or a team that's so hot on his

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Speaker 1: trail is because they are one of the only organizations

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Speaker 1: who are willing to seed complete control to one person,

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Speaker 1: and that's what he's looking for.

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Speaker 2: To me, it's sad. Now, I guess the only thing

734
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Speaker 2: I could say about joining the Atlanta Falcons. They're in

735
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Speaker 2: a winnable division. Yeah, you got the Saints, he got

736
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Speaker 2: the Bucks, he got the Panthers.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So again, yearning year out nine and eight can get

739
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Speaker 2: the job done to get you into the postseason. Atlanta

740
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Speaker 2: has the eighth pick in the draft. I got, yes,

741
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Speaker 2: Atlanta City at number eight after their seven and ten season. Now,

742
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Speaker 2: by the way, you could get a quarterback in number eight.

743
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Speaker 2: I remember we have obviously Kayleb Williams and Drake May

744
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Speaker 2: projected to be the top two picks in certain orders

745
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Speaker 2: at the top. But you still have Jane Daniels, bo Nicks,

746
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 2: you got Michael Pennix Junior, There's JJ McCarthy. There are

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Speaker 2: other quarterbacks gonna be available in this draft. Do you

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Speaker 2: believe that if Belichick gets that job, that he's going

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Speaker 2: to table quarterback with the eighth overall pick in the draft,

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Speaker 2: or even try to engineer a deal to move up

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Speaker 2: in the.

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Speaker 1: Draft, or or potentially sign a free agent like a

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Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins. I think it's very it's very likely if

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00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 1: he takes over in Atlanta, there's gonna be movement at

755
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 1: the most important position. And I mean, don't don't don't

756
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Speaker 1: don't miss, don't mistake in the fact that there may

757
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:38,279
Speaker 1: be some retired players who'd be interested come back.

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Speaker 2: All right, well, we'll talk about that on the other side.

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Speaker 2: Preview the games coming up today. This is Fox Sports

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Speaker 2: Red Zone Radio. Run along on this NFL Playoffs Sunday.

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Speaker 2: We're an hour away from kickoff as the Detroit Lions

768
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:13,319
Speaker 2: coming out their first playoff game victory since nineteen ninety one.

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Speaker 2: We'll hosts Baker Mayfield and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Now, Rich,

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Speaker 2: we have a bit of a dilemma. Go ahead, coming

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Speaker 2: up in an hour. Chris, of course is not just

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Speaker 2: a lifelong Lions fan, but he's very much involved in

773
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Speaker 2: talking to Lions fans. I mean, Chris, tell us about

774
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 2: your show that you have been doing for years in

775
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 2: relation to the Detroit Lions.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it is called Pride to Detroit the pod cast.

777
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 6: We've been running it since before the season in twenty fifteen,

778
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 6: so this is year nine. We're on right now. We've

779
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:53,280
Speaker 6: had a massive following that's taken on. We've We've interviewed

780
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Speaker 6: Barry Sanders, Amon Ross, Saint Brown, We've interviewed Douce Staley

781
00:41:57,200 --> 00:41:59,720
Speaker 6: when he was a coach. We've kind of gone wherever

782
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:03,360
Speaker 6: have big charity drives. It's but it's it's a community

783
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Speaker 6: around the podcast as well. So yes, I talked with many, many,

784
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Speaker 6: many many many fans.

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Speaker 1: Well.

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Speaker 2: Part of the credibility of your show is the fact

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Speaker 2: you are a Lions fan. I mean, you know, and

788
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 2: and a lot of people in our industry try to

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Speaker 2: stay away from that term fan. I never have. I've

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Speaker 2: made it clear I'm a fan of teams, I hate teams. Okay,

791
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Speaker 2: So I made that infinitely clear my entire broadcasting career

792
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Speaker 2: of thirty five years. So you bring credibility to Lions

793
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Speaker 2: fans because you live and breathe it. I mean, you

794
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Speaker 2: heeled the ecstasy of winning and obviously the pain of defeat,

795
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Speaker 2: which brings us to this game coming up that's going

796
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Speaker 2: to kick off in an hour. What is your state

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Speaker 2: of mind right now? Let's get a little insight from

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Speaker 2: him Rich here on Chris's state of mind. You're hosting

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Speaker 2: a Tampa Bay Buccaneers team. The Lions, I believe are

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Speaker 2: six and a half point favorites, prohibitive favorites to win

801
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:02,359
Speaker 2: this game at home. Are you nervous about this game?

802
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 2: And once the game kicks off, how focused will you

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Speaker 2: be on the game in terms of any attention you'll

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Speaker 2: actually pretend to have for this show?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean we are. You know, it's as they

806
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:15,879
Speaker 6: say of old radio, we are the voice of the fan.

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00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:19,759
Speaker 6: We're credentialed. I have guys going to this game. I'm

808
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 6: not as nervous as last week, just because the weight

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Speaker 6: of that demon of thirty two years is off your shoulders.

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Speaker 6: On the other hand, I think you know people then

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Speaker 6: immediately move the goalposts. I don't even think fans are

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Speaker 6: really the ones doing it, but there's expectations. There's people

813
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Speaker 6: in our industry who that wasn't good enough to just

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Speaker 6: have a division winning.

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Speaker 2: Are you talking about Rob Parker, another man that's followed

816
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Speaker 2: Detroit sports for many years.

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Speaker 6: Well, he's been out of Detroit Sports for as many

818
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Speaker 6: years too. Yes, but I think I'm a little more

819
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Speaker 6: relaxed versus last week. I'll just say you're glad I

820
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Speaker 6: wasn't here when Lions RAMS was on the air. I

821
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Speaker 6: was a dissociating mess for that. I think any Lions

822
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Speaker 6: game is a exercise in I think any football game, really,

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Speaker 6: if you are a fan, is an exercise in stress

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Speaker 6: and anxiety and how much you can really put up

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Speaker 6: with it. This Buccaneers team looks a lot like the Rams.

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Speaker 6: I think some people aren't giving the Buccaneers enough credit

827
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Speaker 6: for how well they've played this season down the stretch,

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Speaker 6: and Baker Mayfield's kind of had some big time throws

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Speaker 6: over the Eagles. I still favored the Lions to win

830
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Speaker 6: this game, and I think Lions fans coming and feeling

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Speaker 6: a little more confident versus last week. But as far

832
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Speaker 6: as the show, I'm going to try to have my attention,

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Speaker 6: but try as the operative for it.

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Speaker 1: Well.

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Speaker 2: After watching Puka Nakua destroy the Lions secondary last week,

836
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Speaker 2: I would imagine that the talented array of receivers that

837
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Speaker 2: the Buccaneers have are also going to have a field day.

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Speaker 2: This is gonna be a shootout game. The Lions are favored,

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Speaker 2: and they should be. By the way, quick note here Rich.

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Speaker 2: On Monday, the day after the Rams were defeated by

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Speaker 2: the Lions, my ex your dear friend and mine, Denise,

842
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:03,280
Speaker 2: I was sitting with one Tyler Higbee. She was sitting

843
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Speaker 2: with Tyler Higby in his home his fiance soon flash wife,

844
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Speaker 2: and she wasn't home yet and they have a one

845
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Speaker 2: year old and she was helping watch the one year

846
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Speaker 2: old as Tyler was sitting there with his blown acl

847
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Speaker 2: MCL crack ribs and broken rib courtesy of one Kirby Joseph, who,

848
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 2: by the way, did the same thing to TJ. Hockinson

849
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Speaker 2: a few weeks earlier. I threw it out at Chris yesterday.

850
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Speaker 2: I didn't want to hear this dirty dirty is what

851
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Speaker 2: I say, dirty play. I love how they're trying to

852
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Speaker 2: blame Matthew Stafford from throwing the pass. I want to

853
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 2: get your thoughts on what happened this week with Kirby

854
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:43,319
Speaker 2: Joseph Tyler Higby taking out yet another tight end with

855
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Speaker 2: a hit to the knee. He defended it saying, well,

856
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:47,840
Speaker 2: they say don't hit the head, so I'm going to

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Speaker 2: hit low. What are your thoughts on this, Well.

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Speaker 1: I think that he's right to a certain extent that

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Speaker 1: the NFL and the restrictions that they've placed on defenders

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Speaker 1: is I'm not gonna call it unfair because at the

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Speaker 1: end of the day, these are highly trained athletes who

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00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:11,319
Speaker 1: are getting paid boatloads of money to perform this very

863
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 1: specific skill set, and they get a lot of attention

864
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 1: and a lot of acclaim and like I said, they're

865
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:22,840
Speaker 1: compensated very well to play the game within the rules

866
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:25,279
Speaker 1: of the game. There are plenty of guys over the

867
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:27,280
Speaker 1: course of my career before I got to the NFL,

868
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:31,719
Speaker 1: whether it be in high school or collegiately, who just

869
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:35,359
Speaker 1: couldn't figure out how to play the game within the

870
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 1: rules of the game. You know, they were penalized too often,

871
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:44,279
Speaker 1: whether it be for holding as an offensive lineman or

872
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 1: maybe they were a dirty player, and it was too

873
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:48,880
Speaker 1: much after the whistle. You know, they couldn't keep their

874
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 1: composure hottheads is what we call them, right, Yeah, there

875
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 1: were plenty of guys they wash out eventually, you know.

876
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:58,360
Speaker 1: So if you're going to hurt your team in big moments,

877
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 1: you know, and I realized that there was no flag

878
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 1: thrown in that playoff game. But if you're gonna hurt

879
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 1: your team in big moments and and you end up

880
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:10,440
Speaker 1: costing your team wins and and playoff wins as a

881
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 1: result of your inability to play within the rules, well,

882
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:17,399
Speaker 1: eventually you'll get found out. You know, whether it's by

883
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 1: the league or or by the teams that you play for.

884
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:22,279
Speaker 1: They're not going to be able to trust you, and

885
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 1: you'll get washed out in the interim. You can also

886
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:30,319
Speaker 1: really severely injure somebody if you do things outside of

887
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 1: the rules that they've put in place. So I'll put

888
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 1: it this way, and I'll put it plainly. Football is

889
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:39,400
Speaker 1: a violent sport. There's an enormous number of injuries on

890
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:41,960
Speaker 1: a weekly basis, you know, during the regular season and

891
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:45,439
Speaker 1: even in the postseason, it's one hundred percent injury rate.

892
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 1: So when somebody goes out there and they get hurt.

893
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 1: It doesn't break my heart because it's a part of

894
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 1: the game. It is as much a part of the

895
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:56,359
Speaker 1: game as touchdowns and and you know, and and and

896
00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:59,759
Speaker 1: successful field goal tries and all the other things. But

897
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:04,239
Speaker 1: when somebody gets known to be a dirty player and

898
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 1: it happens consistently time after time after time, like avontez

899
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:13,799
Speaker 1: Perfect or now Kirby Joseph, if this continues, well, then

900
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 1: all of a sudden you start to have a problem

901
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:18,400
Speaker 1: with that player. It's too early to say. If Kirby

902
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 1: Joseph is truly like this, the die is cast and

903
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:24,680
Speaker 1: he's just a dirty player. But he's heading down that route.

904
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 2: It's funny. Yesterday I was talking Eat from Salam about

905
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:30,359
Speaker 2: during his thirteen year run in the NFL. I say,

906
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:33,400
Speaker 2: dirty player. Give me a name. He didn't hesitate. Rodney Harrison.

907
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:35,200
Speaker 1: There's another one, yeah, who, by the way, is.

908
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:37,439
Speaker 2: One of the fifteen finalists for the Pro Football Hall

909
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:45,320
Speaker 2: of Fame. Uh okay. I want to get back to Chris. Chris,

910
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:47,359
Speaker 2: if you could jump on for a moment here, when

911
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 2: the Rams and the Lions made the swap into quarterbacks,

912
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:52,440
Speaker 2: and of course the Rams had to throw in a

913
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:54,800
Speaker 2: couple of number ones to get out of that huge

914
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:57,960
Speaker 2: contract that they had signed to Jared Goff. The proventional

915
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:01,080
Speaker 2: thinking was there was more values in picks than Goff,

916
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 2: and no one thought, all right, well, Goff will be

917
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:05,719
Speaker 2: there for a couple of years and then they have

918
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:10,400
Speaker 2: to find themselves a quarterback. Now, obviously it has completely

919
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:14,279
Speaker 2: changed and you're looking at extending his deal. Are you

920
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 2: ready to hand Jared Goff what's the going right now?

921
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:20,600
Speaker 2: Fifty million a year? But isn't that right for an

922
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:24,320
Speaker 2: extended deal? Are you ready to offer Jared Goff fifty

923
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:29,680
Speaker 2: million a year and extending his deal as the Lions quarterback.

924
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 6: Look, it's a tricky situation. On top of it, I

925
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:34,840
Speaker 6: think you are right that when he came to Detroit,

926
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:36,959
Speaker 6: Jared Goff was seen and I thought at the time

927
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 6: that it was basically more or less a salary dump.

928
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 6: You need to get Jared Goff off the books from

929
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 6: la and send him to Detroit. And you know, he

930
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:47,320
Speaker 6: struggled the first year they made the change with the

931
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:50,600
Speaker 6: offensive where near to Anthony Lynn to Ben Johnson, they

932
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:53,360
Speaker 6: settled down and they had already had this making of

933
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 6: a great offensive line. They added Piney Sewel, and suddenly

934
00:49:56,960 --> 00:49:59,719
Speaker 6: Jared Goff's comfortable. Not only is he comfortable, now he's

935
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:02,080
Speaker 6: got weapons around him. Now he's got a system that

936
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:06,279
Speaker 6: works for him, and he's really transformed himself back into

937
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:08,759
Speaker 6: what he was early, what we saw in la He

938
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:11,919
Speaker 6: kind of found the mojo again and he really has

939
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:16,359
Speaker 6: developed very well. I am a I am probably in

940
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 6: favor of an extension. The question for the Lions is

941
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:21,719
Speaker 6: going to be exactly that the number, because they have

942
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 6: a lot invested in their offensive line. That offensive line

943
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:28,360
Speaker 6: is where their offense starts. It starts with Taylor Decker,

944
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 6: with Piney Sewel, Frank Ragnow you have to pay all

945
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:34,399
Speaker 6: those guys. You have a budding superstar in aman Ras

946
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 6: Saint Brown who has outperformed every expectation except for mine.

947
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:40,839
Speaker 6: When he came out of the draft. I remember doing

948
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:43,239
Speaker 6: the Draft show and my co host was like, why

949
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:45,920
Speaker 6: are you raving about a fourth round slot receiver? And

950
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:48,160
Speaker 6: I'm just like, just wait, just wait. But he's another

951
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:49,600
Speaker 6: guy you'll have to pay. You'll have to pay a

952
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:51,920
Speaker 6: lot of these big skill positions down the road, like

953
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:55,239
Speaker 6: you have to figure out the number. But Jared Goff

954
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:57,200
Speaker 6: is the one who runs the offense right now, and

955
00:50:57,320 --> 00:50:59,800
Speaker 6: I don't I don't know what the alternative is for

956
00:50:59,880 --> 00:51:03,080
Speaker 6: the Lions right now. They do have Hendon Hooker they

957
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:05,319
Speaker 6: drafted this past year, and he's learning the system well,

958
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:07,400
Speaker 6: but I don't think anyone expects him to do what

959
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:10,880
Speaker 6: Jared Goff has been doing so far in about two

960
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 6: and a half years in Detroit. Well, Rich, I mean,

961
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:15,279
Speaker 6: we have the similar situation with Dak Prescott and his

962
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:17,920
Speaker 6: next deal in Dallas. I mean again, when we look

963
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:23,359
Speaker 6: at Jared Goff, is he willing or well, I mean,

964
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:25,480
Speaker 6: is he willing to take less? I never heard a

965
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 6: quarterback willing to take less unless his name was Tom Brady.

966
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 6: And obviously Jared Goff doesn't have the same endorsement deal.

967
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:38,719
Speaker 6: So I'm just wondering, from your standpoint, is Goff replaceable?

968
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:44,359
Speaker 1: Yeah? He is. I don't think Jared Goff is one

969
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:48,399
Speaker 1: of those quarterbacks that you know, when I watch his game,

970
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:52,320
Speaker 1: I think to myself, oh man, there is an area

971
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 1: or an aspect of his game that cannot be replicated.

972
00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:58,719
Speaker 1: I feel that way when I watch Lamar Jackson. I

973
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 1: feel that way when I watch Patrick Mahomes. I feel

974
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:04,080
Speaker 1: that way when I watch Josh Allen, You know, I

975
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:07,960
Speaker 1: feel that way when I watched Peyton Manning, Tom Brady,

976
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:12,360
Speaker 1: Drew Brees, like there were aspects to these players games

977
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:18,839
Speaker 1: that were unbelievably accelerated beyond all the other competition at

978
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:21,759
Speaker 1: the position. I don't feel that way with Jared Goff.

979
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:25,080
Speaker 1: Now that doesn't mean that he can't get hot and

980
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:28,680
Speaker 1: have a season or a postseason where you know, he

981
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:31,360
Speaker 1: looks virtually unbeatable. I mean, for crying out loud, the

982
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:33,880
Speaker 1: Philadelphia Eagles beat Tom Brady in the Super Bowl with

983
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:37,640
Speaker 1: Nick Foles, so it can happen. But I just don't

984
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 1: I just don't see Jared Goff elevating himself at this

985
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:47,560
Speaker 1: point in his career to somebody who's intangibly much better

986
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:54,440
Speaker 1: than or can place himself amongst the elite passers in

987
00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:59,960
Speaker 1: the league. So if Detroit, I mean, if it's possible

988
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:04,440
Speaker 1: to find a quarterback in the draft like the Kansas

989
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:08,600
Speaker 1: City Chiefs did barring a Super Bowl victory here this season,

990
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:11,360
Speaker 1: because maybe you'd have an open revolt from the fans.

991
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:13,600
Speaker 1: But if you can find a way to draft a

992
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:19,919
Speaker 1: quarterback after this playoff run and train that quarterback under

993
00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:23,040
Speaker 1: Goff and have that quarterback catch up like the Chiefs

994
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:26,200
Speaker 1: did with Alex Smith and Patrick Mahomes, like the Green

995
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:29,759
Speaker 1: Bay Packers did with Aaron Rodgers and and Jordan Love.

996
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:32,640
Speaker 1: I think that would be the best decision for Detroit movie.

997
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:35,360
Speaker 6: I think the big question is two things too. Is

998
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:38,120
Speaker 6: number one, like you you already saw you talked about

999
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 6: a fan revolt. You already have seen people mobbing Jared

1000
00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:44,280
Speaker 6: Goff's car after this win. And he's had some games

1001
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:47,800
Speaker 6: where he's been able to dominate on the offenses. Happened

1002
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:51,400
Speaker 6: enough that people like just trust him in Detroit a

1003
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:54,640
Speaker 6: little bit more. I think, Chris Here's the other thing

1004
00:53:54,719 --> 00:53:55,760
Speaker 6: is like those guys.

1005
00:53:56,960 --> 00:54:00,880
Speaker 1: Would you stake Detroit's future on Jared Goff's Like, like

1006
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 1: we're talking about, you have an opportunity potentially to trade

1007
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:07,840
Speaker 1: up a quarterback slides you know, there's somebody high value

1008
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:10,520
Speaker 1: that's falling to your draft position, or you can make

1009
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:13,560
Speaker 1: a run at by just moving some draft assets.

1010
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:16,120
Speaker 6: But do you though, like we do this every year,

1011
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:18,840
Speaker 6: we just assume those guys that you mentioned, Lamar Jackson,

1012
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:22,560
Speaker 6: Josh Allen and and and Patrick Mahomes are always going

1013
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:24,160
Speaker 6: to be there in the draft. Those are the only

1014
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:27,600
Speaker 6: three guys who are irreplaceable right now in the NFL

1015
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:29,920
Speaker 6: that we're putting on this tier, there's a lot more

1016
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:32,719
Speaker 6: quarterbacks that just you have to find a guy who's

1017
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:34,200
Speaker 6: a good fit for an offense.

1018
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:36,440
Speaker 1: And that's like, well, that's what I'm saying right now,

1019
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:39,279
Speaker 1: You're get those guys. You're not scrap you can't keep

1020
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:43,200
Speaker 1: strap scrap peeping. You're not scrap peeping, Jared Goff, You're not.

1021
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:45,520
Speaker 1: You're you're keeping them on your roster because yeah, you're

1022
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:49,160
Speaker 1: absolutely right. These guys can flame out. They could stink,

1023
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:51,120
Speaker 1: and we've seen that many times. Like you said, so,

1024
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:54,080
Speaker 1: I'm not saying don't pay Jared Goff, but I'm saying

1025
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:57,520
Speaker 1: be careful not setting up a future plan, because I

1026
00:54:57,560 --> 00:54:59,880
Speaker 1: don't think Jared Goff's the future in Detroit. If you

1027
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:02,759
Speaker 1: I want to have consistent success and win consistent Super

1028
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:06,440
Speaker 1: Bowls like all franchises are chasing, I think that's getting

1029
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:08,560
Speaker 1: very caught up in the moment, you know, it's getting

1030
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:10,960
Speaker 1: very caught up in the moment saying like, well, because

1031
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:13,719
Speaker 1: Nick Foles won one, he's gonna win three more for us. No,

1032
00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:16,520
Speaker 1: I mean the truth is he's not that guy. And

1033
00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:17,879
Speaker 1: I don't think Jared Goff's that guy.

1034
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:21,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, Projecting the future quarterbacks can be a risky business,

1035
00:55:21,640 --> 00:55:24,400
Speaker 2: to say the least. And again, I think we all

1036
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:26,759
Speaker 2: agreed when the deal was made. As Chris said, it

1037
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:29,600
Speaker 2: was a salary dunk. The Rams were so desperate to

1038
00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:31,360
Speaker 2: get Golf off the books they had to throw in

1039
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:33,520
Speaker 2: a couple of number wins to make that deal to

1040
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:35,960
Speaker 2: get Matthew Stafford. Coming up on the other side, as

1041
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:39,799
Speaker 2: the Lions get ready for a second playoff game this year,

1042
00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:43,440
Speaker 2: they're gonna take on the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Speaking of

1043
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:48,000
Speaker 2: future quarterbacks, what is Baker Mayfield's future in Tampa. We'll

1044
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:50,800
Speaker 2: break it down. This is Fox Sports Red Zone Radio.

1045
00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:55,160
Speaker 2: Steve Harman, Rich Hornberger. This is Fox Sports Red Zone Radio.

1046
00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:58,399
Speaker 2: We are live from the ti IRAQ dot Com studios,

1047
00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:02,480
Speaker 2: thirty six minutes away off between the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

1048
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:05,000
Speaker 2: and the Detroit Lions. Rich have been talking a lot

1049
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:08,960
Speaker 2: about the Lions. Let's talk about one Baker Mayfield, who,

1050
00:56:10,040 --> 00:56:13,440
Speaker 2: along with the likes of a Matthew Stafford, you know

1051
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:16,879
Speaker 2: that late season run by Joe Flacco, I dare say

1052
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:19,160
Speaker 2: to me, Baker Mayfield's the comeback player. Of the Year

1053
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:21,799
Speaker 2: this year in the NFL. I mean he was given

1054
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:24,279
Speaker 2: up for dead. I mean remember when he tagged on

1055
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:28,279
Speaker 2: with the Rams after the Carolina fiasco a few years ago,

1056
00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:31,000
Speaker 2: that he was in the playoffs of Cleveland, won a

1057
00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:34,839
Speaker 2: playoff game, and had completely fallen off. And now he's back,

1058
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:39,279
Speaker 2: and now he's a free agent after this season. Let's

1059
00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:42,200
Speaker 2: talk about his future right now. I'm gonna give you

1060
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:45,239
Speaker 2: two choices for Baker Mayfield. Which one would you choose?

1061
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:48,680
Speaker 2: Stay in Tampa or sign on as the next quarterback

1062
00:56:48,719 --> 00:56:49,880
Speaker 2: of the Pittsburgh Steelers.

1063
00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:57,200
Speaker 1: Oh, Man, that's such a good question because you think

1064
00:56:57,239 --> 00:57:02,120
Speaker 1: about what he's done in Tampa and you feel. Man,

1065
00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:05,719
Speaker 1: But Todd Bowles is a very similar coach in some

1066
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:10,160
Speaker 1: respects to Mike Tomlin. I think my I think Todd

1067
00:57:10,239 --> 00:57:12,960
Speaker 1: Bowles what he's proven this season is he can keep

1068
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:16,320
Speaker 1: the wheels on in a major way. It appears he'll

1069
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:19,400
Speaker 1: get out of the way of his offense and he'll

1070
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:23,000
Speaker 1: just run the team and he'll run his defense. And

1071
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:27,760
Speaker 1: there's there's something successful about that formula in Tampa. And

1072
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:31,040
Speaker 1: you've already had success in Tampa. Okay, So say say

1073
00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:33,960
Speaker 1: you're Baker Mayfield, You've been in Cleveland, you've been in Carolina,

1074
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:36,280
Speaker 1: you've been with LA and now you finally have had

1075
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:41,000
Speaker 1: I mean what nobody expected, but unexpected success in Tampa.

1076
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:43,800
Speaker 1: You're ready to move to your fifth team, You're ready

1077
00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:47,600
Speaker 1: to play for your ninth head coach after having this success.

1078
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:50,200
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean what I would be talking

1079
00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:53,240
Speaker 1: to my agent about is I would want a promise

1080
00:57:53,520 --> 00:57:57,000
Speaker 1: of security with the head coach. I would want to

1081
00:57:57,040 --> 00:58:00,280
Speaker 1: know that Todd Bowles, if he really is a Baker Weaver,

1082
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:02,600
Speaker 1: that he's going to be around for a while, because

1083
00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:06,480
Speaker 1: that's one thing Baker Mayfield has never had. He's never

1084
00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:09,560
Speaker 1: had security in his future. He's never had a secure

1085
00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:12,120
Speaker 1: coaching staff. So if Todd Bowles is going to be

1086
00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:15,800
Speaker 1: the future in Tampa Bay and Baker is going to

1087
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:19,040
Speaker 1: walk lock step like they extend them both out for

1088
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:21,640
Speaker 1: say a couple of years, well then I would I

1089
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:22,919
Speaker 1: would sign with Tampa Bay.

1090
00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:25,360
Speaker 2: All right, let me give you two more choices. Go

1091
00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:28,240
Speaker 2: to Atlanta would build Belichick, or go with the Raiders

1092
00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:31,680
Speaker 2: with Antonio Peers, who be a Peers will be retained

1093
00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:34,600
Speaker 2: as the Raiders head coach. So go with Peers in

1094
00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:38,080
Speaker 2: Vegas with the Raiders, or go with Belichick in Atlanta.

1095
00:58:39,240 --> 00:58:41,320
Speaker 2: Which one of those would be most appealing if you're

1096
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:42,120
Speaker 2: Baker Mayfield?

1097
00:58:42,200 --> 00:58:44,400
Speaker 1: All right, and again these are the only two choices,

1098
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:44,840
Speaker 1: Like I'm.

1099
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:46,880
Speaker 2: Not allowed of sign Jenny do two at a time.

1100
00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:50,320
Speaker 2: There's a lot a lot of pis choices because we've

1101
00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:53,160
Speaker 2: been talking about when you have an attractive free agent,

1102
00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:56,600
Speaker 2: which Baker Mayfield right now is very attractive as a

1103
00:58:56,680 --> 00:59:00,800
Speaker 2: free agent quarterback after the seasons had with Tampa, I'm

1104
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:02,960
Speaker 2: giving you options here. So we started with, you know,

1105
00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:06,960
Speaker 2: stay in Tampa, go to Pittsburgh. Let's assume Belichick gets

1106
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:10,160
Speaker 2: the job in Atlanta. Let's assume it Antoni appears gets

1107
00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:11,960
Speaker 2: the job of the Raiders. I think both of them

1108
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:15,280
Speaker 2: are looking for upgrades at quarterback. Which one would be

1109
00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:16,720
Speaker 2: a better fit for Baker Mayfield?

1110
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:21,120
Speaker 1: Gosh, I mean, maybe it's biasy because I played with him,

1111
00:59:22,560 --> 00:59:26,800
Speaker 1: But I would say of those two, I would still

1112
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:29,120
Speaker 1: prefer him stay in Tampa. But okay, if I was

1113
00:59:29,240 --> 00:59:32,600
Speaker 1: forced to choose between Antonio Pierce in Las Vegas or

1114
00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:35,960
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick in Atlanta, assuming he gets that job, I

1115
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:39,120
Speaker 1: would say Belichick. I would say Belichick because he.

1116
00:59:39,240 --> 00:59:40,760
Speaker 2: Also stays in the same division.

1117
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:43,680
Speaker 1: He stays in the same division, and he's familiar with,

1118
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:48,720
Speaker 1: you know, playing against those opponents. And also Bill, we

1119
00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:51,920
Speaker 1: forget like because Tom Brady was so great and you know,

1120
00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:55,280
Speaker 1: obviously Tom Brady had more success than Bill had after

1121
00:59:55,440 --> 01:00:00,560
Speaker 1: they divorced, but he built Tom Brady like Bill Belichick

1122
01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:03,280
Speaker 1: was one of the reasons why Tom Brady became who

1123
01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:06,560
Speaker 1: he was. There's no question about it. I mean the

1124
01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:10,600
Speaker 1: amount of time that those two met over the first

1125
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:13,960
Speaker 1: ten to fifteen years, and frankly beyond that as well.

1126
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:17,280
Speaker 1: I don't think they ever stopped meeting and stop discussing football.

1127
01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:21,080
Speaker 1: I think their personalities brought them into different places. I

1128
01:00:21,160 --> 01:00:24,720
Speaker 1: think obviously Bill trying to force Tom out soured the

1129
01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:27,800
Speaker 1: relationship to a greater or lesser extent, and there was

1130
01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:30,480
Speaker 1: trust that was kind of thrashed there in New England.

1131
01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:33,640
Speaker 1: But I do think that Bill helped build Tom Brady

1132
01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:35,680
Speaker 1: into what he became. So I think you would be

1133
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:38,360
Speaker 1: better suited between Antonio Peers and Bill Belichick to go

1134
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:39,160
Speaker 1: play with Belichick.

1135
01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:41,440
Speaker 2: All right, this is a little off course, but that's

1136
01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:43,240
Speaker 2: the way I go, and Rich is used to it.

1137
01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:45,400
Speaker 2: All right, let me because I'm all hung up on

1138
01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:47,760
Speaker 2: Belichick becoming the coach of the Atlanta Falcons.

1139
01:00:47,800 --> 01:00:47,920
Speaker 1: Here.

1140
01:00:48,440 --> 01:00:50,640
Speaker 2: By the way, it's not official, but after a second interview,

1141
01:00:50,680 --> 01:00:53,480
Speaker 2: it seems to be twenty in that direction. If you're

1142
01:00:53,560 --> 01:00:57,600
Speaker 2: the Atlanta Falcons, yes, do you make a deal with

1143
01:00:57,760 --> 01:01:03,600
Speaker 2: the Bears to get Justin Fields? If you're the Falcons,

1144
01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:06,920
Speaker 2: do you make a deal with the Bears, who apparently

1145
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:09,880
Speaker 2: are willing to make a deal to unload Fields to

1146
01:01:10,360 --> 01:01:12,720
Speaker 2: clear room to either get Drake may or Caleb Williams

1147
01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:15,200
Speaker 2: with the number one overall pick. But if you're Atlanta,

1148
01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:18,040
Speaker 2: and of course Justin Field's from the state of Georgia,

1149
01:01:18,120 --> 01:01:20,760
Speaker 2: where he played his high school ball started his college career,

1150
01:01:21,560 --> 01:01:25,040
Speaker 2: would you make a deal if you're the Falcons to

1151
01:01:25,160 --> 01:01:26,800
Speaker 2: bring in Justin Fields?

1152
01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:31,880
Speaker 1: I think, boy, yeah. I mean, let's put it this way.

1153
01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:35,800
Speaker 1: If it was Fields, if I was choosing between Justin

1154
01:01:35,840 --> 01:01:39,240
Speaker 1: Fields or the rest of the quarterbacks I currently have

1155
01:01:39,360 --> 01:01:42,640
Speaker 1: on the roster, Fields is a no brainer. I mean,

1156
01:01:42,680 --> 01:01:46,480
Speaker 1: He's a no brainer. And the only caveat that I

1157
01:01:46,520 --> 01:01:48,280
Speaker 1: would have is I would need to get him on

1158
01:01:48,360 --> 01:01:51,040
Speaker 1: a discount. I don't think he's proven himself to be

1159
01:01:51,160 --> 01:01:53,720
Speaker 1: one of these guys who should get you know, broke

1160
01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:58,000
Speaker 1: off and paid big, and I think that's the only

1161
01:01:58,080 --> 01:02:00,600
Speaker 1: way he's going to get traded is if what's waiting

1162
01:02:00,680 --> 01:02:02,760
Speaker 1: for him on the other side of the trade is

1163
01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:06,560
Speaker 1: some sort of extension. Because if you're Justin Fields, why

1164
01:02:06,600 --> 01:02:11,400
Speaker 1: would you allow Chicago to just trade you into a

1165
01:02:11,480 --> 01:02:14,320
Speaker 1: situation where what you're going to try to acclimate to

1166
01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:17,600
Speaker 1: a new offense, a new head coach, and that's you're

1167
01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:20,640
Speaker 1: going to stake your reputation in the league and your

1168
01:02:20,720 --> 01:02:25,080
Speaker 1: career on trying to relearn a new offensive system in

1169
01:02:25,160 --> 01:02:29,240
Speaker 1: a single offseason. I think that would be unbelievably stupid

1170
01:02:29,320 --> 01:02:32,400
Speaker 1: for Justin Fields. But if you're saying I had to

1171
01:02:32,480 --> 01:02:35,560
Speaker 1: make the decision, if I'm Bill Belichick and they're offering me,

1172
01:02:36,240 --> 01:02:38,480
Speaker 1: I would need to either be able to sign him

1173
01:02:38,520 --> 01:02:41,120
Speaker 1: on an absolute song because he hasn't produced enough at

1174
01:02:41,160 --> 01:02:43,000
Speaker 1: the NFL level yet to sign him for a big

1175
01:02:43,080 --> 01:02:47,000
Speaker 1: time extension, or trade him and give him a tryout

1176
01:02:47,080 --> 01:02:50,080
Speaker 1: basically for a season, because the other two quarterbacks in

1177
01:02:50,120 --> 01:02:52,400
Speaker 1: Atlanta are not They're not going to be the future

1178
01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:53,320
Speaker 1: of the Atlanta Falcons.

1179
01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:56,160
Speaker 2: I'm still a Justin Fields fan. I think a new

1180
01:02:56,280 --> 01:02:58,840
Speaker 2: location would help him well. Look at Chicago is a

1181
01:02:58,920 --> 01:03:03,280
Speaker 2: graveyard for quarterba It's a graveyard for quarterbacks. I think

1182
01:03:03,360 --> 01:03:06,240
Speaker 2: in Atlanta, if you have the right coach, right system.

1183
01:03:06,560 --> 01:03:10,520
Speaker 2: But I think Justin Fields could could become a franchise

1184
01:03:10,840 --> 01:03:11,880
Speaker 2: level quarterback.

1185
01:03:11,920 --> 01:03:13,520
Speaker 1: But what does that look like? And I realize he

1186
01:03:13,600 --> 01:03:17,280
Speaker 1: doesn't have a no trade clause, you know, in his contract,

1187
01:03:17,720 --> 01:03:20,520
Speaker 1: But what does he even look like? So he agrees

1188
01:03:20,560 --> 01:03:22,880
Speaker 1: to the trade, you know, he doesn't stomp his feet

1189
01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:24,280
Speaker 1: inside refuse the trade.

1190
01:03:24,360 --> 01:03:25,960
Speaker 2: You know, I think he would welcome a trade out

1191
01:03:25,960 --> 01:03:26,480
Speaker 2: of Chicago.

1192
01:03:26,640 --> 01:03:30,120
Speaker 1: Wow, you know, because there's something there's something to the

1193
01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:32,680
Speaker 1: end of the season last year where it finally seemed.

1194
01:03:32,400 --> 01:03:33,000
Speaker 2: Like it clicked.

1195
01:03:33,400 --> 01:03:33,720
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1196
01:03:33,960 --> 01:03:38,160
Speaker 2: I mean, and Eberflus is back, But to me, it

1197
01:03:38,240 --> 01:03:40,240
Speaker 2: looks like you got the number one overall pick in

1198
01:03:40,280 --> 01:03:42,800
Speaker 2: the draft. The Bear's gonna take a quarterback. They're gonna

1199
01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:45,280
Speaker 2: take a quarterback, and that'll be the end of Justin

1200
01:03:45,320 --> 01:03:47,080
Speaker 2: Fields if they can find a taker. By the way,

1201
01:03:47,200 --> 01:03:49,520
Speaker 2: just for the record, Falcons have the eighth pick in

1202
01:03:49,560 --> 01:03:52,480
Speaker 2: the draft. The Bear's own pick is the ninth pick

1203
01:03:53,240 --> 01:03:55,760
Speaker 2: in the draft, so he could play with a lot

1204
01:03:55,800 --> 01:03:57,320
Speaker 2: of picks as well. All right, much more on the

1205
01:03:57,360 --> 01:03:59,520
Speaker 2: other side, but first let's find out what is trending.

1206
01:04:00,440 --> 01:04:03,680
Speaker 2: Right Fainly B Fenn, how does it feel to be

1207
01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:06,680
Speaker 2: hanging out on a sunday here on a quiet sunday.

1208
01:04:06,760 --> 01:04:09,960
Speaker 2: So far it feels like it's one of the best

1209
01:04:10,040 --> 01:04:11,880
Speaker 2: days of my life. By the way, I haven't asked

1210
01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:16,320
Speaker 2: you because you're such the tennis officionado. On the lady side,

1211
01:04:16,360 --> 01:04:19,240
Speaker 2: there have been all kinds of upsets. Only seven of

1212
01:04:19,320 --> 01:04:21,560
Speaker 2: the top thirty two seeds even made it to the

1213
01:04:21,680 --> 01:04:26,600
Speaker 2: round of sixteen. Coco Goth, I mean women's tennis needs

1214
01:04:26,680 --> 01:04:30,560
Speaker 2: a star. She won the US Open. She's there. I

1215
01:04:30,600 --> 01:04:33,080
Speaker 2: mean if she were to win this Australian Open. I

1216
01:04:33,160 --> 01:04:37,680
Speaker 2: know Sablenko is, Sabelenka is there. She was the chances

1217
01:04:37,720 --> 01:04:41,120
Speaker 2: of fun personality too, right, But not Coco gov They.

1218
01:04:41,120 --> 01:04:42,000
Speaker 1: Need a star.

1219
01:04:42,560 --> 01:04:46,400
Speaker 2: The Coco Goff can be that star who you favoring

1220
01:04:46,480 --> 01:04:48,280
Speaker 2: on the lady side to win the Australian.

1221
01:04:48,200 --> 01:04:50,680
Speaker 5: Well, you have to go with Coco Goff as an American,

1222
01:04:50,840 --> 01:04:53,080
Speaker 5: not just because you're a supporter of her, but you

1223
01:04:53,160 --> 01:04:57,600
Speaker 5: want to support the growth in the progress of tennis

1224
01:04:57,680 --> 01:05:00,840
Speaker 5: in the United States. On the men's side, we have

1225
01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:05,760
Speaker 5: been in a slump as far as generating a Samporus

1226
01:05:05,840 --> 01:05:08,160
Speaker 5: inn agacy, any of the top notch you could even

1227
01:05:08,160 --> 01:05:11,080
Speaker 5: say Andy Roddick, any rotic was the Jokovic could actually

1228
01:05:11,440 --> 01:05:15,440
Speaker 5: run the table again this year. Oh absolutely, absolutely, no

1229
01:05:15,560 --> 01:05:18,240
Speaker 5: question about it. And to think that he's towards the

1230
01:05:18,320 --> 01:05:20,840
Speaker 5: back half of his thirties and he's doing this. Think

1231
01:05:20,880 --> 01:05:24,640
Speaker 5: about how long tennis careers are now going. Where Federer

1232
01:05:24,840 --> 01:05:27,680
Speaker 5: was into his forties playing and you thought that by

1233
01:05:29,360 --> 01:05:32,640
Speaker 5: being a pro tennis player used to be when you're

1234
01:05:32,680 --> 01:05:34,440
Speaker 5: a running back in the NFL, by the time you

1235
01:05:34,520 --> 01:05:36,360
Speaker 5: hit thirty, you hit a wall and you're done. And

1236
01:05:36,600 --> 01:05:40,360
Speaker 5: nowhere is that being seen anymore. It's totally changed. Careers

1237
01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:44,200
Speaker 5: are being extended. And I'm on team Djokovic. Say what

1238
01:05:44,280 --> 01:05:46,720
Speaker 5: you want about him. I love what he's what he's

1239
01:05:46,720 --> 01:05:47,160
Speaker 5: doing right now.

1240
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:50,720
Speaker 2: We have engaged in more tennis talk than FSR history

1241
01:05:51,680 --> 01:05:55,160
Speaker 2: and history. Yeah, but I'm talking to the expert himself. Well,

1242
01:05:55,560 --> 01:05:55,920
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1243
01:05:56,000 --> 01:05:58,360
Speaker 5: It's hard to top you two guys as far as

1244
01:05:58,400 --> 01:06:00,480
Speaker 5: your expertise, but I do know. So if I'm doing

1245
01:06:00,520 --> 01:06:04,360
Speaker 5: my mouth correctly, we're under thirty second or thirty minutes.

1246
01:06:04,520 --> 01:06:05,840
Speaker 2: I wish it was only thirty seconds.

1247
01:06:06,120 --> 01:06:09,200
Speaker 5: Only thirty less than thirty minutes away from division round

1248
01:06:09,240 --> 01:06:12,880
Speaker 5: playoffs and the Lions hosting the Bucks. Where As far

1249
01:06:12,920 --> 01:06:15,560
Speaker 5: as the quarterback position is concerned, the Lions, according to

1250
01:06:15,720 --> 01:06:19,240
Speaker 5: NFL Network, are eager to get some contract talks going

1251
01:06:19,280 --> 01:06:22,560
Speaker 5: long term with Jared Goff, but waiting on that until

1252
01:06:22,600 --> 01:06:25,000
Speaker 5: the offseason. They don't want to create a distraction right

1253
01:06:25,120 --> 01:06:28,280
Speaker 5: now because the Lions are hoping to keep this postseason

1254
01:06:28,360 --> 01:06:32,400
Speaker 5: train moving. The Bucks and their quarterback Baker Mayfield are

1255
01:06:33,040 --> 01:06:35,960
Speaker 5: both in mutual interest about working out a long term

1256
01:06:36,000 --> 01:06:38,920
Speaker 5: deal themselves or at the very least they could get

1257
01:06:38,920 --> 01:06:43,720
Speaker 5: a franchise tag going for next season. The Bills are

1258
01:06:43,760 --> 01:06:45,400
Speaker 5: going to have that day with the Chiefs tonight at

1259
01:06:45,480 --> 01:06:48,720
Speaker 5: six thirty Eastern time. We do know that NFL Network

1260
01:06:48,840 --> 01:06:51,760
Speaker 5: is also reporting the Bills cornerback Rsuwell Douglas dealing with

1261
01:06:51,760 --> 01:06:53,760
Speaker 5: a knee injury as most likely.

1262
01:06:53,680 --> 01:06:55,200
Speaker 2: Going to play in this game.

1263
01:06:55,360 --> 01:06:57,840
Speaker 5: As can be said, sam could be said for Buffalo

1264
01:06:57,960 --> 01:07:01,600
Speaker 5: dB Tarren Johnson out of concussion protocol, so they like

1265
01:07:01,680 --> 01:07:04,680
Speaker 5: his chances of getting out on to the field. And

1266
01:07:04,720 --> 01:07:08,120
Speaker 5: I'll leave you with this, guys, there's all sorts of

1267
01:07:08,760 --> 01:07:13,680
Speaker 5: coach interview here. Second interview. There's so many names. It's

1268
01:07:13,720 --> 01:07:18,160
Speaker 5: almost for us here in the newsroom waiting until the

1269
01:07:18,280 --> 01:07:21,960
Speaker 5: finalists throughout. Do I feel like it's ready to get

1270
01:07:22,240 --> 01:07:23,880
Speaker 5: that kind of news out there as far as a

1271
01:07:23,920 --> 01:07:27,400
Speaker 5: coach and all that, but notably Eric B. Enemy the

1272
01:07:27,720 --> 01:07:32,440
Speaker 5: OC for the Commanders accorded Tom Bello Sero interviewed for

1273
01:07:32,640 --> 01:07:35,840
Speaker 5: the head coaching job. What say you about his chances

1274
01:07:36,280 --> 01:07:37,960
Speaker 5: of getting that job outright?

1275
01:07:39,400 --> 01:07:44,520
Speaker 2: Limited? Really, I think that his star power was at

1276
01:07:44,760 --> 01:07:48,400
Speaker 2: the height obviously with the Chiefs, as far as the

1277
01:07:48,440 --> 01:07:51,919
Speaker 2: Commanders are concerned this year. Look at the end result, yeah,

1278
01:07:52,120 --> 01:07:55,120
Speaker 2: I mean it. I mean he didn't have a lot

1279
01:07:55,160 --> 01:07:57,680
Speaker 2: to work with. Sam Haw had some decent numbers early

1280
01:07:57,720 --> 01:07:59,600
Speaker 2: in the year. Definitely tapered off at the end of

1281
01:07:59,640 --> 01:08:02,920
Speaker 2: the sea. But you know who's hot right now. I mean,

1282
01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:06,120
Speaker 2: there's all these offensive coordinators around the league that have

1283
01:08:06,240 --> 01:08:09,840
Speaker 2: passed Eric B. Enemy, So unfortunately for him, I I

1284
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Speaker 2: would be stunned.

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Speaker 1: I could see Ron Rivera potentially next appearing. I mean,

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Speaker 1: maybe he's got enough friends in the league where he'll

1287
01:08:17,880 --> 01:08:21,920
Speaker 1: end up somebody's on somebody's defensive staff, you know, as uh,

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01:08:22,600 --> 01:08:24,519
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know an advisor of some sort

1289
01:08:24,600 --> 01:08:27,960
Speaker 1: or a defensive coordinator even but I could see him

1290
01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:31,439
Speaker 1: even ending up in college potentially. I mean, it really

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01:08:31,560 --> 01:08:35,000
Speaker 1: has not gone well since Cam Newton, since since anybody

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01:08:35,120 --> 01:08:37,160
Speaker 1: not named Cam Newton was his quarterback.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and this is this is how it goes with

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01:08:39,520 --> 01:08:42,400
Speaker 2: the coaches out there. So it's an interesting name.

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Speaker 5: But I think Ron Rivera could transition into being an official.

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Speaker 1: I meant to being a referee.

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Speaker 2: St Ron Rivera has made it clear. I just want

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Speaker 2: to judge as he said, I'll be a coordinat.

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Speaker 1: I feel like he could be a great baker too,

1300
01:09:02,520 --> 01:09:03,880
Speaker 1: like you know, like if you want to you know,

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01:09:03,960 --> 01:09:05,680
Speaker 1: like sourdough or croissance or.

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Speaker 2: Yes, he has that in him. All right, b femwill

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01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:10,479
Speaker 2: check in with you a little bit later on This

1304
01:09:10,640 --> 01:09:12,120
Speaker 2: is Fox Sports Red Zone Radio.

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Speaker 1: All right.

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Speaker 2: I want to mention one name that is still most

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01:09:15,479 --> 01:09:18,800
Speaker 2: prominent when it comes to coaches who are looking for

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Speaker 2: a job, and that's Jim Harbass. Yesterday, Adam Kaplan came

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01:09:22,439 --> 01:09:26,320
Speaker 2: on Rich and I asked him. I said, we're here

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Speaker 2: in Los Angeles, okay, and we're waiting for that. Jim

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Speaker 2: Harbaugh billboard coach of the Chargers. Jim Harbaugh coming to La.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to La coach. I mean, now that Pierce appears

1313
01:09:38,200 --> 01:09:41,240
Speaker 2: to be the Raiders guy, and Belichick with Piers on

1314
01:09:41,360 --> 01:09:45,240
Speaker 2: his way to Atlanta, there's only one destination for Harbaugh.

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Speaker 1: That's it.

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01:09:46,000 --> 01:09:48,840
Speaker 2: I mean, it's the Chargers. When are we going to

1317
01:09:49,040 --> 01:09:54,439
Speaker 2: see that billboard? And Adam Kaplan's response was the fact

1318
01:09:54,479 --> 01:09:58,360
Speaker 2: that we haven't already heard him take the job after

1319
01:09:58,400 --> 01:09:59,800
Speaker 2: a couple of interviews does.

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Speaker 1: Not bode well, It doesn't.

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01:10:01,479 --> 01:10:05,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the Charters apparently reports or reporting a five year,

1322
01:10:05,840 --> 01:10:09,080
Speaker 2: ninety million dollar deal eighteen million a year, which seems

1323
01:10:09,160 --> 01:10:14,120
Speaker 2: like a fairly representative deal. But could we see rich

1324
01:10:14,240 --> 01:10:17,840
Speaker 2: him decide when it's all said and done, I'm good.

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01:10:17,960 --> 01:10:19,080
Speaker 2: I'm gonna stay at Michigan.

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Speaker 1: It's what have been saying the whole time the whole time,

1327
01:10:23,680 --> 01:10:27,479
Speaker 1: is that Jim Harbaugh is most likely to stay at Michigan.

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01:10:28,160 --> 01:10:32,040
Speaker 1: I think he's using the NFL very similarly to how

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01:10:32,120 --> 01:10:34,400
Speaker 1: he used the NFL last year as a prop to

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01:10:34,600 --> 01:10:38,000
Speaker 1: leverage his university to pay him more. I think he

1331
01:10:38,160 --> 01:10:40,080
Speaker 1: wants to stay in Michigan. I think he wants to

1332
01:10:40,120 --> 01:10:43,360
Speaker 1: stay in college football. It's inarguably where he's had the

1333
01:10:43,400 --> 01:10:46,200
Speaker 1: most success during the course of his career. Now we

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01:10:46,320 --> 01:10:51,480
Speaker 1: can say that with no hesitance after the national championship

1335
01:10:51,520 --> 01:10:56,400
Speaker 1: win with his alma mater. But but, and to be

1336
01:10:56,479 --> 01:10:59,040
Speaker 1: perfectly frank, like, did it go out with the forty

1337
01:10:59,120 --> 01:10:59,519
Speaker 1: nine ers?

1338
01:11:00,040 --> 01:11:01,960
Speaker 2: Went to three straight conference championship games?

1339
01:11:02,120 --> 01:11:04,200
Speaker 1: It went really well with the forty nine ers, But

1340
01:11:04,400 --> 01:11:06,920
Speaker 1: it burned out really quick. And I'm telling you right

1341
01:11:06,960 --> 01:11:10,760
Speaker 1: now it was it was almost a mutiny. It was

1342
01:11:10,800 --> 01:11:14,360
Speaker 1: almost an open revolt in that Niners locker room. On

1343
01:11:14,479 --> 01:11:15,839
Speaker 1: his way out the door, would.

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01:11:15,600 --> 01:11:18,320
Speaker 2: You want to hook you a future at age sixty,

1345
01:11:18,360 --> 01:11:22,080
Speaker 2: which Harbaugh is to the Spanos family and an organization

1346
01:11:22,280 --> 01:11:23,960
Speaker 2: like the Chargers, And don't get.

1347
01:11:23,840 --> 01:11:27,960
Speaker 1: Caught up in like what what's being reported because the

1348
01:11:28,479 --> 01:11:34,120
Speaker 1: five year and ninety five million dollar the contract specifics

1349
01:11:34,200 --> 01:11:36,960
Speaker 1: that have been put out there, that actually makes both

1350
01:11:37,040 --> 01:11:39,680
Speaker 1: sides look really good. So it makes the Chargers look

1351
01:11:39,720 --> 01:11:42,000
Speaker 1: good because it's like, oh, well, look look at a

1352
01:11:42,479 --> 01:11:44,080
Speaker 1: you know, if you're a fan of the Chargers, like

1353
01:11:44,320 --> 01:11:46,519
Speaker 1: at least we tried, you know, that's a that's a

1354
01:11:46,640 --> 01:11:49,559
Speaker 1: representative number, just like you said. And it really helps

1355
01:11:49,600 --> 01:11:52,840
Speaker 1: out Jim Harbaugh too. It helps out Jim Harbaugh because

1356
01:11:52,880 --> 01:11:55,800
Speaker 1: if that if that gets leaked that number, well, all

1357
01:11:55,800 --> 01:11:58,840
Speaker 1: of a sudden, he could go back to Michigan and say, well, hey, listen,

1358
01:11:59,400 --> 01:12:01,360
Speaker 1: this is what I could leave right now and go

1359
01:12:01,520 --> 01:12:03,840
Speaker 1: coach in the NFL for so you need to up

1360
01:12:03,920 --> 01:12:07,559
Speaker 1: the ante like because I could just leave right Remember

1361
01:12:07,600 --> 01:12:10,400
Speaker 1: that I could just I could just go. And so

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01:12:10,920 --> 01:12:14,240
Speaker 1: it is good for both sides. I always ask why

1363
01:12:14,360 --> 01:12:16,639
Speaker 1: why are we hearing this? Why is this being put

1364
01:12:16,680 --> 01:12:19,200
Speaker 1: out in front of us when there's a quote unquote

1365
01:12:19,280 --> 01:12:23,599
Speaker 1: sourced report, And the reason is very clear in this situation,

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01:12:23,760 --> 01:12:27,000
Speaker 1: because this helps both sides. The Chargers are trying to

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01:12:27,800 --> 01:12:30,920
Speaker 1: get away from being admonished for being a cheap organization

1368
01:12:31,160 --> 01:12:35,000
Speaker 1: who don't hire high profile coaches because they can't afford it.

1369
01:12:35,439 --> 01:12:37,920
Speaker 1: And Jim Harbaugh is looking for a bigger payday at

1370
01:12:37,960 --> 01:12:41,880
Speaker 1: Michigan or a bigger payday with a different team. So

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Speaker 1: this is very simple math for me. The Chargers are

1372
01:12:44,880 --> 01:12:47,200
Speaker 1: not going to hire Jim Harbaugh. I would be shocked

1373
01:12:47,200 --> 01:12:49,920
Speaker 1: if they hire Jim Harbaugh. They're probably going to hire

1374
01:12:50,240 --> 01:12:53,800
Speaker 1: a second tier coordinator, somebody who people are you know,

1375
01:12:54,040 --> 01:12:56,080
Speaker 1: some level of excited about. But it's going to be

1376
01:12:56,120 --> 01:12:59,160
Speaker 1: a prove it contract like it always is, and they're

1377
01:12:59,240 --> 01:13:02,080
Speaker 1: just going to be. They're just gonna be onto their

1378
01:13:02,120 --> 01:13:04,720
Speaker 1: next one, and who knows, maybe they'll maybe they will

1379
01:13:06,200 --> 01:13:09,000
Speaker 1: catch lightning in a bottle and one of these second

1380
01:13:09,040 --> 01:13:13,400
Speaker 1: tier coordinators is going to be the next Sean McVay.

1381
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Speaker 1: You never know.

1382
01:13:15,080 --> 01:13:15,920
Speaker 2: No, it's not gonna happen.

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01:13:16,400 --> 01:13:17,479
Speaker 1: Uh No.

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01:13:17,880 --> 01:13:21,760
Speaker 2: There are certain organizations, the Jets being another one. They're

1385
01:13:21,880 --> 01:13:26,720
Speaker 2: just destined for, uh what they are. In fact, the

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01:13:26,800 --> 01:13:30,840
Speaker 2: Chargers interviewed David Shaw. Yeah, that's true, which, by the way,

1387
01:13:31,400 --> 01:13:34,160
Speaker 2: I mean remember he was when he was rolling at Stanford.

1388
01:13:34,200 --> 01:13:37,479
Speaker 2: The last few years at Stanford were ugly. Yeah, but

1389
01:13:37,600 --> 01:13:40,599
Speaker 2: when he was rolling at Stanford and he had NFL

1390
01:13:40,760 --> 01:13:43,400
Speaker 2: background as an assistant coach, a lot of people were

1391
01:13:43,439 --> 01:13:47,800
Speaker 2: talking about David Shaw. I and by the way, and

1392
01:13:47,880 --> 01:13:52,560
Speaker 2: by the way, David Shaw was Jim Harbaugh's offensive coordinator

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01:13:52,680 --> 01:13:55,960
Speaker 2: at Stanford, and then when he left Stanford to come

1394
01:13:56,000 --> 01:13:58,280
Speaker 2: to the NFL, David Shaw got the head coaching job.

1395
01:13:58,320 --> 01:14:01,400
Speaker 2: There's there's a it's like, well, we can't get Harbaugh,

1396
01:14:01,560 --> 01:14:04,040
Speaker 2: but we got his former offensive coordinator when he was

1397
01:14:04,080 --> 01:14:06,880
Speaker 2: at Stanford, David Shaw. Well, it would be such a

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01:14:07,120 --> 01:14:08,439
Speaker 2: Chargery type move.

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Speaker 1: I don't hate it because I don't hate it for

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01:14:11,520 --> 01:14:16,240
Speaker 1: this reason because of what David Shaw did with Andrew Luck. Right,

1401
01:14:16,760 --> 01:14:19,920
Speaker 1: Andrew Luck was I mean, you want to talk about, but.

1402
01:14:19,960 --> 01:14:22,920
Speaker 2: He was handed Andrew. Andrew Luck's freshman year was with

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01:14:23,040 --> 01:14:23,960
Speaker 2: Jim Harbaugh.

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01:14:23,720 --> 01:14:28,200
Speaker 1: Completely, but he would be handed Justin Herbert. So, I mean,

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01:14:28,760 --> 01:14:32,000
Speaker 1: Justin Herbert is already one of the most talented quarterbacks

1406
01:14:32,000 --> 01:14:34,080
Speaker 1: in the NFL. What he needs is a head coach

1407
01:14:34,360 --> 01:14:37,160
Speaker 1: who can figure out how to highlight his talents. And

1408
01:14:37,320 --> 01:14:42,080
Speaker 1: Andrew Luck and Justin Herbert, we're talking about pretty comparable players.

1409
01:14:42,360 --> 01:14:46,360
Speaker 1: In terms of arm strength and escapability and athleticism. I

1410
01:14:46,520 --> 01:14:49,120
Speaker 1: think David Shaw would be good. And then in terms

1411
01:14:49,160 --> 01:14:52,040
Speaker 1: of you know, you think about how Jim harbaugh lost

1412
01:14:52,120 --> 01:14:56,640
Speaker 1: the locker room. Jim Harbaugh's intensity is a problem for

1413
01:14:56,760 --> 01:14:59,120
Speaker 1: Jim Harbaugh. It works at the college level, but it

1414
01:14:59,240 --> 01:15:01,880
Speaker 1: does not work with guys in their thirties who have

1415
01:15:02,040 --> 01:15:04,439
Speaker 1: been playing for eight years in the NFL, who've won

1416
01:15:04,600 --> 01:15:08,599
Speaker 1: five Pro Bowls in three All pros, and you're shouting

1417
01:15:08,640 --> 01:15:12,479
Speaker 1: at them like you know, there's some kid on campus,

1418
01:15:12,720 --> 01:15:15,360
Speaker 1: like it's just not gonna work. So I think he's

1419
01:15:15,400 --> 01:15:17,120
Speaker 1: gonna stay right where he is because he's had the

1420
01:15:17,200 --> 01:15:18,479
Speaker 1: most success right where he is.

1421
01:15:19,080 --> 01:15:20,760
Speaker 2: I'm going to tell you right now, I'm gonna say

1422
01:15:20,840 --> 01:15:23,639
Speaker 2: this right now. If not Jim Harbaugh, the next head

1423
01:15:23,680 --> 01:15:26,559
Speaker 2: coach of the Chargers will be David Shaw. That's my prediction.

1424
01:15:26,720 --> 01:15:28,080
Speaker 2: I'm going to make that prediction right now.

1425
01:15:28,160 --> 01:15:28,400
Speaker 1: All right.

1426
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Speaker 2: Coming up on the other side, we're getting ready for

1427
01:15:30,640 --> 01:15:35,040
Speaker 2: kickoff the Tampa Bay Buccaneers against the Detroit Lions. What

1428
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Speaker 2: kind of game are we going to see? Find out?

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Speaker 2: This is Fox Sports Red Zone Radio. Steve Harbin, Rich Harnberger.

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01:15:42,240 --> 01:15:44,880
Speaker 2: This is Fox Sports Red Zone Radio. We are live

1431
01:15:44,960 --> 01:15:50,040
Speaker 2: from the Tyraq dot Com studios where they're well, i'll

1432
01:15:50,080 --> 01:15:52,120
Speaker 2: tell you what they're excited like we are right now

1433
01:15:52,280 --> 01:15:55,160
Speaker 2: watching this game coming up between the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

1434
01:15:55,280 --> 01:15:58,400
Speaker 2: and the Detroit Lions. Imagine like two or three years ago,

1435
01:15:58,479 --> 01:16:01,799
Speaker 2: predicting we see a divisional playoff game with Baker Mayfield

1436
01:16:01,800 --> 01:16:05,720
Speaker 2: against Jared Goff. I don't think too many people could

1437
01:16:05,760 --> 01:16:08,800
Speaker 2: have predicted that, but that's that's the National Football League

1438
01:16:08,920 --> 01:16:12,040
Speaker 2: right place, right time for both of these quarterbacks.

1439
01:16:12,120 --> 01:16:12,559
Speaker 1: Right now.

1440
01:16:12,720 --> 01:16:15,439
Speaker 2: They got the bucks in the tunnel right now. By

1441
01:16:15,520 --> 01:16:20,880
Speaker 2: the way, the ticket prices for this game completely off

1442
01:16:20,920 --> 01:16:24,679
Speaker 2: the charts. Chris as the Lions insider and he's getting

1443
01:16:24,680 --> 01:16:29,200
Speaker 2: a little pregame nutrition right now. But as the as

1444
01:16:29,280 --> 01:16:35,800
Speaker 2: the Lions guy, how expensive are these tickets this week

1445
01:16:35,920 --> 01:16:36,559
Speaker 2: for this game?

1446
01:16:36,680 --> 01:16:39,000
Speaker 6: What are we looking at? I have to look that

1447
01:16:39,120 --> 01:16:42,080
Speaker 6: up here real quick. I know it's once again standing

1448
01:16:42,200 --> 01:16:46,639
Speaker 6: room only, but average. So I've got this here, average

1449
01:16:46,640 --> 01:16:50,840
Speaker 6: of over one thousand, almost eleven hundred dollars off average

1450
01:16:50,920 --> 01:16:55,000
Speaker 6: average takes. So lowest standing room seats only are going

1451
01:16:55,080 --> 01:16:58,200
Speaker 6: for about i'd say just a little under seven hundred dollars.

1452
01:16:58,280 --> 01:17:01,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's amazing. And I bet there's a term we

1453
01:17:01,160 --> 01:17:04,240
Speaker 2: hear all the time bandwagon fan. I have no problem

1454
01:17:04,240 --> 01:17:05,160
Speaker 2: with bandwagon fan.

1455
01:17:06,080 --> 01:17:06,360
Speaker 1: Oh no.

1456
01:17:07,680 --> 01:17:11,439
Speaker 2: And I always remark about the LA Kings hockey team

1457
01:17:12,080 --> 01:17:15,719
Speaker 2: completely irrelevant for years, and in twenty twelve, out of nowhere,

1458
01:17:15,800 --> 01:17:18,080
Speaker 2: they end up winning the Stanley Cup. And as they

1459
01:17:18,280 --> 01:17:21,040
Speaker 2: approached the Stanley Cup final that year, they actually had

1460
01:17:21,080 --> 01:17:23,280
Speaker 2: a bus. It was a painted, you know, custom bus

1461
01:17:23,640 --> 01:17:26,560
Speaker 2: that was rolling around the all over LA and it

1462
01:17:26,720 --> 01:17:31,840
Speaker 2: said the bandwagon. In other words, we welcome bandwagon fans.

1463
01:17:32,280 --> 01:17:34,920
Speaker 2: We understand there's been really no reason unless they're just

1464
01:17:35,000 --> 01:17:37,560
Speaker 2: a die hard to ever really roof for us, and

1465
01:17:37,640 --> 01:17:40,120
Speaker 2: the same thing with the Lions. I mean, there are diehards,

1466
01:17:40,200 --> 01:17:41,040
Speaker 2: Chris the diehard.

1467
01:17:41,080 --> 01:17:43,120
Speaker 6: I was going to say, like Michigan has always been

1468
01:17:43,160 --> 01:17:46,479
Speaker 6: a very heavy football state between Michigan Michigan State, right,

1469
01:17:46,560 --> 01:17:47,040
Speaker 6: and the Lions.

1470
01:17:47,080 --> 01:17:49,320
Speaker 2: It's not like people are going and picking other teams.

1471
01:17:49,439 --> 01:17:52,000
Speaker 6: Most people are Lions fans, but they were waiting for

1472
01:17:52,080 --> 01:17:54,720
Speaker 6: a reason to put their money where their fandom is

1473
01:17:54,880 --> 01:17:55,640
Speaker 6: and show up for them.

1474
01:17:55,760 --> 01:17:58,439
Speaker 2: My brother in law, who ironically is named Chris, is

1475
01:17:58,479 --> 01:18:02,400
Speaker 2: a lifer. Okay, but you know, most people don't want

1476
01:18:02,439 --> 01:18:05,640
Speaker 2: to tie themselves to a loser. But if all of

1477
01:18:05,680 --> 01:18:07,880
Speaker 2: a sudden, you're winning, we see it all the time.

1478
01:18:08,040 --> 01:18:10,680
Speaker 2: So I love what's happening in Detroit right now. This

1479
01:18:10,760 --> 01:18:14,120
Speaker 2: has been a miserable franchise for so many years, and

1480
01:18:14,200 --> 01:18:19,439
Speaker 2: they're having their dead this game. Though I'm not quite sure.

1481
01:18:20,320 --> 01:18:23,200
Speaker 2: I'm not quite sure. Here's what I saw last week.

1482
01:18:23,320 --> 01:18:26,280
Speaker 2: Baker Mayfield lit up that pathetic Eagles team. By the way,

1483
01:18:26,320 --> 01:18:29,479
Speaker 2: we haven't heard anything from Bo today, predictably, so Nick

1484
01:18:29,520 --> 01:18:32,439
Speaker 2: Sirianni's still the coach. We knew the Eagles were ill

1485
01:18:32,479 --> 01:18:36,519
Speaker 2: equipped for the playoffs, they were worse than advertise, but

1486
01:18:36,680 --> 01:18:38,920
Speaker 2: this is a Tampa Bay team that can throw the

1487
01:18:39,000 --> 01:18:41,960
Speaker 2: ball with the best of them, and they're going against

1488
01:18:41,960 --> 01:18:45,160
Speaker 2: a Lion's defense that made a decision during this offseason

1489
01:18:45,240 --> 01:18:48,000
Speaker 2: since they had such a bad defense to do one

1490
01:18:48,080 --> 01:18:50,880
Speaker 2: thing well that's stopped the run. We saw what the

1491
01:18:51,000 --> 01:18:54,000
Speaker 2: Rams and Puka Nakua did against this Lion secondary. I

1492
01:18:54,160 --> 01:18:57,840
Speaker 2: dare say we could see a similar fate for the

1493
01:18:57,960 --> 01:19:01,559
Speaker 2: Lion's secondary going against this Tampa Buccaneers passing offense.

1494
01:19:01,600 --> 01:19:04,200
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. Yeah. And Mike Evans has been on

1495
01:19:04,320 --> 01:19:09,400
Speaker 1: an absolute heater. Who is it? Is it? Palmer before

1496
01:19:09,600 --> 01:19:12,479
Speaker 1: the last game said that he woke up angry and

1497
01:19:12,600 --> 01:19:15,400
Speaker 1: that did not bode well for the Philadelphia Eagles because

1498
01:19:15,400 --> 01:19:18,360
Speaker 1: he ended up scoring that long touchdown pass in that game.

1499
01:19:18,880 --> 01:19:22,240
Speaker 1: The Bucks have some weapons on the edges, and the

1500
01:19:22,360 --> 01:19:25,839
Speaker 1: Detroit Lions if the pass rush doesn't get to Baker Mayfield,

1501
01:19:26,400 --> 01:19:28,880
Speaker 1: if they can't rattle his cage, I mean, we'll see

1502
01:19:28,960 --> 01:19:34,320
Speaker 1: similar results against the against the the the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

1503
01:19:34,360 --> 01:19:37,760
Speaker 1: So it's gonna be a big time Aiden Hutchinson game.

1504
01:19:37,800 --> 01:19:41,160
Speaker 1: It's gonna be a big time front for Detroit Lions

1505
01:19:41,240 --> 01:19:44,640
Speaker 1: pass rush. Can you get home? Can you? Can you

1506
01:19:45,080 --> 01:19:49,120
Speaker 1: can you impact this game rush decisions and make it

1507
01:19:49,200 --> 01:19:53,280
Speaker 1: hard on Baker without having to sacrifice coverage personnel to

1508
01:19:53,400 --> 01:19:56,360
Speaker 1: put the pressure on Baker Mayfield Because he's he's a

1509
01:19:56,680 --> 01:19:59,920
Speaker 1: talented quarterback. When faced with pressure, he understands where to

1510
01:20:00,080 --> 01:20:03,000
Speaker 1: go with the football when you're bringing extra blitzers, So

1511
01:20:03,080 --> 01:20:04,400
Speaker 1: you got to try to get to them with your

1512
01:20:04,439 --> 01:20:04,920
Speaker 1: front four.

1513
01:20:05,880 --> 01:20:08,559
Speaker 2: They are rocking at Ford Field right now. I mean

1514
01:20:09,160 --> 01:20:12,439
Speaker 2: they are rocking at Ford Field. It's gonna be a

1515
01:20:12,560 --> 01:20:15,839
Speaker 2: challenge for Baker Mayfield and that tap offense to hear anything.

1516
01:20:16,280 --> 01:20:18,160
Speaker 2: We're gonna get ready for the start of that game.

1517
01:20:18,200 --> 01:20:21,160
Speaker 2: Plus we got that huge Chiefs Bills matchup later on

1518
01:20:21,280 --> 01:20:24,160
Speaker 2: in the day to wrap up this divisional round weekend.

1519
01:20:24,360 --> 01:20:27,160
Speaker 2: For everything you need, keep it right here. This is

1520
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Speaker 2: Fox Sports Red Zone Radio. Are you ready for some football?

1521
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Speaker 2: We are getting ready for the kickoff between the Buccaneers

1522
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Speaker 2: Tire buying should be. This Detroit Lions team has gotten

1528
01:20:56,360 --> 01:20:59,920
Speaker 2: here thanks to Dan Campbell, got a little patience by

1529
01:21:00,080 --> 01:21:03,840
Speaker 2: the organization because you know, you and I I remember

1530
01:21:03,880 --> 01:21:06,439
Speaker 2: when we were talking about the hiring of Dan Campbell,

1531
01:21:06,520 --> 01:21:10,000
Speaker 2: which seemed a curious higher, to say the least at

1532
01:21:10,040 --> 01:21:12,479
Speaker 2: the time. He's a raw, raw guy obviously played in

1533
01:21:12,560 --> 01:21:17,840
Speaker 2: the league. First year was really shaky, I mean shakey,

1534
01:21:18,200 --> 01:21:20,599
Speaker 2: and we are all saying, wow, we like the guy.

1535
01:21:21,479 --> 01:21:24,680
Speaker 2: But considering how miserable the history of the Lions has been,

1536
01:21:24,720 --> 01:21:27,120
Speaker 2: all the different coaches they'd gone through with no success,

1537
01:21:28,200 --> 01:21:29,960
Speaker 2: how much time you're gonna give this guy? How much

1538
01:21:30,040 --> 01:21:33,400
Speaker 2: time does he get to show some kind of progress?

1539
01:21:33,439 --> 01:21:39,880
Speaker 2: And then last year something clicked yep, and now he

1540
01:21:40,080 --> 01:21:43,439
Speaker 2: has full control of this team. You've been in the

1541
01:21:43,520 --> 01:21:46,919
Speaker 2: locker rooms of NFL teams that have had successful coaches.

1542
01:21:47,000 --> 01:21:49,439
Speaker 2: You've been in the locker rooms that have bad coaches.

1543
01:21:51,000 --> 01:21:54,200
Speaker 2: What does it take for a guy like Dan Campbell,

1544
01:21:54,200 --> 01:22:00,360
Speaker 2: who had never obviously been a head coach to flip

1545
01:22:00,479 --> 01:22:05,639
Speaker 2: the switch and make a losing team a winning team?

1546
01:22:05,840 --> 01:22:09,280
Speaker 2: How does that happen? Because every owner in the league

1547
01:22:09,360 --> 01:22:11,840
Speaker 2: is trying to figure this out. I want my Why

1548
01:22:11,960 --> 01:22:14,960
Speaker 2: can I get a Dan Campbell, because you know, you

1549
01:22:15,360 --> 01:22:17,400
Speaker 2: either go down the path or you're taking a guy

1550
01:22:17,520 --> 01:22:20,360
Speaker 2: that's been there, done that, hoping he can replicate some

1551
01:22:20,560 --> 01:22:22,439
Speaker 2: kind of success with the team if he may have

1552
01:22:22,520 --> 01:22:26,280
Speaker 2: had success elsewhere, or you roll a dice on some coordinator,

1553
01:22:26,360 --> 01:22:28,160
Speaker 2: and more often than that, it turns out to be

1554
01:22:28,240 --> 01:22:33,160
Speaker 2: a bad higher. But why do you think Dan Campbell

1555
01:22:34,040 --> 01:22:37,240
Speaker 2: was able to take a perennial loser like the Lions

1556
01:22:37,880 --> 01:22:40,800
Speaker 2: and in a relatively short amount of time make him

1557
01:22:40,800 --> 01:22:41,160
Speaker 2: a winner.

1558
01:22:42,920 --> 01:22:47,400
Speaker 1: What does it take? It takes, like you said, organizational patience.

1559
01:22:47,840 --> 01:22:50,760
Speaker 1: It takes giving a guy time to learn how to

1560
01:22:50,840 --> 01:22:55,040
Speaker 1: be a head coach. It takes you know, more than that, obviously,

1561
01:22:55,160 --> 01:22:58,519
Speaker 1: it takes talent. It takes special players. And I do

1562
01:22:58,760 --> 01:23:03,160
Speaker 1: also designate Jared Goff as a special player in this situation.

1563
01:23:03,280 --> 01:23:07,800
Speaker 1: I think Jared Goff has expressed and has exemplified the

1564
01:23:08,880 --> 01:23:12,920
Speaker 1: right deal of humility and talent to lead a team

1565
01:23:13,160 --> 01:23:16,200
Speaker 1: like the Lions, who were really an upstart. You know,

1566
01:23:16,360 --> 01:23:18,920
Speaker 1: Jared Goff also had to be patient, and I think

1567
01:23:18,960 --> 01:23:21,519
Speaker 1: he was willing to be patient because he was given

1568
01:23:21,680 --> 01:23:26,000
Speaker 1: somewhat of a second chance in Detroit after being cast

1569
01:23:26,040 --> 01:23:29,479
Speaker 1: aside by the Los Angeles Rams to bring in who

1570
01:23:29,520 --> 01:23:32,719
Speaker 1: would become their Super Bowl winning quarterback in Matthew Stafford.

1571
01:23:33,160 --> 01:23:36,120
Speaker 1: So it takes a lot of different things coalescing at

1572
01:23:36,160 --> 01:23:39,519
Speaker 1: the same time in order for it to happen. But

1573
01:23:39,800 --> 01:23:42,680
Speaker 1: it really does start with personality. If you have the

1574
01:23:42,800 --> 01:23:45,280
Speaker 1: type of personality that can lead a group of people,

1575
01:23:45,800 --> 01:23:48,519
Speaker 1: and those people be of those people in the room

1576
01:23:48,640 --> 01:23:52,519
Speaker 1: believe in you, well, that is a a level of

1577
01:23:52,920 --> 01:23:59,120
Speaker 1: charisma and and it factor if you know to put

1578
01:23:59,200 --> 01:24:03,040
Speaker 1: it in and more. You know, I guess I don't

1579
01:24:03,080 --> 01:24:06,120
Speaker 1: know how to describe it. There's something about good coaches

1580
01:24:06,240 --> 01:24:10,680
Speaker 1: they have it and bad coaches don't, and it's it's

1581
01:24:10,760 --> 01:24:12,640
Speaker 1: hard to describe it. It's the same way if you

1582
01:24:12,760 --> 01:24:15,400
Speaker 1: go to I don't know, some sort of corporate retreat,

1583
01:24:16,080 --> 01:24:19,280
Speaker 1: or if you've ever had a boss who will you know,

1584
01:24:19,439 --> 01:24:24,120
Speaker 1: get all your coworkers together and start talking. Everybody's had

1585
01:24:24,200 --> 01:24:26,840
Speaker 1: that boss who it's like this guy's lame or this

1586
01:24:27,040 --> 01:24:29,479
Speaker 1: lady doesn't know what she's talking about, you know what

1587
01:24:29,520 --> 01:24:31,800
Speaker 1: I mean, where you're just like, we're just getting through this.

1588
01:24:32,360 --> 01:24:35,720
Speaker 1: And then we've all had those bosses who connect. They

1589
01:24:35,840 --> 01:24:37,720
Speaker 1: just find a way to connect with every person in

1590
01:24:37,800 --> 01:24:39,960
Speaker 1: the room, They meet you where you are, and you

1591
01:24:40,040 --> 01:24:42,280
Speaker 1: actually are interested in what they have to say. It

1592
01:24:42,400 --> 01:24:45,360
Speaker 1: feels like it becomes more than a job. It feels

1593
01:24:45,400 --> 01:24:49,240
Speaker 1: like it becomes important to you. They somehow stir something

1594
01:24:49,320 --> 01:24:51,880
Speaker 1: inside of you to give a little bit more to

1595
01:24:52,120 --> 01:24:57,000
Speaker 1: work and sacrifice a little bit more. Then Really, it

1596
01:24:57,080 --> 01:25:00,280
Speaker 1: says your job title says you should and Dan Ample

1597
01:25:00,400 --> 01:25:01,000
Speaker 1: has it.

1598
01:25:02,000 --> 01:25:04,920
Speaker 2: Well obviously, so although the Lions did not have it

1599
01:25:05,240 --> 01:25:07,759
Speaker 2: on their opening drive three and out. For the Lions

1600
01:25:07,920 --> 01:25:11,840
Speaker 2: three passes by Golf to open up, he completed just

1601
01:25:11,960 --> 01:25:13,920
Speaker 2: one of them for seven yards. So they have punted

1602
01:25:14,000 --> 01:25:16,360
Speaker 2: away to Tampa Bay, so the Bucks will get the

1603
01:25:16,400 --> 01:25:18,759
Speaker 2: ball here. I'm a little surprised on that opening drive.

1604
01:25:19,439 --> 01:25:22,120
Speaker 2: The first pass was a bad pass. I think nerves

1605
01:25:22,200 --> 01:25:24,720
Speaker 2: got Golf a little bit on the first pass. The

1606
01:25:24,800 --> 01:25:27,040
Speaker 2: third pass was knocked down at the line of scrimmaged

1607
01:25:27,040 --> 01:25:29,040
Speaker 2: by the Buccaneers. By the way, when you look at

1608
01:25:29,080 --> 01:25:33,200
Speaker 2: this offensive line of the Lions right now, obviously one

1609
01:25:33,280 --> 01:25:36,559
Speaker 2: of the premier centers in the league, but Henny Sewell

1610
01:25:36,840 --> 01:25:41,680
Speaker 2: right now is in the conversation for the best offensive

1611
01:25:41,800 --> 01:25:44,560
Speaker 2: lineman in the league. I'd still give it slightly to

1612
01:25:44,680 --> 01:25:47,080
Speaker 2: Trent Williams the future Hall of Famer for the forty

1613
01:25:47,200 --> 01:25:49,800
Speaker 2: nine ers, but Sewell's getting pretty close right now.

1614
01:25:49,920 --> 01:25:54,160
Speaker 1: Rich Yeah, yeah, there's no doubt about it. I look

1615
01:25:54,240 --> 01:25:57,519
Speaker 1: at look, I look at the Detroit Lions as really

1616
01:25:57,640 --> 01:26:00,599
Speaker 1: having a lot of the ingredients. Oh yeah, that they

1617
01:26:00,760 --> 01:26:03,120
Speaker 1: need to be a good team for a long time.

1618
01:26:03,240 --> 01:26:05,040
Speaker 1: And that's the reason why when we were talking about

1619
01:26:05,080 --> 01:26:09,200
Speaker 1: this with our resident Lions expert and super fan Chris Perfet.

1620
01:26:09,840 --> 01:26:12,360
Speaker 1: You know, the reality is Jared Goff is a very

1621
01:26:12,439 --> 01:26:15,479
Speaker 1: talented quarterback and I think that he has led the

1622
01:26:15,600 --> 01:26:19,000
Speaker 1: Lions this far and that is admirable and it's great,

1623
01:26:19,680 --> 01:26:21,920
Speaker 1: and who knows, they may even win today and the

1624
01:26:22,000 --> 01:26:25,559
Speaker 1: story will continue into the NFC Championship game in Santa Clara.

1625
01:26:26,040 --> 01:26:30,559
Speaker 1: But if it doesn't, and that may look it's early

1626
01:26:30,600 --> 01:26:32,559
Speaker 1: in this game, it's a big ift still. But if

1627
01:26:32,600 --> 01:26:36,439
Speaker 1: it doesn't, you gotta start looking at this team in

1628
01:26:36,600 --> 01:26:40,600
Speaker 1: terms of the financial implications of extending Golf on a

1629
01:26:40,800 --> 01:26:44,880
Speaker 1: big deal or potentially finding a way to make him

1630
01:26:45,000 --> 01:26:50,120
Speaker 1: fit as a bridge quarterback for potentially who will take

1631
01:26:50,200 --> 01:26:53,080
Speaker 1: over and be his replacement sometime in the future. I

1632
01:26:53,080 --> 01:26:55,320
Speaker 1: don't know if that's possible, but we'll see that we

1633
01:26:55,439 --> 01:26:56,880
Speaker 1: haven't gotten to the offseason yet.

1634
01:26:57,240 --> 01:26:59,719
Speaker 2: Two plays have netted twenty four yards for the Tampa

1635
01:26:59,760 --> 01:27:02,960
Speaker 2: Bay Buccaneers, an eight yard pass from Mayfield or Sean White,

1636
01:27:02,960 --> 01:27:06,760
Speaker 2: and then White has a sixteen yard run. One thing

1637
01:27:06,800 --> 01:27:09,559
Speaker 2: we have to remind ourselves about this Detroit Lions team.

1638
01:27:09,600 --> 01:27:12,400
Speaker 2: They're not a great defensive team by any stretch of

1639
01:27:12,400 --> 01:27:15,240
Speaker 2: the imagination. As I mentioned the offseason, they knew they

1640
01:27:15,280 --> 01:27:18,320
Speaker 2: didn't do anything well defensively a year ago, so they

1641
01:27:18,360 --> 01:27:21,880
Speaker 2: wanted to focus on something they could do better, and

1642
01:27:22,000 --> 01:27:25,479
Speaker 2: that was the run. And unfortunately, in the first run

1643
01:27:25,560 --> 01:27:28,560
Speaker 2: of this game, sixteen yards were White for the Buccaneers.

1644
01:27:28,800 --> 01:27:32,400
Speaker 2: I don't think we've over really talked much about exactly

1645
01:27:32,479 --> 01:27:36,040
Speaker 2: what Baker Mayfield did last week. Three hundred and thirty

1646
01:27:36,040 --> 01:27:38,760
Speaker 2: three yards, three touchdowns, no picks against the Eagles. I mean,

1647
01:27:38,880 --> 01:27:44,360
Speaker 2: he absolutely shredded them and they are loaded. We're receiving

1648
01:27:44,479 --> 01:27:48,720
Speaker 2: talent right now. And the way Tampa looks already on

1649
01:27:48,800 --> 01:27:52,000
Speaker 2: this opening drive, Oh, Mayfield just got sacked and that's

1650
01:27:52,040 --> 01:27:54,880
Speaker 2: what you were talking about. Yes, they've got to get

1651
01:27:55,040 --> 01:27:58,320
Speaker 2: Mayfield off his mark because he gets into a rhythm.

1652
01:27:58,439 --> 01:28:01,240
Speaker 2: Most quarterbacks in the NFL this once they get into

1653
01:28:01,240 --> 01:28:04,280
Speaker 2: a rhythm, they can become unstoppable. But you got to

1654
01:28:04,320 --> 01:28:06,240
Speaker 2: knock him off his mark a little bit. And they

1655
01:28:06,320 --> 01:28:08,800
Speaker 2: were coming full throttle for him this time, and they

1656
01:28:08,880 --> 01:28:09,639
Speaker 2: get the big sack.

1657
01:28:10,280 --> 01:28:12,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know the reality of the situation.

1658
01:28:12,479 --> 01:28:13,719
Speaker 2: Is blitz the corner.

1659
01:28:14,080 --> 01:28:17,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, uh yeah, And listen, that's that's gonna be risky.

1660
01:28:18,040 --> 01:28:19,960
Speaker 1: That's gonna be risky. But if you can get there

1661
01:28:20,040 --> 01:28:22,760
Speaker 1: before they can get the ball out, it's going to

1662
01:28:22,840 --> 01:28:26,400
Speaker 1: be hugely, hugely important for this team. And Aaron Glenn

1663
01:28:26,760 --> 01:28:30,080
Speaker 1: he knows how to bring some some uh simulated pressures too,

1664
01:28:30,160 --> 01:28:32,960
Speaker 1: which really helped the Niners late in that game. Rush

1665
01:28:33,040 --> 01:28:36,400
Speaker 1: some throws for Jordan Love and that final.

1666
01:28:36,240 --> 01:28:40,320
Speaker 2: Line intercepted by the Lions. Interception on a tip pass

1667
01:28:40,439 --> 01:28:43,760
Speaker 2: near midfield for the Lions, and they are gonna take

1668
01:28:43,840 --> 01:28:46,920
Speaker 2: oh big return inside the forty yard line. So the

1669
01:28:47,000 --> 01:28:50,479
Speaker 2: Lions on a tip pass get the interception and the

1670
01:28:50,560 --> 01:28:53,960
Speaker 2: crowd is rocking at Ford Field, so the the Lions

1671
01:28:54,040 --> 01:28:56,120
Speaker 2: get the first turnover of the game.

1672
01:28:56,160 --> 01:28:56,439
Speaker 1: Again.

1673
01:28:56,720 --> 01:28:59,320
Speaker 2: Mayfield did not throw a pick last week against the Eagles.

1674
01:28:59,600 --> 01:29:01,640
Speaker 2: That was a pass over the middle, and anytime the

1675
01:29:01,680 --> 01:29:04,200
Speaker 2: ball is tipped, look out, it's interception time.

1676
01:29:04,479 --> 01:29:06,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, and that's gonna be important too. Look,

1677
01:29:06,680 --> 01:29:11,040
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield, he's not diminutive, but he's not an enormous quarterback.

1678
01:29:11,320 --> 01:29:13,519
Speaker 1: He's the type of quarterback who if you get hands

1679
01:29:13,600 --> 01:29:14,840
Speaker 1: in passing lanes.

1680
01:29:14,520 --> 01:29:16,800
Speaker 2: And that is Mike Evans, that went right to his

1681
01:29:16,920 --> 01:29:17,879
Speaker 2: hands exactly.

1682
01:29:18,120 --> 01:29:21,400
Speaker 1: You can you can find a way to obscure the picture.

1683
01:29:21,600 --> 01:29:23,439
Speaker 1: He could throw the ball off the mark. He has

1684
01:29:23,479 --> 01:29:26,919
Speaker 1: to throw around defenders. In this case, the Detroit Lions

1685
01:29:27,040 --> 01:29:31,680
Speaker 1: rushed three. Mike Evans had this one. I mean, Mayfield

1686
01:29:31,880 --> 01:29:33,960
Speaker 1: painted him with it. Yeah, I think he had to

1687
01:29:34,040 --> 01:29:36,559
Speaker 1: throw it a little bit higher because the nose tackle

1688
01:29:36,920 --> 01:29:37,800
Speaker 1: got his arm up.

1689
01:29:38,200 --> 01:29:41,559
Speaker 2: That's not Mike Evans, you might, I mean, but Mike level.

1690
01:29:41,640 --> 01:29:42,559
Speaker 2: He's got to make that catch.

1691
01:29:42,600 --> 01:29:44,160
Speaker 1: He's got to come up with that catch. And so

1692
01:29:44,720 --> 01:29:47,760
Speaker 1: it's it's one of those things. Everything affects everything, right,

1693
01:29:48,120 --> 01:29:49,880
Speaker 1: you know, the nose tackle gets his hand up a

1694
01:29:49,960 --> 01:29:52,280
Speaker 1: little bit in a passing lane, Mayfield has to throw

1695
01:29:52,320 --> 01:29:54,840
Speaker 1: it a couple inches higher. Mike Evans has to catch

1696
01:29:54,880 --> 01:29:57,760
Speaker 1: an off target pass. It goes through his hands because

1697
01:29:57,760 --> 01:29:59,600
Speaker 1: he's thinking about catching the ball over the middle and

1698
01:29:59,640 --> 01:30:02,559
Speaker 1: protect himself. All of a sudden, it bounces in the air,

1699
01:30:02,880 --> 01:30:06,240
Speaker 1: and it's Detroit ball. You cannot have those type of mistakes.

1700
01:30:06,520 --> 01:30:08,600
Speaker 2: I think this is the right move for the Lions.

1701
01:30:10,840 --> 01:30:13,720
Speaker 2: Look at they have a really good offensive line. They

1702
01:30:13,840 --> 01:30:15,599
Speaker 2: really do. I mean two of the best we mentioned

1703
01:30:15,640 --> 01:30:19,080
Speaker 2: in Sewell and Rag now right now. But I'm running

1704
01:30:19,120 --> 01:30:21,519
Speaker 2: the ball on Tampa. I'm going to try to out

1705
01:30:21,600 --> 01:30:24,439
Speaker 2: physical this Tampa Bay team. First two plays of this

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01:30:24,640 --> 01:30:29,200
Speaker 2: drive after the turnover are runs for the Detroit Lions.

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Speaker 2: They have set up a third and short. All right,

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Speaker 2: the game's underway. We're excited. We got NFL football to

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Speaker 2: talk about. Should be a terrific matchup between the Bucks

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Speaker 2: and the Lions. We're going to keep you updata on everything.

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Speaker 2: This is Fox Sports Red Zone Radio.

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Speaker 7: And they feel throws it over the middle, knock up

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01:30:45,280 --> 01:30:46,880
Speaker 7: of the air, pick up on the Lions. It is

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01:30:46,960 --> 01:30:49,360
Speaker 7: picked up by CD Deuce try to come back across

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01:30:49,400 --> 01:30:52,200
Speaker 7: the fifty yard line and he is taken down inside

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01:30:52,280 --> 01:30:54,920
Speaker 7: the forty five and shut that. It bounds the thirty nine,

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01:30:55,280 --> 01:30:57,760
Speaker 7: knocked up in the air. CD Deuce ran under it

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01:30:57,880 --> 01:30:59,880
Speaker 7: and the Lions with a takeaway. They've got it in

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Speaker 7: Bucks territory.

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Speaker 2: That's the Lions Radio Network.

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01:31:02,960 --> 01:31:03,400
Speaker 1: Right there.

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01:31:03,479 --> 01:31:06,920
Speaker 2: The Lions had an opportunity for a touchdown. They had

1723
01:31:06,920 --> 01:31:08,920
Speaker 2: a second and goal at the four yard line. Jared

1724
01:31:08,960 --> 01:31:11,040
Speaker 2: got through a pass on the end zone that was

1725
01:31:11,120 --> 01:31:16,120
Speaker 2: dropped for an interception. Third and four, they went with

1726
01:31:16,200 --> 01:31:19,280
Speaker 2: a run up the middle of nowhere and Michael Bagley

1727
01:31:19,360 --> 01:31:21,479
Speaker 2: came into kick a field goal. Is it just me

1728
01:31:21,640 --> 01:31:23,519
Speaker 2: or half the kickers in the NFL used to be

1729
01:31:23,600 --> 01:31:24,559
Speaker 2: kickers for the Chargers.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well they've gone through a bunch.

1731
01:31:27,840 --> 01:31:30,360
Speaker 2: I mean, it's unbelievable how many teams have an ex

1732
01:31:30,479 --> 01:31:32,960
Speaker 2: Charger kicker as their current kicker. Once again, this is

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Speaker 2: Fox Sports Red Zone Radio. Steve Hartman and Rich Ormberger

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01:31:36,160 --> 01:31:38,920
Speaker 2: were live from the ti iraq dot com studios. By

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01:31:38,960 --> 01:31:41,080
Speaker 2: the way, after the show, our podcast is going up.

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Speaker 2: Radio wherever you get your podcasts, and you see the

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01:31:53,720 --> 01:31:57,240
Speaker 2: show posted right after we get off the air. The

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01:31:57,920 --> 01:32:02,439
Speaker 2: second and goal pass the four yard line should have

1743
01:32:02,479 --> 01:32:05,080
Speaker 2: been intercept to the pass was late. The pass was

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01:32:05,160 --> 01:32:09,040
Speaker 2: behind the receiver went right through the hands of the

1745
01:32:09,479 --> 01:32:16,439
Speaker 2: Bucks defender. You know, again when you get into this

1746
01:32:16,880 --> 01:32:19,600
Speaker 2: position and you're Jered Goff, And again, this is a

1747
01:32:19,640 --> 01:32:22,000
Speaker 2: guy that already has led one team, the Rams, to

1748
01:32:22,080 --> 01:32:26,040
Speaker 2: a super Bowl and along that way. Even though we

1749
01:32:26,120 --> 01:32:29,560
Speaker 2: all remember that NFC Championship game for the Rams and

1750
01:32:29,640 --> 01:32:32,320
Speaker 2: the Saints for that non call in the pass interference,

1751
01:32:33,280 --> 01:32:37,679
Speaker 2: he engineered a road win in a conference championship game

1752
01:32:38,000 --> 01:32:40,000
Speaker 2: to get his team to the super Bowl. So he

1753
01:32:40,160 --> 01:32:43,040
Speaker 2: has been there and done that, and yet it's been

1754
01:32:43,080 --> 01:32:45,080
Speaker 2: a little bit of a mixed bag early on for

1755
01:32:45,240 --> 01:32:47,880
Speaker 2: Jared Goff in this game, and a pass like that

1756
01:32:48,320 --> 01:32:50,599
Speaker 2: a little bit of nerves. He's two of six passing

1757
01:32:50,720 --> 01:32:53,320
Speaker 2: right now to start this game for eighteen yards.

1758
01:32:53,600 --> 01:32:57,040
Speaker 1: Yeah. I again, I think this game is going to

1759
01:32:57,120 --> 01:33:02,400
Speaker 1: come down to the Detroit successfully finding a way to

1760
01:33:02,560 --> 01:33:06,120
Speaker 1: make Baker Mayfield force quicker decisions than he wants to

1761
01:33:06,840 --> 01:33:10,040
Speaker 1: in the pocket. And frankly, we didn't focus enough on

1762
01:33:10,280 --> 01:33:12,920
Speaker 1: how to defeat what the Lions do. Uh, And we

1763
01:33:13,040 --> 01:33:15,200
Speaker 1: saw a little bit of it on that drive. You're

1764
01:33:15,240 --> 01:33:18,599
Speaker 1: gonna have to be stingy at the the the red

1765
01:33:18,720 --> 01:33:21,519
Speaker 1: zone area of the field, you know, and uh, they're

1766
01:33:21,520 --> 01:33:24,160
Speaker 1: gonna get their yards. Look, I'm on Saint Brown, I'm

1767
01:33:24,240 --> 01:33:28,120
Speaker 1: on Ross Saint Brown Laporta. They're gonna Jamior Gibbs as

1768
01:33:28,200 --> 01:33:31,800
Speaker 1: a as a very flexible option out of the backfield.

1769
01:33:31,880 --> 01:33:34,000
Speaker 1: In the passing game, they're gonna get their yards. But

1770
01:33:34,120 --> 01:33:36,920
Speaker 1: you need to stiffen up near the goal line, and

1771
01:33:37,040 --> 01:33:39,760
Speaker 1: that's exactly what happened. Those are tighter window throws that

1772
01:33:39,920 --> 01:33:44,760
Speaker 1: Jared Goff doesn't doesn't make an I'm not gonna say

1773
01:33:44,760 --> 01:33:47,360
Speaker 1: he's bad at it, but he'll miss some in the

1774
01:33:47,520 --> 01:33:49,120
Speaker 1: in the red zone. That has been a problem for

1775
01:33:49,200 --> 01:33:51,760
Speaker 1: the lines in the past. And then you look at

1776
01:33:51,800 --> 01:33:55,080
Speaker 1: what kJ Bridge just did against David Montgomery down at

1777
01:33:55,120 --> 01:33:58,080
Speaker 1: the goal line on that on that third down run.

1778
01:33:58,520 --> 01:34:01,960
Speaker 1: I mean, he absolutely stuck. And that's the same linebacker

1779
01:34:02,000 --> 01:34:04,840
Speaker 1: who stopped the tush push a week ago against the

1780
01:34:05,000 --> 01:34:07,640
Speaker 1: Philadelphia Eagles when it was still a ballgame against the

1781
01:34:07,680 --> 01:34:10,240
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay Buccaneers. So they're gonna need that kind of

1782
01:34:10,320 --> 01:34:11,400
Speaker 1: effort throughout this game.

1783
01:34:11,800 --> 01:34:13,760
Speaker 2: Well, Mike Evans just caught a pass. I'm gonna say

1784
01:34:13,800 --> 01:34:17,880
Speaker 2: something about Mike Evans that may not be popular. A

1785
01:34:17,960 --> 01:34:20,800
Speaker 2: lot is made out of his thousand yards receiving every

1786
01:34:20,880 --> 01:34:24,360
Speaker 2: year of his career. Yeah, so in a seventeen game schedule,

1787
01:34:24,400 --> 01:34:26,639
Speaker 2: if you have a thousand yards receiving, that's an average

1788
01:34:26,640 --> 01:34:30,640
Speaker 2: of fifty nine yards a game, which is pretty pedestrian

1789
01:34:30,680 --> 01:34:33,439
Speaker 2: if you think about it for a wide receiver. By

1790
01:34:33,439 --> 01:34:35,439
Speaker 2: the way, big play for the Buccaneers now down to

1791
01:34:35,520 --> 01:34:39,360
Speaker 2: the twenty five yard line. But anyway, people try to

1792
01:34:39,400 --> 01:34:41,840
Speaker 2: make this argument about Mike Evans Hall of Fame. Has

1793
01:34:41,880 --> 01:34:43,639
Speaker 2: he done enough for the Hall of Fame? They cite

1794
01:34:43,680 --> 01:34:47,960
Speaker 2: these stats, stats, forget the stats. What is Mike Evans

1795
01:34:48,520 --> 01:34:52,479
Speaker 2: best known for in his NFL career? My play is

1796
01:34:52,600 --> 01:34:55,719
Speaker 2: flipping the ball that was the record setting touchdown pass

1797
01:34:55,800 --> 01:34:58,439
Speaker 2: by Tom Brady into the stans of some guy that

1798
01:34:58,520 --> 01:34:59,880
Speaker 2: he ended up having to give him some.

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01:35:00,640 --> 01:35:03,559
Speaker 1: He's a super Bowl champion, He's been the number one

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01:35:03,640 --> 01:35:04,439
Speaker 1: receive He's.

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Speaker 2: Been on a Super Bowl champion team. Right, Well, he's

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01:35:06,840 --> 01:35:07,839
Speaker 2: a super Bowl champion.

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01:35:08,080 --> 01:35:11,360
Speaker 1: Okay, he's he's been the number one receiver on that

1804
01:35:11,520 --> 01:35:14,960
Speaker 1: team for the entirety of his career.

1805
01:35:15,200 --> 01:35:18,240
Speaker 2: Big sack by now the Lions coming after Baker Mayfe,

1806
01:35:18,240 --> 01:35:20,280
Speaker 2: I don't understand what tamp is trying to do offensively

1807
01:35:20,360 --> 01:35:20,759
Speaker 2: to go ahead?

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01:35:21,120 --> 01:35:23,000
Speaker 1: Well, I think what they're trying to do is exploit

1809
01:35:23,040 --> 01:35:25,280
Speaker 1: the middle of the field because, like we discussed earlier

1810
01:35:25,320 --> 01:35:27,800
Speaker 1: in the game, Uh, they see the same thing that

1811
01:35:28,200 --> 01:35:30,320
Speaker 1: we saw last week against him. By the way, that

1812
01:35:30,439 --> 01:35:32,920
Speaker 1: was just a really badly missed block at the line

1813
01:35:32,960 --> 01:35:34,240
Speaker 1: of scrimmage. That's the reason why.

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01:35:34,240 --> 01:35:37,200
Speaker 2: They're coming off the edge. No one touched him. Three

1815
01:35:37,520 --> 01:35:40,839
Speaker 2: sacks have been just straight line sacks, but not a blocker.

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01:35:41,080 --> 01:35:43,479
Speaker 1: Well it well it's been it's been an effort to

1817
01:35:43,560 --> 01:35:45,559
Speaker 1: get the blocking job done here. It was a really

1818
01:35:45,640 --> 01:35:48,120
Speaker 1: bad job by the back trying to step up and

1819
01:35:48,240 --> 01:35:51,080
Speaker 1: get to the fourth stronger week. You saw him slip

1820
01:35:51,160 --> 01:35:54,320
Speaker 1: out of the backfield after the playfake, and that's how

1821
01:35:54,600 --> 01:35:57,160
Speaker 1: that's how the blitz got home. And and you can't

1822
01:35:57,240 --> 01:35:59,400
Speaker 1: have that, you know, you you have to carry out

1823
01:35:59,439 --> 01:36:01,720
Speaker 1: the playfake, but you gotta know your blitz pick up

1824
01:36:01,800 --> 01:36:04,599
Speaker 1: responsibilities if you want to play running back for three

1825
01:36:04,680 --> 01:36:06,960
Speaker 1: downs in this league. And so a little bit of

1826
01:36:07,040 --> 01:36:08,479
Speaker 1: a slip there, all right.

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Speaker 2: So just to follow him on Mike Evans, he's obviously

1828
01:36:12,000 --> 01:36:15,679
Speaker 2: a really, really good receiver. I would say he's inferior

1829
01:36:15,760 --> 01:36:19,040
Speaker 2: to Keenan Allen. I can name ten fifteen receivers in

1830
01:36:19,280 --> 01:36:22,439
Speaker 2: this league that I honestly believe have a bigger impact

1831
01:36:22,520 --> 01:36:23,679
Speaker 2: on the game than Mike Evans.

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01:36:24,720 --> 01:36:30,320
Speaker 1: You're talking about durability and success over a long period

1833
01:36:30,360 --> 01:36:33,680
Speaker 1: of time in the NFL, where I mean he's been

1834
01:36:33,920 --> 01:36:37,240
Speaker 1: against the best players on the planet, heads and shoulders

1835
01:36:37,320 --> 01:36:40,680
Speaker 1: dominant above a lot of the receivers that have come

1836
01:36:40,720 --> 01:36:43,479
Speaker 1: and gone during his time. I just look and then

1837
01:36:43,680 --> 01:36:46,600
Speaker 1: you know you talk about stats. Stats are important for

1838
01:36:46,680 --> 01:36:51,040
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame bids. Those are his individual accomplishments, Like

1839
01:36:51,320 --> 01:36:54,439
Speaker 1: that's what you're essentially rated on when you leave the league.

1840
01:36:54,800 --> 01:36:56,600
Speaker 1: I mean, that's the reason why it's so difficult to

1841
01:36:56,640 --> 01:36:59,360
Speaker 1: get offensive linemen in the Hall of Fame because they

1842
01:36:59,439 --> 01:37:02,400
Speaker 1: don't have you know, that's why it's so difficult to

1843
01:37:02,479 --> 01:37:06,320
Speaker 1: the interior defensive tackles into the Hall of Fame because

1844
01:37:06,360 --> 01:37:09,920
Speaker 1: they don't really have the stats. So so to hear

1845
01:37:10,040 --> 01:37:12,400
Speaker 1: that from you, especially somebody who's so obsessed with the

1846
01:37:12,439 --> 01:37:15,639
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame, Mike Evans feels like a sure fire

1847
01:37:15,720 --> 01:37:16,760
Speaker 1: Hall of Famer in his career.

1848
01:37:17,000 --> 01:37:19,040
Speaker 2: Did you think heines Ward was a Hall of Fame receiver?

1849
01:37:19,360 --> 01:37:21,920
Speaker 2: Absolutely well, he hasn't even gotten a sniff I know,

1850
01:37:22,120 --> 01:37:24,879
Speaker 2: which is to men, he won a Super Bowl MVP

1851
01:37:25,040 --> 01:37:28,160
Speaker 2: award and he had a thousand receptions in his career,

1852
01:37:28,400 --> 01:37:29,280
Speaker 2: a thousand.

1853
01:37:29,960 --> 01:37:33,280
Speaker 1: Heinz Ward was one of the most important players in

1854
01:37:33,439 --> 01:37:37,320
Speaker 1: the league while he was playing multiple called player well,

1855
01:37:37,439 --> 01:37:39,759
Speaker 1: he was a hell of a run blocker. And another

1856
01:37:40,080 --> 01:37:44,439
Speaker 1: part of his game that wasn't that wasn't quantified, you know,

1857
01:37:45,080 --> 01:37:47,960
Speaker 1: is how good he was against against teams in the

1858
01:37:48,040 --> 01:37:51,880
Speaker 1: run game. How many of those big, those big runs,

1859
01:37:52,400 --> 01:37:55,600
Speaker 1: explosive runs that the Steelers had, And obviously that was

1860
01:37:55,680 --> 01:37:57,719
Speaker 1: a team that was known to run the football, especially

1861
01:37:57,800 --> 01:38:01,400
Speaker 1: back then. As a result of hines Ward downfield blocking,

1862
01:38:01,479 --> 01:38:02,320
Speaker 1: he was incredible.

1863
01:38:02,439 --> 01:38:05,600
Speaker 2: All heines Ward played fourteen years with the Steelers was

1864
01:38:05,680 --> 01:38:09,160
Speaker 2: a Super Bowl MVP, two signs, Super Bowl champion.

1865
01:38:09,560 --> 01:38:10,360
Speaker 1: He's never even.

1866
01:38:10,280 --> 01:38:13,880
Speaker 2: Made it to the final fifteen. I mean Evans, and

1867
01:38:14,240 --> 01:38:17,800
Speaker 2: to me, I would rate heines ward career over Mike

1868
01:38:17,880 --> 01:38:18,920
Speaker 2: Evans at this point.

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Speaker 1: I don't disagree with that. I don't disagree with that.

1870
01:38:21,640 --> 01:38:24,160
Speaker 1: I do agree with what you're saying about hines Ward,

1871
01:38:24,240 --> 01:38:25,960
Speaker 1: and I do think that it's a shame he's not

1872
01:38:26,080 --> 01:38:27,840
Speaker 1: in the Hall of Fame, as I would feel the

1873
01:38:27,920 --> 01:38:31,040
Speaker 1: same way if Mike Evans gets left out as well.

1874
01:38:31,439 --> 01:38:33,559
Speaker 2: All right, we had Tampa Bay with a field goal.

1875
01:38:33,640 --> 01:38:35,599
Speaker 2: They have tied up this game, so three to three

1876
01:38:35,760 --> 01:38:37,920
Speaker 2: right now, four minutes to go in the first quarter,

1877
01:38:38,840 --> 01:38:41,080
Speaker 2: and Jared Goff has got to get himself under control

1878
01:38:41,120 --> 01:38:43,200
Speaker 2: a little bit here. Let's go back to Chris, our

1879
01:38:43,280 --> 01:38:48,400
Speaker 2: resident Lions Insider, your observations, Chris, so far on Jared

1880
01:38:48,439 --> 01:38:51,080
Speaker 2: Goff two of six passing so far in this game.

1881
01:38:51,439 --> 01:38:54,599
Speaker 6: Yeah, came out script was definitely to go pass heavy

1882
01:38:54,680 --> 01:38:57,679
Speaker 6: to start to see what this Tampa Bay Buccaneers defense

1883
01:38:57,800 --> 01:39:00,479
Speaker 6: is going to look like. And they're getting more penetration

1884
01:39:00,640 --> 01:39:01,320
Speaker 6: on him so far.

1885
01:39:01,640 --> 01:39:01,840
Speaker 1: Then.

1886
01:39:02,120 --> 01:39:04,599
Speaker 6: I even think the Rams had last week to start

1887
01:39:04,680 --> 01:39:07,880
Speaker 6: the game, so making golf a little uncomfortable to start here.

1888
01:39:08,400 --> 01:39:10,880
Speaker 6: I had no problem with the I could probably tell

1889
01:39:10,960 --> 01:39:13,200
Speaker 6: that you were talking about that third and goal run

1890
01:39:13,360 --> 01:39:13,880
Speaker 6: up the middle.

1891
01:39:14,120 --> 01:39:16,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they're the near interception.

1892
01:39:16,400 --> 01:39:18,840
Speaker 6: Feels like that was Dan Campbell wanting to get some

1893
01:39:18,960 --> 01:39:20,760
Speaker 6: yardage so he could set up a fourth and goal,

1894
01:39:20,920 --> 01:39:24,640
Speaker 6: but didn't get what he wanted on that obviously, So yeah, he.

1895
01:39:24,720 --> 01:39:27,519
Speaker 2: Dropped an f bomb on the sideline after that run. Yeah,

1896
01:39:27,600 --> 01:39:29,880
Speaker 2: so obviously he'll probably start to lean on the run

1897
01:39:29,960 --> 01:39:32,960
Speaker 2: game a little bit more. They they've seen some progress

1898
01:39:32,960 --> 01:39:35,439
Speaker 2: that can maybe run it, but definitely want to tamp

1899
01:39:35,520 --> 01:39:37,759
Speaker 2: down and just be mindful of the pressure. This game's

1900
01:39:37,760 --> 01:39:41,000
Speaker 2: not really going Excuse me that I thought, I really

1901
01:39:41,040 --> 01:39:44,280
Speaker 2: thought we'd see a shootout, but both offenses are looking

1902
01:39:44,320 --> 01:39:48,280
Speaker 2: a little shaky against two teams would rather suspect defenses

1903
01:39:48,400 --> 01:39:50,200
Speaker 2: rich Yeah, yeah.

1904
01:39:50,280 --> 01:39:53,880
Speaker 1: I mean, don't get me wrong. Obviously, you hem things

1905
01:39:53,920 --> 01:39:56,840
Speaker 1: in when you get to the postseason, you don't have

1906
01:39:56,960 --> 01:39:59,080
Speaker 1: a lot left to worry about other than the next

1907
01:39:59,120 --> 01:40:02,080
Speaker 1: team on your schedule. Well, and the playoffs has its

1908
01:40:02,120 --> 01:40:05,400
Speaker 1: own speed. So I think what you'll see sometimes out

1909
01:40:05,439 --> 01:40:09,439
Speaker 1: of defenses, especially in the NFL, when you get to

1910
01:40:09,520 --> 01:40:12,800
Speaker 1: the division rounding the wildcard round, is you'll see a

1911
01:40:12,920 --> 01:40:15,479
Speaker 1: better effort from some of these guys, you know. And

1912
01:40:15,960 --> 01:40:19,360
Speaker 1: that's what I've at least early in the game so far,

1913
01:40:19,560 --> 01:40:22,439
Speaker 1: have seen from Tampa Bay. I don't think this defense

1914
01:40:22,479 --> 01:40:24,320
Speaker 1: strikes a lot of fear into the hearts of a

1915
01:40:24,400 --> 01:40:26,600
Speaker 1: lot of teams. But I think over the course of

1916
01:40:26,640 --> 01:40:29,639
Speaker 1: the season, Todd Bowls has done some nice things against

1917
01:40:29,680 --> 01:40:33,439
Speaker 1: teams that have some deficiencies, and the Detroit Lions, they

1918
01:40:33,479 --> 01:40:37,360
Speaker 1: do have some deficiencies, it'll rear its head in different weeks.

1919
01:40:37,640 --> 01:40:40,240
Speaker 1: Like sometimes they struggle running the football. Sometimes they have

1920
01:40:40,320 --> 01:40:43,679
Speaker 1: a little bit of a struggle connecting in the passing

1921
01:40:43,760 --> 01:40:46,479
Speaker 1: game because Jared Goff is off. I'm curious if that's

1922
01:40:46,520 --> 01:40:47,559
Speaker 1: going to be one of these games.

1923
01:40:47,680 --> 01:40:51,280
Speaker 6: And the Lions defense, we've talked about it has been

1924
01:40:51,800 --> 01:40:54,280
Speaker 6: the word that I keep hearing getting used as opportunistic.

1925
01:40:54,400 --> 01:40:56,519
Speaker 6: They want to be able to blitz you and get

1926
01:40:56,600 --> 01:40:58,559
Speaker 6: you in a long down distance like they were doing

1927
01:40:58,600 --> 01:41:01,519
Speaker 6: the Baker Mayfield in the last and then they hope

1928
01:41:01,520 --> 01:41:03,240
Speaker 6: they just want you to make a mistake and get

1929
01:41:03,240 --> 01:41:05,960
Speaker 6: a turnover. And that's been the blueprints so far for

1930
01:41:06,000 --> 01:41:09,479
Speaker 6: the Lions. In this game, they had the CJ. Gardner

1931
01:41:09,560 --> 01:41:12,080
Speaker 6: Johnson pick on the first drive, and they sacked Baker

1932
01:41:12,120 --> 01:41:16,639
Speaker 6: Mayfield twice. Well, here's something for the Detroit offense. Aamar

1933
01:41:16,800 --> 01:41:20,479
Speaker 6: Ross Brown two targets, zero catches, Sam Laporta one target,

1934
01:41:20,640 --> 01:41:21,320
Speaker 6: zero catches.

1935
01:41:21,720 --> 01:41:26,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, so these are your two premiere receivers and we

1936
01:41:26,240 --> 01:41:28,320
Speaker 2: are inside four minutes of ago on the first quarter.

1937
01:41:28,479 --> 01:41:32,240
Speaker 2: Neither one has a reception so far. All right, let's

1938
01:41:32,920 --> 01:41:36,720
Speaker 2: continue on here and find out what is trending.

1939
01:41:37,800 --> 01:41:38,000
Speaker 1: There.

1940
01:41:38,040 --> 01:41:42,920
Speaker 2: He is once again Ryan Finley, de fen Steve and

1941
01:41:43,080 --> 01:41:43,639
Speaker 2: rich As.

1942
01:41:43,760 --> 01:41:47,240
Speaker 5: Chris p was mentioning Baker Mayfield early on in this

1943
01:41:47,560 --> 01:41:51,040
Speaker 5: NFC Division Round playoff game, sort of a pick of Saurus.

1944
01:41:51,520 --> 01:41:54,200
Speaker 7: They knock up the ear pick up on the Lions.

1945
01:41:54,320 --> 01:41:56,479
Speaker 7: It is picked up by CD Dukes trying to come

1946
01:41:56,560 --> 01:41:59,200
Speaker 7: back across the fifty yard line and he is taking

1947
01:41:59,280 --> 01:42:01,880
Speaker 7: down inside the forty five and shut down about the

1948
01:42:02,000 --> 01:42:05,000
Speaker 7: thirty nine knocked up in the air, ced Noose ran

1949
01:42:05,160 --> 01:42:06,919
Speaker 7: under it and the Lions with a takeaway.

1950
01:42:06,960 --> 01:42:08,320
Speaker 1: They've got it Bucks.

1951
01:42:08,160 --> 01:42:10,960
Speaker 2: Territory Lions or Radio Network. That was CJ.

1952
01:42:11,120 --> 01:42:14,240
Speaker 5: Gardner Johnson with the interception, and we are at three

1953
01:42:14,320 --> 01:42:16,479
Speaker 5: a piece. The Lions were able to get a field goal.

1954
01:42:16,800 --> 01:42:19,280
Speaker 5: They have exchange field goals. Three minutes to play or so.

1955
01:42:19,960 --> 01:42:22,680
Speaker 5: In the first quarter, Baker Mayfield his numbers three to

1956
01:42:22,800 --> 01:42:25,320
Speaker 5: five through the air forty nine yards.

1957
01:42:25,840 --> 01:42:27,120
Speaker 2: He's been sacked twice.

1958
01:42:27,439 --> 01:42:29,880
Speaker 5: You also have Jared Goff just three of seven as

1959
01:42:29,920 --> 01:42:33,080
Speaker 5: the guys are mentioning twenty one yards. Jamar Gibbs has

1960
01:42:33,120 --> 01:42:35,320
Speaker 5: two carries for eleven yards. See is the leading ball

1961
01:42:35,400 --> 01:42:38,639
Speaker 5: carrier as far as yards is concerned. For Detroit coming

1962
01:42:38,720 --> 01:42:41,880
Speaker 5: up at six thirty Eastern time. The Buffalo Bills will

1963
01:42:41,880 --> 01:42:44,880
Speaker 5: be taking on the Kansas City Chiefs, and related to

1964
01:42:45,040 --> 01:42:47,479
Speaker 5: that game, as far as some injury notes, NFL Network

1965
01:42:47,560 --> 01:42:50,439
Speaker 5: is reporting that Bill's quarterback Russ Suwell Douglas, dealing with

1966
01:42:50,520 --> 01:42:53,360
Speaker 5: a knee injury, is most likely going to be able

1967
01:42:53,400 --> 01:42:55,080
Speaker 5: to play in this game, and sam can be said

1968
01:42:55,160 --> 01:42:59,679
Speaker 5: for Buffalo dB Tarren Johnson, who is working his way out.

1969
01:42:59,600 --> 01:43:01,080
Speaker 2: Of Concrussian protocol.

1970
01:43:01,680 --> 01:43:04,800
Speaker 5: As far as the NBA ESPN is reporting, Trey Young

1971
01:43:05,000 --> 01:43:08,040
Speaker 5: is going to be sidelined indefinitely with a concussion. We

1972
01:43:08,080 --> 01:43:11,800
Speaker 5: are watching some college basketball involving top twenty five teams

1973
01:43:11,880 --> 01:43:14,599
Speaker 5: and number ten Memphis is in trouble right now at

1974
01:43:15,000 --> 01:43:19,080
Speaker 5: Tulane and Tulane is in front by four points. Memphis

1975
01:43:19,120 --> 01:43:21,280
Speaker 5: is at the free throw line here, but it's eighty

1976
01:43:21,320 --> 01:43:23,679
Speaker 5: one to seventy seven to two lane forty four ticks

1977
01:43:23,720 --> 01:43:27,120
Speaker 5: to go in the second quarter, so a major upset

1978
01:43:27,200 --> 01:43:30,040
Speaker 5: could be seen there. As far as what else is

1979
01:43:30,080 --> 01:43:34,040
Speaker 5: happening in college basketball, we do know that number fourteen

1980
01:43:34,120 --> 01:43:37,880
Speaker 5: Illinois was able to battle with Rutgers and win eighty

1981
01:43:37,960 --> 01:43:41,320
Speaker 5: six to sixty three. And lastly, guys Caitlin Clark, the

1982
01:43:41,520 --> 01:43:45,880
Speaker 5: transcendent exceptional women's college basketball player who has caught the

1983
01:43:45,960 --> 01:43:50,519
Speaker 5: eyes of the nation. Her number two iowahaw Gys lost

1984
01:43:50,640 --> 01:43:52,840
Speaker 5: on the road to Ohio State. And there is video

1985
01:43:53,000 --> 01:43:56,639
Speaker 5: surface and going viral now of these students running onto

1986
01:43:56,640 --> 01:43:59,400
Speaker 5: the Florida Ohio State after they beat the number two Hawkeys.

1987
01:44:00,080 --> 01:44:03,720
Speaker 5: One student is not even paying attention and at full

1988
01:44:03,840 --> 01:44:07,080
Speaker 5: speed bowls over Kayln Clark who was trying to make

1989
01:44:07,160 --> 01:44:09,000
Speaker 5: a b line to the locker room off the court,

1990
01:44:09,040 --> 01:44:11,720
Speaker 5: and there was a serious collision. Video is out there.

1991
01:44:11,760 --> 01:44:14,799
Speaker 5: You can go check it out on socials. Nobody was hurt, thankfully,

1992
01:44:15,080 --> 01:44:16,920
Speaker 5: but it could have been a lot worse. Steve I

1993
01:44:17,120 --> 01:44:20,360
Speaker 5: was saying it was intentional or unintentional. It's hard to

1994
01:44:20,439 --> 01:44:23,439
Speaker 5: say it's intentional because if you look at the person

1995
01:44:23,479 --> 01:44:26,599
Speaker 5: who runs into her, that person isn't looking at her.

1996
01:44:27,680 --> 01:44:29,760
Speaker 5: It was like there was a mob in the middle

1997
01:44:29,760 --> 01:44:32,599
Speaker 5: of the court of mayhem of students and that person

1998
01:44:32,760 --> 01:44:35,280
Speaker 5: was just so dead set on getting to the middle

1999
01:44:35,280 --> 01:44:38,519
Speaker 5: of the court. And then Kaylen Clark, it's it's like

2000
01:44:38,920 --> 01:44:41,240
Speaker 5: a four way stop. You're going one way and the

2001
01:44:41,320 --> 01:44:43,440
Speaker 5: call to your left is running.

2002
01:44:43,160 --> 01:44:46,240
Speaker 1: Into say, that's kind of blind exactly, you know, I

2003
01:44:46,720 --> 01:44:49,519
Speaker 1: hate this so much. I mean, I know this sounds

2004
01:44:49,600 --> 01:44:51,760
Speaker 1: like such a stick in the mud take. And I

2005
01:44:51,880 --> 01:44:55,720
Speaker 1: understand fan excitement and the engagement and maybe even the

2006
01:44:55,840 --> 01:44:59,200
Speaker 1: scene that it illustrates on television, but I mean, what

2007
01:44:59,280 --> 01:45:01,160
Speaker 1: are we waiting for somebody would bring a knife?

2008
01:45:01,920 --> 01:45:04,200
Speaker 2: Coach k You remember Coach k to have this problem.

2009
01:45:04,320 --> 01:45:06,840
Speaker 2: Anytime that Duke would lose a game on the road,

2010
01:45:07,280 --> 01:45:10,000
Speaker 2: fans would storm the court and he would go ballistic

2011
01:45:10,080 --> 01:45:14,599
Speaker 2: about it, said, look, you want to storm the court,

2012
01:45:14,720 --> 01:45:16,880
Speaker 2: wait till we get off the court, then you can

2013
01:45:16,920 --> 01:45:17,519
Speaker 2: storm the court.

2014
01:45:17,680 --> 01:45:19,600
Speaker 1: Oh, I think it's so dumb. I think it's so

2015
01:45:19,920 --> 01:45:23,240
Speaker 1: it's dangerous. I mean, all it's gonna take is one

2016
01:45:23,360 --> 01:45:28,519
Speaker 1: person bringing a knife for something. Oh dude. Yeah, people

2017
01:45:28,560 --> 01:45:31,200
Speaker 1: are saying, just run over people and get hurt. I

2018
01:45:31,280 --> 01:45:35,200
Speaker 1: mean somebody gets trampled to death. I mean, what are

2019
01:45:35,240 --> 01:45:35,880
Speaker 1: we waiting by it?

2020
01:45:35,880 --> 01:45:38,000
Speaker 2: But I mean that was Coach kse thing because anytime

2021
01:45:38,080 --> 01:45:41,360
Speaker 2: Duke would lose on the road, obviously all mayhem would

2022
01:45:41,360 --> 01:45:44,640
Speaker 2: break loose and it was impossible for him and his

2023
01:45:44,720 --> 01:45:48,559
Speaker 2: team to get off the court. And he would say, look,

2024
01:45:48,640 --> 01:45:51,799
Speaker 2: I'm not again celebrating. I get the fact you're excited.

2025
01:45:51,840 --> 01:45:54,439
Speaker 2: You beat us, Let us get off the court, then

2026
01:45:54,600 --> 01:45:55,840
Speaker 2: then all will come break loose.

2027
01:45:56,000 --> 01:45:59,840
Speaker 1: I completely listen. I don't even think it's necessarily safe

2028
01:46:00,320 --> 01:46:01,439
Speaker 1: for the players who won.

2029
01:46:01,760 --> 01:46:02,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not.

2030
01:46:03,000 --> 01:46:04,640
Speaker 1: I don't think it's I don't think it's safe for

2031
01:46:04,720 --> 01:46:07,800
Speaker 1: the fans. I think it should be something. I mean, look,

2032
01:46:07,960 --> 01:46:11,960
Speaker 1: I know it's gonna continue until something awful happens. I

2033
01:46:12,080 --> 01:46:14,400
Speaker 1: just don't understand why we think that's all right.

2034
01:46:14,520 --> 01:46:17,559
Speaker 2: I'll never forget this the game where Hank Aaron broke

2035
01:46:17,680 --> 01:46:20,400
Speaker 2: Babruce all time home run record, and remember he was

2036
01:46:20,479 --> 01:46:24,200
Speaker 2: facing death threats and everything else because you know, black

2037
01:46:24,280 --> 01:46:26,599
Speaker 2: Man was going to break this hollowed record of baseball.

2038
01:46:27,040 --> 01:46:29,920
Speaker 2: And as he is coming toward third base, two fans

2039
01:46:30,040 --> 01:46:34,800
Speaker 2: are actually on the field running toward him. Now, they

2040
01:46:34,840 --> 01:46:38,200
Speaker 2: were excited, brace fans, and they were there to congratulate him,

2041
01:46:38,200 --> 01:46:40,160
Speaker 2: But how do you know exactly? How do you know

2042
01:46:40,280 --> 01:46:43,599
Speaker 2: what the intention was at Every time I see that visual,

2043
01:46:43,640 --> 01:46:46,160
Speaker 2: I'm like, how did those guys get on the field

2044
01:46:46,640 --> 01:46:49,880
Speaker 2: while he's actually still running the basis? How did it

2045
01:46:50,000 --> 01:46:50,559
Speaker 2: even happen?

2046
01:46:50,720 --> 01:46:54,920
Speaker 1: I think that, like in this situation with Caitlin Clark,

2047
01:46:55,160 --> 01:46:59,120
Speaker 1: I sincerely hope she's not injured, but if she is like,

2048
01:46:59,240 --> 01:47:01,880
Speaker 1: if the result of this is you know, I mean, okay,

2049
01:47:02,000 --> 01:47:04,760
Speaker 1: let's put it this way. Say she's hurt, but say

2050
01:47:04,840 --> 01:47:07,519
Speaker 1: it's a broken finger, you know what I mean, And

2051
01:47:07,640 --> 01:47:10,120
Speaker 1: it's not something that's life threatening. You know, nobody got

2052
01:47:10,200 --> 01:47:15,040
Speaker 1: stabbed obviously. I'm just saying avoiding the crazy situations that

2053
01:47:15,120 --> 01:47:18,560
Speaker 1: could occur when you have crazed fans running onto the

2054
01:47:18,640 --> 01:47:21,560
Speaker 1: court to celebrate. How about just something like that, like

2055
01:47:21,720 --> 01:47:25,360
Speaker 1: say she gets a spiral flut fracture in one inner

2056
01:47:25,479 --> 01:47:29,160
Speaker 1: index finger and her season's over, right because she ran

2057
01:47:29,240 --> 01:47:32,560
Speaker 1: into some Buckeyes fan, Like, what a ridiculous thing we

2058
01:47:32,680 --> 01:47:33,400
Speaker 1: allow people to do.

2059
01:47:33,600 --> 01:47:35,479
Speaker 2: Defen you want a comment, yeah, just quickly.

2060
01:47:35,720 --> 01:47:38,479
Speaker 5: If we're going to wait until the say, visiting team

2061
01:47:38,640 --> 01:47:40,759
Speaker 5: exits the court and you've got a bunch of drunk

2062
01:47:40,880 --> 01:47:43,280
Speaker 5: kids and you expect them to listen to you and wait,

2063
01:47:43,600 --> 01:47:45,559
Speaker 5: that's going to be an issue. And by the way,

2064
01:47:45,600 --> 01:47:48,840
Speaker 5: you're absolutely right, Rich Not everybody that's rushing onto the

2065
01:47:48,920 --> 01:47:51,240
Speaker 5: court is the kissing bandit.

2066
01:47:51,840 --> 01:47:55,320
Speaker 1: No, And by the way, which by the way, that's

2067
01:47:55,360 --> 01:47:56,720
Speaker 1: the all bring her back.

2068
01:47:56,880 --> 01:48:00,759
Speaker 2: We'll also remember we've had the ultimate antennae where Monica

2069
01:48:00,880 --> 01:48:06,160
Speaker 2: Sellis was stabbed by a Stephanie Graff fan who was

2070
01:48:06,240 --> 01:48:09,160
Speaker 2: upset that Monica Selis had become the number one ranked

2071
01:48:09,400 --> 01:48:12,880
Speaker 2: a tennis player in the world, knocking stephan Graff off

2072
01:48:12,920 --> 01:48:16,120
Speaker 2: her pedestal and it changed the course of tennis history

2073
01:48:16,240 --> 01:48:17,120
Speaker 2: on the women's side.

2074
01:48:17,280 --> 01:48:19,960
Speaker 1: And there you go, like, okay, so it did happen.

2075
01:48:20,280 --> 01:48:23,559
Speaker 1: I've this is the first time I even heard that story.

2076
01:48:23,600 --> 01:48:25,360
Speaker 1: I'm not you never heard this story.

2077
01:48:26,000 --> 01:48:28,320
Speaker 2: She Monica SEUs was standing on the side of the

2078
01:48:28,400 --> 01:48:32,439
Speaker 2: court and some zealous Stephie Graff fan came up to

2079
01:48:32,439 --> 01:48:33,600
Speaker 2: her and stabbed her.

2080
01:48:33,800 --> 01:48:37,519
Speaker 1: Dude, So there it is. That's all the precedent you need.

2081
01:48:38,040 --> 01:48:40,800
Speaker 1: One of these days, a kid, you know, we're talking

2082
01:48:40,800 --> 01:48:43,760
Speaker 1: about eighteen to twenty year old, twenty two year old,

2083
01:48:44,120 --> 01:48:46,920
Speaker 1: A kid is going to end up in a situation

2084
01:48:47,360 --> 01:48:51,840
Speaker 1: where he or she gets beat up or stabbed or

2085
01:48:51,960 --> 01:48:54,560
Speaker 1: wor you know, or worse, who knows, I mean. And

2086
01:48:54,960 --> 01:48:57,719
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, we're going to be playing

2087
01:48:57,760 --> 01:49:00,720
Speaker 1: the kudushita would a game, and it's just dumb. It's

2088
01:49:00,760 --> 01:49:03,720
Speaker 1: all very like, Look, you just have to hire security.

2089
01:49:04,160 --> 01:49:06,439
Speaker 1: You got to make sure that anybody who breaks those

2090
01:49:06,520 --> 01:49:12,120
Speaker 1: rules they're held to to heavy punishment. I think It's

2091
01:49:12,200 --> 01:49:16,519
Speaker 1: one of the most unsafe environments in all of sport

2092
01:49:16,920 --> 01:49:20,920
Speaker 1: is the field after an upset victory or loss, depending

2093
01:49:20,960 --> 01:49:24,120
Speaker 1: what side you're on it, because anything can happen. It's

2094
01:49:24,479 --> 01:49:26,479
Speaker 1: it's absolute pandemonium, all right.

2095
01:49:26,520 --> 01:49:31,120
Speaker 2: We have listeners of this show, apparently on the Lion's sideline.

2096
01:49:31,160 --> 01:49:34,800
Speaker 2: We mentioned the fact that Laporta and Saint Brown had

2097
01:49:34,840 --> 01:49:39,880
Speaker 2: combined for zero receptions. On this drive. Jared Goff is

2098
01:49:40,000 --> 01:49:43,720
Speaker 2: seven for seven. Laporta has three catches, Saint Brown has

2099
01:49:43,880 --> 01:49:44,719
Speaker 2: two catches.

2100
01:49:44,840 --> 01:49:46,240
Speaker 1: You're inside the red zone.

2101
01:49:46,040 --> 01:49:49,479
Speaker 2: And they're inside the red zone. So suddenly Jared Goff,

2102
01:49:49,560 --> 01:49:52,800
Speaker 2: after a two for six start, is seven for seven

2103
01:49:52,920 --> 01:49:55,240
Speaker 2: on this drive and he's going to his top receivers.

2104
01:49:55,600 --> 01:49:59,160
Speaker 2: They have a first down now at the fourteen yard line,

2105
01:49:59,479 --> 01:50:01,679
Speaker 2: and this is more of what I expected to see

2106
01:50:01,720 --> 01:50:06,200
Speaker 2: from the Lions. There's an incomplete pass right there, but

2107
01:50:06,680 --> 01:50:08,960
Speaker 2: once again they got they get the passing game going.

2108
01:50:09,080 --> 01:50:12,280
Speaker 2: And you know, Sam Laporta, what a story. Is the

2109
01:50:12,320 --> 01:50:14,439
Speaker 2: great rookie for the Lions. Of course, he got injured

2110
01:50:14,439 --> 01:50:16,320
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks ago. He's back in full force.

2111
01:50:16,400 --> 01:50:18,920
Speaker 2: Made the Pro Bowl as a rookie this year, second

2112
01:50:19,000 --> 01:50:23,040
Speaker 2: team All Pro, and this guy has really been a

2113
01:50:23,120 --> 01:50:25,599
Speaker 2: force for this Lion's offense. Amazing. When you get one

2114
01:50:25,680 --> 01:50:28,880
Speaker 2: of those tight ends that you can put anywhere in

2115
01:50:28,960 --> 01:50:31,439
Speaker 2: the slot. He can put him as a wide receiver,

2116
01:50:31,960 --> 01:50:34,839
Speaker 2: so many ways to use him. They become a matchup

2117
01:50:35,040 --> 01:50:37,240
Speaker 2: nightmares for defenses, no question.

2118
01:50:37,520 --> 01:50:40,280
Speaker 1: And also I love the way they're trying to attack

2119
01:50:40,360 --> 01:50:44,000
Speaker 1: this Tampa Bay Buccaneers defense over the middle of the field.

2120
01:50:44,040 --> 01:50:46,800
Speaker 1: They're gonna have success because whenever Tampa tries to run

2121
01:50:46,960 --> 01:50:50,960
Speaker 1: zone against Laporta, he's smart enough to find the windows,

2122
01:50:51,040 --> 01:50:53,920
Speaker 1: slow down for his quarterback, allow them to connect, and

2123
01:50:53,960 --> 01:50:55,800
Speaker 1: then he's great with the football on his hands after

2124
01:50:55,880 --> 01:50:56,280
Speaker 1: the catch.

2125
01:50:56,560 --> 01:51:00,760
Speaker 2: All right, So we now have a third down for

2126
01:51:01,040 --> 01:51:04,360
Speaker 2: the Lions and they are let me just get an

2127
01:51:04,439 --> 01:51:07,840
Speaker 2: update here. So we got a third and five and

2128
01:51:07,880 --> 01:51:10,640
Speaker 2: they're at the nine yard line of Tampa Bay. So

2129
01:51:10,840 --> 01:51:13,479
Speaker 2: this is where you got to make plays. You can't

2130
01:51:13,520 --> 01:51:16,000
Speaker 2: settle for field goals. You need to get the ball

2131
01:51:16,200 --> 01:51:19,120
Speaker 2: into the end zone. Golf is looking to pass throws

2132
01:51:19,160 --> 01:51:26,519
Speaker 2: in the end zone. Touchdown Detroit wide open, Wow, wide

2133
01:51:26,560 --> 01:51:29,920
Speaker 2: open over. Yes, the middle of the field isn't look

2134
01:51:29,960 --> 01:51:31,320
Speaker 2: from Golf, it really.

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Speaker 1: Looked that way. It looked like he was looking off

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01:51:33,360 --> 01:51:37,800
Speaker 1: to his right, and yeah, and so he stole the

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01:51:37,920 --> 01:51:39,000
Speaker 1: safety's attention.

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01:51:39,439 --> 01:51:42,479
Speaker 2: Josh Reynolds on the receiving a nine yard touchdown reception,

2139
01:51:42,680 --> 01:51:44,040
Speaker 2: but he was wide open.

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01:51:44,120 --> 01:51:46,080
Speaker 6: Wow, I want to talk about another guy from the

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01:51:46,240 --> 01:51:49,519
Speaker 6: Rams who has had quite the revitalization in Detroit. Josh

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01:51:49,600 --> 01:51:52,960
Speaker 6: Reynolds has been very dependable for him, we agree, But that.

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01:51:53,120 --> 01:51:55,760
Speaker 2: Was GoF right there. You guys called it perfectly. He's

2144
01:51:55,920 --> 01:51:59,920
Speaker 2: looking right and then in the I don't know corn,

2145
01:52:00,280 --> 01:52:03,240
Speaker 2: his eyes saw Reynolds break free and he just changed

2146
01:52:03,280 --> 01:52:04,240
Speaker 2: the direction of the past.

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01:52:04,439 --> 01:52:07,800
Speaker 1: Well, he knew what Reynolds was tasked to do here.

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01:52:08,040 --> 01:52:10,160
Speaker 1: So what you had is a low route they called

2149
01:52:10,160 --> 01:52:13,120
Speaker 1: a whip route at the goal line with the interior

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01:52:13,200 --> 01:52:15,720
Speaker 1: receiver who stopped right at the goal line and then

2151
01:52:15,800 --> 01:52:19,120
Speaker 1: worked his way back outside. Reynolds ran the post from

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01:52:19,360 --> 01:52:23,120
Speaker 1: that from the numbers and what he was doing, what

2153
01:52:23,360 --> 01:52:26,280
Speaker 1: Golf was doing was training his eyes to the right

2154
01:52:26,360 --> 01:52:29,479
Speaker 1: side of the field against split safety coverage which kept

2155
01:52:29,600 --> 01:52:33,280
Speaker 1: that safety over to the right side, so he had

2156
01:52:33,400 --> 01:52:36,000
Speaker 1: no feel on where Reynolds was. He got behind the

2157
01:52:36,160 --> 01:52:39,000
Speaker 1: defender and he was able to come open right between

2158
01:52:39,040 --> 01:52:41,880
Speaker 1: the goalposts for the first score. First touchdown. He should

2159
01:52:41,920 --> 01:52:44,920
Speaker 1: say of the day that was a really really good

2160
01:52:45,000 --> 01:52:48,960
Speaker 1: play design, but an excellent execution by Jared Goff and Reynolds.

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01:52:49,080 --> 01:52:52,000
Speaker 2: Goff was nine of ten passing on that scoring drive.

2162
01:52:52,120 --> 01:52:54,439
Speaker 2: I think the right of ten passing after a two

2163
01:52:54,520 --> 01:52:55,920
Speaker 2: for six starts, so I.

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01:52:55,960 --> 01:52:58,960
Speaker 1: Think he was a little nervous in the he like

2165
01:52:59,280 --> 01:52:59,960
Speaker 1: a little opening.

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01:53:00,400 --> 01:53:02,000
Speaker 2: There was a little nerves now, there was comp of

2167
01:53:02,120 --> 01:53:04,439
Speaker 2: shaky passes, but he's in a groove right now. Nine

2168
01:53:04,479 --> 01:53:06,479
Speaker 2: to ten pass and that drive. Lions take a ten

2169
01:53:06,520 --> 01:53:09,160
Speaker 2: to three lead, twelve thirty to go in the first

2170
01:53:09,200 --> 01:53:12,519
Speaker 2: half of Continue on with this game's coverage and uh

2171
01:53:13,080 --> 01:53:17,000
Speaker 2: the dream matchup later on between the Chiefs, Patrick Mahomes,

2172
01:53:17,479 --> 01:53:19,560
Speaker 2: Josh Allen and the Bills. Keep it here. This is

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01:53:19,760 --> 01:53:23,599
Speaker 2: Fox Sports Red Zone Radio Golf back drifting Wright setting

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01:53:23,640 --> 01:53:27,080
Speaker 2: throwing end zone wide open, caught touchdown Detroit Lions.

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01:53:27,439 --> 01:53:29,680
Speaker 1: Josh Reynolds again.

2176
01:53:29,720 --> 01:53:32,559
Speaker 7: Terrific protection up front golfhead time.

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01:53:32,960 --> 01:53:35,600
Speaker 1: Reynolds came streaking all by himself.

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01:53:35,240 --> 01:53:37,879
Speaker 2: Across the back of the end zone head golf delivered

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01:53:38,240 --> 01:53:41,320
Speaker 2: Lions Radio Network. There ten to three lead for the Lions.

2180
01:53:41,520 --> 01:53:44,719
Speaker 2: Tampa Bay has been forced to punt, so the Lions

2181
01:53:44,760 --> 01:53:47,000
Speaker 2: will get the ball back nine forty one to go

2182
01:53:47,080 --> 01:53:49,759
Speaker 2: on the first half of that game. Steve Hartman, Rich Ornberger,

2183
01:53:49,800 --> 01:53:53,000
Speaker 2: Fox Sports Red Zone Radio we Alive from the tire

2184
01:53:53,360 --> 01:53:59,200
Speaker 2: Rock dot Com studios. Tampa Bay's drive got derailed by

2185
01:53:59,320 --> 01:54:04,040
Speaker 2: an off to pass interfere It's an illegal pick by

2186
01:54:04,200 --> 01:54:07,800
Speaker 2: Tampa Bay to get a receiver opened. The penalized came

2187
01:54:07,920 --> 01:54:10,519
Speaker 2: up a yard short. I think Todd Bowles for a

2188
01:54:10,680 --> 01:54:13,599
Speaker 2: split second considered going for it on fourth and one

2189
01:54:13,680 --> 01:54:23,519
Speaker 2: in his own territory, wisely decided to punt the ball away. Yeah, yeah, no, no, no, no, no,

2190
01:54:23,880 --> 01:54:27,240
Speaker 2: no no. I hope you know, with the firing of

2191
01:54:27,320 --> 01:54:31,519
Speaker 2: someone like Brandon Staley who really remember it all came

2192
01:54:31,560 --> 01:54:33,960
Speaker 2: Remember the shootout game between the Chargers and the Browns

2193
01:54:33,960 --> 01:54:35,920
Speaker 2: a couple of years ago. Yeah, they kept going for

2194
01:54:36,000 --> 01:54:38,839
Speaker 2: it on fourth down and they were successful, and suddenly

2195
01:54:38,920 --> 01:54:41,720
Speaker 2: this planet a seat in every coach's head that yeah, hey,

2196
01:54:42,560 --> 01:54:45,920
Speaker 2: fourth down and two own territory, let's go for it.

2197
01:54:46,280 --> 01:54:50,080
Speaker 2: The analytics say, what analytics, Well, I don't just stupid football,

2198
01:54:50,480 --> 01:54:53,960
Speaker 2: and now we're seeing less of it around the NFL.

2199
01:54:54,120 --> 01:54:57,800
Speaker 1: I think it was really Doug Peterson who began the

2200
01:54:57,960 --> 01:55:02,680
Speaker 1: trend in Philadelphia, where he really was banging the drum

2201
01:55:03,080 --> 01:55:05,400
Speaker 1: that said, why do we punt so much in this league?

2202
01:55:05,840 --> 01:55:09,960
Speaker 1: You know, why are we considered aggressive when it actually

2203
01:55:10,160 --> 01:55:14,120
Speaker 1: is analytically more successful if you go for some of

2204
01:55:14,200 --> 01:55:16,920
Speaker 1: these fourth downs in some of these situations. And he

2205
01:55:17,160 --> 01:55:22,360
Speaker 1: was really a coach who revolutionized the way that offensive

2206
01:55:22,400 --> 01:55:30,000
Speaker 1: coordinators and head coaches managed their situations with plus plus

2207
01:55:30,120 --> 01:55:32,680
Speaker 1: side punts, you know, meaning once you're across the fifty

2208
01:55:32,760 --> 01:55:34,920
Speaker 1: yard line and you're on your opponent's side of the field,

2209
01:55:35,400 --> 01:55:38,560
Speaker 1: you know you're facing a fourth in three, and your

2210
01:55:38,640 --> 01:55:42,080
Speaker 1: offense is performing well and your defense is performing well,

2211
01:55:42,120 --> 01:55:44,800
Speaker 1: It's like, why not take the shot at it? With

2212
01:55:45,080 --> 01:55:47,680
Speaker 1: the conversion rate being what it is on fourth down

2213
01:55:47,840 --> 01:55:50,640
Speaker 1: and not only internally, with some of these teams are

2214
01:55:50,680 --> 01:55:54,000
Speaker 1: widespread throughout the league getting three yards. If it's something

2215
01:55:54,080 --> 01:55:56,600
Speaker 1: you trust your offense to do and you trust your

2216
01:55:56,640 --> 01:55:59,160
Speaker 1: defense to be able to defend a half field, why

2217
01:55:59,240 --> 01:56:02,080
Speaker 1: not go for it. So that really proliferated the rest

2218
01:56:02,120 --> 01:56:04,400
Speaker 1: of the NFL and Brandon Staley, I think is the

2219
01:56:04,520 --> 01:56:06,400
Speaker 1: result of that type of mentality.

2220
01:56:06,880 --> 01:56:09,720
Speaker 2: I'm not for it at all unless you have a

2221
01:56:09,760 --> 01:56:13,880
Speaker 2: completely overmatched opponent. The NFL is too good. NFL is

2222
01:56:13,920 --> 01:56:16,040
Speaker 2: too good. I mean, I'm sorry, I mean you and

2223
01:56:16,200 --> 01:56:19,600
Speaker 2: more and often than not, we'se tec teams regretting it.

2224
01:56:19,760 --> 01:56:23,600
Speaker 2: It's about field position and it was a smart play

2225
01:56:23,640 --> 01:56:27,040
Speaker 2: by Tampa. By the way, Jared Goff is running. I

2226
01:56:27,360 --> 01:56:29,800
Speaker 2: heard the stat this morning with the guys talking about

2227
01:56:29,840 --> 01:56:33,320
Speaker 2: that all four quarterbacks I think Brian Now had this

2228
01:56:33,400 --> 01:56:40,520
Speaker 2: stat all four quarterbacks last week were over all four

2229
01:56:40,640 --> 01:56:44,160
Speaker 2: quarterbacks yesterday were rushing attempts.

2230
01:56:44,280 --> 01:56:44,440
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2231
01:56:44,520 --> 01:56:49,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, And already we've seen Jared Goff with a couple

2232
01:56:49,800 --> 01:56:52,040
Speaker 2: of runs in this game for positive yards.

2233
01:56:52,320 --> 01:56:55,640
Speaker 1: Well, if you think about it, I believe the plan

2234
01:56:55,920 --> 01:56:59,400
Speaker 1: for many of these teams is similar. Right, We're going

2235
01:56:59,480 --> 01:57:01,680
Speaker 1: to do our best to stop the run. Like think

2236
01:57:01,720 --> 01:57:03,840
Speaker 1: about if you're preparing for the forty nine ers, what

2237
01:57:03,960 --> 01:57:05,640
Speaker 1: are you trying to do. We're gonna try to limit

2238
01:57:05,720 --> 01:57:08,440
Speaker 1: the damage if you can of Christian McCaffrey out of

2239
01:57:08,440 --> 01:57:10,640
Speaker 1: the backfield and put the game on brock Party. You

2240
01:57:10,720 --> 01:57:12,520
Speaker 1: know what are you gonna do if it's if it's

2241
01:57:12,600 --> 01:57:16,400
Speaker 1: Green Bay Packers, same thing against Jordan Love, same thing.

2242
01:57:16,520 --> 01:57:19,240
Speaker 1: Try to shut down Aaron Jones and make Jordan Love

2243
01:57:19,280 --> 01:57:21,000
Speaker 1: beat you. That's how you sleep at night if you're

2244
01:57:21,000 --> 01:57:24,200
Speaker 1: a defensive coordinator, and the same thing in these games

2245
01:57:24,240 --> 01:57:28,680
Speaker 1: as well, allow Baker if it's going to happen, put

2246
01:57:28,720 --> 01:57:32,080
Speaker 1: the game on Baker's shoulder, Put the game on Jared Goffin.

2247
01:57:32,160 --> 01:57:33,880
Speaker 1: So as a result, what you're seeing is a good

2248
01:57:33,920 --> 01:57:37,640
Speaker 1: amount of pressure being dialed up and moments where a

2249
01:57:37,760 --> 01:57:40,680
Speaker 1: run lane opens for these quarterbacks who are all decent

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01:57:40,800 --> 01:57:42,800
Speaker 1: athletes and can get some yards on the ground.

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Speaker 2: All right, So right now, Detroit with the ball, try

2252
01:57:45,880 --> 01:57:47,720
Speaker 2: to move up the field, add to a lead that

2253
01:57:47,880 --> 01:57:50,480
Speaker 2: is already ten to three, eight and a half minutes

2254
01:57:50,520 --> 01:57:53,040
Speaker 2: to go in the first half of this game. Now,

2255
01:57:53,080 --> 01:57:55,960
Speaker 2: let's get back to Tampa Bay right now, three points

2256
01:57:56,800 --> 01:57:59,280
Speaker 2: against this Lion's defense with eight minutes to go in

2257
01:57:59,320 --> 01:58:01,560
Speaker 2: the first half. I did not see this. I thought

2258
01:58:01,600 --> 01:58:04,160
Speaker 2: that they were going to have more into an impact.

2259
01:58:04,200 --> 01:58:06,280
Speaker 2: By the way, we talked earlier about Mike Evans one

2260
01:58:06,400 --> 01:58:07,360
Speaker 2: catch eighteen yards.

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01:58:08,000 --> 01:58:11,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, he had that one play toward the right sideline.

2262
01:58:11,280 --> 01:58:13,840
Speaker 1: It's been pretty quiet since. Really what it comes down

2263
01:58:13,920 --> 01:58:16,400
Speaker 1: to is their lack of efficiency on third down. They're

2264
01:58:16,480 --> 01:58:19,880
Speaker 1: leaving the field quickly. They're one of four. Meanwhile, the

2265
01:58:20,000 --> 01:58:22,960
Speaker 1: Detroit Lions are operating they're four of six right now.

2266
01:58:23,000 --> 01:58:25,720
Speaker 1: In third down. You gotta win on third down, which

2267
01:58:25,800 --> 01:58:27,840
Speaker 1: means you have to win on the early downs and

2268
01:58:27,920 --> 01:58:31,280
Speaker 1: set yourself up for third and shorter situations so you

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01:58:31,320 --> 01:58:31,880
Speaker 1: can convert.

2270
01:58:32,320 --> 01:58:35,120
Speaker 2: Laporta is having a game so far for the Lions.

2271
01:58:35,480 --> 01:58:38,640
Speaker 2: The rookie has five catches forty six yards. He just

2272
01:58:38,680 --> 01:58:41,320
Speaker 2: picked up a first down for the Lions right now.

2273
01:58:41,440 --> 01:58:44,160
Speaker 2: Is that continue to move the ball? But yeah, if

2274
01:58:44,240 --> 01:58:46,920
Speaker 2: I'm Tampa and this sort of holds up for the

2275
01:58:46,960 --> 01:58:48,800
Speaker 2: rest of the half at halftime, I got to come

2276
01:58:48,840 --> 01:58:51,200
Speaker 2: up with a new strategy here. Baker Mayfield's only thrown

2277
01:58:51,280 --> 01:58:51,960
Speaker 2: seven passes.

2278
01:58:52,160 --> 01:58:52,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is a.

2279
01:58:52,920 --> 01:58:56,080
Speaker 2: Team that we again make Mayfield what he did last

2280
01:58:56,120 --> 01:58:59,440
Speaker 2: week against the Eagles, what we saw Matthew Stafford and

2281
01:58:59,440 --> 01:59:02,160
Speaker 2: the rams pas game due against the Lions last week.

2282
01:59:02,680 --> 01:59:04,880
Speaker 2: There should be more production out of your passing game here.

2283
01:59:05,200 --> 01:59:08,960
Speaker 2: There should be. I don't understand why it's not happening again.

2284
01:59:09,000 --> 01:59:11,440
Speaker 2: A couple of huge sacks took them out of it

2285
01:59:11,560 --> 01:59:13,520
Speaker 2: early on in this game. But Tampa has got to

2286
01:59:13,560 --> 01:59:15,680
Speaker 2: get back to the drawing board and figure out how

2287
01:59:15,720 --> 01:59:18,040
Speaker 2: do we get our passing attack going against a team

2288
01:59:18,520 --> 01:59:21,640
Speaker 2: that is very vulnerable against the pass.

2289
01:59:21,800 --> 01:59:25,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're not doing a good job of giving Baker

2290
01:59:25,480 --> 01:59:28,960
Speaker 1: time against the blitz because we saw the cap blitz,

2291
01:59:29,000 --> 01:59:32,360
Speaker 1: the corner blitz off of the first drive. We saw

2292
01:59:32,440 --> 01:59:35,160
Speaker 1: the safety blitz off of the second drive where the

2293
01:59:35,240 --> 01:59:38,120
Speaker 1: running back missed the block, And like I was saying,

2294
01:59:38,160 --> 01:59:40,760
Speaker 1: you got to win on the earlier downs otherwise you're

2295
01:59:40,760 --> 01:59:44,200
Speaker 1: going to be facing third and long situations plus penalties.

2296
01:59:44,400 --> 01:59:47,400
Speaker 1: Penalties can be killers. You get a pass interference, you know,

2297
01:59:47,560 --> 01:59:52,120
Speaker 1: you get a situation where you're backing yourself up behind

2298
01:59:52,160 --> 01:59:54,840
Speaker 1: the chains. That's a drive killer too. So too many

2299
01:59:54,880 --> 01:59:57,320
Speaker 1: mistakes for the Bucks offensively to start this game.

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01:59:57,600 --> 01:59:59,880
Speaker 2: All right, the Lions approaching midfield, but they are f

2301
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:04,240
Speaker 2: facing a third and ten right now. We'll see what

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02:00:04,360 --> 02:00:07,040
Speaker 2: happens on this play. Is the Lions again leading ten

2303
02:00:07,080 --> 02:00:09,160
Speaker 2: to three, we're inside seven minutes to go in the

2304
02:00:09,200 --> 02:00:11,840
Speaker 2: first half. I really thought the play in this game

2305
02:00:12,000 --> 02:00:13,960
Speaker 2: was over. Of course, when I think that, it's always

2306
02:00:14,000 --> 02:00:16,400
Speaker 2: the opposite. All right, here we go GoF third and ten,

2307
02:00:16,480 --> 02:00:19,120
Speaker 2: throws over the middle. It's dropped, all right, so that

2308
02:00:19,240 --> 02:00:21,120
Speaker 2: means that they're gonna have to punt the ball. We'll

2309
02:00:21,160 --> 02:00:23,680
Speaker 2: continue on with our coverage of this matchup. Get you

2310
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Speaker 2: ready for the Bills and Chiefs. This is Fox Sports

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Speaker 2: It should be all right. We got three and a

2318
02:00:49,800 --> 02:00:51,880
Speaker 2: half minutes to go in the first half and Tampa

2319
02:00:52,040 --> 02:00:54,760
Speaker 2: is on the move and we're beginning to see a

2320
02:00:54,880 --> 02:00:58,640
Speaker 2: little rhythm right now in the passing game for the Buccaneers.

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Speaker 2: On this drive, rich Over Baker Mayfield now nine to

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Speaker 2: twelve hundred and fourteen yards. He's thrown a pick earlier

2323
02:01:04,520 --> 02:01:08,400
Speaker 2: in the game, but at least early on in this drive,

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02:01:08,480 --> 02:01:12,320
Speaker 2: he seems to be finding some connections, getting some positive yards.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, starting to settle in here. One of the aspects

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Speaker 1: of this game we also haven't spoken about, and I

2327
02:01:17,520 --> 02:01:20,880
Speaker 1: can attest to this because I've played there. Ford Field

2328
02:01:21,040 --> 02:01:25,680
Speaker 1: gets really really loud, like that is something that I

2329
02:01:25,800 --> 02:01:30,040
Speaker 1: don't think anybody discussed coming into this game. Or didn't

2330
02:01:30,320 --> 02:01:33,840
Speaker 1: discuss enough coming into this game. Is how on top

2331
02:01:33,960 --> 02:01:36,520
Speaker 1: of you that fan base feels when they get really

2332
02:01:36,680 --> 02:01:40,160
Speaker 1: roaring inside of that stadium. I mean, it can be deafening.

2333
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Speaker 1: So the communication has to be perfect for the Buccaneers

2334
02:01:45,520 --> 02:01:47,880
Speaker 1: to have any success. There was actually a shot after

2335
02:01:48,560 --> 02:01:51,000
Speaker 1: successfully throwing the football to Mike Evans there on the

2336
02:01:51,080 --> 02:01:54,120
Speaker 1: sideline of Baker Mayfield cupping his hands against his helmet

2337
02:01:54,640 --> 02:01:57,760
Speaker 1: to try to hear what his OC was saying to him,

2338
02:01:57,800 --> 02:02:02,520
Speaker 1: because it's it's really difficult to just communicate at the

2339
02:02:02,640 --> 02:02:05,680
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage, let alone hear what anybody in your

2340
02:02:05,720 --> 02:02:06,760
Speaker 1: helmet is trying to tell you.

2341
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Speaker 2: It's a weird feel to this game. I feel like

2342
02:02:11,320 --> 02:02:15,640
Speaker 2: the Lions have been the better team, but the stats

2343
02:02:15,720 --> 02:02:19,720
Speaker 2: are pretty even. In fact, Tampa actually has a slight

2344
02:02:19,840 --> 02:02:25,160
Speaker 2: advantage in terms of total yards in this game. Third

2345
02:02:25,200 --> 02:02:28,160
Speaker 2: down efficiency right now, lines are four for seven in

2346
02:02:28,320 --> 02:02:31,400
Speaker 2: Tampa two for six. Well, that third and five is

2347
02:02:31,440 --> 02:02:33,800
Speaker 2: an incomplete pass. There you go, and that's up two

2348
02:02:33,880 --> 02:02:34,720
Speaker 2: for six right there.

2349
02:02:34,920 --> 02:02:38,320
Speaker 1: It's third down efficiency for Tampa Bay. And it's the turnover,

2350
02:02:38,840 --> 02:02:41,320
Speaker 1: you know, because that turnover turns into seven points for

2351
02:02:41,400 --> 02:02:44,840
Speaker 1: the Detroit Lions. On their ensuing drive, and so that

2352
02:02:45,120 --> 02:02:49,040
Speaker 1: that's really the key here is Detroit's winning and they're

2353
02:02:49,120 --> 02:02:52,520
Speaker 1: not just winning on third down, they're also winning on

2354
02:02:53,280 --> 02:02:57,440
Speaker 1: early downs. They're having more successful early down production, which

2355
02:02:57,520 --> 02:02:59,960
Speaker 1: is creating third and short situations. One of the third

2356
02:03:00,160 --> 02:03:04,200
Speaker 1: down conversions for the Detroit Lions on their longest drive

2357
02:03:04,840 --> 02:03:09,000
Speaker 1: was a Jared Goff QB sneak. You know, So you

2358
02:03:09,160 --> 02:03:11,600
Speaker 1: set yourself up for a much easier day if you can.

2359
02:03:11,800 --> 02:03:15,400
Speaker 2: Oh, fifty yr field goal at tamp for Tampa bunks

2360
02:03:15,640 --> 02:03:19,200
Speaker 2: right off the upright. So no good for Tampa. So

2361
02:03:19,360 --> 02:03:21,760
Speaker 2: Detroit maintains a ten to three lead two and a

2362
02:03:21,760 --> 02:03:24,760
Speaker 2: half minutes ago in the first half. So the kick

2363
02:03:24,840 --> 02:03:28,600
Speaker 2: here went off the left, up right from fifty yards

2364
02:03:28,720 --> 02:03:29,160
Speaker 2: yanked it.

2365
02:03:29,440 --> 02:03:31,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, just a little bit that it was a low

2366
02:03:32,080 --> 02:03:38,720
Speaker 1: trajectory kick. It had the distance obviously, but McLaughlin, jeez,

2367
02:03:38,840 --> 02:03:40,720
Speaker 1: you know. And those are the moments, man, Like the

2368
02:03:40,840 --> 02:03:45,160
Speaker 1: Carlson missed field goal from yesterday. Huge, huge, This field

2369
02:03:45,200 --> 02:03:50,160
Speaker 1: goal may prove to be a decider. You can't have misses,

2370
02:03:50,320 --> 02:03:51,960
Speaker 1: especially when you have the distance.

2371
02:03:52,320 --> 02:03:54,640
Speaker 2: All right. So, from what we've seen so far in

2372
02:03:54,840 --> 02:03:59,680
Speaker 2: this game, do you think either one of these teams

2373
02:04:00,280 --> 02:04:03,240
Speaker 2: is a serious threat to go into San Francisco or

2374
02:04:03,280 --> 02:04:05,600
Speaker 2: Santa Clair where they play their games next week, and

2375
02:04:05,720 --> 02:04:07,760
Speaker 2: get a road win in the NFC Championship game.

2376
02:04:07,920 --> 02:04:10,960
Speaker 1: Oh, I think both teams provide a threat, especially when

2377
02:04:11,000 --> 02:04:15,040
Speaker 1: you see how uncomfortable brock Purty looked in that game.

2378
02:04:15,360 --> 02:04:18,480
Speaker 1: I don't know what happened, but Brock if it's the

2379
02:04:18,560 --> 02:04:21,720
Speaker 1: wet ball situation where he really struggled earlier in the

2380
02:04:21,760 --> 02:04:25,280
Speaker 1: season in Cleveland during a wet game, and then obviously

2381
02:04:25,400 --> 02:04:29,200
Speaker 1: last night there was driving rain at different points in

2382
02:04:29,320 --> 02:04:34,160
Speaker 1: that game and into the fourth quarter, brock Purty looked terrible.

2383
02:04:34,560 --> 02:04:37,760
Speaker 1: He was He missed some big time throws that he

2384
02:04:37,920 --> 02:04:42,360
Speaker 1: typically makes. He threw two balls that should have been

2385
02:04:42,400 --> 02:04:44,800
Speaker 1: picked off. They were one of them bounced off the

2386
02:04:44,960 --> 02:04:47,200
Speaker 1: chest of Darnold Savage. The other one was in and

2387
02:04:47,240 --> 02:04:50,280
Speaker 1: out of the hands of another defender. It just was

2388
02:04:50,720 --> 02:04:55,680
Speaker 1: an uncharacteristically uncomfortable game from brock Purty. If it weren't

2389
02:04:55,720 --> 02:05:00,440
Speaker 1: for Christian McCaffrey and frankly, you know, George Kittle, they

2390
02:05:00,560 --> 02:05:03,560
Speaker 1: lose that game. They lose that game, and maybe it

2391
02:05:03,640 --> 02:05:06,960
Speaker 1: was because Deebo Samuel got hurt and they had to

2392
02:05:07,120 --> 02:05:11,440
Speaker 1: change the game plan and brock Purdy wasn't as effective

2393
02:05:11,520 --> 02:05:13,839
Speaker 1: this season when Deebo was off the field with injuries

2394
02:05:13,880 --> 02:05:15,840
Speaker 1: and some of the other stars got injured. Maybe that

2395
02:05:15,960 --> 02:05:18,880
Speaker 1: was part of the story here, but Brock Party played

2396
02:05:19,080 --> 02:05:21,840
Speaker 1: easily his worst postseason game since he's taken over.

2397
02:05:21,960 --> 02:05:25,240
Speaker 2: I'm looking over the weather report for Santa Clara, California

2398
02:05:25,360 --> 02:05:31,160
Speaker 2: next week Sunday seventy three. Partly cloudy, no ring. Yes,

2399
02:05:31,760 --> 02:05:35,080
Speaker 2: that bodes well my gut feeling. And with all due

2400
02:05:35,080 --> 02:05:38,720
Speaker 2: respect to the Buccaneers and Lions, I see a big

2401
02:05:38,840 --> 02:05:41,720
Speaker 2: bounce back from the forty nine ers next week. They

2402
02:05:41,800 --> 02:05:46,520
Speaker 2: were lucky. They were very fortunate to win that game

2403
02:05:46,560 --> 02:05:49,280
Speaker 2: against the Packers. They were outplayed by the Packers, Yes

2404
02:05:49,320 --> 02:05:52,880
Speaker 2: they were, you know, and they were very fortunate thanks

2405
02:05:52,920 --> 02:05:55,560
Speaker 2: to Christian McCaffrey, especially to come away with a win.

2406
02:05:55,760 --> 02:05:59,480
Speaker 2: I felt I felt so bad for Jordan Love in

2407
02:05:59,520 --> 02:06:02,000
Speaker 2: that last pass. I mean, the guy, the guy has

2408
02:06:02,080 --> 02:06:05,959
Speaker 2: done so many right things. You still had two timeouts remaining.

2409
02:06:06,200 --> 02:06:07,840
Speaker 2: There was no reason to force it.

2410
02:06:07,920 --> 02:06:08,920
Speaker 1: I mean take this sack.

2411
02:06:09,360 --> 02:06:12,040
Speaker 2: I I mean again, you still had It wasn't like

2412
02:06:12,120 --> 02:06:15,839
Speaker 2: there were no timeouts clocks. You had two timeouts remaining,

2413
02:06:16,000 --> 02:06:18,680
Speaker 2: just first down, you just you run out of the pocket,

2414
02:06:18,760 --> 02:06:21,120
Speaker 2: you throw the ball away, you throw it into the dirt,

2415
02:06:21,440 --> 02:06:23,960
Speaker 2: give yourself another chance to throw that pass. It was

2416
02:06:24,040 --> 02:06:27,720
Speaker 2: just he done everything so right and for the season

2417
02:06:27,800 --> 02:06:29,880
Speaker 2: and that way all right. So Detroit now has the

2418
02:06:29,920 --> 02:06:31,880
Speaker 2: ball back two and a half minutes to go in

2419
02:06:32,000 --> 02:06:34,640
Speaker 2: the first half, with a ten to three lead. It

2420
02:06:34,680 --> 02:06:37,040
Speaker 2: looks like they're going to play rather conservative. But you know,

2421
02:06:37,080 --> 02:06:39,360
Speaker 2: I'm watching these two teams and I'm like, can I

2422
02:06:39,520 --> 02:06:42,840
Speaker 2: envision either one of these teams going to and being

2423
02:06:42,920 --> 02:06:45,600
Speaker 2: the forty nine ers on the road? My feeling is no,

2424
02:06:45,960 --> 02:06:47,080
Speaker 2: I don't see that.

2425
02:06:47,240 --> 02:06:50,120
Speaker 1: See I disagree. And here's the only reason why. Say

2426
02:06:50,240 --> 02:06:53,840
Speaker 1: Deebo's not healthy enough to be to serve the role

2427
02:06:53,920 --> 02:06:57,800
Speaker 1: he normally serves in that offense. George Kittle, I don't

2428
02:06:57,800 --> 02:07:01,160
Speaker 1: think he will have key drops. I don't think brock

2429
02:07:01,240 --> 02:07:04,640
Speaker 1: Pardy will be as as off balance as he was

2430
02:07:04,720 --> 02:07:07,960
Speaker 1: in that game because he'll have a week on the

2431
02:07:08,080 --> 02:07:10,520
Speaker 1: field with actual game time and expink.

2432
02:07:10,560 --> 02:07:13,000
Speaker 2: McCaffrey runs wild on these two defense.

2433
02:07:13,120 --> 02:07:15,040
Speaker 1: Even he got a little banged up in that game.

2434
02:07:15,120 --> 02:07:17,600
Speaker 1: He was nursing something on his leg, you know. So

2435
02:07:17,880 --> 02:07:21,720
Speaker 1: here's here's what I'll say I'm not I if whoever

2436
02:07:21,840 --> 02:07:25,120
Speaker 1: emerges from this divisional round, whether it's Tampa or the Lions,

2437
02:07:25,800 --> 02:07:28,840
Speaker 1: I got the San Francisco forty nine Ers beating either

2438
02:07:28,920 --> 02:07:31,000
Speaker 1: team and making it to the super Bowl. But you

2439
02:07:31,120 --> 02:07:34,560
Speaker 1: asked the question very specifically, do I give them a chance?

2440
02:07:34,640 --> 02:07:37,360
Speaker 1: And the answer is yes, because if you have a

2441
02:07:37,440 --> 02:07:41,000
Speaker 1: situation like the Detroit Lions just did where they steal

2442
02:07:41,040 --> 02:07:43,800
Speaker 1: a possession early in the game. You know, instead of

2443
02:07:43,960 --> 02:07:48,680
Speaker 1: dropping interceptions the Green Bay Packers, you know, defenders catch

2444
02:07:48,800 --> 02:07:51,760
Speaker 1: those interceptions. That's a completely different ballgame against the forty

2445
02:07:51,880 --> 02:07:54,360
Speaker 1: nine or against the Packers. For the forty nine ers, well,

2446
02:07:54,440 --> 02:07:56,800
Speaker 1: same could be said. What happens if Brock Perdy throws

2447
02:07:56,840 --> 02:07:59,960
Speaker 1: an early interception that turns things around in a hurt.

2448
02:08:00,400 --> 02:08:04,800
Speaker 1: So yeah, I give Tampa or Detroit a chance. I

2449
02:08:04,880 --> 02:08:07,080
Speaker 1: got the forty nine ers winning, but I will give

2450
02:08:07,120 --> 02:08:07,840
Speaker 1: them a chance.

2451
02:08:08,880 --> 02:08:11,160
Speaker 2: Quarterback play is so weird in this league. You know,

2452
02:08:11,280 --> 02:08:14,640
Speaker 2: you think about both Jared Goff and Baker Mayfield, both

2453
02:08:14,880 --> 02:08:17,880
Speaker 2: number one overall picks in the draft. Right they're showing,

2454
02:08:18,120 --> 02:08:20,520
Speaker 2: you know, Baker with the Cleveland Browns, Jared Goff of

2455
02:08:20,560 --> 02:08:23,640
Speaker 2: the Rams, and here they are in a short amount

2456
02:08:23,640 --> 02:08:28,760
Speaker 2: of time quarterback in a divisional playoff game with two

2457
02:08:28,800 --> 02:08:32,320
Speaker 2: different teams. Yeah, and this is how it plays. I

2458
02:08:32,440 --> 02:08:34,560
Speaker 2: want to bring bow into the mix right now, Bo,

2459
02:08:34,800 --> 02:08:38,160
Speaker 2: you've been sitting there depressed that your Philadelphia Eagles are

2460
02:08:38,240 --> 02:08:41,840
Speaker 2: not sitting at least in the division round after being

2461
02:08:41,920 --> 02:08:44,480
Speaker 2: in the Super Bowl a year ago. How do you

2462
02:08:44,560 --> 02:08:46,000
Speaker 2: feel about Jalen Hurts right now?

2463
02:08:47,840 --> 02:08:49,960
Speaker 8: Fine? I mean, I think there's a bigger problem with

2464
02:08:50,040 --> 02:08:53,120
Speaker 8: their offensive coordinator than there is Jalen Hurts.

2465
02:08:53,280 --> 02:08:55,800
Speaker 2: So Shane Steichen was a big loss for them.

2466
02:08:56,360 --> 02:08:58,480
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean when you look back at it, Stike

2467
02:08:58,520 --> 02:09:02,000
Speaker 8: in and again and leaving where the nail in the coffin.

2468
02:09:01,840 --> 02:09:02,040
Speaker 1: I know.

2469
02:09:02,240 --> 02:09:05,480
Speaker 2: I mean people forget this sometimes, rich right about the

2470
02:09:05,600 --> 02:09:10,320
Speaker 2: idea of the value of coordinators. You know, with Buffalo, obviously,

2471
02:09:10,440 --> 02:09:13,280
Speaker 2: Brian Dabele was such a big part of the development

2472
02:09:13,320 --> 02:09:16,240
Speaker 2: of Josh Allen, and it just seemed like Josh Allen

2473
02:09:16,320 --> 02:09:18,480
Speaker 2: sort of lost his way a little bit without Dable

2474
02:09:18,520 --> 02:09:21,400
Speaker 2: there same thing in Philadelphia. Stiken did a hell of

2475
02:09:21,480 --> 02:09:25,240
Speaker 2: a job to take Jalen Hurts to a certain level

2476
02:09:25,320 --> 02:09:28,520
Speaker 2: that a lot of people never envision for. Jalen Hurts

2477
02:09:28,560 --> 02:09:31,560
Speaker 2: at the NFL you take him out of the mix,

2478
02:09:31,880 --> 02:09:35,120
Speaker 2: and you know, you know, Josh Allen has bounced back,

2479
02:09:35,160 --> 02:09:38,160
Speaker 2: He's gone through a couple of coordinators. Now he seems

2480
02:09:38,200 --> 02:09:40,880
Speaker 2: to be back on track. You think Jalen Hurts is

2481
02:09:40,880 --> 02:09:44,760
Speaker 2: going to have the same you know, bounce back after realizing, Hey,

2482
02:09:44,840 --> 02:09:45,880
Speaker 2: Stikeen ain't coming back.

2483
02:09:46,360 --> 02:09:51,880
Speaker 1: Well, it sounds like the Sirianni Howie Roseman connection is

2484
02:09:52,040 --> 02:09:57,080
Speaker 1: still alive and well. Reports are that they're working together

2485
02:09:57,360 --> 02:10:00,920
Speaker 1: to potentially find an offensive coordinat out there who can

2486
02:10:01,080 --> 02:10:03,320
Speaker 1: stabilize things with Jalen Hurts. And I think that's a

2487
02:10:03,360 --> 02:10:06,600
Speaker 1: great decision. I think if you look at the problems

2488
02:10:06,840 --> 02:10:10,760
Speaker 1: the Philadelphia Eagles have, I don't think their main problem

2489
02:10:11,040 --> 02:10:13,480
Speaker 1: is their head coach. I think that locker room likes

2490
02:10:13,480 --> 02:10:16,360
Speaker 1: their head coach. I think he's built a strong culture there.

2491
02:10:16,920 --> 02:10:19,160
Speaker 1: I think he puts an abundant amount of trust in

2492
02:10:19,240 --> 02:10:21,200
Speaker 1: his quarterback, and I think you need to if you're

2493
02:10:21,240 --> 02:10:23,000
Speaker 1: going to be a successful head coach in this league.

2494
02:10:23,000 --> 02:10:25,480
Speaker 1: And I think Jalen Hurts is a good quarterback in

2495
02:10:25,520 --> 02:10:28,480
Speaker 1: this league. But they need an offensive play caller who

2496
02:10:28,520 --> 02:10:33,920
Speaker 1: can handle the rigors of preparing a quarterback in an

2497
02:10:33,960 --> 02:10:38,840
Speaker 1: offense week by week with more nuanced approaches. If you

2498
02:10:38,960 --> 02:10:40,880
Speaker 1: looked at some of the numbers on some of the

2499
02:10:41,040 --> 02:10:44,440
Speaker 1: play selection of Nick Sirianni as the head play caller

2500
02:10:44,520 --> 02:10:48,680
Speaker 1: here this year, it was a pretty ordinary offense. They

2501
02:10:48,760 --> 02:10:52,880
Speaker 1: ran a lot of screen passes. They were very predictable.

2502
02:10:53,240 --> 02:10:55,440
Speaker 1: You know, you could start to predict some of their

2503
02:10:55,520 --> 02:10:59,920
Speaker 1: play calls based on their personnel packages or the formations

2504
02:11:00,480 --> 02:11:03,080
Speaker 1: or even the motions would bring you to, you know,

2505
02:11:03,240 --> 02:11:05,280
Speaker 1: the play that was going to be called. There was

2506
02:11:05,360 --> 02:11:09,000
Speaker 1: a ton of RPO stuff, which is effective, but it

2507
02:11:09,120 --> 02:11:11,600
Speaker 1: can't be the way the style you run your offense

2508
02:11:11,720 --> 02:11:16,120
Speaker 1: because you'll become too predictable. So I think I think

2509
02:11:16,240 --> 02:11:19,120
Speaker 1: that's the goal for this offseason is to find a

2510
02:11:19,320 --> 02:11:22,080
Speaker 1: voice in the room who can stabilize the offense, just

2511
02:11:22,200 --> 02:11:25,120
Speaker 1: like the Baltimore Ravens did hiring Todd Munkin and look

2512
02:11:25,160 --> 02:11:27,360
Speaker 1: at the Ravens. The Ravens look like the best team

2513
02:11:27,440 --> 02:11:28,400
Speaker 1: left in the postseason.

2514
02:11:28,520 --> 02:11:30,960
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think I think the issue with Sirianni is

2515
02:11:31,000 --> 02:11:34,080
Speaker 8: going to be if it comes time to fire Brian

2516
02:11:34,200 --> 02:11:37,360
Speaker 8: Johnson and bring in a different name, if he's reluctant

2517
02:11:37,360 --> 02:11:39,280
Speaker 8: to do that because of his relationship with Hurtz and

2518
02:11:39,360 --> 02:11:42,280
Speaker 8: then you might see the Doug Peterson part two there.

2519
02:11:42,400 --> 02:11:43,680
Speaker 8: But yeah, it's weird.

2520
02:11:43,920 --> 02:11:46,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's uh. It'll be interesting to see the Eagles

2521
02:11:46,800 --> 02:11:49,840
Speaker 2: bounce back next season. I wouldn't be surprised if they will.

2522
02:11:49,920 --> 02:11:52,800
Speaker 2: All Right, the Lions are looking at a third down

2523
02:11:53,080 --> 02:11:56,400
Speaker 2: right now. They had to replace the ball after Saint

2524
02:11:56,440 --> 02:11:59,360
Speaker 2: Brown Maddy catch, his elbow came down and GoF gets sacked.

2525
02:11:59,800 --> 02:12:01,360
Speaker 1: So that is that for the.

2526
02:12:01,440 --> 02:12:05,120
Speaker 2: Lions drive to as we can inside two minutes to

2527
02:12:05,120 --> 02:12:07,040
Speaker 2: go in the first half, they will kick the ball.

2528
02:12:07,120 --> 02:12:09,080
Speaker 2: We'll have much more on this matchup, and we got

2529
02:12:09,200 --> 02:12:11,840
Speaker 2: to get a little deeper into what's coming up a

2530
02:12:11,920 --> 02:12:15,080
Speaker 2: little bit later on as Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs

2531
02:12:15,120 --> 02:12:18,240
Speaker 2: take on Josh Allen at the Bills. This is Fox

2532
02:12:18,280 --> 02:12:21,720
Speaker 2: Sports Red Zone Radio, Steve Harban, Rich Hornberger, Fox Sports

2533
02:12:21,840 --> 02:12:26,880
Speaker 2: Red Zone Radio and the Buccaneers. Wow, what a catch

2534
02:12:26,960 --> 02:12:30,760
Speaker 2: by Mike Evans down to the one yard line. So

2535
02:12:30,920 --> 02:12:35,040
Speaker 2: the Tampa Bay Buccaneers got the ball back late in

2536
02:12:35,120 --> 02:12:38,960
Speaker 2: his first half. They started the drive at what their

2537
02:12:39,000 --> 02:12:43,680
Speaker 2: own inside their own five yard line, and they have

2538
02:12:43,800 --> 02:12:46,040
Speaker 2: gone right down the field. Actually, let's see, it started

2539
02:12:46,080 --> 02:12:48,800
Speaker 2: their eight yard line, so they're down they got ninety

2540
02:12:48,840 --> 02:12:53,280
Speaker 2: one yards, but Mike Evans with a remarkable catch, and

2541
02:12:53,560 --> 02:12:55,560
Speaker 2: they are now knocking on the door to try to

2542
02:12:55,640 --> 02:12:58,160
Speaker 2: tie up this game. Seventeen seconds to go in the

2543
02:12:58,200 --> 02:12:58,680
Speaker 2: first half.

2544
02:12:58,720 --> 02:13:02,000
Speaker 1: Here, Rich, I love how every time. I mean, this

2545
02:13:02,240 --> 02:13:04,800
Speaker 1: is like clockwork. If you've listened to this show or

2546
02:13:04,840 --> 02:13:07,240
Speaker 1: any of the shows I've done with Steve over the years,

2547
02:13:08,120 --> 02:13:12,760
Speaker 1: anytime Hartman starts talking about a player like Mike Evans

2548
02:13:12,880 --> 02:13:14,960
Speaker 1: is a stack compiler, he's not a Hall of Famer.

2549
02:13:15,080 --> 02:13:17,080
Speaker 1: That is literally Hartman from about.

2550
02:13:16,840 --> 02:13:19,080
Speaker 2: An hour and a half ago, How Big Night, Peel

2551
02:13:19,160 --> 02:13:23,480
Speaker 2: layers to play better. I feel like they're listening to

2552
02:13:23,600 --> 02:13:25,840
Speaker 2: me at all times. And Mike Evans like, are you

2553
02:13:26,200 --> 02:13:29,080
Speaker 2: are you seriously calling me out as some like run

2554
02:13:29,200 --> 02:13:30,280
Speaker 2: of the mill wide receiver.

2555
02:13:30,800 --> 02:13:34,400
Speaker 1: He's just tearing the lions apark right all right?

2556
02:13:34,480 --> 02:13:34,960
Speaker 3: So here we go.

2557
02:13:35,080 --> 02:13:37,760
Speaker 2: We got nineteen They have reset the clock right now,

2558
02:13:37,840 --> 02:13:39,680
Speaker 2: the ball is going to be at the I believe

2559
02:13:39,880 --> 02:13:43,400
Speaker 2: two yard line is where they're placing it. And again

2560
02:13:43,560 --> 02:13:47,720
Speaker 2: they still have one time out remaining Tampa, So one

2561
02:13:47,800 --> 02:13:51,280
Speaker 2: time out remaining nineteen seconds and Detroit leading this game

2562
02:13:51,360 --> 02:13:53,080
Speaker 2: by a score at ten to three. This is a

2563
02:13:53,320 --> 02:13:55,560
Speaker 2: remarkable drive. When you think about it, there was a

2564
02:13:55,640 --> 02:13:59,360
Speaker 2: nice scramble play by Baker Mayfit was almost like a

2565
02:14:00,040 --> 02:14:03,080
Speaker 2: shouldn't play, you know, like you fake the dive, quarterback

2566
02:14:03,200 --> 02:14:06,480
Speaker 2: keeps the ball, runs for a first down. But they

2567
02:14:06,520 --> 02:14:09,720
Speaker 2: had three timeouts to work with. So two yard line

2568
02:14:09,800 --> 02:14:13,320
Speaker 2: right now, first and goal for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers,

2569
02:14:13,480 --> 02:14:15,520
Speaker 2: and let's see what they do. Mayfield throws the ball

2570
02:14:15,520 --> 02:14:17,880
Speaker 2: in first down, wide open, touchdown. But they're going to call,

2571
02:14:17,960 --> 02:14:22,680
Speaker 2: I believe, offensive interference. It's going to be offensive pass interference.

2572
02:14:22,680 --> 02:14:24,520
Speaker 2: There's going to be a push off on Tampa. What

2573
02:14:24,600 --> 02:14:27,800
Speaker 2: are they calling right now? They threw that flag almost

2574
02:14:27,880 --> 02:14:33,120
Speaker 2: immediately and it look like Tampa might have tried to

2575
02:14:33,160 --> 02:14:35,920
Speaker 2: get away with a push off. Yeah, now they're arguing

2576
02:14:35,960 --> 02:14:36,240
Speaker 2: back and.

2577
02:14:36,280 --> 02:14:38,800
Speaker 1: For fourteen Godwin it was number fourth. If they called

2578
02:14:38,840 --> 02:14:41,080
Speaker 1: on anybody, it's going to be against Godwin for the

2579
02:14:41,240 --> 02:14:44,960
Speaker 1: pick because the only reason why the tight end was

2580
02:14:45,000 --> 02:14:45,520
Speaker 1: so open.

2581
02:14:45,640 --> 02:14:48,960
Speaker 2: No penalty on the play, touchdown, Tampa Bay. So they

2582
02:14:49,040 --> 02:14:53,880
Speaker 2: discussed it. They have decided no penalty on the play. No,

2583
02:14:54,000 --> 02:14:56,640
Speaker 2: it was definitely no push off on the receiver wide open.

2584
02:14:56,800 --> 02:14:59,640
Speaker 1: Look at Godwin. It's not what the receiver did, it's

2585
02:14:59,720 --> 02:15:05,560
Speaker 1: what number fourteen. The outside receiver coming in picked the

2586
02:15:06,240 --> 02:15:09,560
Speaker 1: defender to get that route open. So if you watch

2587
02:15:09,680 --> 02:15:13,240
Speaker 1: Aunton here, he's releasing to run the corner route. And

2588
02:15:13,280 --> 02:15:18,800
Speaker 1: they were trying to decide if Godwin was causing interference

2589
02:15:18,920 --> 02:15:20,960
Speaker 1: on the inside. But I didn't see it. There wasn't

2590
02:15:21,040 --> 02:15:24,400
Speaker 1: there wasn't contact. He just sat down and he drew

2591
02:15:24,520 --> 02:15:25,560
Speaker 1: a defender with him.

2592
02:15:25,720 --> 02:15:28,640
Speaker 2: Well, and that's what they have ruled. So the touchdown stands.

2593
02:15:28,880 --> 02:15:32,160
Speaker 2: They get the extra point fifteen seconds to go in

2594
02:15:32,280 --> 02:15:36,080
Speaker 2: the half, and we have a tie game between the

2595
02:15:36,240 --> 02:15:41,080
Speaker 2: Lions and the Buccanneers. Let's get into the locker room

2596
02:15:41,120 --> 02:15:43,880
Speaker 2: of these two teams. Yeah, yeah, all right, So you're

2597
02:15:43,960 --> 02:15:47,120
Speaker 2: Dan Campbell. You walk into the locker room and it's

2598
02:15:47,200 --> 02:15:50,440
Speaker 2: ten ten. Even though you feel like for the most

2599
02:15:50,560 --> 02:15:54,520
Speaker 2: part you've been the better team on the field, you

2600
02:15:54,720 --> 02:15:57,320
Speaker 2: just gave up a ninety two yard touchdown drive with less,

2601
02:15:57,440 --> 02:15:59,280
Speaker 2: you know, two minutes to go in the half. What

2602
02:15:59,440 --> 02:16:01,480
Speaker 2: is Dan camp We'll tell his team, Well.

2603
02:16:01,440 --> 02:16:04,760
Speaker 1: Well, ay, he's got to check on his center Frank

2604
02:16:04,880 --> 02:16:08,880
Speaker 1: ragnow because on the last drive, number seventy seven went

2605
02:16:09,000 --> 02:16:12,640
Speaker 1: down clutching his left knee, and if he's out for

2606
02:16:12,760 --> 02:16:15,280
Speaker 1: the second half. That means him, and I believe it

2607
02:16:15,400 --> 02:16:17,840
Speaker 1: was Jonah Jackson, the starting left guard, who his question.

2608
02:16:17,960 --> 02:16:21,840
Speaker 1: We're going into this one both are out and that's

2609
02:16:21,880 --> 02:16:23,720
Speaker 1: a huge problem. So he's got to talk to his

2610
02:16:23,840 --> 02:16:26,200
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator, he's got to talk to his old line coach,

2611
02:16:26,280 --> 02:16:28,360
Speaker 1: make sure that they've got things short up up front,

2612
02:16:28,960 --> 02:16:32,680
Speaker 1: and then you got to start talking about capitalizing on opportunities.

2613
02:16:32,760 --> 02:16:36,279
Speaker 1: I mean, outside of the sudden change moment, the interception

2614
02:16:36,480 --> 02:16:39,240
Speaker 1: that turned into seven points, the Detroit Lions stalled out

2615
02:16:39,280 --> 02:16:41,920
Speaker 1: on offense a couple of times. He got to make

2616
02:16:42,000 --> 02:16:43,360
Speaker 1: the most of it when you have the ball in

2617
02:16:43,440 --> 02:16:44,080
Speaker 1: your hands.

2618
02:16:44,200 --> 02:16:47,640
Speaker 2: All right, So and let's turn to Chris. I don't know,

2619
02:16:47,760 --> 02:16:50,040
Speaker 2: he might be completely out of commission now after that

2620
02:16:51,240 --> 02:16:53,760
Speaker 2: ninety two yard drive to tie up this game by

2621
02:16:53,800 --> 02:16:56,080
Speaker 2: this Tampa Bay team. What are your thoughts on what

2622
02:16:56,200 --> 02:16:57,959
Speaker 2: you've seen in the first half. What are your thoughts

2623
02:16:57,959 --> 02:16:59,920
Speaker 2: about what's coming up in the second half? Mister Lyon,

2624
02:17:00,200 --> 02:17:02,680
Speaker 2: I echo what Rich is talking about.

2625
02:17:02,720 --> 02:17:05,400
Speaker 6: If they don't have Frank ragnow they're already down Jonah Jackson,

2626
02:17:05,440 --> 02:17:07,680
Speaker 6: they're starting guard as well. They have some flexibility a

2627
02:17:07,760 --> 02:17:10,039
Speaker 6: little bit at guard, but it would be a huge

2628
02:17:10,120 --> 02:17:13,000
Speaker 6: loss without Frank ragnow, because he's the reason they are

2629
02:17:13,080 --> 02:17:16,040
Speaker 6: able to pick up the Tampa blitz and especially to

2630
02:17:16,080 --> 02:17:18,200
Speaker 6: pick up Tampa up the center here. So we'll see

2631
02:17:18,240 --> 02:17:20,880
Speaker 6: what happens in the second half. I kind of expect

2632
02:17:20,879 --> 02:17:23,560
Speaker 6: the adjustments to be made. It was not like they

2633
02:17:23,600 --> 02:17:25,520
Speaker 6: were playing good defense in the first half right up

2634
02:17:25,600 --> 02:17:29,320
Speaker 6: until Tampa had to really go in rhythm and started

2635
02:17:30,280 --> 02:17:32,280
Speaker 6: challenging Cam Sutton quite a bit.

2636
02:17:32,480 --> 02:17:35,080
Speaker 2: And that's the result, all right, So they take a knee.

2637
02:17:35,120 --> 02:17:39,000
Speaker 2: It is officially halftime ten ten Lions and the Buccaneers.

2638
02:17:39,080 --> 02:17:42,280
Speaker 2: So when I made my comment about Mike Evans he

2639
02:17:42,360 --> 02:17:45,320
Speaker 2: had one catch for eighteen yards. He goes into the

2640
02:17:45,360 --> 02:17:48,320
Speaker 2: half with four catches in ninety seven yards. So there

2641
02:17:48,360 --> 02:17:50,760
Speaker 2: you go, right there. So he turned things around, all right.

2642
02:17:50,800 --> 02:17:53,160
Speaker 2: Gives us this opportunity rich to switch gears and get

2643
02:17:53,200 --> 02:17:55,800
Speaker 2: ready for the matchup we've been waiting for, which is

2644
02:17:55,920 --> 02:17:59,280
Speaker 2: later on after this game, the Kansas City Chiefs and

2645
02:17:59,680 --> 02:18:04,960
Speaker 2: Patrick mahomes first ever road playoff game, and it's going

2646
02:18:05,040 --> 02:18:07,480
Speaker 2: to be against the Buffalo Bills. A Bills team that

2647
02:18:07,560 --> 02:18:10,600
Speaker 2: has rattled off six straight wins. When we talk about

2648
02:18:10,720 --> 02:18:13,080
Speaker 2: they've won one playoff game in essence, they won six

2649
02:18:13,120 --> 02:18:14,160
Speaker 2: straight playoff games.

2650
02:18:14,440 --> 02:18:14,600
Speaker 1: Yep.

2651
02:18:14,680 --> 02:18:18,200
Speaker 2: Because remember they were sitting at six and six going

2652
02:18:18,280 --> 02:18:20,800
Speaker 2: into Kansas City. I mean that would have been in it.

2653
02:18:20,959 --> 02:18:23,920
Speaker 2: They lose that game, forget it. Their season is over.

2654
02:18:24,440 --> 02:18:26,240
Speaker 2: They get the win on the road against the Chiefs,

2655
02:18:26,320 --> 02:18:29,560
Speaker 2: came home, blew out. The Cowboys got obviously the huge

2656
02:18:29,840 --> 02:18:32,720
Speaker 2: road playoff win against the Dolphins to win the AFC East.

2657
02:18:33,440 --> 02:18:35,640
Speaker 2: You know, it wasn't easy against the Steelers. I give

2658
02:18:35,680 --> 02:18:38,240
Speaker 2: again the Steelers a lot of credit. They were under manned,

2659
02:18:38,280 --> 02:18:41,959
Speaker 2: they hung in there, they didn't wilt, they played hard,

2660
02:18:42,080 --> 02:18:44,600
Speaker 2: but the Bills came away with the big victory. And

2661
02:18:44,680 --> 02:18:46,959
Speaker 2: now the Bills get the home game against the Chiefs. Now,

2662
02:18:47,040 --> 02:18:50,039
Speaker 2: remember head to head it's three to three with Josh

2663
02:18:50,120 --> 02:18:54,039
Speaker 2: Allen and Patrick Mahomes. Regular season Allen's three and one

2664
02:18:54,120 --> 02:18:57,040
Speaker 2: against Mahomes and the postseason though zero to two, both

2665
02:18:57,080 --> 02:19:00,640
Speaker 2: those wins in Kansas City for the Chiefs, and of

2666
02:19:00,680 --> 02:19:04,119
Speaker 2: course two years ago, and I've been watching NFL football

2667
02:19:04,200 --> 02:19:07,320
Speaker 2: for a long time, one of the greatest playoff games ever,

2668
02:19:07,480 --> 02:19:10,520
Speaker 2: one of the greatest quarterback shootouts ever. Dare say the

2669
02:19:10,600 --> 02:19:15,320
Speaker 2: best I ever seen. That late surge between Mahomes and

2670
02:19:15,400 --> 02:19:18,480
Speaker 2: Allen back and forth. Remember how Bill scored with what

2671
02:19:18,760 --> 02:19:21,720
Speaker 2: thirteen seconds left to take the three point lead, and

2672
02:19:21,840 --> 02:19:25,200
Speaker 2: somehow Mahomes got in position to tie the game, and

2673
02:19:25,240 --> 02:19:27,520
Speaker 2: then of course they win the coin toss, Chiefs get

2674
02:19:27,520 --> 02:19:30,120
Speaker 2: the ball, score a touchdown, game over. They changed the

2675
02:19:30,240 --> 02:19:33,240
Speaker 2: rules of the game because of that game to give

2676
02:19:33,640 --> 02:19:36,640
Speaker 2: in the postseason both teams an opportunity to have the

2677
02:19:36,680 --> 02:19:40,480
Speaker 2: ball in the overtime period. But let's just start with

2678
02:19:40,560 --> 02:19:43,000
Speaker 2: the basics. What are you expecting to see. It's going

2679
02:19:43,040 --> 02:19:45,040
Speaker 2: to be very cold in Buffalo, but these are two

2680
02:19:45,160 --> 02:19:48,560
Speaker 2: cold weather teams. What do you expect to see in

2681
02:19:48,640 --> 02:19:51,280
Speaker 2: this matchup later on between the Chiefs and the Bills.

2682
02:19:51,760 --> 02:19:54,480
Speaker 1: There's a lot of people who like the under on

2683
02:19:54,680 --> 02:19:56,960
Speaker 1: this game. I think this is going to be a

2684
02:19:57,160 --> 02:20:01,119
Speaker 1: score fest. I feel like, very similar to the way

2685
02:20:01,160 --> 02:20:04,080
Speaker 1: you just described their last meeting in the postseason going,

2686
02:20:04,760 --> 02:20:07,720
Speaker 1: I think that these offenses have woken up to a

2687
02:20:07,800 --> 02:20:12,080
Speaker 1: greater extent down the stretch. It's taken all season long

2688
02:20:12,160 --> 02:20:14,600
Speaker 1: for the Chiefs to put it together. The Bills really

2689
02:20:14,680 --> 02:20:17,480
Speaker 1: created a lot of momentum through the end of the

2690
02:20:17,560 --> 02:20:21,040
Speaker 1: regular season, and I've been impressed with Josh Allen. I

2691
02:20:21,440 --> 02:20:24,600
Speaker 1: think he still needs to get his the turnovers under control,

2692
02:20:24,680 --> 02:20:28,160
Speaker 1: but the way he goes out and competes, that guy

2693
02:20:28,560 --> 02:20:31,760
Speaker 1: is intangibly different than most of the other quarterbacks in

2694
02:20:31,800 --> 02:20:34,120
Speaker 1: the league. You put him on a pedestal of his

2695
02:20:34,240 --> 02:20:37,360
Speaker 1: own because of his physicality that he's able to play with.

2696
02:20:37,800 --> 02:20:39,880
Speaker 1: So I'm expecting to see a lot of like these,

2697
02:20:40,360 --> 02:20:42,959
Speaker 1: you know, player prop overs hitting. You know, if we're

2698
02:20:43,000 --> 02:20:45,880
Speaker 1: going to talk about betting lines, like the total, I

2699
02:20:45,920 --> 02:20:48,080
Speaker 1: don't know where it's at. Yesterday was at forty five

2700
02:20:48,120 --> 02:20:50,440
Speaker 1: and a half. I like the over there. I think

2701
02:20:50,520 --> 02:20:52,760
Speaker 1: this is just going to be kind of one of

2702
02:20:52,800 --> 02:20:56,119
Speaker 1: those shootouts and whoever has the ball last wins.

2703
02:20:57,000 --> 02:21:00,320
Speaker 2: This is actually the second time the Patrick mall Holmes

2704
02:21:00,400 --> 02:21:04,080
Speaker 2: has played a playoff game on the other team's home field. That,

2705
02:21:04,240 --> 02:21:07,000
Speaker 2: of course, was the Super Bowl against Tampa and as

2706
02:21:07,040 --> 02:21:11,120
Speaker 2: we remember, that was an absolute Buccaneer's blowout. Do I

2707
02:21:11,480 --> 02:21:15,360
Speaker 2: believe it's a big deal. Not necessarily. I think this

2708
02:21:15,560 --> 02:21:18,440
Speaker 2: game comes down to, as you say, Josh Allen, Yep,

2709
02:21:19,200 --> 02:21:21,760
Speaker 2: Josh Allen will determine the outcome of this game. I

2710
02:21:21,920 --> 02:21:24,959
Speaker 2: expect Mahomes to be Mahomes. If it's a close game,

2711
02:21:25,040 --> 02:21:27,760
Speaker 2: He's going to make big plays with his arm and legs.

2712
02:21:27,800 --> 02:21:30,480
Speaker 2: We've seen that time and again, but it's going to

2713
02:21:30,520 --> 02:21:33,039
Speaker 2: be Josh Allen now. In that matchup two years ago,

2714
02:21:33,200 --> 02:21:36,040
Speaker 2: he didn't flinch. The only reason he lost that game

2715
02:21:36,160 --> 02:21:39,000
Speaker 2: is the rule at the time that you score a

2716
02:21:39,080 --> 02:21:41,560
Speaker 2: touchdown on the opening drive of the overtime, it's over.

2717
02:21:42,280 --> 02:21:44,480
Speaker 2: Because there was no reason to believe if Buffalo got

2718
02:21:44,480 --> 02:21:46,160
Speaker 2: the ball back in that game, they wouldn't have matched

2719
02:21:46,200 --> 02:21:50,200
Speaker 2: that touchdown. So if he holds up, if he plays

2720
02:21:50,240 --> 02:21:53,880
Speaker 2: his game again, a guy that's throw eighteen interceptions this

2721
02:21:54,000 --> 02:21:56,440
Speaker 2: year can't happen against the Chiefs. You do that against

2722
02:21:56,480 --> 02:21:58,720
Speaker 2: the Kansas City Chiefs, you're going to lose that game.

2723
02:21:58,760 --> 02:22:01,080
Speaker 2: But if he holds it together and plays like he

2724
02:22:01,240 --> 02:22:05,119
Speaker 2: has in the six game Bills winning streak, the Buffalo

2725
02:22:05,200 --> 02:22:07,880
Speaker 2: Bills will advance to the AFC Championship game. Let's find

2726
02:22:07,920 --> 02:22:11,360
Speaker 2: out what's trending right now. Let's see if this guy

2727
02:22:11,480 --> 02:22:14,520
Speaker 2: has a feel for that game coming up. Brian Finley,

2728
02:22:14,600 --> 02:22:18,120
Speaker 2: befend you got a feel for this Chiefs Bills matchup

2729
02:22:18,160 --> 02:22:18,600
Speaker 2: coming up.

2730
02:22:19,280 --> 02:22:21,640
Speaker 5: You know, since I'm an NFL fan free agent, I'm

2731
02:22:21,680 --> 02:22:23,720
Speaker 5: gonna go with the Bills. They've gone through so much

2732
02:22:23,800 --> 02:22:27,800
Speaker 5: heartache over the years. They deserve something, and as loams that.

2733
02:22:27,879 --> 02:22:30,840
Speaker 2: Deserve things don't always win. Well, that's true because you know,

2734
02:22:31,000 --> 02:22:34,000
Speaker 2: being a lifelong sports for Bills. But do you believe

2735
02:22:34,040 --> 02:22:38,240
Speaker 2: the Bills are gonna win? I don't you? Don't you

2736
02:22:38,400 --> 02:22:40,400
Speaker 2: like the chief I got the Chiefs too. Yeah, how

2737
02:22:40,480 --> 02:22:43,680
Speaker 2: can you guys not go with well, everything the Chiefs

2738
02:22:43,720 --> 02:22:44,039
Speaker 2: are doing.

2739
02:22:44,280 --> 02:22:47,080
Speaker 1: Let me make everybody feel better if they like the

2740
02:22:47,200 --> 02:22:50,720
Speaker 1: Chiefs in this game. Okay, this is the first time

2741
02:22:51,000 --> 02:22:54,960
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure in his entire postseason career where Patrick

2742
02:22:55,040 --> 02:22:59,360
Speaker 1: Mahomes is getting points. I'm pretty sure. Maybe his rookie year.

2743
02:22:59,680 --> 02:23:03,280
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm mistaken, but he's like it was plus two

2744
02:23:03,320 --> 02:23:04,640
Speaker 1: and a half yesterday.

2745
02:23:04,800 --> 02:23:07,680
Speaker 2: Were the Chiefs favorite in his first AFC Championship game

2746
02:23:07,760 --> 02:23:09,120
Speaker 2: at home against New England?

2747
02:23:09,280 --> 02:23:10,120
Speaker 1: I can't remember.

2748
02:23:10,240 --> 02:23:12,520
Speaker 2: I got I gotta believe the Pats may have been.

2749
02:23:12,600 --> 02:23:14,760
Speaker 1: I think they might have been like one point or

2750
02:23:14,800 --> 02:23:17,160
Speaker 1: one a half point favorite. But but outside of that,

2751
02:23:17,400 --> 02:23:19,480
Speaker 1: like I said, his rookie year, I think this is

2752
02:23:19,520 --> 02:23:23,480
Speaker 1: the first time if you're you're getting Patrick Mahomes and

2753
02:23:23,600 --> 02:23:27,640
Speaker 1: you're getting points. I agree with Fenley here. I like

2754
02:23:27,720 --> 02:23:28,199
Speaker 1: the Chiefs.

2755
02:23:29,120 --> 02:23:32,360
Speaker 5: I wish I was wrong, and maybe you as well, Rich,

2756
02:23:32,480 --> 02:23:34,760
Speaker 5: But yeah, if we're gonna be honest with ourselves, it's

2757
02:23:34,879 --> 02:23:36,960
Speaker 5: it's going to be a Chiefs win. What we don't

2758
02:23:37,040 --> 02:23:40,120
Speaker 5: know is that, and what excuse me, what we do

2759
02:23:40,320 --> 02:23:42,880
Speaker 5: know is that the Buccaneers going into the half are

2760
02:23:42,959 --> 02:23:44,400
Speaker 5: not going to be trailing in the game that is

2761
02:23:44,480 --> 02:23:47,720
Speaker 5: going on right now. The NFC Divisional Round matchup. Lions

2762
02:23:47,840 --> 02:23:51,040
Speaker 5: and Bucks are all square at ten at intermission. With

2763
02:23:51,160 --> 02:23:54,119
Speaker 5: fifteen seconds to go in the second quarter, Baker Mayfield

2764
02:23:54,160 --> 02:23:56,600
Speaker 5: throws a two yard touchdown to Kate Auten and so

2765
02:23:56,720 --> 02:23:59,600
Speaker 5: that evens things up at ten apiece. Mayfield's numbers so

2766
02:23:59,680 --> 02:24:01,879
Speaker 5: farteen of eighteen, one hundred and eighty one yards passing

2767
02:24:02,160 --> 02:24:04,320
Speaker 5: that one touchdown. He was picked in the first quarter

2768
02:24:04,720 --> 02:24:05,280
Speaker 5: by CJ.

2769
02:24:05,440 --> 02:24:05,720
Speaker 2: Gardner.

2770
02:24:05,800 --> 02:24:09,680
Speaker 5: Johnson sacked twice Jared Guff ninety nine yards on the dot,

2771
02:24:10,160 --> 02:24:14,040
Speaker 5: his passing yardage one touchdown and that one was to

2772
02:24:14,160 --> 02:24:16,000
Speaker 5: Josh Reynolds from nine yards out.

2773
02:24:16,040 --> 02:24:19,360
Speaker 2: Also the one sack. So they have hit halftime and

2774
02:24:19,520 --> 02:24:20,000
Speaker 2: the winner of.

2775
02:24:20,000 --> 02:24:25,119
Speaker 5: Course going to the NFC Championship game as mentioned coming

2776
02:24:25,200 --> 02:24:28,320
Speaker 5: up at six thirty Eastern time. It's the Chiefs and

2777
02:24:28,440 --> 02:24:32,200
Speaker 5: they will be visiting the Buffalo Bills, and some injury

2778
02:24:32,280 --> 02:24:34,920
Speaker 5: news related to that upcoming matchup. We do know that

2779
02:24:35,000 --> 02:24:38,160
Speaker 5: Bill's cornerback Rosseuell Douglas, dealing with a knee injury, is

2780
02:24:38,280 --> 02:24:40,760
Speaker 5: most likely going to play in this game, as is

2781
02:24:40,920 --> 02:24:45,000
Speaker 5: Buffalo dB Terren Johnson now that he is cleared from

2782
02:24:45,120 --> 02:24:49,800
Speaker 5: concussion protocol. We do have some NBA action happening right now,

2783
02:24:49,920 --> 02:24:54,200
Speaker 5: including one game in Los Angeles where the Clippers are

2784
02:24:54,280 --> 02:24:56,480
Speaker 5: going toe to toe with the Nets and the Nets

2785
02:24:56,520 --> 02:25:00,200
Speaker 5: at seventeen and twenty four are disgracing the clip verse

2786
02:25:00,240 --> 02:25:02,680
Speaker 5: fifty five to forty three, two fifty three to go,

2787
02:25:03,200 --> 02:25:08,320
Speaker 5: second quarter. Terrence Man has nine points. From college basketball

2788
02:25:08,760 --> 02:25:11,520
Speaker 5: is where we go next, and we just saw number

2789
02:25:11,600 --> 02:25:15,520
Speaker 5: ten Memphis go down against Tulane eighty one to seventy nine.

2790
02:25:16,080 --> 02:25:21,199
Speaker 5: It's Twulane's first win in two decades against an AP

2791
02:25:21,400 --> 02:25:24,440
Speaker 5: top twenty five team, So a big win there, not

2792
02:25:24,640 --> 02:25:27,920
Speaker 5: so good for Penny Hardaway. And then, as we mentioned, guys,

2793
02:25:28,080 --> 02:25:31,720
Speaker 5: the news around Caitlyn Clark, the star women's basketball player

2794
02:25:31,800 --> 02:25:35,200
Speaker 5: for Iowa. She had forty five points in an overtime

2795
02:25:35,320 --> 02:25:38,400
Speaker 5: loss her number two Hawkeys going down to Ohio State

2796
02:25:38,480 --> 02:25:42,920
Speaker 5: at Ohio State to add insult to metaphoric injury. Not

2797
02:25:43,080 --> 02:25:45,800
Speaker 5: only does her team lose, but as the team is

2798
02:25:45,879 --> 02:25:49,160
Speaker 5: celebrating Ohio State that is on their court, the fans

2799
02:25:49,200 --> 02:25:51,920
Speaker 5: are rushing in and one of the fans knocks over

2800
02:25:52,480 --> 02:25:55,680
Speaker 5: Kitlyn Clark as she was trying to rush back up

2801
02:25:55,760 --> 02:25:57,800
Speaker 5: the tunnel into her own locker room. And so it

2802
02:25:57,920 --> 02:26:02,400
Speaker 5: brings up the question about the placement of fans and

2803
02:26:02,560 --> 02:26:05,119
Speaker 5: what they're able to do as far as getting close

2804
02:26:05,200 --> 02:26:07,879
Speaker 5: to games and their accessibility. But with that, let's get

2805
02:26:07,920 --> 02:26:11,080
Speaker 5: it back to Rich Ornberger and Steve Hartman.

2806
02:26:12,600 --> 02:26:15,000
Speaker 2: Security is a height. It's similar to the fact that

2807
02:26:15,120 --> 02:26:17,040
Speaker 2: you have an open door behind you. Are you sure

2808
02:26:17,040 --> 02:26:19,480
Speaker 2: you want that? Do we need an armed guard here

2809
02:26:19,640 --> 02:26:22,640
Speaker 2: to make sure that you have proper security? How much

2810
02:26:22,680 --> 02:26:23,880
Speaker 2: do I have to pay you for you to wear

2811
02:26:23,920 --> 02:26:29,680
Speaker 2: a security uniform? That will never happen? You wouldn't want

2812
02:26:29,720 --> 02:26:32,600
Speaker 2: me as a security guy, I promise you that. All right,

2813
02:26:32,640 --> 02:26:35,200
Speaker 2: Well be Fenn, Thank you very much, great job today.

2814
02:26:35,600 --> 02:26:37,920
Speaker 2: All right, Rich, I have a food thing for you.

2815
02:26:38,280 --> 02:26:40,160
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, all right.

2816
02:26:40,280 --> 02:26:43,440
Speaker 2: So we do not know officially if Taylor Swift is

2817
02:26:43,520 --> 02:26:45,880
Speaker 2: going to be in Buffalo for this game. Between the

2818
02:26:46,000 --> 02:26:49,440
Speaker 2: Chiefs and the Bills. However, this is an amazing story.

2819
02:26:50,360 --> 02:26:55,920
Speaker 2: The Buffalo Bills Stadium Caterer Interesting has custom design a

2820
02:26:56,000 --> 02:27:01,160
Speaker 2: couple of appetizers named after two of her sawns one

2821
02:27:01,320 --> 02:27:05,520
Speaker 2: song Karma, which is off twenty twenty two track. They

2822
02:27:05,600 --> 02:27:08,760
Speaker 2: have created the Karma casadea. Are you right for this?

2823
02:27:09,200 --> 02:27:09,400
Speaker 1: Yeah?

2824
02:27:09,680 --> 02:27:15,480
Speaker 2: It's a three layer casadea filled with chicken tenders, bacon

2825
02:27:16,080 --> 02:27:20,039
Speaker 2: and cilantro ranch and top with pork belly.

2826
02:27:21,760 --> 02:27:22,000
Speaker 1: God.

2827
02:27:22,200 --> 02:27:25,680
Speaker 2: So it's a three layer casadea with chicken tenders, bacon,

2828
02:27:25,840 --> 02:27:29,199
Speaker 2: cilantra ranch and top with pork belly. That's named after

2829
02:27:29,280 --> 02:27:33,039
Speaker 2: her track Karma and then her twenty fourteen hit Bad Blood.

2830
02:27:33,160 --> 02:27:36,160
Speaker 2: You ready to do this one? They have created this

2831
02:27:36,320 --> 02:27:40,680
Speaker 2: again is the Buffalo Bills Stadium Caterer has created an

2832
02:27:40,680 --> 02:27:44,840
Speaker 2: appnotizer called the bad Blood Waffle Fries. Listen to this one,

2833
02:27:45,800 --> 02:27:50,680
Speaker 2: spiced waffle fries two feet high. Half of it pile

2834
02:27:50,800 --> 02:27:55,680
Speaker 2: with Kansas City Cattleman's barbecued pork, coal slaw, and bread

2835
02:27:55,680 --> 02:27:59,680
Speaker 2: and butter pickles, and the other half with buffalo chicken

2836
02:27:59,800 --> 02:28:05,320
Speaker 2: and blue cheese. All right, so do you think you

2837
02:28:05,800 --> 02:28:09,600
Speaker 2: as an officionado of some of these over the Top

2838
02:28:10,520 --> 02:28:15,879
Speaker 2: Eats could handle either the Karma Casadella or the Bad

2839
02:28:15,959 --> 02:28:18,440
Speaker 2: Blood waffle fries. Which one would you order?

2840
02:28:19,520 --> 02:28:20,840
Speaker 1: Probably the casadea.

2841
02:28:21,680 --> 02:28:25,000
Speaker 2: So this is the three layered casadia filled with chicken tenders,

2842
02:28:25,040 --> 02:28:28,560
Speaker 2: bacon and silanta ratch and top with pork belly.

2843
02:28:28,760 --> 02:28:31,240
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, the pork belly. That really sold it for me.

2844
02:28:32,000 --> 02:28:36,240
Speaker 1: Uh yeah. But I'm not turning down either. And congrats

2845
02:28:36,360 --> 02:28:41,800
Speaker 1: to the folks in Buffalo who nobody does the pregame

2846
02:28:41,920 --> 02:28:45,720
Speaker 1: experience better than the city of Buffalo. I'm seeing just

2847
02:28:45,920 --> 02:28:50,560
Speaker 1: tweets and Instagram posts and tiktoks of you know, mounds

2848
02:28:50,640 --> 02:28:53,879
Speaker 1: of Buffalo Chicken wings, and I'm seeing people get thrown

2849
02:28:54,040 --> 02:28:59,000
Speaker 1: through folding tables and I'm you know, copious amounts of drinking.

2850
02:28:59,640 --> 02:29:03,240
Speaker 1: It's I mean, it just looks like football. It looks

2851
02:29:03,360 --> 02:29:06,800
Speaker 1: like a tailgate environment that is like cut out of

2852
02:29:06,959 --> 02:29:10,440
Speaker 1: like a movie. It doesn't make sense that this is

2853
02:29:10,520 --> 02:29:14,000
Speaker 1: real life. But somewhere in Buffalo right now pregame, as

2854
02:29:14,120 --> 02:29:17,240
Speaker 1: per their pregame tradition since they went on a win streak,

2855
02:29:17,840 --> 02:29:21,160
Speaker 1: somebody is jumping into the pit where the new stadium

2856
02:29:21,240 --> 02:29:24,279
Speaker 1: will be built, and you know, the one that's adjacent

2857
02:29:24,320 --> 02:29:26,840
Speaker 1: to Heimark right now. And I don't know if there's

2858
02:29:26,879 --> 02:29:29,640
Speaker 1: a level of dedication anywhere else in the United States

2859
02:29:29,680 --> 02:29:31,800
Speaker 1: that really resembles that of the Bill's Mafia.

2860
02:29:32,280 --> 02:29:33,840
Speaker 8: You know what, the worst part about all that food

2861
02:29:33,879 --> 02:29:38,040
Speaker 8: you listed is, to you, yes, it sounds delicious, it

2862
02:29:38,200 --> 02:29:40,000
Speaker 8: sounds so good, but then at the end of it

2863
02:29:40,080 --> 02:29:42,240
Speaker 8: you realize that it is in fact stadium food and

2864
02:29:42,360 --> 02:29:44,760
Speaker 8: not like a restaurant. Right, so there's no way it's

2865
02:29:44,760 --> 02:29:46,640
Speaker 8: gonna actually live up to what your brain thinks. This

2866
02:29:46,720 --> 02:29:48,840
Speaker 8: is also probably like thirty five dollars.

2867
02:29:49,240 --> 02:29:52,400
Speaker 2: Well it is again. All right, Well, let's let I'm gonna,

2868
02:29:52,400 --> 02:29:54,320
Speaker 2: I'm gonna, I'm gonna take it back. So I have

2869
02:29:54,480 --> 02:29:57,160
Speaker 2: shared a few meals over the years of rich sure,

2870
02:29:57,240 --> 02:29:59,760
Speaker 2: and you've gone through different times your life. I've seen

2871
02:29:59,800 --> 02:30:02,640
Speaker 2: your weight fluctuate wildly over the years.

2872
02:30:02,800 --> 02:30:03,040
Speaker 1: Thank you.

2873
02:30:03,200 --> 02:30:05,040
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna, but I want to go back to

2874
02:30:05,160 --> 02:30:08,080
Speaker 2: when you really didn't care. Okay, when you're one of

2875
02:30:08,200 --> 02:30:12,040
Speaker 2: those like when we are doing the thirty eight My god, no, no, no,

2876
02:30:12,440 --> 02:30:15,360
Speaker 2: there's no point. We did a football season where we

2877
02:30:15,440 --> 02:30:17,680
Speaker 2: are on the road and he just he just gave

2878
02:30:17,760 --> 02:30:20,800
Speaker 2: in to everything, all right, So let's go back and

2879
02:30:20,920 --> 02:30:24,360
Speaker 2: let's say we and we've had this before. But let's

2880
02:30:24,360 --> 02:30:29,200
Speaker 2: say we're going in for wings. Sure, okay, and there

2881
02:30:29,360 --> 02:30:32,240
Speaker 2: is no limit in your mind. You you've decided that

2882
02:30:32,879 --> 02:30:36,760
Speaker 2: I am going to go all in on a wings feast.

2883
02:30:37,400 --> 02:30:40,840
Speaker 2: So take us down the path rich back in your prime,

2884
02:30:41,200 --> 02:30:45,480
Speaker 2: okay of just a feeding frenzy. Give me your order. Wings.

2885
02:30:45,600 --> 02:30:48,360
Speaker 2: How many wings? You know, question of course on or

2886
02:30:48,440 --> 02:30:52,520
Speaker 2: off the bone would be first? What intensity as far

2887
02:30:52,600 --> 02:30:56,120
Speaker 2: as the sauce is concerned. And give us your level

2888
02:30:56,200 --> 02:31:01,200
Speaker 2: of consumption when you put no limits on how many

2889
02:31:01,280 --> 02:31:02,400
Speaker 2: wings you would develop?

2890
02:31:02,760 --> 02:31:07,119
Speaker 1: Well, okay, so I'll start from the start. Medium medium

2891
02:31:07,160 --> 02:31:12,520
Speaker 1: buffalo sauce is my favorite order, okay, on bone on bone,

2892
02:31:13,200 --> 02:31:15,560
Speaker 1: Like I like the drums, I like the flappers. I

2893
02:31:15,680 --> 02:31:19,840
Speaker 1: do not discriminate. You know, there's some people like yeah

2894
02:31:20,040 --> 02:31:21,000
Speaker 1: the wings drums?

2895
02:31:21,080 --> 02:31:21,720
Speaker 2: Okay, okay.

2896
02:31:21,760 --> 02:31:24,800
Speaker 1: So and then look, I've grown some and you know this,

2897
02:31:25,040 --> 02:31:28,960
Speaker 1: I've matured and I've become maybe even more evolved.

2898
02:31:29,120 --> 02:31:31,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, but in your prime prime, But.

2899
02:31:31,560 --> 02:31:34,279
Speaker 1: In my prime, like when I was just a despicable,

2900
02:31:35,080 --> 02:31:43,240
Speaker 1: like just voracious, uh eating machine, thirty wings, I wouldn't

2901
02:31:43,280 --> 02:31:46,680
Speaker 1: bout an eye at thirty wings, yeah, dude, And I

2902
02:31:46,760 --> 02:31:50,120
Speaker 1: mean and if we're being perfectly honest. I hate the

2903
02:31:50,280 --> 02:31:52,800
Speaker 1: tiny little cups of blue cheese and ranch that they

2904
02:31:52,920 --> 02:31:55,400
Speaker 1: give you. What I like to do is I like

2905
02:31:55,480 --> 02:31:59,080
Speaker 1: to transfer those into a larger vessel. This way when

2906
02:31:59,160 --> 02:32:02,640
Speaker 1: I and I dunk my chicken wing. Ye, I'm getting

2907
02:32:02,680 --> 02:32:03,280
Speaker 1: full coverage.

2908
02:32:03,280 --> 02:32:06,720
Speaker 2: All right, So full coverage are now? Yeah, you're just

2909
02:32:06,840 --> 02:32:07,920
Speaker 2: going with the blue cheese.

2910
02:32:08,240 --> 02:32:10,600
Speaker 1: What are you doing? No? So so blue cheese can

2911
02:32:10,720 --> 02:32:13,400
Speaker 1: vary wildly. I think ranch is a bit more big time.

2912
02:32:13,440 --> 02:32:15,760
Speaker 1: It can be too watery. See, this is one of

2913
02:32:15,840 --> 02:32:18,400
Speaker 1: the ripoffs. We talked about this one time. How so

2914
02:32:18,480 --> 02:32:21,199
Speaker 1: many of these places rip you off by watering down

2915
02:32:21,720 --> 02:32:22,400
Speaker 1: their ranch.

2916
02:32:22,320 --> 02:32:26,160
Speaker 2: Or blue cheese and an annoy I mean it's I

2917
02:32:26,640 --> 02:32:30,920
Speaker 2: don't want soup. I want something that's gonna lather the

2918
02:32:31,000 --> 02:32:33,200
Speaker 2: wing exactly. Stick to the wing.

2919
02:32:33,480 --> 02:32:36,920
Speaker 1: Also, I encourage everybody, I know, the wings come to

2920
02:32:37,000 --> 02:32:38,880
Speaker 1: the table and you just want to dive right in.

2921
02:32:39,400 --> 02:32:42,280
Speaker 1: But if you give them like five to six to

2922
02:32:42,600 --> 02:32:45,360
Speaker 1: even sometimes seven minutes out of the fryar, you let

2923
02:32:45,400 --> 02:32:48,960
Speaker 1: them cool a little bit, you're gonna get more even coverage.

2924
02:32:49,040 --> 02:32:52,240
Speaker 1: Because what happens is a lot of the oil that

2925
02:32:52,320 --> 02:32:55,160
Speaker 1: they're fried with and and a lot of the sauce

2926
02:32:55,440 --> 02:32:58,040
Speaker 1: starts to stick better, and then when you dunk it

2927
02:32:58,120 --> 02:33:00,200
Speaker 1: into the rancher the blue cheese, you'll actually you had

2928
02:33:00,320 --> 02:33:03,279
Speaker 1: a better coverage on the wing. But I digress, getting

2929
02:33:03,320 --> 02:33:05,680
Speaker 1: back to the blue cheese or the ranch both. The

2930
02:33:05,760 --> 02:33:09,920
Speaker 1: answer is always both, because there are times where I want,

2931
02:33:10,040 --> 02:33:12,960
Speaker 1: I don't know the sharpness and the funk of the

2932
02:33:13,040 --> 02:33:13,760
Speaker 1: blue cheese, and.

2933
02:33:13,840 --> 02:33:17,400
Speaker 2: Don't water it down, don't give me the real deal.

2934
02:33:17,480 --> 02:33:19,720
Speaker 2: And by the way, what do you say when they

2935
02:33:19,800 --> 02:33:22,680
Speaker 2: throw those carrot and celery sticks into the mix? Is

2936
02:33:22,760 --> 02:33:24,920
Speaker 2: that to try to make you feel better that you know,

2937
02:33:25,160 --> 02:33:27,840
Speaker 2: I'm gonna dip in by the way, that carrot stick

2938
02:33:28,000 --> 02:33:30,960
Speaker 2: or that cellery stick deep into the ranch lather, that

2939
02:33:31,240 --> 02:33:33,920
Speaker 2: somehow that's going to be healthier than devouring one of

2940
02:33:33,959 --> 02:33:36,959
Speaker 2: the wings. You've got to be of the mindset don't

2941
02:33:37,080 --> 02:33:39,920
Speaker 2: waste my time with those carrot and celery sticks.

2942
02:33:40,200 --> 02:33:45,160
Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, if there is somebody out there like

2943
02:33:45,280 --> 02:33:48,959
Speaker 1: who thinks like the celery and the carrot stick really

2944
02:33:49,879 --> 02:33:53,000
Speaker 1: makes a difference. It's basically like, you know how sometimes

2945
02:33:53,040 --> 02:33:55,920
Speaker 1: when you're handed I don't know, like a plate of

2946
02:33:56,040 --> 02:33:58,720
Speaker 1: chicken tenders and you have that weird piece of lettuce

2947
02:33:58,800 --> 02:34:01,000
Speaker 1: underneath it, so you try to class up the joint,

2948
02:34:01,240 --> 02:34:03,400
Speaker 1: you know what. Take that piece of lettuce and throw

2949
02:34:03,440 --> 02:34:06,360
Speaker 1: it like send it to the moon. I get it

2950
02:34:06,560 --> 02:34:09,680
Speaker 1: off the plate. It belongs nowhere near the chicken wings.

2951
02:34:09,720 --> 02:34:14,200
Speaker 2: I ordered wings. I did not order carrot and celery sticks. Correct,

2952
02:34:14,320 --> 02:34:17,040
Speaker 2: I never ordered. No one says, hey, can I get

2953
02:34:17,080 --> 02:34:19,040
Speaker 2: the wings and make sure you got the carrot and

2954
02:34:19,120 --> 02:34:22,080
Speaker 2: celery sticks there? Nobody says that, yeah, yeah, and yet

2955
02:34:22,120 --> 02:34:22,800
Speaker 2: they just arrived.

2956
02:34:22,840 --> 02:34:26,600
Speaker 1: Anyway, there's I went to dinner with one peron well dinner,

2957
02:34:27,040 --> 02:34:29,640
Speaker 1: you know, drinks and appetite like well, you know, bar

2958
02:34:30,240 --> 02:34:34,360
Speaker 1: food situation with one person in my entire life who

2959
02:34:34,560 --> 02:34:37,480
Speaker 1: was upset that carrots and we actually both know this

2960
02:34:37,600 --> 02:34:40,920
Speaker 1: person that carrots and celeries weren't served with the chicken wings,

2961
02:34:41,480 --> 02:34:43,440
Speaker 1: and I honestly I almost threw them out of the

2962
02:34:43,480 --> 02:34:44,320
Speaker 1: restaurant myself.

2963
02:34:45,120 --> 02:34:47,959
Speaker 2: All right, Coming up, the second half has just gotten underway.

2964
02:34:48,040 --> 02:34:50,840
Speaker 2: A tie game between the Lions and the Bucks. How

2965
02:34:50,879 --> 02:34:53,959
Speaker 2: will this game finish? Our predictions for the Bills and Chiefs.

2966
02:34:54,040 --> 02:34:57,440
Speaker 2: This is Fox Sports Red Zone Radio Steve Harban and

2967
02:34:57,760 --> 02:35:00,600
Speaker 2: a Rich Armberger Fox Sports Red Zone on Radio. We

2968
02:35:00,680 --> 02:35:04,080
Speaker 2: are live from the tire Raka dot com Studios. I

2969
02:35:04,120 --> 02:35:07,240
Speaker 2: want to thank the guys today Brian Fanley coming in

2970
02:35:07,440 --> 02:35:10,360
Speaker 2: and getting the job done, giving us updates on everything

2971
02:35:10,440 --> 02:35:14,400
Speaker 2: happening in the sports world. Our brilliant producer, Bo who

2972
02:35:15,760 --> 02:35:18,720
Speaker 2: fully expected that his Eagles would be well entrenched in

2973
02:35:18,800 --> 02:35:21,840
Speaker 2: these playoffs after that ten and one start did not happen.

2974
02:35:22,400 --> 02:35:26,520
Speaker 2: There's always next year, Bo, There's always next year. Are

2975
02:35:26,560 --> 02:35:28,600
Speaker 2: you feeling a bounce back in twenty twenty four?

2976
02:35:29,040 --> 02:35:29,200
Speaker 1: Oh?

2977
02:35:29,320 --> 02:35:29,760
Speaker 8: Who knows?

2978
02:35:29,840 --> 02:35:30,080
Speaker 1: Maybe?

2979
02:35:30,520 --> 02:35:34,520
Speaker 2: Maybe? Maybe that's said with no level of confidence. Yeah

2980
02:35:34,680 --> 02:35:39,680
Speaker 2: at all. And then of course we have Chris who, well, Chris,

2981
02:35:39,800 --> 02:35:43,240
Speaker 2: let's get your thoughts right now. Ten ten game, Tampa

2982
02:35:44,440 --> 02:35:46,360
Speaker 2: had the ball first in the half. They just punted

2983
02:35:46,400 --> 02:35:48,680
Speaker 2: the ball back to the Lions. Both these teams really

2984
02:35:49,280 --> 02:35:52,760
Speaker 2: struggling to find any consistency with their offense. How are

2985
02:35:52,840 --> 02:35:55,640
Speaker 2: you feeling about your Lions team right now?

2986
02:35:55,959 --> 02:35:57,920
Speaker 6: My brain is empty, That's how I'm feeling right now.

2987
02:35:58,000 --> 02:35:59,920
Speaker 6: Feel a little bit better after that first down there?

2988
02:36:00,040 --> 02:36:03,120
Speaker 6: How about a way over the middle flag. Let's see

2989
02:36:03,120 --> 02:36:03,680
Speaker 6: where that goes?

2990
02:36:03,760 --> 02:36:05,200
Speaker 2: All right? So we had a big play over the

2991
02:36:05,240 --> 02:36:07,840
Speaker 2: middle right there for a big game, and golf is

2992
02:36:07,920 --> 02:36:11,080
Speaker 2: looking and we've got an illegal block against the Lions,

2993
02:36:11,520 --> 02:36:13,480
Speaker 2: and that brain what can I sack?

2994
02:36:14,160 --> 02:36:17,960
Speaker 6: So brain is empty. I'm just, I'm just, I'm just now,

2995
02:36:18,280 --> 02:36:20,000
Speaker 6: just let me just. I have to absorb it. I

2996
02:36:20,080 --> 02:36:21,760
Speaker 6: can't act and think at the same time.

2997
02:36:21,800 --> 02:36:24,560
Speaker 2: I have a warning. I see Dan is here getting

2998
02:36:24,560 --> 02:36:26,920
Speaker 2: ready for the next show. Look out, Dan, you're going

2999
02:36:27,000 --> 02:36:29,280
Speaker 2: to have your hands full. Oh wait a second. Here,

3000
02:36:30,920 --> 02:36:32,280
Speaker 2: we have everybody in the house.

3001
02:36:32,520 --> 02:36:34,560
Speaker 1: That's right, that's right.

3002
02:36:35,560 --> 02:36:39,160
Speaker 2: Ryan's in the house, the whole gang. Yeah, Birch is here,

3003
02:36:39,320 --> 02:36:43,520
Speaker 2: everybody's here. Picked up the flag? What sorry, I'm gonna

3004
02:36:43,520 --> 02:36:45,520
Speaker 2: turn off my micro It is third and seven. They

3005
02:36:45,600 --> 02:36:48,400
Speaker 2: did not pick up the flag. Third and seventeen right

3006
02:36:48,480 --> 02:36:52,440
Speaker 2: now from your own eight yard line for the Lions.

3007
02:36:52,640 --> 02:36:55,400
Speaker 2: And let's see how this play goes. And that's going

3008
02:36:55,440 --> 02:36:57,040
Speaker 2: to be short of a first down, So now the

3009
02:36:57,120 --> 02:36:59,480
Speaker 2: Lions are gonna have to punt, all right, Rich, Let's

3010
02:36:59,520 --> 02:37:02,840
Speaker 2: get yours on the final score, the final outcome of

3011
02:37:02,879 --> 02:37:06,320
Speaker 2: this game between the Lions and the Buccaneers. Which way

3012
02:37:06,440 --> 02:37:07,879
Speaker 2: are you going? Well?

3013
02:37:08,000 --> 02:37:12,040
Speaker 1: I hate it for the Lions, but the injuries up

3014
02:37:12,080 --> 02:37:15,520
Speaker 1: front on the offensive line could could be disastrous for them,

3015
02:37:15,800 --> 02:37:18,520
Speaker 1: So we'll see how they hold up. But you got

3016
02:37:18,640 --> 02:37:21,040
Speaker 1: to give the edge to the Buccaneers just from a

3017
02:37:21,120 --> 02:37:24,720
Speaker 1: health standpoint, and how crucial your center and your left

3018
02:37:24,720 --> 02:37:26,080
Speaker 1: guard are to your success.

3019
02:37:28,040 --> 02:37:32,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, after the thrill of victory last week and how

3020
02:37:32,240 --> 02:37:36,160
Speaker 2: it affected Lions fans everywhere if they were to lose

3021
02:37:36,240 --> 02:37:42,560
Speaker 2: at home today, yikes. So the punt out of the

3022
02:37:43,280 --> 02:37:45,640
Speaker 2: right at the goal line, and Tampa's going to get

3023
02:37:45,640 --> 02:37:48,320
Speaker 2: some pretty good field position here at the forty yard line.

3024
02:37:48,680 --> 02:37:50,280
Speaker 2: I'm starting with you here, Rich, I'm going to do

3025
02:37:50,360 --> 02:37:53,480
Speaker 2: with the Lions a favor. How about that. I'll lean Tampa.

3026
02:37:54,120 --> 02:37:55,279
Speaker 1: Okay, you'll lean Tampa.

3027
02:37:55,320 --> 02:37:58,240
Speaker 2: I'm leaning Tampa, which is usually good news for the Lions.

3028
02:37:58,240 --> 02:38:00,480
Speaker 2: I'm trying to do them a favor. I have again,

3029
02:38:00,760 --> 02:38:02,600
Speaker 2: my brother in law, Chris, who I've known for over

3030
02:38:02,760 --> 02:38:03,440
Speaker 2: thirty years.

3031
02:38:03,800 --> 02:38:04,760
Speaker 1: He's huge.

3032
02:38:05,000 --> 02:38:07,520
Speaker 2: He's just like our Chris right now, he's dying with

3033
02:38:07,600 --> 02:38:10,840
Speaker 2: this game. All right. So coming up, you're taking the Chiefs.

3034
02:38:11,280 --> 02:38:13,920
Speaker 1: Yeah. I took both the dogs yesterday. I took both

3035
02:38:13,959 --> 02:38:17,039
Speaker 1: the dogs today. I like Tampa Bay going into Detroit.

3036
02:38:17,120 --> 02:38:20,520
Speaker 1: I like the Chiefs going into Buffalo. And even though

3037
02:38:20,520 --> 02:38:23,160
Speaker 1: it didn't work out in terms of the Green Bay

3038
02:38:23,400 --> 02:38:26,840
Speaker 1: or excuse me, the Houston Texans keeping it close with

3039
02:38:26,920 --> 02:38:32,520
Speaker 1: the Baltimore Ravens. Green Bay certainly covered. So it's looking

3040
02:38:32,600 --> 02:38:36,080
Speaker 1: good in terms of close games in the Divisional round,

3041
02:38:36,160 --> 02:38:38,800
Speaker 1: at least for now. We'll see what the outcomes are tonight.

3042
02:38:38,879 --> 02:38:41,440
Speaker 1: But I see that being a one score game too,

3043
02:38:41,920 --> 02:38:44,440
Speaker 1: and I could see it easily being decided by a

3044
02:38:44,480 --> 02:38:48,640
Speaker 1: field goal. So I felt real comfortable with taking the Chiefs.

3045
02:38:48,680 --> 02:38:52,720
Speaker 1: And also I give the Chiefs, I mean, more than

3046
02:38:52,800 --> 02:38:55,240
Speaker 1: a shot to win. I mean, it's Patrick Mahomes in

3047
02:38:55,280 --> 02:38:59,560
Speaker 1: the postseason, it's Andy Reid, it's Travis Kelcey. I understand

3048
02:38:59,600 --> 02:39:01,400
Speaker 1: it hasn't I've been a perfect season for the Chiefs,

3049
02:39:01,480 --> 02:39:03,600
Speaker 1: but I like the Chiefs tonight to win. Outright.

3050
02:39:03,760 --> 02:39:05,640
Speaker 2: Well, I'm going to pay a compliment to the Kansas

3051
02:39:05,680 --> 02:39:10,520
Speaker 2: City Chiefs. I hate them right now. I'm getting so

3052
02:39:11,000 --> 02:39:14,960
Speaker 2: sick of watching Andy Reid and Travis Kelsey and Patrick

3053
02:39:15,040 --> 02:39:17,920
Speaker 2: Mahomes on every other commercial I watch on TV. I'm

3054
02:39:17,959 --> 02:39:19,600
Speaker 2: sick and tired of him, just like I was with

3055
02:39:19,680 --> 02:39:22,959
Speaker 2: the New England Patriots. Enough enough, Okay, I'm rooting against

3056
02:39:22,959 --> 02:39:26,600
Speaker 2: the Chiefs hard. I'm working. I'm picking the Bills to win.

3057
02:39:27,000 --> 02:39:28,840
Speaker 2: In fact, I think the Bills win by at least

3058
02:39:28,959 --> 02:39:32,000
Speaker 2: ten at home today against the Chiefs. Of course, none

3059
02:39:32,000 --> 02:39:34,000
Speaker 2: of this is going to happen, but I am rooting

3060
02:39:34,879 --> 02:39:38,160
Speaker 2: in that direction. It's an amazing We have our friend,

3061
02:39:38,280 --> 02:39:42,160
Speaker 2: our former boss, Brian Long, lifelong Chiefs fan. I have

3062
02:39:42,240 --> 02:39:46,680
Speaker 2: a lot of Lucky Lashue. Our Oscar guy is a

3063
02:39:46,920 --> 02:39:51,200
Speaker 2: lifelong Chiefs fan, and I get texts from him all

3064
02:39:51,240 --> 02:39:54,480
Speaker 2: the time. I'm tired of the Chiefs. I am so

3065
02:39:55,200 --> 02:39:59,520
Speaker 2: tired of the chick I'm rooting hard. But don't get

3066
02:39:59,560 --> 02:40:01,920
Speaker 2: me stucky. Oh come on, that's a zero factor for me.

3067
02:40:02,240 --> 02:40:06,000
Speaker 2: I'm mile in Chiefs well that I could live without anyway.

3068
02:40:06,360 --> 02:40:09,000
Speaker 2: I am saying it's going to be the Bills, and

3069
02:40:09,160 --> 02:40:10,920
Speaker 2: it's going to be Tampa the rest of the way.

3070
02:40:11,000 --> 02:40:13,440
Speaker 2: All right, don't go anywhere, folks, got much more coming up.

3071
02:40:13,720 --> 02:40:15,600
Speaker 2: Got a big game coming up, and a big game

3072
02:40:15,680 --> 02:40:17,760
Speaker 2: going on right now. This is Fox Sports Radio.