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Speaker 1: What's the last lie you told? I generally don't lie.

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Speaker 1: I feel like I'm an honest person. So so that lie?

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Speaker 1: What lie that you just told?

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Speaker 2: I feel like if you want to call trying to

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Speaker 1: Then yes, you're lying. It's a lie. Regardless of your intention,

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Speaker 1: you're lying. I don't. I don't think that's how that works.

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Speaker 1: I can tell when you're lying. You always go.

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Speaker 3: Like, yeah, it looks good, Yeah, come on, it'll be fine.

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Speaker 3: I think you should wear that outfit. And so whenever

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Speaker 3: you start climbing those octaves, I know you're lying.

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Speaker 2: To be kind, I think that there are good lies

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Speaker 2: and there are bad lies, and I think I tell

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Speaker 2: nothing but good lies.

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Speaker 1: Glinda the good Witch, still a witch. I'm t T

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Speaker 1: and I'm Zachiah.

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Speaker 2: And from Spotify Studios. This is Dope Labs.

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Speaker 1: Hey friend, Hey banana breadhead.

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Speaker 3: Okay, listen, I shared on the last episode, and y'all

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Speaker 3: out here calling name on the comment.

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Speaker 2: Oh y'all been roasting in the comment and I am

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Speaker 2: bid up. We said it was a safe space, but

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Speaker 2: my god.

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Speaker 1: Do we need to lay out the rules for that?

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Speaker 2: These comments really made me smile, but it also reignited

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Speaker 2: the kid's frustration in that moment, and so she's upset all.

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Speaker 1: Over again with tt not with y'all.

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Speaker 2: Okay, banana breadhead, Let's get to today's topic.

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Speaker 1: What are we talking about today? Today, we're talking about lies.

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Speaker 2: America doesn't run on duncan It runs on lies. That's right,

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Speaker 2: who run the world?

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Speaker 1: Lies? People have been lying for a long time, though.

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Speaker 2: I remember an episode of The Flint Song where Fred

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Speaker 2: Flinstone lied to Wilma and said that he had lost

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Speaker 2: his wallet when really he had lost all his money

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Speaker 2: in a poker game. Yep, Who's gonna get bronis Sorosberger's propeller.

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Speaker 3: Even though people have been lying since the Flotstone days,

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Speaker 3: it does feel like lately things have been getting worse.

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Speaker 1: Lately.

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Speaker 2: I've been feeling like some of these lies that are

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Speaker 2: being told on the Internet are ratcheting up to a

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Speaker 2: whole new level that we have never seen before.

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Speaker 1: The stuff with Jesse.

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Speaker 2: Smullett, Oh gosh, I mean, we don't want that to

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Speaker 2: be true, Like we hope that he's not lying, but

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Speaker 1: He's not the only one. Line.

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Speaker 3: If he is lying, he's not the only one because

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Speaker 3: at First, the Chicago Police Department said he paid these guys.

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Speaker 1: We have the check.

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Speaker 3: Then they released the image of the check and it

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Speaker 3: says on the memo line personal training. Huh, I would

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Speaker 3: pay trainers for personal training, right, and I would use.

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Speaker 1: A check to do that. Well, I don't use personal

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Speaker 1: checks neither. It's twenty nineteen exactly, you don't have venmo.

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Speaker 3: And then there's this whole messy triangle with Tristan Thompson

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Speaker 3: and Chloyd Kardashian and Jordan.

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Speaker 2: Woods right right, Jordan's said that she lied to Chloe

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Speaker 1: Would you call that a Glinda the good Witch line

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Speaker 1: in that case? No, that's not a Glinda the good

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Speaker 3: And so then the question is have we always been

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Speaker 2: Has the barometer for what's socially acceptable shifted?

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Speaker 3: It's like, now we're accepting it more. Everybody's lying. So

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Speaker 2: Just accepting it, but like propping those folks up, exalting

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Speaker 1: Be a congressman, you know what, you should be president?

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Speaker 3: Right, everybody's lying, and we're just like, oh, okay, sure, sure,

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Speaker 2: We ask you guys on Instagram to let us know

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Speaker 2: what your best, worst, and biggest lies you've ever told.

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Speaker 1: Then a lot of you responded, I like this one.

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Speaker 3: Somebody said I'm getting food for me and my husband,

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Speaker 3: Somebody said that they've lied about having plans instead of

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Speaker 1: Oh here's a lie biomission.

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Speaker 3: Somebody says I didn't precisely lie, but I just didn't

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Speaker 2: The recitation with what we know, which is that everybody lies.

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Speaker 3: A twenty fifteen study published in the Dreurnal Act of

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Speaker 3: eighteen and forty four, so most of y'all tell one

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Speaker 3: when it comes to lying, there are varying degrees. Lying

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Speaker 1: So Zekiah, what type of liar do you think you are?

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Speaker 3: I'm prone to hyperbole, like similar to soldier boy, you know,

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Speaker 1: She was like, I don't know, can I wear this?

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Speaker 1: And that was hyperbole.

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Speaker 3: Like the most accurate thing to say was you're going

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Speaker 2: Will stand out slightly because most people will not be

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Speaker 1: But I think it is okay, and to me it

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Speaker 1: just fine. What about you? What kind of lies do

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Speaker 2: I feel like the types of lies that I tell

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Speaker 2: I don't like it, but I know that they worked

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Speaker 2: I really like it, and I will eat the whole thing.

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Speaker 2: And I feel like that is a good lie. I

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Speaker 2: I only tell good lies because I'm just trying to.

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Speaker 1: Make people feel good. Doesn't that count for something?

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Speaker 3: It counts for something, But now it makes me dumb.

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Speaker 3: No tell me something he's a good cook. I've never

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Speaker 1: Let me see. Is it the truth? Is that how

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Speaker 1: you really feel? Did you really like it? But nah?

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Speaker 2: Man, I feel like some lies are okay. And I

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Speaker 1: Hmmm, this is feeling very situational under which conditions?

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Speaker 2: Well, okay, maybe that's a good question for us to

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I want to know what's going on inside

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Speaker 2: And also like why do we lie? What's the motivation

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Speaker 3: Are people born liars? Or do you become one based

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Speaker 1: Like if your mama's a liar, is you going to be.

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Speaker 2: A whole family liar? They got bad blood? Lion blood,

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Speaker 3: And then why do we choose to believe lies even

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Speaker 3: Yamede House.

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Speaker 3: A Yamade started her career in school counseling, working with

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Speaker 3: And that's what inspired her to focus specifically on women's work.

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Speaker 3: And Yamede has been working with women on all sorts

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Speaker 3: accidental liars right. Lying is not as easy as you

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Speaker 2: Basically, the brain does more work to lie than it

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Speaker 3: So let's say I ask you a question, for instance,

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Speaker 1: Lie to me. I feel like you're targeting me.

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Speaker 2: The first step is that I know the truth in

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Speaker 2: So, like I imagine saying it's a little salty, and

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Speaker 2: So I decide I'm gonna say something else, which brings

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Speaker 1: Then you will have to create the new fact. So

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Speaker 2: And finally I open my mouth and I say the lies,

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Speaker 1: Meal I've ever had in my life. And don't forget

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Speaker 1: to turn it up a few octaves. You know how

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Speaker 1: you do, right, I have to become peek at you

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Speaker 2: Twice as much brain power as it does to tell

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Speaker 1: The food is salty, but my food isn't. Okay, soakia

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Speaker 1: it was the best meal I ever had. Perfect.

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Speaker 3: But even after you tell the lie, your work's not over.

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Speaker 3: In fact, you're now creating even more work for your brain.

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Speaker 1: Line is stress. You have to keep up the lie.

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Speaker 2: You have to be able to remember and access all

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Speaker 3: Basically, our mind just becomes a rolodex of lies, and

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Speaker 3: anytime someone asks you a new question, you have to

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Speaker 1: What I want to know is is what's actually going

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Speaker 2: So you keep practicing, and pretty soon you'll be what

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Speaker 2: If it's so much work, then why do we lie?

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Speaker 1: Like another meal at my house. I'm always down for

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Speaker 2: So when even if it's something minute, like when somebody says, hey,

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Speaker 1: I knew it all this time.

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Speaker 3: You've been telling me my outfit looks good or you

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Speaker 2: That's the reason why he's so like gung ho about

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Speaker 3: So everybody lies, and you know, for some people is

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Speaker 2: The difference between the narcissist and someone who was a sociopath.

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Speaker 2: The narcissist wants to be grand. When you think about it,

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Speaker 1: Like Billy McFarland from The Fire Festival.

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Speaker 2: When you watch the documentary, like all of a sudden,

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Speaker 2: Yamaday is not Billy's counselor, and we're not diagnosing him

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Speaker 1: Were being told exactly, I could not believe it.

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Speaker 2: How can you sit there and tell these bold face

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Speaker 1: It up, loud, turn the music up. I'm like, Broy,

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Speaker 1: you can't play the music over that. There's no ten

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Speaker 3: Right, I was thinking about the Ballou challenge, right when

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Speaker 1: Yeah, man, And that is typical narcissistic behavior. But for sociopaths,

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Speaker 2: Our sociopaths are going to be people who will lie

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Speaker 1: Still, sociopaths can be really hard to spot. So basically,

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Speaker 3: From a scientific perspective, there's some important content to think about.

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Speaker 2: Biology does not make any mistakes. There are sociopaths for

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Speaker 3: Will when it's the zombie apocalypse. I need somebody who's

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Speaker 1: Like bird box, right exactly.

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Speaker 3: We don't need any tender ronies. It's time for a

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Speaker 2: Because it costs more to not believe it. Lots of times,

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Speaker 1: In the emotional mind, your feelings outweigh everything else, right,

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Speaker 3: In my mind, I was like, something's happened. TT killed

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Speaker 1: So that was quite a bit. That was a lot

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Speaker 1: for me. You know Zakia like this is not my forte.

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Speaker 1: I was just like yes, more socious tell us all

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Speaker 1: about it.

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Speaker 3: The thing that's scary to me is that people's understanding

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Speaker 3: the fact is always changing, and that's not how we operate.

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Speaker 2: You know, no, not a scientists, fact is fact. As scientists,

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Speaker 2: it's our job to uncover new facts. We don't just

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Speaker 2: make stuff up. We don't just pull it out of nowhere.

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Speaker 2: It is rooted in a lot of other facts.

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Speaker 3: I do feel like facts used to It used to

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Speaker 3: be like that's a fact, it's undisputable. Like right now

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Speaker 3: we're both wearing black shirts which happened to be from

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Speaker 3: Dope Blaps podcast dot com. Go and get one. But

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Speaker 3: now I feel like there's somebody, there's a troll in

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Speaker 3: the room waiting to say, actually that's just a dark.

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Speaker 2: Gray or likes it is ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: It's like people out here are not testing anything and

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Speaker 3: just saying this is the truth.

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Speaker 1: This is my truth. So it's the truth. It's like

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Speaker 1: no drugs.

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Speaker 2: Through the through the border, huh, based on what right?

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Speaker 1: What evidence do you have? You have no evidence. You

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Speaker 1: just heard it from your neighbor.

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Speaker 3: You s hearing this caravans crossing the border at this

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Speaker 3: spot every day, all right, So that means every day

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Speaker 3: I should be able to go to this border and

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Speaker 3: there should be caravans, no excuse, because if that is

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Speaker 3: the fact, it should be reproducible. I should be able

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Speaker 3: to see it within that time scale that you told

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Speaker 3: me over and over and over and over again. And

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Speaker 3: that's how you establish a fact. It is something that

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Speaker 3: is unwavering under those conditions. Being a scientist has gotten

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Speaker 3: me in so much trouble in social settings because I

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Speaker 3: am trained for someone to say, oh, it's a lovely

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Speaker 3: day outside.

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Speaker 1: What's lovely? Is it just to you everywhere? Oh?

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Speaker 2: So that means that it's lovely to you because you

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Speaker 2: prefer sunshine, But I prefer sunshine and rainbow. So to me,

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Speaker 2: it's not a lovely day.

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Speaker 1: It's just to day. It's just a day.

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Speaker 3: And so when people say, oh, o, Zakia, don't say

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Speaker 3: it like that. Hey, I'm gonna say it plain all right,

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Speaker 3: like that's it. I'm just gonna tell you straight up.

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Speaker 3: I don't like that people like, oh, this is so nice,

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Speaker 3: isn't it. I'm not having a good time.

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Speaker 1: I'm ready to go home. I'm ready to go home.

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Speaker 3: People say I can't wait to see you, Well, I'm

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Speaker 3: only about eighty percent excited about seeing you, and sometimes

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Speaker 3: people don't want that extra information.

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Speaker 1: Ruthless, no.

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Speaker 2: So one thing that we need to mention is that

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Speaker 2: after every single episode, on the Friday after the episode,

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Speaker 2: this day after, we post a cheat sheet.

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Speaker 3: I know some of y'all made it through school, but

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Speaker 3: you probably didn't study like you were supposed to.

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Speaker 2: This is basically she's talking about, I'm looking at yes, Okay,

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Speaker 2: I didn't study enough, but continue.

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Speaker 1: It's a visual like cliff notes, but a visual.

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Speaker 3: So we take the major scientific content from the episode

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Speaker 3: and represent.

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Speaker 1: It visually for you guys to see.

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Speaker 2: Yes and Zakiya she's being modest, she illustrates the whole thing,

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Speaker 2: and she is very very good.

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Speaker 1: So you guys have to go back and see.

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Speaker 2: It's on our Instagram, it's on our website, and it's

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Speaker 2: on our Facebook page. So go and take a look

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Speaker 2: at the cheat sheet at Dope lazpodcast dot com.

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Speaker 1: That's right.

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Speaker 2: Our producer is Jenny Rattle at MAAST. Mixing and sound

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Speaker 2: design is by Hannes Brown.

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Speaker 1: Our consulting producers are Rayka Murphy and Graham Griffith.

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Speaker 2: Our original theme music is by Taka Yasuzawa and Alex Sugiura.

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Speaker 2: Additional music by Elijah Lex Harvey.

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Speaker 3: Special thanks to our guest expert a Yamaday House. To

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Speaker 3: learn more about her practice, Sabano, visit sabano dot com.

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Speaker 3: That's s A B A n O h T T

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Speaker 3: is on Twitter at Doctor Underscore T s H O

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Speaker 3: and you can find zakiya at z said so And

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Speaker 3: if you love the show, don't forget to follow us

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Speaker 3: on Spotify or wherever you listen to your podcast. Dope

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Speaker 3: Labs is a production of Spotify Studios and Mega Owned

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Speaker 3: Media Group, and is executive produced by us T. T

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Speaker 3: Showdea and Zekiah Wattley. When I was a kid, I

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Speaker 3: couldn't say the liar. I had to say, you're telling

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Speaker 3: a story.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so could you say liar? We can say we

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Speaker 1: can say liar.

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Speaker 3: I want I'm putting a poll on Instagram. I want

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Speaker 3: to know who could say liar and who had to

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Speaker 3: say storyteller.

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Speaker 1: I couldn't say shut up.

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Speaker 3: Ooh, I couldn't say but we had to say hind parts.

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Speaker 1: Yeah,