WEBVTT - Immigration Reform Preview.  Mark Krikorian talks to Armstrong & Getty

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<v Speaker 1>on our yes. Talking about immigration and Trump's unveiling a

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<v Speaker 1>major immigration proposal today that should, as far as I

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<v Speaker 1>can tell, we're checking the polling on all the different points,

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<v Speaker 1>should be overwhelmingly easily approved by our government since most

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<v Speaker 1>people by far ear in favorite. The key part of

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<v Speaker 1>Trump's immigration idea is merit. Based the polling on that

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<v Speaker 1>answer this question, Should our immigration system be based still

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<v Speaker 1>on a person's ability to contribute to America? Eighty four

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<v Speaker 1>percent agree with that, as opposed to should it be

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<v Speaker 1>based on person having relatives in the United States? It's

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<v Speaker 1>only least sixteen percent for that, so it's eighty four

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<v Speaker 1>to sixteen prefer a merit baite system, which is what

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<v Speaker 1>Trump is gonna um uh talk about today. The lowest

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<v Speaker 1>support for a merit based immigration system is among African Americans.

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<v Speaker 1>It's still over two thirds for black people, seventy among

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<v Speaker 1>self identified Democrats and liberals. Eighty three percent of Hispanic

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<v Speaker 1>respondents agreed with that statement. This is a Harris poll

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<v Speaker 1>out of Harvard, so that shouldn't be hard at all.

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<v Speaker 1>But um because Trump. One of the things Trump is

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<v Speaker 1>gonna put out there is he's not gonna lower the

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<v Speaker 1>number of people coming into the country. He's gonna keep

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<v Speaker 1>that flat. That's one of the reasons this Republican strategist

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<v Speaker 1>I'm reading about in this article says it's dead on arrival.

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<v Speaker 1>The whole thing is dead on arrival. Interesting. Mark Corrian

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<v Speaker 1>is a nationally recognized expert on immigration issues. He is

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<v Speaker 1>the executive director for the Center for Immigration Studies and

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<v Speaker 1>a frequent guest on the Armstrong and get A show

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<v Speaker 1>and joins us. Now, Mark, how are you. I'm doing

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<v Speaker 1>very well? Thank you. I'm guessing there's some to love

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<v Speaker 1>and some to dislike in this plan. What's your reaction

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<v Speaker 1>to it? As you understand it thus far. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>think that's a good way to put it. There's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot to love in this plan and it's got it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's both illegal immigration measures. Some of this uh fixes

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<v Speaker 1>to plug the loopholes that are actually incentivizing the Central

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<v Speaker 1>Americans to come up across the border. And then also

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<v Speaker 1>the part you were talking about, the merit based parts.

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<v Speaker 1>So what it does is it narrows the range of

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<v Speaker 1>relatives you can bring in. You still bring in husbands, wives,

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<v Speaker 1>and little kids, but it gets rid of some of

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<v Speaker 1>the other categories for you know, adult brothers and sisters

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<v Speaker 1>and what have you, and then moves all of those

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<v Speaker 1>numbers over to a new merit based system. And I

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<v Speaker 1>mean merit based is what the presidents called. It mean

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<v Speaker 1>those people are better morally. It just means that they're

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<v Speaker 1>more likely to be educated and skill that sort of thing.

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<v Speaker 1>That's all to the good. A country that wants to

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<v Speaker 1>better educated, more skilled people coming in just off as fashion. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it is shocking and in fact a lot of lobbyists

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<v Speaker 1>have been complaining, corporate lobbyists saying no, no, we need

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<v Speaker 1>lots of uneducated um people to do you know, grunt

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<v Speaker 1>work and stoop labor, And I'm like, this is a

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<v Speaker 1>modern society, why do we want that. There's nothing wrong

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<v Speaker 1>with them. In other words, they're not morally defective because

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<v Speaker 1>they didn't pass the sixth grade. They're regular people like

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<v Speaker 1>anyone else. But what is a modern economy like ours?

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<v Speaker 1>Why do we need more people with less education? It's

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<v Speaker 1>just not right. Well, and you're in a weird class

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<v Speaker 1>system if you. If you decide as a country, you

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<v Speaker 1>know what we want is dumb people to do the

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<v Speaker 1>kind of work we hate. We're gonna import a foreign underclass. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>It is kind of like the Middle East, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>where they import people to do all of their work

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<v Speaker 1>and then the Arab Chics and the rest of them

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<v Speaker 1>just sit there and benefit from it. But and this

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<v Speaker 1>is the one big problem I have with this is

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<v Speaker 1>that this isn't really a bill that's going to pass.

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<v Speaker 1>This is more like a statement of goals and principles,

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like almost a campaign document. And I don't

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<v Speaker 1>mean that in a bad way. It's just laying out

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<v Speaker 1>what the White House is for on immigration, not just

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<v Speaker 1>what it's against. And that's good. The problem is it

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't contain even a modest cut back in legal immigration.

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<v Speaker 1>It embraces and endorses the current level of one point

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<v Speaker 1>one million new immigrants every year. And that's a problem,

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<v Speaker 1>especially in a document that is basically presenting itself as

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<v Speaker 1>a sort of campaign platform, because the fact is that

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<v Speaker 1>there are lots of problems with taking in more than

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<v Speaker 1>one million new immigrants every year, even when the economy

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<v Speaker 1>is good like now. And it would be good if

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<v Speaker 1>the White House followed through on the President's commitments from before,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, he became president, during the campaign, where he

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<v Speaker 1>said he wanted a more moderate, somewhat lower level of

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<v Speaker 1>legal immigration. And it's just not in there. And I

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<v Speaker 1>think that's a serious problem. Mark Corey and Executive Director,

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<v Speaker 1>Center for Immigration Studies on the line talking about the

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<v Speaker 1>president's new proposal. So listen, people spend their lives reading

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<v Speaker 1>in the mainstream media that immigration all immigration. Isn't that

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<v Speaker 1>a positive? Um? So I think you need to at

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<v Speaker 1>least briefly make the case why would you reduce lawful immigration. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of reasons. The basic overarching reason is

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<v Speaker 1>that high levels of immigration are a problem for a

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<v Speaker 1>modern society. In a way that wasn't the case a

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<v Speaker 1>hundred or two hundred years ago. In other words, what's

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<v Speaker 1>what the problem today is is not that the immigrants

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<v Speaker 1>are different. There are no better or worse than anybody else.

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<v Speaker 1>They're just regular people. Our economy and our society and

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<v Speaker 1>everything has changed. We have a post and the austrial

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<v Speaker 1>knowledge based economy, we have a welfare state, we have

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<v Speaker 1>an assimilation system in our schools and what have you

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<v Speaker 1>that isn't working very well. I mean, we're not even

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<v Speaker 1>teaching our own kids what it is to be an American,

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<v Speaker 1>let alone immigrant kids or kids from immigrant families who

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<v Speaker 1>don't you know, who don't know and so and even

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<v Speaker 1>um the security aspect of immigration. If we're gonna let

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<v Speaker 1>in lots more skilled immigrants, that means lots more people

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<v Speaker 1>from China and India, and frankly, the Chinese have been

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<v Speaker 1>aggressively using foreign students and immigrants as um, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>for their for espionage purposes. It doesn't mean all of them,

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<v Speaker 1>and most of them are just regular people, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>a serious problem. And so the fact is that high

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<v Speaker 1>levels of immigration, however you arrange it, are a problem

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<v Speaker 1>for a modern society like ours. And acknowledging that just

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<v Speaker 1>by saying maybe cutting the level five or ten percent

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<v Speaker 1>in this proposal would acknowledge that there are problems there

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<v Speaker 1>that we need to deal with. And frankly, there was

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<v Speaker 1>just pulling by the same Harvard Paris poll that you

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<v Speaker 1>just referred to, where they asked people, what do you

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<v Speaker 1>think the president's number one priority should be? And among

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<v Speaker 1>people who voted for Trump, almost the same percentage said

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<v Speaker 1>reducing immigration as did say build the wall, and both

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<v Speaker 1>of those were the number one and number two goals

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<v Speaker 1>for people who voted for Trump. People identify as Republicans

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<v Speaker 1>or Conservatives, so this is an important issue for his base,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think they're misreading their own voters concerns by

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<v Speaker 1>ignoring all together concerns about taking in, like I said,

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<v Speaker 1>one point one million new immigrants every year. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>let's touch on one more thing, at least briefly, if

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<v Speaker 1>you can, uh the way the immigration system is being

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<v Speaker 1>exploited currently by the cartels, the human track pickers, and

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<v Speaker 1>what this measure does about that. You mentioned removing some

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<v Speaker 1>of the incentives for for flouting the system. What stands out. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we haven't seen all the details yet, but it's almost

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<v Speaker 1>certain they are going to be things. Uh, they're going

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<v Speaker 1>to be measures, for instance, to fix the rule that

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<v Speaker 1>we're currently stuck with that says you can't keep a

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<v Speaker 1>minor an the illegal immigrant under eighteen in detention for

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<v Speaker 1>more than twenty days. What that means is if you

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<v Speaker 1>bring a kid with you and then we detain you

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<v Speaker 1>because you're an illegal immigrant, or say you're applying for asylum. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>but it takes a while for that case to work out,

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<v Speaker 1>and most people don't get asylum, they just use it

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<v Speaker 1>as a way of getting past the border patrol. But

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<v Speaker 1>if you bring a kid with you, we either have

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<v Speaker 1>to let the kid go within three weeks and split

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<v Speaker 1>the family by keeping the adult in detention and exactly,

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<v Speaker 1>or we let the parent go to And so what

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<v Speaker 1>has now become is if you bring a kid with you,

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<v Speaker 1>that kid is a ticket to guaranteed release into the

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<v Speaker 1>United States. Whether you end up showing up for hearings

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<v Speaker 1>or what have you after, that is something we don't

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<v Speaker 1>have any control over, right And the cars literally yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they're advertising with the cartels are advertising in Central America,

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<v Speaker 1>bring a kid with you. It's a golden ticket into

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<v Speaker 1>the US, and people are taking them up on that offer.

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<v Speaker 1>And that has to be fixed. That's one of the

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<v Speaker 1>things in this proposal that would be fixed. We are

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<v Speaker 1>going to check in with Mark tomorrow when the details

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<v Speaker 1>of the plan come out, and we will look forward

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<v Speaker 1>to that market Coryon and the Center for Immigration Studies.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks Mark, good to talk to you. We'll talk to you.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you, all right. And one aspect of this plane

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<v Speaker 1>that I really really like is it says, look, you

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<v Speaker 1>apply for refugee status in your country period. You don't

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<v Speaker 1>show up without an appointment. You can't do that at

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<v Speaker 1>your hair salon and ala, go to a barbershop and

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<v Speaker 1>you can, but you know you can't do that virtually

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<v Speaker 1>anywhere of seriousness. Doctor's office, denis officers, Hey, I need

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<v Speaker 1>a cleaning, just doesn't work that way. You apply for

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<v Speaker 1>refugee status in your country period, you can't show up

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<v Speaker 1>and demand to be let in. So the biggest change

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<v Speaker 1>would be to switch in the merit based I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>that would be standing our current system on its head.

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<v Speaker 1>But if if organizations like MARS organization and I understand

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<v Speaker 1>his argument, I could even agree with him. But if

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<v Speaker 1>you're gonna pick out yeah, but I don't like this part,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you always get to that we need comprehensive

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<v Speaker 1>and comprehensive never happens. There is a reason why we

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<v Speaker 1>can't just do one of these at a time. Just

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<v Speaker 1>decide everybody in America practically agrees merit based is better

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<v Speaker 1>than family, let's pass that. Do it. Then get to

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<v Speaker 1>how many or the refugee or whatever other thing we're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna deal with. Well, the political parties would tell you,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is a two part answer, the political parties

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<v Speaker 1>would tell you that, well, if you do it one

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<v Speaker 1>chunk at a time, you've removed some of the horses.

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to trade for this other thing. Um, you

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<v Speaker 1>give me merit based. Well, I was gonna trade that.

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<v Speaker 1>I was gonna put that up against how I said,

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<v Speaker 1>do something for the docapee. But how is that something

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<v Speaker 1>to trade when everybody agrees on it. Well, that's not

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<v Speaker 1>just a Republican issue or a Democrat. We went through

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<v Speaker 1>the polling. Everybody wants that, which brings me to part

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<v Speaker 1>two of the answer. The parties are lying to you

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<v Speaker 1>all the time about what they want to do and

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<v Speaker 1>what they're gonna do on immigration. They both want the

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<v Speaker 1>issue to remain. You solve the issue, you lose it

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<v Speaker 1>as an issue. I mean I understand trading DOCCA for

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<v Speaker 1>they have to speak English. Those are two completely different

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<v Speaker 1>sides of the argument. But everybody wants the merit based

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<v Speaker 1>It's just not even close, right, Yeah, yeah, well this

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<v Speaker 1>is true, and people who listen to the show now

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<v Speaker 1>know it. You will not hear that from the big

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<v Speaker 1>American media. I can scan the big American media stories

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<v Speaker 1>I've seen so far, I don't recall if they've addressed it.

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<v Speaker 1>I have a feeling they haven't. Well, Democrats nearly over

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<v Speaker 1>the near unanimity among the American people on certain main

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<v Speaker 1>points of the plan. The Democratic and Republican strategies have seen.

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<v Speaker 1>It's all said, there's not a chance that this is

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<v Speaker 1>gonna happen. So that's just fantas no way to run

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<v Speaker 1>a country, no kidding. When the weather outside is rightful,

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<v Speaker 1>The hunt Santa Fe is what's the word delightful because

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<v Speaker 1>it's got available eight track all wheel drive to make

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<v Speaker 1>being out together better. Enterpy your chance to win the

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<v Speaker 1>newly redesigned sant Effect, packed with all the jingle bells

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