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Speaker 1: Hey there, folks.

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Speaker 2: It is Thursday, January eighth, and as you could imagine,

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Speaker 2: it was a night of developments in Minneapolis but also

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Speaker 2: across the country after an ICE agent shot and killed

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Speaker 2: a woman in a video that pretty much the whole

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Speaker 2: country has seen. And with that, welcome to this episode

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Speaker 2: of Amy and TJ. We want to hop on and

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Speaker 2: give you all the latest and overnight developments which came

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Speaker 2: from a Christian Nome presser. New camera angles, vigils and

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Speaker 2: protest calls for the arrest of this officer.

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Speaker 1: But Robes.

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Speaker 2: We had a couple of press conferences yesterday from a

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Speaker 2: number of officials. Certainly the mayor of Minneapolis, certainly with

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Speaker 2: his tone, kind of ramped things up, but I think

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Speaker 3: Governor Tim Waltz stands out as the voice of reason,

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Speaker 3: at least with the pressers that we saw. It was

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Speaker 3: finally someone who disagreed with what happened, but did so

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Speaker 3: peacefully and without incendiary language, and showed that you can

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Speaker 3: say I don't agree with this, I see something different

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Speaker 3: and then call for calm and actually represent that calm.

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Speaker 3: You can call for calm and say something and oh yeah,

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Speaker 3: he act, his words matched his tone, and it worked.

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Speaker 1: And they listened.

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Speaker 2: Apparently we should start with that because oftentimes, and even

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Speaker 2: specifically in Minneapolis, we have seen in years past, how

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Speaker 2: things can get out of control, how protests can get

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Speaker 2: ugly at times. They we almost giggled during the press

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Speaker 2: conference with Tim Waltz yesterday because he had another officer

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Speaker 2: come up, a public safety person and was almost giving

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Speaker 2: instructions on how to protest.

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Speaker 3: He actually did give instructions on how to peacefully protest.

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Speaker 3: The ironic, the funny thing was, at the moment he

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Speaker 3: was saying, don't block streets, don't go in the roads,

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Speaker 3: people literally walking down a road completely blocking traffic.

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Speaker 4: So yes, they were trying to give the rule.

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Speaker 3: Book basically to peacefully protest and to not antagonize any

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Speaker 2: But the way the governor put it, he said, don't

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Speaker 2: give them an excuse to claim insurrection, don't give them

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Speaker 2: with people, and it looks like maybe a lot of

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Speaker 2: people did heat those warnings. Now we'll start with in

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Speaker 2: the timeline, at least yesterday Christy Nome had a couple

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Speaker 2: of press appearances, but her latest one, her last one,

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Speaker 2: she did Robes, we watched this live. She did a

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Speaker 2: press commer. She was back in Minneapolis, and she double

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Speaker 2: tripled down on at least one narrative coming from the

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Speaker 2: administration about what happened in that scene. And she absolutely

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Speaker 2: also Robes doubled down. I keep saying, doubling down, I

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Speaker 2: shouldn't say that. She repeated reiterated calling this an act

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Speaker 2: of domestic terror.

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Speaker 3: Yes, and that has struck a chord with a lot

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Speaker 4: But she said that the woman had been.

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Speaker 3: Stalking and impeding ICE agents work all day. So she

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Speaker 3: said then that she proceeded to weaponize her vehicle and

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Speaker 3: it was an attempt to kill or cause bodily harm

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Speaker 3: She says the ice officer feared for his life and

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Speaker 3: the other officers around him and the safety of the public,

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Speaker 3: and because of that, he fired those defensive shots. And

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Speaker 3: she'd made it very clear she said he used his

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Speaker 2: And she made the point that they have seen incidents

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Speaker 2: is where we need to pick up robes. I think

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Speaker 2: overnight and later in the day, other videos and other

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Speaker 2: I did as well. As one of the first things

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Speaker 2: I said to you, she hit them?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, and I think, look, but here are the

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Speaker 4: Now, so inadvertently hitting an officer.

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Speaker 3: It the intent of it probably doesn't matter when it

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Speaker 2: You just attacked him with a deadly weapon, is how

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Speaker 2: and I can reer. He doesn't know who she is

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Speaker 2: and what she's doing. This is an awful situation. You

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Speaker 2: But it's too bad that the narratives are so starkly

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Speaker 3: Isn't that interesting that we can all look at the

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Speaker 3: same videos plural now and then see very different things.

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Speaker 3: And I think it is a difference between what intent.

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Speaker 3: So we're hearing DHS saying she was intending to cause

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Speaker 3: was intending to potentially kill them. I think a lot

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Speaker 3: of people who see that video disagree with that. But

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Speaker 3: the reality is contact it looks like was absolutely.

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Speaker 2: Made, and that well, yes, there is an angle out

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Speaker 2: I want to say, how hard and all this that's not,

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Speaker 2: But it looks like contact was made with this officer.

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Speaker 3: Yes, And the other videos that we did see as

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Speaker 3: well did show her backing up and allowing other vehicles

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Speaker 3: when it came to the ice agents, she would push,

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Speaker 3: So she was letting other people go by and then

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Speaker 2: It also everybody would argue shouldn't cost to your life

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Speaker 2: either in ect situation. But it gave We talked about

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Speaker 2: it yesterday. Wonder what happened leading up to the moment

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Speaker 2: what Christinoman was saying, is that these officers, these agents

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Speaker 2: I should say, had issue with their vehicle, got stuck

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Speaker 2: trying to trap these agents. And I guess that video

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Speaker 2: So why is she that way? And it does appear

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Speaker 3: No one should pay for a non violent act with

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Speaker 3: But I do wonder, I do wonder what she thought

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Speaker 3: or how she thought it was going to end. Clearly,

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Speaker 3: she couldn't have thought that she was going to stop

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Speaker 3: it's one of those things where if people could only recognize,

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Speaker 3: you know what to what end, Like I understand you're upset.

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Speaker 3: I understand you. Perhaps you think you're protecting your immigrant neighbors.

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Speaker 3: That's how she's been described. But at the end of it,

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Speaker 3: all your decision. You have to take responsibility for decisions

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Speaker 3: you make. Now, it escalated in a way I don't

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Speaker 3: think she could have anticipated, or even maybe the ICE

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Speaker 3: agents would have anticipated, or any of the bystanders. It

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Speaker 3: was a horrific end, but it everyone has to take

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Speaker 3: responsibility for their roles, and I think that is what

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Speaker 3: we heard from the leaders, even when they disagreed with

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Speaker 3: from Tim Waltz. I was appreciative off this Prescott.

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Speaker 2: Is tonally and look he and President Trump had been

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Speaker 2: going at it in a very nasty way for several weeks, months,

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Speaker 2: and you can argue years. But the tone was I

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Speaker 2: thought in that moment. Correct, you mentioned the victim here

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Speaker 2: she has been identified, thirty seven year old renamed Nicole Wood,

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Speaker 2: an American citizen, a mother. I didn see how old

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Speaker 2: the child was old, six years old, whose fathers had

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Speaker 2: passed previously. I think you mentioned to me, so this

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Speaker 2: is a child now who is without parents. Yes, again,

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Speaker 2: adding to the tragedy of this all you were also

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Speaker 2: mentioning and let's jump and do it now. The tone

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Speaker 2: you talked about responsibility and of Jade Vance his comments.

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Speaker 2: At least you might not like him, but I guess

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Speaker 2: there was something to how he put it that almost

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Speaker 2: I guess rose he played it right down the middle

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Speaker 2: to where folks on both sides would have to get

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Speaker 2: what he said.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I agree, this will read you his comment. He

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Speaker 3: woman's death is a tragedy while acknowledging it's a tragedy

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Speaker 3: of her own making. Don't illegally interfere in federal law enforcement.

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Speaker 3: Operations and try to run for our officers with your car.

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Speaker 4: It's really that simple. And then in another post he

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Speaker 3: I want every ICE officer to know that their president,

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Speaker 3: the radicals assaulting them, doxing them and threatening them, congratulations,

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Speaker 3: were going to work even harder to enforce the law.

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Speaker 2: And I think the issue is a tragedy of her

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Speaker 2: with a tragedy of Trump's making, a tragedy of ICE

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Speaker 2: agents making. That just ramped up things in this community. Yes,

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Speaker 2: if ICE had not descended on Minneapolis, as a woman

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Speaker 2: So you then think like was this necessary? What is

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Speaker 2: Will never come to terms on that. I just what

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Speaker 2: to terms on? What can we all agree on? We're

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Speaker 2: being shown the exact same piece of evidence and coming

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Speaker 2: to very different conclusions about it.

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Speaker 3: And that's from our yes, And look, I think back

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Speaker 3: look the press conference we got from the Minneapolis mayor,

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Speaker 3: Jacob Frye. It was fiery, to say the least, but

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Speaker 3: he did point out that he was like, we have

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Speaker 3: This was inevitable with the tensions the way they were,

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Speaker 3: it happened on Wednesday.

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Speaker 1: It will happen again.

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Speaker 2: We saw how heated it was immediately in the streets, like,

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Speaker 2: oh my god, we thought the place was really going

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Speaker 2: to explode. It Thank goodness it did not, But this

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Speaker 2: is absolutely going to happen again. Of course, we heard

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Speaker 2: share at least what his truth social post was yesterday

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Speaker 2: saying that he had just viewed the clip of what

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Speaker 2: this is where he started comming about and a lot

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Speaker 2: of people. You remember, if you heard the saw the

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Speaker 2: up at that moment saying, quote, the woman screaming was

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Speaker 4: This happened, This shooting happened.

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Speaker 2: Wow, experience has taught them to do this. The FBI,

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Speaker 2: He made a good point as well. These are our people.

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Speaker 3: These are these are our peeps, these are dads, these

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Speaker 3: And that's an important thing to remember when you immediately

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Speaker 3: Also, we were talking a little bit about just the outrage,

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Speaker 4: That's been so much of the rhetoric.

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Speaker 3: But two thousand ICE agents descended in this area, on

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I can't imagine the White House the administration

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Speaker 3: And what about the investigation because as you were pointing out,

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Speaker 3: Right, you don't stand behind a horse. You don't stand

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Speaker 1: The way it is.

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Speaker 3: And can you imagine with the swift support that the

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Speaker 2: Oh goodness, no, are you kidding? The President would step

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Speaker 2: That's obviously not going to happen. But you just made

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Speaker 1: The fear. Now, what do you do in Minneapolis?

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Speaker 2: And we saw the law enforcement guy a long time.

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