1 00:00:04,480 --> 00:00:07,280 Speaker 1: Welcome into the Lounge presented by DraftKings. I'm Ryan Mink 2 00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:10,680 Speaker 1: here with Garrett Downing. Ravens suffered a tough thirty eight 3 00:00:10,720 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 1: to thirty loss here at Mt. Banks Stadium on Monday 4 00:00:13,840 --> 00:00:16,479 Speaker 1: Night Football, and the game, Garrett, that I think we 5 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 1: can both agree was very Unravens like in multiple ways. 6 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:23,560 Speaker 1: We're gonna break it down for you all here tonight 7 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:26,759 Speaker 1: and Garrett, I think let's start with our three biggest 8 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 1: takeaways from tonight's game. To me, the first one that 9 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:34,720 Speaker 1: jumps out the poorest run defense for the Ravens. They 10 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:37,839 Speaker 1: give up two hundred and twenty five rushing yards on 11 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 1: the ground. That's the third most during the Hardball era. 12 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 1: It includes a seventy two yard run by David Montgomery 13 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 1: of the Lions. We knew that this Lion's backfield was 14 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 1: really good, Jamier Gibbs, Dave Montgomery. They have a good 15 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 1: offensive line, but that's just not good enough for the 16 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 1: Ravens defense. 17 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 2: It's just not what we're used to seeing from this team, 18 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:00,800 Speaker 2: and it's not gonna be good enough moving forward. 19 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 3: It was everything. 20 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:05,920 Speaker 2: The lines did a lot of things well offensively in 21 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:07,840 Speaker 2: this game, but it starts with their running game and 22 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:10,160 Speaker 2: their ability to pick up chunk plays and to move 23 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:13,039 Speaker 2: the ball to get short yard situations on second and 24 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:15,960 Speaker 2: third down. All of it comes back to their ability 25 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:18,039 Speaker 2: to run the ball. And I thought, I thought the 26 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:19,959 Speaker 2: quote that stood out to me was from Kyle Hamilton 27 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 2: and talk about the run defense, and he said, we 28 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 2: just can't take it for granted, Like we're all used 29 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:27,119 Speaker 2: to this around here with a run defense being really good. 30 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:29,120 Speaker 2: It's hard to put up a hundred yards on this team. 31 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:31,400 Speaker 2: That's just how they tip it. 32 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 3: Typically. 33 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:33,840 Speaker 2: Evoperated, if you've been watching Ravens football for the last 34 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:36,959 Speaker 2: thirty years, teams typically don't come into this stadium and 35 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 2: run the ball effectively, certainly not like they did tonight. 36 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:42,760 Speaker 2: And Hamilton's point is like, just because it's always been 37 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 2: good doesn't mean that it's going to be good just 38 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 2: because of that. And this is I think kind of 39 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 2: a wake up call to some degree to this defense 40 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 2: and the way that they play, because this is not 41 00:01:56,440 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 2: what they are accustomed to. And I think that they, 42 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 2: in hearing from the team leaders of this game, they're 43 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 2: taking a hard look in the mirror what they need 44 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 2: to do differently to avoid any kind of repeat performance 45 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:06,000 Speaker 2: like this well. 46 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 1: Obviously, the Ravens came into this game shorthanded defensively, two 47 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 1: big losses. Non the Matabik was sidelined because of a 48 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 1: neck injury, Kyle Vannoy because of a hamstring injury. I mean, 49 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:20,119 Speaker 1: those are two Pro Bowl guys, you know, and they've 50 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 1: been the Ravens sack leaders each of the past two 51 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 1: seasons with that set. I asked Kyle Hamilton about the 52 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:27,520 Speaker 1: impact of that, and he said, shame on us if 53 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 1: we need a Pro Bowl guy to play good defense. Yeah, 54 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:32,399 Speaker 1: and I mean that's a very fair point. I mean, 55 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 1: you come in with is a loaded with Pro bowlers 56 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:39,520 Speaker 1: across this defense. They have the talent to stop other 57 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:40,680 Speaker 1: teams on the ground. 58 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 3: And in the air. Honestly, you know, the. 59 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:45,640 Speaker 1: Five first round picks in the secondary, all that stuff, Like, 60 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:47,520 Speaker 1: there's a lot of talent on this defense even without 61 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 1: these guys. Now, certainly, I think we saw the impact 62 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 1: that Nondemtabik has on this run defense and on the 63 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 1: pass rush and Kyle van Noy, right, it hurts. But 64 00:02:58,280 --> 00:02:59,920 Speaker 1: do they still have enough talent to play better than 65 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:04,360 Speaker 1: defense than they did tonight? Yes, let's end. I think Also, 66 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 1: the Lions are a good offense. 67 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:08,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, they're really offenses and footbright. 68 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:13,120 Speaker 1: But like it that said, thirty eight points giving up 69 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:16,639 Speaker 1: two hundred more plus yards on the ground, it's not 70 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:19,079 Speaker 1: that that's not gonna be acceptable. Yeah, if you want 71 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 1: to not if you want to like be a great, 72 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 1: a great defensive team and go in Super Bowl, you 73 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:26,960 Speaker 1: know what I mean. Like that's the thing, Like, Okay, yeah, 74 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:29,920 Speaker 1: the Lions are really good. You're missing two big players. 75 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:32,920 Speaker 1: Like that's important context, but like, you know what, if 76 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 1: you're gonna be the best team in the league, you 77 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 1: gotta be it's gotta be better than that. 78 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 3: Still against a really good team. 79 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 2: Well there was there were one of the stats out 80 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 2: there was they had twenty missed tackles and so like, 81 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 2: twenty miss tackles is just not gonna get it done 82 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:46,640 Speaker 2: no matter who you're playing. And that's just not a 83 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 2: recipe for success. And for a team that has as 84 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 2: much talent and ability as this one, you can't have 85 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 2: games where you give up twenty tackles and like they're. 86 00:03:56,600 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 1: Just seventy two yard run by Dave Montgomery. You can't 87 00:03:59,080 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 1: give up seventy two. 88 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 2: Yards, right, you just can't have those plays. And like 89 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 2: in talking with some of the team leaders. We heard 90 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:06,120 Speaker 2: from Kyle Hamilton after the game. As we mentioned, we 91 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 2: heard from Marlon Humphrey and and Marlin made the point 92 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 2: that like we're just not very good right now, and 93 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:16,599 Speaker 2: in talking about tackling, like Kyle's point was, so the 94 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 2: question is like what went wrong? Like why was this 95 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 2: the case? Why why did the defense give up as 96 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 2: much as they did in this game? And Kyle's main 97 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 2: point is, like it comes down to like the simple things. 98 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 2: It's the tackling. It's it's just He's like it sounds 99 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:33,240 Speaker 2: kind of simple and dumb, but like it's playing football, 100 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:35,159 Speaker 2: like we're when we're in the position to make the play, 101 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 2: we need to make the play. And so it's like 102 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 2: they were pointing to like the simplistic elements of things 103 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:45,920 Speaker 2: like again twenty missed tackles, Like you can't have those 104 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:49,799 Speaker 2: types of mistakes and expect to be a great defense. 105 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 2: And so that's where their focus is in terms of 106 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 2: what went wrong in this game. 107 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:59,360 Speaker 1: Another big takeaway from this game another Derek Henry Fumbley 108 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 1: as three fo in three games now, including two in 109 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 1: the fourth quarter in Buffalo and here tonight when the 110 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 1: Ravens were trailing by four points. Had the ball defense 111 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:13,920 Speaker 1: just got a big stop the stuff that they badly 112 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:17,160 Speaker 1: needed your position to go down the field and potentially 113 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 1: retake the lead. And what was a back and forth 114 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 1: game for much of the night, and another Derrick Henry fumble, 115 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:27,560 Speaker 1: Aiden Hudgson comes from behind leaping punch right on the 116 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 1: ball and the Lions recover and then and go and. 117 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 3: Kick a field gold extended lead back to seven. 118 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:38,839 Speaker 1: So, I mean, that's got to be the most puzzling 119 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 1: thing of the season so far. Derek Henry had three 120 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 1: fumbles all of last season. He now has three and 121 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 1: three games. He's not a fumbler, right, Only twice in 122 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 1: his career has he had more than three fumbles in 123 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 1: a season. And I think everybody's at a loss, Derek included. 124 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 1: I mean after the fumble, he basically too hands on 125 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:04,279 Speaker 1: his helmet like in shock running walking back to the bench, 126 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:07,560 Speaker 1: and then slams his helmet onto the bench. Like this 127 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 1: is a guy who, as he said multiple times out 128 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 1: the game, I'm my own worst critic, and like they 129 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:20,480 Speaker 1: any any little tiny mistake eats Derrick Henry up, Like 130 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:22,479 Speaker 1: he gets the blocking assignment wrong. 131 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 3: It just burns him up and. 132 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 1: You know his WILLI Taggert, the Ravens running back coaches, 133 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 1: talked about getting texts very late at night from Derrick Henry, 134 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 1: you know, about something in practice that he didn't do 135 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:36,479 Speaker 1: right that's still bothering him, and he's like, dude, you 136 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 1: got to like let it go. I can't imagine what 137 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 1: three fumbles in three games from Derrick Henry is like, 138 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:45,599 Speaker 1: except the look on his face in the postgame locker room, 139 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 1: which is just like. 140 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:50,280 Speaker 3: He can't believe it. You know. I think he's kind 141 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 3: of beside himself. 142 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, we all saw it when after he came off 143 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:57,839 Speaker 2: the field and was clearly frustrated and emotional after that fumble. 144 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:03,039 Speaker 2: I think what made this one really only added to 145 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:06,479 Speaker 2: the frustration is that he felt like he was in 146 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:09,280 Speaker 2: composition and Aiden Hudginson made a really good play. He 147 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:11,800 Speaker 2: was basically behind the play and then came back up 148 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 2: the field. Henry had no idea that he was right 149 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 2: behind him and then punched out the ball, got his 150 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 2: hand right on it. He basically came out of nowhere 151 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 2: on that play. And part of the frustration for Henry 152 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 2: is that he was trying to piece together like what happened. 153 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 2: I was talking to everybody trying to figure out, like, 154 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:28,600 Speaker 2: how did that happen? And then you add on the 155 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:31,600 Speaker 2: fact that, like just the disappointment of it all, and 156 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 2: he is his own toughs critic. After the game in 157 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 2: Buffalo were refumbled, he addressed the team afterwards talked about 158 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 2: how this is on me. I took ownership of this. 159 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 2: And after the game today he said, I apologize to 160 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 2: my teammates and my coaches, the flock nation. Like he's 161 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 2: wearing this heavily. 162 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 3: Right, He's apologized to the entire fan base. Yeah, like 163 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 3: he feels this. 164 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 2: This is the guy that cares deeply and and he 165 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 2: works so hard where all everyone knows that and so 166 00:07:56,520 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 2: likes it's hard not to feel for him. For a 167 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 2: guy that like puts so much into this to have 168 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 2: these miscues. 169 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:05,720 Speaker 1: And similar feelings to Mark Andrews last year. Yeah, I 170 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 1: mean two very cut from the same cloth, those two guys. Yeah, 171 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 1: nobody works harder, nobody cares more than. 172 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 3: Those two guys. 173 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 1: And so like when and when two of your best 174 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 1: players are the ones making the biggest mistakes, it's just like, 175 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 1: what is happening here? And so it's It's some things 176 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:26,680 Speaker 1: you just can't explain, you know. I mean, could he 177 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 1: have had better ball position? Sure, Like you know, but 178 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 1: like the guy's run for a decade now and like 179 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 1: has a history of that. 180 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, hey, like it was it was pretty high and time. 181 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 2: It wasn't like he was too loosey goosey with it. 182 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean like yes, yes, I mean to some degree, 183 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 1: like there is a degree of bad luck right aiden 184 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:53,600 Speaker 1: Hudginson's retracing, uh and like just hand right on the ball. 185 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 1: Couldn't have punched it in a better spot right, That 186 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:57,199 Speaker 1: was like a knockout punch. 187 00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 3: And to a degree there's bad luck. And it's almost 188 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 3: like what do you do if you're Derek? 189 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 1: You know, like how do you practice that more right 190 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:07,120 Speaker 1: and still like play like yourself? 191 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 3: You know. 192 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 1: There was a quote this week that Derek said to me, 193 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 1: or said to the group of us I should say 194 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 1: when asked about the blocking against Cleveland because it was 195 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:20,720 Speaker 1: a rough day, you know, just yardage wise for Derick 196 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:24,000 Speaker 1: Henry against the Browns last week. He also had a 197 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:26,560 Speaker 1: fumble which was recovered by Toalm Wallace in that game. 198 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 1: But Derek, when asked about the blocking, was like if 199 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 1: there's not a hole. 200 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:30,960 Speaker 3: I got to make a hole. 201 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:36,959 Speaker 1: And sometimes to me, I'm like maybe, no, maybe, don't 202 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:39,440 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, like protect the ball and 203 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 1: get what you get. I don't think this was necessarily 204 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:45,720 Speaker 1: one of those situations. But like you know, Derek after 205 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 1: the game said, you know, I don't I got to 206 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:48,840 Speaker 1: practice it. 207 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:50,559 Speaker 3: Maybe be more cautious. I don't know. 208 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:54,200 Speaker 1: It's just tough for a player as good as Dereck Henry, 209 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:57,080 Speaker 1: wh's accomplished as Derrick Henry, Like you don't you in 210 00:09:57,120 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 1: some ways don't want them to change who Derrick Henry is. 211 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:03,000 Speaker 1: But he's he's got to stop fumbling the ball, you know. 212 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 1: So it's not an easy solution. 213 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 2: Well, the crazy thing about this is that, like he's 214 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 2: a guy that has been honestly, he's been dominant since 215 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 2: he's been in high school. I mean he is, like 216 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:14,439 Speaker 2: go back and look at his high school status. He 217 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:16,240 Speaker 2: had like six thousand rushing yards high school, was a 218 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:19,200 Speaker 2: Heisman Trophy winner in college, has built a Hall of 219 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 2: Fame resume in his career, and this stretch here of 220 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:25,400 Speaker 2: three fumbals and three games is uncharted territory in a 221 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:27,680 Speaker 2: lot of ways for him, who's gonna have a gold 222 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 2: jacket one day, and he's got to figure he got 223 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 2: to work his way through it. John Harball was asked 224 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 2: about it after the game and said that he doesn't 225 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 2: expect it to be an issue moving forward, but it's 226 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 2: also something that has to get corrected. And so like 227 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 2: I don't I don't know. I don't think that, like, 228 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:50,440 Speaker 2: is a guy gonna come up in the next game 229 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 2: and retrace the way Aidan Hussinson did and make a 230 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:55,200 Speaker 2: great play on the ball and pop it out like 231 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:57,560 Speaker 2: that type that was that was a great play by him. 232 00:10:57,559 --> 00:10:58,559 Speaker 3: So like I don't know. 233 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:01,559 Speaker 2: That, like that's a trend, but like you don't also 234 00:11:01,640 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 2: want it to to your point, you don't want it 235 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:06,719 Speaker 2: to alter the way that he's necessarily playing the game. 236 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 2: You don't want it on his mind at all times. 237 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 2: And it's going to be like it is gonna be 238 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:13,960 Speaker 2: there until until the course of a few games that 239 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:15,719 Speaker 2: you're not fumbling, Like it's gonna be. 240 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:18,439 Speaker 1: The defenders are gonna be taking their punches to I mean, 241 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 1: defenders are gonna they're gonna be saying in those defensive 242 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:24,439 Speaker 1: meeting rooms in Kansas City. This week, he's fumbled three 243 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:27,080 Speaker 1: times in three games. Go for the ball, go for 244 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:29,200 Speaker 1: the ball, go for the punch out, Like all right, 245 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:31,160 Speaker 1: you might get stiff arm, but go for that ball. 246 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:36,080 Speaker 3: And like so he's just gotta protect it better, you know. 247 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:40,280 Speaker 1: I mean, uh, it's it's it's tough for a player 248 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:43,520 Speaker 1: that has had this much success to see him struggle 249 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 1: in this way. I think it's kind of an anomaly 250 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:51,720 Speaker 1: to a degree. Like I'm not hitting the panic button 251 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 1: on Derrick Henry by any stretch of the imagination. I 252 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 1: think it'll work itself out. But until it does, it's 253 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:00,720 Speaker 1: gonna be on everybody his mind. 254 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 3: Yeah. 255 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:03,600 Speaker 2: The other thing, too, honestly, on the run game is 256 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 2: I just don't think the Ravens are running the ball 257 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:06,200 Speaker 2: effectively enough. 258 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, right now, that's to me, that's the bigger yes problem. 259 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:13,200 Speaker 1: I mean, situationally, the fumbles are an issue, but what's 260 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 1: Unravens like, like we talked about at the top of this, 261 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 1: is they're not running the ball particularly well, which has 262 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:23,679 Speaker 1: been this seam's bread and butter. And tonight, how many 263 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:24,800 Speaker 1: rushing yards did they have here? 264 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:28,520 Speaker 2: The offense had eighty five rushing yards total, fifty by 265 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:31,439 Speaker 2: Derrick Henry, fifty by Henry and like early on you 266 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 2: felt like, okay, this is gonna be that we're back 267 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:36,200 Speaker 2: to normal, because a week ago the Browns really sold 268 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:38,559 Speaker 2: out to stop the run and it was the lowest 269 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:41,240 Speaker 2: rushing total Dereck Henry has had in a Ravens uniform. Well, 270 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:43,680 Speaker 2: then early on in this game, he rate scampers for 271 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:46,360 Speaker 2: a touchdown and makes a great move on that play, 272 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:48,599 Speaker 2: gets into the open grass and takes it to the 273 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:50,439 Speaker 2: house quarter twenty eight yard touchdown. 274 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:51,240 Speaker 3: They're like, here we go. 275 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:53,080 Speaker 2: He had more yards on that touchdown run than he 276 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:54,679 Speaker 2: had all last week. And you're thinking, like, all right, 277 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 2: here we go. That was the one game anomally we're 278 00:12:56,640 --> 00:12:59,680 Speaker 2: back to normal here. And then there was kind of 279 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 2: tough sledding the rest of the way. Even when the 280 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 2: Ravens were on the goal line, they couldn't punch it 281 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:07,600 Speaker 2: in with Henry, and typically in his career and during 282 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:09,120 Speaker 2: his sign with the Ravens, like you get him the 283 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:10,880 Speaker 2: ball at one yard line, just go ahead and that's 284 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:14,600 Speaker 2: six points automatic first And it wasn't the case tonight. 285 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:16,719 Speaker 2: And so it's just that they haven't been able to 286 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:21,160 Speaker 2: run the ball effectively enough. And I know Henry's putting 287 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 2: a lot of that on his shoulders, saying I need 288 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:24,920 Speaker 2: to be better. But it also seems like at the 289 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 2: line of scrimmage, the Ravens are having a tough time 290 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:29,240 Speaker 2: winning the line of scrimmage the last two weeks. 291 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:30,719 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's right. 292 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 1: I mean, the run game here in Baltimore has been 293 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 1: the strength of the team for a number of years, 294 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 1: and that also includes the Lamar Jackson run game. And 295 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 1: I thought the Lions also really put the clamps on that. 296 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 1: Lamar really didn't get loose throughout the game. They used 297 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:51,040 Speaker 1: a spy on him frequently and did it quite well. 298 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:54,400 Speaker 1: I asked Lamar Jackson. You know, Lamar cited the spy 299 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 1: as a problem. I asked him, well, you've seen a 300 00:13:57,520 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 1: spy before. What were the Lions doing differently? He said, 301 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:05,719 Speaker 1: they're basically just doing it. Well, yeah, but that was 302 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 1: causing problems. I think that also led to seven sacks, 303 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 1: which is way too many sacks. And you know, Lamar's 304 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:16,320 Speaker 1: kind of looking down the field trying to make a play, 305 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:18,719 Speaker 1: trying to extend the play with his legs, and then 306 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:20,200 Speaker 1: they're flying that spy is. 307 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 3: Flying downhill on him and they eventually close it. 308 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:26,800 Speaker 1: And so whatever the Lions did defensively, especially with that 309 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:29,000 Speaker 1: spy and the kind of the too deep coverage. The 310 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 1: Ravens are gonna have to go to work on that 311 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:33,760 Speaker 1: because it's a copycat league and other teams are going 312 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 1: to try to simulate that. 313 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:35,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's a good point. 314 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:37,280 Speaker 2: Like we've seen that plenty of times, like when the 315 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:40,520 Speaker 2: Ravens have a bad offensive showing. I'm not going to 316 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:43,000 Speaker 2: say tonight was a bad offensive showing that they finished 317 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:46,880 Speaker 2: with thirty points the late touchdown, but I'm not saying 318 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 2: it was a bad offensive showing. But it wasn't they 319 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:51,520 Speaker 2: put up over forty the first two games of the season. 320 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 2: But I do think that that spy caused issues, And 321 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:58,800 Speaker 2: so I'm with you, Like I go back to several 322 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:01,880 Speaker 2: years ago now the Miami game on a Thursday night, 323 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 2: the cover zero blitz and then it was like everybody 324 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:06,080 Speaker 2: was doing the cover zero and so I don't know 325 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 2: if it's going to go that extreme, but like, I 326 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 2: will not be surprised one bit if we see a 327 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:15,200 Speaker 2: spy with Kansas City next week based on some of 328 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:18,120 Speaker 2: the challenges that Detroit caused in tonight's game. 329 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:20,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, and certainly that's nothing new this is not the 330 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:22,800 Speaker 1: first time again that a team has used a spy 331 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:25,520 Speaker 1: on Lamar jacks It's not a novel idea, but there's 332 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 1: a lot of intricacies to that also, And so the 333 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 1: just the rush plan in general for the Lions I 334 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:36,160 Speaker 1: thought was pretty darn good, and quite frankly, the Ravens 335 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 1: offensive line just didn't do a good enough job of 336 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 1: blocking for Lamar Jackson. 337 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 3: And sometimes Lamar needs to get the ball out a 338 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:43,000 Speaker 3: little bit bit faster, you know, And. 339 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:47,240 Speaker 1: Those two things play into each other. Part of the 340 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:49,720 Speaker 1: magic of Lamar is, you know, and he did it 341 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 1: at times tonight, is he can skip around, extend plays 342 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:56,000 Speaker 1: and make unreal throws, which he did some tonight. But 343 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:59,160 Speaker 1: sometimes when you're escaping and run around in the backfield 344 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 1: and trying to make something happen and they clamp down 345 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 1: on you, they get you. And they got them several 346 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 1: times tonight, and it was costly. 347 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 3: Yeah. 348 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 2: Another area where I want to see the offense just 349 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:14,040 Speaker 2: play a little bit more a little better situationally is 350 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:15,840 Speaker 2: when they're around the goal line, like they just have 351 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:19,040 Speaker 2: not been all that effective around the goal line tonight. 352 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:21,640 Speaker 2: Is an example, like then the tes walker gets them 353 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:24,440 Speaker 2: down inside the five on a big play and they're 354 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:26,880 Speaker 2: not able to punch it in. They're going backwards on 355 00:16:26,920 --> 00:16:30,120 Speaker 2: that drive, end up turning it over on downs and 356 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:33,280 Speaker 2: like even it was late and I don't know how 357 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 2: much it really mattered, but like they score, they go 358 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 2: for two, they basically get two shots at the two 359 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:41,680 Speaker 2: point conversion because of a penalty. Neither of them are complete, 360 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 2: and like this is something we've seen throughout this year 361 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:47,680 Speaker 2: at times, even go back to last year in the 362 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:51,520 Speaker 2: playoff game, and so like being better around around the 363 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 2: goal line, like that's where games are won and loss yea. 364 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 3: And the thing that's just. 365 00:16:56,800 --> 00:17:00,400 Speaker 2: So difficult is like they seem like they're built to 366 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:03,000 Speaker 2: be great at the goal line with Derrick Henry, with Lamar. 367 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:05,960 Speaker 3: To respect Lamar's legs, right, Like Mark Anders is. 368 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 2: A touchdown machine, rare Shan Bateman is really good, and 369 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:10,560 Speaker 2: that part of the field, say Flowers can get open, 370 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:13,280 Speaker 2: you have DeAndre Hopkins now, Like it's mystifying to me 371 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:16,480 Speaker 2: because they have all these pieces and weapons that you're like, oh, 372 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 2: this team should be able to score one hundred percent 373 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:21,040 Speaker 2: of the time they're inside the five yard line, and 374 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:22,280 Speaker 2: it just hasn't been that way. 375 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:25,639 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's another riddle. 376 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:27,639 Speaker 1: I would say that Todd Munkin is going to be 377 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:31,040 Speaker 1: asked about this week, and I'm sure that's bothering him 378 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:33,919 Speaker 1: as well. They need to be better down there inside 379 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:38,879 Speaker 1: the five. There's no ifsens or butts about it. One 380 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:42,639 Speaker 1: to me, I think is the defense. You give up 381 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:45,399 Speaker 1: a ninety eight and ninety six yard drives. Those are 382 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:46,320 Speaker 1: back breaking drives. 383 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:48,359 Speaker 3: You just can't. 384 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:51,680 Speaker 1: You can't give up back breaking drives like that, even 385 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:52,360 Speaker 1: for your own good. 386 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:53,120 Speaker 3: I mean, I think that. 387 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 1: The first one of those, the ninety eight yard drive, 388 00:17:57,200 --> 00:18:01,000 Speaker 1: took ten minutes off the clock, more than ten minutes. 389 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:05,120 Speaker 1: I mean, that's also We'll wait and see the snap counts, 390 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 1: but I think the defense was on the field a 391 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:10,360 Speaker 1: lot in part because the offense isn't running the ball 392 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 1: very well, so it's been kind of a big play, 393 00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 1: quick strike offense thus far. The defense is playing a 394 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:20,240 Speaker 1: lot of snaps. Again, you know, I'm not making excuses. 395 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:22,439 Speaker 1: It's got to be better than this, but like and 396 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:26,000 Speaker 1: to their own because of their own mistakes, that's why 397 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:27,919 Speaker 1: they're on the field for so long too. Yeah, not 398 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:30,640 Speaker 1: getting off the field on third down and then fourth down, 399 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:34,680 Speaker 1: Lions were just better situationally than the Ravens. Where you 400 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:36,600 Speaker 1: talk about the goal line situation. The Lions were three 401 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:41,520 Speaker 1: for three on fourth down, including a pitch a really 402 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 1: clever play down near the goal line with a handoff 403 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:47,760 Speaker 1: to Amana Rossain Brown and then he pitched it outside 404 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:51,120 Speaker 1: to Jamier and Gibbs for a touchdown. And then one 405 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:54,040 Speaker 1: near midfield where the Lions only were up by a 406 00:18:54,080 --> 00:18:57,720 Speaker 1: touchdown and they go for it fourth and two and 407 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:00,600 Speaker 1: get the huge play late in the fourth to basically 408 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:05,439 Speaker 1: ice the game. So you know, that's the other element 409 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:08,000 Speaker 1: is like the Ravens just haven't they They haven't made 410 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:10,639 Speaker 1: the clutch plays in the clutch moments in either of 411 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:14,159 Speaker 1: their losses. Yeah, that's just if you know Buffalo and 412 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 1: here tonight, the other team made clutch plays and clutch 413 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:18,119 Speaker 1: situations and the Ravens are not. 414 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 2: You talk about those long drives, the word that Kyle 415 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:25,520 Speaker 2: Hamilton used, which I think is fitting, is demoralizing when 416 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:29,680 Speaker 2: you have those kind of drives. And again on characteristic, 417 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:31,440 Speaker 2: you think when the when the Ravens have a team 418 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:34,440 Speaker 2: pinned back and the shadow of their own goalposts in 419 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:36,720 Speaker 2: this atmosphere, I mean, it was rocking here tonight. It 420 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:39,439 Speaker 2: was loud, it was a difficult environment, and when you 421 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:43,120 Speaker 2: have an away team in that situation, you think, here's 422 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:44,840 Speaker 2: the three, they're just trying to get a few yards, 423 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:46,080 Speaker 2: and then punts act like. 424 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:48,040 Speaker 3: That's what you're thinking. They're trying to get the punters 425 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:48,360 Speaker 3: some room. 426 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:50,760 Speaker 2: And then it's like on first down, boom, like eight 427 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:53,440 Speaker 2: yard run and you're like, okay that now they're off 428 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:56,000 Speaker 2: to the races, right they pick it up chunks and 429 00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:59,119 Speaker 2: those are just the things that we're not used to 430 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 2: seeing from this de and yeah, like Detroit, Man, like 431 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:07,600 Speaker 2: they came up when they had key situations you mentioned 432 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 2: three for three on fourth down. Two of those were 433 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:15,240 Speaker 2: like game they were basically the game changing plays. One 434 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:19,040 Speaker 2: of them essentially ice the game. And then David Montgomery 435 00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:22,320 Speaker 2: had the long run or was the Jamier Gibbs late 436 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:25,159 Speaker 2: in the game. Yeah, they accomplished a lot of long 437 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 2: runs here, but they had they had they go for 438 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:30,000 Speaker 2: it on fourth and two and basically ice the game. 439 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:32,000 Speaker 2: And then on that on that fourth down the goal 440 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:34,919 Speaker 2: line just was a really nifty play with armand ros 441 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 2: Saint Brown on the pitch play and like that, Uh, 442 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:43,040 Speaker 2: to be able to convert those plays is what makes 443 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:45,719 Speaker 2: a difference in winning a loss, and the Lions were 444 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 2: able to make those plays in this game. The one 445 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 2: other point too, that I want to make on the 446 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:54,360 Speaker 2: defense is, uh, they just were not getting enough pressure 447 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:55,919 Speaker 2: on on Jared. 448 00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:58,760 Speaker 3: Zero sax, zero sacks the Lions seven. 449 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:02,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, and and they and Marlon Humphrey and talking about it. 450 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:04,960 Speaker 2: The point that he made is like they weren't disruptive enough. 451 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:06,119 Speaker 3: They weren't getting. 452 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:09,159 Speaker 1: Them zero takeaway zero sacks, right, they weren't enough to 453 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:09,640 Speaker 1: win that way. 454 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:13,320 Speaker 2: They weren't getting the Lions like off schedule at all. 455 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:17,160 Speaker 2: And so they're not disrupting things in the backfield, you're 456 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:19,600 Speaker 2: not getting pressure. Like they can kind of operate the 457 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:21,600 Speaker 2: way they wanted to operate their offense, and like that's 458 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:23,320 Speaker 2: what the lines are so good at. They established the 459 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:26,639 Speaker 2: ground game, they run play action, They have a whole 460 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:28,760 Speaker 2: bag of cool trick plays that they break out. 461 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:30,720 Speaker 3: This was the script for the Lions offense. 462 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:34,000 Speaker 1: They followed their perfect script for the most part in 463 00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:36,840 Speaker 1: tonight's game. It's not a good feeling for the Ravens defense. 464 00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:39,280 Speaker 1: That's demoralizing when the other team comes into your stadium 465 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:40,720 Speaker 1: and they basically just run the. 466 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:43,359 Speaker 2: Show and that's what they were able to do. And 467 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 2: so like that, going back to the pressure piece again, 468 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:52,160 Speaker 2: you're out Kyle Vanoi, you're without nom the Ota BK 469 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:55,480 Speaker 2: not going to minimize those Those are significant losses. But 470 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 2: you need to find a way to get pressure on 471 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:00,240 Speaker 2: the quarterback, and the Ravens just were not able to 472 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:00,800 Speaker 2: do it tonight. 473 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:02,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, some of those other guys, we talked 474 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:04,560 Speaker 1: about it all week. Those guys are gonna have to 475 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 1: step up, and it just happened tonight. Again, the Lions 476 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:11,000 Speaker 1: have a good offensive line. That's a tough line to 477 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:12,919 Speaker 1: get pressure on. You know, we're talking about we're all 478 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:15,480 Speaker 1: excited for Mike Green while he's going against Penai Sewell, 479 00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:18,080 Speaker 1: who's one of the best right tackles in football. You know, 480 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:20,880 Speaker 1: Taylor Decker on the other side is a pretty darn 481 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:21,639 Speaker 1: good left tackle. 482 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:21,920 Speaker 3: Yea. 483 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:26,080 Speaker 1: And so but with that said, like there's blitz is, 484 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 1: there's other ways to get pressure none if it works 485 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:29,600 Speaker 1: for the Ravens tonight. 486 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:31,680 Speaker 3: So we're gonna take a quick break. 487 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:33,320 Speaker 2: When we come back, we'll give our final thoughts on 488 00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:35,400 Speaker 2: this game and talk about where the Ravens go from here. 489 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:38,119 Speaker 2: You're listening to the Latch podcast where you're coming to 490 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:39,800 Speaker 2: from the Seat Geek Studio. We want to mention our 491 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:42,159 Speaker 2: partners with Draft King Sportsbook. They are an official sports 492 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:45,119 Speaker 2: betting partner of the Baltimore Ravens Draft Kings Sportsbook. The 493 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:47,880 Speaker 2: Crown is yours. So I know there's not too many 494 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 2: people probably in the positive mood after this game, but 495 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:52,480 Speaker 2: a couple of notes that I do think are good signs. 496 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:56,200 Speaker 2: It's good to see Mark Andrews get going in this game. 497 00:22:56,240 --> 00:23:00,440 Speaker 2: Had two touchdowns again, one was late, but he was 498 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:03,119 Speaker 2: more featured in this offense. And that touchdown that he 499 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:06,199 Speaker 2: had was a great catch and like as perfect of 500 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:08,800 Speaker 2: a throw as you're going to stay throw in any 501 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:12,040 Speaker 2: level of football. Like that was a perfect pitch and 502 00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:15,480 Speaker 2: catch from Lamar to Mark and a really key piece 503 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 2: part of that game. And so I think it was 504 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:20,399 Speaker 2: just good to see Mark be a featured guy and 505 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:23,520 Speaker 2: show you know he still got it well. 506 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:26,639 Speaker 1: The one of the talking points going into the game 507 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:29,679 Speaker 1: was where's Mark Andrews and where's the Shoan Bateman. They 508 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:32,680 Speaker 1: were the two leading receivers tonight, Mark Andrews six targets, 509 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:35,919 Speaker 1: Rashat Bateman seven targets. Mark caught six for ninety one, 510 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:39,440 Speaker 1: Roshat Bateman five for sixty three. Bateman also had a touchdown. 511 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:43,560 Speaker 1: So yeah, seeing those two guys have kind of a 512 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 1: breakout game early in this season. You know, it's no 513 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:48,879 Speaker 1: surprise for them. Both have had a ton of success 514 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:51,280 Speaker 1: over their careers. And it wasn't something that I was 515 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:53,600 Speaker 1: like worried about. I mean, Ack, the offense had put 516 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:58,040 Speaker 1: up forty points for each game coming into tonight, so 517 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:01,199 Speaker 1: you knew it was it was gonna come eventually for 518 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:03,720 Speaker 1: those two players. I mean, and on the flip side, 519 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:06,239 Speaker 1: you know, yeah, you're happy about that. There's a lot 520 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:08,120 Speaker 1: of people out there that are like, well, why didn't 521 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:09,120 Speaker 1: say Flowers get more? 522 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:09,400 Speaker 3: Yeah? 523 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:11,800 Speaker 1: Right, this is just the conversation we're gonna have every 524 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:15,640 Speaker 1: single week because not everybody can get seven targets. Yeah, 525 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:18,560 Speaker 1: so Zay Flowers had three targets, caught two passes for 526 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:19,520 Speaker 1: thirteen yards. 527 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 3: You know, people are gonna be like, what the heck. 528 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:23,960 Speaker 1: We forget about Zay Flower? You know, So this is 529 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:26,120 Speaker 1: just how it's gonna work. I just would never get 530 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:29,840 Speaker 1: caught too caught up too much in the whole targets. 531 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:32,280 Speaker 3: To be honest, It's gonna vary per game. I don't know. 532 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:36,000 Speaker 1: Did the Lions do something to take away Zay Flowers 533 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:36,680 Speaker 1: more than usual. 534 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:37,119 Speaker 3: I don't know. 535 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:41,600 Speaker 1: Brayson, our producer, says they were holding him. 536 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:43,119 Speaker 3: Maybe that's the case. We'd have to go back and 537 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:43,600 Speaker 3: look at that. 538 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:46,960 Speaker 1: He might get held a lot, you know, considering how 539 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:50,560 Speaker 1: fast the start he got off to. So but you know, 540 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:52,920 Speaker 1: we'll see. I think that game by game, the Ravens 541 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:54,439 Speaker 1: are gonna be able to pivot. They need to be 542 00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:57,040 Speaker 1: able to pivot and use different weapons. 543 00:24:57,400 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 3: I was surprised that he didn't get more targets, just 544 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:00,919 Speaker 3: like I'm like. 545 00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:04,520 Speaker 2: The game played out the way that it did, but 546 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:06,400 Speaker 2: like I actually thought this could be a game where 547 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:09,920 Speaker 2: like this is your yeah, could just be a double 548 00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:11,840 Speaker 2: digit game for him in terms of targets, Like I 549 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:14,359 Speaker 2: thought that based on how good he was the first 550 00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:17,520 Speaker 2: two weeks and just his ability to Again, I just 551 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:19,720 Speaker 2: keep using the phrase like jump start the offense, like 552 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:23,080 Speaker 2: if if he just is like if the offense needs 553 00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:24,840 Speaker 2: a spark, he's the guy to provide it. And I 554 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:27,520 Speaker 2: was a little surprised that it didn't play out that way. 555 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:32,120 Speaker 2: But but again I agree with you wholeheartedly in that, 556 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:34,439 Speaker 2: like there's gonna be somebody that's left out of the 557 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:36,640 Speaker 2: mix every week because it's just not possible to get 558 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:38,680 Speaker 2: everybody the ball every single week. And so I thought, 559 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:41,360 Speaker 2: I think it was good to see Andrews and Bateman 560 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:44,199 Speaker 2: getting the action and they both look good, So I 561 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:48,160 Speaker 2: thought that was encouraging. Yeah, now like the Ravens now 562 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:51,680 Speaker 2: they go the truth is like, look, this loss is it. 563 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:56,320 Speaker 2: It hurts. It was not the best displayed by any means. 564 00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:58,560 Speaker 2: And I think that this game is forcing this team 565 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:00,480 Speaker 2: to take kind of a hard look in the mirror. 566 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:03,600 Speaker 2: And that was definitely like the refrain that we heard 567 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:07,760 Speaker 2: from guys afterwards. Yeah, but like like, well the Lines 568 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:08,480 Speaker 2: are a really good team. 569 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:08,959 Speaker 3: I was. 570 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:12,400 Speaker 1: That's kind of my point is like going into this game, 571 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:14,119 Speaker 1: this is a billing of like, okay, is this a 572 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:18,280 Speaker 1: potential super Bowl preview? Yeah, well it's a wake up call. 573 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:20,040 Speaker 1: And La March Jaxson said they've had three wake up 574 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:21,680 Speaker 1: calls now. They had a wake up call in Buffalo, 575 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:23,560 Speaker 1: wake up call against the Browns because they got off 576 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:25,080 Speaker 1: to a slow start, and a wake up call tonight. 577 00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:27,919 Speaker 3: So hopefully the Ravens are awake. Gotten three calls. 578 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:31,440 Speaker 1: But like this was a potential Super Bowl preview, and 579 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:33,800 Speaker 1: if it was right now, the Ravens aren't good enough. 580 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:37,720 Speaker 1: That's that's the cold, hard truth right now. Now we're 581 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:39,960 Speaker 1: in week three, there's a lot of times to get 582 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,040 Speaker 1: better and to get good enough. Right I'm not going 583 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:44,679 Speaker 1: to sit here and be like, oh my gosh, you 584 00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:47,640 Speaker 1: know we're sunk by any not that way, by any 585 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:49,359 Speaker 1: stretches of the imagination. But they got to get better 586 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:53,480 Speaker 1: in multiple fastests. And John Harbal was pretty clear about that. Yeah, 587 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,280 Speaker 1: said was not good enough in the runs. Defense, was 588 00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:58,600 Speaker 1: not good enough. Running the ball was not good enough 589 00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:01,080 Speaker 1: in multiple areas this game. In the pass rush, not 590 00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:04,320 Speaker 1: good enough. John Harwell said, he was pretty clear. You know, 591 00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:06,840 Speaker 1: he wasn't glossing over this loss. And I don't think 592 00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:07,480 Speaker 1: the Ravens will. 593 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:09,480 Speaker 3: I think it's a. 594 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:12,280 Speaker 1: It's a big game coming up here in Kansas City. 595 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:15,080 Speaker 1: That's like this big game on Sunday, like you want 596 00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:15,520 Speaker 1: to win it. 597 00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:19,120 Speaker 3: It stings, but it's far from far NFC opponent. 598 00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:21,680 Speaker 1: Yes, and the Ravens are very much in the AFC 599 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:24,560 Speaker 1: North chase that I would still say that the Ravens 600 00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:27,239 Speaker 1: are the strongest team in the AFC North. They are 601 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:32,040 Speaker 1: still gonna the favored team to win this division. You 602 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:34,600 Speaker 1: lose to an NFC team in a measuring stick kind 603 00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:37,199 Speaker 1: of game, all right, doesn't feel good, feels like a 604 00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:40,639 Speaker 1: gut punch. I think the Ravens are still in good position. 605 00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:42,960 Speaker 1: But in order to beat a team like the Lions 606 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,280 Speaker 1: down the road potentially and reach those goals that you 607 00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:47,240 Speaker 1: ultimately have, you're gonna have to get better. 608 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:49,920 Speaker 2: And I think that that comes back to this game 609 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:52,480 Speaker 2: in Kansas City, which the implications of that game. I 610 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:55,520 Speaker 2: think we're only elevated after this because you have two 611 00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:58,399 Speaker 2: teams there who are both one and two yep, and 612 00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:01,040 Speaker 2: it's it's been a disciplin winning started the season for 613 00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:04,400 Speaker 2: both of those teams, and one of them is leaving 614 00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:06,399 Speaker 2: Kansas City next week at one of three and then 615 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:10,240 Speaker 2: hold them and those coming into the season, everyone felt 616 00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:11,919 Speaker 2: like these are two of the best teams in the 617 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,760 Speaker 2: a f C. And so I think that that only 618 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:16,959 Speaker 2: adds to the importance of this game. And the Ravens 619 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,800 Speaker 2: are quickly turning the page and focusing on this one 620 00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:21,879 Speaker 2: because they know what's at stake a short week on 621 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:23,760 Speaker 2: a short week, so we'll. 622 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:25,560 Speaker 3: Be talking about that all week. As always, you can. 623 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:28,120 Speaker 2: Email us at the lounge at Ravens dot NFL dot net. 624 00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:29,919 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for listening and we will be 625 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:31,920 Speaker 2: back with you again later this week.