Speaker 1: We have rivers here where there's just signs that are
Speaker 1: like do not wait, bottom littered with pipe bombs. I
Speaker 1: just want to shout out they will always be great legs,
Speaker 1: steelhead to me, migratory rainbow snobs. Don't at me. He's
Speaker 1: got that rod, he's got my flower boxes. You're not fishing.
Speaker 1: People only use this in Alaska for trout. That's a
Speaker 1: bunch of pretentious indie movie bullshit. What do you think?
Speaker 1: This is an episode of freaking Philistines. That being said,
Speaker 1: it's on Netflix and you should check it out. Good
Speaker 1: morning to generate anglers, and welcome to Ben the fishing
Speaker 1: podcast that sounds so much better than a kick in
Speaker 1: the face with a golf shoe. Thanks to today's guest
Speaker 1: co host you know him, you love him, Ladies and gentlemen,
Speaker 1: are legendary audio engineer Phil Taylor is here. What Wow,
Speaker 1: I'm just as surprised as I'm sure the listeners are. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean, if you think about it, right, who else
Speaker 1: knows this podcast as intimately as you? So? Like Philly,
Speaker 1: Like you're the natural, You're the natural, like go to
Speaker 1: for guest co host number one, and I hope, I
Speaker 1: hope you piped in some roaring crowd sound effects for
Speaker 1: yourself because I think you deserve it. Um. Anyway, it's
Speaker 1: super good to have you here. Can I get you anything?
Speaker 1: Glass of water, subway tunahogi, a pack of bubble buts
Speaker 1: from our sponsors thirteen fishing maybe Okay, I want to
Speaker 1: go back to the tunahogy, but first I have to
Speaker 1: ask bubble buts. Can you please elaborate? I I will,
Speaker 1: I will. So these are extra girthy, shaky lures covered
Speaker 1: in donkey sauce. And if I I can, I know
Speaker 1: a guy, so I can get you a pack of
Speaker 1: them if you want them. Um. But it's funny because
Speaker 1: we hear you weekly weighing in on fish News. But
Speaker 1: this is the opportunity for myself and the listeners to
Speaker 1: really get to know you better. Like, dude, I have
Speaker 1: zero idea what your fishing history is. Do you fish?
Speaker 1: Have you? Have you ever fished? I don't know, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm not really sure either. I can. I can tell
Speaker 1: you though, that before I got a job at Meat Eater,
Speaker 1: which is a you know, a brand, a media brand
Speaker 1: that you know has a lot to do with hunting
Speaker 1: and fishing. Little bit a little bit um, I had
Speaker 1: caught one fish in my life one, Um, what was?
Speaker 1: What was that? I honestly could not tell you. I
Speaker 1: was on scenic Lake tac Lack in Washington State. UM,
Speaker 1: hit me up if you if I've got any Lake
Speaker 1: tac Lack uh regulars out there. But yeah, I have
Speaker 1: no idea what the fish was caught it. I was
Speaker 1: too gross out to touch it, So Phil, I wouldn't
Speaker 1: have said that. But I wouldn't have said that were
Speaker 1: you a little child or was this like not that
Speaker 1: long ago? It was about how about thirteen? Is that?
Speaker 1: Is that a little child? That's now? But that's right
Speaker 1: on the edge of I don't know how I feel
Speaker 1: about you being afraid to touch the fish. Um, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna look up Lake tackle Lac and I'm gonna figure
Speaker 1: out what it was. I'll come back to you with
Speaker 1: options and maybe from it'll jog your memory and you'll
Speaker 1: be like, it was that one Because I've never heard
Speaker 1: of it and I have no idea what's in there.
Speaker 1: Somebody will write in and let me know. But let
Speaker 1: me ask you this. Since you've been editing Bent for
Speaker 1: over a year now, has like any of the bullshit
Speaker 1: we've spewed made you want to go chase something you
Speaker 1: haven't before, Like, has any of this piqued your interest
Speaker 1: beyond our coverage of Pokemon lures? Uh, It's definitely piqued
Speaker 1: my interest. I honestly had no idea how deep this
Speaker 1: world went, right, I mean, like yeah, but like ads
Speaker 1: with anything, of course, it goes as deep as you
Speaker 1: wanted to go. And honestly, you guys go so deep
Speaker 1: that I get lost immediately, Like Miles. Miles made a
Speaker 1: joke a few weeks ago about how I'm sure Phil
Speaker 1: doesn't even listen to what we're talking about. He just
Speaker 1: kind of he's busy doing something else. You're about to
Speaker 1: tell me that was accurate, and you don't. I'd say
Speaker 1: that's about sixty eight percent accurate. So as least year,
Speaker 1: you're honest. That's why we love as as with most things. Uh.
Speaker 1: In regarding the podcast that I work on at this company,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm pretty lost. I bet I would love like
Speaker 1: kind of a surface level education or fishing trip one
Speaker 1: of these days from you, Joe. I don't know if
Speaker 1: that if we can make that happen. We have, we
Speaker 1: have talked about it for a while, where like we
Speaker 1: would start you off blue gill fishing and record that
Speaker 1: and like work it up and then eventually, like the
Speaker 1: big payoff was you'd flat here and I'd take you
Speaker 1: like bluefin fishing or something. I love it. I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't know where we are in the budget now,
Speaker 1: and now I'm kind of like scrambling to put this
Speaker 1: show together, so I might have to get back burnered
Speaker 1: for a little. It's at the bottom of the list
Speaker 1: I got. It was something that was talked about. Though.
Speaker 1: It frightens me a little that you say you get
Speaker 1: that lost, because we kind of strive to be like
Speaker 1: pretty like not too deep divy so that fisherman of
Speaker 1: all ILKs can listen to us. Well, here's something Joe,
Speaker 1: I've I've told you this before. I've told like almost
Speaker 1: everyone who works at Meat Eater and anyone I can
Speaker 1: people on on the bus, I'll stop them and be like, hey,
Speaker 1: if you listened to Ben. Um, even though I don't
Speaker 1: know a lot about fishing, and now, since I was thirteen,
Speaker 1: I've caught about six or seven fish in my life,
Speaker 1: so you know, I wouldn't call myself an expert, but um,
Speaker 1: but like, even though I don't know a lot about fishing.
Speaker 1: I love listening to this show every week. It's it's
Speaker 1: it's the show I look forward to the most. I
Speaker 1: love that. I love that. It's great. It's part and
Speaker 1: I know that it's part of the reason why you're here.
Speaker 1: And I know you're not a hard wrangler, and that's okay, um,
Speaker 1: but we need more about you. You are like a
Speaker 1: traveler though, correct you get around. You were recently at
Speaker 1: the Minnesota State Fair. If I'm not mistaken, you put
Speaker 1: up a short expose on Instagram documenting foods on a stick. Yes,
Speaker 1: the Minnesota State Fair. It's the the epicenter of culture
Speaker 1: in the United States. I mean, I've done some traveling.
Speaker 1: I've I've been to Europe once. That was fun a
Speaker 1: lot of I'm a Pacific Northwest native, so I've spent
Speaker 1: some time in British Columbia, Canada. Uh, it's some some
Speaker 1: East Coast dabbling, but not not a whole lot of
Speaker 1: time spent there. So I'd love to get out there more.
Speaker 1: But it's pretty average, pretty average traveler. Fair enough. How
Speaker 1: about Old Mexico? You ever spent any time in Old Mexico?
Speaker 1: San Diego is the closest I been to Old Mexico.
Speaker 1: I've seen it from from a distance, but I can't
Speaker 1: so the wait. So you spend time in San Diego
Speaker 1: and did not go to Tijuana. No, is this you
Speaker 1: setting yourself up for a great Tijuana story or No,
Speaker 1: I've never been there either. But I've never been there either,
Speaker 1: But I think that's I thought that was the thing
Speaker 1: you do. Whatever the Tijuana story would be, whether it
Speaker 1: was yours or mind, we probably shouldn't tell it here
Speaker 1: because that's what happens in Tijuana. Um. But anyway, today's
Speaker 1: Smooth Move segment actually takes place both north and south
Speaker 1: of the border, and I'm excited about it. Um. Not
Speaker 1: only is this a great story, but most of you,
Speaker 1: at least I hope I haven't forgotten about the get
Speaker 1: bent experience. So a few months ago we dropped a
Speaker 1: contest giving you guys a chance to submit stories, and
Speaker 1: the winner got to join us for a Smooth Move segment. UM,
Speaker 1: And we certainly didn't forget about it, and we noted this.
Speaker 1: It's just that you guys sent so many great stories
Speaker 1: it took us forever to pare it down into clare winner.
Speaker 1: But today's the day, Phil, And it's actually it's just
Speaker 1: a great day for phills everywhere because you're here and
Speaker 1: it's a Phil in our story. So how about about that? Yes, absolutely,
Speaker 1: about Dr Phil. We checked on him. Is he doing No? No, no, no,
Speaker 1: we'll check on him next time. I'm just wondering any
Speaker 1: other films we can bring it here if any, if
Speaker 1: any come to mind, we'll We'll throw a man. But
Speaker 1: for the first time ever, a loyal Bent listener's voice
Speaker 1: shall be heard here, joining us all the way from
Speaker 1: ben Brook, Texas. Here's the Get Bent Experienced Grand Prize
Speaker 1: winner Phil van Horn. Why why did you? Oh my god?
Speaker 1: I am joined today on Smooth Moves by listener Phil
Speaker 1: van Horne. And this is a special deal. I have
Speaker 1: to I have to offer you congrats man, because you
Speaker 1: are the first fan in Bent history that has been
Speaker 1: on the show. Well, I appreciate, I'm honored. You said
Speaker 1: in your email when I when I alerted you to
Speaker 1: the wind, that you were speechless, which is rare. Oh yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I mean I couldn't believe it at first. I thought
Speaker 1: you were calling about my car warranty, you know, expired,
Speaker 1: and you're trying to offer this up on the email
Speaker 1: and I was like, listen, not scheme here. So now
Speaker 1: now sometimes it's not a scheme, and this time it wasn't,
Speaker 1: and I already know you got your your your mediator
Speaker 1: fishing schwag. I had to laugh because I was like,
Speaker 1: what size shirt? And you were like large or extra large?
Speaker 1: And then I got to follow up email that was like, actually,
Speaker 1: my wife reminded me that I am an extra large
Speaker 1: and to stop kidding myself. Yeah, which I feel you,
Speaker 1: I feel you on that. But um yeah, man, So
Speaker 1: we got a ton of entries, so pretty big deal
Speaker 1: to be weeded out as the grand prize winner. But
Speaker 1: this is one hell of a story. Um so take
Speaker 1: it from the top, man, lay it, lay it on us,
Speaker 1: all right. Well, wife and I got married twenty five
Speaker 1: years ago, twenty one to be exact, and so twenty
Speaker 1: years ago we started going down to Mexico to visit
Speaker 1: or family and Lake Amastab which is a huge lake,
Speaker 1: you know, great bass fishing. So we it's right there
Speaker 1: so to pass the time. I mean, it's a hundred
Speaker 1: degrees during the day, sitting around house and you know
Speaker 1: power rangers of the Spanish dub over it gets old.
Speaker 1: After a while, so I finished. I figured out, you know,
Speaker 1: our talker cousin into going fishing. And her cousin had
Speaker 1: all the lives. He was living in Mexico, going back
Speaker 1: and forth working and at that time he lived in
Speaker 1: Del Rio. So he goes, hey, we'll go in the evenings,
Speaker 1: no problem. So we went bass fishing. I just started
Speaker 1: doing it. My wife taught me to fly fishing, because
Speaker 1: she she's willing to try anything. So I was like, hey,
Speaker 1: let's go and h Her cousin at the time was
Speaker 1: working on this trip that we had and he wasn't
Speaker 1: able to go with me, but he had shown me
Speaker 1: back roads and which way to go across the border.
Speaker 1: So there's two main entrances back into the US. So
Speaker 1: you got a toll bridge, the International to seventy seven.
Speaker 1: You can sit there for hours, and I mean you're
Speaker 1: just taking a beating there. So you can take this
Speaker 1: back road route number two, and it goes right over
Speaker 1: the damn. I mean, you're dry having over the real
Speaker 1: grand looking down at Amnistad and you just wave at
Speaker 1: the border guards as you go by. So I was like,
Speaker 1: you know, I'll take that route. I can drive ninety
Speaker 1: miles an hour. There's nothing out there. I mean there's
Speaker 1: old movie sets and there's a like a good Year
Speaker 1: race track where they test tires. I've been down to
Speaker 1: this part of the world, not Amistad. I've been to
Speaker 1: Falcon now, so I know i know what you're talking about. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's different. Yeah yeah, two lane blacktop. Nothing out there,
Speaker 1: so you know, get run over by a dump truck,
Speaker 1: that's your own fault, you know that kind of thing. So,
Speaker 1: so we're gonna be out here three days in a row.
Speaker 1: I said, Hey, you know what, I'll I've always only
Speaker 1: fished conventional there, and if you talk to anybody there,
Speaker 1: it's always like hey, green pumpkin, green pumpkin, screen pump
Speaker 1: Then I'm like, you gotta try something different, right, I
Speaker 1: was like, I'm just gonna go fly fishing this time.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna take conventional gear. Mix it up. So
Speaker 1: the first day I went to the main border checkpoint
Speaker 1: at to seventy seven. It wasn't too bad, no traffic
Speaker 1: speak of, So I crossed the border. Get on where
Speaker 1: I'm gonna fish. The water level is always thirty with
Speaker 1: this lake, so fly fish, I mean, you got no,
Speaker 1: there's nothing to your back cast because you're standing limestone,
Speaker 1: catch a couple of fish top water. I'm like, hey,
Speaker 1: not a bad day, can't be upset. So I come
Speaker 1: back the back way and I'm coming over that damn
Speaker 1: on the smaller road. You came back on the smaller
Speaker 1: So I came back on that route and wave at
Speaker 1: the border guards. No questions asked, pass on through. Now
Speaker 1: I'm back home. I'm eating tacos by noon, so I'm like,
Speaker 1: this is amazing, breaks my heart. Day two, I get
Speaker 1: going the same route, get over the damn, wave at
Speaker 1: the opposing boat, at each opposing teammate border guards here,
Speaker 1: you know, to and from. So get on the lake
Speaker 1: in it's windy. I can't cast. I mean, there's nothing happen.
Speaker 1: So I head back. I catched some SpongeBob in Spanish
Speaker 1: and I get everything that I planned on. So Dave's
Speaker 1: three comes, and I mean it. I got there. I
Speaker 1: went the back way, crossover, wave back, I get over
Speaker 1: their star fishing. I'm you know, I'm about an hour
Speaker 1: after sunrise. I'm in the same thirty minutes. I'm catching
Speaker 1: left and right top water streamers. Everything's working. All of
Speaker 1: a sudden, the clowns leave blue bird skies and the
Speaker 1: fish disappeared. They swam back where they came from. So
Speaker 1: I said, all right, well, I'll pack this up and
Speaker 1: get back a little bit earlier. So I head back
Speaker 1: across the damn We're gonna go back that back way,
Speaker 1: the easy way. So I head back. I wave and promptly.
Speaker 1: I mean, as soon as I waved and started driving by,
Speaker 1: I get a hand on my hood and he says
Speaker 1: out the no posse, stop, no go, no passing here.
Speaker 1: It's like, great, where is this gonna cost me? So
Speaker 1: he points over to the side of the guard shack.
Speaker 1: They started asking me what are you doing? Where have
Speaker 1: you been? Why are you going to? Well all the time,
Speaker 1: I'll see you every day. So this is three days
Speaker 1: in a row, now right, three days in a row,
Speaker 1: an American and a Dodge DURINGO you know with the
Speaker 1: Texas plate. You know, I'm just cruising on in and uh,
Speaker 1: I mean, he's blaming me. He's what are you doing.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm fishing. He goes, no, you're not. What are
Speaker 1: you doing? You're you come back and forth this way?
Speaker 1: Are you smuggling? You know? You running drugs? People? What
Speaker 1: are we doing You're you don't You're not from here,
Speaker 1: and you keep coming this route. This is a kind
Speaker 1: of a local route. Are you fluent in Spanish? By
Speaker 1: the way, I speaking of conversational Spanish, my whole with
Speaker 1: my one, you know, to understand, right, Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: I'm holding the conversation with Spanish. So we're I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm sitting there in the car and he he tells
Speaker 1: me step on out. So I get escorted into the
Speaker 1: building where I find me a nice five by five
Speaker 1: holding cell baby blue. It's beautiful, no air conditioner, a
Speaker 1: little graded you know, a little raided door. Well, I
Speaker 1: realized that's a you know, that's my first time on
Speaker 1: this side of it. I was at that time, I
Speaker 1: was a I was a copyer in Texas. And so
Speaker 1: he sees my wallet. You know, he's already, you know,
Speaker 1: he's suspicious more now. So I was like, all right,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna swit this out. And uh, he just keeps
Speaker 1: asking me, what are you doing? What are you doing?
Speaker 1: Why are why are we here? He said, Man, I'm
Speaker 1: I'm out fishing. That's all I'm doing. He goes, You're
Speaker 1: not fishing, You're coming through her every day and I'm like, man,
Speaker 1: what do you where are we going with this? And
Speaker 1: I was like, hey, just check the back of my car.
Speaker 1: Fishing poles in the back. My wet boots are back there.
Speaker 1: Everything is in the back of my car. Sorry, I'm surprised. Man.
Speaker 1: He walked right back there, came back. He's got that rod,
Speaker 1: he's got my fly box, and he's got my book.
Speaker 1: You know, He's like, boots are wet. Ain't worried about it.
Speaker 1: He goes, you're not fishing. No one, No one fishes
Speaker 1: with this. I said, what man? I was completely offended.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I've never been accused of not fishing in
Speaker 1: my life. So the inspector he's he's really adamant about this.
Speaker 1: You're not fishing. People only use this in Alaska for trout.
Speaker 1: I'm blown away. I mean, I'm like, yeah, no, I
Speaker 1: get that here. When people ask me, hey, where do
Speaker 1: you go fish, I'm like, in water. I mean, I've
Speaker 1: never not fished in water. But I try not to
Speaker 1: be a jackass all the time, and you know, give
Speaker 1: up explanation. But so I'm like, all right, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to figure out how I'm getting out
Speaker 1: of this. I was like, hey, you find any contraband
Speaker 1: anything in my car? And he's just like, no, I
Speaker 1: don't have a computer with me, you know. So it's
Speaker 1: like no, not smuggling anything. So I was like, all right,
Speaker 1: like what do you want? You know, what, what do
Speaker 1: you mean to do? He goes, use it? Show me.
Speaker 1: I'm like, show you what do you been to show?
Speaker 1: You know? I mean we're going to climb down this hill.
Speaker 1: I mean, the the river's two feet lowe me. What
Speaker 1: are we gonna do? And he showed me. He's like
Speaker 1: handed it to me. I'm like, oh, he has been
Speaker 1: a cast. He's me prove my freedom, you know. So
Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, oh, your game symbol a rod
Speaker 1: let some uh you know, let some leader. And I'm like,
Speaker 1: how am I gonna up on the bridge right? You're
Speaker 1: like yeah, I'm all the day. I am two ft
Speaker 1: above the water, you know, staring, and I'm like, I
Speaker 1: can make a break for it, you know, run back
Speaker 1: fifty ft political asylum, I can die hard or whatever.
Speaker 1: You know. I advised that. I was like, well, then
Speaker 1: I lose my car and I mean he's got my
Speaker 1: boots back there, so what's more important? At this point?
Speaker 1: So I'm like, all right, I could jump to her
Speaker 1: feet to the river fifty ft to the water on
Speaker 1: the other side. I'm like, all cast. So I let
Speaker 1: some lead out and I sit there and I just
Speaker 1: start false casting, and I mean, I'm the most important
Speaker 1: cast I've ever made before. This was for a tailing redfish.
Speaker 1: You know which one is more important? This one? So
Speaker 1: I can go home or you know, a fish. I'm
Speaker 1: I'm letting this thing and I'm throwing the tightest loops
Speaker 1: I'll let it out. I'm casting and it just unfurls
Speaker 1: and it just rolls at lants perfectly on that concrete.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I'm surprise myself, you know, at this point. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So I look over at him. I'm like, you know,
Speaker 1: what do you think. You know, I'm a little little
Speaker 1: free lesson. I didn't charge him or anything, you know.
Speaker 1: So he kind of he kind of gives me that
Speaker 1: that reassuring nod, like, yeah, you're you're good. So I'm
Speaker 1: walking back to the truck. I'm like, he points to
Speaker 1: the back of the car. I got the back open,
Speaker 1: throwing it in. He goes. He points and goes, uh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I do, thank you. He goes no, that's my shutter
Speaker 1: Box six pack. And I went, well, thanks. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, compared to other things that people I
Speaker 1: know have had to give away, just give up in Mexico,
Speaker 1: a six pack of Shiner, no big deal. And I'm
Speaker 1: you know what, I had to import it. I mean,
Speaker 1: I guess that's my smuggling run for that day. So
Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, fair enough, you know, you take
Speaker 1: my take my beer. But then I'm like, hey, it
Speaker 1: was my fly box on my wallet, you know, let
Speaker 1: me have that back. He has been my fly box. Back,
Speaker 1: takes my wallet, takes a twenty dollar bill out of
Speaker 1: it and told me it's for your inspection. I said, oh, hey,
Speaker 1: no thanks. You know, I figured, hey, so I lost
Speaker 1: my taco money and I and my beer all the
Speaker 1: fatal swoop. But I'm like, hey, I'm free. But it's
Speaker 1: the most important cast you've ever made. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: it was freedom loops, you know, just it's just freedom loops. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So did you go back the rest of the trip
Speaker 1: or was that your last time across? That was my
Speaker 1: last day across at that point, you know, for that trip.
Speaker 1: So I was like, I'm done, you know, if I
Speaker 1: need to go back. I'll go back to the the U.
Speaker 1: S side. And it's a little you know with traffic
Speaker 1: and cars and witnesses and everything else. But no, that
Speaker 1: was that was it for this trip. And I was
Speaker 1: just that that was about all she wrote. There you go, man,
Speaker 1: Well look we I think, I said, we got a
Speaker 1: ton of great stories for the Get Bent experience, but
Speaker 1: casting for your freedom on a bridge in Mexico especially
Speaker 1: resonated with me because, like I said, I run into
Speaker 1: some ship in Mexico to um, that's the winner, man,
Speaker 1: that's the winner. Hey, I appreciate it. Man. The last
Speaker 1: time I've ever won anything was I got a phone
Speaker 1: call one time saying, hey, you've won his chance for
Speaker 1: the tickets for the Playboy Halloween Linger party back in
Speaker 1: And I'm sitting there on the on this phone and
Speaker 1: I in the in the hallway, you know, quarter wrapped
Speaker 1: around me, trying to figu out what's going on. He goes, hey,
Speaker 1: let me get your information. I'm like, many three reservations
Speaker 1: and plane ticket. I'm like, this is great, give out
Speaker 1: my day to birth and he goes, I'm sorry, you're
Speaker 1: only nineteen, went well, yeah, sorry you got uh thanks
Speaker 1: for playing hung up. I'm like, you know what, this
Speaker 1: wind was almost as good film. I'm I mean, twenty
Speaker 1: three years on the making, I finally want to go.
Speaker 1: I mean this beats Halloween, Lingerie, Playboy Mansion. Wow. Um,
Speaker 1: First of all, that sounds terrifying. Um, but it also
Speaker 1: sounds like it could be the great premise to a
Speaker 1: Coen Brothers movie. Yeah, dude, right on. And the part
Speaker 1: I'm still stuck on is freedom Loops. I guessn't that
Speaker 1: what you plan to call your company when you start
Speaker 1: your own audio production? Is this? One day you have
Speaker 1: freedom Loops by Phil. It's kind of like Fashions by
Speaker 1: deb you know, you know, loops loops are already a
Speaker 1: great audio that's a great audio word. Um, there's actually yeah,
Speaker 1: there's actually there's an audio editing software called Fruity Loops. Um.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if there's been any sort of like
Speaker 1: trademark lawsuit happening there with with the serial brand, but um,
Speaker 1: I'll have to check on that before I start Freedom Loops.
Speaker 1: I have to ask this, and I'm gonna date myself.
Speaker 1: Do you know what techno e J is? No clue? Okay,
Speaker 1: that's probably you're you're younger than me. That was like
Speaker 1: a techno thing I hadn't like, I don't know, freshman
Speaker 1: year of high schoo where you just made no on
Speaker 1: your PC. Anyway, enough about that, UM, i'd I'd love
Speaker 1: to hear you've got after I've already said too much,
Speaker 1: and I might somewhere I don't know. Um, but I
Speaker 1: can relate to Phil's story because I've actually been the
Speaker 1: guy in the back office at a Mexican airport paying
Speaker 1: taxes that are only payable in cash on camera equipment
Speaker 1: that I'm bringing in to create media that promotes tourism,
Speaker 1: you know, to your country. So whatever, and the arm
Speaker 1: the arm guards were not necessary. And the best part
Speaker 1: was this was a trip with pure fishing, big big
Speaker 1: Fishing brand. And as the guards are escorting me to
Speaker 1: the back of my bud who put the trip together, screaming,
Speaker 1: get me a receipt, I'll pay for this, I'm like, dude,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna this is gonna give me a receipt
Speaker 1: for the sixty dollars I just shelled out to buy
Speaker 1: everybody here lunch. Like, there's no real taxes, this is
Speaker 1: all fake. But you say I've never been in Mexico,
Speaker 1: so you've never had to deal with any of that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, I mean, you're you guys, You
Speaker 1: and the other fill are really selling me on Mexico.
Speaker 1: I gotta I gotta say so. Well, I enjoyed having
Speaker 1: phill on very much. And here's the deal, right, so,
Speaker 1: uh some of the runner up stories were so good.
Speaker 1: Don't be shocked if I hit up a few more
Speaker 1: of you to lay them down. And if I do,
Speaker 1: you will also get the same meat Eator fishing swag
Speaker 1: pack um that Phil got. Honestly, I would really love
Speaker 1: to hear all of your voices heard on Bent more often.
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna resurrect an idea for a new segment.
Speaker 1: We had this idea a while ago. It just never
Speaker 1: came to fruition. Oh is this the segment where you
Speaker 1: guys play rapple with Fishing on Nintendo? We over your
Speaker 1: techno music. No it's not. No, it's not that one.
Speaker 1: But man, see, I forgot your privy to all our shenanigans,
Speaker 1: like you know the inner workings as well as I do. Uh. No,
Speaker 1: we kicked around a segment we were gonna call Nibbles
Speaker 1: and SIPs, and I've revamped it slightly, and here's how
Speaker 1: it's gonna go. Uh. If you want to be heard
Speaker 1: on Bent right, email a voice memo to Bent at
Speaker 1: the meat Eator dot com. That's preferred, but I'll take
Speaker 1: voice memos via d M two and you could say
Speaker 1: whatever you want. Ask a question, tell me I suck,
Speaker 1: tell me I don't suck. Give your opinion about a
Speaker 1: recent show segment. Um, give me your rambling, possibly drunk
Speaker 1: version of your own. That's my bar, or tackle hack
Speaker 1: or end of the line, surprise me. And if your
Speaker 1: sweet sultry voice ends up on Nibbles and SIPs, I'll
Speaker 1: swag you out and phil am I asking for it here?
Speaker 1: Like is this a bad idea? Should I not? Is
Speaker 1: this okay? What do you think we could workshop the
Speaker 1: name a little bit? I think I think it's a
Speaker 1: video called Nibbles and SIPs at my friend's house in
Speaker 1: high school that I won't go into details here about
Speaker 1: that's it. But no, I'm not going to revamp the name.
Speaker 1: But it's funny. That's where you heard Nibbles and SIPs.
Speaker 1: I heard it from one of my six year old daughters.
Speaker 1: Like weird anime like cut C shows nibbles and SIPs
Speaker 1: was like tea time, and I was like, nibbles and SIPs,
Speaker 1: that's very fishy. I'm gonna use it. Yeah, that's great. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I'm not I'm not changing it because I like
Speaker 1: it both ways. Whatever you're talking about, text me later
Speaker 1: because with a link, because I want to see it.
Speaker 1: But I don't know. I don't know all think about
Speaker 1: that though, but I'm pretty stuck on nibbles and SIPs.
Speaker 1: And it was actually listener Anthony Marshaun who gave me
Speaker 1: this idea not long ago. I I did a new
Speaker 1: his piece about the giant sturgeon caught by retired hockey
Speaker 1: goalie Pete Peters. Do you remember this because I believe
Speaker 1: I lost news that week. Does that ring a bell?
Speaker 1: It does ring a bell. The story rings a bell.
Speaker 1: I don't remember which winner I declared, but it sounds
Speaker 1: like it sounds like you do remember, and it's really
Speaker 1: it's really, it's really sticking in your cross. I do.
Speaker 1: I do because I said that Peters once won the
Speaker 1: Vezina Trophy and man did I hear it from like
Speaker 1: six people, most of which were Canadians probably rocking hockey here.
Speaker 1: But Anthony sent me this voice memo. It's not called
Speaker 1: the Visma, Joe, It's called the Vesna. Get it right.
Speaker 1: First of all, I didn't say vezma or vesna, which
Speaker 1: is apparently correct. I said Vezina because it is spelled vezina.
Speaker 1: V easy. I n A like, dude, would you have
Speaker 1: guessed that the eye was silent? Absolutely not. No, I'm
Speaker 1: I'm on team Joe. Here on And that's how That's
Speaker 1: how language works, that's how words work, so exactly. And
Speaker 1: you know what, but this is a fishing podcast, not
Speaker 1: the penalty box or whatever you can ee eaters and
Speaker 1: knucklepuckers listen to. I will take my lips when I
Speaker 1: mess up fish it. But hockey stuff I do not care.
Speaker 1: But technically that was our first nibbles and SIPs segment.
Speaker 1: So Anthony is gonna get swagged out simply for giving
Speaker 1: me a hard time with a voice TM. See how
Speaker 1: easy that was. Um, but we are. We are going
Speaker 1: to have to come up with a good jingle though
Speaker 1: for next time. Oh yeah, I can't wait. I love
Speaker 1: throwing those together. I have I have some ideas that
Speaker 1: might come from Reno one fan. I never watched one,
Speaker 1: but I know that the whole crew was or most
Speaker 1: of them were a part of the state, which I did,
Speaker 1: and I've tried. I've tried to pull some state stuff
Speaker 1: for this show. There's very little of it on the
Speaker 1: YouTube's though, Like it's like buried in the in like
Speaker 1: in the annals of history. There's just not a lot
Speaker 1: of state clips out there. Um. Anyway, in the meantime,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to come up with current events sure
Speaker 1: to crush the new opponent stepping into the octagon that
Speaker 1: is fish News. Fish News escalated quickly, So kids News,
Speaker 1: how's that gonna work now? Well, for starters, we're gonna
Speaker 1: run two stories instead of four, mostly because Phil has
Speaker 1: told me our news gets quote long in the tooth
Speaker 1: sometimes and he's really tired of having to pay attention
Speaker 1: for that long. But also I realized, to preserve the
Speaker 1: sanctity of fish News, I need a dependable weekly co
Speaker 1: anchor just for this segment. So join me and welcoming
Speaker 1: my colleague Hayden Samic to this dog fight. How are you, man?
Speaker 1: How are you feeling? Hey, dude, I'm feeling good. Man.
Speaker 1: You sound like you're feeling good. I am man. I'm
Speaker 1: soaked to be doing this, you know, I love I
Speaker 1: love the Bend podcast. Man, I think we're gonna have
Speaker 1: a good time. Man. Thanks, we are, we are, We
Speaker 1: absolutely are. But for the listeners wondering why Hayden, basically
Speaker 1: I just call it h Q and was like, hey,
Speaker 1: do you guys have any of those millennials kicking around, like,
Speaker 1: you know the kind you can just keep keeping work
Speaker 1: on two and they're too afraid to say no, And
Speaker 1: they're just like, yeah, absolutely, take Hayden. So I find
Speaker 1: your microaggressions super offensive and I am going to be
Speaker 1: talking to hr immediately as you should have a kombucha
Speaker 1: settled down. I'm kidding, I'm kidding. Of course I'm kidding. Hayden.
Speaker 1: He's my boy, and he's one of the audio engineers
Speaker 1: I work with often. But I asked Hayden to be
Speaker 1: my news wingman for several reasons. Um, we actually have
Speaker 1: a lot in common, right Like for starters, Um, we
Speaker 1: grew up in the same hood. You're living in Bozeman
Speaker 1: now therefore longing for good pizza. But you're from p
Speaker 1: a man from Pennsylvania. You're an East Sider like me,
Speaker 1: and we stick together. We We also fished a lot
Speaker 1: of the same waters out here on the East Coast.
Speaker 1: Yeah man, you know everything from Great Lakes Steele's to
Speaker 1: the U Dare Yeah man, yeah man, those little small
Speaker 1: stream Brookies dude, and uh you know, yeah, I moved
Speaker 1: west whatever, but I just want to shout out they
Speaker 1: will always be great legs Steelhead to me. I don't
Speaker 1: care what anybody says. Migratory rainbow snobs don't at me. Yeah, don't. Also,
Speaker 1: yeah man, the pizza here sucks. I know, It's okay. Well,
Speaker 1: well we'll talk about that probably often, the pizza triangle.
Speaker 1: But we're also kind of kindred spirits and that we um.
Speaker 1: I think we both grew up splitting our time between
Speaker 1: fishing and music, right, Like you, you played in a
Speaker 1: bunch of bands, And when I was a kid, I
Speaker 1: always had to ask myself like, was it is this
Speaker 1: a fishing birthday or music birthday? You know what I mean? Right?
Speaker 1: It's like do I need a new fly real or
Speaker 1: that sweet sweet grunge pedal. That's how it always was.
Speaker 1: I know that deal. Well, my friend, you know, do
Speaker 1: I want to replace the three hackle capes my doggate
Speaker 1: last month? Or do I want that lame solid state
Speaker 1: crate amp that fifteen year old me didn't know was
Speaker 1: complete trash. I know that's It's like I got a
Speaker 1: Fender Squire in a pig nose rocking, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. So yeah, speaking of music, I'm gonna jump
Speaker 1: in for a second because a while back I shouted
Speaker 1: you out on Instagram. You helped coordinate the new Bent
Speaker 1: theme song. You orchestrated that with the band, and I
Speaker 1: gave you a shout out for helping and you were like, dude,
Speaker 1: everybody thinks I wrote the song and performed the song.
Speaker 1: Can you please shout out the correct people? And I failed?
Speaker 1: So this is your chance to tell all the Bent
Speaker 1: listeners who is really responsible for the Bent theme song? Sure?
Speaker 1: That was that was mostly coordinated by this dude, Logan
Speaker 1: Roth and my other buddy, Will Brown. And they have
Speaker 1: a production, you know, music production studio out of Philadelphia
Speaker 1: called Treacle Mind Recording. And then they're they're great musicians, dude.
Speaker 1: They put everything together. Man, Will is amazing, amazing, liked.
Speaker 1: We We've got so many compliments on that. But I
Speaker 1: hope you feel better now now that it's better late
Speaker 1: than next. They have been officially shouted out, um, but
Speaker 1: most portly right. While your primary gig is on the
Speaker 1: audio side of things here at Meat Eater, Um, you've
Speaker 1: also been doing a lot of great writing for our website, right, great,
Speaker 1: great stuff. So I'm confident you can hang. In fact,
Speaker 1: I know you can, um. And you even had Miles
Speaker 1: blessing for this spot before he left. Yeah. Man, as
Speaker 1: a Bent fan from day one, I remember listening to
Speaker 1: the first episode and knowing that this was something special
Speaker 1: and that's in yeah yeah, and that's no small part
Speaker 1: due to our mutual friend, the irreplicable Mr Miles Nulty. Uh.
Speaker 1: You know that dude has been such a big part
Speaker 1: of the whole Mediator fishing department for like kind of ever.
Speaker 1: And uh, I mean everything from das Boat you know,
Speaker 1: to this podcast to ship ton More has his fingerprints
Speaker 1: all over it. Uh. You know you and your listeners
Speaker 1: already know this, But Miles is one of the smartest, wittiest,
Speaker 1: fishiest dudes I've ever met, and I'm totally humble to
Speaker 1: take over his role on this small segment here. Man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know I'm not. I'm no Miles Nulty, but I
Speaker 1: hope you'll be happy with what I bring to the table.
Speaker 1: And to that end, I intend to. Here's the thing, though,
Speaker 1: I don't need you to be Miles. I don't want
Speaker 1: you to bet though though question right, did your deep
Speaker 1: voice help you score this gig? It did not hurt.
Speaker 1: I will just say that. So anyway, Yes, this is
Speaker 1: still a competition, so no pressure brow. But Hayden and
Speaker 1: I still don't know which news story the other guy
Speaker 1: is bringing to the table. Fill our engineer will still
Speaker 1: be declaring a news victor. But now that we're only
Speaker 1: bringing one story a piece of the table, it's like
Speaker 1: we got to really bring the heat, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. Like with with fewer stories, Phil is gonna
Speaker 1: have to maybe judge on style delivery. The whole works. Um,
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna give you the honor, my friend, of
Speaker 1: leading off your first news so hit me. The floor
Speaker 1: is yours. So Joe, being the upstanding citizen and conservationist
Speaker 1: you are, I'm sure you've done your fair share of
Speaker 1: river river cleanups. I have. I've done it. I've done
Speaker 1: a clean up a time or two. Yes, and sometimes
Speaker 1: you find some pretty crazy ship. I mean, I wouldn't
Speaker 1: say I found anything overly crazy during an actual clean up,
Speaker 1: but I mean I've found some some pretty crazy ship
Speaker 1: in rivers. But still, I see where you're going here. Okay,
Speaker 1: how about a pipe bomb? No, No, I haven't done.
Speaker 1: I've never I don't know if I would have recognized
Speaker 1: that if I did. But to my knowledge, I've yet
Speaker 1: to find a pipe bomb. So yeah, well today, and
Speaker 1: I hate myself for making this fun. We're starting off
Speaker 1: fish news with a bang. Okay, it's fine, I'll let
Speaker 1: it fly, all right, all right. As reported September eight
Speaker 1: by the Bozeman Daily Chronicle, Montana f w P search
Speaker 1: and Rescue divers recently found a pipe bomb at a
Speaker 1: Jefferson River fishing access shooty and sat hillbillies. Okay, all right,
Speaker 1: I see how that's. I gotta be honest, like you're
Speaker 1: you're from out here, so I know that's a big
Speaker 1: deal there. You We have rivers here where there's just
Speaker 1: signs that are like do not wait, bottom littered with
Speaker 1: pipe bombs. But I'm still listening, like you still he
Speaker 1: still he still got me, all right, yeah, man. Basically,
Speaker 1: search and Rescue was doing some sort of training when
Speaker 1: divers came across an object quote having the look of
Speaker 1: a pipe bomb with a fuse at the Williams Bridge
Speaker 1: fishing access. Okay, the fuse makes it. If it had
Speaker 1: a fuse, I would know what I was looking at.
Speaker 1: It's like comical a little bit, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: It's stereotypically think of as a pipe bomb, little pipe Anyhow,
Speaker 1: they closed down the access, called in some explosive ordinance
Speaker 1: technicians from the Maelstrom Air Force Base and blew the
Speaker 1: suspected explosive device up. Uh. The origins remain unknown, and
Speaker 1: it's assumed it was probably just you know, some amateur
Speaker 1: fish hating bomb enthusiasts. I guess because because Sheriff Dan
Speaker 1: Springer did not seem overly concerned. He's quoted as saying,
Speaker 1: and I love this quote. It could be an innocuous thing.
Speaker 1: Given the placement of where we found it. It does
Speaker 1: not appear to have any target value or anything. But
Speaker 1: if someone does have some information, that would be great
Speaker 1: to know. That would be great. Okay, I mean it's
Speaker 1: a little more wild West out there. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: a dangerous thing, right, But I don't know. Does that
Speaker 1: surprise you that he's like that, that lack of chill
Speaker 1: about it. Yeah, I feel like that's kind of a
Speaker 1: little bit of a lax approach to it. That's sort
Speaker 1: of like when you're at Walmart or something and if
Speaker 1: somebody with the red Nissan your car alarm is going off,
Speaker 1: like that would be great to know. Yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 1: love that, you know, just your everyday innocuous pipe bomb.
Speaker 1: I actually fished off the Jeff not too long ago
Speaker 1: with my buddy Corey from work, and we agreed it
Speaker 1: was one of the weirdest, most confusing days fishing we've
Speaker 1: ever had. I mean, the bugs were everywhere, everywhere, and
Speaker 1: we couldn't even get like a single riser. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, we all if theories about like what put
Speaker 1: the trout down right, barometric pressure, sunlight, whatever. I never
Speaker 1: would have thought maybe pipe bombs. I've never fished the Jeff,
Speaker 1: but it's like one of those bucket list rivers for me,
Speaker 1: and I will not claim to be any sort of
Speaker 1: expert on that river. I've heard of it more as
Speaker 1: a streamer river than a bug river, definitely, But what
Speaker 1: I've heard from everybody is like it giveth and take
Speaker 1: it away. It's one of those places where it's just
Speaker 1: lights out if you know how to time it, and
Speaker 1: then there's just nothing there. If you haven't timed it correctly.
Speaker 1: But I love those kind of places, and a lot
Speaker 1: of times we have rivers out here. You're familiar with
Speaker 1: the Lehigh, right, I'm a huge fan. It's the same thing.
Speaker 1: It's one of those places where if you know when
Speaker 1: to go and what you're doing, you're gonna see some
Speaker 1: ship go down. But similarly, I'm sure that the pipe
Speaker 1: bombs in the lower Lehigh through Allentown and Bethlehem, p A.
Speaker 1: Are innumerable, you know what I mean. You're probably probably
Speaker 1: snag five of them per trip with a heavy sink tip.
Speaker 1: You just don't know it, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I I got some family in Allentown. Let me tell
Speaker 1: you that it's definitely land of the pipe bomb. Yes, right,
Speaker 1: exactly exactly alright. So anyway, the pipe bomb was disposed of,
Speaker 1: everybody got out of there with all their fingers, and
Speaker 1: the fishing access was reopened. Of the incident, f w
Speaker 1: P Warden Captain Adam Pankratz said it made for a
Speaker 1: good reminder to use caution and carefully inspect items we
Speaker 1: would normally think of as litter before picking them up. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, whether or not you pick it up. I'm
Speaker 1: not sure you should get close enough to carefully inspect
Speaker 1: anything you think could be, you know, a bomb. But
Speaker 1: I get what he means. Yeah, you know, from this
Speaker 1: point on, during all my future river cleanups, I'll be
Speaker 1: keeping an eye out for use needles, broken glass, rusty
Speaker 1: barbed wire, and now apparently pipe bombs. Yeah what a world. Well,
Speaker 1: but you know what you you you bring up a
Speaker 1: valid point though about the river cleanups. Right, everybody jumps
Speaker 1: on a river clean up. I mean they are happening
Speaker 1: all the time, and it is just the kind of thing,
Speaker 1: maybe not from the center of the river, depending on
Speaker 1: the river. But you you pull that out of the
Speaker 1: mud somewhere, you have no idea what you're looking at.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's pretty scary. Joking about pipe bombs aside, So,
Speaker 1: I mean, I've never found anything particularly odd during a
Speaker 1: dedicated river clean up. Um, A lot a lot of
Speaker 1: children's bicycles and those those razor scooters. That's the thing
Speaker 1: around here. I find a lot of razor scooters for
Speaker 1: some reason here in the market for you use one
Speaker 1: of those. Um, but I did, I did pull it.
Speaker 1: I pulled a pistol out of the Delaware once years ago,
Speaker 1: fully loaded um off the bottom and I ended up
Speaker 1: taking it to the police, thinking, you know it's used
Speaker 1: in a crime or something. You do the right thing.
Speaker 1: And I certainly don't know the backstory. But um, buddy
Speaker 1: of mine, who just knows more about guns than I do,
Speaker 1: is like man, that's a really specific, very expensive pistol
Speaker 1: designed just for concealed carry. So it certainly could have
Speaker 1: been stolen and chucked. But he's like man, better odds
Speaker 1: with that one that you know, somebody was showing his
Speaker 1: buddy while they were out there striper fish in one
Speaker 1: spring at high water, and in the water it went um.
Speaker 1: I mean it had been in there for a long time.
Speaker 1: It was pretty trusted out. But I mean the pipe
Speaker 1: bomb thing is even scarier if you think about it.
Speaker 1: Now with the whole magnet fishing culture, which I also
Speaker 1: dabble in, right, we we don't. We don't touch on
Speaker 1: it too much in this show because even though it
Speaker 1: has fishing in the title magnet fishing, it's not fishing.
Speaker 1: Okay they're not. They're not angling for fish. Um. But yeah,
Speaker 1: that was a COVID hobby I got into for I
Speaker 1: found a bunch of AMMO and stuff doing that too
Speaker 1: one time. It was weird, But I think the bottom
Speaker 1: line here is definitely, um, you know, be careful what
Speaker 1: you pick up when you're when you're saving the local
Speaker 1: trout stream. Yeah, I mean I've never found anything like that.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, I did find a fossilized bison tooth kind
Speaker 1: of recently doing a river clean up. I found one
Speaker 1: of them my first time in Montana in high school.
Speaker 1: Just randomly found it on the Gallatin. Yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 1: found it on the East Gallaton. Anyhow, that said, I
Speaker 1: was doing a river clean up for work, uh, you
Speaker 1: know the other day, and I did find a packet
Speaker 1: of condoms and a bunch of glow sticks, which was
Speaker 1: spans of picture. Oh yeah, and see if there's two
Speaker 1: types of p pull out there, man, those that throw
Speaker 1: bangers on rivers and those that throw bangers in there.
Speaker 1: I guess you know glow sticks though, right, Like glow sticks?
Speaker 1: Is that? What is that what your kids are doing
Speaker 1: these days? Just like having like an impromptu river rave,
Speaker 1: crank up the screw licks and uh and go after it.
Speaker 1: Well there you go, so trying to think it had
Speaker 1: to transition to that. Um, I guess be careful what
Speaker 1: you're looking for and watch out for the glow sticks
Speaker 1: if you happen to be doing any any cleanups on
Speaker 1: any river systems or ponds up in Maine. How's that
Speaker 1: for a transition? You like that transitions matter in this game.
Speaker 1: By the way, you didn't have to come up with
Speaker 1: one today, but I did, and that's a poor one,
Speaker 1: which tips the hat in your favor with Phil. Yes,
Speaker 1: So people ask me all the time, what's still on
Speaker 1: your bucket list? It's a fairly it's fairly common question.
Speaker 1: And um, two of those things would be giant wild
Speaker 1: brook trout like up in Labrador, Quebec. That's something I've
Speaker 1: never gotten to do. I've never got up there. Um,
Speaker 1: an Arctic char now bull trout used to be on
Speaker 1: that list, and I've scratched that one, though not thoroughly,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like I've never been on
Speaker 1: a dedicated bully trip. It was incidental, which to me
Speaker 1: sort of counts but not really. Um, But I guess
Speaker 1: based on on on this list, it seems like I
Speaker 1: have a thing for chars, which maybe I do. Do
Speaker 1: you know what do you charge? Where are you on
Speaker 1: that you do much char fishing? Uh? You know? Char?
Speaker 1: I think are, for my money, probably the most beautiful
Speaker 1: salmonids that they're are, you know, I think they also
Speaker 1: live in some of the most beautiful places. So when
Speaker 1: COVID hit initially, I spent a ton of time, you know,
Speaker 1: just Blue Line and Brooke Trout up in northeastern p A.
Speaker 1: And then those little things just totally have my heart,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Sure, yeah, I dide, I
Speaker 1: I get that. I mean, I I It's been a
Speaker 1: while since I've done that. My problem is that, um
Speaker 1: like after a few I'm like, okay, like it's hard
Speaker 1: to hold my attention with it all day long. But
Speaker 1: I appreciate them so much, and there's a there's a
Speaker 1: lot of that in that part of the world that
Speaker 1: people don't know about. Don't give away your spots, but
Speaker 1: I know that's one thing you have wired, is that
Speaker 1: that Northeast p A y. So anyway, so I've also
Speaker 1: I've kind of like always roped Arctic char in with
Speaker 1: she fish, which was another bucket list catch, and I
Speaker 1: got that one. But for both those and the chars,
Speaker 1: most people assume you have to check pretty damn far
Speaker 1: north to get after them. Um And that's true if
Speaker 1: you sort of want the real deal migratory giant char experience,
Speaker 1: which I do. But if you're one of those folks
Speaker 1: that just wants to check the list, just wants to
Speaker 1: say I got one, you could technically check arctic char
Speaker 1: off in Maine, which I don't think many people realize.
Speaker 1: Do you know that? Okay, So, Maine is the only
Speaker 1: state in the contiguous Lower forty eight that has a
Speaker 1: native population of arctic char. Furthermore, according to the story
Speaker 1: I'm pulling from in the Banger Daily News, these are
Speaker 1: the rarest salmonids east of the Rocky Mountains. Now, historically
Speaker 1: they were referred to as blueback trout, which i'd heard
Speaker 1: of that I've heard that term. But according to this
Speaker 1: piece by Bob Mallard, while I guess the locals still
Speaker 1: call him that, he seems to suggest that's gonna get
Speaker 1: phased out and they're just gonna start calling them arctic
Speaker 1: char because that's what they are. So the average char
Speaker 1: in Maine, um it's it's gonna measure a foot or
Speaker 1: less and the state record is only So these are
Speaker 1: not the giants you see uber rich people mean mumming
Speaker 1: with in Greenland. These are like the everyman's accessible char
Speaker 1: you know. Um Anyway, so these these main char there
Speaker 1: the southernmost native population in the world, and you'd think
Speaker 1: that would mean that they'd be treated with care. But
Speaker 1: this story, uh, sadly is really focused on how little
Speaker 1: Maine is doing to protect these fish. UM. Now, Mallard
Speaker 1: great writer, he takes a deep dive into the specifics,
Speaker 1: but I'm just gonna run through the cliff notes version
Speaker 1: here just that sort of hit some bullet points. So
Speaker 1: we all understand. There used to be nineteen bodies of
Speaker 1: what are in the state that supported these char There
Speaker 1: are now twelve, um, all of which are ponds, many
Speaker 1: interconnected by running water. Eleven of those waters still have
Speaker 1: a daily harvest limit between one and five fish, and
Speaker 1: then Mallard rights length limits are often inadequate, as one
Speaker 1: water has an eighteen inch limit, ten have slot limits
Speaker 1: of ten to twelve inches, with one fish over slot allowed,
Speaker 1: and six waters have a six inch limit, the lowest
Speaker 1: length limit allowed for salmonids under main law. And that
Speaker 1: one struck me right, I'm curious, see what you think
Speaker 1: because you're you're a Brookie guy. Because in my opinion
Speaker 1: or the way I see it, unless you're in a
Speaker 1: survival situation or you're camping and the only way you're
Speaker 1: eating tonight is to take what you can get. Who's
Speaker 1: keeping a six inch t? Like, no matter how you
Speaker 1: cook that fish, the little brookies or whatever, isn't that
Speaker 1: shriveling up to nothing? And I'm not judging? Like is
Speaker 1: that a thing? Like? Do you do you like catch
Speaker 1: those little guys and eat them. I've heard people say
Speaker 1: it's the best trout your lever eat is a tiny
Speaker 1: little brookie? Is that true? I've never had one, you know.
Speaker 1: I I wouldn't mess with a six inch brookie. I'd say,
Speaker 1: my my, I'd take I'd take a seven and a half, though,
Speaker 1: in a heart I would betman. Man, my favorite meal ever, dude,
Speaker 1: is like, you know, picking some morrel's on a stream bank,
Speaker 1: catching a couple of brookie and working that up man,
Speaker 1: bonus points if you can find some ramps. You know,
Speaker 1: that's like a northeast kind of thing. Uh, you know,
Speaker 1: I I could see it, maybe not six inches, but
Speaker 1: particularly if you're slot limit's like what one? Right? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, what are you gonna do with that?
Speaker 1: What are you doing? That's like a fish stick. But
Speaker 1: all those things you just mentioned, though Morrel's followed by trout,
Speaker 1: followed by ramps. Good for you. I'm happy to find
Speaker 1: time to do one of those, and then I have
Speaker 1: to go home and do something with my kids. So
Speaker 1: if you can hit all those in one shot, God
Speaker 1: bless stay gold Cony boy. Anyway, Mallard adds at least
Speaker 1: ten Arctic char waters allow the use of bait, which
Speaker 1: by most estimates, almost with a thirty to thirty five
Speaker 1: percent incidental mortality rate. He says there have also been
Speaker 1: instances where the state accidentally stocked invasive, non native landlocked
Speaker 1: salmon over native Arctic char. Other ponds have been infested
Speaker 1: with non native smell, which the state stocks to feed
Speaker 1: the non native salmon, right, I mean, come on, so
Speaker 1: it main also stocks non native lake trout, and according
Speaker 1: to Mallard's research, there have been reports over the years
Speaker 1: of anglers catching char and waters the state claims doesn't
Speaker 1: have them, and when one's caught, they'll say, wow, that's
Speaker 1: just a random one that went over the damn from
Speaker 1: this pond that does have them. So here's the thing.
Speaker 1: I grabbed the story because, frankly, if you break this
Speaker 1: all down it. To me, it speaks to the hypocrisy
Speaker 1: that you see in fishing all the time. And the
Speaker 1: bottom line is that money drives everything, including what swims
Speaker 1: where you live. Right, So to relate it to snakeheads,
Speaker 1: because it's just easy. Alone snake pops up in New Yorker, Massachusetts,
Speaker 1: everyone flips ship right there, suddenly worried about their bass
Speaker 1: and crop eas, which aren't native either. Rest assured some
Speaker 1: native darter or sucker or whatever took a hit or
Speaker 1: went away at some point in history because bass or
Speaker 1: walleyes or whatever, we're stocked there. Yet here is a
Speaker 1: known remaining population of rare native fish, and nobody's freaking
Speaker 1: out about it. Why is that? What? Do I truly
Speaker 1: believe lake trout and landlocked salmon, cell tackle and licenses
Speaker 1: mains char do not. It's as simple as that. Um.
Speaker 1: In fact, not long ago, I covered another story from
Speaker 1: Bob Mallard and he said, you know, Main's governor is
Speaker 1: putting millions into state hatcheries. Why not put millions into
Speaker 1: your native chars, study them, protect them, because that doesn't
Speaker 1: make anyone any money. You know, if snakehead anglers suddenly
Speaker 1: bought more tackle than bass anglers the snakehead tour suddenly
Speaker 1: got bigger than the bass tour, they'd be okay, um,
Speaker 1: So it all it all comes back to money, man,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Yeah, And then there are
Speaker 1: so many fisheries where angler interest is both a a
Speaker 1: gift and a curse, and I think that, uh, a
Speaker 1: lot of times they see the cash opportunity and they
Speaker 1: end up sort of mismanaging a fishery sure because they
Speaker 1: think that, well, if we're getting all this money into fishing,
Speaker 1: then then it must be a good But the reality
Speaker 1: is a lot of times a misallocation of that money
Speaker 1: towards maybe a more attractive recreational opportunity really just kind
Speaker 1: of the native fish. Well, what what gets me about
Speaker 1: this story, right, is that you know, you see similar
Speaker 1: things with a lot of the smaller cutthroat species and
Speaker 1: the desert and things like that, but if you look
Speaker 1: at where they are, it's not a high population density area.
Speaker 1: So it's almost easier to look the other way because
Speaker 1: it's like you're saving a trout that nobody can touch,
Speaker 1: or very few people are going to get to where
Speaker 1: they are to do that. Then you have this here
Speaker 1: in Maine. It's like this is really accessible ship, Like
Speaker 1: there's a lot of people that fish there, which would
Speaker 1: seem like it would be more impetus to pay atten
Speaker 1: into this than even some of the lesser species out there.
Speaker 1: It's just like how you said many they're dropping a
Speaker 1: bunch of stockers basically in there, and dropping a bunch
Speaker 1: of feed for the stockers in there, and it's like,
Speaker 1: all right, well you got a new recreational fish or
Speaker 1: you're you're continuing an artificial recreational fishery, but like at
Speaker 1: what cost to like the natural integrity of what's supposed
Speaker 1: to be there. Well, and that's and that's the problem
Speaker 1: all over is And that's also a question you and
Speaker 1: I are not going to answer right now. Um, maybe
Speaker 1: Phili surprise us and he'll answer it. Instead of declaring
Speaker 1: a victor today, he will have all the answers to that. Um,
Speaker 1: it's got to say, did you did a great job today?
Speaker 1: I think this is gonna be fun. I want everybody
Speaker 1: to find Hayden on the Instagram and give him a
Speaker 1: shout out. This was a big deal and this was
Speaker 1: this was very fun to do. You were going to
Speaker 1: hear from him week over week here in news um, so,
Speaker 1: now now you get to be judged by Phil. It's Phil.
Speaker 1: Phil technically your boss. He's not your boss, is he? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I have a feeling I'm not learning this and Joe,
Speaker 1: we will see how you fare and then guess what
Speaker 1: how about this ship? As soon as we're done hearing
Speaker 1: from Phil, Phil is going to do a freaking finn clips.
Speaker 1: Phil is going to teach you something about a species
Speaker 1: you did not know. I cannot wait, partially because I'm
Speaker 1: just trying to be nice to the new guy, but
Speaker 1: also because it's hard to beat a bomb at a
Speaker 1: fishing access site on the Jefferson Hayden. You're the winner.
Speaker 1: M I wonder who could have left the bomb there?
Speaker 1: Do we know if anyone who enjoys fishing like a
Speaker 1: known fishing personality who disappeared from somewhere that they've been seen,
Speaker 1: often without much notice, and fled to a foreign country. No,
Speaker 1: you don't think. According to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration,
Speaker 1: over eighty percent of the Earth's oceans are unexplored and unmapped.
Speaker 1: Now I don't know about you, but I find that
Speaker 1: both incredibly thrilling and terrifying. It's one thing to look
Speaker 1: up past the Milky Way into the vast infinity of
Speaker 1: space during the first semester at your state university and
Speaker 1: wonder where did we all come from? Man, we'll never
Speaker 1: know what's out there. But the next time you're on
Speaker 1: a transoceanic flight, you can look down out of the
Speaker 1: window into the sea and think practically the same thing.
Speaker 1: The first written records of the massive cephalopod we've come
Speaker 1: to call the giant squid go back as far as
Speaker 1: Aristotle and Pliny the Elder. They described the calamari with
Speaker 1: a head as big as a cask. Throughout the nineteenth century,
Speaker 1: strandings as they referred to where the carcass of a
Speaker 1: giant squid would wash ashore started to become more common.
Speaker 1: We would come to realize that there is so much
Speaker 1: more beneath the surface than we could ever know. The
Speaker 1: first photographs of the giant squid and its natural habitat
Speaker 1: didn't exist until two thousand four. Yeah, fewer than twenty
Speaker 1: years ago, and there was no video record until two
Speaker 1: thousand six. We think they can grow up to thirteen
Speaker 1: meters long, but we're not sure. We think the average
Speaker 1: lifespan is about five years, but that's just a guess.
Speaker 1: We think they generally dwell between three hundred and a
Speaker 1: thousand meters below the ocean, but only because we study
Speaker 1: the feeding patterns of their predators. Regular listeners of this
Speaker 1: here show will be familiar with a segment titled Freaking Philistines.
Speaker 1: The intro audio from that segment is pulled from a
Speaker 1: two thousand five movie directed by Noah Bomboch titled The
Speaker 1: Squid in the Whale, the title referring to the diorama
Speaker 1: at the Museum of Natural History in New York that
Speaker 1: depicts a sperm whale locked in deadly battle with a
Speaker 1: giant squid. The scene terrified one of the characters in
Speaker 1: the movie when he was a child, so he projects
Speaker 1: all the anxiety and anger he carries for his dad
Speaker 1: onto the squid in the whale and blah blah, blah blah,
Speaker 1: it's a bunch of pretentious indie movie bullshit. What do
Speaker 1: you think this is an episode of Freaking Philistines. That
Speaker 1: being said, it's on Netflix and you should check it out.
Speaker 1: I'm sure you've heard that old horror movie one oh
Speaker 1: one trick. The monster is scarier. If you don't see it,
Speaker 1: it can be whatever you want it to be. Thirteen
Speaker 1: meter long tentacled beasts living five below the sea that
Speaker 1: we had almost no photographic evidence of until two thousand
Speaker 1: four fits this bill pretty well, don't you think so
Speaker 1: much so that if you saw something like this one
Speaker 1: thousand years ago, you might be inclined to make of
Speaker 1: it whatever you wanted to. Several years ago, at a
Speaker 1: family reunion that I would have jumped into moving traffic
Speaker 1: to get out of attending, I saw a man standing
Speaker 1: by the beer coolers whom I had not met before.
Speaker 1: His long black hair was sticking to his forehead, and
Speaker 1: his beard was almost more gray than black. His eyes
Speaker 1: looked somewhat glazed over, but he looked friendly looking back.
Speaker 1: It might have been his fourth I p a giving
Speaker 1: him that welcoming look, but I was keeping up with
Speaker 1: his pace, and I approached Phil Taylor. He said, oh hey,
Speaker 1: I replied, very much, taken aback, I'm sorry? What was
Speaker 1: your name again? It's fine, kid, he said, we haven't met,
Speaker 1: so don't worry. You don't have to pretend to know me.
Speaker 1: I like this guy already. How do you know who
Speaker 1: I am? Well, it says Phil tya on your name tag,
Speaker 1: and there are a whole lot of tailors here. Just
Speaker 1: kind of put two and two together, I laughed, getting
Speaker 1: uncomfortable again. What do you do You ever been to
Speaker 1: Storm's End, he said, finally looking up. I stuttered, can't
Speaker 1: say I have, And to be honest, I had no
Speaker 1: idea where Storm's End was. Main somewhere in Canada, he continued.
Speaker 1: We had seven ships all crewed up. The terry On
Speaker 1: had sent us there to raid and mop up. It
Speaker 1: was left on the docks from a recent shipment the
Speaker 1: Barathians had brought in from Mere Simple done at a
Speaker 1: thousand times before. Half their fleet was up north doing
Speaker 1: god knows what past kings landing, and it was ours
Speaker 1: for the taking. We took three days out and we're
Speaker 1: heading round south. I was the only man on that
Speaker 1: ship not drunk that night, and if you can believe it,
Speaker 1: I felt like it had been dark for days. The
Speaker 1: sun had to be coming soon. That's when we heard it,
Speaker 1: a roar from beneath the waves, so deep and loud
Speaker 1: it rattled the nails in the frame of the ship.
Speaker 1: Then drinking songs went silent. The men in their salt
Speaker 1: wives all came above deck. After a minute of silence,
Speaker 1: the fear in our faces began to fade, and spar
Speaker 1: pushed out the loudest far any of us had ever heard.
Speaker 1: So that's what that sound was, Far wind yelled, everyone laughed.
Speaker 1: They all laughed. The next thing I saw was spars
Speaker 1: body being thrown so hard against the deck it's split
Speaker 1: into It was chaos. The ship rocks so fiercely I
Speaker 1: was nearly thrown overboard until I grabbed a rope so
Speaker 1: that my skin was torn from my palms. I pulled
Speaker 1: myself back onto the deck and looked over into the sea.
Speaker 1: Its arms burst out of the water from every direction,
Speaker 1: like sides through wheat, and cut through the ship just
Speaker 1: the same. Those who saw as I did cease their laughing,
Speaker 1: but had no time to scream, for the arms had
Speaker 1: already pulled them under. I thought about running below deck,
Speaker 1: but knew it was likely underwater already. Instead, I ran
Speaker 1: to the bow, jumping over body parts and splintered wood,
Speaker 1: as the tentacles are making quick work of the middle
Speaker 1: of the ship, rising fifty into the air and crashing
Speaker 1: into the deck, smashing everything that came between. It was
Speaker 1: then that two more arms emerged from the water, twice
Speaker 1: as long as any before, from both sides of what
Speaker 1: end of the ship. They did not fall, but slowly
Speaker 1: embraced the old boat and squeezed, squeezed until the boat
Speaker 1: split into and I was thrown from the bow as
Speaker 1: if it were a tribute. The wind was knocked out
Speaker 1: of me. As I landed in the water, I flailed
Speaker 1: until I saw what remained if a mass twenty behind me,
Speaker 1: and I swam to it, held on and passed out.
Speaker 1: When I awoke, the sun was up. I screamed before
Speaker 1: I was even awake, as if the monster were still attacking.
Speaker 1: There was no echo and no response. I floated on
Speaker 1: that mass for the remains of the day. When a
Speaker 1: merchant ship passed just before sundown. The crew pulled me aboard,
Speaker 1: and that's when I noticed my right foot was so
Speaker 1: purple and mangled I would not walk with it again.
Speaker 1: They brought me to Old Town, where the masters were
Speaker 1: able to remove it, sparing my leg. In my life.
Speaker 1: And now I need another beer. The bearded man leaned
Speaker 1: down to the cooler, pulled out another can, and turned
Speaker 1: to face the sound, now turning bright orange with the
Speaker 1: setting of the sun. As soon as I came to
Speaker 1: my senses. I two turned and looked at the rest
Speaker 1: of my extended family. What the am I the only
Speaker 1: one who heard this ship? My brain was scrambling to
Speaker 1: think of a follow up question when I realized I
Speaker 1: never asked the man his name. When I turned back
Speaker 1: to do so, he was gone. We will the unknown
Speaker 1: into being, and if it spreads far enough, it becomes iconic,
Speaker 1: a canvas for anyone and everyone to paint with their
Speaker 1: own conceptions of reality, their hopes, their fears. Before the
Speaker 1: bearded man reached down for his last beer, he told
Speaker 1: me a lion maybe fierce enough on land, but at
Speaker 1: sea the Kraken rules supreme. Or maybe I just read
Speaker 1: that in a book somewhere. Wow. Yeah, So I'm I'm
Speaker 1: not sure what I really learned about the new species there,
Speaker 1: but I'm suddenly now in the mood to watch either
Speaker 1: cabin Boy or Highlander. I just can't decide that was
Speaker 1: a very fill tailor finclips if I ever heard one
Speaker 1: well done, but there was, I'm gonna guess because I
Speaker 1: didn't watch there's some Game of Thrones references in there,
Speaker 1: right right? Oh yeah, um, yeah, yeah, you you're calling
Speaker 1: it a very finn tailor, Finnlips. I think I think
Speaker 1: you mean that more is a compliment than an insult.
Speaker 1: I'd say it's probably like a sixty forty split there.
Speaker 1: I'll take the compliment though. Thanks you. You also just
Speaker 1: called yourself Finn Taylor, which do not cut that out,
Speaker 1: because that's just what I'm going to refer to you
Speaker 1: as now from now on. Anyway, So why I think
Speaker 1: nobody is allowed to fish it storms in until they
Speaker 1: lift their COVID restrictions. I do think we can go
Speaker 1: to Mexico pretty sure. We've already been there once in
Speaker 1: this show today, so why not end there too. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna close it out with an end of the line
Speaker 1: with a lesson about bass lors. I picked up just
Speaker 1: a hairy east of Mositlan and have carried with me
Speaker 1: to Larry Ponds across the US. Well, that's not loud enough.
Speaker 1: This is going to be a roundabout way of getting
Speaker 1: to a very simple end of the line suggestion. But
Speaker 1: this story has always reson aided with me. I never
Speaker 1: forgot it, and it perfectly sums up my thoughts on
Speaker 1: many things in fishing. It also happened on the same
Speaker 1: aforementioned trip where I ended up kind of held at
Speaker 1: gunpoint in the Mexican airport. Back in two thousand nine,
Speaker 1: I got invited to fish the famed Lake El Salto
Speaker 1: in the Mexican state of Sinaloa. Now I've mentioned that
Speaker 1: I'm not much of a large mouth guy, but a
Speaker 1: chance to fish El Salto, which at the time had
Speaker 1: a reputation as one of the world's leading giant fish factories,
Speaker 1: wasn't something I was going to pass up. This is
Speaker 1: where you went looking to score a double digit bass
Speaker 1: without working too hard, and I was a guest of
Speaker 1: Pure Fishing. Now Pure Fishing owned Abu, Garcia, and Berkeley,
Speaker 1: just to name a few brands under their umbrella, but
Speaker 1: they had just recently acquired Sabelle Patrick Sabille, who started
Speaker 1: his namesake Lure Company, was a lure making revolutionary. He
Speaker 1: created several truly genius baits like the Magic Swimmer, the
Speaker 1: Stick Shad, and the Vibrato. But Sabiel was also one
Speaker 1: of those types that insisted every classic lure you knew
Speaker 1: in love could be improved upon. He kind of fixed
Speaker 1: some things that weren't really broken, many of which didn't
Speaker 1: hang around nearly as long as the Magic swimmer, stick,
Speaker 1: shad and vibrato. Sabelle himself was not on this trip
Speaker 1: to Mexico, but all the hardbeats supplied for us to
Speaker 1: use on this trip happened to be Sabielle lures. At
Speaker 1: the time, a very good friend of mine was working
Speaker 1: for Pure Fishing, an older, wiser fella and a real
Speaker 1: Southern gentleman. Sabiel lures were so new to the company
Speaker 1: that my old buddy hadn't fished with many, or perhaps
Speaker 1: any at all, before coming on this trip to Al Salto.
Speaker 1: On our second day, we ended up on a boat
Speaker 1: together and our guide took us to a flooded stump field.
Speaker 1: Most of the guides there speak little English, but they
Speaker 1: can get the necessities across spinner baits. Signor was all
Speaker 1: he had to say. So he dug into our courtesy
Speaker 1: bags phill of Sabia lures and found Sabielle pro chads
Speaker 1: bitter baits. I mean, they looked like spinner baits, but
Speaker 1: the devil was in the details. Instead of a normal blade,
Speaker 1: they had some funky, odd fish shaped blade. It actually
Speaker 1: looked like the side profile of a crank bait on
Speaker 1: the same post as the blade. There was this little
Speaker 1: tassel made from rubber legs. The arm was also chocked
Speaker 1: full of weird angles, and the hook was deeply scooped
Speaker 1: and curved, more like a circle hook. But it's all
Speaker 1: we had. And hey, I'm here with the guy that
Speaker 1: works for Sabiel, so all good. I noticed right away
Speaker 1: that the blades weren't turning consistently, and my buddy, he
Speaker 1: was noticing this too. He was also noticing how that
Speaker 1: little tassel sometimes got in the way of the blade.
Speaker 1: We were both noticing that the Lord had a tendency
Speaker 1: to come in on its side now and again. Now
Speaker 1: I just sort of slow rolled with the punches and
Speaker 1: kept my mouth shut, but I could tell by his
Speaker 1: silence my man was getting frustrated. Then he gets bit
Speaker 1: and the fish doesn't connect. Silence, He gets thumped again,
Speaker 1: no connection, silence. After about the fifth time, this man,
Speaker 1: who had never once heard raise his voice, take the
Speaker 1: Lord's name in vain or drop an F bomb, screamed,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, what I wouldn't give for a three
Speaker 1: dollar war eagle spinner bait right now? That night, after dinner,
Speaker 1: he pulled me aside, kind of in the shadows, away
Speaker 1: from the rest of the other writers and guests and
Speaker 1: people from his company and their sabill hats and shirts,
Speaker 1: and like a drug deal going down, he looked around
Speaker 1: and slipped one Plaine White and one sharp Truce War
Speaker 1: Eagle spinner bait in my hand. All he said was
Speaker 1: make sure they don't end up in any photos. Okay,
Speaker 1: now I'm about some Sabee Magic swimmer swim baits. In fact,
Speaker 1: they're so cool I might do an end of the
Speaker 1: line just on them. They've produced stripers and mahi and
Speaker 1: small mouths when nothing else got touched. But I was
Speaker 1: then and am now a believer that cheap, generic plane
Speaker 1: Jane spinner bates have stood the test of time for
Speaker 1: a reason. It's never been broke, so we don't need
Speaker 1: to fix it. And I still gravitate to the ones
Speaker 1: hanging on the pegs naked without the clamshell packaging in
Speaker 1: Walmart and bass Pro. And no, I do not need
Speaker 1: tungsten blades. So that's it for this week. Remember, nobody
Speaker 1: in Mexico will ever steer your fly fishing gear because
Speaker 1: they don't believe it's effective for catching fish. Canadian people
Speaker 1: need to figure out that I is a vow and
Speaker 1: it does, in fact make a sound. You're gonna lose
Speaker 1: all your spinner baits anyway, So by the cheap ones.
Speaker 1: And if anyone has a spot to fill on that
Speaker 1: crack and charter you book with your drunk uncles. Phil's
Speaker 1: got two hundred bucks and a vintage e glue cooler
Speaker 1: and he is ready to go. Yeah, And also send
Speaker 1: your voice memos for nibbles and SIPs in Yeah, they're
Speaker 1: gonna be fun to edit. Um. Also keep those sabbing items,
Speaker 1: bar nominations, awkward photos, news clips, and whatever the hell
Speaker 1: else you want us to consider for use on this show.
Speaker 1: Coming to Bent at the meat Eater dot com. And
Speaker 1: if you post any foods on a stick, tag them
Speaker 1: Degenerate Angler or Bent Podcast Joe who told me to
Speaker 1: say that, yes, because we love foods on a stick.
Speaker 1: I also love and appreciate Mr Phil Taylor for being
Speaker 1: my first guest co host. Should I have him do
Speaker 1: it again, let me know big thanks again to Hayden
Speaker 1: Samak for jumping aboard the news train. He'll be back
Speaker 1: next week and until then, remember keep your freedom loops
Speaker 1: tight and your wallet in your front pocket.