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Speaker 1: taxes that are only payable in cash on camera equipment

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Speaker 1: that I'm bringing in to create media that promotes tourism,

419
00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:25,320
Speaker 1: you know, to your country. So whatever, and the arm

420
00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:27,440
Speaker 1: the arm guards were not necessary. And the best part

421
00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:30,040
Speaker 1: was this was a trip with pure fishing, big big

422
00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:32,920
Speaker 1: Fishing brand. And as the guards are escorting me to

423
00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:35,479
Speaker 1: the back of my bud who put the trip together, screaming,

424
00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:38,760
Speaker 1: get me a receipt, I'll pay for this, I'm like, dude,

425
00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:41,560
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna this is gonna give me a receipt

426
00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:43,880
Speaker 1: for the sixty dollars I just shelled out to buy

427
00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:46,760
Speaker 1: everybody here lunch. Like, there's no real taxes, this is

428
00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:48,280
Speaker 1: all fake. But you say I've never been in Mexico,

429
00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:49,960
Speaker 1: so you've never had to deal with any of that. Yeah,

430
00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:51,760
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, I mean, you're you guys, You

431
00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:54,000
Speaker 1: and the other fill are really selling me on Mexico.

432
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Speaker 1: I gotta I gotta say so. Well, I enjoyed having

433
00:21:57,760 --> 00:21:59,639
Speaker 1: phill on very much. And here's the deal, right, so,

434
00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:02,520
Speaker 1: uh some of the runner up stories were so good.

435
00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:04,600
Speaker 1: Don't be shocked if I hit up a few more

436
00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:06,560
Speaker 1: of you to lay them down. And if I do,

437
00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:08,919
Speaker 1: you will also get the same meat Eator fishing swag

438
00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:12,120
Speaker 1: pack um that Phil got. Honestly, I would really love

439
00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:14,280
Speaker 1: to hear all of your voices heard on Bent more often.

440
00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:18,600
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna resurrect an idea for a new segment.

441
00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:20,800
Speaker 1: We had this idea a while ago. It just never

442
00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:23,919
Speaker 1: came to fruition. Oh is this the segment where you

443
00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:27,040
Speaker 1: guys play rapple with Fishing on Nintendo? We over your

444
00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:31,560
Speaker 1: techno music. No it's not. No, it's not that one.

445
00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:35,080
Speaker 1: But man, see, I forgot your privy to all our shenanigans,

446
00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:38,040
Speaker 1: like you know the inner workings as well as I do. Uh. No,

447
00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:40,200
Speaker 1: we kicked around a segment we were gonna call Nibbles

448
00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:42,159
Speaker 1: and SIPs, and I've revamped it slightly, and here's how

449
00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:43,960
Speaker 1: it's gonna go. Uh. If you want to be heard

450
00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:47,639
Speaker 1: on Bent right, email a voice memo to Bent at

451
00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:49,720
Speaker 1: the meat Eator dot com. That's preferred, but I'll take

452
00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:52,280
Speaker 1: voice memos via d M two and you could say

453
00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:54,720
Speaker 1: whatever you want. Ask a question, tell me I suck,

454
00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:57,600
Speaker 1: tell me I don't suck. Give your opinion about a

455
00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:01,200
Speaker 1: recent show segment. Um, give me your rambling, possibly drunk

456
00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:04,280
Speaker 1: version of your own. That's my bar, or tackle hack

457
00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:06,960
Speaker 1: or end of the line, surprise me. And if your

458
00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:09,760
Speaker 1: sweet sultry voice ends up on Nibbles and SIPs, I'll

459
00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:12,440
Speaker 1: swag you out and phil am I asking for it here?

460
00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:14,480
Speaker 1: Like is this a bad idea? Should I not? Is

461
00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:17,199
Speaker 1: this okay? What do you think we could workshop the

462
00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:19,040
Speaker 1: name a little bit? I think I think it's a

463
00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:22,480
Speaker 1: video called Nibbles and SIPs at my friend's house in

464
00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:25,520
Speaker 1: high school that I won't go into details here about

465
00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:29,080
Speaker 1: that's it. But no, I'm not going to revamp the name.

466
00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:32,000
Speaker 1: But it's funny. That's where you heard Nibbles and SIPs.

467
00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:34,600
Speaker 1: I heard it from one of my six year old daughters.

468
00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:38,760
Speaker 1: Like weird anime like cut C shows nibbles and SIPs

469
00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:41,240
Speaker 1: was like tea time, and I was like, nibbles and SIPs,

470
00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:44,440
Speaker 1: that's very fishy. I'm gonna use it. Yeah, that's great. Yeah,

471
00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:46,040
Speaker 1: so I'm not I'm not changing it because I like

472
00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:48,880
Speaker 1: it both ways. Whatever you're talking about, text me later

473
00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:50,760
Speaker 1: because with a link, because I want to see it.

474
00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:52,720
Speaker 1: But I don't know. I don't know all think about

475
00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:54,800
Speaker 1: that though, but I'm pretty stuck on nibbles and SIPs.

476
00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:57,679
Speaker 1: And it was actually listener Anthony Marshaun who gave me

477
00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:00,000
Speaker 1: this idea not long ago. I I did a new

478
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:02,800
Speaker 1: his piece about the giant sturgeon caught by retired hockey

479
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:04,879
Speaker 1: goalie Pete Peters. Do you remember this because I believe

480
00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:06,960
Speaker 1: I lost news that week. Does that ring a bell?

481
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:10,280
Speaker 1: It does ring a bell. The story rings a bell.

482
00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:12,879
Speaker 1: I don't remember which winner I declared, but it sounds

483
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:15,080
Speaker 1: like it sounds like you do remember, and it's really

484
00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:17,800
Speaker 1: it's really, it's really sticking in your cross. I do.

485
00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:20,399
Speaker 1: I do because I said that Peters once won the

486
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:24,240
Speaker 1: Vezina Trophy and man did I hear it from like

487
00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:28,040
Speaker 1: six people, most of which were Canadians probably rocking hockey here.

488
00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:31,800
Speaker 1: But Anthony sent me this voice memo. It's not called

489
00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:34,800
Speaker 1: the Visma, Joe, It's called the Vesna. Get it right.

490
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:38,840
Speaker 1: First of all, I didn't say vezma or vesna, which

491
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Speaker 1: is apparently correct. I said Vezina because it is spelled vezina.

492
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Speaker 1: V easy. I n A like, dude, would you have

493
00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:49,919
Speaker 1: guessed that the eye was silent? Absolutely not. No, I'm

494
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:52,520
Speaker 1: I'm on team Joe. Here on And that's how That's

495
00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:56,080
Speaker 1: how language works, that's how words work, so exactly. And

496
00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:58,359
Speaker 1: you know what, but this is a fishing podcast, not

497
00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:00,520
Speaker 1: the penalty box or whatever you can ee eaters and

498
00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:03,159
Speaker 1: knucklepuckers listen to. I will take my lips when I

499
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:05,640
Speaker 1: mess up fish it. But hockey stuff I do not care.

500
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:08,840
Speaker 1: But technically that was our first nibbles and SIPs segment.

501
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:11,800
Speaker 1: So Anthony is gonna get swagged out simply for giving

502
00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:13,879
Speaker 1: me a hard time with a voice TM. See how

503
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:16,359
Speaker 1: easy that was. Um, but we are. We are going

504
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:18,040
Speaker 1: to have to come up with a good jingle though

505
00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:20,400
Speaker 1: for next time. Oh yeah, I can't wait. I love

506
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:22,760
Speaker 1: throwing those together. I have I have some ideas that

507
00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:28,240
Speaker 1: might come from Reno one fan. I never watched one,

508
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:30,440
Speaker 1: but I know that the whole crew was or most

509
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:33,520
Speaker 1: of them were a part of the state, which I did,

510
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 1: and I've tried. I've tried to pull some state stuff

511
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:40,760
Speaker 1: for this show. There's very little of it on the

512
00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:43,159
Speaker 1: YouTube's though, Like it's like buried in the in like

513
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:45,240
Speaker 1: in the annals of history. There's just not a lot

514
00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:48,159
Speaker 1: of state clips out there. Um. Anyway, in the meantime,

515
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:51,120
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to come up with current events sure

516
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:54,080
Speaker 1: to crush the new opponent stepping into the octagon that

517
00:25:54,280 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 1: is fish News. Fish News escalated quickly, So kids News,

518
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 1: how's that gonna work now? Well, for starters, we're gonna

519
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:11,360
Speaker 1: run two stories instead of four, mostly because Phil has

520
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 1: told me our news gets quote long in the tooth

521
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:18,040
Speaker 1: sometimes and he's really tired of having to pay attention

522
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 1: for that long. But also I realized, to preserve the

523
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:24,879
Speaker 1: sanctity of fish News, I need a dependable weekly co

524
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:29,639
Speaker 1: anchor just for this segment. So join me and welcoming

525
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:33,360
Speaker 1: my colleague Hayden Samic to this dog fight. How are you, man?

526
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 1: How are you feeling? Hey, dude, I'm feeling good. Man.

527
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:42,320
Speaker 1: You sound like you're feeling good. I am man. I'm

528
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 1: soaked to be doing this, you know, I love I

529
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:47,600
Speaker 1: love the Bend podcast. Man, I think we're gonna have

530
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:50,600
Speaker 1: a good time. Man. Thanks, we are, we are, We

531
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:54,639
Speaker 1: absolutely are. But for the listeners wondering why Hayden, basically

532
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:56,480
Speaker 1: I just call it h Q and was like, hey,

533
00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:58,800
Speaker 1: do you guys have any of those millennials kicking around, like,

534
00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:01,160
Speaker 1: you know the kind you can just keep keeping work

535
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,639
Speaker 1: on two and they're too afraid to say no, And

536
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:08,120
Speaker 1: they're just like, yeah, absolutely, take Hayden. So I find

537
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 1: your microaggressions super offensive and I am going to be

538
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:15,200
Speaker 1: talking to hr immediately as you should have a kombucha

539
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 1: settled down. I'm kidding, I'm kidding. Of course I'm kidding. Hayden.

540
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:20,679
Speaker 1: He's my boy, and he's one of the audio engineers

541
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 1: I work with often. But I asked Hayden to be

542
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:26,199
Speaker 1: my news wingman for several reasons. Um, we actually have

543
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:29,480
Speaker 1: a lot in common, right Like for starters, Um, we

544
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:31,640
Speaker 1: grew up in the same hood. You're living in Bozeman

545
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 1: now therefore longing for good pizza. But you're from p

546
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 1: a man from Pennsylvania. You're an East Sider like me,

547
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:41,400
Speaker 1: and we stick together. We We also fished a lot

548
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:43,159
Speaker 1: of the same waters out here on the East Coast.

549
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:46,680
Speaker 1: Yeah man, you know everything from Great Lakes Steele's to

550
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:51,720
Speaker 1: the U Dare Yeah man, yeah man, those little small

551
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 1: stream Brookies dude, and uh you know, yeah, I moved

552
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 1: west whatever, but I just want to shout out they

553
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 1: will always be great legs Steelhead to me. I don't

554
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:09,120
Speaker 1: care what anybody says. Migratory rainbow snobs don't at me. Yeah, don't. Also,

555
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 1: yeah man, the pizza here sucks. I know, It's okay. Well,

556
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:15,160
Speaker 1: well we'll talk about that probably often, the pizza triangle.

557
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 1: But we're also kind of kindred spirits and that we um.

558
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 1: I think we both grew up splitting our time between

559
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:22,679
Speaker 1: fishing and music, right, Like you, you played in a

560
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 1: bunch of bands, And when I was a kid, I

561
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:27,119
Speaker 1: always had to ask myself like, was it is this

562
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:30,719
Speaker 1: a fishing birthday or music birthday? You know what I mean? Right?

563
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 1: It's like do I need a new fly real or

564
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:35,360
Speaker 1: that sweet sweet grunge pedal. That's how it always was.

565
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 1: I know that deal. Well, my friend, you know, do

566
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 1: I want to replace the three hackle capes my doggate

567
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 1: last month? Or do I want that lame solid state

568
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:50,080
Speaker 1: crate amp that fifteen year old me didn't know was

569
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 1: complete trash. I know that's It's like I got a

570
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 1: Fender Squire in a pig nose rocking, you know what

571
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 1: I mean. So yeah, speaking of music, I'm gonna jump

572
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 1: in for a second because a while back I shouted

573
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 1: you out on Instagram. You helped coordinate the new Bent

574
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:08,960
Speaker 1: theme song. You orchestrated that with the band, and I

575
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 1: gave you a shout out for helping and you were like, dude,

576
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 1: everybody thinks I wrote the song and performed the song.

577
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 1: Can you please shout out the correct people? And I failed?

578
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 1: So this is your chance to tell all the Bent

579
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 1: listeners who is really responsible for the Bent theme song? Sure?

580
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 1: That was that was mostly coordinated by this dude, Logan

581
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 1: Roth and my other buddy, Will Brown. And they have

582
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 1: a production, you know, music production studio out of Philadelphia

583
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:45,480
Speaker 1: called Treacle Mind Recording. And then they're they're great musicians, dude.

584
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:49,959
Speaker 1: They put everything together. Man, Will is amazing, amazing, liked.

585
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 1: We We've got so many compliments on that. But I

586
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 1: hope you feel better now now that it's better late

587
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 1: than next. They have been officially shouted out, um, but

588
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 1: most portly right. While your primary gig is on the

589
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 1: audio side of things here at Meat Eater, Um, you've

590
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 1: also been doing a lot of great writing for our website, right, great,

591
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 1: great stuff. So I'm confident you can hang. In fact,

592
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 1: I know you can, um. And you even had Miles

593
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 1: blessing for this spot before he left. Yeah. Man, as

594
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 1: a Bent fan from day one, I remember listening to

595
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 1: the first episode and knowing that this was something special

596
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 1: and that's in yeah yeah, and that's no small part

597
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 1: due to our mutual friend, the irreplicable Mr Miles Nulty. Uh.

598
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 1: You know that dude has been such a big part

599
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 1: of the whole Mediator fishing department for like kind of ever.

600
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 1: And uh, I mean everything from das Boat you know,

601
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 1: to this podcast to ship ton More has his fingerprints

602
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 1: all over it. Uh. You know you and your listeners

603
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 1: already know this, But Miles is one of the smartest, wittiest,

604
00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 1: fishiest dudes I've ever met, and I'm totally humble to

605
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 1: take over his role on this small segment here. Man. Yeah,

606
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 1: you know I'm not. I'm no Miles Nulty, but I

607
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 1: hope you'll be happy with what I bring to the table.

608
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 1: And to that end, I intend to. Here's the thing, though,

609
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 1: I don't need you to be Miles. I don't want

610
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 1: you to bet though though question right, did your deep

611
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 1: voice help you score this gig? It did not hurt.

612
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 1: I will just say that. So anyway, Yes, this is

613
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 1: still a competition, so no pressure brow. But Hayden and

614
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 1: I still don't know which news story the other guy

615
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 1: is bringing to the table. Fill our engineer will still

616
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 1: be declaring a news victor. But now that we're only

617
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 1: bringing one story a piece of the table, it's like

618
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 1: we got to really bring the heat, you know what

619
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 1: I mean. Like with with fewer stories, Phil is gonna

620
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 1: have to maybe judge on style delivery. The whole works. Um,

621
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna give you the honor, my friend, of

622
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 1: leading off your first news so hit me. The floor

623
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 1: is yours. So Joe, being the upstanding citizen and conservationist

624
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 1: you are, I'm sure you've done your fair share of

625
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 1: river river cleanups. I have. I've done it. I've done

626
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 1: a clean up a time or two. Yes, and sometimes

627
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 1: you find some pretty crazy ship. I mean, I wouldn't

628
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:21,719
Speaker 1: say I found anything overly crazy during an actual clean up,

629
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 1: but I mean I've found some some pretty crazy ship

630
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 1: in rivers. But still, I see where you're going here. Okay,

631
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 1: how about a pipe bomb? No, No, I haven't done.

632
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 1: I've never I don't know if I would have recognized

633
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 1: that if I did. But to my knowledge, I've yet

634
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 1: to find a pipe bomb. So yeah, well today, and

635
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 1: I hate myself for making this fun. We're starting off

636
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 1: fish news with a bang. Okay, it's fine, I'll let

637
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 1: it fly, all right, all right. As reported September eight

638
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 1: by the Bozeman Daily Chronicle, Montana f w P search

639
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 1: and Rescue divers recently found a pipe bomb at a

640
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 1: Jefferson River fishing access shooty and sat hillbillies. Okay, all right,

641
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 1: I see how that's. I gotta be honest, like you're

642
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 1: you're from out here, so I know that's a big

643
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 1: deal there. You We have rivers here where there's just

644
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 1: signs that are like do not wait, bottom littered with

645
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 1: pipe bombs. But I'm still listening, like you still he

646
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 1: still he still got me, all right, yeah, man. Basically,

647
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 1: search and Rescue was doing some sort of training when

648
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:35,959
Speaker 1: divers came across an object quote having the look of

649
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:40,360
Speaker 1: a pipe bomb with a fuse at the Williams Bridge

650
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 1: fishing access. Okay, the fuse makes it. If it had

651
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 1: a fuse, I would know what I was looking at.

652
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 1: It's like comical a little bit, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

653
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 1: It's stereotypically think of as a pipe bomb, little pipe Anyhow,

654
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 1: they closed down the access, called in some explosive ordinance

655
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 1: technicians from the Maelstrom Air Force Base and blew the

656
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 1: suspected explosive device up. Uh. The origins remain unknown, and

657
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:12,360
Speaker 1: it's assumed it was probably just you know, some amateur

658
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:17,439
Speaker 1: fish hating bomb enthusiasts. I guess because because Sheriff Dan

659
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 1: Springer did not seem overly concerned. He's quoted as saying,

660
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 1: and I love this quote. It could be an innocuous thing.

661
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:29,359
Speaker 1: Given the placement of where we found it. It does

662
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 1: not appear to have any target value or anything. But

663
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:36,239
Speaker 1: if someone does have some information, that would be great

664
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:41,319
Speaker 1: to know. That would be great. Okay, I mean it's

665
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 1: a little more wild West out there. I mean, that's

666
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:46,239
Speaker 1: a dangerous thing, right, But I don't know. Does that

667
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 1: surprise you that he's like that, that lack of chill

668
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:51,759
Speaker 1: about it. Yeah, I feel like that's kind of a

669
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 1: little bit of a lax approach to it. That's sort

670
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 1: of like when you're at Walmart or something and if

671
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 1: somebody with the red Nissan your car alarm is going off,

672
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 1: like that would be great to know. Yeah, yeah, I

673
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 1: love that, you know, just your everyday innocuous pipe bomb.

674
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 1: I actually fished off the Jeff not too long ago

675
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:16,479
Speaker 1: with my buddy Corey from work, and we agreed it

676
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:19,759
Speaker 1: was one of the weirdest, most confusing days fishing we've

677
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 1: ever had. I mean, the bugs were everywhere, everywhere, and

678
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 1: we couldn't even get like a single riser. I mean,

679
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:30,399
Speaker 1: you know, we all if theories about like what put

680
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 1: the trout down right, barometric pressure, sunlight, whatever. I never

681
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:41,760
Speaker 1: would have thought maybe pipe bombs. I've never fished the Jeff,

682
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:43,880
Speaker 1: but it's like one of those bucket list rivers for me,

683
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 1: and I will not claim to be any sort of

684
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 1: expert on that river. I've heard of it more as

685
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 1: a streamer river than a bug river, definitely, But what

686
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:54,319
Speaker 1: I've heard from everybody is like it giveth and take

687
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:56,359
Speaker 1: it away. It's one of those places where it's just

688
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 1: lights out if you know how to time it, and

689
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 1: then there's just nothing there. If you haven't timed it correctly.

690
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 1: But I love those kind of places, and a lot

691
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 1: of times we have rivers out here. You're familiar with

692
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 1: the Lehigh, right, I'm a huge fan. It's the same thing.

693
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:13,759
Speaker 1: It's one of those places where if you know when

694
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:15,360
Speaker 1: to go and what you're doing, you're gonna see some

695
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 1: ship go down. But similarly, I'm sure that the pipe

696
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,840
Speaker 1: bombs in the lower Lehigh through Allentown and Bethlehem, p A.

697
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 1: Are innumerable, you know what I mean. You're probably probably

698
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 1: snag five of them per trip with a heavy sink tip.

699
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 1: You just don't know it, you know what I mean.

700
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 1: I I got some family in Allentown. Let me tell

701
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 1: you that it's definitely land of the pipe bomb. Yes, right,

702
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 1: exactly exactly alright. So anyway, the pipe bomb was disposed of,

703
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:43,400
Speaker 1: everybody got out of there with all their fingers, and

704
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:47,360
Speaker 1: the fishing access was reopened. Of the incident, f w

705
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:53,279
Speaker 1: P Warden Captain Adam Pankratz said it made for a

706
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 1: good reminder to use caution and carefully inspect items we

707
00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 1: would normally think of as litter before picking them up. Uh,

708
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:05,319
Speaker 1: you know, whether or not you pick it up. I'm

709
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 1: not sure you should get close enough to carefully inspect

710
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:11,719
Speaker 1: anything you think could be, you know, a bomb. But

711
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:15,400
Speaker 1: I get what he means. Yeah, you know, from this

712
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:19,799
Speaker 1: point on, during all my future river cleanups, I'll be

713
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:23,720
Speaker 1: keeping an eye out for use needles, broken glass, rusty

714
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 1: barbed wire, and now apparently pipe bombs. Yeah what a world. Well,

715
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 1: but you know what you you you bring up a

716
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:35,240
Speaker 1: valid point though about the river cleanups. Right, everybody jumps

717
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 1: on a river clean up. I mean they are happening

718
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:41,799
Speaker 1: all the time, and it is just the kind of thing,

719
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:43,880
Speaker 1: maybe not from the center of the river, depending on

720
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 1: the river. But you you pull that out of the

721
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 1: mud somewhere, you have no idea what you're looking at.

722
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:51,359
Speaker 1: I mean, that's pretty scary. Joking about pipe bombs aside, So,

723
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 1: I mean, I've never found anything particularly odd during a

724
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:58,360
Speaker 1: dedicated river clean up. Um, A lot a lot of

725
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 1: children's bicycles and those those razor scooters. That's the thing

726
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:03,880
Speaker 1: around here. I find a lot of razor scooters for

727
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:06,359
Speaker 1: some reason here in the market for you use one

728
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:08,759
Speaker 1: of those. Um, but I did, I did pull it.

729
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 1: I pulled a pistol out of the Delaware once years ago,

730
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 1: fully loaded um off the bottom and I ended up

731
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:16,879
Speaker 1: taking it to the police, thinking, you know it's used

732
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 1: in a crime or something. You do the right thing.

733
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:23,720
Speaker 1: And I certainly don't know the backstory. But um, buddy

734
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 1: of mine, who just knows more about guns than I do,

735
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 1: is like man, that's a really specific, very expensive pistol

736
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:35,319
Speaker 1: designed just for concealed carry. So it certainly could have

737
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 1: been stolen and chucked. But he's like man, better odds

738
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 1: with that one that you know, somebody was showing his

739
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:42,440
Speaker 1: buddy while they were out there striper fish in one

740
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:45,279
Speaker 1: spring at high water, and in the water it went um.

741
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:46,919
Speaker 1: I mean it had been in there for a long time.

742
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:49,279
Speaker 1: It was pretty trusted out. But I mean the pipe

743
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:51,360
Speaker 1: bomb thing is even scarier if you think about it.

744
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 1: Now with the whole magnet fishing culture, which I also

745
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,799
Speaker 1: dabble in, right, we we don't. We don't touch on

746
00:38:57,840 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 1: it too much in this show because even though it

747
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 1: has fishing in the title magnet fishing, it's not fishing.

748
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:05,959
Speaker 1: Okay they're not. They're not angling for fish. Um. But yeah,

749
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:08,719
Speaker 1: that was a COVID hobby I got into for I

750
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 1: found a bunch of AMMO and stuff doing that too

751
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 1: one time. It was weird, But I think the bottom

752
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 1: line here is definitely, um, you know, be careful what

753
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 1: you pick up when you're when you're saving the local

754
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 1: trout stream. Yeah, I mean I've never found anything like that.

755
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:27,399
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, I did find a fossilized bison tooth kind

756
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:29,799
Speaker 1: of recently doing a river clean up. I found one

757
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 1: of them my first time in Montana in high school.

758
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:36,279
Speaker 1: Just randomly found it on the Gallatin. Yeah, yeah, I

759
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:41,399
Speaker 1: found it on the East Gallaton. Anyhow, that said, I

760
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 1: was doing a river clean up for work, uh, you

761
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:49,280
Speaker 1: know the other day, and I did find a packet

762
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:53,279
Speaker 1: of condoms and a bunch of glow sticks, which was

763
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:59,439
Speaker 1: spans of picture. Oh yeah, and see if there's two

764
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:01,359
Speaker 1: types of p pull out there, man, those that throw

765
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:04,400
Speaker 1: bangers on rivers and those that throw bangers in there.

766
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 1: I guess you know glow sticks though, right, Like glow sticks?

767
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 1: Is that? What is that what your kids are doing

768
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:13,439
Speaker 1: these days? Just like having like an impromptu river rave,

769
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 1: crank up the screw licks and uh and go after it.

770
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:25,400
Speaker 1: Well there you go, so trying to think it had

771
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:28,360
Speaker 1: to transition to that. Um, I guess be careful what

772
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 1: you're looking for and watch out for the glow sticks

773
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:32,840
Speaker 1: if you happen to be doing any any cleanups on

774
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:35,480
Speaker 1: any river systems or ponds up in Maine. How's that

775
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 1: for a transition? You like that transitions matter in this game.

776
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 1: By the way, you didn't have to come up with

777
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 1: one today, but I did, and that's a poor one,

778
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 1: which tips the hat in your favor with Phil. Yes,

779
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 1: So people ask me all the time, what's still on

780
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 1: your bucket list? It's a fairly it's fairly common question.

781
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 1: And um, two of those things would be giant wild

782
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 1: brook trout like up in Labrador, Quebec. That's something I've

783
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 1: never gotten to do. I've never got up there. Um,

784
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 1: an Arctic char now bull trout used to be on

785
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:07,320
Speaker 1: that list, and I've scratched that one, though not thoroughly,

786
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:08,840
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like I've never been on

787
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:11,880
Speaker 1: a dedicated bully trip. It was incidental, which to me

788
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:14,959
Speaker 1: sort of counts but not really. Um, But I guess

789
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:16,840
Speaker 1: based on on on this list, it seems like I

790
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:18,920
Speaker 1: have a thing for chars, which maybe I do. Do

791
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 1: you know what do you charge? Where are you on

792
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:23,919
Speaker 1: that you do much char fishing? Uh? You know? Char?

793
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 1: I think are, for my money, probably the most beautiful

794
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:29,879
Speaker 1: salmonids that they're are, you know, I think they also

795
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 1: live in some of the most beautiful places. So when

796
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 1: COVID hit initially, I spent a ton of time, you know,

797
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:40,840
Speaker 1: just Blue Line and Brooke Trout up in northeastern p A.

798
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:44,799
Speaker 1: And then those little things just totally have my heart,

799
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Sure, yeah, I dide, I

800
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:49,799
Speaker 1: I get that. I mean, I I It's been a

801
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 1: while since I've done that. My problem is that, um

802
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:56,239
Speaker 1: like after a few I'm like, okay, like it's hard

803
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 1: to hold my attention with it all day long. But

804
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 1: I appreciate them so much, and there's a there's a

805
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 1: lot of that in that part of the world that

806
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 1: people don't know about. Don't give away your spots, but

807
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 1: I know that's one thing you have wired, is that

808
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:12,800
Speaker 1: that Northeast p A y. So anyway, so I've also

809
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:15,279
Speaker 1: I've kind of like always roped Arctic char in with

810
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:18,279
Speaker 1: she fish, which was another bucket list catch, and I

811
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:21,400
Speaker 1: got that one. But for both those and the chars,

812
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 1: most people assume you have to check pretty damn far

813
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 1: north to get after them. Um And that's true if

814
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:30,600
Speaker 1: you sort of want the real deal migratory giant char experience,

815
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 1: which I do. But if you're one of those folks

816
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 1: that just wants to check the list, just wants to

817
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:38,399
Speaker 1: say I got one, you could technically check arctic char

818
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 1: off in Maine, which I don't think many people realize.

819
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 1: Do you know that? Okay, So, Maine is the only

820
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:48,799
Speaker 1: state in the contiguous Lower forty eight that has a

821
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 1: native population of arctic char. Furthermore, according to the story

822
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:54,879
Speaker 1: I'm pulling from in the Banger Daily News, these are

823
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:59,399
Speaker 1: the rarest salmonids east of the Rocky Mountains. Now, historically

824
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:02,359
Speaker 1: they were referred to as blueback trout, which i'd heard

825
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 1: of that I've heard that term. But according to this

826
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:07,359
Speaker 1: piece by Bob Mallard, while I guess the locals still

827
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 1: call him that, he seems to suggest that's gonna get

828
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:12,319
Speaker 1: phased out and they're just gonna start calling them arctic

829
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:15,400
Speaker 1: char because that's what they are. So the average char

830
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 1: in Maine, um it's it's gonna measure a foot or

831
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 1: less and the state record is only So these are

832
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 1: not the giants you see uber rich people mean mumming

833
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:28,879
Speaker 1: with in Greenland. These are like the everyman's accessible char

834
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 1: you know. Um Anyway, so these these main char there

835
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 1: the southernmost native population in the world, and you'd think

836
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 1: that would mean that they'd be treated with care. But

837
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 1: this story, uh, sadly is really focused on how little

838
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 1: Maine is doing to protect these fish. UM. Now, Mallard

839
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:49,400
Speaker 1: great writer, he takes a deep dive into the specifics,

840
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:51,399
Speaker 1: but I'm just gonna run through the cliff notes version

841
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:53,759
Speaker 1: here just that sort of hit some bullet points. So

842
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 1: we all understand. There used to be nineteen bodies of

843
00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 1: what are in the state that supported these char There

844
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 1: are now twelve, um, all of which are ponds, many

845
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 1: interconnected by running water. Eleven of those waters still have

846
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 1: a daily harvest limit between one and five fish, and

847
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 1: then Mallard rights length limits are often inadequate, as one

848
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 1: water has an eighteen inch limit, ten have slot limits

849
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 1: of ten to twelve inches, with one fish over slot allowed,

850
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 1: and six waters have a six inch limit, the lowest

851
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:27,359
Speaker 1: length limit allowed for salmonids under main law. And that

852
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 1: one struck me right, I'm curious, see what you think

853
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 1: because you're you're a Brookie guy. Because in my opinion

854
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 1: or the way I see it, unless you're in a

855
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:36,839
Speaker 1: survival situation or you're camping and the only way you're

856
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:40,800
Speaker 1: eating tonight is to take what you can get. Who's

857
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 1: keeping a six inch t? Like, no matter how you

858
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 1: cook that fish, the little brookies or whatever, isn't that

859
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 1: shriveling up to nothing? And I'm not judging? Like is

860
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:51,919
Speaker 1: that a thing? Like? Do you do you like catch

861
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 1: those little guys and eat them. I've heard people say

862
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 1: it's the best trout your lever eat is a tiny

863
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 1: little brookie? Is that true? I've never had one, you know.

864
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:03,239
Speaker 1: I I wouldn't mess with a six inch brookie. I'd say,

865
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:06,239
Speaker 1: my my, I'd take I'd take a seven and a half, though,

866
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 1: in a heart I would betman. Man, my favorite meal ever, dude,

867
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 1: is like, you know, picking some morrel's on a stream bank,

868
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 1: catching a couple of brookie and working that up man,

869
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:21,759
Speaker 1: bonus points if you can find some ramps. You know,

870
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 1: that's like a northeast kind of thing. Uh, you know,

871
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:27,600
Speaker 1: I I could see it, maybe not six inches, but

872
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:31,799
Speaker 1: particularly if you're slot limit's like what one? Right? Yeah?

873
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:33,359
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, what are you gonna do with that?

874
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:37,359
Speaker 1: What are you doing? That's like a fish stick. But

875
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 1: all those things you just mentioned, though Morrel's followed by trout,

876
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 1: followed by ramps. Good for you. I'm happy to find

877
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 1: time to do one of those, and then I have

878
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 1: to go home and do something with my kids. So

879
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 1: if you can hit all those in one shot, God

880
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 1: bless stay gold Cony boy. Anyway, Mallard adds at least

881
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 1: ten Arctic char waters allow the use of bait, which

882
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:01,719
Speaker 1: by most estimates, almost with a thirty to thirty five

883
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:05,440
Speaker 1: percent incidental mortality rate. He says there have also been

884
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 1: instances where the state accidentally stocked invasive, non native landlocked

885
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:13,759
Speaker 1: salmon over native Arctic char. Other ponds have been infested

886
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 1: with non native smell, which the state stocks to feed

887
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 1: the non native salmon, right, I mean, come on, so

888
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:23,840
Speaker 1: it main also stocks non native lake trout, and according

889
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 1: to Mallard's research, there have been reports over the years

890
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:29,240
Speaker 1: of anglers catching char and waters the state claims doesn't

891
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 1: have them, and when one's caught, they'll say, wow, that's

892
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 1: just a random one that went over the damn from

893
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:38,719
Speaker 1: this pond that does have them. So here's the thing.

894
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:41,239
Speaker 1: I grabbed the story because, frankly, if you break this

895
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:44,320
Speaker 1: all down it. To me, it speaks to the hypocrisy

896
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:46,759
Speaker 1: that you see in fishing all the time. And the

897
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 1: bottom line is that money drives everything, including what swims

898
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:54,360
Speaker 1: where you live. Right, So to relate it to snakeheads,

899
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:58,240
Speaker 1: because it's just easy. Alone snake pops up in New Yorker, Massachusetts,

900
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 1: everyone flips ship right there, suddenly worried about their bass

901
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:04,399
Speaker 1: and crop eas, which aren't native either. Rest assured some

902
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 1: native darter or sucker or whatever took a hit or

903
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 1: went away at some point in history because bass or

904
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:13,759
Speaker 1: walleyes or whatever, we're stocked there. Yet here is a

905
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 1: known remaining population of rare native fish, and nobody's freaking

906
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 1: out about it. Why is that? What? Do I truly

907
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:25,240
Speaker 1: believe lake trout and landlocked salmon, cell tackle and licenses

908
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:29,280
Speaker 1: mains char do not. It's as simple as that. Um.

909
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:31,799
Speaker 1: In fact, not long ago, I covered another story from

910
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 1: Bob Mallard and he said, you know, Main's governor is

911
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:39,279
Speaker 1: putting millions into state hatcheries. Why not put millions into

912
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:42,479
Speaker 1: your native chars, study them, protect them, because that doesn't

913
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:44,880
Speaker 1: make anyone any money. You know, if snakehead anglers suddenly

914
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:48,320
Speaker 1: bought more tackle than bass anglers the snakehead tour suddenly

915
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:50,919
Speaker 1: got bigger than the bass tour, they'd be okay, um,

916
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 1: So it all it all comes back to money, man,

917
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:55,440
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Yeah, And then there are

918
00:47:55,600 --> 00:48:01,160
Speaker 1: so many fisheries where angler interest is both a a

919
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:05,239
Speaker 1: gift and a curse, and I think that, uh, a

920
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:08,359
Speaker 1: lot of times they see the cash opportunity and they

921
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 1: end up sort of mismanaging a fishery sure because they

922
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:15,680
Speaker 1: think that, well, if we're getting all this money into fishing,

923
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 1: then then it must be a good But the reality

924
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 1: is a lot of times a misallocation of that money

925
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:28,879
Speaker 1: towards maybe a more attractive recreational opportunity really just kind

926
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:32,240
Speaker 1: of the native fish. Well, what what gets me about

927
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 1: this story, right, is that you know, you see similar

928
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:37,800
Speaker 1: things with a lot of the smaller cutthroat species and

929
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 1: the desert and things like that, but if you look

930
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 1: at where they are, it's not a high population density area.

931
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:45,879
Speaker 1: So it's almost easier to look the other way because

932
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:48,759
Speaker 1: it's like you're saving a trout that nobody can touch,

933
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:50,720
Speaker 1: or very few people are going to get to where

934
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:52,759
Speaker 1: they are to do that. Then you have this here

935
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:55,400
Speaker 1: in Maine. It's like this is really accessible ship, Like

936
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 1: there's a lot of people that fish there, which would

937
00:48:57,560 --> 00:48:59,919
Speaker 1: seem like it would be more impetus to pay atten

938
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:03,319
Speaker 1: into this than even some of the lesser species out there.

939
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:06,239
Speaker 1: It's just like how you said many they're dropping a

940
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 1: bunch of stockers basically in there, and dropping a bunch

941
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:11,319
Speaker 1: of feed for the stockers in there, and it's like,

942
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:14,920
Speaker 1: all right, well you got a new recreational fish or

943
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 1: you're you're continuing an artificial recreational fishery, but like at

944
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 1: what cost to like the natural integrity of what's supposed

945
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:27,040
Speaker 1: to be there. Well, and that's and that's the problem

946
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:28,799
Speaker 1: all over is And that's also a question you and

947
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:31,880
Speaker 1: I are not going to answer right now. Um, maybe

948
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:34,600
Speaker 1: Phili surprise us and he'll answer it. Instead of declaring

949
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:38,360
Speaker 1: a victor today, he will have all the answers to that. Um,

950
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:40,760
Speaker 1: it's got to say, did you did a great job today?

951
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:43,400
Speaker 1: I think this is gonna be fun. I want everybody

952
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:46,319
Speaker 1: to find Hayden on the Instagram and give him a

953
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:48,239
Speaker 1: shout out. This was a big deal and this was

954
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:49,719
Speaker 1: this was very fun to do. You were going to

955
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:53,640
Speaker 1: hear from him week over week here in news um, so,

956
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 1: now now you get to be judged by Phil. It's Phil.

957
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:58,640
Speaker 1: Phil technically your boss. He's not your boss, is he? Yeah?

958
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:00,319
Speaker 1: I have a feeling I'm not learning this and Joe,

959
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:04,960
Speaker 1: we will see how you fare and then guess what

960
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 1: how about this ship? As soon as we're done hearing

961
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:11,920
Speaker 1: from Phil, Phil is going to do a freaking finn clips.

962
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:15,440
Speaker 1: Phil is going to teach you something about a species

963
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 1: you did not know. I cannot wait, partially because I'm

964
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:24,680
Speaker 1: just trying to be nice to the new guy, but

965
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:26,640
Speaker 1: also because it's hard to beat a bomb at a

966
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 1: fishing access site on the Jefferson Hayden. You're the winner.

967
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:34,960
Speaker 1: M I wonder who could have left the bomb there?

968
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:37,680
Speaker 1: Do we know if anyone who enjoys fishing like a

969
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:42,279
Speaker 1: known fishing personality who disappeared from somewhere that they've been seen,

970
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:47,239
Speaker 1: often without much notice, and fled to a foreign country. No,

971
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 1: you don't think. According to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration,

972
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:04,719
Speaker 1: over eighty percent of the Earth's oceans are unexplored and unmapped.

973
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:07,400
Speaker 1: Now I don't know about you, but I find that

974
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:11,719
Speaker 1: both incredibly thrilling and terrifying. It's one thing to look

975
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 1: up past the Milky Way into the vast infinity of

976
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:16,840
Speaker 1: space during the first semester at your state university and

977
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:20,120
Speaker 1: wonder where did we all come from? Man, we'll never

978
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 1: know what's out there. But the next time you're on

979
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 1: a transoceanic flight, you can look down out of the

980
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:28,640
Speaker 1: window into the sea and think practically the same thing.

981
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:32,399
Speaker 1: The first written records of the massive cephalopod we've come

982
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:34,799
Speaker 1: to call the giant squid go back as far as

983
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:38,880
Speaker 1: Aristotle and Pliny the Elder. They described the calamari with

984
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:42,480
Speaker 1: a head as big as a cask. Throughout the nineteenth century,

985
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:45,279
Speaker 1: strandings as they referred to where the carcass of a

986
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:48,280
Speaker 1: giant squid would wash ashore started to become more common.

987
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:50,719
Speaker 1: We would come to realize that there is so much

988
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:54,239
Speaker 1: more beneath the surface than we could ever know. The

989
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:57,320
Speaker 1: first photographs of the giant squid and its natural habitat

990
00:51:57,520 --> 00:52:02,120
Speaker 1: didn't exist until two thousand four. Yeah, fewer than twenty

991
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:04,600
Speaker 1: years ago, and there was no video record until two

992
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:07,680
Speaker 1: thousand six. We think they can grow up to thirteen

993
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:10,960
Speaker 1: meters long, but we're not sure. We think the average

994
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:13,720
Speaker 1: lifespan is about five years, but that's just a guess.

995
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:16,960
Speaker 1: We think they generally dwell between three hundred and a

996
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:19,720
Speaker 1: thousand meters below the ocean, but only because we study

997
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:23,400
Speaker 1: the feeding patterns of their predators. Regular listeners of this

998
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:26,560
Speaker 1: here show will be familiar with a segment titled Freaking Philistines.

999
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:29,239
Speaker 1: The intro audio from that segment is pulled from a

1000
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:32,279
Speaker 1: two thousand five movie directed by Noah Bomboch titled The

1001
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:35,320
Speaker 1: Squid in the Whale, the title referring to the diorama

1002
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:37,319
Speaker 1: at the Museum of Natural History in New York that

1003
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:39,799
Speaker 1: depicts a sperm whale locked in deadly battle with a

1004
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:43,080
Speaker 1: giant squid. The scene terrified one of the characters in

1005
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:45,160
Speaker 1: the movie when he was a child, so he projects

1006
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:47,879
Speaker 1: all the anxiety and anger he carries for his dad

1007
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 1: onto the squid in the whale and blah blah, blah blah,

1008
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:53,239
Speaker 1: it's a bunch of pretentious indie movie bullshit. What do

1009
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 1: you think this is an episode of Freaking Philistines. That

1010
00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 1: being said, it's on Netflix and you should check it out.

1011
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 1: I'm sure you've heard that old horror movie one oh

1012
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:04,480
Speaker 1: one trick. The monster is scarier. If you don't see it,

1013
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:07,520
Speaker 1: it can be whatever you want it to be. Thirteen

1014
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:11,000
Speaker 1: meter long tentacled beasts living five below the sea that

1015
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:13,960
Speaker 1: we had almost no photographic evidence of until two thousand

1016
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:17,440
Speaker 1: four fits this bill pretty well, don't you think so

1017
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:19,919
Speaker 1: much so that if you saw something like this one

1018
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:23,040
Speaker 1: thousand years ago, you might be inclined to make of

1019
00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:26,759
Speaker 1: it whatever you wanted to. Several years ago, at a

1020
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:29,120
Speaker 1: family reunion that I would have jumped into moving traffic

1021
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:31,200
Speaker 1: to get out of attending, I saw a man standing

1022
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:33,280
Speaker 1: by the beer coolers whom I had not met before.

1023
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:35,839
Speaker 1: His long black hair was sticking to his forehead, and

1024
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:38,399
Speaker 1: his beard was almost more gray than black. His eyes

1025
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:41,480
Speaker 1: looked somewhat glazed over, but he looked friendly looking back.

1026
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 1: It might have been his fourth I p a giving

1027
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:45,040
Speaker 1: him that welcoming look, but I was keeping up with

1028
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:49,800
Speaker 1: his pace, and I approached Phil Taylor. He said, oh hey,

1029
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:52,719
Speaker 1: I replied, very much, taken aback, I'm sorry? What was

1030
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:56,000
Speaker 1: your name again? It's fine, kid, he said, we haven't met,

1031
00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:58,080
Speaker 1: so don't worry. You don't have to pretend to know me.

1032
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:01,200
Speaker 1: I like this guy already. How do you know who

1033
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:03,919
Speaker 1: I am? Well, it says Phil tya on your name tag,

1034
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:05,719
Speaker 1: and there are a whole lot of tailors here. Just

1035
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:09,040
Speaker 1: kind of put two and two together, I laughed, getting

1036
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:12,719
Speaker 1: uncomfortable again. What do you do You ever been to

1037
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:17,760
Speaker 1: Storm's End, he said, finally looking up. I stuttered, can't

1038
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 1: say I have, And to be honest, I had no

1039
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:25,320
Speaker 1: idea where Storm's End was. Main somewhere in Canada, he continued.

1040
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 1: We had seven ships all crewed up. The terry On

1041
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:30,719
Speaker 1: had sent us there to raid and mop up. It

1042
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:32,640
Speaker 1: was left on the docks from a recent shipment the

1043
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:35,319
Speaker 1: Barathians had brought in from Mere Simple done at a

1044
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:38,160
Speaker 1: thousand times before. Half their fleet was up north doing

1045
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:40,200
Speaker 1: god knows what past kings landing, and it was ours

1046
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:43,359
Speaker 1: for the taking. We took three days out and we're

1047
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:45,480
Speaker 1: heading round south. I was the only man on that

1048
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:47,800
Speaker 1: ship not drunk that night, and if you can believe it,

1049
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:49,920
Speaker 1: I felt like it had been dark for days. The

1050
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:52,640
Speaker 1: sun had to be coming soon. That's when we heard it,

1051
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:55,160
Speaker 1: a roar from beneath the waves, so deep and loud

1052
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:57,200
Speaker 1: it rattled the nails in the frame of the ship.

1053
00:54:57,719 --> 00:55:00,200
Speaker 1: Then drinking songs went silent. The men in their salt

1054
00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:02,760
Speaker 1: wives all came above deck. After a minute of silence,

1055
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:04,959
Speaker 1: the fear in our faces began to fade, and spar

1056
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:07,399
Speaker 1: pushed out the loudest far any of us had ever heard.

1057
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:11,680
Speaker 1: So that's what that sound was, Far wind yelled, everyone laughed.

1058
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:15,040
Speaker 1: They all laughed. The next thing I saw was spars

1059
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:17,680
Speaker 1: body being thrown so hard against the deck it's split

1060
00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:21,279
Speaker 1: into It was chaos. The ship rocks so fiercely I

1061
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:23,520
Speaker 1: was nearly thrown overboard until I grabbed a rope so

1062
00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:25,959
Speaker 1: that my skin was torn from my palms. I pulled

1063
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:28,319
Speaker 1: myself back onto the deck and looked over into the sea.

1064
00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:31,080
Speaker 1: Its arms burst out of the water from every direction,

1065
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:33,399
Speaker 1: like sides through wheat, and cut through the ship just

1066
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:36,200
Speaker 1: the same. Those who saw as I did cease their laughing,

1067
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:38,279
Speaker 1: but had no time to scream, for the arms had

1068
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:41,239
Speaker 1: already pulled them under. I thought about running below deck,

1069
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:44,279
Speaker 1: but knew it was likely underwater already. Instead, I ran

1070
00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:47,160
Speaker 1: to the bow, jumping over body parts and splintered wood,

1071
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:49,200
Speaker 1: as the tentacles are making quick work of the middle

1072
00:55:49,239 --> 00:55:52,040
Speaker 1: of the ship, rising fifty into the air and crashing

1073
00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:55,040
Speaker 1: into the deck, smashing everything that came between. It was

1074
00:55:55,080 --> 00:55:57,680
Speaker 1: then that two more arms emerged from the water, twice

1075
00:55:57,719 --> 00:55:59,719
Speaker 1: as long as any before, from both sides of what

1076
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:02,480
Speaker 1: end of the ship. They did not fall, but slowly

1077
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:06,080
Speaker 1: embraced the old boat and squeezed, squeezed until the boat

1078
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:07,920
Speaker 1: split into and I was thrown from the bow as

1079
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:10,239
Speaker 1: if it were a tribute. The wind was knocked out

1080
00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:12,160
Speaker 1: of me. As I landed in the water, I flailed

1081
00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:14,640
Speaker 1: until I saw what remained if a mass twenty behind me,

1082
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:17,439
Speaker 1: and I swam to it, held on and passed out.

1083
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:20,479
Speaker 1: When I awoke, the sun was up. I screamed before

1084
00:56:20,520 --> 00:56:22,800
Speaker 1: I was even awake, as if the monster were still attacking.

1085
00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:25,759
Speaker 1: There was no echo and no response. I floated on

1086
00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:27,320
Speaker 1: that mass for the remains of the day. When a

1087
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:30,800
Speaker 1: merchant ship passed just before sundown. The crew pulled me aboard,

1088
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:32,600
Speaker 1: and that's when I noticed my right foot was so

1089
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:35,080
Speaker 1: purple and mangled I would not walk with it again.

1090
00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:37,400
Speaker 1: They brought me to Old Town, where the masters were

1091
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:40,160
Speaker 1: able to remove it, sparing my leg. In my life.

1092
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:44,920
Speaker 1: And now I need another beer. The bearded man leaned

1093
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:47,280
Speaker 1: down to the cooler, pulled out another can, and turned

1094
00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:49,560
Speaker 1: to face the sound, now turning bright orange with the

1095
00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:52,160
Speaker 1: setting of the sun. As soon as I came to

1096
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:54,120
Speaker 1: my senses. I two turned and looked at the rest

1097
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:58,560
Speaker 1: of my extended family. What the am I the only

1098
00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:01,279
Speaker 1: one who heard this ship? My brain was scrambling to

1099
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:03,200
Speaker 1: think of a follow up question when I realized I

1100
00:57:03,239 --> 00:57:05,600
Speaker 1: never asked the man his name. When I turned back

1101
00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:09,920
Speaker 1: to do so, he was gone. We will the unknown

1102
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:13,720
Speaker 1: into being, and if it spreads far enough, it becomes iconic,

1103
00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:17,000
Speaker 1: a canvas for anyone and everyone to paint with their

1104
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:22,080
Speaker 1: own conceptions of reality, their hopes, their fears. Before the

1105
00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:24,479
Speaker 1: bearded man reached down for his last beer, he told

1106
00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:28,200
Speaker 1: me a lion maybe fierce enough on land, but at

1107
00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:33,280
Speaker 1: sea the Kraken rules supreme. Or maybe I just read

1108
00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:40,959
Speaker 1: that in a book somewhere. Wow. Yeah, So I'm I'm

1109
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:44,439
Speaker 1: not sure what I really learned about the new species there,

1110
00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:47,320
Speaker 1: but I'm suddenly now in the mood to watch either

1111
00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:51,120
Speaker 1: cabin Boy or Highlander. I just can't decide that was

1112
00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:53,280
Speaker 1: a very fill tailor finclips if I ever heard one

1113
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:55,960
Speaker 1: well done, but there was, I'm gonna guess because I

1114
00:57:55,960 --> 00:57:58,840
Speaker 1: didn't watch there's some Game of Thrones references in there,

1115
00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:04,160
Speaker 1: right right? Oh yeah, um, yeah, yeah, you you're calling

1116
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:07,160
Speaker 1: it a very finn tailor, Finnlips. I think I think

1117
00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:10,000
Speaker 1: you mean that more is a compliment than an insult.

1118
00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:12,680
Speaker 1: I'd say it's probably like a sixty forty split there.

1119
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:15,400
Speaker 1: I'll take the compliment though. Thanks you. You also just

1120
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:19,240
Speaker 1: called yourself Finn Taylor, which do not cut that out,

1121
00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:21,160
Speaker 1: because that's just what I'm going to refer to you

1122
00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:24,760
Speaker 1: as now from now on. Anyway, So why I think

1123
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:26,840
Speaker 1: nobody is allowed to fish it storms in until they

1124
00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:29,480
Speaker 1: lift their COVID restrictions. I do think we can go

1125
00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:32,120
Speaker 1: to Mexico pretty sure. We've already been there once in

1126
00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:34,480
Speaker 1: this show today, so why not end there too. I'm

1127
00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:36,040
Speaker 1: gonna close it out with an end of the line

1128
00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:38,520
Speaker 1: with a lesson about bass lors. I picked up just

1129
00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:40,800
Speaker 1: a hairy east of Mositlan and have carried with me

1130
00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:47,960
Speaker 1: to Larry Ponds across the US. Well, that's not loud enough.

1131
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:54,800
Speaker 1: This is going to be a roundabout way of getting

1132
00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:57,960
Speaker 1: to a very simple end of the line suggestion. But

1133
00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:01,520
Speaker 1: this story has always reson aided with me. I never

1134
00:59:01,600 --> 00:59:04,720
Speaker 1: forgot it, and it perfectly sums up my thoughts on

1135
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:08,640
Speaker 1: many things in fishing. It also happened on the same

1136
00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:11,400
Speaker 1: aforementioned trip where I ended up kind of held at

1137
00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:14,760
Speaker 1: gunpoint in the Mexican airport. Back in two thousand nine,

1138
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:18,280
Speaker 1: I got invited to fish the famed Lake El Salto

1139
00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:22,240
Speaker 1: in the Mexican state of Sinaloa. Now I've mentioned that

1140
00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:24,520
Speaker 1: I'm not much of a large mouth guy, but a

1141
00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:27,240
Speaker 1: chance to fish El Salto, which at the time had

1142
00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:31,040
Speaker 1: a reputation as one of the world's leading giant fish factories,

1143
00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:34,480
Speaker 1: wasn't something I was going to pass up. This is

1144
00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:37,080
Speaker 1: where you went looking to score a double digit bass

1145
00:59:37,120 --> 00:59:39,560
Speaker 1: without working too hard, and I was a guest of

1146
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:44,080
Speaker 1: Pure Fishing. Now Pure Fishing owned Abu, Garcia, and Berkeley,

1147
00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:46,520
Speaker 1: just to name a few brands under their umbrella, but

1148
00:59:46,880 --> 00:59:52,440
Speaker 1: they had just recently acquired Sabelle Patrick Sabille, who started

1149
00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:56,400
Speaker 1: his namesake Lure Company, was a lure making revolutionary. He

1150
00:59:56,440 --> 01:00:00,960
Speaker 1: created several truly genius baits like the Magic Swimmer, the

1151
01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:04,600
Speaker 1: Stick Shad, and the Vibrato. But Sabiel was also one

1152
01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:08,000
Speaker 1: of those types that insisted every classic lure you knew

1153
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:11,240
Speaker 1: in love could be improved upon. He kind of fixed

1154
01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:14,040
Speaker 1: some things that weren't really broken, many of which didn't

1155
01:00:14,040 --> 01:00:16,600
Speaker 1: hang around nearly as long as the Magic swimmer, stick,

1156
01:00:16,600 --> 01:00:20,680
Speaker 1: shad and vibrato. Sabelle himself was not on this trip

1157
01:00:20,720 --> 01:00:23,320
Speaker 1: to Mexico, but all the hardbeats supplied for us to

1158
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:26,480
Speaker 1: use on this trip happened to be Sabielle lures. At

1159
01:00:26,520 --> 01:00:28,560
Speaker 1: the time, a very good friend of mine was working

1160
01:00:28,600 --> 01:00:31,640
Speaker 1: for Pure Fishing, an older, wiser fella and a real

1161
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:35,200
Speaker 1: Southern gentleman. Sabiel lures were so new to the company

1162
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:38,160
Speaker 1: that my old buddy hadn't fished with many, or perhaps

1163
01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:41,080
Speaker 1: any at all, before coming on this trip to Al Salto.

1164
01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:44,439
Speaker 1: On our second day, we ended up on a boat

1165
01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:47,520
Speaker 1: together and our guide took us to a flooded stump field.

1166
01:00:48,200 --> 01:00:50,400
Speaker 1: Most of the guides there speak little English, but they

1167
01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:54,480
Speaker 1: can get the necessities across spinner baits. Signor was all

1168
01:00:54,520 --> 01:00:56,920
Speaker 1: he had to say. So he dug into our courtesy

1169
01:00:56,960 --> 01:00:59,960
Speaker 1: bags phill of Sabia lures and found Sabielle pro chads

1170
01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:02,960
Speaker 1: bitter baits. I mean, they looked like spinner baits, but

1171
01:01:03,240 --> 01:01:07,080
Speaker 1: the devil was in the details. Instead of a normal blade,

1172
01:01:07,120 --> 01:01:11,080
Speaker 1: they had some funky, odd fish shaped blade. It actually

1173
01:01:11,080 --> 01:01:13,960
Speaker 1: looked like the side profile of a crank bait on

1174
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:16,240
Speaker 1: the same post as the blade. There was this little

1175
01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:20,280
Speaker 1: tassel made from rubber legs. The arm was also chocked

1176
01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:22,960
Speaker 1: full of weird angles, and the hook was deeply scooped

1177
01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:26,080
Speaker 1: and curved, more like a circle hook. But it's all

1178
01:01:26,120 --> 01:01:28,320
Speaker 1: we had. And hey, I'm here with the guy that

1179
01:01:28,360 --> 01:01:32,360
Speaker 1: works for Sabiel, so all good. I noticed right away

1180
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:35,680
Speaker 1: that the blades weren't turning consistently, and my buddy, he

1181
01:01:35,720 --> 01:01:38,480
Speaker 1: was noticing this too. He was also noticing how that

1182
01:01:38,520 --> 01:01:40,720
Speaker 1: little tassel sometimes got in the way of the blade.

1183
01:01:41,120 --> 01:01:43,120
Speaker 1: We were both noticing that the Lord had a tendency

1184
01:01:43,160 --> 01:01:45,920
Speaker 1: to come in on its side now and again. Now

1185
01:01:45,960 --> 01:01:48,120
Speaker 1: I just sort of slow rolled with the punches and

1186
01:01:48,200 --> 01:01:50,040
Speaker 1: kept my mouth shut, but I could tell by his

1187
01:01:50,160 --> 01:01:53,920
Speaker 1: silence my man was getting frustrated. Then he gets bit

1188
01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:58,840
Speaker 1: and the fish doesn't connect. Silence, He gets thumped again,

1189
01:01:59,320 --> 01:02:04,000
Speaker 1: no connection, silence. After about the fifth time, this man,

1190
01:02:04,160 --> 01:02:06,720
Speaker 1: who had never once heard raise his voice, take the

1191
01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:09,800
Speaker 1: Lord's name in vain or drop an F bomb, screamed,

1192
01:02:10,360 --> 01:02:13,320
Speaker 1: Oh my god, what I wouldn't give for a three

1193
01:02:13,320 --> 01:02:17,760
Speaker 1: dollar war eagle spinner bait right now? That night, after dinner,

1194
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:20,320
Speaker 1: he pulled me aside, kind of in the shadows, away

1195
01:02:20,320 --> 01:02:22,240
Speaker 1: from the rest of the other writers and guests and

1196
01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:24,920
Speaker 1: people from his company and their sabill hats and shirts,

1197
01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:27,960
Speaker 1: and like a drug deal going down, he looked around

1198
01:02:28,160 --> 01:02:31,080
Speaker 1: and slipped one Plaine White and one sharp Truce War

1199
01:02:31,160 --> 01:02:34,480
Speaker 1: Eagle spinner bait in my hand. All he said was

1200
01:02:34,840 --> 01:02:37,480
Speaker 1: make sure they don't end up in any photos. Okay,

1201
01:02:38,040 --> 01:02:41,520
Speaker 1: now I'm about some Sabee Magic swimmer swim baits. In fact,

1202
01:02:41,560 --> 01:02:43,440
Speaker 1: they're so cool I might do an end of the

1203
01:02:43,480 --> 01:02:46,560
Speaker 1: line just on them. They've produced stripers and mahi and

1204
01:02:46,680 --> 01:02:50,840
Speaker 1: small mouths when nothing else got touched. But I was

1205
01:02:50,920 --> 01:02:54,480
Speaker 1: then and am now a believer that cheap, generic plane

1206
01:02:54,520 --> 01:02:57,000
Speaker 1: Jane spinner bates have stood the test of time for

1207
01:02:57,040 --> 01:02:59,600
Speaker 1: a reason. It's never been broke, so we don't need

1208
01:02:59,640 --> 01:03:02,400
Speaker 1: to fix it. And I still gravitate to the ones

1209
01:03:02,480 --> 01:03:06,160
Speaker 1: hanging on the pegs naked without the clamshell packaging in

1210
01:03:06,200 --> 01:03:09,680
Speaker 1: Walmart and bass Pro. And no, I do not need

1211
01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:18,720
Speaker 1: tungsten blades. So that's it for this week. Remember, nobody

1212
01:03:18,720 --> 01:03:20,960
Speaker 1: in Mexico will ever steer your fly fishing gear because

1213
01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:23,760
Speaker 1: they don't believe it's effective for catching fish. Canadian people

1214
01:03:23,840 --> 01:03:26,040
Speaker 1: need to figure out that I is a vow and

1215
01:03:26,080 --> 01:03:28,439
Speaker 1: it does, in fact make a sound. You're gonna lose

1216
01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:30,720
Speaker 1: all your spinner baits anyway, So by the cheap ones.

1217
01:03:30,760 --> 01:03:32,240
Speaker 1: And if anyone has a spot to fill on that

1218
01:03:32,280 --> 01:03:34,400
Speaker 1: crack and charter you book with your drunk uncles. Phil's

1219
01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:36,600
Speaker 1: got two hundred bucks and a vintage e glue cooler

1220
01:03:36,720 --> 01:03:39,200
Speaker 1: and he is ready to go. Yeah, And also send

1221
01:03:39,280 --> 01:03:43,240
Speaker 1: your voice memos for nibbles and SIPs in Yeah, they're

1222
01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:46,440
Speaker 1: gonna be fun to edit. Um. Also keep those sabbing items,

1223
01:03:46,440 --> 01:03:48,920
Speaker 1: bar nominations, awkward photos, news clips, and whatever the hell

1224
01:03:48,920 --> 01:03:51,640
Speaker 1: else you want us to consider for use on this show.

1225
01:03:51,680 --> 01:03:54,600
Speaker 1: Coming to Bent at the meat Eater dot com. And

1226
01:03:54,680 --> 01:03:57,280
Speaker 1: if you post any foods on a stick, tag them

1227
01:03:57,320 --> 01:04:00,600
Speaker 1: Degenerate Angler or Bent Podcast Joe who told me to

1228
01:04:00,600 --> 01:04:02,919
Speaker 1: say that, yes, because we love foods on a stick.

1229
01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:05,240
Speaker 1: I also love and appreciate Mr Phil Taylor for being

1230
01:04:05,240 --> 01:04:07,960
Speaker 1: my first guest co host. Should I have him do

1231
01:04:08,040 --> 01:04:11,000
Speaker 1: it again, let me know big thanks again to Hayden

1232
01:04:11,040 --> 01:04:13,560
Speaker 1: Samak for jumping aboard the news train. He'll be back

1233
01:04:13,600 --> 01:04:16,000
Speaker 1: next week and until then, remember keep your freedom loops

1234
01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:18,040
Speaker 1: tight and your wallet in your front pocket.