WEBVTT - This whole Dan Hurley story isn't adding up... 0:00:10.119 --> 0:00:15.520 On this episode of a heat check. Tell yes, this 0:00:15.720 --> 0:00:20.160 is exactly what I wanted. Dan Hurley did it. He 0:00:20.239 --> 0:00:26.520 made his decision and he rebuffed the Lakers and is 0:00:26.560 --> 0:00:30.680 staying in Connecticut. So yes, we bring on Lakers insider 0:00:31.480 --> 0:00:37.159 and friend of show, producer of show actually Anthony Irwin 0:00:37.200 --> 0:00:39.879 to help us make sense of it. Anthony, let's get 0:00:39.960 --> 0:00:43.040 right into it. Let's drop that motherfucking beat that should 0:00:43.040 --> 0:01:01.960 be reON O leader. Shit. Wow, I know it's not 0:01:02.040 --> 0:01:05.960 breaking really anymore because it happened yesterday, but we've got 0:01:06.000 --> 0:01:08.840 breaking news and it has absolutely zero to do with 0:01:08.920 --> 0:01:12.000 the finals, and it's dominated the landscape of the news 0:01:12.000 --> 0:01:14.240 cycle even while the Finals were going on. No one 0:01:14.319 --> 0:01:17.920 even cares about this Boston Celtics Dallas Maverick series. I 0:01:17.959 --> 0:01:20.000 literally was walking with someone that were like, who's playing 0:01:20.000 --> 0:01:23.760 against the Celtics again, I'm like, bro, it's Luka Doncic 0:01:24.200 --> 0:01:28.240 in the Dallas bricks. Leave it to the Los Angeles 0:01:28.319 --> 0:01:33.000 Lakers to steal the thunder from the actual games themselves. 0:01:34.160 --> 0:01:37.320 The backstory here is incredible. I won't get into it 0:01:37.400 --> 0:01:41.160 all download the last podcast because we go into it instead. 0:01:41.280 --> 0:01:46.200 I have been reached out too by multiple Laker insiders 0:01:46.720 --> 0:01:52.760 and people who are extremely close to this organization, and 0:01:52.840 --> 0:01:58.120 the picture that they are painting is just insane. I 0:01:59.720 --> 0:02:03.240 don't know what's going on inside this organization. That's the 0:02:03.320 --> 0:02:05.920 question of the hour. There's a few things we do know. 0:02:06.040 --> 0:02:10.200 For fact Number one, the Lakers were extremely public about 0:02:10.240 --> 0:02:14.080 wanting to hire Dan Hurley, and I think I think 0:02:14.120 --> 0:02:16.919 that was like real, but they were very public about 0:02:16.960 --> 0:02:21.120 wanting them and courting them. Two, the Hurley camp leaked 0:02:21.120 --> 0:02:23.519 the number that they were looking for was eight years 0:02:23.520 --> 0:02:29.280 and one hundred million. Three the Lakers offered six years 0:02:29.360 --> 0:02:33.880 and seventy million, which is thirty million dollars short of expectation. 0:02:35.120 --> 0:02:38.280 Monday morning, Hurley turns down the Lakers job and is 0:02:38.320 --> 0:02:41.440 now in line to become the highest paid coach in 0:02:41.520 --> 0:02:44.880 all of college basketball, which Connecticut governor came out and 0:02:44.919 --> 0:02:48.440 said today. Those are four facts, but the context of 0:02:48.440 --> 0:02:54.400 the facts are delicious. They are bonkers. I haven't done 0:02:54.440 --> 0:02:56.040 this before, but I kind of felt like it was 0:02:56.080 --> 0:02:58.360 warranted because I think that the opinions were good, and 0:02:58.400 --> 0:03:02.160 I think that they show like the kind of evolution 0:03:02.440 --> 0:03:06.160 of the opinion over time or immediate reaction to Oh, 0:03:06.240 --> 0:03:08.760 I've got some more information let's share it. I'm gonna 0:03:08.760 --> 0:03:10.960 play the audio of my immediate reaction that I did 0:03:10.960 --> 0:03:15.880 after the news dropped. Buckle up, life comes at you fast. Oh, 0:03:15.960 --> 0:03:19.200 this is delicious, great stuff on a Monday. Not because 0:03:19.440 --> 0:03:21.600 just Dan Hurley decides to go back to Yukon and 0:03:21.639 --> 0:03:24.840 fucks the Lakers over, but because the Lakers fumbled the bang, 0:03:25.200 --> 0:03:29.399 absolute disaster situation. Not only was it a terrible fit, 0:03:29.440 --> 0:03:32.280 because let's be honest, like Rob doesn't know what he's doing, 0:03:32.360 --> 0:03:35.600 Genie Bust doesn't know what she's doing. Linda Rambis is around. 0:03:35.640 --> 0:03:39.680 Why is she around? But we're not talking about a franchise. 0:03:39.760 --> 0:03:43.280 Is that got They got Steve Bomber money? Okay, this 0:03:43.320 --> 0:03:48.080 is a mom and pop organization and they promised him 0:03:48.400 --> 0:03:51.160 one hundred million. That was the reports. And guess what 0:03:51.280 --> 0:03:53.240 they went down to six year seventy and he was like, 0:03:53.440 --> 0:03:57.080 I think guy will go back to stores. Thank you 0:03:57.160 --> 0:04:01.040 very much. Smith said it perfectly. If this is remotely true, 0:04:01.400 --> 0:04:03.800 it's time to sell the team. One of the premier 0:04:03.840 --> 0:04:06.640 franchises in all of sports can't be losing out on 0:04:06.680 --> 0:04:10.920 players or coaches because of money. Remember, Genie Buss only 0:04:11.000 --> 0:04:14.520 makes money from the Lakers. That there's no other source 0:04:14.520 --> 0:04:18.080 of revenue, not like Steve Balmer, not like Matt Ishbia, 0:04:18.560 --> 0:04:22.400 not like James Dolan, not like the list of other billionaires. 0:04:22.520 --> 0:04:25.520 She's by far one of the poorest owners in all 0:04:25.560 --> 0:04:27.839 of the NBA. She was not about to give them 0:04:27.880 --> 0:04:32.359 one hundred million. Can't allow the Detroit Pistons to be 0:04:32.440 --> 0:04:34.919 able to pay a coach more than you, and a 0:04:35.000 --> 0:04:38.719 coach that doesn't even deserve the money. Oh my god, 0:04:38.960 --> 0:04:42.599 I love this so much. Oh he's a Portland fan. 0:04:42.720 --> 0:04:49.280 It's beautiful. Yeah, I love it. I do. I just say, 0:04:49.520 --> 0:04:52.800 Linda's got a weird case. Why is she around? Honestly, 0:04:53.560 --> 0:04:58.680 why is Linda Rambis always around? Anyway? So then I 0:04:58.720 --> 0:05:02.560 got some calls, like literally immediately, I got calls, Hey, 0:05:02.560 --> 0:05:04.240 I gotta tell you this, Hey gotta tell you this, Hey, 0:05:04.279 --> 0:05:07.880 I gotta tell you this. Inside the house. The call 0:05:08.040 --> 0:05:11.919 is coming from inside the house. And the tea was 0:05:11.960 --> 0:05:14.680 so hot I had to drop an ice cube just 0:05:14.720 --> 0:05:17.560 to sip it. And there's an honest to god conspiracy theory. 0:05:17.800 --> 0:05:20.640 Not only did I get this directly, other NBA insiders 0:05:20.680 --> 0:05:22.960 were coming out of the woodworks to say basically the 0:05:23.000 --> 0:05:25.880 same thing. And you know, I love a good NBA 0:05:26.000 --> 0:05:29.520 conspiracy theory. So let's play what I had to say 0:05:29.560 --> 0:05:32.280 in terms of the story that I was being told 0:05:33.200 --> 0:05:38.799 of the saga around Dan Hurley and his courting process 0:05:38.880 --> 0:05:41.640 by the LA Lakers. Well, the streets are talking about 0:05:41.640 --> 0:05:43.720 this whole Dan Hurley Lakers thing, and now I'm gonna 0:05:43.720 --> 0:05:46.240 bring it to you. The rumor is that the media 0:05:46.360 --> 0:05:50.480 mobster aka Woch had a multi tier plan to one 0:05:50.760 --> 0:05:54.799 take out and discredit his foe and competitor in this sport, 0:05:55.080 --> 0:05:58.640 get one of his best friends the bag, and help 0:05:58.680 --> 0:06:00.680 shape a narrative for one of his great sources, the 0:06:00.800 --> 0:06:02.640 LA Lakers, to make it look like they know what 0:06:02.680 --> 0:06:06.880 they are doing when they definitely definitely do not. June fourth, 0:06:07.240 --> 0:06:09.800 Lakers are zeroing in on JJ Reddick as the front runner, 0:06:10.040 --> 0:06:12.680 even put out sourcing that he had already interviewed. We 0:06:12.760 --> 0:06:14.839 know there's a scoop board between Shams and Woj, and 0:06:14.880 --> 0:06:17.880 Sean's been racking up way too many ws lately. This 0:06:18.040 --> 0:06:21.320 sourcing then comes out from Woch one day later. Actually, 0:06:21.360 --> 0:06:24.920 the Lakers are zeroing in to give a massive contract 0:06:24.920 --> 0:06:30.880 to Dan Hurley, and they have been targeting him four weeks. Okay, 0:06:31.400 --> 0:06:35.200 Dan Hurley visits the Lakers and says he was compelled 0:06:35.320 --> 0:06:38.760 and intrigued and impressed. Hurley decides to stay at Yukon 0:06:39.160 --> 0:06:41.960 after a dogged pursuit of Hurley. See this is what 0:06:42.000 --> 0:06:44.480 I'm talking about. It makes it look like the Lakers 0:06:44.520 --> 0:06:47.240 are putting on a very thorough search when we know 0:06:47.400 --> 0:06:50.080 that they have not. It been literally this idea like 0:06:50.160 --> 0:06:53.440 four days ago. Joe Pompiano said it best. It's almost 0:06:53.520 --> 0:06:56.320 like Dan Hurley leaked all this through his friend who 0:06:56.360 --> 0:06:58.760 literally wrote a book on his dad to secure himself 0:06:58.760 --> 0:07:01.360 a bigger contract than you can. Wod gets a scoop, 0:07:01.520 --> 0:07:03.919 the Lakers get to say, hey, we tried, and Hurley 0:07:03.920 --> 0:07:06.679 gets a huge race. So along the way, Sean's looks 0:07:06.680 --> 0:07:08.840 like he's a fucking idiot when he was the one 0:07:08.839 --> 0:07:18.960 that was right all along. Yeah, I mean, woj also, 0:07:19.120 --> 0:07:24.480 by the way, extremely desperate to cover his tracks and 0:07:24.560 --> 0:07:27.080 make it look like the whole thing was not a ruse, 0:07:27.840 --> 0:07:33.680 that it was extremely legit, and that danerally was totally 0:07:34.680 --> 0:07:39.680 enchanted by the conversations that he had when he totally 0:07:39.920 --> 0:07:43.400 definitely went to la for a real meeting, which I'm 0:07:43.440 --> 0:07:45.280 not really even sure that. 0:07:45.280 --> 0:07:48.160 He flew out the half right like we did. Anyone 0:07:48.240 --> 0:07:51.960 see it anyway? He tweets this out as swept away. 0:07:52.600 --> 0:07:57.360 As Hurley became by the Lakers courtship and vision for him, 0:07:58.000 --> 0:08:01.160 he ultimately couldn't walk away from a chance to make 0:08:01.280 --> 0:08:06.880 history and pursue a third straight nc DOUBLEA title. Even 0:08:06.960 --> 0:08:08.240 before Lakers. 0:08:07.960 --> 0:08:12.840 Talks, Hurley had already had a Yukon offer to become 0:08:12.880 --> 0:08:17.840 one of the highest paid NCUBLEA coaches. And those talks 0:08:17.920 --> 0:08:22.040 will continue, meaning you better give that man his money. 0:08:22.600 --> 0:08:28.680 Those talks will continue. Okay, all right, There's one thing 0:08:28.680 --> 0:08:32.120 that I want to address before we get into this 0:08:32.200 --> 0:08:36.520 interview with Anthony. This is now the third NCUBLEA championship 0:08:36.600 --> 0:08:41.760 coach that ditched the Lakers, Jerry Tarkanian in the seventies 0:08:42.440 --> 0:08:46.400 because they killed his manager, the mob, and he got spooked. 0:08:46.520 --> 0:08:50.920 That's what happened. Actually, Coach K got cold feet and 0:08:51.040 --> 0:08:56.120 Dan Early Danny Early, which like he's a scoundrel. Wait, 0:08:56.679 --> 0:09:01.120 what he did was a masterclass in negotiating tactics. But 0:09:01.200 --> 0:09:03.520 it's the Coach K analogy that I think want I 0:09:03.600 --> 0:09:07.240 want to help illuminate how badly the Lakers fucked this up. 0:09:07.280 --> 0:09:11.120 And now I'm not saying that he really wanted it. 0:09:11.160 --> 0:09:13.440 But sometimes there's just amount of money that you say, 0:09:14.280 --> 0:09:18.560 fuck my career, fuck my legacy, I'm gonna take the 0:09:18.760 --> 0:09:21.240 biggest bag possible, and if I fail, I can go 0:09:21.280 --> 0:09:24.040 somewhere else. I found an article from the La Times 0:09:24.280 --> 0:09:27.160 from two thousand and four July two thousand and four, 0:09:27.600 --> 0:09:30.320 the Lakers were in the midst of their coaching search 0:09:30.880 --> 0:09:34.679 and they were courting coach K. They offered coach K 0:09:34.800 --> 0:09:40.200 the Lakers did five years, forty mili eight million dollars 0:09:40.200 --> 0:09:42.959 a year, which I think is less than they offered 0:09:43.040 --> 0:09:49.280 Tylou like two years ago, which is tremendous, almost exactly 0:09:49.360 --> 0:09:53.400 twenty years ago, and that eight million dollars today would 0:09:53.400 --> 0:09:56.360 still make you the seventh highest paid coach in the NBA. 0:09:56.960 --> 0:10:00.480 That's insane. But that's not even the real content of this. 0:10:00.520 --> 0:10:03.960 Because if you go through this economic history website that 0:10:04.000 --> 0:10:07.000 they have called how Much is that, it's a calculator. 0:10:07.160 --> 0:10:09.880 It allows you to translate the value of money at 0:10:09.880 --> 0:10:13.000 any time into American history and convert it into today's value. 0:10:13.480 --> 0:10:16.280 It's called the present value of money. You know, how 0:10:16.360 --> 0:10:19.360 much forty million dollars in two thousand and four is 0:10:19.400 --> 0:10:24.240 worth in twenty twenty four money. It has a real 0:10:24.400 --> 0:10:28.520 dollar amount of today of sixty seven million dollars, which 0:10:28.600 --> 0:10:31.680 could equal out to thirteen point four million dollars per year, 0:10:31.920 --> 0:10:35.679 which I think is money Williams money. Maybe that's how 0:10:35.720 --> 0:10:40.080 the Detroit Pistons spenciled that out. So how the fuck 0:10:40.640 --> 0:10:43.240 did the Lakers low ball generally to the tune of 0:10:43.280 --> 0:10:46.040 eleven point sixty seven million a year when all of 0:10:46.040 --> 0:10:48.440 the rumors were that he wanted twelve point five million 0:10:48.480 --> 0:10:52.720 dollars per year. Well, because very simply, Jerry Buss still 0:10:52.760 --> 0:10:55.319 ran that thing in two thousand and four, and now 0:10:55.360 --> 0:11:00.920 we got the Genie bus Bus now controlling things. And 0:11:01.000 --> 0:11:06.640 I believe if the Lakers offered Dan Hurley thirteen point 0:11:06.720 --> 0:11:09.840 four million dollars a year or actually just like almost 0:11:09.880 --> 0:11:13.960 any time period but an automatic guarantee hundred million, you 0:11:14.040 --> 0:11:16.960 see one hundred million, you say, sorry, babe, can't turn 0:11:17.000 --> 0:11:19.720 that down. And I think Andreas says, sorry, babe, we 0:11:19.760 --> 0:11:23.120 can't turn that down. He's in purple and gold right now, baby, 0:11:23.280 --> 0:11:27.120 He's got lebron t shirts ready in the mail for him. 0:11:27.640 --> 0:11:29.839 As good friend of show. Keith Smith, the spow Track 0:11:29.880 --> 0:11:32.760 tweeted out today if they really did low Ballhurley after 0:11:32.800 --> 0:11:36.800 that public of according, Palinka should be fired and Genie 0:11:36.800 --> 0:11:41.600 Buss should sell the team. But instead the Lakers barely 0:11:41.640 --> 0:11:44.600 matched eleven million a year, which is, by the way, 0:11:45.600 --> 0:11:49.080 what Kentucky offered Dan. Really the Dan really immediately turned down. 0:11:49.760 --> 0:11:51.880 They offered him the same money that he had already 0:11:51.880 --> 0:11:53.920 said was not enough to get him away from stores. 0:11:54.120 --> 0:11:56.559 And that's not even factoring in the fact that eleven 0:11:56.559 --> 0:12:01.160 million dollars in LA is not even close to eleven 0:12:01.240 --> 0:12:07.400 million dollars in Kentucky. In Kentucky, Baby Lexington. So now 0:12:07.720 --> 0:12:11.840 Dan really is staying east to pursue history. The Lakers 0:12:11.880 --> 0:12:14.280 now have to go with whatever it is that they 0:12:14.320 --> 0:12:17.920 say Plan B is. James Brego get the fuck out 0:12:17.960 --> 0:12:21.520 of here, little finger Woge returns back to ESPN to 0:12:21.600 --> 0:12:24.480 thek his wounds. Let's be real, like, does he get 0:12:24.480 --> 0:12:26.920 a Dan Early kickback? I don't know. Will it be 0:12:26.960 --> 0:12:29.880 your book deal? Will he get paid? Who knows? All 0:12:29.920 --> 0:12:33.680 of the all of the stuff is just so delicious. 0:12:34.080 --> 0:12:37.319 Sham's has proven correct again. And then JJ Reddick when 0:12:37.360 --> 0:12:40.000 he gets off of the job after the Celtics sweep 0:12:40.040 --> 0:12:43.200 the Dallas Mavericks. Uh and then they turn him down. 0:12:43.320 --> 0:12:45.240 Then he turns them down. The Lakers are gonna have 0:12:45.280 --> 0:12:47.960 to start a square one. They will remain a dumpster fire. 0:12:48.400 --> 0:12:53.120 It is currently three weeks before the NBA Draft, less 0:12:53.120 --> 0:12:55.680 than a month before free agency, and the Lakers have 0:12:55.760 --> 0:12:57.480 no coach, they have no plan. Bro Like, what are 0:12:57.520 --> 0:13:01.560 they doing? What's happening? Delp Us makes this. Let's turn 0:13:01.559 --> 0:13:04.040 to my man man, Anthony Irwin of the Lakers Lounge. 0:13:04.320 --> 0:13:06.920 He appeared on my show tonight at MGM Tonight, which 0:13:06.960 --> 0:13:09.800 airs from seven to eleven Eastern on the radio most 0:13:09.800 --> 0:13:11.720 major markets, as well as live on video on Twitch 0:13:11.720 --> 0:13:15.880 and YouTube. Anthony gave us so much tea. We asked 0:13:15.960 --> 0:13:18.040 them about Lynda Ramis. We had too, So let's get 0:13:18.040 --> 0:13:22.480 into it. 0:13:22.640 --> 0:13:25.679 It's been a very quiet day surrounding the Lakers. Obviously 0:13:25.720 --> 0:13:28.760 not much going on now. Dan Hurley turning down If 0:13:28.760 --> 0:13:30.040 you missed it, I don't know how you could have 0:13:30.040 --> 0:13:31.959 missed it at this point, turning down the Lakers offer. 0:13:32.160 --> 0:13:34.240 He's gonna stay at Yukon. He's gonna look to go 0:13:34.280 --> 0:13:37.000 to a threepeat. Anthony Irwin jumps on with US Lakers 0:13:37.000 --> 0:13:39.320 Insider for Lakers Daily, which I'm sure you've had a 0:13:39.480 --> 0:13:42.520 very quiet day yourself, Anthony, not alot go. The last 0:13:42.520 --> 0:13:44.680 time you were on here, the Lakers were looking for 0:13:44.720 --> 0:13:47.080 a head coach. Well, here we are the Lakers are 0:13:47.120 --> 0:13:50.520 looking for a head coach again. At this point, let's 0:13:50.600 --> 0:13:53.959 just look back on the situation with Dan Hurley, from 0:13:54.080 --> 0:13:56.640 JJ Reddick to Dan Hurley. How did we get to 0:13:56.679 --> 0:13:59.400 that point? And now how are we once again still 0:13:59.440 --> 0:14:01.280 with the Lakers trying to find who their next head 0:14:01.320 --> 0:14:02.120 coach is going to be. 0:14:03.720 --> 0:14:05.600 I think it all kind of starts and ends with 0:14:06.120 --> 0:14:13.199 the Lakers lowballing Hurley, you know, he so essentially John 0:14:13.240 --> 0:14:19.680 Fanta of Fox Sports had reported that Hurley was, you know, 0:14:19.840 --> 0:14:23.200 kind of the deal that was out there potentially was 0:14:23.240 --> 0:14:26.560 for upwards of one hundred million dollars. So I took 0:14:26.600 --> 0:14:29.120 that to some of the people who I know close 0:14:29.160 --> 0:14:32.040 to the Lakers and asked them if they thought that 0:14:32.120 --> 0:14:34.360 the Lakers would get to that level. That was pretty 0:14:34.360 --> 0:14:38.640 clearly Hurley leaking, or Hurley's camp leaking his expectation what 0:14:38.720 --> 0:14:41.440 it would take to get him away from Yukon and 0:14:41.760 --> 0:14:45.920 get him away from that opportunity to repeat. And I 0:14:46.120 --> 0:14:49.720 was told that, yeah, the Lakers you know, obviously that's 0:14:49.720 --> 0:14:52.240 pretty steep for a rookie head coach. But the Lakers 0:14:52.280 --> 0:14:55.200 knew what game that they were playing and thought that, 0:14:55.640 --> 0:14:59.560 you know, they would make that kind of a compelling offer. 0:15:00.240 --> 0:15:03.760 And then the reports today from Ahrian Mozarowski is that 0:15:03.800 --> 0:15:09.320 he only got an offer of six years over for 0:15:09.360 --> 0:15:12.640 seventy million bucks. And you know that's less than Monty 0:15:12.640 --> 0:15:15.560 Williams is making. You know that you got across the 0:15:15.600 --> 0:15:18.400 Monty bar. Even though Detroit screwed up by giving him 0:15:18.400 --> 0:15:20.320 that contract, you got across that Monty bar. 0:15:21.240 --> 0:15:24.520 Yeah, it's a sad day when you can't even compete 0:15:24.520 --> 0:15:29.160 with the Detroit Pistons. I was listening to your Twitter live, 0:15:29.200 --> 0:15:32.880 your ex live yesterday and last night, deep into the night, 0:15:32.920 --> 0:15:37.440 and it's obviously been very confusing this whole saga, right, 0:15:37.560 --> 0:15:41.960 And I wonder how much of the Dan Hurley to 0:15:42.040 --> 0:15:47.400 the Lakers steam really was quote unquote weeks in the 0:15:47.400 --> 0:15:52.400 making versus a very convenient way for WOJ to dunk 0:15:52.440 --> 0:15:56.560 on Schams for leaking the report about JJ and also 0:15:56.640 --> 0:15:58.720 help get his friend paid the bag. 0:15:59.480 --> 0:16:02.200 Yeah, there are definitely plenty of people out there who 0:16:02.240 --> 0:16:05.400 think that this was a bit of a ploy from 0:16:05.640 --> 0:16:09.440 from Hurley. One thing I'll say though, is that the 0:16:09.560 --> 0:16:13.120 Lakers were very serious. They thought that they had a 0:16:13.200 --> 0:16:17.600 shot at Hurley. How mutual that that interest was, and 0:16:17.640 --> 0:16:20.440 all of that stuff that remains to be seen. I 0:16:20.440 --> 0:16:22.280 think we're going to be learning a little bit more 0:16:22.280 --> 0:16:24.640 about that over the coming days and weeks or whatever. 0:16:25.080 --> 0:16:27.520 But there are certainly enough people out there to where 0:16:27.560 --> 0:16:30.600 I don't think we could ignore the noise that potentially 0:16:30.640 --> 0:16:34.920 Woge got his one of his you know, closer people 0:16:35.200 --> 0:16:39.480 in the coaching circles paid. You know, he wrote a 0:16:39.520 --> 0:16:43.600 book on the Hurley family. When Hurley signed his most 0:16:43.640 --> 0:16:49.080 recent contract extension with Yukon, it was actually Wog who 0:16:49.080 --> 0:16:53.000 broke that story as well. Those ties are very very 0:16:53.000 --> 0:16:56.920 clearly there, And you know, considering everything that we had 0:16:56.920 --> 0:16:59.720 heard was JJ Reddick, It was JJ Reddick. It was 0:16:59.760 --> 0:17:02.680 JJ Redick. It was JJ Redick. And then to all 0:17:02.680 --> 0:17:05.879 of a sudden have Hurley pop in for a hot 0:17:05.920 --> 0:17:09.160 minute and walk out with a nice little extension from 0:17:09.240 --> 0:17:12.760 Yukon too. Like it, those those circumstances and all of 0:17:12.800 --> 0:17:14.119 that noise, you can't ignore it. 0:17:14.560 --> 0:17:16.720 Yeah, you brought up the contract like they maybe low 0:17:16.800 --> 0:17:19.080 balled them. Do you buy that he did like the 0:17:19.240 --> 0:17:22.399 vision and that he really enjoyed the meeting with and 0:17:22.480 --> 0:17:23.200 Genie Buss. 0:17:24.840 --> 0:17:29.720 You know, it reminds me of LaMarcus Aldridge a few 0:17:29.800 --> 0:17:35.199 years back where they completely bumbled their first meeting with 0:17:35.320 --> 0:17:38.720 LaMarcus Aldridge and it was so bad that they actually 0:17:38.760 --> 0:17:41.800 called Aldridge back to have a you know, to have 0:17:41.880 --> 0:17:45.680 a do over. And you know, like nobody's gonna outright 0:17:45.800 --> 0:17:48.600 crap on the Lakers through their sourcing. Nobody's gonna come 0:17:48.720 --> 0:17:51.400 like it. They are still that marquee franchise. They do 0:17:51.520 --> 0:17:54.439 have that amount of sway there or whatever. But like 0:17:55.280 --> 0:17:58.480 I do think that, you know, some of the compliments 0:17:58.520 --> 0:18:01.800 about it, like how how would exciting, honestly could a 0:18:01.920 --> 0:18:07.000 vision that involves two rambuses b I think that's with 0:18:07.359 --> 0:18:11.359 Frank Vogel, he was having his coaching meetings and he 0:18:11.359 --> 0:18:14.960 would randomly have Kurt Rambis storm into them when they 0:18:15.000 --> 0:18:18.879 were interviewing ty Lu. They were asking ty if it 0:18:18.920 --> 0:18:22.840 was okay if they hired Jason Kidd to basically kind 0:18:22.880 --> 0:18:25.920 of spy on him and rolay information back to Rob Polenka, 0:18:26.040 --> 0:18:29.360 Like it's not a serious organization right now, and they 0:18:29.440 --> 0:18:31.919 don't like there's no accountability for any of this. So 0:18:31.960 --> 0:18:35.359 there's no real nothing to prove that anybody is learning 0:18:35.440 --> 0:18:39.960 anything from either of these last two coaching Hire's debacles. 0:18:40.000 --> 0:18:43.040 The low one was really was really kind of tricky 0:18:43.040 --> 0:18:45.720 and unseerious, and this one looks to be as well. 0:18:46.400 --> 0:18:49.040 As soon as I saw that Dan Hurley said that 0:18:49.119 --> 0:18:53.120 he was impressed with the vision and impressed with Rob Polinka, 0:18:53.200 --> 0:18:56.800 I knew that was just absolutely not true and that 0:18:56.840 --> 0:18:59.399 he was not going to take the job. I do 0:18:59.480 --> 0:19:02.959 want to follow up, though, on the Rambus comment, because 0:19:03.000 --> 0:19:04.680 I don't think I've asked you this before, and we've 0:19:04.680 --> 0:19:08.240 had putting opportunities to talk about it. Why does Linda 0:19:08.359 --> 0:19:13.240 Rambis have so much effing power in this organization? Because today, 0:19:13.400 --> 0:19:17.159 just today I heard that she's actually like a top 0:19:17.240 --> 0:19:21.879 the pecking order in terms of like Sway Juice, et cetera. 0:19:22.400 --> 0:19:24.680 Former Laker girl. Linda Rambis. 0:19:25.280 --> 0:19:30.960 Yeah, she was actually portrayed in that Winning Time show. Yeah, 0:19:31.080 --> 0:19:35.199 that HBO did, and it really did kind of you know, 0:19:35.720 --> 0:19:37.880 it showed you gave you a little glimpse into that 0:19:38.040 --> 0:19:42.880 process and how that came to be where uh, doctor 0:19:42.920 --> 0:19:49.320 Bus basically assigned Genie Bus to Linda Rambis and the 0:19:49.400 --> 0:19:52.080 two kind of grew up through the organization together and 0:19:52.119 --> 0:19:54.760 they have known each other now for upwards of forty years. 0:19:55.119 --> 0:20:01.160 And and uh, Genie, you know, the one thing anybody 0:20:01.280 --> 0:20:04.320 who you talk to about Genie Bus, the one thing 0:20:04.400 --> 0:20:08.320 that they say is she is she is passionately loyal 0:20:08.400 --> 0:20:10.639 to the people who have been loyal to her. And 0:20:10.680 --> 0:20:13.160 there that you can't like, there are very few people 0:20:13.160 --> 0:20:14.960 who have been more loyal to Genie Bus over the 0:20:15.040 --> 0:20:17.879 years than Linda Rambus. And so when Genie took over, 0:20:18.440 --> 0:20:19.720 Linda got a big old promotion. 0:20:20.520 --> 0:20:21.560 She don't know anything about that. 0:20:22.400 --> 0:20:24.199 All I can think of is that winning time and 0:20:24.200 --> 0:20:27.960 that you know, uh, I know. Obviously a lot of 0:20:28.000 --> 0:20:31.240 stuff is thrown out. There's you know, stuff to manipulate 0:20:31.320 --> 0:20:33.359 the narrative or whatever the case is. We've talked about 0:20:33.359 --> 0:20:36.479 some of that. Jay Wright, anything with that is that 0:20:36.520 --> 0:20:39.320 complete bs, there's reports out there. He's like a dark horse. 0:20:39.359 --> 0:20:39.520 Now. 0:20:39.640 --> 0:20:41.199 I feel like I see that. And it's just like 0:20:41.320 --> 0:20:43.080 at this point, stuff just getting thrown at the wall 0:20:43.119 --> 0:20:44.119 to see if reports stick. 0:20:44.960 --> 0:20:48.600 That's essentially it. Everybody right now is just kind of 0:20:48.760 --> 0:20:53.280 because the thing is in all of these processes, those 0:20:53.280 --> 0:20:55.639 of us who try to relay information we get lied to. 0:20:55.880 --> 0:20:58.159 We understand what we're what we're doing. We understand that 0:20:58.200 --> 0:21:00.000 when we talk to people, we have to have our 0:21:00.240 --> 0:21:04.560 our our BS meter running and very sensitive to the 0:21:04.600 --> 0:21:08.240 possibility that maybe, just maybe somebody might not be fully 0:21:08.760 --> 0:21:11.680 honest with us, so they're trying to spin something to 0:21:12.040 --> 0:21:15.520 their benefit or to their clients benefit or whatever. But 0:21:16.320 --> 0:21:21.040 it's really rare that people feel outright lied to in 0:21:21.080 --> 0:21:23.719 the way that I have gotten the sense people feel 0:21:23.760 --> 0:21:28.439 outright lied to this this during this process, when you 0:21:28.480 --> 0:21:32.119 went from JJ and you got you arrived somehow at 0:21:32.160 --> 0:21:34.600 Dan Hurley and now the Lakers have basically hit the 0:21:34.640 --> 0:21:37.480 reset button. A lot of people feel like they just 0:21:37.520 --> 0:21:40.280 don't have a grasp, myself included, don't really have a 0:21:40.320 --> 0:21:44.360 grasp on where this thing heads. I think James Barrego 0:21:44.440 --> 0:21:47.400 has a possibility. His name has been there consistently from 0:21:47.400 --> 0:21:49.840 the get he has that time that he overlapped with 0:21:49.840 --> 0:21:53.280 Anthony Davis. Anthony Davis has basically I wouldn't go so 0:21:53.320 --> 0:21:55.400 far as to say he's stuck out his neck for Barrego, 0:21:55.760 --> 0:21:59.479 but he's kind of his preference or whatever. I just, 0:21:59.760 --> 0:22:02.200 you know, know, I think you're gonna get all kinds 0:22:02.200 --> 0:22:04.480 of names in the in the next week or two 0:22:04.600 --> 0:22:08.560 because the Lakers almost have to start from square one here. 0:22:08.600 --> 0:22:11.120 Their relationship with JJ Reddick isn't in a great place 0:22:11.200 --> 0:22:13.320 right now. He's the guy you would have thought would 0:22:13.359 --> 0:22:15.840 have just been the natural person you slide over to, 0:22:16.400 --> 0:22:18.600 but it doesn't seem that that's going to be the case. 0:22:18.760 --> 0:22:21.400 Everybody right now is just kind of searching for where 0:22:21.400 --> 0:22:23.680 do they go? The Lakers themselves are searching for where 0:22:23.720 --> 0:22:24.480 they Where do they go? 0:22:25.840 --> 0:22:30.000 Three weeks until the NBA Draft and we don't even 0:22:30.040 --> 0:22:34.040 have an idea who the head coach of this team 0:22:34.160 --> 0:22:39.840 is going to be? What an absolutely insane debacle? Are 0:22:39.960 --> 0:22:43.560 Is this like a poverty franchise? Now? Like where are 0:22:43.560 --> 0:22:46.040 we at in terms of like how close this is 0:22:46.200 --> 0:22:47.919 to an actual rebuild? 0:22:49.000 --> 0:22:50.840 I don't know that they're I mean, you still have 0:22:50.920 --> 0:22:52.600 Lebron in the organization. 0:22:52.520 --> 0:22:54.639 For the I mean, I guess, we don't know, We 0:22:54.720 --> 0:22:55.119 don't know. 0:22:56.119 --> 0:22:59.760 Yeah, this is Today's the first time all off season 0:22:59.760 --> 0:23:03.879 that I thoughts on myself, Man, he could really peace 0:23:03.920 --> 0:23:07.160 out like he you know, and nobody would hold it, 0:23:07.280 --> 0:23:10.320 like hold it against him. Not a single person would 0:23:10.359 --> 0:23:12.840 would look at this situation here and see how this 0:23:12.880 --> 0:23:16.760 has played out and say, gosh, Lebron didn't prioritize winning 0:23:17.240 --> 0:23:19.480 if he was to leave, you know, like nobody would 0:23:19.480 --> 0:23:23.840 say anything like that. And but so long as Lebron 0:23:24.440 --> 0:23:26.960 is in your organization, and so long as and the 0:23:27.040 --> 0:23:29.320 Lakers are operating as if he is going to be, 0:23:30.760 --> 0:23:33.280 you can't rebuild. You can't rebuild with a forty year 0:23:33.320 --> 0:23:37.280 old Lebron. And I don't even know what a team 0:23:37.320 --> 0:23:39.880 would give up for a forty year old Lebron given 0:23:40.400 --> 0:23:42.399 the weekend state that the Lakers are in from a 0:23:42.440 --> 0:23:45.760 negotiating standpoint. So I think their best path forward here 0:23:45.880 --> 0:23:51.920 is to try to scramble together and hire a head 0:23:51.960 --> 0:23:55.440