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Speaker 2: You.

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Speaker 3: I am all in with Scott Patterson, an iHeartRadio podcast.

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Speaker 1: Hey everybody, Scott Patterson, I I'm all in podcast. This

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Speaker 1: is going to be part two of The Collins the

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Speaker 1: season six wrap up, Q and A, Carol and High.

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Speaker 1: How are you doing? You're what part of us? Are

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Speaker 1: you in Melbourne?

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Speaker 2: No, I'm in Adelaide? Okay?

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Speaker 3: And what time is it? Is it tomorrow?

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Speaker 2: It's tomorrow, it's ten am.

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Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, gosh, it's three thirty pm in Californias.

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Speaker 3: I just I'm so bad. But it makes me think

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Speaker 3: of Dumb.

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Speaker 1: And Dummer Friday Friday morning.

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Speaker 3: Do you guys know? You know in Dumb and Dummer

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Speaker 3: and he's like, put on all the shrimp on the mom.

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Speaker 2: Say that.

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Speaker 3: I Oh, that's why it's so dumb and that and dumber.

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Speaker 1: It's so great.

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Speaker 2: It's a good good movie, good movie.

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Speaker 4: Oh everything.

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Speaker 1: Are you a big fan? You're a big Gilmour.

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Speaker 2: Fan of course? Of course.

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Speaker 1: How many times have you seen the show?

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Speaker 5: I probably watched it once a year from maybe sixteen

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Speaker 5: years old and I'm thirty five now, so however many

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Speaker 5: times that is?

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Speaker 2: Now?

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Speaker 3: When did it first? Have you? Obviously you're born and

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Speaker 3: raised in Australia. When did you first get it?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 1: When did Australia get it?

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure.

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Speaker 5: I think I think i'd heard about it and it

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Speaker 5: sounded like my kind of thing, and I bought the

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Speaker 5: fourth season, so I think I actually started with the

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Speaker 5: fourth season and then went back.

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Speaker 2: DVD. Yes, oh wow, that.

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Speaker 3: Would be weird to start in season four.

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Speaker 2: It's a good season, so it was fine.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, oh my god, but what if you think of

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Speaker 3: Susan's sucks?

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Speaker 2: It has some really excellent bits.

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Speaker 5: I don't love everything, but it's still really good quality television.

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Speaker 5: And that last episode with I think is that the

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Speaker 5: last episode with all the troubadours?

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Speaker 2: And yep, that's so good.

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Speaker 5: It's so fun, really good cameos from some amazing musicians.

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Speaker 2: So I had a good time with that one.

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Speaker 1: Good.

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Speaker 3: But how did you feel about the ending when she

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Speaker 3: goes to Christopher?

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Speaker 2: I mean, not great. Don't feel great about that one.

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Speaker 2: I think that was a choice.

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Speaker 3: How do you feel about Christopher? I'm still trying to

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Speaker 3: find one human being that does not dislike it.

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Speaker 1: It's not You're the only one, Amy, You're the only one.

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Speaker 5: I'm so sorry, Amy, look, I think I think he's

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Speaker 1: That's being generous, very generous.

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Speaker 5: I'm trying to be nice to Amy.

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Speaker 2: I don't love I don't love Christopher.

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Speaker 3: No, what's your take on why she runs back to him?

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Speaker 2: That kind of ties into my question a little bit

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Speaker 2: to me, what is your question? Okay? I wrote it

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Speaker 5: So so in terms of loot character development as well

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Speaker 1: Yes, I do. I do. That's an excellent question, and

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Speaker 1: here it goes. I think it's really important for from

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Speaker 1: a writing perspective, to a character emanates, I'm sorry, plot

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Speaker 1: when things start getting plotty, then that, yes, that's a criticism,

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Speaker 1: and that means you're imposing on these characters behaviors that

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Speaker 1: that's I think what your question encapsulates I think that's

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Speaker 2: Just don't believe that he wouldn't fight harder for her.

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Speaker 2: That's just my take.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's out of character.

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Speaker 3: That's a good take. I do agree with that, which

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Speaker 1: Right And I think we've tried to justify this, and

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Speaker 3: I also think Laureli could have given him more time,

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Speaker 3: A little bit of that is how I feel like,

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Speaker 3: He's repeatedly really made that clear in his Luke way.

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Speaker 3: I don't know. It's not a popular take, but it's mine.

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Speaker 1: But it is television. It's not film, right, it is television.

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Speaker 1: You need to have events, you need to have, you know,

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Speaker 1: story points. You need to hit them hard to keep

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Speaker 1: ratings like season six. It was right, and I think

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Speaker 2: It happens.

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Speaker 1: So here's what happens what television shows experience that are

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Speaker 1: that's when the studio steps in and starts imposing notes

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Speaker 1: we're not going to impose this on these characters. These

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Speaker 1: And a lot of creatives just sort of like, gosh,

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Speaker 2: That's all absolutely just a nature of it.

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Speaker 1: the creators and you go, guys, what's going on here?

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Speaker 1: Where are these notes coming from? Well, it's a network,

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Speaker 6: This brings them.

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Speaker 3: Not always, this brings up my question. Bring this brings

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Speaker 3: up my question, And Suzanne, I'd love for you to

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Speaker 3: I don't believe that because as like someone who produces shows,

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Speaker 3: right and Scott, you can weigh in and Carolyn, I

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Speaker 3: want to hear your take too. If this is your

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Speaker 3: can't work out your contract, I can't imagine ever intentionally

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Speaker 3: That's just my sort of thought question for you guys.

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Speaker 4: I think it kind of ties back to the question

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Speaker 4: I'm not saying for sure that that's what happened. I it.

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Speaker 4: It just wouldn't surprise me. I mean, I I get

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Speaker 1: Let me let me let me let me give you

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Speaker 3: Carolyn, enjoy a whole different day than we're in.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me.

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Speaker 2: Bye guys, bye.

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Speaker 3: Hi, hi hi. You're stuck with us only for a second.

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Speaker 3: Scott's coming back. But Linda, where are you?

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Speaker 6: Oh yes, yes, he's nine, so it doesn't matter.

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Speaker 3: It's so sweet. So Scott is going to come back,

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Speaker 6: Well, I don't hate Christopher either. And my take is

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Speaker 3: I think you're very accurate with that. He is her.

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Speaker 6: And Christopher love him or hate him, he wants Laura

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Speaker 3: You know you you just said something there Linda too

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Speaker 6: She has not been wanted to right. She does not

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Speaker 6: I'm not a now, I'm not a Christopher fan. I'm

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Speaker 6: It, he's they're but they're connected on not just the

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Speaker 3: And do you think they have chemistry? I do, but

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Speaker 2: That now, No, I don't.

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Speaker 6: Again, I don't think they have chemistry because they know

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Speaker 3: That's what I was going to say.

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Speaker 3: Something for all three of you. So you know how

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Speaker 6: to that time as a teenager, no worries, don't have

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Speaker 6: to pay bills, don't have my own business. She goes

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Speaker 6: back to that spot immediately when she's with Christopher, and

445
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Speaker 6: he allows it, right, he opens up and he allows

446
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:05,720
Speaker 6: the fact that she could come back to him, where

447
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:09,960
Speaker 6: Luke would be like you're a grown ass woman, pulla

448
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:12,880
Speaker 6: bridges up, and.

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Speaker 4: You know, kind of still lives in that immaturity like

450
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:21,479
Speaker 4: he didn't have to immediately like Laura I did. And

451
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Speaker 4: I think when he when Gigi came along, is kind

452
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Speaker 4: of where he grew up a little bit. He suddenly

453
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Speaker 4: had that that single parent responsibility that has had for

454
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Speaker 4: you know, twenty years now. So I think that's why

455
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:40,359
Speaker 4: he is always like wanting her to come back in

456
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Speaker 4: because he's just still living in that.

457
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Speaker 6: Agreed agreed and he even with Gigi he still had

458
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 6: all that child like I can't say no, you know,

459
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Speaker 6: all of that stuff. I can't say no to her.

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00:26:56,400 --> 00:27:01,840
Speaker 6: And then then he when he tries to connect with Rory,

461
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 6: there is that he doesn't understand. Rory can see that

462
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:08,919
Speaker 6: he's still a child, like when he goes to his dorm,

463
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:10,880
Speaker 6: when he goes to her dorm room, or he goes

464
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 6: to the apartment and he's like, we have to go

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00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 6: out to breakfast. We have to do this, we have

466
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:15,120
Speaker 6: do that, and she's like, no.

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Speaker 3: Right, and he's all about he loves Logan. He grew

468
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:22,479
Speaker 3: up a little bit with Sherry, like she got you know,

469
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 3: whether right or wrong, good, bad, He got that job,

470
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:29,119
Speaker 3: got the haircut, he's sort of buttoned up, got a

471
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:32,120
Speaker 3: Volvo or whatever it was right, and then he had

472
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 3: to grow up a bit when she just bails, which

473
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:36,359
Speaker 3: is such a Christopher move.

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Speaker 6: But you notice he grew up. And then Lorelai, I

475
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:42,919
Speaker 6: can't get her to stop crying.

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Speaker 2: Can you do this?

477
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Speaker 6: Can you come babysit? And what does she do? She

478
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 6: runs right to him again, her safe place. It just

479
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 6: it always goes back to Christopher being her safety net,

480
00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 6: her not. He doesn't criticizes her yeah, they fight, but

481
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:05,200
Speaker 6: they fight like siblings. If you've ever yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

482
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:10,720
Speaker 6: they fight like siblings. They don't fight like a relationship couple.

483
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:18,119
Speaker 6: They fight like siblings. And I think that's what teenagers. Yes, yes,

484
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:23,399
Speaker 6: and Laura l I. I think she uses that to

485
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Speaker 6: her advantage, and Christopher certainly does because Christopher knows he's

486
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 6: getting some Laura like tail whenever she comes over.

487
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:36,160
Speaker 1: He knows that she's just say, Laurel, I tail.

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Speaker 3: I remember when you called it the bad thing. I

489
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:41,600
Speaker 3: was calling it the bad thing.

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Speaker 1: I call it the bad thing, Laurel I tale every

491
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Speaker 1: time she cuts off.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, Linda, you're funny. How are you feeling about.

493
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 6: About Scott? Thank you?

494
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 3: Season seven? Like, what what advice do you We made

495
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 3: Danielle go away because we're afraid of spoilers, but what

496
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 3: advice do you stop? For season seven?

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Speaker 6: Strap In? It's going to be a bumpy ride, that's all.

498
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 6: That's all I'm gonna say is strap In, it's going

499
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 6: to be a bumpy ride. Yeah. But but yeah, I

500
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 6: think you know, he's her soft place to land. Yeah,

501
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 6: and he let and he and he lets it happen.

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Speaker 2: He likes it. Yeah, of course he does.

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00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:39,240
Speaker 6: Yeah, of course he does. There's no there's no denying that.

504
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 6: But like I said, season seven, just strap in. But actually,

505
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 6: I mean my daughter and I started watching Gilmore Girls

506
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 6: the minute it came on when she was a teenager.

507
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 6: She's thirty five now, and now we've gotten both of

508
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 6: our husbands to watch. We watch on Netflix, and both

509
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 6: of our husbands like, because my daughter, his name is

510
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 6: Nina and she's my own, she's our only child. So

511
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 6: she and I called each other Laurea Ian Rory all

512
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 6: through her growing up.

513
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Speaker 3: That's so good.

514
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, we do it. We still do it now. People

515
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 6: are like what we're like, never mind, But our husbands

516
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 6: now are like, we'll sit there and we'll watch and

517
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 6: we'll repeat lines and we'll say lines, and they look

518
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 6: at us like, would you girls, fuley shut up or

519
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 6: go in the other room think of Gilmour Girls. My

520
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 6: husband wasn't a fan at first, but now he is

521
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:34,239
Speaker 6: really into it. And he likes Luke. He says, I

522
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 6: like Luke. Luke's a stand up guy. He does not

523
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 6: like Christopher. He thinks Christopher is a slimy worm, but

524
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 6: he is. Sometimes he likes Jess and sometimes he likes Logan.

525
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:51,440
Speaker 6: He's not a big Dean fan, but he he fluctuates

526
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Speaker 6: between Jess and Logan. That's that's that's his fluctuation between

527
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:00,960
Speaker 6: Jess and Logan. And I'm not sure of my son

528
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 6: in law. I'm not really who do I like.

529
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 3: For Yeah, it's between Jess.

530
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 6: I like Logan in her college years, but I like

531
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 6: Jess as an adult, not so much as a teenager,

532
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 6: because I unfortunately dated a Jess many many Yes, Luke

533
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 6: and I are of the same age. I mean, Scott

534
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 6: and I are the same age, and I dated a

535
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 6: Jess and it did not end well, let's just say

536
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 6: so I have when I see Jess, it brings up

537
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:41,720
Speaker 6: a lot of Oh, yeah, I know where this is going.

538
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:44,960
Speaker 6: I'm more of a I'm more of a Logan.

539
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 3: I'm a Logan fan. Although when we get to the movies,

540
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 3: there's a whole there's gonna be so many discussions because

541
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 3: Logan and y are a mess in the movie.

542
00:31:55,720 --> 00:32:01,960
Speaker 6: I think I not who gives Scott any spoilers on

543
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:05,480
Speaker 6: the movies, but I don't think they did Logan and

544
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 6: Rory justice.

545
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 3: And I agree with you, Yeah, I think somewhere Scott

546
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 3: might agree to.

547
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't think they did them. I don't think

548
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 6: they did them justice. But see I married my Logan,

549
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 6: so I'm.

550
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 3: All good, Oh that's so cute. Yeah, they did Jess.

551
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 3: They did Jess right multiple times. Yeah, they they really

552
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 3: make him turn out great.

553
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 6: Oh I think Jess as an adult. Rory should have

554
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 6: gone with Jess as an adult because he pulled a

555
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 6: lot more out of her intellectually than I think Logan did.

556
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 3: He's a stand up guy. He's he's Luke, yes.

557
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 6: Oh absolutely, he is a He is a mini me

558
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 6: Luke for sure. Yeah.

559
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 3: I mean we kind of know that Luke as a

560
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 3: teenager had some Jess tent Like Luke wasn't perfect that

561
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 3: probably as a teenager, and we kind of know that

562
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 3: a little bit. So anyway, Linda, you must say hi

563
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 3: for us.

564
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 6: Oh, I certainly will. I told her yesterday that I

565
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 6: was going to be on the podcast and she was

566
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 6: all jealous and like, I can't believe you're gonna do that.

567
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 6: I'm like, yes, I'm gonna get to talk to my

568
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 6: my Scott Patterson. I'm so excited.

569
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 3: Say something swoony, Scott, say.

570
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 6: Something swoony, Say something swoony, say something to look like

571
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 6: Linda in a different time and place maybe maybe. Oh yes, absolutely.

572
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:35,959
Speaker 6: And by the way, Sullivan's Crossing Rocks. Oh, thank you,

573
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 6: yes it absolutely. I grew up my summers in Canada,

574
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 6: so oh dig you yes, yes, grew up in Ontario.

575
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 1: Wow.

576
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 6: So but Sullivan's Crossing Rocks. I can't wait till April

577
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 6: when season two comes out.

578
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 1: That's right, Yeah, they're gonna. I'm doing the ad R

579
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 1: on season one right now.

580
00:33:55,000 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 6: I'm very excited because season one was definitely emotion season two.

581
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 1: But by the way, the show looks a lot better now.

582
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 1: Oh really, okay, yeah, it looks like it kind of

583
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,880
Speaker 1: looks like a film. It looks like movies. It's it's

584
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 1: really they I don't know what they did. It's just wild,

585
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 1: but it just looks a season.

586
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 3: Season two hasn't not aired in Canada yet, right, no?

587
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 1: Soon?

588
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:18,959
Speaker 3: Oh wow?

589
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 6: Okay, So if Scott Patterson is on the TV, it's

590
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 6: on my house much.

591
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 3: Wait, Scott, is it Soft four, which I can't see.

592
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:34,799
Speaker 6: I can't see it.

593
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 1: Are we bringing that into the.

594
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:38,760
Speaker 3: No, I can't.

595
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:40,399
Speaker 6: See any of those. I can only see I can

596
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:43,440
Speaker 6: only see Scott. I can't see those movies. I'm not

597
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 6: I'm not that kind of movie person.

598
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 1: So oh my gosh, what does your husband say when

599
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:51,879
Speaker 1: when when I'm on TV?

600
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:54,279
Speaker 6: Oh, He's like, oh my god, your boyfriend's on TV again.

601
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 6: I'm like, yuess, I have it on. I mean I've

602
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 6: watched Gilmore Girls so much, and it was on at

603
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:02,759
Speaker 6: Thanksgiving when they put it on up and it's on

604
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 6: for that whole week. It's on constantly. I never turn

605
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 6: it off. And he's like, is your boyfriend on the

606
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:09,400
Speaker 6: TV again? I'm like, yes, go away.

607
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 3: I get Linda out of ten like Apple.

608
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 6: Pies, but oh my gosh, you guys are out of ten.

609
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:21,399
Speaker 6: I listened to your podcast all. I mean, I'm caught up.

610
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:23,880
Speaker 6: I listen to it every night as much as possible.

611
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:25,760
Speaker 6: Whenever it's on, I'm listener.

612
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 1: Are you what part of the country I.

613
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 6: Live in, South Georgia, Valdosta?

614
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 1: How are you in Valdosta? Okay? Yeah?

615
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:33,280
Speaker 6: Which is near Moody Air Force Base.

616
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:34,319
Speaker 1: Okay cool.

617
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:39,280
Speaker 6: So, like I was telling Amy earlier, my my daughter

618
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:41,319
Speaker 6: decided to go to school down here and find her

619
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 6: husband and start procreating. So my husband and I lived

620
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:46,919
Speaker 6: in Atlanta for thirty something years and I said bye,

621
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:48,719
Speaker 6: So you gotta go be with the grandson.

622
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:49,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go.

623
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 6: And I know my grandson is I also relate Scott

624
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:55,240
Speaker 6: because my grandson is the age of your son. He's nine.

625
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 6: Oh really, yes he's not. And actually we have a

626
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 6: he calls me because my husband's Sicilian and so we

627
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 6: haven't known a gab that his name's Gavin. We haven't

628
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:07,400
Speaker 6: known a Gavin. Date tomorrow.

629
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 1: Oh that is very nice.

630
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:12,320
Speaker 6: Yeah, we're dressing up. He's taking me to dinner.

631
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 2: That is so cute.

632
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, so well, listen best your husband.

633
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 6: Thank you, thank you very much.

634
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 1: He sounds like a solid dude.

635
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 2: He is.

636
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 6: We've been together for we've been married for forty years.

637
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 6: Whoa and we've been together for forty four.

638
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 3: Wow, it's so great.

639
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 6: So yeah, we're lifers, as they say, we're lifers. But

640
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 6: it was wonderful talking to y'all. Good talking to Thank you.

641
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:47,879
Speaker 6: You have a wonderful afternoon and evening. And I hope

642
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 6: the California snow doesn't get you, Tony.

643
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 1: Now, I'm in southern California. I think Amy's in northern

644
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 1: California here.

645
00:36:57,800 --> 00:36:59,400
Speaker 3: I like, went outside a sweatshirt and I don't even

646
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 3: need a sweatshirt that.

647
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:02,440
Speaker 1: You got like ten feet a snow to deal with,

648
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 1: don't you.

649
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:04,720
Speaker 3: I'm going up to Tahoe next weekend.

650
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 6: So thank y'all, thanks so much, thank you.

651
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 1: All right, it is a pleasure.

652
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 2: There.

653
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 1: He is Tyler Conray, Ladies and gentlemen, only Tyler from

654
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:30,840
Speaker 1: Instagram fame there as we got him. Everybody wants them.

655
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,400
Speaker 1: How you doing, Bud, I'm doing so good.

656
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 3: This is Oh my god, you're so cute Tyler.

657
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.

658
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:41,800
Speaker 3: Wait, we need to explain for people that are just listening.

659
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:46,920
Speaker 3: So Tyler is watching Gilmore Girls and you know, films

660
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 3: himself shoots himself watching and the ending he just I

661
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 3: know you've gone past it now, but your video of

662
00:37:54,560 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 3: you watching season six went fully viral because Tyler didn't

663
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 3: love the ending.

664
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 7: I just I wasn't happy she was reverting back like

665
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 7: she was going back and I felt like she was

666
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:15,760
Speaker 7: going back in time and Rory was kind of maturing.

667
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:19,279
Speaker 7: And I don't know if that was the writers on

668
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 7: that to have them like mature in the opposite direction.

669
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good take. We haven't talked about that.

670
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:25,120
Speaker 3: That's a good take.

671
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 7: Valentine's episode about the vineyard like her and Logan are

672
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 7: so mature and Luke looked like they're a high school couple, Like.

673
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 2: Not right, So were you shocked?

674
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:40,359
Speaker 6: Oh?

675
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:43,359
Speaker 7: I was gagged. I was absolutely gagged. I was just

676
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:46,319
Speaker 7: I love Luke and Laura. I was so happy at

677
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 7: the end of season five when she was like, Luke,

678
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:50,839
Speaker 7: will you marry me? Like that was actually my first

679
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 7: reaction that I posted. My friend Trudy was like I

680
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:54,319
Speaker 7: told her I was watching for the first time, and

681
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:55,839
Speaker 7: she was like, Okay, these are the episodes I need

682
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:58,280
Speaker 7: you to film just because I want to see your reaction.

683
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:01,879
Speaker 7: She was like, and five the end of season six

684
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 7: and the end of season seven, and I was like, okay,

685
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 7: and then she was like, you should absolutely post this,

686
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 7: And now it has almost like three million views the

687
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 7: end of season seven one I think also almost has

688
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:19,760
Speaker 7: uh or end of season the year in the life.

689
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:22,479
Speaker 3: So I'm not, oh, yeah, we aren't there yet because

690
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 3: we're protecting Danielle from knowing what happens. But so good, no, no, no,

691
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:31,400
Speaker 3: you're fine, You're fine. So I don't know. Maybe I

692
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 3: would love to just hear your thoughts on season six

693
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:38,279
Speaker 3: and the ending and just sort of you can just

694
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 3: talk to us.

695
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 7: I mean season six. I we know Luke doesn't like

696
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 7: to be like sprung on like he does. That's not

697
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 7: his energy. He doesn't know what to do. Loralai comes

698
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:54,839
Speaker 7: in like a wrecking ball during like rush hour at

699
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 7: the diner and is like ultimatum now, and it's just

700
00:39:59,920 --> 00:40:03,279
Speaker 7: like like I know why she did it because she

701
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 7: had been pushed by Emily. She had been pushed by

702
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:08,440
Speaker 7: April's mother to be like, I don't want you on

703
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:11,720
Speaker 7: my daughter unless you're married. But I also wanted Laurala

704
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 7: to just enjoy being engaged to Luke, like, enjoy that time.

705
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:18,440
Speaker 7: If June wasn't gonna work, he was, he was so

706
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:21,440
Speaker 7: like in the Valentine's Day episode, he was all like

707
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:23,839
Speaker 7: you know, yes, like, well, let's pick a date. If

708
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 7: having a date makes you feel better, then let's talk

709
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 7: about it, like maybe it's not June third, but and

710
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:32,880
Speaker 7: then enjoy being engaged and enjoy like Luke discovering himself

711
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 7: with April and discovering being a father him never happened

712
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:37,959
Speaker 7: really that moment before.

713
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:39,839
Speaker 1: Right, Why isn't she happy for him?

714
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 3: I agree?

715
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:44,719
Speaker 1: Why isn't she supportive for him? He's got it? Exactly? Good?

716
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:45,279
Speaker 1: Great point.

717
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:49,880
Speaker 7: Great point, and so I get like she was definitely

718
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:56,719
Speaker 7: feeling pressure from everything else. And then poor Lane's wedding.

719
00:40:57,480 --> 00:40:57,719
Speaker 2: Out.

720
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 7: Actually, oh god, oh my god, how can you block

721
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 7: that out? Also, missus Kim is truly one of my

722
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:07,399
Speaker 7: favorites in the entire series, like in season six when

723
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 7: she makes Zach write a song before you get from.

724
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:13,240
Speaker 3: A hit and it had to be a hit.

725
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 7: Ionic, so iconic and just like go missus Kim, love

726
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:21,240
Speaker 7: love her one of my favorite characters on the show. Yeah,

727
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:24,319
Speaker 7: and I Lorlai could have gone to anybody, right, But

728
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 7: I do think they said, you guys talked about this

729
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:28,719
Speaker 7: last week on the podcast, they did set it up

730
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 7: really well where you saw that Lourlai kind of was

731
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 7: disconnected from her normal crew. She can't relate to Sochi

732
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:38,400
Speaker 7: anymore because she has that whole family life now and

733
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 7: she can't really relate to that and so and Soukie

734
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 7: doesn't really get what's going on with her. She's like no,

735
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 7: she won't say anything, like I can't get her to

736
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:46,920
Speaker 7: open up, and she can't talk to her mother. You know,

737
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:50,920
Speaker 7: her mother is really not team Luke. And the episode

738
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:54,799
Speaker 7: where her mom gets high surgery iconic. I made my

739
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 7: mom watch the series after I finished it, and she

740
00:41:57,680 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 7: was like, do you think I'm like Emily, like is

741
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 7: that why you want me to watch this? And I'm like, well,

742
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 7: like sometimes I see you and Emily, and sometimes I

743
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:05,880
Speaker 7: see like your mom to you and Emily. So I

744
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:13,319
Speaker 7: just thought, you know, but so I get anybody to

745
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:16,239
Speaker 7: go to. But she could have gone to Luke, like

746
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:18,359
Speaker 7: she could have gone back, and I'm like, I'm sorry,

747
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 7: I could have just gone home. I get what she

748
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 7: want to be alone. She just got Planka. She's got

749
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:26,440
Speaker 7: a dog, go to your little dog Palka instead of

750
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:30,600
Speaker 7: Christopher and a stupid buzz cut in his toxic relationship

751
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 7: with him, and like.

752
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:34,440
Speaker 4: A dog would be preferable.

753
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:43,359
Speaker 7: Absolutely, go to Dean. Know, Dean loves cheating. I think

754
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:45,320
Speaker 7: I would have been less mad if it was anybody

755
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 7: but christ.

756
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:48,919
Speaker 2: Show.

757
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 7: Dean stuck on for season seven, Like that's that's a

758
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:56,719
Speaker 7: show right there.

759
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:03,399
Speaker 3: I made it. I'm the only one on planet Earth

760
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 3: that was like, this is exactly what she would do, exactly.

761
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:10,840
Speaker 7: You're right, because they were really reverting her, like I said, like,

762
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 7: it felt like the writers were reverting her maturity. You're

763
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 7: watching Rory mature and to an adult, and you're watching

764
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:19,319
Speaker 7: LAURAAI kind of like descend maturity level.

765
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:19,719
Speaker 3: So like it.

766
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 7: Yeah, like Rory also kind of did the same thing,

767
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:24,320
Speaker 7: like she slept with with Dean while he was married,

768
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 7: and so they kind of gave that to Laura I,

769
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:29,799
Speaker 7: and they're kind of like shifting their maturity pass.

770
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 3: I agree with that. We didn't really address that, but

771
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 3: I we did talk about how it's one of the

772
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 3: most amazing sort of Rory Logan moments, and you're right

773
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:45,920
Speaker 3: in that it's because they are making the hard choice

774
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 3: because it's the best choice in that moment for Logan,

775
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 3: and so Rory is sacrificing herself for Logan to go

776
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 3: do what he needs to do. And I would have

777
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:03,399
Speaker 3: liked to see or Lie sacrifice herself to allow Luke

778
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 3: to do what he needed to do.

779
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 4: That's what she was doing the whole time, though. That's

780
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:10,319
Speaker 4: I think that's what I'm not connecting with.

781
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 3: You, because she never really is. She's all but hurt

782
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 3: all the time, even though she's not expressing it.

783
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 4: I disagree. I I disagree she looking around. She did

784
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:27,800
Speaker 4: everything Luke wanted her to do, but but she wanted

785
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 4: her to stay away and stay in the background, and

786
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:30,880
Speaker 4: she did.

787
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:34,240
Speaker 3: But she wasn't doing it. So here there's a difference.

788
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:37,800
Speaker 3: It's I always say it like this, there's playing hard

789
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:41,400
Speaker 3: to get and there's being hard to get. So so

790
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 3: in those same terms, she was doing it, but not

791
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:49,879
Speaker 3: she wasn't doing it. Truly, she's upset about it, she's

792
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:54,879
Speaker 3: bummed about it. She's not doing it all truistically for him.

793
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 3: She's doing it because he told her to. She should

794
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 3: have done it because it was what he needed. I mean,

795
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:01,760
Speaker 3: you don't have degree.

796
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 2: I see you know your face.

797
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:03,800
Speaker 4: I don't agree.

798
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:07,279
Speaker 3: You don't have to. That's the beauty of it. We

799
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 3: don't have to agree to both. It doesn't make one

800
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 3: of us right or wrong. I think Loralai could have

801
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 3: been more supportive of supportive of Luke and this major.

802
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 4: How would she like, what should she have done that

803
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 4: would be more supportive, so instead of.

804
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:27,879
Speaker 3: Just staying away, she would understand.

805
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:31,840
Speaker 1: People like an out of control, impulsive teenager.

806
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:32,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right.

807
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 4: When did she do that other than those last episode?

808
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 3: He just did it, thank you, Tyler. Tyler agrees no,

809
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 3: but because she's been doing it all along. First of all,

810
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 3: it's very teenagery to make up a staff meeting and

811
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 3: hide in your bedroom and have miss Patty lie and

812
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:52,239
Speaker 3: say you're not home. That's like insane. That to me

813
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:56,240
Speaker 3: was where I was like, Oh, she's gone, wait what Tyler,

814
00:45:56,840 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 3: she's taking like at exactly that teenager too and getting

815
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:04,880
Speaker 3: up there and making that embarrassing toast and being so unhinged.

816
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:09,759
Speaker 3: The other thing is she's doing it, but she's not

817
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:11,920
Speaker 3: doing it for the right reasons. And I know, I

818
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 3: say sound like I'm on the Bachelor, but it's like,

819
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 3: if she truly supported Luke and really was in it

820
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 3: with him, she would have had no issue giving him

821
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:27,360
Speaker 3: that space. She wouldn't if she really understood this is

822
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:29,919
Speaker 3: a life changing thing that has just happened to him.

823
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 3: I need to sacrifice my own needs and wants and

824
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:36,479
Speaker 3: give him the time. And he never indicated he didn't

825
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:38,880
Speaker 3: love her and that the wedding wasn't happening. She made

826
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 3: that up in her head, in my opinion, allegedly. Okay,

827
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:50,320
Speaker 3: but but then say what you think, Say what you think.

828
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 4: I think that she was doing I think by how

829
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:59,440
Speaker 4: do I phrase it, like, by staying in the background

830
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:03,319
Speaker 4: because Luke wanted her to. That's how she was supporting him.

831
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:07,400
Speaker 4: She never pressured Luke to say, like let me meet April,

832
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 4: let me hang out with you guys, like let's all

833
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:14,799
Speaker 4: be friends, like she she was. That's how she was

834
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:17,759
Speaker 4: trying to support him was by following his wishes. And

835
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 4: I agree with that.

836
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 3: But the reason she exploded is because she wasn't doing

837
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 3: it from her heart. She was doing it because he

838
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 3: told her to. If she was doing it truly like selfish,

839
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 3: selflessly unconditional love for him, there would be no reason

840
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:41,319
Speaker 3: to have an ultimatum or explode because she would be

841
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:44,520
Speaker 3: so like, he needs time, and I'm good with it

842
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 3: because I know we're going to get married. She's just

843
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:51,240
Speaker 3: totally gone insecure because if she truly.

844
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 1: Believes so is so this here we go again. We

845
00:47:56,400 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 1: are forcing who's forcing behaviors on characters to so that

846
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 1: they are acting unlike characters that they've long established, Right?

847
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:11,400
Speaker 3: Is confident?

848
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 1: Are you recognizing Luke? Are you recognizing Laurel I? In

849
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 1: these scenes? Do they seem like they are Luke and

850
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:23,360
Speaker 1: Laurel I? Do they seem like they are these people

851
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 1: that something has been imposed upon them somewhat?

852
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 3: They seem like themselves?

853
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:33,960
Speaker 7: Tyler, go ahead, Oh, I was just I fully agree

854
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 7: with like Lorelai, just there were like you see little

855
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:40,279
Speaker 7: moments like you see her when she gets to like

856
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:41,960
Speaker 7: be a part of April's life and she's so excited,

857
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:43,560
Speaker 7: and then April's mom is like, no, like I need

858
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 7: someone who's committed. I need to know someone's committed. So

859
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 7: in Laura's mind, she's making up the false reality that

860
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 7: because she's not married, that she's not committed. So she

861
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:53,759
Speaker 7: wants to be a part of April. She liked having

862
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:55,799
Speaker 7: that and now she's not gonna be able to have

863
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 7: that unless she's married. She wants to get married now,

864
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:00,960
Speaker 7: and she's but it is very like childish, like I think,

865
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:04,080
Speaker 7: like Scott, like you said, like she she's just acting.

866
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:06,759
Speaker 7: She's acting the mature and she's acting impulsively instead of

867
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:09,799
Speaker 7: listening to her partner like a mature adult who made

868
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:14,600
Speaker 7: post to therapy like you think.

869
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:18,799
Speaker 3: Because I agree with you, Tyler, I agree with you.

870
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:21,799
Speaker 3: He told her we're gonna get married and we can

871
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:24,960
Speaker 3: have lobster at the wedding. He's never indicated to her

872
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 3: they're not going to get married.

873
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:29,840
Speaker 4: But actions speak louder than words. I tell my kids

874
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:32,279
Speaker 4: that all the time. It's like you say you're going

875
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:34,200
Speaker 4: to wash the dishes, but I know you're not going

876
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:36,840
Speaker 4: to wash the dishes until you actually go wash the dishes.

877
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:40,880
Speaker 4: I'm going to change the topic because Tyler, you said

878
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 4: something like ten minutes ago that I like latched onto

879
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 4: and you made a comment about Dean and Rory, and

880
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:52,080
Speaker 4: I realized there's a parallel. If you think about that

881
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 4: disaster date where Rory was in the bar with the

882
00:49:56,280 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 4: guy that Emily set her up with. Yeah, Paul's Dean, right.

883
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:02,720
Speaker 3: She didn't have to call Dean.

884
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:03,600
Speaker 2: She could have.

885
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:06,480
Speaker 4: Called any other number of people. She could have called

886
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 4: me grandmother and be like, you know, you set me

887
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:09,640
Speaker 4: up with a drunk driver, did you know that?

888
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 3: And that completely.

889
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:17,920
Speaker 4: Parallels what could have been anywhere. She didn't have to

890
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:20,719
Speaker 4: go to Christopher's house. She could have anyways. I just

891
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 4: hadn't thought of that great note. So I just had

892
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 4: a great call out.

893
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:28,840
Speaker 3: And we did at the time say why did she

894
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:29,479
Speaker 3: call Dean?

895
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:30,759
Speaker 6: Right?

896
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:34,840
Speaker 4: And you know, it's like Amy's writing Amy Sherman Palladino

897
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:38,600
Speaker 4: is It's very big on the you know, the full circle.

898
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 4: And so there's so many parallels between Loral and Rory

899
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:45,120
Speaker 4: and that was one that I had never even caught

900
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:46,719
Speaker 4: before until you mentioned that.

901
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:51,799
Speaker 3: So that's a good note. That's so true, like mother

902
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:52,839
Speaker 3: like daughter.

903
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:56,560
Speaker 7: Exactly, And because the next day, Roy's like, look, that's

904
00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 7: just like my Dean, like he didn't cheat because he's not.

905
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 7: I'm not wrecking my Dean. And I feel like Laura

906
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:04,360
Speaker 7: is the same impression, like is also that's one of

907
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:06,920
Speaker 7: my favorite lines from the show. And Gg's like, I

908
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:09,240
Speaker 7: also don't sleep in my night gown when I'm sick,

909
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:18,239
Speaker 7: like's gonna wake up and be like, oh well, like

910
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:20,759
Speaker 7: that was just like my Christopher, Like that means nothing.

911
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:22,719
Speaker 7: I'm gonna go marry Luke now and still be with Luke,

912
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 7: and he's gonna he's gonna think this is so funny.

913
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:34,440
Speaker 3: Ha ha. It's a lot. I mean it's a lot,

914
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:39,000
Speaker 3: like we saw it in Tyler's reaction. It's a lot.

915
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:44,000
Speaker 7: Because after season five, I'm like, yes, I've been waiting

916
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:46,880
Speaker 7: five seasons for this to happen, for like Luke and

917
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:49,680
Speaker 7: Laurili to get together, to have this like beautiful life together,

918
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:53,120
Speaker 7: and then Laura I just really took a turn. I

919
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:56,200
Speaker 7: don't know if it was like Rory joining the you know,

920
00:51:56,280 --> 00:52:00,160
Speaker 7: the d A R and then right. But also she

921
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:03,240
Speaker 7: was maturing, and I think she was maturing past Lurla

922
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:05,719
Speaker 7: and LAURAAI didn't know what to do with that. She

923
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:08,960
Speaker 7: was like, no, I want like a teenager, Like I

924
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:12,360
Speaker 7: want that, like I'm healing my owner child through my

925
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:17,040
Speaker 7: own teenage daughter. And now she's maturing, and now what

926
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:19,640
Speaker 7: do I do. I've never got She's still stuck. That

927
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:24,320
Speaker 7: we talked about that she's sort of stuck. I don't know, Susanne.

928
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:26,520
Speaker 3: I am interested in your take if you see that

929
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:32,440
Speaker 3: Lurla I imploded throughout the season. Or is it because

930
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:35,319
Speaker 3: Luke wasn't leveling up to where she needed him to be.

931
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:38,520
Speaker 2: I think he.

932
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:44,440
Speaker 4: I think she just she just was worn down, like

933
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:48,160
Speaker 4: she thought she was doing the right thing by staying

934
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:51,799
Speaker 4: back because Luke wanted her to. But she said herself

935
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:54,520
Speaker 4: in that last episode, She's like, you know, I feel

936
00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:58,359
Speaker 4: crappy all the time. You know, she just she just

937
00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:05,160
Speaker 4: knew that it didn't feel right, and so I forgot.

938
00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 3: No, that was a good answer. It totally Look I'm

939
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:11,080
Speaker 3: going way deep now and I'll let everybody go.

940
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:14,600
Speaker 1: But maybe she was just feeling like she couldn't control

941
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:18,520
Speaker 1: the situation. So I have a lot of anxiety in

942
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:20,880
Speaker 1: her because she's used to controlling all these subject and.

943
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:25,279
Speaker 3: That's right, Scott. I think she's making herself feel how

944
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:29,600
Speaker 3: she's feeling. No one's doing it to her. She's kind

945
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:32,160
Speaker 3: of what Tyler said, sort of creating it in her

946
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 3: own mind. I do think she's making matters worse for

947
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 3: herself rather than just being confident and saying, yes, this

948
00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:44,160
Speaker 3: is a giant hiccup, but we're gonna be good.

949
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:46,319
Speaker 1: Susanne, how do you feel about that?

950
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:50,799
Speaker 4: I mean, I think Luke could have helped. I mean,

951
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 4: Luke could have been more reassuring.

952
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:58,360
Speaker 3: And I don't know if anybody knows who, If anybody

953
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:02,880
Speaker 3: Abraham Hicks, Tyler, do you know who Abraham Hicks is? No,

954
00:54:03,239 --> 00:54:05,400
Speaker 3: you guys all got a YouTube it because basically this

955
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:08,319
Speaker 3: so she's sort of like a therapy guru, and her

956
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:11,200
Speaker 3: whole thing would be Lorelai is doing this to herself.

957
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:15,759
Speaker 3: It's not Luke doing it to her that she's creating

958
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:20,400
Speaker 3: sort of this. She's making it worse for herself in

959
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:21,240
Speaker 3: her own mind.

960
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:23,680
Speaker 2: I don't know.

961
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:25,960
Speaker 3: So the people I'm gonna get a one hundred thousand

962
00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:28,080
Speaker 3: mean emails.

963
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:30,840
Speaker 1: Don't need them, don't I need them?

964
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:34,560
Speaker 7: That Loralai exactly. She was getting hurt by false realities

965
00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:36,719
Speaker 7: that she was making up in her head, which is

966
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:39,399
Speaker 7: a very sure thing to do in somebody who has

967
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:42,480
Speaker 7: not done the growth or personal work and is secure

968
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:43,360
Speaker 7: in themselves.

969
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:46,600
Speaker 3: Yeah. I agree.

970
00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:51,239
Speaker 4: I think I made this point earlier when we had

971
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:55,880
Speaker 4: a different caller on the whole. I don't blame Lorelai

972
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:59,279
Speaker 4: for being insecure because this whole thing started with Luke

973
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:03,120
Speaker 4: withholding information from her, and when she found out that

974
00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:06,160
Speaker 4: he had known about April for two months and didn't

975
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:08,759
Speaker 4: tell her, I can see how that would feel like

976
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:12,960
Speaker 4: a betrayal, and so I can say that was the

977
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:17,160
Speaker 4: seed of insecurity in her mind. That Okay, if he

978
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:20,400
Speaker 4: didn't think I was important enough to share that information with,

979
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:22,680
Speaker 4: he's checking out, and.

980
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:24,560
Speaker 1: Then it's it's like a domino.

981
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:27,879
Speaker 3: That's a fair point. That's a fair point. He that's

982
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:30,160
Speaker 3: a fair point. I'm going to totally agree with you

983
00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:33,040
Speaker 3: there that had he handled that initial thing different, now,

984
00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:35,360
Speaker 3: I don't totally fault him. I get it it was

985
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:39,279
Speaker 3: overwhelming and he was terrified, right, But you're right, I

986
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:42,040
Speaker 3: do think that started, like Scott said, a domino effect.

987
00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:44,319
Speaker 3: It was a it was just a train wreck from there.

988
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:47,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, it just it looks fault. Just blame the guy.

989
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:49,960
Speaker 1: Just always blame the guy. He can take it by

990
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:53,080
Speaker 1: the dude, I'm trying to see take the shots. But

991
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:54,600
Speaker 1: he did it his way.

992
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:57,560
Speaker 4: I've tried so hard for the Hire show. If you

993
00:55:57,600 --> 00:56:01,760
Speaker 4: think about all the relationships, the entire show is founded

994
00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:06,960
Speaker 4: on a lack of communication. Every single pair of people,

995
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:11,000
Speaker 4: except maybe like Marian bad Bet suffers from a lack

996
00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:15,080
Speaker 4: of communication at some point, like Suki, Richard and Emily.

997
00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:19,040
Speaker 4: All of them suffer from that. It's just a recurring

998
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:20,600
Speaker 4: theme everywhere.

999
00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:23,880
Speaker 1: Well, it's a recurring theme in relationships.

1000
00:56:23,719 --> 00:56:26,880
Speaker 3: That's why I always say it's a Three's Company episode.

1001
00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:28,719
Speaker 1: There you go about the.

1002
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:36,640
Speaker 3: Miscommunication, right, Oh, Tyler, thank you for joining us for

1003
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:38,840
Speaker 3: our therapy Gilmore Girls therapy today.

1004
00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:41,600
Speaker 7: Oh my gosh, thank you all so much. I've loved

1005
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:44,399
Speaker 7: this is this is so surreal to me, especially because

1006
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:46,799
Speaker 7: I truly just started watching this at like Thanksgiving.

1007
00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:53,080
Speaker 3: So the fact that jam and dude, you've watched the

1008
00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:54,200
Speaker 3: movies now, right.

1009
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:59,000
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, I've watched you watched everything even faster than me.

1010
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:01,120
Speaker 7: She's retired and so that's why she was like, what

1011
00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:10,400
Speaker 7: do I what do I watch now? I'm like, Gilmore girls.

1012
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:08,680
Speaker 1: Where where are you? What part of the country you

1013
00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:12,400
Speaker 1: I'm in New York City? Okay, all right, Suzanne.

1014
00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:14,040
Speaker 3: I do think we need to tell people that we

1015
00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:18,080
Speaker 3: genuinely like each other, because you, yes, we like each

1016
00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:19,240
Speaker 3: other like so much.

1017
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:20,800
Speaker 1: Oh they do. It's disgusting.

1018
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:25,800
Speaker 3: We have to separate them like you can make we

1019
00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:28,080
Speaker 3: can disagree, but we like totally love show.

1020
00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:30,200
Speaker 1: We have to encourage them to mingle with other people.

1021
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:33,200
Speaker 4: When we have the live podcast event and we saw

1022
00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:35,840
Speaker 4: each other, it was like big hugs, totally.

1023
00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:39,240
Speaker 3: And it's look if we agreed all the time, what's

1024
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:39,960
Speaker 3: fun about that?

1025
00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:42,760
Speaker 1: It's like, but Amy and I don't get along. No,

1026
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:47,240
Speaker 1: we That's it's like I see her coming, I run

1027
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:47,720
Speaker 1: the other way.

1028
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:50,080
Speaker 3: That's why I can't remember. I'm like, was that on

1029
00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:52,040
Speaker 3: the air? Was that just one of our phone calls?

1030
00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:55,480
Speaker 3: I think people don't realize, like we talk about this

1031
00:57:55,640 --> 00:58:00,320
Speaker 3: show on the air, off the air context on the weekends.

1032
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:07,160
Speaker 3: Just like again, anyway, welcome to the mess, Tyler, honor

1033
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:08,040
Speaker 3: to be here.

1034
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:09,360
Speaker 2: Thank you all so much.

1035
00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:11,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have a feeling we're going to be seeing

1036
00:58:11,560 --> 00:58:16,360
Speaker 1: you again for sure. I just have a feeling. I

1037
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:19,160
Speaker 1: have a feeling somehow going to be a part of this,

1038
00:58:19,320 --> 00:58:26,480
Speaker 1: somehow away. Thanks keep making those great videos. You're awesome

1039
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:28,479
Speaker 1: and appreciate the time.

1040
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:30,920
Speaker 3: Thank you very much.

1041
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:34,040
Speaker 4: Thanks, take care, good talking to you.

1042
00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:35,320
Speaker 1: Good men, your body, take care.

1043
00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:37,840
Speaker 3: It wouldn't be up I Am All In Podcast if

1044
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:39,200
Speaker 3: there wasn't a brawl.

1045
00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:45,680
Speaker 1: Oh god, I was gonna wrap it up kids. Thanks

1046
00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:49,200
Speaker 1: for everybody called in. We had a blast. Love you guys.

1047
00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:52,480
Speaker 1: We're going to do this again. I really enjoyed it.

1048
00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:55,520
Speaker 1: Thank you, Susanne, Thank you Amy, and we will see

1049
00:58:55,520 --> 00:59:27,080
Speaker 1: you next time. Stay safe everywhere dot Hey, everybody to forget.

1050
00:59:27,160 --> 00:59:31,240
Speaker 1: Follow us on Instagram at I Am All In Podcast

1051
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:44,360
Speaker 1: and email us at Gilmore at iHeartRadio dot com.