Speaker 1: What's the last lie you told? I generally don't lie.
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm an honest person. So so that lie?
Speaker 1: What lie that you just told?
Speaker 2: I feel like if you want to call trying to
Speaker 2: make someone happy a lie, then.
Speaker 1: Then yes, you're lying. It's a lie. Regardless of your intention,
Speaker 1: you're lying. I don't. I don't think that's how that works.
Speaker 1: I can tell when you're lying. You always go.
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, it looks good, Yeah, come on, it'll be fine.
Speaker 3: I think you should wear that outfit. And so whenever
Speaker 3: you start climbing those octaves, I know you're lying.
Speaker 2: To be kind, I think that there are good lies
Speaker 2: and there are bad lies, and I think I tell
Speaker 2: nothing but good lies.
Speaker 1: Glinda the good Witch, still a witch. I'm t T
Speaker 1: and I'm Zachiah.
Speaker 2: And from Spotify Studios. This is Dope Labs.
Speaker 1: Hey friend, Hey banana breadhead.
Speaker 3: Okay, listen, I shared on the last episode, and y'all
Speaker 3: out here calling name on the comment.
Speaker 2: Oh y'all been roasting in the comment and I am
Speaker 2: bid up. We said it was a safe space, but
Speaker 2: my god.
Speaker 1: Do we need to lay out the rules for that?
Speaker 2: These comments really made me smile, but it also reignited
Speaker 2: the kid's frustration in that moment, and so she's upset all.
Speaker 1: Over again with tt not with y'all.
Speaker 2: Okay, banana breadhead, Let's get to today's topic.
Speaker 1: What are we talking about today? Today, we're talking about lies.
Speaker 2: America doesn't run on duncan It runs on lies. That's right,
Speaker 2: who run the world?
Speaker 1: Lies? People have been lying for a long time, though.
Speaker 2: I remember an episode of The Flint Song where Fred
Speaker 2: Flinstone lied to Wilma and said that he had lost
Speaker 2: his wallet when really he had lost all his money
Speaker 2: in a poker game. Yep, Who's gonna get bronis Sorosberger's propeller.
Speaker 3: Even though people have been lying since the Flotstone days,
Speaker 3: it does feel like lately things have been getting worse.
Speaker 1: Lately.
Speaker 2: I've been feeling like some of these lies that are
Speaker 2: being told on the Internet are ratcheting up to a
Speaker 2: whole new level that we have never seen before.
Speaker 1: The stuff with Jesse.
Speaker 2: Smullett, Oh gosh, I mean, we don't want that to
Speaker 2: be true, Like we hope that he's not lying, but
Speaker 2: if he is, but.
Speaker 1: He's not the only one. Line.
Speaker 3: If he is lying, he's not the only one because
Speaker 3: at First, the Chicago Police Department said he paid these guys.
Speaker 1: We have the check.
Speaker 3: Then they released the image of the check and it
Speaker 3: says on the memo line personal training. Huh, I would
Speaker 3: pay trainers for personal training, right, and I would use.
Speaker 1: A check to do that. Well, I don't use personal
Speaker 1: checks neither. It's twenty nineteen exactly, you don't have venmo.
Speaker 3: And then there's this whole messy triangle with Tristan Thompson
Speaker 3: and Chloyd Kardashian and Jordan.
Speaker 2: Woods right right, Jordan's said that she lied to Chloe
Speaker 2: about what happened that night because she was trying to
Speaker 2: protect her, and so she's saying it feels like more
Speaker 2: of a nuanced lie.
Speaker 1: Would you call that a Glinda the good Witch line
Speaker 1: in that case? No, that's not a Glinda the good
Speaker 1: Witch lie. Okay, that's a lie.
Speaker 3: And so then the question is have we always been
Speaker 3: lying this much and now the internet's just catching us
Speaker 3: in our messy webs or.
Speaker 2: Has the barometer for what's socially acceptable shifted?
Speaker 3: It's like, now we're accepting it more. Everybody's lying. So
Speaker 3: it's just like, huh, okay, and not.
Speaker 2: Just accepting it, but like propping those folks up, exalting
Speaker 2: those people that are telling those you should.
Speaker 1: Be a congressman, you know what, you should be president?
Speaker 3: Right, everybody's lying, and we're just like, oh, okay, sure, sure,
Speaker 3: including you all.
Speaker 2: We ask you guys on Instagram to let us know
Speaker 2: what your best, worst, and biggest lies you've ever told.
Speaker 1: Then a lot of you responded, I like this one.
Speaker 3: Somebody said I'm getting food for me and my husband,
Speaker 3: but they were really just ordering two meals for themselves.
Speaker 2: Another person said, I told my parents I was still
Speaker 2: a verse when I got married.
Speaker 3: Somebody said that they've lied about having plans instead of
Speaker 3: telling somebody they didn't just want to deal with their drama.
Speaker 2: This person said the lie that they told was it
Speaker 2: was one time I swear it's over.
Speaker 1: Oh here's a lie biomission.
Speaker 3: Somebody says I didn't precisely lie, but I just didn't
Speaker 3: tell because the person didn't ask, right, So let's start.
Speaker 2: The recitation with what we know, which is that everybody lies.
Speaker 3: A twenty fifteen study published in the Dreurnal Act of
Speaker 3: Psychological found that half of people between the ages of
Speaker 3: eighteen and forty four, so most of y'all tell one
Speaker 3: to five lies per day, but we also know that
Speaker 3: when it comes to lying, there are varying degrees. Lying
Speaker 3: is not a one size fits all activity.
Speaker 1: So Zekiah, what type of liar do you think you are?
Speaker 3: I'm prone to hyperbole, like similar to soldier boy, you know,
Speaker 3: like I feel like if somebody has on the outfit.
Speaker 3: You remember when we were all going out that time, yes,
Speaker 3: and my friend didn't have she didn't have a clothes
Speaker 3: to go out.
Speaker 1: She was like, I don't know, can I wear this?
Speaker 1: I don't even remember what it was. It was something
Speaker 1: that was like a screen printed tea and just some
Speaker 1: regular jeans, and I was like, you're gonna be edgy.
Speaker 2: Yep, I'm versed out laughing because I was just like,
Speaker 2: oh my goodness.
Speaker 1: And that was hyperbole.
Speaker 3: Like the most accurate thing to say was you're going
Speaker 3: to be dressed different from the other people at the bar,
Speaker 3: right you.
Speaker 2: Will stand out slightly because most people will not be
Speaker 2: wearing that.
Speaker 1: But I think it is okay, and to me it
Speaker 1: is okay. Yeah, she wore, she wore and she was
Speaker 1: just fine. What about you? What kind of lies do
Speaker 1: you spind?
Speaker 2: I feel like the types of lies that I tell
Speaker 2: are always just never that big of a deal, Like
Speaker 2: it's always like, yeah, it would be like somebody made
Speaker 2: some type of food and I take a bite and
Speaker 2: I don't like it, but I know that they worked
Speaker 2: really hard on it. I was like, it's really good.
Speaker 2: I really like it, and I will eat the whole thing.
Speaker 2: And I feel like that is a good lie. I
Speaker 2: think there's good lives and bad lives, and I think
Speaker 2: I only tell good lies because I'm just trying to.
Speaker 1: Make people feel good. Doesn't that count for something?
Speaker 3: It counts for something, But now it makes me dumb.
Speaker 3: I have to look you right into the pupil when
Speaker 3: No tell me something he's a good cook. I've never
Speaker 3: not be like, peel your eyelids back.
Speaker 1: Let me see. Is it the truth? Is that how
Speaker 1: you really feel? Did you really like it? But nah?
Speaker 2: Man, I feel like some lies are okay. And I
Speaker 2: think that when you're trying to make somebody feel good
Speaker 2: about themselves that you should get a pass on that lie.
Speaker 1: Hmmm, this is feeling very situational under which conditions?
Speaker 2: Well, okay, maybe that's a good question for us to
Speaker 2: answer today, Like is it ever okay to tell a lie.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I want to know what's going on inside
Speaker 3: our brains when we tell a lot?
Speaker 2: And also like why do we lie? What's the motivation
Speaker 2: behind it?
Speaker 3: Are people born liars? Or do you become one based
Speaker 3: on your surroundings and how you grow up? So like
Speaker 3: nature verse nurture, So.
Speaker 1: Like if your mama's a liar, is you going to be.
Speaker 2: A whole family liar? They got bad blood? Lion blood,
Speaker 2: that's that lion family down the street.
Speaker 3: And then why do we choose to believe lies even
Speaker 3: when we know that they're not true? She not answering
Speaker 3: the phone and it ain't cut. She out with her girls. Okay,
Speaker 3: so let's find out. Today's guest for our dissection is
Speaker 3: Yamede House.
Speaker 2: My name is Yamedae House and I am a nationally
Speaker 2: board certified clinical counselor.
Speaker 3: A Yamade started her career in school counseling, working with
Speaker 3: at risk youth while earning her master's degree. During that time,
Speaker 3: she did her practicum at a women's maximum security prison and.
Speaker 2: It was women from all walks of life, like nurses
Speaker 2: and it folks and you know, like people with master's
Speaker 2: degrees and then people with no degrees, you know.
Speaker 3: And that's what inspired her to focus specifically on women's work.
Speaker 3: And Yamede has been working with women on all sorts
Speaker 3: of issues for over five years. And one of the
Speaker 3: first things she told us is that there are no
Speaker 3: accidental liars right. Lying is not as easy as you
Speaker 3: would think.
Speaker 2: Basically, the brain does more work to lie than it
Speaker 2: does to tell the truth.
Speaker 3: So let's say I ask you a question, for instance,
Speaker 3: do you like the meal I prepare for you this evening,
Speaker 3: and then you decide to.
Speaker 1: Lie to me. I feel like you're targeting me.
Speaker 3: This may be true, but a Yamade says it's a
Speaker 3: fourth step process to tell a lie.
Speaker 2: The first step is that I know the truth in
Speaker 2: my head. Now, I told you that I love your cooking.
Speaker 2: But for the sake of explanation, let's say that I
Speaker 2: find the food a little bit SALTYA.
Speaker 1: Okay, what's the second step. Your brain's gotta decide if
Speaker 1: it wants to tell the truth.
Speaker 2: So, like I imagine saying it's a little salty, and
Speaker 2: you get really mad and it makes me feel a
Speaker 2: certain way, and I don't want to feel that way,
Speaker 2: So I decide I'm gonna say something else, which brings
Speaker 2: us to the third step.
Speaker 1: Then you will have to create the new fact. So
Speaker 1: your brain comes up with a new narrative that's actually
Speaker 1: the opposite of how you feel about my food.
Speaker 2: And finally I open my mouth and I say the lies,
Speaker 2: something like, this is the best.
Speaker 1: Meal I've ever had in my life. And don't forget
Speaker 1: to turn it up a few octaves. You know how
Speaker 1: you do, right, I have to become peek at you
Speaker 1: my life according to you. That's exactly how so the
Speaker 1: process takes.
Speaker 2: Twice as much brain power as it does to tell
Speaker 2: the truth. When I'm telling the truth, I have the
Speaker 2: thought the food is salty, and I just say it.
Speaker 1: The food is salty, but my food isn't. Okay, soakia
Speaker 1: it was the best meal I ever had. Perfect.
Speaker 3: But even after you tell the lie, your work's not over.
Speaker 3: In fact, you're now creating even more work for your brain.
Speaker 1: Line is stress. You have to keep up the lie.
Speaker 2: You have to be able to remember and access all
Speaker 2: the lies that you've told.
Speaker 3: Basically, our mind just becomes a rolodex of lies, and
Speaker 3: anytime someone asks you a new question, you have to
Speaker 3: shuffle through all those cars to make sure your answer
Speaker 3: is in line with all of the FIBs you've been
Speaker 3: telling people.
Speaker 1: What I want to know is is what's actually going
Speaker 1: on inside of my brain when I'm telling this lie,
Speaker 1: like which parts of my brain are being activated?
Speaker 3: All right, let's zoom in for the purpose of today's lab.
Speaker 3: We're gonna think of the brain as made up of
Speaker 3: two main components, the white matter in the middle, and
Speaker 3: then the gray matter that's all around it on the outside.
Speaker 2: Gray matter is made up of nerve cells in your brain,
Speaker 2: and nerve cells receive and process stimuli or signals from
Speaker 2: outside or inside your body, and then they tell your
Speaker 2: body how to react. For example, if you touch a
Speaker 2: hot stove, the nerve cell will process that stove is
Speaker 2: hot and direct your body to pull your finger away.
Speaker 3: But the nerve cells don't work without being able to
Speaker 3: communicate with each other. In order for them to talk
Speaker 3: to each other, they have to send messages, and the
Speaker 3: space through which they send those messages that's your white matter.
Speaker 3: The white matter in your brain is sort of like
Speaker 3: a rubber coating around a copper wire. It insulates the
Speaker 3: gray matter and helps ensure the messages get where they
Speaker 3: need to go. The more white matter you have, the
Speaker 3: stronger the connections between those nerve cells and different parts
Speaker 3: of your brain.
Speaker 2: And as Yamade says, there's also a connection between white
Speaker 2: matter and the brain and lying. There is some science
Speaker 2: behind it that says that people who have more white
Speaker 2: matter in their brain it's easier for them to lie.
Speaker 2: That makes sense because lying is work, and white matter
Speaker 2: makes it easier for your brain to do all the
Speaker 2: mental gymnastics needed to lie.
Speaker 3: And there are studies that say it's actually possible to
Speaker 3: increase the amount of white matter in your brain, like
Speaker 3: if you exercise more or learn a new skill. The
Speaker 3: same is true for lying. The more your brain does it,
Speaker 3: the more white matter you create, and the easier it gets.
Speaker 3: So you just keep laying those bricks building a house
Speaker 3: of lies.
Speaker 2: So you keep practicing, and pretty soon you'll be what
Speaker 2: Kobe Bryant is to basketball, the black Mamba of liars.
Speaker 3: Right, this is like a new first date question. So
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be saying, I'm gonna ask people like, do
Speaker 3: you know your white matter percentage?
Speaker 1: Right? Have you? When was your last MRI skin? Right?
Speaker 2: If it's so much work, then why do we lie?
Speaker 2: Yamade says, there's two main reasons why we're lying to
Speaker 2: each other. When we talk about it from a psychological standpoint,
Speaker 2: it's about power and control.
Speaker 3: You're either controlling what you want people to feel or do,
Speaker 3: or you're trying to gain some power as it relates
Speaker 3: to what you can and can't attain.
Speaker 1: Like another meal at my house. I'm always down for
Speaker 1: another meal at your house.
Speaker 2: So when even if it's something minute, like when somebody says, hey,
Speaker 2: how are you, when you're saying, oh, I'm fine, things
Speaker 2: are good and things are terrible, for instance, you're controlling
Speaker 2: the situation. You're trying to control the conversation so people
Speaker 2: don't dig any deeper.
Speaker 1: I knew it all this time.
Speaker 3: You've been telling me my outfit looks good or you
Speaker 3: like my food, and you've been controlling me while everybody
Speaker 3: thinks that you're the good guy.
Speaker 2: But what about power though? How do people use lying
Speaker 2: as a power move? When do you think about power
Speaker 2: and lying? Let's take the best example.
Speaker 1: We have the president.
Speaker 3: He is the most powerful man in the world, and
Speaker 3: he continues to lie about winning the popular vote, about
Speaker 3: how many people showed up to his inauguration, or you
Speaker 3: know Russia, Why because if he tells the.
Speaker 2: Truth, the truth that he be lying, then in the
Speaker 2: simplest form, his power may diminish because he's no longer
Speaker 2: an authority.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: That's the reason why he's so like gung ho about
Speaker 2: this whole wall thing. And he told everyone that he
Speaker 2: was going to build this wall and that Mexico was
Speaker 2: going to pay for it. And if he doesn't build
Speaker 2: this wall, then in his mind he feels like he's
Speaker 2: going to lose some type of power. At this point,
Speaker 2: I think he'll say that anything is a wall, just
Speaker 2: to maintain that it could be a bed of roses,
Speaker 2: and he'll be like, my wall is working.
Speaker 3: So now we understand the motivation behind lying and what's
Speaker 3: going on in your brain when you do lie. When
Speaker 3: we come back from the break, we're going to talk
Speaker 3: about the more extreme side of lying, the kind of
Speaker 3: line that can affect the course of your life or
Speaker 3: land you in jail. Stay tuned, so we're back and
Speaker 3: ready to talk about the more extreme side of line.
Speaker 3: So everybody lies, and you know, for some people is
Speaker 3: more extreme than for others. But for a smaller subset
Speaker 3: of people, lying is a symptom of something bigger.
Speaker 2: There are some diagnoses where lying is a symptom or
Speaker 2: a behavior of the diagnoses. These diagnoses that a Yamide
Speaker 2: is talking about fall under the category of personality disorders.
Speaker 2: A personalorder is a deeply ingrained pattern of behavior that
Speaker 2: makes it really hard for people to have long term
Speaker 2: relationships or function in society. The most common personality disorders
Speaker 2: include antisocial personality disorder, which is also called sociopathy, and narcissism.
Speaker 2: The difference between the narcissist and someone who was a sociopath.
Speaker 2: The narcissist wants to be grand. When you think about it,
Speaker 2: like you are trying. You are so insecure, you feel
Speaker 2: so bad about who you are and what you do
Speaker 2: or do not have, and you are trying to create
Speaker 2: this grander sense of self. So for narcissists, it's really
Speaker 2: about making yourself look really popping in the public eye,
Speaker 2: So making yourself look like you diddy when you're really not.
Speaker 1: Like Billy McFarland from The Fire Festival.
Speaker 2: When you watch the documentary, like all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: he started buying like Mazaratis, and he wanted to be
Speaker 2: a celebrity, and he wanted to rub elbows and he
Speaker 2: had all.
Speaker 1: This prestige, And this is just a disclaimer.
Speaker 2: Yamaday is not Billy's counselor, and we're not diagnosing him
Speaker 2: with a personality disorder.
Speaker 1: We're not those kind of doctors.
Speaker 3: When I saw the sheer levels of I'm just trying
Speaker 3: to get this money, I don't care about y'all lies that.
Speaker 1: Were being told exactly, I could not believe it.
Speaker 2: How can you sit there and tell these bold face
Speaker 2: lies when you have taken tens of thousands of dollars
Speaker 2: from people and you know for a fact that this
Speaker 2: thing ain't happening, and you're still like, cute, up the music, turn.
Speaker 1: It up, loud, turn the music up. I'm like, Broy,
Speaker 1: you can't play the music over that. There's no ten
Speaker 1: for these people. There's no villain. You gave me a
Speaker 1: cheese sandwich and I paid ten thousand dollars to come here.
Speaker 3: Right, I was thinking about the Ballou challenge, right when
Speaker 3: Balow got caught posting a bunch of lies on Instagram,
Speaker 3: trying to stunt in the streets. So did you see
Speaker 3: where they're showing people in this other I can't remember
Speaker 3: what country it is, but like they're paying to go
Speaker 3: and take pictures of themselves on private jets, but they
Speaker 3: never leave the runway, like just to look like I'm
Speaker 3: out here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, And that is typical narcissistic behavior. But for sociopaths,
Speaker 1: the motivation is a little bit different.
Speaker 2: Our sociopaths are going to be people who will lie
Speaker 2: because they have no conscience, so they don't care how
Speaker 2: it makes you feel, because at the end of the day,
Speaker 2: it's about self preservation. Sociopaths don't have empathy, and that's
Speaker 2: the ability to stand in someone else's shoes and understand
Speaker 2: how they feel. This means they can lie without feeling
Speaker 2: any of the guilt or remorse that many people experience.
Speaker 1: Still, sociopaths can be really hard to spot. So basically,
Speaker 1: people who are sociopaths tend to be extremely charismatic. They
Speaker 1: know how they're supposed to act. Lots of times, sociopaths
Speaker 1: have the inability to create to create meaningful relationships, so
Speaker 1: they might be a really nice person, but nine times
Speaker 1: out of time they don't have any friends. So you
Speaker 1: may be thinking, these are such terrible people. We see
Speaker 1: you over there judging, But.
Speaker 3: From a scientific perspective, there's some important content to think about.
Speaker 3: That actually makes these people a pretty fascinating group.
Speaker 2: Biology does not make any mistakes. There are sociopaths for
Speaker 2: a reason. Sociopaths are always going to make sure that
Speaker 2: they will survive, and they.
Speaker 3: Will when it's the zombie apocalypse. I need somebody who's
Speaker 3: gonna save the human race. Not out here trying to
Speaker 3: save a pregnant soundra Bullock right from the cus.
Speaker 1: Like bird box, right exactly.
Speaker 3: We don't need any tender ronies. It's time for a
Speaker 3: rough ride up right right. So regardless of why someone
Speaker 3: is lying, what about the people that are receiving the lies?
Speaker 3: What makes us continue to believe lies? Like even though
Speaker 3: we know you didn't get a six pack from that
Speaker 3: flat tummy tee, We're still gonna.
Speaker 1: Like your posts. I'm gonna come back and see what
Speaker 1: you're posting tomorrow.
Speaker 2: Because it costs more to not believe it. Lots of times,
Speaker 2: we live in this space called emotional mind.
Speaker 1: In the emotional mind, your feelings outweigh everything else, right,
Speaker 1: So the facts don't matter.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you only care about what makes you feel good.
Speaker 3: Does that sound familiar to any of you?
Speaker 2: That's the biggest part of therapy is for some folks
Speaker 2: is just having them believe the truth. And so when
Speaker 2: we say that, we're really talking about believing and connecting
Speaker 2: with what we see and what we hear and all
Speaker 2: of our senses, and not necessarily with the emotion. I
Speaker 2: don't know if this is emotional mind, but this is
Speaker 2: a time when t T told a partial lot, not
Speaker 2: really a lot. She just said some things, and my
Speaker 2: emotional mind took over. I was out to dinner with
Speaker 2: friends and you told me, and you were like, come,
Speaker 2: I need you to come home now.
Speaker 1: I have an emergency. These are the words that I said.
Speaker 1: This is a key on the phone.
Speaker 2: I said, Hey, I need you to meet me at
Speaker 2: your house, like right now, And she said, is everything okay?
Speaker 2: And I said, I'm not sure. Can you please just
Speaker 2: come here now? I really, I really need to talk
Speaker 2: to you.
Speaker 3: In my mind, I was like, something's happened. TT killed
Speaker 3: a man and we will have to hide the body.
Speaker 3: And naturally I'm the person you call for.
Speaker 2: That, right So, But what's the kid didn't know is
Speaker 2: that on the other side of that phone, I was
Speaker 2: with our good friend Brittany, and Brittany wanted to surprise
Speaker 2: the kid because the kid was getting a really big
Speaker 2: award that weekend, and so she drove up. She messaged
Speaker 2: me and said, hey, I want to surprise the Kia,
Speaker 2: but I need you to get her to come home.
Speaker 2: And so that was what TG's plan was, to get
Speaker 2: me to come home. I said, what do you want
Speaker 2: me to say? And Brittany says, say anything. Tell her
Speaker 2: it's an emergency. And I said, well, she's gonna get worried.
Speaker 2: And Brittany said, and I quote, she calls me with
Speaker 2: non emergency emergencies all the time.
Speaker 1: It'll be okay. So I called the kid and told
Speaker 1: her it's an emergency.
Speaker 2: And then she came flying down the road I did,
Speaker 2: and pulls up to her house and walks up to
Speaker 2: me nervous.
Speaker 1: I can see it in her face.
Speaker 3: I can't tell you the things that ran through my head. Okay,
Speaker 3: A knife in.
Speaker 1: My in my console, Oh my god.
Speaker 3: And I was like, what if she brought someone to
Speaker 3: the house and she wants me to kill them on
Speaker 3: the spot.
Speaker 2: This is the type of friend. As a kid, She's
Speaker 2: ready to kill a man at any time. Okay, So
Speaker 2: run up, get done up. That's the motto.
Speaker 1: So that was quite a bit. That was a lot
Speaker 1: for me. You know Zakia like this is not my forte.
Speaker 1: I was just like yes, more socious tell us all
Speaker 1: about it.
Speaker 3: The thing that's scary to me is that people's understanding
Speaker 3: the fact is always changing, and that's not how we operate.
Speaker 2: You know, no, not a scientists, fact is fact. As scientists,
Speaker 2: it's our job to uncover new facts. We don't just
Speaker 2: make stuff up. We don't just pull it out of nowhere.
Speaker 2: It is rooted in a lot of other facts.
Speaker 3: I do feel like facts used to It used to
Speaker 3: be like that's a fact, it's undisputable. Like right now
Speaker 3: we're both wearing black shirts which happened to be from
Speaker 3: Dope Blaps podcast dot com. Go and get one. But
Speaker 3: now I feel like there's somebody, there's a troll in
Speaker 3: the room waiting to say, actually that's just a dark.
Speaker 2: Gray or likes it is ridiculous.
Speaker 3: It's like people out here are not testing anything and
Speaker 3: just saying this is the truth.
Speaker 1: This is my truth. So it's the truth. It's like
Speaker 1: no drugs.
Speaker 2: Through the through the border, huh, based on what right?
Speaker 1: What evidence do you have? You have no evidence. You
Speaker 1: just heard it from your neighbor.
Speaker 3: You s hearing this caravans crossing the border at this
Speaker 3: spot every day, all right, So that means every day
Speaker 3: I should be able to go to this border and
Speaker 3: there should be caravans, no excuse, because if that is
Speaker 3: the fact, it should be reproducible. I should be able
Speaker 3: to see it within that time scale that you told
Speaker 3: me over and over and over and over again. And
Speaker 3: that's how you establish a fact. It is something that
Speaker 3: is unwavering under those conditions. Being a scientist has gotten
Speaker 3: me in so much trouble in social settings because I
Speaker 3: am trained for someone to say, oh, it's a lovely
Speaker 3: day outside.
Speaker 1: What's lovely? Is it just to you everywhere? Oh?
Speaker 2: So that means that it's lovely to you because you
Speaker 2: prefer sunshine, But I prefer sunshine and rainbow. So to me,
Speaker 2: it's not a lovely day.
Speaker 1: It's just to day. It's just a day.
Speaker 3: And so when people say, oh, o, Zakia, don't say
Speaker 3: it like that. Hey, I'm gonna say it plain all right,
Speaker 3: like that's it. I'm just gonna tell you straight up.
Speaker 3: I don't like that people like, oh, this is so nice,
Speaker 3: isn't it. I'm not having a good time.
Speaker 1: I'm ready to go home. I'm ready to go home.
Speaker 3: People say I can't wait to see you, Well, I'm
Speaker 3: only about eighty percent excited about seeing you, and sometimes
Speaker 3: people don't want that extra information.
Speaker 1: Ruthless, no.
Speaker 2: So one thing that we need to mention is that
Speaker 2: after every single episode, on the Friday after the episode,
Speaker 2: this day after, we post a cheat sheet.
Speaker 3: I know some of y'all made it through school, but
Speaker 3: you probably didn't study like you were supposed to.
Speaker 2: This is basically she's talking about, I'm looking at yes, Okay,
Speaker 2: I didn't study enough, but continue.
Speaker 1: It's a visual like cliff notes, but a visual.
Speaker 3: So we take the major scientific content from the episode
Speaker 3: and represent.
Speaker 1: It visually for you guys to see.
Speaker 2: Yes and Zakiya she's being modest, she illustrates the whole thing,
Speaker 2: and she is very very good.
Speaker 1: So you guys have to go back and see.
Speaker 2: It's on our Instagram, it's on our website, and it's
Speaker 2: on our Facebook page. So go and take a look
Speaker 2: at the cheat sheet at Dope lazpodcast dot com.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 2: Our producer is Jenny Rattle at MAAST. Mixing and sound
Speaker 2: design is by Hannes Brown.
Speaker 1: Our consulting producers are Rayka Murphy and Graham Griffith.
Speaker 2: Our original theme music is by Taka Yasuzawa and Alex Sugiura.
Speaker 2: Additional music by Elijah Lex Harvey.
Speaker 3: Special thanks to our guest expert a Yamaday House. To
Speaker 3: learn more about her practice, Sabano, visit sabano dot com.
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Speaker 3: is on Twitter at Doctor Underscore T s H O
Speaker 3: and you can find zakiya at z said so And
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Speaker 3: Media Group, and is executive produced by us T. T
Speaker 3: Showdea and Zekiah Wattley. When I was a kid, I
Speaker 3: couldn't say the liar. I had to say, you're telling
Speaker 3: a story.
Speaker 1: Okay, so could you say liar? We can say we
Speaker 1: can say liar.
Speaker 3: I want I'm putting a poll on Instagram. I want
Speaker 3: to know who could say liar and who had to
Speaker 3: say storyteller.
Speaker 1: I couldn't say shut up.
Speaker 3: Ooh, I couldn't say but we had to say hind parts.
Speaker 1: Yeah,