WEBVTT - Betrayal: Secrets & Lies with ABC News Studios | BONUS 

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<v Speaker 1>I am joined today by David Sloan and Mariel Pearson.

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<v Speaker 1>I know who you are, and you guys are huge

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<v Speaker 1>advocates of betrayal, But can you tell the audience who

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<v Speaker 1>you are in relationship to the show? David?

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<v Speaker 2>Why don't you go first?

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<v Speaker 3>Sure, I'm the creative lead for ABC News long Form,

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<v Speaker 3>which comprises ABC News Studios, twenty twenty, Nightline, and Impact

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<v Speaker 3>our other news magazines.

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<v Speaker 4>So I'm the creative lead over content, and I'm Muriel Pearson.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm the executive producer over here overseeing your wonderful show, Andrea.

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<v Speaker 4>And yeah, I work really closely with David on a

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<v Speaker 4>lot of the things that he's working on. But I

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<v Speaker 4>work really closely with your producer, John Hirsch on making

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<v Speaker 4>beautiful television out of your amazing podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>How did you guys get into true crime?

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<v Speaker 4>David is the king of true crime. I'm passing that

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<v Speaker 4>to you.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I have been doing crime since I worked

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<v Speaker 3>on twenty five years ago or maybe a little longer,

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<v Speaker 3>and I became the executive producer for twenty years. And

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<v Speaker 3>it's ferreting out these stories of not only the most notorious,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's it's like the seven deadly sins. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>why crimes are committed. It's jealousy, it's envy, it's angry.

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<v Speaker 3>These are universal kinds of feelings in humanity. But the

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<v Speaker 3>eighth deadly sin is betrayal. It's almost the eighths deadly sin.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not in there along with gluttney and sloth and

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<v Speaker 3>all of those other ones, but it really is one

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<v Speaker 3>of the deadly sins. And again it has a commonality

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<v Speaker 3>where someone everywhere on earth has been betrayed by someone

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<v Speaker 3>big or small.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so curious what made you guys interested in taking

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<v Speaker 1>the weekly series and converting it to TV. Obviously we've

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<v Speaker 1>done Stacy's story, Jens story, and Ashley's story.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, what made you interested in the weekly format?

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<v Speaker 3>It's been remarkable. These limited series on Hulu have been

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<v Speaker 3>remarkably received and keep adding viewers all the time in

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<v Speaker 3>terms of driving subscriptions on Hulu. And then we just thought, like,

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<v Speaker 3>why are we doing this for the network.

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<v Speaker 4>But you know what Drea is is really remarkable about

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<v Speaker 4>this is we all ask about how transferable these kinds

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<v Speaker 4>of stories and the popularity is between platforms, and I

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<v Speaker 4>think what we've learned from your show and a couple

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<v Speaker 4>others is with a very very powerful podcast that translates

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<v Speaker 4>into network, that translates into viewers on Hulu, and it

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<v Speaker 4>is astonishing to me because there are very few things

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<v Speaker 4>that migrate cross platform. With the success of Betrayal, and

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<v Speaker 4>we've seen it happen time in the games, certainly with

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<v Speaker 4>the Hulu series and with the network series as well.

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<v Speaker 4>Your listeners, your audience are tuned in to watch these

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<v Speaker 4>stories as they evolved on television series.

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<v Speaker 1>There are very loyal community and so it's really cool

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<v Speaker 1>to see them support every phase of Betrayal, whether it

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<v Speaker 1>be when we went from limited to the weekly and

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<v Speaker 1>then when we launched the show on Hulu. So it's

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<v Speaker 1>really cool to see the feedback from the listeners and

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<v Speaker 1>then advocate for the show and for the storytellers. What

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<v Speaker 1>are some of the stories that you're looking forward to

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<v Speaker 1>the most this season? I mean, obviously I have my darlings,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm curious which ones are yours.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm looking forward to the abduction, I mean, where do

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<v Speaker 3>you get the story of First of all, the best

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<v Speaker 3>stories have the perpetrator or the husband as I will

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<v Speaker 3>call him. He's really a perpetrator. The best villains are

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<v Speaker 3>the ones hiding in play site. So this guy is

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<v Speaker 3>a devoted father, he's a financial advisor who his clients trust,

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<v Speaker 3>he's an elder at their church. And to think that

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<v Speaker 3>he also would get involved in abduction and ransom unproofed

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<v Speaker 3>dungeon with victims, it almost shocks the conscience. And it

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<v Speaker 3>is really the ones who are hiding in plain sight

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<v Speaker 3>that are truly remarkable and the most frightening.

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<v Speaker 5>What about you, Maryel I am looking forwards to Morgan

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<v Speaker 5>because Morgan is so spunky. Morgan is successful, Morgan is

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<v Speaker 5>not going to let anybody take her down. Morgan fights back,

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<v Speaker 5>as many.

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<v Speaker 4>Of these women do. You don't have to be victimized,

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<v Speaker 4>you don't have to take it from somebody. You can

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<v Speaker 4>do something about it. And it is fascinating to me

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<v Speaker 4>how a woman like Morgan kind of shows you a

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<v Speaker 4>little bit of the heart of darkness. Because one little

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<v Speaker 4>theme that I've seen emerge from this series is a

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<v Speaker 4>lot of men who really didn't feel comfortable with their wives'

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<v Speaker 4>success that they really who knows at what point they

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<v Speaker 4>decided they wanted to take that down, But it was

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<v Speaker 4>a power thing. It wasn't just a betrayal thing. Which

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<v Speaker 4>is already a awful enough but it really raised questions

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<v Speaker 4>in my mind about what the ultimate, deeper, darker motivation

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<v Speaker 4>of some of these men was. Were they trying to

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<v Speaker 4>take that woman down.

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<v Speaker 2>It's such a great point.

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<v Speaker 1>When you watch Crystal Harris's episode, you will find similarities

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<v Speaker 1>between Sean Harris, which is Chrissel's husband, and Rodney Morgan's

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<v Speaker 1>ex husband. Different scenarios. Christl was the breadwinner, she was working,

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<v Speaker 1>he was taking care of the kids, and then he

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<v Speaker 1>experiences loss and he starts to change the same story

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<v Speaker 1>is very similar in Morgan's case.

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<v Speaker 2>It's really to see things just you know, to see.

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<v Speaker 1>Those like themes come up in these perpetrators and the

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<v Speaker 1>offenders is so fascinating.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, the one thing I was going to.

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<v Speaker 1>Say off your point David about these perpetrators hiding in

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<v Speaker 1>plain sight is these stories are hiding in plain sight.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember when Donielle emailed us. I think her email

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<v Speaker 1>was like three sentences long, and it was just like

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<v Speaker 1>big fan of the podcast. You know, really quick in

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<v Speaker 1>and out. You would have no idea what that woman

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<v Speaker 1>went through. She just heard the show, she wrote in

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<v Speaker 1>and you would never know that her husband at one

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<v Speaker 1>point had dungeon in a random rental property. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a real indication of you just don't know what

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<v Speaker 1>someone has gone through or what they're going through.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm so full of admiration to the class group because

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<v Speaker 3>what you have done with the podcast, and we've been

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<v Speaker 3>lucky enough to meet you and to collaborate with you

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<v Speaker 3>on the on the network and on Hulu, is that

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<v Speaker 3>you've created a sisterhood. Yeah, you've created a sisterhood not

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<v Speaker 3>of just listeners, but women who can can bear witness

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<v Speaker 3>two stories like the other listeners. And it's it's very,

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<v Speaker 3>very impressive and rare. And the fact that it can

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<v Speaker 3>keeps regenerating and really snowballing into almost this sort of

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<v Speaker 3>movement of women sharing these stories and taking power and

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<v Speaker 3>empowering themselves. It's just this collective strain that I really

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<v Speaker 3>admire all of you for bringing us about.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, thank you for saying that.

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<v Speaker 1>That means a lot to me.

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<v Speaker 4>What I kind of love about this series is true

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<v Speaker 4>crime in the past has taken a little bit of

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<v Speaker 4>criticism because it's been too much about the crime, the

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<v Speaker 4>relations of the crime or the perpetrator. This brings it

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<v Speaker 4>firmly into the space of the victims, of the people

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<v Speaker 4>to whom the crime is being perpetrated on. But I've

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<v Speaker 4>got to say that there's something incredibly emotionally compelling about

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<v Speaker 4>constantly reframing the crime within that context between a woman's

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<v Speaker 4>inside of a woman's point of view. Well though I

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<v Speaker 4>shouldn't just say a woman, because I mean we should

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<v Speaker 4>tease it a little little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>Andrea that we have a man we do betrayal coming up,

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<v Speaker 2>We do Ramone, and he was the first man that

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<v Speaker 2>we had on the weekly, and that was a watershed moment, obviously,

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<v Speaker 2>aside from Tyler on the you know, the Hulu doc

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<v Speaker 2>it was I think Tyler really.

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<v Speaker 1>Set a stage for men to participate in betrayal because

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<v Speaker 1>I do think that there's a lot there is a

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<v Speaker 1>level of shame in every storyteller where they feel they

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<v Speaker 1>are the only one that got duped, they're the only

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<v Speaker 1>one that didn't see it. And I think for male

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<v Speaker 1>storytellers it's really hard in particular, and ramone man, is

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<v Speaker 1>he not just so strong and willing and just to

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<v Speaker 1>stand on his two feet and say this is what

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<v Speaker 1>happened to me. I am so grateful to the both

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<v Speaker 1>of you for believing in Betrayal and just being a

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<v Speaker 1>fan of the show and the stories, and so I

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<v Speaker 1>can't thank you enough. Muriel, do you want to tell

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<v Speaker 1>the audience where they can find betrayal secrets and lies?

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<v Speaker 4>Betrayal Secrets and Lies coming to the ABC News Network

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<v Speaker 4>of that wonderful sisterhood that David was talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, guys, I really appreciate you taking the time