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Speaker 1: As always, I'm joined by my two co hosts, Paul

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Speaker 1: Pierce Danny Green.

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Speaker 2: I'm big wise of course, got a dope show on hand.

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Speaker 3: For you guys.

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Speaker 1: Let's get right into it. The seventy six ers are back, y'all.

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Speaker 4: They're back.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if they're back, but they got it

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Speaker 1: feels like they have their whole team.

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Speaker 5: They solid enough for the East. They backing up. They're

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Speaker 5: back in the back enough of.

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Speaker 1: The East, but it does feel like they have their

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Speaker 1: whole team back for the first time in literally two years.

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Speaker 3: And so the Sixers.

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Speaker 1: They beat the Bucks shorthanded Bucks admittedly one thirty nine

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Speaker 1: to one twenty two and Beand had twenty nine and nine.

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Speaker 1: He broke his thirty streak, but just barely. Paul George

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Speaker 1: hit nine threes, tied a franchise record, dropped thirty two,

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Speaker 1: and Max He had twenty two. Jared McCain was five

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Speaker 1: of six from three had seventeen Grimes didn't play. I

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Speaker 1: think he's gonna be integral to what they do throughout

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Speaker 1: the season.

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Speaker 2: But it's just an ankle. He should be back pretty soon.

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Speaker 1: Danny, what do you think about your old team ceiling

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Speaker 1: when they got everybody in the lineup?

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Speaker 5: I mean, again, we spoke about how the East is

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Speaker 5: wide opened.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like if.

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Speaker 5: You get right at the right time, anybody got a chance,

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Speaker 5: you know, to do something. I still got the Knicks

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Speaker 5: as the favorite in the East, but they match up

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Speaker 5: with anybody when they helped you, like when Joel was

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Speaker 5: playing that type of basketball, Pg's hit nine threes, which

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Speaker 5: I don't expect him to do that consistently, but you

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Speaker 5: know what Tyres can do. We know what Joel can do.

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Speaker 5: It's really that third guy that we were talking about,

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Speaker 5: Like who's gonna be the third guy, who's gonna be

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Speaker 5: a combination to be like a third type of Can

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Speaker 5: it be VJ and Jared like Quinn Grimes to equal

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Speaker 5: up a third you know score, Can it be you know,

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Speaker 5: PJ and Jared McCain and VJ edgecomb you know what

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Speaker 5: I'm saying, Like they need that, but in the East,

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Speaker 5: you know, when said when Joe's hooping, you know they

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Speaker 5: always got a chance man.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 6: At the beginning of the year, I liked what I

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Speaker 6: saw on paper. I was able to go to the

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Speaker 6: first game of the season, sixers at Boston where.

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Speaker 4: They put on the ship j J. I was like,

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Speaker 4: who is this kid? But I like the roster.

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Speaker 6: But for me, when I before I can really say

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Speaker 6: that phillyas back, they have to start, you know, throughout

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Speaker 6: the course season.

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Speaker 4: You have to give you have to have signature wins.

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Speaker 6: You know they haven't gotten and I know they just

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Speaker 6: now getting healthy, but they lost to New York I

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Speaker 6: think a week ago. You know, a team that they're

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Speaker 6: gonna probably have to compete with. I expect them to

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Speaker 6: be soccer know, you know, they got to show me

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Speaker 6: they can compete with the top, the best.

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Speaker 4: Of the best.

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Speaker 6: Before I could say they're back, because on paper they

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Speaker 5: Some significant I mean they actually I think they have

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Speaker 5: the season against the Knicks.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they being the Knicks at least twice.

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Speaker 1: They lost the last matchup, but they've beaten the Knicks

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Speaker 2: Two times and one or so.

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Speaker 5: But yeah, they do need some more significant like wins

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Speaker 5: the consistency.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 6: It's just like when I look at his win lost win,

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Speaker 6: win lost lost, Like they don't have no you got it.

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Speaker 6: Like the teams that are known as contenders, you're gonna

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Speaker 6: go through a stretch of the season where like, oh,

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Speaker 6: they putting together some wins, like they they last ten

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Speaker 6: nine to one, yea, the last fifteen, twelve and three.

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Speaker 6: That's how I mark a team that can be in contention.

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Speaker 5: I don't think you're gonna get that from them because

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Speaker 5: the inconsistently is all based on Joe's like he's sure

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Speaker 5: he's not playing back to backs, he's in and out

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Speaker 5: his minutes. He just started picking up thirty plus minutes

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Speaker 5: like the last two weeks or so last week.

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Speaker 6: So yeah, I mean, like they haven't won three in

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Speaker 6: in a row wins, Like it's once a month.

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Speaker 4: I don't even know I could once a month they

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Speaker 4: win three games in a row.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Like, you gotta string together some wins to be

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Speaker 6: a real serious contender for sure, you know, because like

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Speaker 6: I've seen y'all lose three out of four and that

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Speaker 6: have cost you a playoffs, that cost you the playoffs,

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Speaker 6: like come on.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean not tend to agree with you in

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Speaker 1: the terms that we need to see some more consistency.

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Speaker 1: But Paul George talked to the the Amazon crew.

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Speaker 2: That was it was that and no, he peacocks.

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Speaker 3: Sorry the peacock.

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Speaker 5: He always has a good night against Milwaukee man.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he loves playing against him.

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Speaker 5: He's making it a point every time he plays Dot

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Speaker 5: to be like, yo, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: So so, what I liked about what he said to

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Speaker 1: the to t mac and and Mellow and all those

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Speaker 1: as being a defensive primarily role in terms of he

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Speaker 1: he's gonna guard basically went through four sometimes even guards,

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Speaker 1: some centers, kind of quarterback that unit defensively, which I

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Speaker 1: think is very much needed. Paul George has been for

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Speaker 1: a decade plus one of the best defenders in the

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Speaker 1: quite frankly, and he talked about on offense that his

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Speaker 1: role is just filling gaps. He's not he doesn't see

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Speaker 1: himself as fulfilling a primary function where it's like it's

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Speaker 1: on him to set up every possession. Sometimes he might

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Speaker 1: spot up. Sometimes he might be the pick and roll

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Speaker 1: Paul handlers. Sometimes he might be setting the screen. Sometimes

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Speaker 1: it might be about cutting, like, and he's such a

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Speaker 1: dynamic player in terms of all the things that.

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Speaker 3: He could do.

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Speaker 1: I think that's what's peaking my interest to seeing Paul

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Speaker 1: George actually be able to apply all his skills to

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Speaker 1: wherever the Sixers needed.

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Speaker 2: And embrace that role.

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Speaker 5: I think you pointed out the defensive side. That's what's

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Speaker 5: most impressive to me, Like, even though he's not putting

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Speaker 5: the deflectional starting to break, Like for him to still

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Speaker 5: gonna be playing defense, right Yeah. So for him at

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Speaker 5: And he's gonna be huge he's gonna be clutch for them,

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Speaker 5: and then the playoffs if they match up with certain teams,

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Speaker 5: that veteran leadership is gonna help a lot.

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Speaker 1: I think there's gonna be plenty of opportunities for Paul

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Speaker 1: George to have a major role in the offense, but

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Speaker 1: obviously it's on Maxie and Joell to be the engine

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Speaker 1: of what they do on offense. And Joel called an

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Speaker 3: It's just like he hasn't even been.

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Speaker 2: He's like, I haven't been an alley you got for

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Speaker 2: my career.

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Speaker 1: But what does it mean for a guy coming back

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Speaker 1: from injury, a big man at that, to even be

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Speaker 1: attempting those in actually cashing it?

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Other thing about him being and we talked about this

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Speaker 6: whole career. You know, some years he looks like his

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Speaker 6: legs are heavy or a little bit overweight, can't get

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Speaker 6: see a djoeling bed who's limber out there, who's mobile,

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Speaker 6: getting up vertically, sliding his feet and doing those things,

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Speaker 6: he's as good as anybody in the NBA. We all

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Speaker 6: know that he's won an MVP. Yeah, I mean that's obvious.

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Speaker 6: So if he can continue to just stay healthy, that's

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Speaker 6: all you want from NB to get through the season,

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Speaker 6: stay healthy, and then let's see where the chips may

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Speaker 6: fall with him as a healthy player in the playoffs,

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Speaker 6: because it's just too many years we see he get

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Speaker 6: hurts right before the playoffs and then he's laboring in

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Speaker 6: the playoffs.

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Speaker 4: I mean, he gives it all. I will give him that.

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Speaker 6: He's been out there hurting the playoffs, still playing where

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Speaker 6: some guys might not. But you want to see a

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Speaker 6: what the process is. Let's see. I feel like this

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Speaker 4: This is the window for everybody.

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Speaker 2: To give people a chance, you know, give me a

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Speaker 4: Breathe.

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Speaker 5: The window was short, The window is short.

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Speaker 4: We look at this good and we're not healthy.

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Speaker 2: Everybody healthy, and we're still looking better than them.

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Speaker 5: Got you to your to what your point was? I think,

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Speaker 5: you know, we say some guys don't need the confidence

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Speaker 5: that he's already had, but like these type of plays,

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Speaker 5: him catching all definitely helps, Like his confidence booster for

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Speaker 5: his body in terms of mentally just getting comfortable with him.

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Speaker 5: So it shows that he's getting more comfortable in his

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Speaker 5: body and it helps, you know, it helps any player.

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Speaker 5: I've never been a superstar, but I know I've done

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Speaker 5: have some good plays to feel like, all right, you

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Speaker 5: think his body is telling him his min and is

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Speaker 5: letting him know like, you know, we still got a

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Speaker 5: if we, like he said, if we stay healthy, you know,

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Speaker 5: he's getting that confidence back in his body. It's good

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I do want to say too.

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Speaker 1: I was very down on the Sixers coming into the year,

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Speaker 1: just because after reading that ESPN profile about him this summer,

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Speaker 1: it sounded like a guy who had accepted his faith

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Speaker 1: that he would just basically never be healthy again.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean was crazy right.

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Speaker 1: And he's obviously on a major contract that goes out

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Speaker 1: a bunch of years, and it's like, man, if this

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Speaker 1: his salary, so you can't replace his production with anybody.

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Speaker 2: What is this team going to be?

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Speaker 1: But it's been a pleasant surprise to see everybody coming

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Speaker 2: So that's pretty cool man. And yeah, I think we

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Speaker 1: Speaking of teams on the upswing man, this is from

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Speaker 6: Yeah, we started horrible in Brooklyn my first year there.

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Speaker 6: We was trash.

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Speaker 6: It was a lot of like I think it was

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Speaker 4: We had coach j Kid first year coaching.

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Speaker 6: You know, in first training camp. So it was a

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Speaker 6: You got some major pieces coming in into your starting lineup,

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Speaker 6: and we just didn't know those.

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Speaker 2: People who don't remember who were the guys on your team.

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Speaker 6: We had Carolinco, Carolink, Carolinco. We had carolinko Man. We

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Speaker 5: That and squad.

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Speaker 4: We got a nice team. We beat Miami four times.

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Speaker 2: With we were Terry Mark.

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Speaker 4: I thought we could take this team to the finals.

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Speaker 5: Aderson, like y'all, had a little squad.

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Speaker 6: I'm telling you. We just we lost to Miami and

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Speaker 6: I think we were just I think you know, I

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Speaker 4: Is you and Joe team. We don't want to step

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Speaker 6: This is it. But you know, with them guys, I

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Speaker 6: fel we down with this ship. It's time to turn this.

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Speaker 6: It's time for us to get up in front front

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it really turned this around.

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Speaker 1: So to bring it back to the Clippers, Danny, obviously,

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Speaker 1: I think people are gonna notice that Kawhi Leonard has

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Speaker 5: They just look like they have a different energy to them.

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Speaker 6: Man.

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Speaker 5: Like I was at the game against when they played

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Speaker 1: I thought they would be I thought they were better

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Speaker 1: I like the two way guys that they that they

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Speaker 2: I think they're gonna have to.

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Speaker 2: Obviously, Kawhi has just been unstoppable.

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Speaker 4: He can play like this for another five years.

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Speaker 1: Bro Thirty five minutes a game, he's averaging twenty five

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Speaker 1: Honestly, he's played ten more games than Kawhi, you know.

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Speaker 1: And so hats off to the Clippers for turning it around.

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Speaker 1: Hats off to Tylu for staying the course.

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Speaker 6: And you lost Bradley Bill, who a lot of us

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Speaker 4: Be going to be a pretty good in the team contributor.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's cool to see that the Clippers resurgence.

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Speaker 1: I think, you know, as long as Kawhi, James, and

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Speaker 2: Not They're not in the stinker anymore.

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Speaker 5: They're not going to be a pushover when the pick

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Speaker 5: goes to you know, at least they not giving up

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Speaker 5: a crazy pick to you know, Okay, picking the teams

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Speaker 6: I mean, they still they're there. I think you know,

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Speaker 6: they they're injury away from tanking back the tanker.

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Speaker 4: I like them like now.

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Speaker 6: Hopefully they stay healthy and I would like to see them,

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Speaker 4: Playing scare one of them teams at the top.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, hell yeah, that'll be absolutely.

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Speaker 6: You know, that'd be good for a first round if

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Speaker 1: Even a rematch with Denver would be incredible. Okay, see,

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Speaker 1: I'd love to see them.

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Speaker 5: Play them Lakers match up would be a good one man,

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Speaker 5: that would be super fun.

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Speaker 4: They still never playing sweet they swept, They'll sweep the Lakers.

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Speaker 2: Sweep is crazy.

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Speaker 5: I think that's the seventh.

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Speaker 3: The Clippers song.

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Speaker 4: Who just swept the Lakers last year?

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Speaker 3: It was so fur one Minnesota.

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Speaker 5: Minnesota is a young, getting up and down team.

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Speaker 1: Like, oh boy, all right, we gotta get to our

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Speaker 1: favorite part of every single show. And it's not Paul's

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Speaker 1: annual Nightly excuse me, Lakers hate. It's the Pigs of

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Speaker 1: the Night presented by Prize Pigs. Tonight, we got Victor

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Speaker 1: women Yama and the San Antonio Spurs versus Kevin Durant

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Speaker 1: more or less than twenty two and a half points, y'all?

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Speaker 6: Man, he's so unpredictable eighteen and fifteen night and then

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Speaker 6: go for the thirty like, Man.

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Speaker 5: I think you're gonna show up though, Man, think you're

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Speaker 5: Like a lot of bigs, he also stretch the floor

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Speaker 2: So I'm gonna go more for him. What about you

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Speaker 6: I mean, it's just like once he starts to get stronger,

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Speaker 4: So I'm gonna go less on this one.

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Speaker 5: His last last game he had sixteen, right, So yeah,

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Speaker 4: He's settling for too many threes, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: It's just his last game against the Rockets was five

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he's gonna bounce back.

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm going less. I think the Rockets just they

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Speaker 1: Adams who's been out.

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Speaker 3: But uh, I like the idea.

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Speaker 5: If they have to play King Capella, I'm I'm going more.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I got you. I'm going less.

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Speaker 3: Do a good job.

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Speaker 1: Next up is Kevin Durant more or less than nineteen

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's so easy.

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Speaker 2: That I'm booking.

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Speaker 3: Twenty boys locking it.

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Speaker 2: That's our lock of the night.

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Speaker 1: Actually, Kevin Durant more than nineteen and respect points, I

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Speaker 2: Just like the guy's about the past, Michael.

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Speaker 1: Jordan on the all time scorings. I think we could

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Speaker 3: Respect, all right.

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Speaker 5: I think it's I think it's like seventeen. I feel

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Speaker 2: Get right over.

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Speaker 5: I think they're gonna get right over. I feel when

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Speaker 2: I like the more here as well, give me more Fox.

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Speaker 4: I got him right at fifteen.

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Speaker 1: Got you last was certainly not least Alprori and Shngu

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Speaker 1: Silly season is still upon us, as you guys know,

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Speaker 1: It's just all over like Ben, Yeah, rumors on coverages, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I mean there's an idea that they should be trading

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Speaker 1: Cat to just get doper role players around what Brunson

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Speaker 5: If so, you don't want to trade them at all,

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Speaker 2: I want him to trade him with. The guy's an

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Speaker 5: But it also I can equal with some really good

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Speaker 1: Like, No, I agree with that, I just I don't know,

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Speaker 1: I think it just seems premature to be trading this guy,

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't think that needs to rush into it.

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Speaker 2: That seems ain't crazy to me.

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Speaker 5: But if you are gonna trade, I would I wait

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Speaker 5: to see how this year plays out. He obviously doesn't

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Speaker 5: and you don't do it with him, then it's like,

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Speaker 5: all right, we got to move somebody. And I think

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And I mean, and.

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Speaker 5: I'm okay with getting really good role players because you

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Speaker 5: need depth. So just if you go get a honest

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Speaker 5: you're gonna trade him and somebody like you're losing depth

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Speaker 2: That's true.

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Speaker 1: I just I mean for me with with Towns, the

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Speaker 1: in the playoffs he was absolutely essential to their offense.

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Speaker 1: Like he made big ass shots against Detroit, He made

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Speaker 2: Boston, right, and so even Indiana when they play you know,

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Speaker 2: and and and what do you like, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Have you ever played with a guy that just couldn't

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean there's a lot of guys like that.

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Speaker 6: They're just talented. It's just the look like w's and z's.

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Speaker 4: Figure it out, look like calculus or something like.

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Speaker 6: No, this is not a situation you diveing in the

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Speaker 6: I think you judge them off his playoffs like, yeah,

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Speaker 6: we've been they've been up and down. Regular season, everybody

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Speaker 6: feel like they should be on top of the East.

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Speaker 6: But then like we saw Indiana run from whatever seed

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Speaker 6: everything can get quiet if the Knicks go to the

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Speaker 6: the regular season make a dumb move Like no, dude,

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Speaker 6: we are judged on what we do in the playoffs,

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Speaker 6: and then we build from what we got. We're right there,

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Speaker 6: We're right there. Let's build on what we got.

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Speaker 2: So what do you think they're missing? Is the question.

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Speaker 6: They're missing nothing. They got everything to win and come

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Speaker 6: out of the East.

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Speaker 1: Now, I think they could definitely use a little bit

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Speaker 2: They got that, you know they have, they have, O

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Speaker 3: But like even Josh.

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Speaker 5: Harden is a short guy six four five is he?

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Speaker 5: He rebounds like bro He rebounds.

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Speaker 1: I know, but like rebounding is one thing, But like

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Speaker 1: guarding a guy who's six, he's not a liability out there.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying he's a liability, but he's just short.

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Speaker 1: He's shorter, I mean than O G.

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Speaker 6: And Brittany rebounds better than half the league.

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Speaker 1: I know, But like when a guy faces up against

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Speaker 1: Josh Hart, he's still shorter than them, you know what

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Speaker 1: I mean, Like a bigger guard.

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Speaker 6: That's taking Josh on defense versus a lot of these guys.

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Speaker 4: Like his toughness.

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Speaker 1: I love his toughness. I don't think I love it.

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Speaker 1: I don't think.

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Speaker 4: I don't think that's that's just grit. That was grit number.

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Speaker 4: I don't think seven.

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Speaker 6: Come on, he's not he's not even, he's not even

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Speaker 5: He's twelve, eight and five is pretty good numbers for

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Speaker 5: I'm just talking about when you got the guard from

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Speaker 1: I'm just talking about when you got to throw people

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Speaker 1: at a cad, you know what I mean, when you

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Speaker 5: If not, I know, but if you got harder, I'm

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Speaker 4: Mikil Bridges I like Michel bridges On.

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Speaker 5: That you got Michuel, Like not many people have this

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Speaker 6: About the goods you have to see about the East.

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Speaker 6: There's no sure shot perfect team in the No like

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Speaker 6: no weaknesses, you know, but like everybody in the East

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Speaker 6: got weaknesses. Yeah, you know Detroit shooting, Yeah, inexperience and

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Speaker 2: You know they do need guys that could make threes.

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Speaker 4: Yeah for sure.

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Speaker 1: Me when you know when teams are just running you

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Speaker 1: like I got And again, I love Josh Hart, but

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Speaker 1: I got Josh hard against me or God forbid, I

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Speaker 1: I just think they need to shore up the switch

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Speaker 4: Against who is it.

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Speaker 1: Grant down in Portland Jeremy and I think people are

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Speaker 2: He's been such a name so many years.

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Speaker 5: The season really well too.

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Speaker 1: I've historically been a big fan of Hiss, a lot

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Speaker 1: of the role, but he's prototype that.

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Speaker 5: A bigger guard that can guard. Yeah, you know what

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Speaker 5: I mean. I'm with you again. I feel like Nick

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Speaker 1: I mean satisfied with what Carl Towns has been doing

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Speaker 1: the last three weeks.

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Speaker 5: Asked what they're missing. They have everything you're looking for, bro,

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Speaker 5: Like youve got Mitch Robinson and Josh Hart that can rebound,

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Speaker 1: More can I don't think I don't think they need

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Speaker 1: I agree, I don't think they need to make some

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Speaker 3: Carl Town's just played.

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Speaker 1: He's not making threes this year, like he's having problems

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Speaker 1: this year. So I don't understand why people are frustrated.

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Speaker 1: But you're highest paid player, so again by a lot.

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Speaker 5: If you were to trade him in the offseason, you

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Speaker 5: bit you get three guys over from Portland or something

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Speaker 5: like that.

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Speaker 1: I think you need somebody who's at least as good

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Speaker 1: don't know what the ball think about Joel and MAXI like,

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Speaker 2: Like as much as we love og, he's not.

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Speaker 4: Rid surrounding that for next year, I would I think.

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Speaker 1: A d is way better than Cats when he's healthy,

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Speaker 1: He's a much more well rounded player. He solves a

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Speaker 1: I think Cat would be a good fit with Cooper

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Speaker 1: Flag in terms of opening the floor for him and

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Speaker 1: or potentially the four. But yeah, I just I understand

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Speaker 1: month low and post.

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Speaker 6: Playoffs right now, because he's going to playoffs have a

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Speaker 6: monster because.

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Speaker 1: because as a civilian, non combatant, I get a kick

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00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 1: out of all of this watching this stuff, and I

670
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:19,480
Speaker 1: enjoy getting into the sort of psyche of players in

671
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 1: terms of their evaluation of other players.

672
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 2: So Imon Schumpert is very.

673
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 1: Skeptical of the Rudy Gobert defensive praise.

674
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 2: Can we watch a clip?

675
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 5: I mean, I don't think this is defensive Player of

676
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 5: the Year kendidates.

677
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 7: According to NBA dot Com, Rudy Gobert.

678
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 5: To just throw this man in this.

679
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 7: Conversation every year is really bothering me. Now I'm telling you,

680
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 7: motherfuckers be in here laying the ball up with this man,

681
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 7: and it's bothering me. Every year he gets tossed into

682
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:54,320
Speaker 7: this defensive Player of the Year. Immediately it's like, what

683
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 7: the fuck, Like, why is og not in this conversation.

684
00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 7: I have a fucking problem with that. Then Brown's not

685
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 7: in the conversation. Like nobody sees Rudy Gobert and be like,

686
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 7: oh man, let me get rid of this ship.

687
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 2: I've seen people get rid of it when checks on him.

688
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 7: I've seen niggas make one or two moves on Evan

689
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 7: Mobley and he clapped that ship off the glass.

690
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 2: I think he fucking plays.

691
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 7: The game hard. He's a good player. I'm not saying

692
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 7: he's a bad player. Love his game as it relates

693
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 7: to the team. But defensive player of the Year ship

694
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 7: this year?

695
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:29,000
Speaker 5: Come on, man, we're just doing anything. We're just doing

696
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 5: what We're just doing anything, is what he says.

697
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 2: So we're just doing anything.

698
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 1: Like Rudy has probably got one of the lower repute

699
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 1: reputations amongst it's everybody bear get off by everybody, bro,

700
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 1: Where are you at on Rudy and his defensive impact?

701
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 5: I like Rudy. I think he's very good at what

702
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 5: he does. Like Trump said, I think he's good at

703
00:31:57,760 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 5: protecting the room. I think he's good at rebound. Name

704
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 5: because the game has evolved and changed so much, it

705
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 5: has made his job a lot more DIFFICU it's much

706
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 5: more difficult to do that. Guys are stretching the floors,

707
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 5: like are we playing five out? We're gonna know how

708
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 5: he can't play that. We're gonna put him in a

709
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 5: situation where he has to switch or has to come

710
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 5: out on the pick and roll and guard somebody at

711
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 5: the end of the game and you leave on a

712
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 5: island with Luca or I'm saying, like he's got a

713
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 5: game winner against him. But yeah, Bro, defensively, man, I

714
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 5: think we've been disrespecting him. He's good, mind you. I

715
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 5: think there's some other guys out there that could have

716
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 5: got more recognition and been in the running. But he's

717
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:38,479
Speaker 5: been available, He's played the amount of games he's supposed

718
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 5: to play.

719
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 4: He fired on this team. I forgot about that.

720
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, him and SloMo got into it a little bit,

721
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 5: But yeah, man, he said, he does his job. Bro,

722
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 5: he comes and he plays hard. I know he's not

723
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 5: a good offensive threat and he can't make moves like that.

724
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 5: His hands aren't terrible hands. But yeah he does. He

725
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:00,240
Speaker 5: does protect that rim bro. He does protect that him.

726
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 2: Dam buh.

727
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 3: Right now producing Chris is having.

728
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 5: Damn damn again. So he's not he's he's not afraid

729
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 5: to get dunk like he's gonna go with every shot.

730
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.

731
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 5: So does he does he defensive player? I think he

732
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 5: definitely earned two of those for sure. Sure being in

733
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 5: the conversation every year, he should be top five or ten,

734
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 5: not top three every year. I think we just got

735
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 5: bored process and maybe just you know, some other guys

736
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 5: play enough games.

737
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 2: But I'm with with Chump.

738
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 5: I mean, some other guard like Marcus Smart is like

739
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 5: the only guard to win it in the last ten years,

740
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 5: like Dyson Daniels had a chance. But there's some guys

741
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 5: that pick up full court and you scared him like

742
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 5: you don't want to. You ain't dribbling the ball up

743
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 5: against certain guys, you know what I'm saying. It's like,

744
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 5: why aren't these guys considered? It's always a big because

745
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 5: they get block shots. Now that change the block shot rule.

746
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 5: Now the pre Van Fleet let the league in block shots. Well,

747
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 5: damn there because the swipe down now is not a block?

748
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 2: Got you?

749
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 4: So damn I should be a steal.

750
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:09,439
Speaker 5: Yeah, so the instead of steals now it's a block.

751
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:13,239
Speaker 5: So we got guards getting blocks now. So the rules

752
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:15,880
Speaker 5: are changing, the games evolving. So it's kind of making

753
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 5: him look worse than what he is. But he's a

754
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:18,240
Speaker 5: good defender.

755
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 2: Bro. Why do you think he gets so much criticism.

756
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 4: Because the game has changed?

757
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:28,399
Speaker 6: His aura on defense isn't really felt like the big

758
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 6: men of the He's not.

759
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:31,719
Speaker 5: A blue collar guy. He's not tough.

760
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 4: Two thousands big men to where they stood in the paint,

761
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 4: touch you no coming up in there.

762
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:39,280
Speaker 6: To where now you have to switch out on perimeters

763
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 6: and it takes the big man away from the paint.

764
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,000
Speaker 6: And so now we should start leaning toward the guys

765
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 6: who can really guard on the perimeter based on where

766
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:48,359
Speaker 6: the game is played and the reason we always leaned

767
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 6: on big men because's where it's always been. But I

768
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:52,880
Speaker 6: think we need to go away from that. Think about

769
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 6: like when I was in the league, you had cats man.

770
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 6: I'm telling when you drive and you saw him, you

771
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 6: just turn around. It's like the yo there Kem Bab Tombo,

772
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 6: David Robinson, Alonzo morning, like you wasn't even thinking about

773
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 6: trying to lay nothing that.

774
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 2: Or dunk the ball like you like, let me swing Bruisers.

775
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:16,799
Speaker 6: They had a yeah, like he ain't really show Even

776
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 6: when I was in the league playing against Rudy, he

777
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 6: never gave me that aura in the paint type of

778
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 6: feel to where I'm not coming in here.

779
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:24,879
Speaker 5: He's not naturally a tough guy, you know what I'm saying.

780
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:27,839
Speaker 5: Like those guys were bruisers, He's not naturally a bruiser. Yeah,

781
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 5: And I think that's why people pick.

782
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 4: Like KG like you ain't going up over there.

783
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 6: You might ship might get slapped to the fifth bro

784
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:38,359
Speaker 6: and he gonna get why like I ain't seeing that,

785
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 6: Like I need to see them type of defenders right there,

786
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:42,840
Speaker 6: like you might smack gol ships coming out.

787
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 1: Of That's what you think players are responding to, just

788
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:49,960
Speaker 1: like they don't feel Rudy when they watch on defense.

789
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 6: And then you just ICEO on this the way the

790
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 6: game is played because these big men in our day,

791
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 6: who's not switching on the.

792
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 2: Guards, so he gets more exposed, yes.

793
00:35:57,719 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 4: Than are error.

794
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 6: So you look at it like, oh, he's getting crossed

795
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 6: toff step back three on these guards. But like he's

796
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 6: always on the top defensive teams. Yeah, and he has

797
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 6: a presidence.

798
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:10,360
Speaker 1: His team's always are always there and when, and his

799
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 1: teams always perform way worse when he's not on the court,

800
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:17,880
Speaker 1: Like they when they track how the team's defense performs.

801
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:20,280
Speaker 2: When Rudy Gobin doesn't play, it's always worse.

802
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:25,360
Speaker 1: He's always part of quality defenses, for sure. And I think, look,

803
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 1: I think if it's not a Maxi, Steph you know,

804
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:31,399
Speaker 1: Dame Lillard type, the kind of guys that could kill

805
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 1: you on a pick and roll, just pull up from

806
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 1: three from anywhere so your big man has to come

807
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 1: all the way up. I'm honestly not worried about Rudy

808
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 1: playing defense against most of these guys, even though Luca.

809
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:44,400
Speaker 3: Where it's just like bro like Luca a lot of

810
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 3: times trying to overpower people.

811
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 1: He's trying to get like a little shoulder ahead of somebody.

812
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:51,360
Speaker 3: I'm not crazy worried about it.

813
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:53,799
Speaker 1: He's shooting like thirty three percent from three, Like, it's

814
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:56,880
Speaker 1: fine if it's not Steph Maxy, these guys that just

815
00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 1: kill you from twenty six feet out and if you

816
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 1: leave Rudy on the island with Stephen Max, he yeah,

817
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 1: he's on a quickness level.

818
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 5: I hear you, But I feel like a lot of

819
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 5: guards in this league. You leave him on the island,

820
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 5: it's gonna be it's gonna be. What I'm saying. But

821
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:13,439
Speaker 5: again with the reason why he's saying, why he gets

822
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:15,840
Speaker 5: what he gets because defense is all toughness. That's what

823
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:19,239
Speaker 5: it's based on. And if you're not a seriously a

824
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 5: tough guy, then you're not gonna be considered one of

825
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 5: the best defenders. Just off, rip off, GP, It's like, oh,

826
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 5: he's not tough. So would I see.

827
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 6: The last five defensive players of the year. Let's see,

828
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 6: let's measure their toughness. Let's see. Can we see that?

829
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:33,360
Speaker 6: They look like all tough guys?

830
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 4: Right?

831
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 6: I think you know you think about like like Draymond

832
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 6: Marcus Smart?

833
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:41,759
Speaker 4: Why yeah?

834
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 6: But what about what about what about Evan Jaron Jackson?

835
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 6: Look at the last three though, I don't think.

836
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 3: Every considered tough guy.

837
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 1: But he's a fucking great defender.

838
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 4: I think he's in the.

839
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:56,839
Speaker 2: Top five defenders in the NBA every year.

840
00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 5: But he's a good shot blocker. He has to be

841
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 5: a better rebounder. But yes, he is a good Yeah,

842
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 5: but he's.

843
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 1: Also good at switching out, you know, like I've seen

844
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:06,760
Speaker 1: him against Boston a certain series, like he's Guardent Tatum

845
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 1: and Jylen Brown no problem by itself, no help not

846
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 1: saying he's about shutting them down.

847
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 5: Evan, Yes, Evan, Evan is definitely mobile and he rebounds

848
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 5: better than about Jared Chandler Marcosol, like like this is different,

849
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:30,240
Speaker 5: is different, Like yeah different, those is those is bruises,

850
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 5: bro hard, those dudes that got to it.

851
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 1: Also, just the the shump comments that caught my eye

852
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:39,759
Speaker 1: to is the reason why I caught my eyes because again,

853
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 1: as it's civilian, it feels like players like ship that

854
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 1: they feel like they themselves could not do.

855
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:51,319
Speaker 2: So like Trump is like if I was seven to one.

856
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 3: I mean you know what I mean.

857
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:58,840
Speaker 1: Like it feels like like whenever stuff doesn't seem like

858
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 1: it's like hard dud. Like I feel like players love

859
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 1: Kyrie for that reason. It's like, Yo, I work on

860
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:06,879
Speaker 1: my handle every fucking summer. I've worked on this layup shit,

861
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 1: I've done all of this work. I will never do that.

862
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:12,720
Speaker 1: So players just love Kyrie for that because it seems

863
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 1: like what he does is impossible where it's like a

864
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:16,320
Speaker 1: guy like Rudy, it's just like.

865
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:19,319
Speaker 2: You're doing I can do that shit, you know what

866
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 2: I mean? Like is that crazy?

867
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:24,239
Speaker 1: That's like my theory on players in their evaluation of

868
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 1: other players, Just like if it doesn't look hard, I

869
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 1: don't respect.

870
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 5: Even regular civilians. I feel like if I was selling,

871
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 5: That's why they talked to the back.

872
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 2: When we was growing up, they called niggas big for nothing.

873
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 8: That's what people would say about Rudy when he's not

874
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:41,279
Speaker 8: catching it in the post and he's blowing layups and

875
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:47,840
Speaker 8: smoking dunks and big enough. Just Rudy, man, man, he

876
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 8: gets too much guff in my opinion, even if he

877
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:52,880
Speaker 8: does have one of the most kind of annoying personalities

878
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 8: in the league.

879
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:56,320
Speaker 2: Okay, I don't think we've.

880
00:39:56,160 --> 00:40:00,800
Speaker 1: Gotten into a lot of MVP chatter on this show

881
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 1: this season, because it feels like the chatter is kind

882
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:04,879
Speaker 1: of walled off.

883
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 6: To shake gilg No, it's not a landslide.

884
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 2: It's not a landslide anymore.

885
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 4: It's not.

886
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:15,439
Speaker 1: And I think Kenny Akinson is feeling you on that, Paul,

887
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 1: because he says it's quote mind boggling that Donovan Mitchell

888
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 1: isn't in the MVP conversation. He is averaging twenty nine

889
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 1: points for rebounds almost six assists. Do you think Donovan

890
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:31,319
Speaker 1: Mitchell has been an MVP this year? An MVP kind

891
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:31,760
Speaker 1: of player.

892
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 5: He's an MVP for that team.

893
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:39,440
Speaker 1: Okay, but when you talk about the team's most valuable player, sure.

894
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 5: They're because they're not as good there below expectation. Like

895
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 5: you said, they're not as good as they're supposed to

896
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:47,959
Speaker 5: be or as they were last year. But the reason

897
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:50,439
Speaker 5: why they're staying afloat is because of him. The reason

898
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 5: why they've climbed back into some like they're in better

899
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 5: conversations now is because of him. But realistically, they haven't

900
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 5: done enough winning. You know what I'm saying, like MVP, like,

901
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 5: if you're losing, you better be putting up like forty

902
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:06,439
Speaker 5: a games. What I'm saying it gotta be Westboro because

903
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:10,439
Speaker 5: you got seventeen Kate Sgajok. Still, you know what I'm saying,

904
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 5: Kate is up there now, Jaylen Brown at the top

905
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 5: of the Like, yeah, they're at the top of the top,

906
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 5: and they're also putting up thirty points a game.

907
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 1: Aston should not be having a better record than you

908
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:23,959
Speaker 1: and j Brown's avage thirty and we're talking about why

909
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 1: is this guy not in that.

910
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 3: Conversation?

911
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I think he's in the top six

912
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 4: or seven.

913
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 5: He's put himself in the conversation of being an All

914
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:32,719
Speaker 5: Star starter.

915
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:35,760
Speaker 6: Sure, I mean when you look, I mean I'm looking

916
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:38,759
Speaker 6: at it, he's probably like the fourth or fifth best player.

917
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 5: In the I mean, like, where is it the fourth

918
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 5: and the eight go out west? Where's Philly?

919
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:44,359
Speaker 2: Sis?

920
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 4: Seven? And now he's like top eleven, top ten, eleven.

921
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:49,799
Speaker 1: I mean, some would say Max, he's having a better

922
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 1: season than him.

923
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 5: He is, but it goes over MAXI MVP cann at

924
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 5: the time. At the time, Philly was above Cleveland. Sure,

925
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:01,239
Speaker 5: and the rankings Cleveland had now climbed a little bit more.

926
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 2: But is Kenny Atkinson's mind boggle that Max?

927
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:06,880
Speaker 3: He hasn't talked to his MVP? Seriously?

928
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 2: Probably not?

929
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:08,799
Speaker 5: Probably not.

930
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 3: I'm sure this mine can comprehend.

931
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 5: Why go back to the East standings. Yeah, they're five,

932
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 5: they're five, they're above Philly. So before Philly, they were

933
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:22,279
Speaker 5: behind Philly for a long time for a while. So

934
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 5: that's why he wasn't a starter, why he was in

935
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:28,799
Speaker 5: a conversation, he climbs up to four, three or four.

936
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 5: Now you have a different conversation.

937
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:34,319
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, it's based on I mean, because listen, this

938
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:36,479
Speaker 6: is what we say. We say, listen, y'all want sixty

939
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 6: two games last year. It made more sense last year,

940
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 6: and then y'all regressed with the same team, like you

941
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 6: gotta move out because we always judge based on your

942
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 6: team's success with your individual's success. And right now you

943
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 6: got a lot of teams that's having individuals on them

944
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 6: that are way ahead of you right now. So I

945
00:42:57,600 --> 00:42:59,799
Speaker 6: get that a coach will go in front of the

946
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 6: orders and swing for his guy.

947
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 4: You know, that's cool. I like them. Coaches.

948
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:08,720
Speaker 1: Doc Rivers once compared DeAndre Jordan to Bill Russell, So.

949
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 6: Coaches that somebody on the board.

950
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:24,759
Speaker 4: Let's we're talking about.

951
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 3: Let's be rational.

952
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:30,720
Speaker 4: Coach.

953
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 2: Nah. So here's my thing with Donovan Mitchell.

954
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:36,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's having a great season, ass in terms of

955
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 1: even the moderate.

956
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 3: Success that the Calves have had.

957
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 1: I think he could, you know, take a nice portion

958
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:47,239
Speaker 1: of the blame for how good they've even been all

959
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 1: things considered with the injuries and stuff. But I just

960
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:52,359
Speaker 1: to me, I never thought the Calves were going to

961
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 1: take another step because Donovan Mitchell.

962
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:56,920
Speaker 3: I think Donovan Mitchell is who he is. We know

963
00:43:57,400 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 3: what he brings to the table.

964
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:01,719
Speaker 1: I think the Calves, the theory that they would be

965
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:04,319
Speaker 1: way better was gonna be because the young guys got better.

966
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 1: It was gonna be because Mobley's taking more ownership of

967
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 1: the offense, because Garland has stepped up to be like

968
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:13,279
Speaker 1: a high all star type of level, you know what

969
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 1: I mean, Like, it was not gonna be Donovan. Donovan

970
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:18,800
Speaker 1: Mitchell is kind of Donovan Mitchell. He's a great player,

971
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:24,279
Speaker 1: but I don't he's not going into that other atmosphere

972
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 1: of Jokic, well his Shae Luca Jannis.

973
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 2: Oh, he's not that.

974
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 5: Well, I get what you're saying. Some would consider that

975
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 5: he has put himself closer because his team, those guys

976
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 5: you mentioned have not I wanna say they're regressed, but

977
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 5: they have not shown up like they were last year. Right,

978
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 5: So he's had to do a lot more. So he's

979
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 5: put himself in the stratosphere of on the teetering the

980
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:50,719
Speaker 5: MVP conversation. So yeah, but don shout out to Dom

981
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 5: and he deserves flowers.

982
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 2: He's been hooping.

983
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:54,839
Speaker 5: He's playing great, he's balling and he's keeping that team

984
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:56,319
Speaker 5: aflow because without him they'd be.

985
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:58,239
Speaker 1: Really And the Garland thing I think it needs to

986
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:00,440
Speaker 1: be said is kind of that shit is kind of depressed.

987
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 2: And I'm not gonna lie because.

988
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:06,920
Speaker 1: You end last season and he's injured in the playoffs

989
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 1: and we know that played a role in how they

990
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:12,360
Speaker 1: lost to Indy, and you have an entire offseason and

991
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 1: you come into this season injured again and now he's

992
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:18,759
Speaker 1: not playing again, and it's like, there's no I don't know,

993
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:22,360
Speaker 1: there's no hope that he's gonna be super duper healthy

994
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 1: at any point.

995
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 4: The toe.

996
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:25,319
Speaker 2: I think it's the toe again.

997
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm gonna tell you about the experience, Like I've

998
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:28,839
Speaker 6: had turf toe.

999
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:30,839
Speaker 4: There's no timetable on that.

1000
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:33,239
Speaker 6: Like I'm trying to tell you, like I've had it

1001
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 6: twice in my career and I played through it, but

1002
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 6: I had to take injections in my toe off season

1003
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:42,879
Speaker 6: alone quarters on and it took about eight months to.

1004
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:45,720
Speaker 2: Hear where were you in your in your career?

1005
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 6: So I had a turf toe. I played on turf

1006
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 6: toe in the twenty ten finals. Oh shit, Okay, it

1007
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:54,800
Speaker 6: was days I would wear but this is year twelve

1008
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:55,799
Speaker 6: into your care.

1009
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 4: It was days I would have a metal play in

1010
00:45:57,680 --> 00:45:58,400
Speaker 4: my shoe.

1011
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:02,279
Speaker 6: And I would be to be too much got you,

1012
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 6: And I remember having it again in Washington when I

1013
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:09,319
Speaker 6: got there, and I will tell you, like you think

1014
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:11,319
Speaker 6: it's a jam toe and then like a weekend on hill,

1015
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:13,959
Speaker 6: two weeks in that hell, three weeks of that hell,

1016
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,719
Speaker 6: you're like, damn, something wrong. This ain't healing. This ain't

1017
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:19,080
Speaker 6: no jam Joe jam toe will go two days you

1018
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 6: should be feeling all right, Nah, this turf toe will linger.

1019
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 6: And if you don't like do something about it, you

1020
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:27,360
Speaker 6: need to, Like I don't know, I don't even.

1021
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 4: Know what the like the process of the healing is

1022
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 4: for you. I don't even know, Like do you ice it?

1023
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:38,560
Speaker 4: Just like it ain't It ain't remedy. It ain't like no.

1024
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:41,279
Speaker 6: Rehab or a turf toe, Like I don't even know

1025
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:43,960
Speaker 6: if there's a surgery to make it better. You just

1026
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:46,800
Speaker 6: gotta wake up one day and it's feeling better. And

1027
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 6: that's why I can understand what it's going through because

1028
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:53,480
Speaker 6: it happened at the end of last year, right, Yeah,

1029
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:55,920
Speaker 6: So like this can be a process and if you

1030
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 6: keep playing on it it's never gonna heal. So I

1031
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 6: maxed the injury for a long time until I just

1032
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:02,840
Speaker 6: said I'm done.

1033
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 4: I'm gonna stay off it all summer, and he got you.

1034
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:10,439
Speaker 1: All right, let's get into some some more clips, man,

1035
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:14,359
Speaker 1: from some guys around the league. Tyrese Halliburton, he did

1036
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 1: the Mind the Game podcast with Lebron James, his twenty

1037
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 1: twenty four Olympic teammate, and I want to play this

1038
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 1: clip for you guys because I.

1039
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 2: Got a kick out of it. Yeah, it was funny, man.

1040
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:28,880
Speaker 9: I have a great story. I've never told that. The

1041
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:31,279
Speaker 9: story before we're at the Olympics. We're in the back

1042
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 9: doing film before the Olympics start, and before it starts,

1043
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:35,799
Speaker 9: it's like, all right, we're gonna have the team meeting

1044
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:39,360
Speaker 9: where we acknowledge that all twelve guys cannot play. Steve

1045
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 9: starts talking about everybody can't play, and Bron is talking about, how,

1046
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:46,279
Speaker 9: you know, in the four Olympics, I didn't really play

1047
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:47,919
Speaker 9: that much and you kind of you got to put

1048
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 9: your pride aside.

1049
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 5: You know, it's bigger than you.

1050
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 9: And Katie's over there, like at the end of the day,

1051
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 9: with twelve all stars, everybody's good.

1052
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 2: You're always trying to win. Right.

1053
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:56,399
Speaker 3: And I'm sitting there and I'm listening.

1054
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 9: I'm like, yeah, and as if we start film, I'm like,

1055
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:01,320
Speaker 9: but who are they talking about?

1056
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 3: Like who? And I'm looking I'm looking around.

1057
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 9: I'm like, oh, hey talking about Heim, Hey talking about Hell.

1058
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, they they talking about me. I'm sitting there.

1059
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:16,319
Speaker 5: I'm like, oh no, this is what it is.

1060
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:18,239
Speaker 3: I was like, I'm sitting there.

1061
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:20,799
Speaker 9: I watched the film. I can't even pay attention to

1062
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 9: the film. I'm he's over. It's over, man, I get

1063
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 9: no pt out here.

1064
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:30,480
Speaker 6: I'm the one guy in the school project didn't do

1065
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:36,160
Speaker 6: nothing to Ah, It's over.

1066
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 3: It's over for me.

1067
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:40,880
Speaker 5: Got they got the A on the group project.

1068
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:43,280
Speaker 4: Right, I got the the group project.

1069
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:44,440
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1070
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:46,439
Speaker 3: I enjoyed that clip.

1071
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:52,800
Speaker 1: I just enjoyed the the sort of self awareness of

1072
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 1: Tyrese Halliburton.

1073
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 5: I mean, you gotta know that when you squad like

1074
00:48:58,160 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 5: they can only play five guys.

1075
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:02,360
Speaker 4: At the time, like you know.

1076
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:03,759
Speaker 5: What ten guys might get to two guys ain't really

1077
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:06,319
Speaker 5: for sure, Like it's gonna be tough. I just felt

1078
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:08,240
Speaker 5: bad for more so Tatum, because I think he definitely

1079
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:11,359
Speaker 5: deserved to play more minutes. Sure, but Holly said he's

1080
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:13,719
Speaker 5: one of the younger guys just you know, still up

1081
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:18,560
Speaker 5: and coming. Yeah, but yeah, applaud as a mindset. I

1082
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:22,040
Speaker 5: applaud his approach and embracing that role. Even the guys

1083
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 5: that did play like book, like you know he played,

1084
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:25,840
Speaker 5: He's like, all right, I'll do the dirty work.

1085
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:26,160
Speaker 2: Like ain't.

1086
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:28,600
Speaker 5: I ain't gonna shoot. He's used to shooting every time,

1087
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:31,239
Speaker 5: like being the guy. It's an adjustment for every single

1088
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:34,279
Speaker 5: one of them. Edwards, I don't think that's right. Though

1089
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:35,520
Speaker 5: everybody should play.

1090
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:39,319
Speaker 1: You think everybody should get close games, it's not like

1091
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 1: beating everybody.

1092
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:43,880
Speaker 6: Everybody on the limits is will be the second best

1093
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 6: player on every team they played again, or the best

1094
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 6: or the best right second or best second or the

1095
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:52,760
Speaker 6: best player any team they playing on that was against

1096
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:55,319
Speaker 6: the US, hands down. Like if you went over there

1097
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:57,640
Speaker 6: to play with Joker, Okay, you second best player he

1098
00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 6: went over there, you're the best player. You can play

1099
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:03,120
Speaker 6: against them. Come on, you can't play against him. He

1100
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 6: won't even make the G League. Come on, bro, come on,

1101
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 6: you got cast downs out there that wouldn't make a

1102
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:10,799
Speaker 6: G League team.

1103
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Speaker 4: But I can't.

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00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:14,839
Speaker 2: Play You are the best team. You're the best team

1105
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:15,600
Speaker 2: in the world.

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00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:17,319
Speaker 4: Though, you should be able to just close your eyes.

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00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 4: I get it.

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00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 5: There, we're not beating teams like that. No more peg

1109
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:26,319
Speaker 5: like close games like we gotta play. So the rules

1110
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 5: are different obviously now still four quarters at the minutes different,

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00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:32,360
Speaker 5: Like I think it's ten minute quarters, so it's not

1112
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:32,919
Speaker 5: twelve minutes.

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00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:34,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's still best as a whole.

1114
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 5: You're missing a good chunk of minutes there, bro missing good.

1115
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:42,080
Speaker 1: Paul is saying is maybe there should be games where

1116
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:43,560
Speaker 1: guys you.

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00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:46,760
Speaker 5: Should be rotting, Like I just think.

1118
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 1: With Tatum and and Halle specifically, come they did.

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00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:52,399
Speaker 3: Thinks the whole time.

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00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:53,680
Speaker 5: The whole time is crazy.

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00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 1: They did things that would could be duplicated by other guys.

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00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:01,560
Speaker 2: You understand what I'm saying, Like what they were asked

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00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:01,879
Speaker 2: to do.

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00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:08,319
Speaker 1: Ye gets Steph Curry to do that job the job

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00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:11,359
Speaker 1: that you do, you know, and and Derek White got more.

1126
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:14,560
Speaker 1: But he's a way better defender than Halliburton is right,

1127
00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:16,719
Speaker 1: Like he just brings a.

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00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:20,360
Speaker 3: Different sort of package to the equation.

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00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 1: I think Tatum, I know, people did a lot of

1130
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:23,600
Speaker 1: handbringing when he played.

1131
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:24,399
Speaker 3: He didn't play well.

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00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:30,520
Speaker 1: He didn't play well when he played, Stephan didn't couldn't

1133
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:32,959
Speaker 1: make a shot last like Steph didn't play like. This's

1134
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:36,440
Speaker 1: different with Steph though. The defense is still crazily respecting.

1135
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:38,439
Speaker 1: He's still bending the defense.

1136
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:40,080
Speaker 5: And the You don't think the defense is respecting those

1137
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:40,840
Speaker 5: other guys.

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00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:43,359
Speaker 1: Not like not Tatum the way they respect step three,

1139
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:45,880
Speaker 1: But the doxpect him. Bro, They're not just leaving the

1140
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:49,600
Speaker 1: guy I don't know couldn't make a shot when he played,

1141
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:50,840
Speaker 1: he was just missing everything.

1142
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:55,200
Speaker 3: Remember he was missing in the playoffs too.

1143
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:59,360
Speaker 1: He carried that missing and then after he even said it,

1144
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:03,000
Speaker 1: he changed his form. He just he said after the Olympics,

1145
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:06,759
Speaker 1: he went into the gym and doctor shot doctor his

1146
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:10,200
Speaker 1: form and started just wet three to start last year.

1147
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:12,440
Speaker 5: I mean, there's games where certain guys and everybody like

1148
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:14,760
Speaker 5: Kate ain't gonna have the best game, every like Anthony Edwards.

1149
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:17,879
Speaker 5: There's there's not enough minutes and not enough basketball to share,

1150
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:19,320
Speaker 5: like to go around for them to have that.

1151
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:23,319
Speaker 1: Again, AE is bringing something in terms of attacking the

1152
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:26,560
Speaker 1: paint like that, he's bringing an element that can't be

1153
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:28,080
Speaker 1: duplicated by a different player.

1154
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:29,680
Speaker 5: You don't think Jayson Tatum coul attack the paint.

1155
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:33,680
Speaker 3: That's not a Jayson Tatum. That's guys.

1156
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:36,000
Speaker 2: That's not a strength with Jason Tatum.

1157
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:40,600
Speaker 5: Disrespect.

1158
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:42,880
Speaker 1: That's been the number one could play about Tatum his

1159
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:45,919
Speaker 1: whole career is that he settled for long twos too much.

1160
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:49,480
Speaker 6: He was playing a lot of four last He settled

1161
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:51,759
Speaker 6: last year for a lot of threes to last year.

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00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:54,120
Speaker 1: I know, But on this team, he didn't. He just

1163
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 1: did his job, which was paint slasher. You know, everybody

1164
00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:01,320
Speaker 1: did a job that they specifically had nothing.

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00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:04,600
Speaker 4: You can tell me that that warranty.

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00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:07,560
Speaker 5: I'm just saying. I'm just saying Tatum. I mean, obviously

1167
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:09,520
Speaker 5: Book shot it better, but look what book did. I

1168
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:10,839
Speaker 5: feel like Jason Tatum could have did.

1169
00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:13,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's what I would have assumed to

1170
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:15,120
Speaker 1: going into the Olympics.

1171
00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:16,759
Speaker 2: It just felt like maybe he didn't have it.

1172
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:19,399
Speaker 1: But you know, I can't wait for both of these

1173
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:20,200
Speaker 1: guys to get back.

1174
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:21,960
Speaker 2: Tatum and Hally get back.

1175
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:25,360
Speaker 5: I mean, look, what did Lebron say it's harder to

1176
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:28,399
Speaker 5: play eighty two. I don't disagree with him.

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00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:30,960
Speaker 2: I agree with these dudes cover way more ground now.

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00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:33,439
Speaker 5: Yeah, the pace is different, everybody's up and down more.

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00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:36,920
Speaker 1: The movement it was more half then I watched the

1180
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:37,640
Speaker 1: nineties games.

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00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:40,360
Speaker 5: I don't agree.

1182
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:42,520
Speaker 3: On YouTube, you can pull it up.

1183
00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:44,320
Speaker 2: There's a lot of nineties game.

1184
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:45,040
Speaker 3: And a half quarter.

1185
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:50,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, so like Mike and whoever would be running the triangle,

1186
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:53,719
Speaker 1: be two guys on one side of the court. The

1187
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:57,080
Speaker 1: other three guys are just standing and their defenders because

1188
00:53:57,080 --> 00:53:58,360
Speaker 1: the legal defense can't.

1189
00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:00,919
Speaker 2: Put a foot in the paint, so everybody just gets

1190
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:01,319
Speaker 2: the chip.

1191
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:02,200
Speaker 5: It was just more half court.

1192
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:04,960
Speaker 4: Everything.

1193
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:08,600
Speaker 6: They say it's harder to play in this area, you're

1194
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:11,960
Speaker 6: just doing more. Well, you're a better athlete. Well so

1195
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:17,560
Speaker 6: I think longer fast, No, it's not true, stronger faster.

1196
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:18,800
Speaker 4: I feel like athletes.

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00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:19,440
Speaker 2: I don't know.

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00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:21,759
Speaker 5: I don't agree with that. I think athletes have been

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00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:22,800
Speaker 5: athletes since before.

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00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:25,640
Speaker 6: Like there's guys I was in the league when only

1201
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:27,640
Speaker 6: like two people was doing the East Bay funk.

1202
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:29,319
Speaker 3: Bro could do that.

1203
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:35,640
Speaker 6: Bro, last that you said, guys on East team that

1204
00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:36,160
Speaker 6: can do it?

1205
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:39,000
Speaker 5: Now, Okay, just last pot you said, twenty five motherfuckers

1206
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:42,960
Speaker 5: are doing the man ship niggas athletic.

1207
00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:49,680
Speaker 2: Bro, you had athletes, Jason, I'm.

1208
00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:52,239
Speaker 6: Saying, I'm saying now I'm saying, I'm talking about the

1209
00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:56,080
Speaker 6: two thousands era. You know, I feel like like I

1210
00:54:56,080 --> 00:54:57,080
Speaker 6: feel like that was.

1211
00:54:57,160 --> 00:55:02,440
Speaker 1: That was in the two thousands, they instituted the zone

1212
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:04,200
Speaker 1: defense rule where you could be in the paint for

1213
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:07,000
Speaker 1: three seconds, so that changed things in terms of how

1214
00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:10,160
Speaker 1: offenses had to operate. Where you know, Thibodeau with you

1215
00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:12,040
Speaker 1: guys kind of in at the ice ship.

1216
00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:13,480
Speaker 5: I think guys are more skilled, but I don't think

1217
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:15,960
Speaker 5: like fast and better strong. They've been athletes that are

1218
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:17,160
Speaker 5: really fast strong back then.

1219
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:17,320
Speaker 2: Like I'm not.

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00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:22,279
Speaker 5: I just think it's more motions, more running. Don't think

1221
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:24,600
Speaker 5: it's because way more. It's just the pace is more

1222
00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:26,880
Speaker 5: up and down, more half court set back.

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00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:30,319
Speaker 6: Then I say that, Okay, yeah, there's more movement. Right,

1224
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:35,480
Speaker 6: let's just say they're circling, circling. In the two thousand,

1225
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:38,800
Speaker 6: we had to fight through picks. We had to really fight.

1226
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:42,239
Speaker 5: It's more physical, so it's harder to do.

1227
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:45,400
Speaker 6: I gotta o tonight. I gotta get through this. Patrick,

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00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:47,480
Speaker 6: You and Anthony Mason pick and roll all night?

1229
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:49,000
Speaker 4: Is that hard?

1230
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:49,080
Speaker 1: On?

1231
00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:53,920
Speaker 6: So many times I'm bruised after the game on my

1232
00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:54,759
Speaker 6: shoulder hurt.

1233
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:56,759
Speaker 5: It is definitely it's hurt.

1234
00:55:56,880 --> 00:55:59,120
Speaker 1: So why we're more guys playing seventy five games a

1235
00:55:59,200 --> 00:55:59,720
Speaker 1: year then.

1236
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:01,480
Speaker 4: Because it's tougher.

1237
00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:07,520
Speaker 6: Now switching everything, so you make up for the running

1238
00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:10,560
Speaker 6: you had to do on defense. But our error you

1239
00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:13,640
Speaker 6: take that out of their defensive switching everything now you

1240
00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:16,960
Speaker 6: have to stay home on everybody, and you did more

1241
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:18,279
Speaker 6: running on defense.

1242
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:21,480
Speaker 5: More half, more half court set though I don't disagree.

1243
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:23,680
Speaker 5: It was definitely a tougher error. It was definitely more physical.

1244
00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:26,520
Speaker 5: But this error is more miles. They're getting more miles,

1245
00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:28,960
Speaker 5: they're running more marathons. Bro. So like that's why the

1246
00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:30,720
Speaker 5: tendance you have an attendant issue.

1247
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:32,000
Speaker 2: I do think they just do.

1248
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:34,200
Speaker 5: So, it's just it's more up and down. It's less

1249
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:37,839
Speaker 5: half set back then. It's No, I'm not saying it's harder.

1250
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:41,280
Speaker 5: I'm just saying it's hard it's harder for the tendons.

1251
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:42,960
Speaker 4: When I'm switching on defense every time.

1252
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:45,240
Speaker 3: Down I'm switching.

1253
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:48,120
Speaker 6: You know you're not every Now now I'm sitting there

1254
00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:50,000
Speaker 6: here on deepense watching the icehole.

1255
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:51,960
Speaker 5: You're taking it differently. I'm not I'm saying. I'm not

1256
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:54,040
Speaker 5: saying it's harder. I'm saying it's harder for your tendons

1257
00:56:54,040 --> 00:56:55,560
Speaker 5: on the body than it is. Like I think that

1258
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:59,360
Speaker 5: that was probably a harder defense mentally, mentally and physically.

1259
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:01,200
Speaker 5: I think it was harder that like to actually do it.

1260
00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:04,400
Speaker 1: But saying these guys aren't tough enough to play seventy

1261
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:05,120
Speaker 1: five games.

1262
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:06,920
Speaker 4: We ran through the middle of the paint. You was

1263
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:09,399
Speaker 4: getting hit. You don't get hit?

1264
00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:13,719
Speaker 5: Yeah you was, but you was also playing a half seven.

1265
00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:16,160
Speaker 5: So it's more stagnant, way.

1266
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:18,600
Speaker 3: More now, way less movement.

1267
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:22,560
Speaker 5: So against would you would you rather get the bruises

1268
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:25,160
Speaker 5: of muscle bruises or tendant? Like that's a different Why

1269
00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:27,880
Speaker 5: are we getting bruises because because we're not conditioned?

1270
00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:29,240
Speaker 4: Because we're not.

1271
00:57:29,160 --> 00:57:31,280
Speaker 5: Maybe so every day maybe something I agree with that

1272
00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:32,360
Speaker 5: practice every day?

1273
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:34,560
Speaker 6: So I agree with like you heard the term when

1274
00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:36,680
Speaker 6: I was going up practice, how you play well?

1275
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:38,640
Speaker 4: You're playing and not practicing.

1276
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:41,320
Speaker 5: And not even now, why.

1277
00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:43,720
Speaker 4: Is there more hamstrings because you're not practicing.

1278
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:45,760
Speaker 2: I think it's just over I think it's overuse. I

1279
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:46,400
Speaker 2: really do that.

1280
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:48,240
Speaker 4: I think it's over practicing.

1281
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:50,040
Speaker 5: How you I agree with that too, but also that

1282
00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:51,160
Speaker 5: they don't even they do practice.

1283
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:54,840
Speaker 6: I'm more conditioned to play every night. My body is not.

1284
00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:57,520
Speaker 6: It's not stiff because I practiced yesterday.

1285
00:57:57,520 --> 00:57:59,360
Speaker 2: Do we get more toughness back into the game.

1286
00:57:59,400 --> 00:57:59,640
Speaker 5: Poll.

1287
00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:02,840
Speaker 6: You gotta you gotta change the rules. You gotta allow

1288
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:06,200
Speaker 6: defense to be defense. You know what I'm saying. You

1289
00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:08,400
Speaker 6: got that freedom of movement, all that. No, you gotta

1290
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:10,600
Speaker 6: allow holding, grabbing, some of that, all of that. You

1291
00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:14,800
Speaker 6: can't just let the offense. Everybody score fifty now, but

1292
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:19,200
Speaker 6: it's still a physical game. Why are the guards all

1293
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:20,600
Speaker 6: rebounding the bigs?

1294
00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:22,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, like, come on, I got it.

1295
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:24,520
Speaker 4: But I love I love watching it.

1296
00:58:24,560 --> 00:58:26,360
Speaker 6: You know I'm not not not not, but I'm just

1297
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:28,480
Speaker 6: saying why it is how it is for sure.

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00:58:29,720 --> 00:58:30,160
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