WEBVTT - Lab 003: Lie to Me

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<v Speaker 1>What's the last lie you told? I generally don't lie.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like I'm an honest person. So so that lie?

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<v Speaker 1>What lie that you just told?

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like if you want to call trying to

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<v Speaker 2>make someone happy a lie, then.

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<v Speaker 1>Then yes, you're lying. It's a lie. Regardless of your intention,

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<v Speaker 1>you're lying. I don't. I don't think that's how that works.

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<v Speaker 1>I can tell when you're lying. You always go.

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<v Speaker 3>Like, yeah, it looks good, Yeah, come on, it'll be fine.

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<v Speaker 3>I think you should wear that outfit. And so whenever

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<v Speaker 3>you start climbing those octaves, I know you're lying.

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<v Speaker 2>To be kind, I think that there are good lies

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<v Speaker 2>and there are bad lies, and I think I tell

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<v Speaker 2>nothing but good lies.

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<v Speaker 1>Glinda the good Witch, still a witch. I'm t T

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm Zachiah.

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<v Speaker 2>And from Spotify Studios. This is Dope Labs.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey friend, Hey banana breadhead.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, listen, I shared on the last episode, and y'all

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<v Speaker 3>out here calling name on the comment.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh y'all been roasting in the comment and I am

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<v Speaker 2>bid up. We said it was a safe space, but

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<v Speaker 2>my god.

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<v Speaker 1>Do we need to lay out the rules for that?

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<v Speaker 2>These comments really made me smile, but it also reignited

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<v Speaker 2>the kid's frustration in that moment, and so she's upset all.

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<v Speaker 1>Over again with tt not with y'all.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, banana breadhead, Let's get to today's topic.

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<v Speaker 1>What are we talking about today? Today, we're talking about lies.

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<v Speaker 2>America doesn't run on duncan It runs on lies. That's right,

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<v Speaker 2>who run the world?

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<v Speaker 1>Lies? People have been lying for a long time, though.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember an episode of The Flint Song where Fred

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<v Speaker 2>Flinstone lied to Wilma and said that he had lost

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<v Speaker 2>his wallet when really he had lost all his money

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<v Speaker 2>in a poker game. Yep, Who's gonna get bronis Sorosberger's propeller.

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<v Speaker 3>Even though people have been lying since the Flotstone days,

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<v Speaker 3>it does feel like lately things have been getting worse.

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<v Speaker 1>Lately.

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<v Speaker 2>I've been feeling like some of these lies that are

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<v Speaker 2>being told on the Internet are ratcheting up to a

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<v Speaker 2>whole new level that we have never seen before.

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<v Speaker 1>The stuff with Jesse.

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<v Speaker 2>Smullett, Oh gosh, I mean, we don't want that to

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<v Speaker 2>be true, Like we hope that he's not lying, but

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<v Speaker 2>if he is, but.

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<v Speaker 1>He's not the only one. Line.

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<v Speaker 3>If he is lying, he's not the only one because

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<v Speaker 3>at First, the Chicago Police Department said he paid these guys.

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<v Speaker 1>We have the check.

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<v Speaker 3>Then they released the image of the check and it

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<v Speaker 3>says on the memo line personal training. Huh, I would

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<v Speaker 3>pay trainers for personal training, right, and I would use.

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<v Speaker 1>A check to do that. Well, I don't use personal

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<v Speaker 1>checks neither. It's twenty nineteen exactly, you don't have venmo.

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<v Speaker 3>And then there's this whole messy triangle with Tristan Thompson

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<v Speaker 3>and Chloyd Kardashian and Jordan.

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<v Speaker 2>Woods right right, Jordan's said that she lied to Chloe

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<v Speaker 2>about what happened that night because she was trying to

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<v Speaker 2>protect her, and so she's saying it feels like more

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<v Speaker 2>of a nuanced lie.

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<v Speaker 1>Would you call that a Glinda the good Witch line

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<v Speaker 1>in that case? No, that's not a Glinda the good

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<v Speaker 1>Witch lie. Okay, that's a lie.

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<v Speaker 3>And so then the question is have we always been

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<v Speaker 3>lying this much and now the internet's just catching us

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<v Speaker 3>in our messy webs or.

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<v Speaker 2>Has the barometer for what's socially acceptable shifted?

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<v Speaker 3>It's like, now we're accepting it more. Everybody's lying. So

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<v Speaker 3>it's just like, huh, okay, and not.

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<v Speaker 2>Just accepting it, but like propping those folks up, exalting

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<v Speaker 2>those people that are telling those you should.

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<v Speaker 1>Be a congressman, you know what, you should be president?

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<v Speaker 3>Right, everybody's lying, and we're just like, oh, okay, sure, sure,

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<v Speaker 3>including you all.

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<v Speaker 2>We ask you guys on Instagram to let us know

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<v Speaker 2>what your best, worst, and biggest lies you've ever told.

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<v Speaker 1>Then a lot of you responded, I like this one.

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<v Speaker 3>Somebody said I'm getting food for me and my husband,

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<v Speaker 3>but they were really just ordering two meals for themselves.

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<v Speaker 2>Another person said, I told my parents I was still

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<v Speaker 2>a verse when I got married.

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<v Speaker 3>Somebody said that they've lied about having plans instead of

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<v Speaker 3>telling somebody they didn't just want to deal with their drama.

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<v Speaker 2>This person said the lie that they told was it

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<v Speaker 2>was one time I swear it's over.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh here's a lie biomission.

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<v Speaker 3>Somebody says I didn't precisely lie, but I just didn't

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<v Speaker 3>tell because the person didn't ask, right, So let's start.

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<v Speaker 2>The recitation with what we know, which is that everybody lies.

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<v Speaker 3>A twenty fifteen study published in the Dreurnal Act of

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<v Speaker 3>Psychological found that half of people between the ages of

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<v Speaker 3>eighteen and forty four, so most of y'all tell one

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<v Speaker 3>to five lies per day, but we also know that

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<v Speaker 3>when it comes to lying, there are varying degrees. Lying

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<v Speaker 3>is not a one size fits all activity.

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<v Speaker 1>So Zekiah, what type of liar do you think you are?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm prone to hyperbole, like similar to soldier boy, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>like I feel like if somebody has on the outfit.

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<v Speaker 3>You remember when we were all going out that time, yes,

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<v Speaker 3>and my friend didn't have she didn't have a clothes

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<v Speaker 3>to go out.

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<v Speaker 1>She was like, I don't know, can I wear this?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't even remember what it was. It was something

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<v Speaker 1>that was like a screen printed tea and just some

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<v Speaker 1>regular jeans, and I was like, you're gonna be edgy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep, I'm versed out laughing because I was just like,

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<v Speaker 2>oh my goodness.

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<v Speaker 1>And that was hyperbole.

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<v Speaker 3>Like the most accurate thing to say was you're going

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<v Speaker 3>to be dressed different from the other people at the bar,

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<v Speaker 3>right you.

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<v Speaker 2>Will stand out slightly because most people will not be

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<v Speaker 2>wearing that.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think it is okay, and to me it

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<v Speaker 1>is okay. Yeah, she wore, she wore and she was

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<v Speaker 1>just fine. What about you? What kind of lies do

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<v Speaker 1>you spind?

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like the types of lies that I tell

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<v Speaker 2>are always just never that big of a deal, Like

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<v Speaker 2>it's always like, yeah, it would be like somebody made

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<v Speaker 2>some type of food and I take a bite and

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<v Speaker 2>I don't like it, but I know that they worked

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<v Speaker 2>really hard on it. I was like, it's really good.

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<v Speaker 2>I really like it, and I will eat the whole thing.

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<v Speaker 2>And I feel like that is a good lie. I

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<v Speaker 2>think there's good lives and bad lives, and I think

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<v Speaker 2>I only tell good lies because I'm just trying to.

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<v Speaker 1>Make people feel good. Doesn't that count for something?

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<v Speaker 3>It counts for something, But now it makes me dumb.

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<v Speaker 3>I have to look you right into the pupil when

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<v Speaker 3>No tell me something he's a good cook. I've never

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<v Speaker 3>not be like, peel your eyelids back.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me see. Is it the truth? Is that how

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<v Speaker 1>you really feel? Did you really like it? But nah?

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<v Speaker 2>Man, I feel like some lies are okay. And I

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<v Speaker 2>think that when you're trying to make somebody feel good

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<v Speaker 2>about themselves that you should get a pass on that lie.

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<v Speaker 1>Hmmm, this is feeling very situational under which conditions?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, okay, maybe that's a good question for us to

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<v Speaker 2>answer today, Like is it ever okay to tell a lie.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And I want to know what's going on inside

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<v Speaker 3>our brains when we tell a lot?

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<v Speaker 2>And also like why do we lie? What's the motivation

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<v Speaker 2>behind it?

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<v Speaker 3>Are people born liars? Or do you become one based

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<v Speaker 3>on your surroundings and how you grow up? So like

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<v Speaker 3>nature verse nurture, So.

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<v Speaker 1>Like if your mama's a liar, is you going to be.

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<v Speaker 2>A whole family liar? They got bad blood? Lion blood,

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<v Speaker 2>that's that lion family down the street.

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<v Speaker 3>And then why do we choose to believe lies even

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<v Speaker 3>when we know that they're not true? She not answering

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<v Speaker 3>the phone and it ain't cut. She out with her girls. Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>so let's find out. Today's guest for our dissection is

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<v Speaker 3>Yamede House.

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<v Speaker 2>My name is Yamedae House and I am a nationally

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<v Speaker 2>board certified clinical counselor.

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<v Speaker 3>A Yamade started her career in school counseling, working with

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<v Speaker 3>at risk youth while earning her master's degree. During that time,

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<v Speaker 3>she did her practicum at a women's maximum security prison and.

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<v Speaker 2>It was women from all walks of life, like nurses

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<v Speaker 2>and it folks and you know, like people with master's

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<v Speaker 2>degrees and then people with no degrees, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's what inspired her to focus specifically on women's work.

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<v Speaker 3>And Yamede has been working with women on all sorts

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<v Speaker 3>of issues for over five years. And one of the

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<v Speaker 3>first things she told us is that there are no

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<v Speaker 3>accidental liars right. Lying is not as easy as you

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<v Speaker 3>would think.

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<v Speaker 2>Basically, the brain does more work to lie than it

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<v Speaker 2>does to tell the truth.

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<v Speaker 3>So let's say I ask you a question, for instance,

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<v Speaker 3>do you like the meal I prepare for you this evening,

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<v Speaker 3>and then you decide to.

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<v Speaker 1>Lie to me. I feel like you're targeting me.

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<v Speaker 3>This may be true, but a Yamade says it's a

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<v Speaker 3>fourth step process to tell a lie.

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<v Speaker 2>The first step is that I know the truth in

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<v Speaker 2>my head. Now, I told you that I love your cooking.

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<v Speaker 2>But for the sake of explanation, let's say that I

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<v Speaker 2>find the food a little bit SALTYA.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, what's the second step. Your brain's gotta decide if

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<v Speaker 1>it wants to tell the truth.

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<v Speaker 2>So, like I imagine saying it's a little salty, and

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<v Speaker 2>you get really mad and it makes me feel a

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<v Speaker 2>certain way, and I don't want to feel that way,

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<v Speaker 2>So I decide I'm gonna say something else, which brings

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<v Speaker 2>us to the third step.

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<v Speaker 1>Then you will have to create the new fact. So

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<v Speaker 1>your brain comes up with a new narrative that's actually

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<v Speaker 1>the opposite of how you feel about my food.

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<v Speaker 2>And finally I open my mouth and I say the lies,

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<v Speaker 2>something like, this is the best.

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<v Speaker 1>Meal I've ever had in my life. And don't forget

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<v Speaker 1>to turn it up a few octaves. You know how

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<v Speaker 1>you do, right, I have to become peek at you

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<v Speaker 1>my life according to you. That's exactly how so the

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<v Speaker 1>process takes.

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<v Speaker 2>Twice as much brain power as it does to tell

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<v Speaker 2>the truth. When I'm telling the truth, I have the

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<v Speaker 2>thought the food is salty, and I just say it.

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<v Speaker 1>The food is salty, but my food isn't. Okay, soakia

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<v Speaker 1>it was the best meal I ever had. Perfect.

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<v Speaker 3>But even after you tell the lie, your work's not over.

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<v Speaker 3>In fact, you're now creating even more work for your brain.

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<v Speaker 1>Line is stress. You have to keep up the lie.

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<v Speaker 2>You have to be able to remember and access all

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<v Speaker 2>the lies that you've told.

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<v Speaker 3>Basically, our mind just becomes a rolodex of lies, and

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<v Speaker 3>anytime someone asks you a new question, you have to

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<v Speaker 3>shuffle through all those cars to make sure your answer

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<v Speaker 3>is in line with all of the FIBs you've been

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<v Speaker 3>telling people.

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<v Speaker 1>What I want to know is is what's actually going

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<v Speaker 1>on inside of my brain when I'm telling this lie,

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<v Speaker 1>like which parts of my brain are being activated?

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<v Speaker 3>All right, let's zoom in for the purpose of today's lab.

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<v Speaker 3>We're gonna think of the brain as made up of

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<v Speaker 3>two main components, the white matter in the middle, and

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<v Speaker 3>then the gray matter that's all around it on the outside.

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<v Speaker 2>Gray matter is made up of nerve cells in your brain,

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<v Speaker 2>and nerve cells receive and process stimuli or signals from

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<v Speaker 2>outside or inside your body, and then they tell your

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<v Speaker 2>body how to react. For example, if you touch a

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<v Speaker 2>hot stove, the nerve cell will process that stove is

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<v Speaker 2>hot and direct your body to pull your finger away.

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<v Speaker 3>But the nerve cells don't work without being able to

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<v Speaker 3>communicate with each other. In order for them to talk

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<v Speaker 3>to each other, they have to send messages, and the

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<v Speaker 3>space through which they send those messages that's your white matter.

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<v Speaker 3>The white matter in your brain is sort of like

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<v Speaker 3>a rubber coating around a copper wire. It insulates the

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<v Speaker 3>gray matter and helps ensure the messages get where they

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<v Speaker 3>need to go. The more white matter you have, the

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<v Speaker 3>stronger the connections between those nerve cells and different parts

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<v Speaker 3>of your brain.

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<v Speaker 2>And as Yamade says, there's also a connection between white

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<v Speaker 2>matter and the brain and lying. There is some science

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<v Speaker 2>behind it that says that people who have more white

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<v Speaker 2>matter in their brain it's easier for them to lie.

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<v Speaker 2>That makes sense because lying is work, and white matter

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<v Speaker 2>makes it easier for your brain to do all the

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<v Speaker 2>mental gymnastics needed to lie.

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<v Speaker 3>And there are studies that say it's actually possible to

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<v Speaker 3>increase the amount of white matter in your brain, like

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<v Speaker 3>if you exercise more or learn a new skill. The

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<v Speaker 3>same is true for lying. The more your brain does it,

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<v Speaker 3>the more white matter you create, and the easier it gets.

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<v Speaker 3>So you just keep laying those bricks building a house

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<v Speaker 3>of lies.

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<v Speaker 2>So you keep practicing, and pretty soon you'll be what

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<v Speaker 2>Kobe Bryant is to basketball, the black Mamba of liars.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, this is like a new first date question. So

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<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna be saying, I'm gonna ask people like, do

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<v Speaker 3>you know your white matter percentage?

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<v Speaker 1>Right? Have you? When was your last MRI skin? Right?

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<v Speaker 2>If it's so much work, then why do we lie?

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<v Speaker 2>Yamade says, there's two main reasons why we're lying to

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<v Speaker 2>each other. When we talk about it from a psychological standpoint,

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<v Speaker 2>it's about power and control.

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<v Speaker 3>You're either controlling what you want people to feel or do,

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<v Speaker 3>or you're trying to gain some power as it relates

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<v Speaker 3>to what you can and can't attain.

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<v Speaker 1>Like another meal at my house. I'm always down for

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<v Speaker 1>another meal at your house.

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<v Speaker 2>So when even if it's something minute, like when somebody says, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>how are you, when you're saying, oh, I'm fine, things

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<v Speaker 2>are good and things are terrible, for instance, you're controlling

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<v Speaker 2>the situation. You're trying to control the conversation so people

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<v Speaker 2>don't dig any deeper.

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<v Speaker 1>I knew it all this time.

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<v Speaker 3>You've been telling me my outfit looks good or you

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<v Speaker 3>like my food, and you've been controlling me while everybody

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<v Speaker 3>thinks that you're the good guy.

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<v Speaker 2>But what about power though? How do people use lying

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<v Speaker 2>as a power move? When do you think about power

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<v Speaker 2>and lying? Let's take the best example.

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<v Speaker 1>We have the president.

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<v Speaker 3>He is the most powerful man in the world, and

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<v Speaker 3>he continues to lie about winning the popular vote, about

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<v Speaker 3>how many people showed up to his inauguration, or you

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<v Speaker 3>know Russia, Why because if he tells the.

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<v Speaker 2>Truth, the truth that he be lying, then in the

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<v Speaker 2>simplest form, his power may diminish because he's no longer

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<v Speaker 2>an authority.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the reason why he's so like gung ho about

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<v Speaker 2>this whole wall thing. And he told everyone that he

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<v Speaker 2>was going to build this wall and that Mexico was

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<v Speaker 2>going to pay for it. And if he doesn't build

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<v Speaker 2>this wall, then in his mind he feels like he's

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<v Speaker 2>going to lose some type of power. At this point,

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<v Speaker 2>I think he'll say that anything is a wall, just

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<v Speaker 2>to maintain that it could be a bed of roses,

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<v Speaker 2>and he'll be like, my wall is working.

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<v Speaker 3>So now we understand the motivation behind lying and what's

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<v Speaker 3>going on in your brain when you do lie. When

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<v Speaker 3>we come back from the break, we're going to talk

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<v Speaker 3>about the more extreme side of lying, the kind of

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<v Speaker 3>line that can affect the course of your life or

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<v Speaker 3>land you in jail. Stay tuned, so we're back and

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<v Speaker 3>ready to talk about the more extreme side of line.

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<v Speaker 3>So everybody lies, and you know, for some people is

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<v Speaker 3>more extreme than for others. But for a smaller subset

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<v Speaker 3>of people, lying is a symptom of something bigger.

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<v Speaker 2>There are some diagnoses where lying is a symptom or

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<v Speaker 2>a behavior of the diagnoses. These diagnoses that a Yamide

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<v Speaker 2>is talking about fall under the category of personality disorders.

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<v Speaker 2>A personalorder is a deeply ingrained pattern of behavior that

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<v Speaker 2>makes it really hard for people to have long term

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<v Speaker 2>relationships or function in society. The most common personality disorders

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<v Speaker 2>include antisocial personality disorder, which is also called sociopathy, and narcissism.

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<v Speaker 2>The difference between the narcissist and someone who was a sociopath.

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<v Speaker 2>The narcissist wants to be grand. When you think about it,

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<v Speaker 2>like you are trying. You are so insecure, you feel

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<v Speaker 2>so bad about who you are and what you do

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<v Speaker 2>or do not have, and you are trying to create

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<v Speaker 2>this grander sense of self. So for narcissists, it's really

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<v Speaker 2>about making yourself look really popping in the public eye,

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<v Speaker 2>So making yourself look like you diddy when you're really not.

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<v Speaker 1>Like Billy McFarland from The Fire Festival.

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<v Speaker 2>When you watch the documentary, like all of a sudden,

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<v Speaker 2>he started buying like Mazaratis, and he wanted to be

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<v Speaker 2>a celebrity, and he wanted to rub elbows and he

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<v Speaker 2>had all.

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<v Speaker 1>This prestige, And this is just a disclaimer.

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<v Speaker 2>Yamaday is not Billy's counselor, and we're not diagnosing him

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<v Speaker 2>with a personality disorder.

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<v Speaker 1>We're not those kind of doctors.

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<v Speaker 3>When I saw the sheer levels of I'm just trying

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<v Speaker 3>to get this money, I don't care about y'all lies that.

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<v Speaker 1>Were being told exactly, I could not believe it.

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<v Speaker 2>How can you sit there and tell these bold face

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<v Speaker 2>lies when you have taken tens of thousands of dollars

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<v Speaker 2>from people and you know for a fact that this

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<v Speaker 2>thing ain't happening, and you're still like, cute, up the music, turn.

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<v Speaker 1>It up, loud, turn the music up. I'm like, Broy,

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<v Speaker 1>you can't play the music over that. There's no ten

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<v Speaker 1>for these people. There's no villain. You gave me a

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<v Speaker 1>cheese sandwich and I paid ten thousand dollars to come here.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, I was thinking about the Ballou challenge, right when

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<v Speaker 3>Balow got caught posting a bunch of lies on Instagram,

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<v Speaker 3>trying to stunt in the streets. So did you see

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<v Speaker 3>where they're showing people in this other I can't remember

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<v Speaker 3>what country it is, but like they're paying to go

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<v Speaker 3>and take pictures of themselves on private jets, but they

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<v Speaker 3>never leave the runway, like just to look like I'm

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<v Speaker 3>out here.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, man, And that is typical narcissistic behavior. But for sociopaths,

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<v Speaker 1>the motivation is a little bit different.

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<v Speaker 2>Our sociopaths are going to be people who will lie

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<v Speaker 2>because they have no conscience, so they don't care how

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<v Speaker 2>it makes you feel, because at the end of the day,

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<v Speaker 2>it's about self preservation. Sociopaths don't have empathy, and that's

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<v Speaker 2>the ability to stand in someone else's shoes and understand

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<v Speaker 2>how they feel. This means they can lie without feeling

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<v Speaker 2>any of the guilt or remorse that many people experience.

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<v Speaker 1>Still, sociopaths can be really hard to spot. So basically,

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<v Speaker 1>people who are sociopaths tend to be extremely charismatic. They

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<v Speaker 1>know how they're supposed to act. Lots of times, sociopaths

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<v Speaker 1>have the inability to create to create meaningful relationships, so

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<v Speaker 1>they might be a really nice person, but nine times

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<v Speaker 1>out of time they don't have any friends. So you

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<v Speaker 1>may be thinking, these are such terrible people. We see

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<v Speaker 1>you over there judging, But.

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<v Speaker 3>From a scientific perspective, there's some important content to think about.

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<v Speaker 3>That actually makes these people a pretty fascinating group.

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<v Speaker 2>Biology does not make any mistakes. There are sociopaths for

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<v Speaker 2>a reason. Sociopaths are always going to make sure that

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<v Speaker 2>they will survive, and they.

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<v Speaker 3>Will when it's the zombie apocalypse. I need somebody who's

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<v Speaker 3>gonna save the human race. Not out here trying to

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<v Speaker 3>save a pregnant soundra Bullock right from the cus.

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<v Speaker 1>Like bird box, right exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>We don't need any tender ronies. It's time for a

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<v Speaker 3>rough ride up right right. So regardless of why someone

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<v Speaker 3>is lying, what about the people that are receiving the lies?

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<v Speaker 3>What makes us continue to believe lies? Like even though

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<v Speaker 3>we know you didn't get a six pack from that

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<v Speaker 3>flat tummy tee, We're still gonna.

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<v Speaker 1>Like your posts. I'm gonna come back and see what

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<v Speaker 1>you're posting tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 2>Because it costs more to not believe it. Lots of times,

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<v Speaker 2>we live in this space called emotional mind.

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<v Speaker 1>In the emotional mind, your feelings outweigh everything else, right,

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<v Speaker 1>So the facts don't matter.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you only care about what makes you feel good.

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<v Speaker 3>Does that sound familiar to any of you?

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<v Speaker 2>That's the biggest part of therapy is for some folks

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<v Speaker 2>is just having them believe the truth. And so when

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<v Speaker 2>we say that, we're really talking about believing and connecting

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<v Speaker 2>with what we see and what we hear and all

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<v Speaker 2>of our senses, and not necessarily with the emotion. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know if this is emotional mind, but this is

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<v Speaker 2>a time when t T told a partial lot, not

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<v Speaker 2>really a lot. She just said some things, and my

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<v Speaker 2>emotional mind took over. I was out to dinner with

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<v Speaker 2>friends and you told me, and you were like, come,

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<v Speaker 2>I need you to come home now.

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<v Speaker 1>I have an emergency. These are the words that I said.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a key on the phone.

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<v Speaker 2>I said, Hey, I need you to meet me at

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<v Speaker 2>your house, like right now, And she said, is everything okay?

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<v Speaker 2>And I said, I'm not sure. Can you please just

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<v Speaker 2>come here now? I really, I really need to talk

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<v Speaker 2>to you.

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<v Speaker 3>In my mind, I was like, something's happened. TT killed

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<v Speaker 3>a man and we will have to hide the body.

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<v Speaker 3>And naturally I'm the person you call for.

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<v Speaker 2>That, right So, But what's the kid didn't know is

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<v Speaker 2>that on the other side of that phone, I was

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<v Speaker 2>with our good friend Brittany, and Brittany wanted to surprise

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<v Speaker 2>the kid because the kid was getting a really big

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<v Speaker 2>award that weekend, and so she drove up. She messaged

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<v Speaker 2>me and said, hey, I want to surprise the Kia,

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<v Speaker 2>but I need you to get her to come home.

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<v Speaker 2>And so that was what TG's plan was, to get

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<v Speaker 2>me to come home. I said, what do you want

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<v Speaker 2>me to say? And Brittany says, say anything. Tell her

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<v Speaker 2>it's an emergency. And I said, well, she's gonna get worried.

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<v Speaker 2>And Brittany said, and I quote, she calls me with

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<v Speaker 2>non emergency emergencies all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>It'll be okay. So I called the kid and told

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<v Speaker 1>her it's an emergency.

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<v Speaker 2>And then she came flying down the road I did,

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<v Speaker 2>and pulls up to her house and walks up to

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<v Speaker 2>me nervous.

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<v Speaker 1>I can see it in her face.

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<v Speaker 3>I can't tell you the things that ran through my head. Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>A knife in.

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<v Speaker 1>My in my console, Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 3>And I was like, what if she brought someone to

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<v Speaker 3>the house and she wants me to kill them on

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<v Speaker 3>the spot.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the type of friend. As a kid, She's

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<v Speaker 2>ready to kill a man at any time. Okay, So

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<v Speaker 2>run up, get done up. That's the motto.

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<v Speaker 1>So that was quite a bit. That was a lot

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<v Speaker 1>for me. You know Zakia like this is not my forte.

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<v Speaker 1>I was just like yes, more socious tell us all

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<v Speaker 1>about it.

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<v Speaker 3>The thing that's scary to me is that people's understanding

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<v Speaker 3>the fact is always changing, and that's not how we operate.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, no, not a scientists, fact is fact. As scientists,

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<v Speaker 2>it's our job to uncover new facts. We don't just

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<v Speaker 2>make stuff up. We don't just pull it out of nowhere.

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<v Speaker 2>It is rooted in a lot of other facts.

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<v Speaker 3>I do feel like facts used to It used to

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<v Speaker 3>be like that's a fact, it's undisputable. Like right now

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<v Speaker 3>we're both wearing black shirts which happened to be from

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<v Speaker 3>Dope Blaps podcast dot com. Go and get one. But

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<v Speaker 3>now I feel like there's somebody, there's a troll in

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<v Speaker 3>the room waiting to say, actually that's just a dark.

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<v Speaker 2>Gray or likes it is ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like people out here are not testing anything and

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<v Speaker 3>just saying this is the truth.

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<v Speaker 1>This is my truth. So it's the truth. It's like

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<v Speaker 1>no drugs.

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<v Speaker 2>Through the through the border, huh, based on what right?

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<v Speaker 1>What evidence do you have? You have no evidence. You

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<v Speaker 1>just heard it from your neighbor.

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<v Speaker 3>You s hearing this caravans crossing the border at this

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<v Speaker 3>spot every day, all right, So that means every day

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<v Speaker 3>I should be able to go to this border and

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<v Speaker 3>there should be caravans, no excuse, because if that is

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<v Speaker 3>the fact, it should be reproducible. I should be able

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<v Speaker 3>to see it within that time scale that you told

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<v Speaker 3>me over and over and over and over again. And

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<v Speaker 3>that's how you establish a fact. It is something that

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<v Speaker 3>is unwavering under those conditions. Being a scientist has gotten

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<v Speaker 3>me in so much trouble in social settings because I

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<v Speaker 3>am trained for someone to say, oh, it's a lovely

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<v Speaker 3>day outside.

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<v Speaker 1>What's lovely? Is it just to you everywhere? Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>So that means that it's lovely to you because you

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<v Speaker 2>prefer sunshine, But I prefer sunshine and rainbow. So to me,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not a lovely day.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just to day. It's just a day.

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<v Speaker 3>And so when people say, oh, o, Zakia, don't say

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<v Speaker 3>it like that. Hey, I'm gonna say it plain all right,

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<v Speaker 3>like that's it. I'm just gonna tell you straight up.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't like that people like, oh, this is so nice,

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<v Speaker 3>isn't it. I'm not having a good time.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm ready to go home. I'm ready to go home.

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<v Speaker 3>People say I can't wait to see you, Well, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>only about eighty percent excited about seeing you, and sometimes

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<v Speaker 3>people don't want that extra information.

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<v Speaker 1>Ruthless, no.

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<v Speaker 2>So one thing that we need to mention is that

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<v Speaker 2>after every single episode, on the Friday after the episode,

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<v Speaker 2>this day after, we post a cheat sheet.

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<v Speaker 3>I know some of y'all made it through school, but

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<v Speaker 3>you probably didn't study like you were supposed to.

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<v Speaker 2>This is basically she's talking about, I'm looking at yes, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't study enough, but continue.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a visual like cliff notes, but a visual.

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<v Speaker 3>So we take the major scientific content from the episode

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<v Speaker 3>and represent.

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<v Speaker 1>It visually for you guys to see.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes and Zakiya she's being modest, she illustrates the whole thing,

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<v Speaker 2>and she is very very good.

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<v Speaker 1>So you guys have to go back and see.

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<v Speaker 2>It's on our Instagram, it's on our website, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>on our Facebook page. So go and take a look

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<v Speaker 2>at the cheat sheet at Dope lazpodcast dot com.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right.

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<v Speaker 2>Our producer is Jenny Rattle at MAAST. Mixing and sound

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<v Speaker 2>design is by Hannes Brown.

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<v Speaker 1>Our consulting producers are Rayka Murphy and Graham Griffith.

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<v Speaker 2>Our original theme music is by Taka Yasuzawa and Alex Sugiura.

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<v Speaker 2>Additional music by Elijah Lex Harvey.

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<v Speaker 3>Special thanks to our guest expert a Yamaday House. To

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<v Speaker 3>learn more about her practice, Sabano, visit sabano dot com.

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<v Speaker 3>is on Twitter at Doctor Underscore T s H O

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<v Speaker 3>Showdea and Zekiah Wattley. When I was a kid, I

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<v Speaker 3>couldn't say the liar. I had to say, you're telling

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<v Speaker 3>a story.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so could you say liar? We can say we

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<v Speaker 1>can say liar.

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<v Speaker 3>I want I'm putting a poll on Instagram. I want

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<v Speaker 3>to know who could say liar and who had to

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<v Speaker 3>say storyteller.

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<v Speaker 1>I couldn't say shut up.

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<v Speaker 3>Ooh, I couldn't say but we had to say hind parts.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah,