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Speaker 1: Hey everybody, Scott Patterson, I I'm all in podcast. This
Speaker 1: is going to be part two of The Collins the
Speaker 1: season six wrap up, Q and A, Carol and High.
Speaker 1: How are you doing? You're what part of us? Are
Speaker 1: you in Melbourne?
Speaker 2: No, I'm in Adelaide? Okay?
Speaker 3: And what time is it? Is it tomorrow?
Speaker 2: It's tomorrow, it's ten am.
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, gosh, it's three thirty pm in Californias.
Speaker 3: I just I'm so bad. But it makes me think
Speaker 3: of Dumb.
Speaker 1: And Dummer Friday Friday morning.
Speaker 3: Do you guys know? You know in Dumb and Dummer
Speaker 3: and he's like, put on all the shrimp on the mom.
Speaker 2: Say that.
Speaker 3: I Oh, that's why it's so dumb and that and dumber.
Speaker 1: It's so great.
Speaker 2: It's a good good movie, good movie.
Speaker 4: Oh everything.
Speaker 1: Are you a big fan? You're a big Gilmour.
Speaker 2: Fan of course? Of course.
Speaker 1: How many times have you seen the show?
Speaker 5: I probably watched it once a year from maybe sixteen
Speaker 5: years old and I'm thirty five now, so however many
Speaker 5: times that is?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 3: When did it first? Have you? Obviously you're born and
Speaker 3: raised in Australia. When did you first get it?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: When did Australia get it?
Speaker 2: I'm not sure.
Speaker 5: I think I think i'd heard about it and it
Speaker 5: sounded like my kind of thing, and I bought the
Speaker 5: fourth season, so I think I actually started with the
Speaker 5: fourth season and then went back.
Speaker 2: DVD. Yes, oh wow, that.
Speaker 3: Would be weird to start in season four.
Speaker 2: It's a good season, so it was fine.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh my god, but what if you think of
Speaker 3: Susan's sucks?
Speaker 2: It has some really excellent bits.
Speaker 5: I don't love everything, but it's still really good quality television.
Speaker 5: And that last episode with I think is that the
Speaker 5: last episode with all the troubadours?
Speaker 2: And yep, that's so good.
Speaker 5: It's so fun, really good cameos from some amazing musicians.
Speaker 2: So I had a good time with that one.
Speaker 1: Good.
Speaker 3: But how did you feel about the ending when she
Speaker 3: goes to Christopher?
Speaker 2: I mean, not great. Don't feel great about that one.
Speaker 2: I think that was a choice.
Speaker 3: How do you feel about Christopher? I'm still trying to
Speaker 3: find one human being that does not dislike it.
Speaker 1: It's not You're the only one, Amy, You're the only one.
Speaker 5: I'm so sorry, Amy, look, I think I think he's
Speaker 5: an interesting character to a degree.
Speaker 1: That's being generous, very generous.
Speaker 5: I'm trying to be nice to Amy.
Speaker 2: I don't love I don't love Christopher.
Speaker 3: No, what's your take on why she runs back to him?
Speaker 2: That kind of ties into my question a little bit
Speaker 2: to me, what is your question? Okay? I wrote it
Speaker 2: down because I'm really forgetful.
Speaker 5: So so in terms of loot character development as well
Speaker 5: as character consistency, do you feel like season six has
Speaker 5: too much conflict for the sake of conflict?
Speaker 1: Yes, I do. I do. That's an excellent question, and
Speaker 1: it's a it's a really good observation, and I think
Speaker 1: it it becomes you know, I I if there's gosh.
Speaker 1: I don't want to sound like I'm being critical, but
Speaker 1: here it goes. I think it's really important for from
Speaker 1: a writing perspective, to a character emanates, I'm sorry, plot
Speaker 1: emanates from character. That's the best kind of writing. But
Speaker 1: when things start getting plotty, then that, yes, that's a criticism,
Speaker 1: and that means you're imposing on these characters behaviors that
Speaker 1: are out of character to fit into a plot. And
Speaker 1: that's I think what your question encapsulates I think that's
Speaker 1: that's the concern. So, yeah, you framed it beautifully, yes,
Speaker 1: so I agree, I agree. I think it got ploty.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I just think that as well. Luke and
Speaker 5: Lareli has been set up from the beginning. There's been
Speaker 5: a lot of foreshadowing in earlier seasons. Luke loves Lauraai
Speaker 5: so so much and has fought so hard to get
Speaker 5: where they are that I.
Speaker 2: Just don't believe that he wouldn't fight harder for her.
Speaker 2: That's just my take.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's out of character.
Speaker 3: That's a good take. I do agree with that, which
Speaker 3: is kind of been one of my points.
Speaker 1: Right And I think we've tried to justify this, and
Speaker 1: I personally have tried to justify it to defend him,
Speaker 1: but there really is no defense for it other than
Speaker 1: things got imposed on the character that drive him farther
Speaker 1: away from his character than he would normally act what
Speaker 1: has already been established in what kind of a solid
Speaker 1: person he is.
Speaker 3: I also think Laureli could have given him more time,
Speaker 3: more grace. As I've said, more just chill or lie chill.
Speaker 3: A little bit of that is how I feel like,
Speaker 3: just chill. He's been through this major thing he loves you.
Speaker 3: He's repeatedly really made that clear in his Luke way.
Speaker 3: I don't know. It's not a popular take, but it's mine.
Speaker 1: But it is television. It's not film, right, it is television.
Speaker 1: You need to have events, you need to have, you know,
Speaker 1: story points. You need to hit them hard to keep
Speaker 1: an audience engaged, especially when a show is in declining
Speaker 1: ratings like season six. It was right, and I think
Speaker 1: it peaked in four and five, and then it started
Speaker 1: coming down a little bit in six, so I think
Speaker 1: that was a concern. So yeah, it's just writing for
Speaker 1: television has got to be a nightmare. It's got to
Speaker 1: be so hard to keep it real and keep these
Speaker 1: care characters resembling themselves. But sometimes you've got to make
Speaker 1: some tough choices and to retain an audience. I guess,
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: It happens.
Speaker 5: I think in a lot of really good TV shows
Speaker 5: towards the later seasons where they maybe just don't get
Speaker 5: the balance quite right. So there's maybe a little bit
Speaker 5: too much conflict, maybe not enough comedy or something to
Speaker 5: offset that conflict, which I think in the earlier seasons
Speaker 5: is done so well.
Speaker 1: So here's what happens what television shows experience that are
Speaker 1: ramping up the first couple of years and becoming successful.
Speaker 1: What happens is there are so many shows that each
Speaker 1: network is producing on a yearly basis, that ones that
Speaker 1: usually they're seeing flagging ratings right away for most of them,
Speaker 1: so they kill those off. They don't put a lot
Speaker 1: of assets or time into those. They know those aren't
Speaker 1: going to make it. They can just see the numbers
Speaker 1: and say, well, this is just not We're not going
Speaker 1: to invest in this further. But the ones that do
Speaker 1: hit the view and far between, and Gilmour's in that category,
Speaker 1: that's when the studio steps in and starts imposing notes
Speaker 1: on the creatives. And that's when the problems begin, and
Speaker 1: that's where the disagreements begin, and that's when you notice
Speaker 1: it on the TV show because the creatives are like, no,
Speaker 1: we're not going to impose this on these characters. These
Speaker 1: characters wouldn't say this, they wouldn't act this way. But
Speaker 1: when a network or a studio feels they've got to
Speaker 1: hit on their hands, then they start getting very hands
Speaker 1: on with the notes and the impositions and the plot points,
Speaker 1: and it's got to go in this diriction. So so
Speaker 1: it's an ephema to the creative process, but they're paying
Speaker 1: for it, and it's their money invested in this. So
Speaker 1: either do it or we're going to fire you, or
Speaker 1: you know, you're going to have problems with us going forward.
Speaker 1: And a lot of creatives just sort of like, gosh,
Speaker 1: you know, we don't want to we don't want to
Speaker 1: make it hard for ourselves, and how do we do this?
Speaker 1: And they try to figure out a way to do it.
Speaker 1: Sometimes they do it very successfully, sometimes you don't. So yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just a nature of the beasts.
Speaker 2: That's all absolutely just a nature of it.
Speaker 5: Just it must be really difficult for people on the
Speaker 5: creative end. This is something they really really care about.
Speaker 5: It's something they pour a lot into. I imagine it
Speaker 5: must be really hard to have. So so I like
Speaker 5: to I'd like to do a little caveat. I'm not
Speaker 5: trying to be overly critical either, because I know there's
Speaker 5: a lot of moving parts and when people make something
Speaker 5: that they put a lot into it, it must be
Speaker 5: really hard to have that overhead kind of interfering with
Speaker 5: your vision.
Speaker 1: So at the ground level on set, when you see
Speaker 1: a script come in in a last minute rewrite and
Speaker 1: you look at it and you go, oh god, this
Speaker 1: and then you go to the writer, you go to
Speaker 1: the creators and you go, guys, what's going on here?
Speaker 1: Where are these notes coming from? Well, it's a network,
Speaker 1: and it's like, uh huh, of course it is. Well
Speaker 1: I'm not going to say this, and I'm not going
Speaker 1: to say this, and I'm not because I you know,
Speaker 1: I don't tell them how to do their job and
Speaker 1: they can't tell me how to do mine. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: they're But the thing is is they're driving the bus,
Speaker 1: they're paying for it, they're promoting it, and somehow it's
Speaker 1: got to be pulled off and there are a lot
Speaker 1: of compromises that are made.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna have to you have to play the game.
Speaker 6: This brings them.
Speaker 3: Not always, this brings up my question. Bring this brings
Speaker 3: up my question, And Suzanne, I'd love for you to
Speaker 3: jump in. You know how, there's the theory I think
Speaker 3: you mentioned it that that Palladino's sort of intentionally through
Speaker 3: for lack of a better word, part of season six.
Speaker 4: MM.
Speaker 3: I don't believe that because as like someone who produces shows,
Speaker 3: right and Scott, you can weigh in and Carolyn, I
Speaker 3: want to hear your take too. If this is your
Speaker 3: baby and it's so important to you, even though you
Speaker 3: can't work out your contract, I can't imagine ever intentionally
Speaker 3: doing bad work for something that has my name on it,
Speaker 3: even if I'm not coming back. I just can't imagine
Speaker 3: doing that. I just can't imagine they would do that.
Speaker 3: That's just my sort of thought question for you guys.
Speaker 4: I think it kind of ties back to the question
Speaker 4: is there drama just for the sake of drama or
Speaker 4: was it necessary to drive the story? And you know,
Speaker 4: I don't know. Like I've said before, I don't I've
Speaker 4: never met Amy and Dan, I don't know them. I'm
Speaker 4: I'm not saying for sure that that's what happened. I it.
Speaker 4: It just wouldn't surprise me. I mean, I I get
Speaker 4: that it must have been incredibly difficult for them to
Speaker 4: take what they had created and nurtured and built and
Speaker 4: then just turn it over to somebody else like that
Speaker 4: must have been incredibly difficult. So I can't even, you know,
Speaker 4: say that I know how that feels, all right.
Speaker 1: Let me let me let me let me give you
Speaker 1: an analogy here. Imagine Picasso meeting with and he used
Speaker 1: to meet with people used to give him a couple
Speaker 1: of minutes, and he'd say, this one's five million, this
Speaker 1: one's ten million, this one's fifteen million. You got two
Speaker 1: minutes to design. Can you imagine one of these people saying, well,
Speaker 1: I really like this one, but can you maybe put
Speaker 1: a little more daba red over there right right? Because
Speaker 1: my thing, my wife would really like it. I'm paying
Speaker 1: for it, so you better do it, pal.
Speaker 3: And I bet you somebody did say that to Picasso,
Speaker 3: because somebody says that to everybody.
Speaker 1: And do you know what Picasso's probably said, get the
Speaker 1: f out of my studio. And Amy and Dan are
Speaker 1: Picassos of the television writing world, and they were back then,
Speaker 1: and they took great pride in creating these characters, and
Speaker 1: they took great pride in crafting these shows. And for
Speaker 1: somebody to come in and a not give them a
Speaker 1: two year deal, which is really really unusual, it's really contentious.
Speaker 1: It means the relationship was bad. I mean, the question
Speaker 1: is is can you see them, you know, reckon one
Speaker 1: of their own paintings at the end as a few
Speaker 1: to the studio.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean It's like, these are human beings, these are
Speaker 1: these are highly gifted creative people who fight for their choices,
Speaker 1: you know, because you know, real artists fight for their choices.
Speaker 3: I think if they had the vision to know, and
Speaker 3: maybe they did at that point because of the DVDs
Speaker 3: that the show was really going to have.
Speaker 1: A but if, but they know, you know, like we
Speaker 1: gotta play ball. What if they you know, the process
Speaker 1: is like we gotta play ball. You know, we want
Speaker 1: to tell other stories, We have other ideas in the future,
Speaker 1: and we gotta you know, we gotta part. It has
Speaker 1: to be a good parting, a peaceful party, you know,
Speaker 1: there can't be bad blood. So maybe we just did.
Speaker 1: I mean, who knows why people do these things.
Speaker 4: I mean, it doesn't It doesn't really matter in the
Speaker 4: end what motivation was, because we're as viewers, but we're.
Speaker 1: Talking, we're exploring all the possibilities of it. No, I agree,
Speaker 1: it doesn't really matter. But you know, I'm a person
Speaker 1: who fights for my choices on set. Yeah, And the
Speaker 1: reason I fight for my choices is because I trust
Speaker 1: myself implicitly. I know myself as an actor. I know
Speaker 1: what I can act, I know what I can't possibly act.
Speaker 1: I know what is actable. I know what is going
Speaker 1: to make me look like a bad actor, and that
Speaker 1: is my butt up there on screen, and that's forever.
Speaker 3: So there's a there aren't any times to compromise your art.
Speaker 1: So that's that's the challenge for artists, quote unquote artists
Speaker 1: working in a medium that thrives on compromise. Yeah, it's difficult,
Speaker 1: it's difficult.
Speaker 3: Well, Carolyn, you know, you started quite a conversation.
Speaker 5: I'll just add one point and then I'll I'll let
Speaker 5: you guys got.
Speaker 1: It's great being on your podcast. I love it.
Speaker 3: Give it to us, Carolyn, give it to us.
Speaker 5: Scared, I think, no, no, not at all. Not scary,
Speaker 5: given all of that context together, I think it's also
Speaker 5: entirely possible that if you know, you thought you had
Speaker 5: two years, but now you've got one year, and you
Speaker 5: had all of these directions for all of these wonderful characters.
Speaker 2: I wonder if that's why.
Speaker 5: It feels a bit too plotty, And that's why it
Speaker 5: feels a bit too stacked, because they wanted to do
Speaker 5: all of these things and they had a very limited
Speaker 5: time to do them. So I just wonder if that's
Speaker 5: another reason why it could be.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess we'll never know unless we get the
Speaker 1: Great Lady and the great Man on the show to
Speaker 1: pound them pound away.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we actually need it. We have not asked them yet,
Speaker 3: and we should.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you should, we should do it.
Speaker 3: Carolyn, enjoy a whole different day than we're in.
Speaker 2: It's very hot here, so it.
Speaker 3: Is there.
Speaker 2: It's going to be close to forty degrees today.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, forty degrees.
Speaker 1: That's like in the nineties. No, that's nineties. That's like
Speaker 1: ninety five.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Oh that's hot. Still stand in doorstors on the bobby. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Put another log on the fire there, Carolyn.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I don't know anything.
Speaker 1: Day warm.
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1: Thank you thanks for calling in. We had a blast.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 4: Thank you.
Speaker 1: Be well.
Speaker 2: Bye guys, bye.
Speaker 3: Hi, hi hi. You're stuck with us only for a second.
Speaker 3: Scott's coming back. But Linda, where are you?
Speaker 6: I live in South Georgia, Valdosta.
Speaker 3: Whoa, that's the town Valta.
Speaker 6: That's the towns It's about ten minutes north of Florida.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, okay cool.
Speaker 6: It's Moody Air Force Base And how.
Speaker 3: Far from Atlanta about four.
Speaker 6: Hours all right, Oh cool, four hours with four hours south.
Speaker 6: We lived in Atlanta for thirty something years ago. Way, yes,
Speaker 6: and then my daughter went off and got married and
Speaker 6: had a child, so we had to move close.
Speaker 3: I so get it. That's awesome. So is that your
Speaker 3: first brand baby?
Speaker 6: Yes, yes, ma'am.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, there's this grandma's need to be right by
Speaker 3: those babies.
Speaker 6: Oh yes, yes, he's nine, so it doesn't matter.
Speaker 3: You'll be there until least twenty five.
Speaker 2: Who cares.
Speaker 6: I will be there until I take my last breath.
Speaker 4: For sure.
Speaker 3: It's so sweet. So Scott is going to come back,
Speaker 3: but it makes before he does. I'd love to hear
Speaker 3: your question about Christopher, as I am the only person
Speaker 3: who possibly likes Christopher it seems at all. And I'm
Speaker 3: not saying I love him and he's you know, I
Speaker 3: want her to marry him, but I'm just saying I
Speaker 3: don't hate him.
Speaker 6: Well, I don't hate Christopher either. And my take is
Speaker 6: I think Laura Lai uses Christopher as her safe space.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think you're very accurate with that. He is her.
Speaker 3: We sort of talked about it earlier, like when you
Speaker 3: go through something tough. You immediately go to to that
Speaker 3: person that's like always going to be there for you,
Speaker 3: and you know they're going to be there, and you
Speaker 3: know they sort of worship you, right, and you don't
Speaker 3: love them as much exactly.
Speaker 6: And Christopher love him or hate him, he wants Laura
Speaker 6: I all the time anytime.
Speaker 3: See I agree. Now, Suzanne, you have a different take
Speaker 3: on that, right, Like I agree that I think he
Speaker 3: loves her and wants to be with.
Speaker 6: Her, oh one hundred percent. But I also think that
Speaker 6: Laurrela I doesn't deny it. I mean they've been together
Speaker 6: their entire lives. They are the only two people besides
Speaker 6: their parents that have known them their entire lives. So
Speaker 6: where does she go for safety and security? We already
Speaker 6: know she had a tumultuous relationship being Yes, I agree
Speaker 6: he's selfless. He is selfish and arrogant because he knows
Speaker 6: he can get Laura I. Because she's never going to
Speaker 6: say no when there is any tie of chaos going
Speaker 6: on around her with whomever, who does she run to?
Speaker 6: She runs to Christopher.
Speaker 3: You know you you just said something there Linda too
Speaker 3: that really made me think she can't say no to him,
Speaker 3: because even after they have the worst blow up in
Speaker 3: the history of blow ups. She still is like, I'll
Speaker 3: take Gigi, I'll take care of it. What do you need?
Speaker 3: Let me come over to your house when your father
Speaker 3: passed away. She can't. She can't, she can't get rid
Speaker 3: of him.
Speaker 6: She has not been wanted to right. She does not
Speaker 6: have the ability to say no to him. And that's
Speaker 6: proven because they've had sex multiple times, and multiple times
Speaker 6: she could have said no.
Speaker 3: I totally called that out too, that I know people
Speaker 3: don't like him, but she does. She likes him.
Speaker 6: I'm not a now, I'm not a Christopher fan. I'm
Speaker 6: a Luke. I've been I've watched the show hundreds of times,
Speaker 6: and I'm per Luke. My thing is she uses Christopher
Speaker 6: as her one and only safe space where I or
Speaker 6: another woman. I would never go to my ex if
Speaker 6: I had a problem with my mine now, I would
Speaker 6: go to a girlfriend, right, I would go to a girlfriend.
Speaker 6: I would never go to an ex. Where does she
Speaker 6: go to the one person she feels absolutely the safest
Speaker 6: with because she knows when she's with him nothing can happen.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm. And she also is very who she is
Speaker 3: with him. There's no walls up. There's no, she's not
Speaker 3: putting up up front. She doesn't have to pretend she
Speaker 3: didn't have the childhood. She had the good and the bad,
Speaker 3: the rich and the you know, all of it. He
Speaker 3: can goally relate and they have this they have rory,
Speaker 3: so like they have this thing right forever. As much
Speaker 3: as everybody doesn't want to hear.
Speaker 6: It, he's they're but they're connected on not just the
Speaker 6: roy level. They're connected on a primal level. They're connected
Speaker 6: on a level that nobody outside of the two of
Speaker 6: them can understand. When she had problems with Maxi Medina,
Speaker 6: who did she go to? She called? She called Christopher
Speaker 6: the night of her bachelorette party. To Max Medina, she
Speaker 6: runs to him. She ran to him when she when
Speaker 6: they had that when Francine and Strobe, we're all Strobe
Speaker 6: was all up in her will. What did they do
Speaker 6: go and have sex? She never says no, She never
Speaker 6: says no.
Speaker 3: And do you think they have chemistry? I do, but
Speaker 3: a lot of people shoot.
Speaker 2: That now, No, I don't.
Speaker 6: Again, I don't think they have chemistry because they know
Speaker 6: each other on a primal level, which is a lot
Speaker 6: different than having chemistry, like she and the oh, this
Speaker 6: is all kinds of chemistry. Let me just say there
Speaker 6: are certain episodes I will watch over and over and
Speaker 6: over again just for their cameras try. But I think
Speaker 6: again there are they are such primal human beings that
Speaker 6: when they're together, she knows that he knows that nothing
Speaker 6: can go on, nothing can happen. And once she is
Speaker 6: away from him, when the chaos ensues, where does she go?
Speaker 6: And I know that I know that Scott and Danielle
Speaker 6: haven't seen season seven, but season seven is is? That
Speaker 6: is that place? Season seven?
Speaker 2: Is that place?
Speaker 6: Until as we get into the As we get into
Speaker 6: the season.
Speaker 1: I think, I think I understand what you're saying. Maybe
Speaker 1: I'm not looking forward to seeing.
Speaker 3: That's what I was going to say.
Speaker 6: I'm not gonna yeah season Yeah, I have.
Speaker 3: Something for all three of you. So you know how
Speaker 3: like in life, you sort of have a traumatic event,
Speaker 3: right and part of you is always sort of frozen
Speaker 3: at that moment?
Speaker 2: Are both of them?
Speaker 3: Like we always talk about Christopher being so teenagery ish, right, Well,
Speaker 3: maybe Loralai has a lot of that in her too.
Speaker 3: She is like childlike in a lot of ways. And
Speaker 3: you know, they maybe the pregnancy and the birth like
Speaker 3: did have trauma for them, and in some ways it's
Speaker 3: why they're always sort of drawn back to each other
Speaker 3: just as teenagers. You know, that's very teenagery to run
Speaker 3: back to yours, right an adult. Yeah, yeah, Scott, you
Speaker 3: talked about that, that's right.
Speaker 6: I think she goes back to that. She goes back
Speaker 6: to that time as a teenager, no worries, don't have
Speaker 6: to pay bills, don't have my own business. She goes
Speaker 6: back to that spot immediately when she's with Christopher, and
Speaker 6: he allows it, right, he opens up and he allows
Speaker 6: the fact that she could come back to him, where
Speaker 6: Luke would be like you're a grown ass woman, pulla
Speaker 6: bridges up, and.
Speaker 4: You know, kind of still lives in that immaturity like
Speaker 4: he didn't have to immediately like Laura I did. And
Speaker 4: I think when he when Gigi came along, is kind
Speaker 4: of where he grew up a little bit. He suddenly
Speaker 4: had that that single parent responsibility that has had for
Speaker 4: you know, twenty years now. So I think that's why
Speaker 4: he is always like wanting her to come back in
Speaker 4: because he's just still living in that.
Speaker 6: Agreed agreed and he even with Gigi he still had
Speaker 6: all that child like I can't say no, you know,
Speaker 6: all of that stuff. I can't say no to her.
Speaker 6: And then then he when he tries to connect with Rory,
Speaker 6: there is that he doesn't understand. Rory can see that
Speaker 6: he's still a child, like when he goes to his dorm,
Speaker 6: when he goes to her dorm room, or he goes
Speaker 6: to the apartment and he's like, we have to go
Speaker 6: out to breakfast. We have to do this, we have
Speaker 6: do that, and she's like, no.
Speaker 3: Right, and he's all about he loves Logan. He grew
Speaker 3: up a little bit with Sherry, like she got you know,
Speaker 3: whether right or wrong, good, bad, He got that job,
Speaker 3: got the haircut, he's sort of buttoned up, got a
Speaker 3: Volvo or whatever it was right, and then he had
Speaker 3: to grow up a bit when she just bails, which
Speaker 3: is such a Christopher move.
Speaker 6: But you notice he grew up. And then Lorelai, I
Speaker 6: can't get her to stop crying.
Speaker 2: Can you do this?
Speaker 6: Can you come babysit? And what does she do? She
Speaker 6: runs right to him again, her safe place. It just
Speaker 6: it always goes back to Christopher being her safety net,
Speaker 6: her not. He doesn't criticizes her yeah, they fight, but
Speaker 6: they fight like siblings. If you've ever yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 6: they fight like siblings. They don't fight like a relationship couple.
Speaker 6: They fight like siblings. And I think that's what teenagers. Yes, yes,
Speaker 6: and Laura l I. I think she uses that to
Speaker 6: her advantage, and Christopher certainly does because Christopher knows he's
Speaker 6: getting some Laura like tail whenever she comes over.
Speaker 1: He knows that she's just say, Laurel, I tail.
Speaker 3: I remember when you called it the bad thing. I
Speaker 3: was calling it the bad thing.
Speaker 1: I call it the bad thing, Laurel I tale every
Speaker 1: time she cuts off.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, Linda, you're funny. How are you feeling about.
Speaker 6: About Scott? Thank you?
Speaker 3: Season seven? Like, what what advice do you We made
Speaker 3: Danielle go away because we're afraid of spoilers, but what
Speaker 3: advice do you stop? For season seven?
Speaker 6: Strap In? It's going to be a bumpy ride, that's all.
Speaker 6: That's all I'm gonna say is strap In, it's going
Speaker 6: to be a bumpy ride. Yeah. But but yeah, I
Speaker 6: think you know, he's her soft place to land. Yeah,
Speaker 6: and he let and he and he lets it happen.
Speaker 2: He likes it. Yeah, of course he does.
Speaker 6: Yeah, of course he does. There's no there's no denying that.
Speaker 6: But like I said, season seven, just strap in. But actually,
Speaker 6: I mean my daughter and I started watching Gilmore Girls
Speaker 6: the minute it came on when she was a teenager.
Speaker 6: She's thirty five now, and now we've gotten both of
Speaker 6: our husbands to watch. We watch on Netflix, and both
Speaker 6: of our husbands like, because my daughter, his name is
Speaker 6: Nina and she's my own, she's our only child. So
Speaker 6: she and I called each other Laurea Ian Rory all
Speaker 6: through her growing up.
Speaker 3: That's so good.
Speaker 6: Yeah, we do it. We still do it now. People
Speaker 6: are like what we're like, never mind, But our husbands
Speaker 6: now are like, we'll sit there and we'll watch and
Speaker 6: we'll repeat lines and we'll say lines, and they look
Speaker 6: at us like, would you girls, fuley shut up or
Speaker 6: go in the other room think of Gilmour Girls. My
Speaker 6: husband wasn't a fan at first, but now he is
Speaker 6: really into it. And he likes Luke. He says, I
Speaker 6: like Luke. Luke's a stand up guy. He does not
Speaker 6: like Christopher. He thinks Christopher is a slimy worm, but
Speaker 6: he is. Sometimes he likes Jess and sometimes he likes Logan.
Speaker 6: He's not a big Dean fan, but he he fluctuates
Speaker 6: between Jess and Logan. That's that's that's his fluctuation between
Speaker 6: Jess and Logan. And I'm not sure of my son
Speaker 6: in law. I'm not really who do I like.
Speaker 3: For Yeah, it's between Jess.
Speaker 6: I like Logan in her college years, but I like
Speaker 6: Jess as an adult, not so much as a teenager,
Speaker 6: because I unfortunately dated a Jess many many Yes, Luke
Speaker 6: and I are of the same age. I mean, Scott
Speaker 6: and I are the same age, and I dated a
Speaker 6: Jess and it did not end well, let's just say
Speaker 6: so I have when I see Jess, it brings up
Speaker 6: a lot of Oh, yeah, I know where this is going.
Speaker 6: I'm more of a I'm more of a Logan.
Speaker 3: I'm a Logan fan. Although when we get to the movies,
Speaker 3: there's a whole there's gonna be so many discussions because
Speaker 3: Logan and y are a mess in the movie.
Speaker 6: I think I not who gives Scott any spoilers on
Speaker 6: the movies, but I don't think they did Logan and
Speaker 6: Rory justice.
Speaker 3: And I agree with you, Yeah, I think somewhere Scott
Speaker 3: might agree to.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't think they did them. I don't think
Speaker 6: they did them justice. But see I married my Logan,
Speaker 6: so I'm.
Speaker 3: All good, Oh that's so cute. Yeah, they did Jess.
Speaker 3: They did Jess right multiple times. Yeah, they they really
Speaker 3: make him turn out great.
Speaker 6: Oh I think Jess as an adult. Rory should have
Speaker 6: gone with Jess as an adult because he pulled a
Speaker 6: lot more out of her intellectually than I think Logan did.
Speaker 3: He's a stand up guy. He's he's Luke, yes.
Speaker 6: Oh absolutely, he is a He is a mini me
Speaker 6: Luke for sure. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean we kind of know that Luke as a
Speaker 3: teenager had some Jess tent Like Luke wasn't perfect that
Speaker 3: probably as a teenager, and we kind of know that
Speaker 3: a little bit. So anyway, Linda, you must say hi
Speaker 3: for us.
Speaker 6: Oh, I certainly will. I told her yesterday that I
Speaker 6: was going to be on the podcast and she was
Speaker 6: all jealous and like, I can't believe you're gonna do that.
Speaker 6: I'm like, yes, I'm gonna get to talk to my
Speaker 6: my Scott Patterson. I'm so excited.
Speaker 3: Say something swoony, Scott, say.
Speaker 6: Something swoony, Say something swoony, say something to look like
Speaker 6: Linda in a different time and place maybe maybe. Oh yes, absolutely.
Speaker 6: And by the way, Sullivan's Crossing Rocks. Oh, thank you,
Speaker 6: yes it absolutely. I grew up my summers in Canada,
Speaker 6: so oh dig you yes, yes, grew up in Ontario.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 6: So but Sullivan's Crossing Rocks. I can't wait till April
Speaker 6: when season two comes out.
Speaker 1: That's right, Yeah, they're gonna. I'm doing the ad R
Speaker 1: on season one right now.
Speaker 6: I'm very excited because season one was definitely emotion season two.
Speaker 1: But by the way, the show looks a lot better now.
Speaker 1: Oh really, okay, yeah, it looks like it kind of
Speaker 1: looks like a film. It looks like movies. It's it's
Speaker 1: really they I don't know what they did. It's just wild,
Speaker 1: but it just looks a season.
Speaker 3: Season two hasn't not aired in Canada yet, right, no?
Speaker 1: Soon?
Speaker 3: Oh wow?
Speaker 6: Okay, So if Scott Patterson is on the TV, it's
Speaker 6: on my house much.
Speaker 3: Wait, Scott, is it Soft four, which I can't see.
Speaker 6: I can't see it.
Speaker 1: Are we bringing that into the.
Speaker 3: No, I can't.
Speaker 6: See any of those. I can only see I can
Speaker 6: only see Scott. I can't see those movies. I'm not
Speaker 6: I'm not that kind of movie person.
Speaker 1: So oh my gosh, what does your husband say when
Speaker 1: when when I'm on TV?
Speaker 6: Oh, He's like, oh my god, your boyfriend's on TV again.
Speaker 6: I'm like, yuess, I have it on. I mean I've
Speaker 6: watched Gilmore Girls so much, and it was on at
Speaker 6: Thanksgiving when they put it on up and it's on
Speaker 6: for that whole week. It's on constantly. I never turn
Speaker 6: it off. And he's like, is your boyfriend on the
Speaker 6: TV again? I'm like, yes, go away.
Speaker 3: I get Linda out of ten like Apple.
Speaker 6: Pies, but oh my gosh, you guys are out of ten.
Speaker 6: I listened to your podcast all. I mean, I'm caught up.
Speaker 6: I listen to it every night as much as possible.
Speaker 6: Whenever it's on, I'm listener.
Speaker 1: Are you what part of the country I.
Speaker 6: Live in, South Georgia, Valdosta?
Speaker 1: How are you in Valdosta? Okay? Yeah?
Speaker 6: Which is near Moody Air Force Base.
Speaker 1: Okay cool.
Speaker 6: So, like I was telling Amy earlier, my my daughter
Speaker 6: decided to go to school down here and find her
Speaker 6: husband and start procreating. So my husband and I lived
Speaker 6: in Atlanta for thirty something years and I said bye,
Speaker 6: So you gotta go be with the grandson.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 6: And I know my grandson is I also relate Scott
Speaker 6: because my grandson is the age of your son. He's nine.
Speaker 6: Oh really, yes he's not. And actually we have a
Speaker 6: he calls me because my husband's Sicilian and so we
Speaker 6: haven't known a gab that his name's Gavin. We haven't
Speaker 6: known a Gavin. Date tomorrow.
Speaker 1: Oh that is very nice.
Speaker 6: Yeah, we're dressing up. He's taking me to dinner.
Speaker 2: That is so cute.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so well, listen best your husband.
Speaker 6: Thank you, thank you very much.
Speaker 1: He sounds like a solid dude.
Speaker 2: He is.
Speaker 6: We've been together for we've been married for forty years.
Speaker 6: Whoa and we've been together for forty four.
Speaker 3: Wow, it's so great.
Speaker 6: So yeah, we're lifers, as they say, we're lifers. But
Speaker 6: it was wonderful talking to y'all. Good talking to Thank you.
Speaker 6: You have a wonderful afternoon and evening. And I hope
Speaker 6: the California snow doesn't get you, Tony.
Speaker 1: Now, I'm in southern California. I think Amy's in northern
Speaker 1: California here.
Speaker 3: I like, went outside a sweatshirt and I don't even
Speaker 3: need a sweatshirt that.
Speaker 1: You got like ten feet a snow to deal with,
Speaker 1: don't you.
Speaker 3: I'm going up to Tahoe next weekend.
Speaker 6: So thank y'all, thanks so much, thank you.
Speaker 1: All right, it is a pleasure.
Speaker 2: There.
Speaker 1: He is Tyler Conray, Ladies and gentlemen, only Tyler from
Speaker 1: Instagram fame there as we got him. Everybody wants them.
Speaker 1: How you doing, Bud, I'm doing so good.
Speaker 3: This is Oh my god, you're so cute Tyler.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 3: Wait, we need to explain for people that are just listening.
Speaker 3: So Tyler is watching Gilmore Girls and you know, films
Speaker 3: himself shoots himself watching and the ending he just I
Speaker 3: know you've gone past it now, but your video of
Speaker 3: you watching season six went fully viral because Tyler didn't
Speaker 3: love the ending.
Speaker 7: I just I wasn't happy she was reverting back like
Speaker 7: she was going back and I felt like she was
Speaker 7: going back in time and Rory was kind of maturing.
Speaker 7: And I don't know if that was the writers on
Speaker 7: that to have them like mature in the opposite direction.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good take. We haven't talked about that.
Speaker 3: That's a good take.
Speaker 7: Valentine's episode about the vineyard like her and Logan are
Speaker 7: so mature and Luke looked like they're a high school couple, Like.
Speaker 2: Not right, So were you shocked?
Speaker 6: Oh?
Speaker 7: I was gagged. I was absolutely gagged. I was just
Speaker 7: I love Luke and Laura. I was so happy at
Speaker 7: the end of season five when she was like, Luke,
Speaker 7: will you marry me? Like that was actually my first
Speaker 7: reaction that I posted. My friend Trudy was like I
Speaker 7: told her I was watching for the first time, and
Speaker 7: she was like, Okay, these are the episodes I need
Speaker 7: you to film just because I want to see your reaction.
Speaker 7: She was like, and five the end of season six
Speaker 7: and the end of season seven, and I was like, okay,
Speaker 7: and then she was like, you should absolutely post this,
Speaker 7: And now it has almost like three million views the
Speaker 7: end of season seven one I think also almost has
Speaker 7: uh or end of season the year in the life.
Speaker 3: So I'm not, oh, yeah, we aren't there yet because
Speaker 3: we're protecting Danielle from knowing what happens. But so good, no, no, no,
Speaker 3: you're fine, You're fine. So I don't know. Maybe I
Speaker 3: would love to just hear your thoughts on season six
Speaker 3: and the ending and just sort of you can just
Speaker 3: talk to us.
Speaker 7: I mean season six. I we know Luke doesn't like
Speaker 7: to be like sprung on like he does. That's not
Speaker 7: his energy. He doesn't know what to do. Loralai comes
Speaker 7: in like a wrecking ball during like rush hour at
Speaker 7: the diner and is like ultimatum now, and it's just
Speaker 7: like like I know why she did it because she
Speaker 7: had been pushed by Emily. She had been pushed by
Speaker 7: April's mother to be like, I don't want you on
Speaker 7: my daughter unless you're married. But I also wanted Laurala
Speaker 7: to just enjoy being engaged to Luke, like, enjoy that time.
Speaker 7: If June wasn't gonna work, he was, he was so
Speaker 7: like in the Valentine's Day episode, he was all like
Speaker 7: you know, yes, like, well, let's pick a date. If
Speaker 7: having a date makes you feel better, then let's talk
Speaker 7: about it, like maybe it's not June third, but and
Speaker 7: then enjoy being engaged and enjoy like Luke discovering himself
Speaker 7: with April and discovering being a father him never happened
Speaker 7: really that moment before.
Speaker 1: Right, Why isn't she happy for him?
Speaker 3: I agree?
Speaker 1: Why isn't she supportive for him? He's got it? Exactly? Good?
Speaker 1: Great point.
Speaker 7: Great point, and so I get like she was definitely
Speaker 7: feeling pressure from everything else. And then poor Lane's wedding.
Speaker 2: Out.
Speaker 7: Actually, oh god, oh my god, how can you block
Speaker 7: that out? Also, missus Kim is truly one of my
Speaker 7: favorites in the entire series, like in season six when
Speaker 7: she makes Zach write a song before you get from.
Speaker 3: A hit and it had to be a hit.
Speaker 7: Ionic, so iconic and just like go missus Kim, love
Speaker 7: love her one of my favorite characters on the show. Yeah,
Speaker 7: and I Lorlai could have gone to anybody, right, But
Speaker 7: I do think they said, you guys talked about this
Speaker 7: last week on the podcast, they did set it up
Speaker 7: really well where you saw that Lourlai kind of was
Speaker 7: disconnected from her normal crew. She can't relate to Sochi
Speaker 7: anymore because she has that whole family life now and
Speaker 7: she can't really relate to that and so and Soukie
Speaker 7: doesn't really get what's going on with her. She's like no,
Speaker 7: she won't say anything, like I can't get her to
Speaker 7: open up, and she can't talk to her mother. You know,
Speaker 7: her mother is really not team Luke. And the episode
Speaker 7: where her mom gets high surgery iconic. I made my
Speaker 7: mom watch the series after I finished it, and she
Speaker 7: was like, do you think I'm like Emily, like is
Speaker 7: that why you want me to watch this? And I'm like, well,
Speaker 7: like sometimes I see you and Emily, and sometimes I
Speaker 7: see like your mom to you and Emily. So I
Speaker 7: just thought, you know, but so I get anybody to
Speaker 7: go to. But she could have gone to Luke, like
Speaker 7: she could have gone back, and I'm like, I'm sorry,
Speaker 7: I could have just gone home. I get what she
Speaker 7: want to be alone. She just got Planka. She's got
Speaker 7: a dog, go to your little dog Palka instead of
Speaker 7: Christopher and a stupid buzz cut in his toxic relationship
Speaker 7: with him, and like.
Speaker 4: A dog would be preferable.
Speaker 7: Absolutely, go to Dean. Know, Dean loves cheating. I think
Speaker 7: I would have been less mad if it was anybody
Speaker 7: but christ.
Speaker 2: Show.
Speaker 7: Dean stuck on for season seven, Like that's that's a
Speaker 7: show right there.
Speaker 3: I made it. I'm the only one on planet Earth
Speaker 3: that was like, this is exactly what she would do, exactly.
Speaker 7: You're right, because they were really reverting her, like I said, like,
Speaker 7: it felt like the writers were reverting her maturity. You're
Speaker 7: watching Rory mature and to an adult, and you're watching
Speaker 7: LAURAAI kind of like descend maturity level.
Speaker 3: So like it.
Speaker 7: Yeah, like Rory also kind of did the same thing,
Speaker 7: like she slept with with Dean while he was married,
Speaker 7: and so they kind of gave that to Laura I,
Speaker 7: and they're kind of like shifting their maturity pass.
Speaker 3: I agree with that. We didn't really address that, but
Speaker 3: I we did talk about how it's one of the
Speaker 3: most amazing sort of Rory Logan moments, and you're right
Speaker 3: in that it's because they are making the hard choice
Speaker 3: because it's the best choice in that moment for Logan,
Speaker 3: and so Rory is sacrificing herself for Logan to go
Speaker 3: do what he needs to do. And I would have
Speaker 3: liked to see or Lie sacrifice herself to allow Luke
Speaker 3: to do what he needed to do.
Speaker 4: That's what she was doing the whole time, though. That's
Speaker 4: I think that's what I'm not connecting with.
Speaker 3: You, because she never really is. She's all but hurt
Speaker 3: all the time, even though she's not expressing it.
Speaker 4: I disagree. I I disagree she looking around. She did
Speaker 4: everything Luke wanted her to do, but but she wanted
Speaker 4: her to stay away and stay in the background, and
Speaker 4: she did.
Speaker 3: But she wasn't doing it. So here there's a difference.
Speaker 3: It's I always say it like this, there's playing hard
Speaker 3: to get and there's being hard to get. So so
Speaker 3: in those same terms, she was doing it, but not
Speaker 3: she wasn't doing it. Truly, she's upset about it, she's
Speaker 3: bummed about it. She's not doing it all truistically for him.
Speaker 3: She's doing it because he told her to. She should
Speaker 3: have done it because it was what he needed. I mean,
Speaker 3: you don't have degree.
Speaker 2: I see you know your face.
Speaker 4: I don't agree.
Speaker 3: You don't have to. That's the beauty of it. We
Speaker 3: don't have to agree to both. It doesn't make one
Speaker 3: of us right or wrong. I think Loralai could have
Speaker 3: been more supportive of supportive of Luke and this major.
Speaker 4: How would she like, what should she have done that
Speaker 4: would be more supportive, so instead of.
Speaker 3: Just staying away, she would understand.
Speaker 1: People like an out of control, impulsive teenager.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 4: When did she do that other than those last episode?
Speaker 3: He just did it, thank you, Tyler. Tyler agrees no,
Speaker 3: but because she's been doing it all along. First of all,
Speaker 3: it's very teenagery to make up a staff meeting and
Speaker 3: hide in your bedroom and have miss Patty lie and
Speaker 3: say you're not home. That's like insane. That to me
Speaker 3: was where I was like, Oh, she's gone, wait what Tyler,
Speaker 3: she's taking like at exactly that teenager too and getting
Speaker 3: up there and making that embarrassing toast and being so unhinged.
Speaker 3: The other thing is she's doing it, but she's not
Speaker 3: doing it for the right reasons. And I know, I
Speaker 3: say sound like I'm on the Bachelor, but it's like,
Speaker 3: if she truly supported Luke and really was in it
Speaker 3: with him, she would have had no issue giving him
Speaker 3: that space. She wouldn't if she really understood this is
Speaker 3: a life changing thing that has just happened to him.
Speaker 3: I need to sacrifice my own needs and wants and
Speaker 3: give him the time. And he never indicated he didn't
Speaker 3: love her and that the wedding wasn't happening. She made
Speaker 3: that up in her head, in my opinion, allegedly. Okay,
Speaker 3: but but then say what you think, Say what you think.
Speaker 4: I think that she was doing I think by how
Speaker 4: do I phrase it, like, by staying in the background
Speaker 4: because Luke wanted her to. That's how she was supporting him.
Speaker 4: She never pressured Luke to say, like let me meet April,
Speaker 4: let me hang out with you guys, like let's all
Speaker 4: be friends, like she she was. That's how she was
Speaker 4: trying to support him was by following his wishes. And
Speaker 4: I agree with that.
Speaker 3: But the reason she exploded is because she wasn't doing
Speaker 3: it from her heart. She was doing it because he
Speaker 3: told her to. If she was doing it truly like selfish,
Speaker 3: selflessly unconditional love for him, there would be no reason
Speaker 3: to have an ultimatum or explode because she would be
Speaker 3: so like, he needs time, and I'm good with it
Speaker 3: because I know we're going to get married. She's just
Speaker 3: totally gone insecure because if she truly.
Speaker 1: Believes so is so this here we go again. We
Speaker 1: are forcing who's forcing behaviors on characters to so that
Speaker 1: they are acting unlike characters that they've long established, Right?
Speaker 3: Is confident?
Speaker 1: Are you recognizing Luke? Are you recognizing Laurel I? In
Speaker 1: these scenes? Do they seem like they are Luke and
Speaker 1: Laurel I? Do they seem like they are these people
Speaker 1: that something has been imposed upon them somewhat?
Speaker 3: They seem like themselves?
Speaker 7: Tyler, go ahead, Oh, I was just I fully agree
Speaker 7: with like Lorelai, just there were like you see little
Speaker 7: moments like you see her when she gets to like
Speaker 7: be a part of April's life and she's so excited,
Speaker 7: and then April's mom is like, no, like I need
Speaker 7: someone who's committed. I need to know someone's committed. So
Speaker 7: in Laura's mind, she's making up the false reality that
Speaker 7: because she's not married, that she's not committed. So she
Speaker 7: wants to be a part of April. She liked having
Speaker 7: that and now she's not gonna be able to have
Speaker 7: that unless she's married. She wants to get married now,
Speaker 7: and she's but it is very like childish, like I think,
Speaker 7: like Scott, like you said, like she she's just acting.
Speaker 7: She's acting the mature and she's acting impulsively instead of
Speaker 7: listening to her partner like a mature adult who made
Speaker 7: post to therapy like you think.
Speaker 3: Because I agree with you, Tyler, I agree with you.
Speaker 3: He told her we're gonna get married and we can
Speaker 3: have lobster at the wedding. He's never indicated to her
Speaker 3: they're not going to get married.
Speaker 4: But actions speak louder than words. I tell my kids
Speaker 4: that all the time. It's like you say you're going
Speaker 4: to wash the dishes, but I know you're not going
Speaker 4: to wash the dishes until you actually go wash the dishes.
Speaker 4: I'm going to change the topic because Tyler, you said
Speaker 4: something like ten minutes ago that I like latched onto
Speaker 4: and you made a comment about Dean and Rory, and
Speaker 4: I realized there's a parallel. If you think about that
Speaker 4: disaster date where Rory was in the bar with the
Speaker 4: guy that Emily set her up with. Yeah, Paul's Dean, right.
Speaker 3: She didn't have to call Dean.
Speaker 2: She could have.
Speaker 4: Called any other number of people. She could have called
Speaker 4: me grandmother and be like, you know, you set me
Speaker 4: up with a drunk driver, did you know that?
Speaker 3: And that completely.
Speaker 4: Parallels what could have been anywhere. She didn't have to
Speaker 4: go to Christopher's house. She could have anyways. I just
Speaker 4: hadn't thought of that great note. So I just had
Speaker 4: a great call out.
Speaker 3: And we did at the time say why did she
Speaker 3: call Dean?
Speaker 6: Right?
Speaker 4: And you know, it's like Amy's writing Amy Sherman Palladino
Speaker 4: is It's very big on the you know, the full circle.
Speaker 4: And so there's so many parallels between Loral and Rory
Speaker 4: and that was one that I had never even caught
Speaker 4: before until you mentioned that.
Speaker 3: So that's a good note. That's so true, like mother
Speaker 3: like daughter.
Speaker 7: Exactly, And because the next day, Roy's like, look, that's
Speaker 7: just like my Dean, like he didn't cheat because he's not.
Speaker 7: I'm not wrecking my Dean. And I feel like Laura
Speaker 7: is the same impression, like is also that's one of
Speaker 7: my favorite lines from the show. And Gg's like, I
Speaker 7: also don't sleep in my night gown when I'm sick,
Speaker 7: like's gonna wake up and be like, oh well, like
Speaker 7: that was just like my Christopher, Like that means nothing.
Speaker 7: I'm gonna go marry Luke now and still be with Luke,
Speaker 7: and he's gonna he's gonna think this is so funny.
Speaker 3: Ha ha. It's a lot. I mean it's a lot,
Speaker 3: like we saw it in Tyler's reaction. It's a lot.
Speaker 7: Because after season five, I'm like, yes, I've been waiting
Speaker 7: five seasons for this to happen, for like Luke and
Speaker 7: Laurili to get together, to have this like beautiful life together,
Speaker 7: and then Laura I just really took a turn. I
Speaker 7: don't know if it was like Rory joining the you know,
Speaker 7: the d A R and then right. But also she
Speaker 7: was maturing, and I think she was maturing past Lurla
Speaker 7: and LAURAAI didn't know what to do with that. She
Speaker 7: was like, no, I want like a teenager, Like I
Speaker 7: want that, like I'm healing my owner child through my
Speaker 7: own teenage daughter. And now she's maturing, and now what
Speaker 7: do I do. I've never got She's still stuck. That
Speaker 7: we talked about that she's sort of stuck. I don't know, Susanne.
Speaker 3: I am interested in your take if you see that
Speaker 3: Lurla I imploded throughout the season. Or is it because
Speaker 3: Luke wasn't leveling up to where she needed him to be.
Speaker 2: I think he.
Speaker 4: I think she just she just was worn down, like
Speaker 4: she thought she was doing the right thing by staying
Speaker 4: back because Luke wanted her to. But she said herself
Speaker 4: in that last episode, She's like, you know, I feel
Speaker 4: crappy all the time. You know, she just she just
Speaker 4: knew that it didn't feel right, and so I forgot.
Speaker 3: No, that was a good answer. It totally Look I'm
Speaker 3: going way deep now and I'll let everybody go.
Speaker 1: But maybe she was just feeling like she couldn't control
Speaker 1: the situation. So I have a lot of anxiety in
Speaker 1: her because she's used to controlling all these subject and.
Speaker 3: That's right, Scott. I think she's making herself feel how
Speaker 3: she's feeling. No one's doing it to her. She's kind
Speaker 3: of what Tyler said, sort of creating it in her
Speaker 3: own mind. I do think she's making matters worse for
Speaker 3: herself rather than just being confident and saying, yes, this
Speaker 3: is a giant hiccup, but we're gonna be good.
Speaker 1: Susanne, how do you feel about that?
Speaker 4: I mean, I think Luke could have helped. I mean,
Speaker 4: Luke could have been more reassuring.
Speaker 3: And I don't know if anybody knows who, If anybody
Speaker 3: Abraham Hicks, Tyler, do you know who Abraham Hicks is? No,
Speaker 3: you guys all got a YouTube it because basically this
Speaker 3: so she's sort of like a therapy guru, and her
Speaker 3: whole thing would be Lorelai is doing this to herself.
Speaker 3: It's not Luke doing it to her that she's creating
Speaker 3: sort of this. She's making it worse for herself in
Speaker 3: her own mind.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: So the people I'm gonna get a one hundred thousand
Speaker 3: mean emails.
Speaker 1: Don't need them, don't I need them?
Speaker 7: That Loralai exactly. She was getting hurt by false realities
Speaker 7: that she was making up in her head, which is
Speaker 7: a very sure thing to do in somebody who has
Speaker 7: not done the growth or personal work and is secure
Speaker 7: in themselves.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I agree.
Speaker 4: I think I made this point earlier when we had
Speaker 4: a different caller on the whole. I don't blame Lorelai
Speaker 4: for being insecure because this whole thing started with Luke
Speaker 4: withholding information from her, and when she found out that
Speaker 4: he had known about April for two months and didn't
Speaker 4: tell her, I can see how that would feel like
Speaker 4: a betrayal, and so I can say that was the
Speaker 4: seed of insecurity in her mind. That Okay, if he
Speaker 4: didn't think I was important enough to share that information with,
Speaker 4: he's checking out, and.
Speaker 1: Then it's it's like a domino.
Speaker 3: That's a fair point. That's a fair point. He that's
Speaker 3: a fair point. I'm going to totally agree with you
Speaker 3: there that had he handled that initial thing different, now,
Speaker 3: I don't totally fault him. I get it it was
Speaker 3: overwhelming and he was terrified, right, But you're right, I
Speaker 3: do think that started, like Scott said, a domino effect.
Speaker 3: It was a it was just a train wreck from there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it just it looks fault. Just blame the guy.
Speaker 1: Just always blame the guy. He can take it by
Speaker 1: the dude, I'm trying to see take the shots. But
Speaker 1: he did it his way.
Speaker 4: I've tried so hard for the Hire show. If you
Speaker 4: think about all the relationships, the entire show is founded
Speaker 4: on a lack of communication. Every single pair of people,
Speaker 4: except maybe like Marian bad Bet suffers from a lack
Speaker 4: of communication at some point, like Suki, Richard and Emily.
Speaker 4: All of them suffer from that. It's just a recurring
Speaker 4: theme everywhere.
Speaker 1: Well, it's a recurring theme in relationships.
Speaker 3: That's why I always say it's a Three's Company episode.
Speaker 1: There you go about the.
Speaker 3: Miscommunication, right, Oh, Tyler, thank you for joining us for
Speaker 3: our therapy Gilmore Girls therapy today.
Speaker 7: Oh my gosh, thank you all so much. I've loved
Speaker 7: this is this is so surreal to me, especially because
Speaker 7: I truly just started watching this at like Thanksgiving.
Speaker 3: So the fact that jam and dude, you've watched the
Speaker 3: movies now, right.
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, I've watched you watched everything even faster than me.
Speaker 7: She's retired and so that's why she was like, what
Speaker 7: do I what do I watch now? I'm like, Gilmore girls.
Speaker 1: Where where are you? What part of the country you
Speaker 1: I'm in New York City? Okay, all right, Suzanne.
Speaker 3: I do think we need to tell people that we
Speaker 3: genuinely like each other, because you, yes, we like each
Speaker 3: other like so much.
Speaker 1: Oh they do. It's disgusting.
Speaker 3: We have to separate them like you can make we
Speaker 3: can disagree, but we like totally love show.
Speaker 1: We have to encourage them to mingle with other people.
Speaker 4: When we have the live podcast event and we saw
Speaker 4: each other, it was like big hugs, totally.
Speaker 3: And it's look if we agreed all the time, what's
Speaker 3: fun about that?
Speaker 1: It's like, but Amy and I don't get along. No,
Speaker 1: we That's it's like I see her coming, I run
Speaker 1: the other way.
Speaker 3: That's why I can't remember. I'm like, was that on
Speaker 3: the air? Was that just one of our phone calls?
Speaker 3: I think people don't realize, like we talk about this
Speaker 3: show on the air, off the air context on the weekends.
Speaker 3: Just like again, anyway, welcome to the mess, Tyler, honor
Speaker 3: to be here.
Speaker 2: Thank you all so much.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have a feeling we're going to be seeing
Speaker 1: you again for sure. I just have a feeling. I
Speaker 1: have a feeling somehow going to be a part of this,
Speaker 1: somehow away. Thanks keep making those great videos. You're awesome
Speaker 1: and appreciate the time.
Speaker 3: Thank you very much.
Speaker 4: Thanks, take care, good talking to you.
Speaker 1: Good men, your body, take care.
Speaker 3: It wouldn't be up I Am All In Podcast if
Speaker 3: there wasn't a brawl.
Speaker 1: Oh god, I was gonna wrap it up kids. Thanks
Speaker 1: for everybody called in. We had a blast. Love you guys.
Speaker 1: We're going to do this again. I really enjoyed it.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Susanne, Thank you Amy, and we will see
Speaker 1: you next time. Stay safe everywhere dot Hey, everybody to forget.
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