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Speaker 1: Mike and I are both from Texas, so of course

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Speaker 1: we've got to talk about tex mex food.

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Speaker 2: We have to. This is exciting.

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Speaker 3: My name is Eva Longoria and I am my te

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Speaker 3: Gomez Rajon and.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Hungry for History, a podcast that explores our

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Speaker 1: past and present through food.

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Speaker 4: On every episode, we'll talk about the history of some

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Speaker 4: of our favorite dishes, ingredients, and beverages.

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Speaker 1: So make yourself at home, even Brochel, It's been a

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Speaker 1: thing for me in my marriage because I call text mechs.

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Speaker 1: For me is Mexican food, like I've always called it

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Speaker 1: Mexican food in Texas and my husband, who's a Mexican national,

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Speaker 1: we fight about a lot of things, as we've talked

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Speaker 1: about many times on the podcast, flower tortillas versus corn tortillas,

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Speaker 1: the burrito, breakfast, tacos, like, there's just so much. And

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Speaker 1: I I remember when I moved to Los Angeles, was

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Speaker 1: the first time I heard the word text me in

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Speaker 1: the like culinary lexicon. I was just like, oh, well,

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Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, it's Mexican food from Texas.

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Speaker 5: But yeah it's tex mex Like.

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Speaker 1: I didn't really consider it a whole different thing until

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Speaker 1: I really got versed in astronomy, and I realized, oh

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Speaker 1: my god, it is as It's a whole category in itself.

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Speaker 4: It's a regional cuisine. It is its own thing, one

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Speaker 4: hundred percent. Because even me growing up in Laredo, first generation,

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Speaker 4: the food that we had at the house was more

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Speaker 4: Mexican food, not necessarily tex Mex, right, but of course

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Speaker 4: it's Laredo, so it is part of that culture. So

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Speaker 4: basically South Texas it's it's a regional cuisine. It's one

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Speaker 4: of the oldest cuisines of the area. Right. And originally

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Speaker 4: it's Texas Mexican food, And like the rest of the

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Speaker 4: you know, pre colonial food and the rest of Mexico,

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Speaker 4: it was mostly plant based, with lots of prickly pear

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Speaker 4: and pecans and venison and turkey. And it didn't become

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Speaker 4: this sort of yellow cheese, greasy fried food until post conquest, right,

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Speaker 4: And the term text Mex didn't really appear until nineteen

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Speaker 5: So not that I don't remember it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I know we're talking like conquest and stuff

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Speaker 1: like that, but I don't remember hearing it as an

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Speaker 1: antiquated word. Tex Mex seems very modern. The word the

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Speaker 1: word text Mex.

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Speaker 2: It is it is.

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Speaker 4: And actually Diana Kennedy, who we talked about in one

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Speaker 4: of the episodes, the British born authority on Mexican Food,

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Speaker 4: she was the one that first used the word Texmex

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Speaker 4: in the seventies. She was basically making a clear distinction

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Speaker 4: and it was sort of dismissive.

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Speaker 2: It's like, this is real and that's text Mex. But

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Speaker 2: tex Mex food is a centuries old cuisine.

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Speaker 4: This text Mex food that has a lot of cheese,

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Speaker 4: yellow cheese and fried and all of that is an Anglo.

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Speaker 2: Contribution to the food.

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Speaker 4: Because the first sort of tex Mex restaurants appeared, or

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Speaker 4: what is called tex Mex now, appeared in San Antonio

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Speaker 4: soon after Texas became part of the US and the

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Speaker 4: Mexicans were being driven out of the city. But all

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Speaker 4: of the Americans that were going to the city on

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Speaker 2: The Mexican food. They just didn't like Mexicans. They liked

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Speaker 5: Who Okay.

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Speaker 4: In nineteen hundred, there was a restaurateur from the Midwest.

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Speaker 4: His name was Otis Farnsworth and he opened up a

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Speaker 4: Want the number five and I want the number two

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Speaker 4: But the first sort of tex Mex restaurant was created

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Speaker 1: In San Antonio, So would you say San Antonio's the

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Speaker 4: And actually the people that really put Texas Mexican food

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Speaker 5: Who are the San Antonio Chili Queens.

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Speaker 2: People that were coming into the city. It was such

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Speaker 4: And it was like, oh, this new Mexican world, and

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Speaker 4: And it was called gardenet on chile and they would

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Speaker 1: Of gardene chile or chili concarne.

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Speaker 2: And then it was chili, and then it was just chili.

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Speaker 1: So they would make it at home and then like

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Speaker 5: Mostly right.

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Speaker 4: It was tourists, it was people coming through the city, right,

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Speaker 2: And they really sort of it became famous.

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Speaker 4: Everybody wanted to taste the food of these women. And

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Speaker 4: First they were sort of outside of the plazas because

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Speaker 1: Their presence is well documented in like the newspapers like

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Speaker 1: of this documentation about this food in eighteen ninety four.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, tons.

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Speaker 1: And then there were some food reviews that also were

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Speaker 1: was the chili queen's food is fire bricks from So

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Speaker 5: Yeah, like you know, this is definitely from hades.

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Speaker 1: But also that I can see it now because I

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Speaker 5: We have to take Texas history growing up.

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Speaker 1: But how the upper class of San Antonio saw Mexican

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Speaker 5: The standard of living.

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Speaker 1: They were like, god forbid, this becomes more popular than

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Speaker 1: interesting how food and politics are pretty parallel in the

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Speaker 4: Absolutely. There was this German born man. His name was

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Speaker 4: William Gebhart and he lived in New Brown Falls, that's

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Speaker 4: like just just outside of center. It's like half an

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Speaker 4: But it was fresh chiliss. It was just really good

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Speaker 4: recreate this, So he developed a chili powder. The gap

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Speaker 4: Hard chili powder is a famous chili powder in Texas

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Speaker 4: that a lot of people use in their chilies. So

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Speaker 4: he would go to San Antonio, he would taste the

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Speaker 4: chilies he was figuring out.

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Speaker 2: How to weigh.

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Speaker 4: He then import chilianchos from Saint Luis Potosi dehydrated these chilis.

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Speaker 4: First he called this powder chili powder dampico dust, and

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Speaker 4: the first text mex cookbook. A German published the first

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Speaker 4: sort of Texas Mexican cookbook called Mexican Cooking to educate

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Speaker 2: His chili powder is still super famous.

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Speaker 4: I mean they sell it everywhere at the atb It's

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Speaker 4: like sort of the chili.

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Speaker 1: But it is interesting that the reason he did that

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Speaker 1: And so I thought that was pretty innovative of him

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Speaker 1: know a lot of people don't understand German settlements were

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Speaker 1: alive and well in Texas. There's so much German heritage

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Speaker 1: in Texas. That's why banda music is actually polka music.

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Speaker 1: it because it's German. Coming up next, Mike, then I

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Speaker 1: discussed the background and the idea of being the hanul.

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Speaker 5: Where did tekano first come from?

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Speaker 4: That word According to the Texas State Historical Association, it

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Speaker 4: was defined in eighteen twenty four denoting a Texan of

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Speaker 4: Mexican descent. So it's basically a Mexican Texan, a Texas

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Speaker 4: Texan Mexican, and it can be you know, a Techano

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Speaker 4: could be, like you said, Tejano music, Tejano art, Techano cuisine.

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Speaker 4: It could just be sort of anything from this area.

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Speaker 4: But one thing that is really interesting I think about

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Speaker 4: the area is that we think, you know, there have

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Speaker 4: been indigenous populations in this area.

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Speaker 2: Of northern Mexico.

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Speaker 4: There's like fifty different indigenous nations that lived in the

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Speaker 4: state of Texas even before the conquest, right, So there's

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Speaker 4: and it's all of these indigenous groups that when the

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Speaker 4: Spanish came, they became Hispanicized and they became sort of

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Speaker 4: this area is so you know, complex, So a lot

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Speaker 4: of Texans that identify themselves with being Mexican even pre date.

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Speaker 2: When Texas was Mexico, right, So it's so many layers

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Speaker 4: It's this home cooking that's a lot of you know,

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Speaker 1: Cheese invented by James Kraft in the nineteen tens, and

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Speaker 4: It's highly processed, it lasts forever, and so it was

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Speaker 4: And it's just it's it's he developed this this stuff.

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Speaker 2: That people of all classes ate it.

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Speaker 2: So it's so interesting when become food becomes.

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Speaker 4: A class thing, right, it's like, oh yeah, yeah, everybody

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Speaker 2: This yellow cheese.

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Speaker 5: Tex Mex dishes.

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Speaker 2: Oh, and the Freedo pie.

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Speaker 1: Don't go anywhere. I use rotel in everything. I literally

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Speaker 1: travel with rotel because to have tomatoes and green chilies

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Speaker 1: And I was reading that rotel was birthed in Texas.

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Speaker 2: No, I've never heard of it. Now I have to

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Speaker 4: Blend of tomatoes canned with spicy green chillis. It was

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Speaker 5: But is this guy? So his name was carl or Carlos.

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Speaker 1: Dash t e l It's it's one of my favorite

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Speaker 1: A couple of other I think textmex Staples is the

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Speaker 1: But I think in chiladas and Texas are super different

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Speaker 2: Completely different, yeah, completely different.

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Speaker 4: I feel like in chilada's in Texas it's mostly red,

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Speaker 4: on top. In Mexico, there are so many other variations.

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Speaker 4: Chilaas there's a like different ones, but they're very.

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Speaker 2: Different than the Texas ones.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, if I make Mexican in chiladas, like in Mexico,

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Speaker 5: Growing up?

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Speaker 4: I never had chili growing up at home because in

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Speaker 2: I've never had canned chili.

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Speaker 4: I never had inchiladas with chili or anything like that.

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Speaker 5: Oh my god. That's the only in Chila that I knew.

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Speaker 1: My mom would buy these cans of Wolf Brand chili,

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Speaker 1: And that's like I've searched my whole life for Wolf

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Speaker 5: Really, yeah, that's in Chilada.

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Speaker 1: Also that the thing that's very Texas, very thick on

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Speaker 1: it was the Freedo pie.

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Speaker 1: I didn't realize it was basically Chila kiles, you know,

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Speaker 5: For lunch, I think for four years straight.

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Speaker 2: Is I mean, it's that is it's so Texas.

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Speaker 2: I mean, honestly, anything with frido. Fritos are the most

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Speaker 1: Yes, frying corn tortillas in general is a text mexing,

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Speaker 1: not just for fuffy tacos. I make I fry more

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Speaker 1: Mexican's just heated up on the komal.

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Speaker 4: But then you also have things like can you cut down?

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Speaker 4: You have the salvotes and those are fried.

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Speaker 2: It's basically like a puffy taco.

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Speaker 4: They're fried corn mass. They're a little bit thicker. But

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Speaker 2: And there's also fajitas. Of course that's a very.

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Speaker 4: Texas thing, super tex mex Northern Mexico, which is grilled

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Speaker 4: it's basically there's so much meat in the area.

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Speaker 1: Well we call in Mexico they call thostadas.

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Speaker 5: We call chalupa chalupas.

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Speaker 4: I love.

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Speaker 2: But it's the same thing, right.

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Speaker 4: But it's the same thing, Yeah, just chia bus because

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Speaker 4: I grew up calling them both chilopus sostadas at home.

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Speaker 1: In Mexico, taqitos or tacos, takitos. Takitos are the a

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Speaker 1: rold flout us call them flout.

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Speaker 2: Us, Yes, we call them.

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Speaker 1: Mexico they call them tacitos. And the other probably my favorite.

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Speaker 5: This is my favorite.

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Speaker 1: Text mex food is breakfast tacos.

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Speaker 4: So breakfast tacos is like, there's like this whole controversy, right,

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Speaker 4: San Antonio claims to have invented the breakfast that got awesome,

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Speaker 4: claims to invent the freakfast taco.

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Speaker 2: But it's like, isn't breakfast? Aren't they just like a thing?

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Speaker 4: I mean, I remember there was a place in Laredo

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Speaker 4: called Cortula. It was a restaurant and they used to

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Speaker 4: have like their breakfast tacos were amazing. But it's just

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Speaker 4: a flower tortilla, right right with? I mean, how is

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Speaker 4: it a text that's I don't understand how it's a

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Speaker 4: text mex thing.

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Speaker 1: Well, first of all, because it has a flower tortilla, right.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, in itself that's okay, Because here's the thing

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Speaker 3: in Mexico, even in the north where they eat flower

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Speaker 3: tortillas in Monterey, they're very thin and translucent.

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Speaker 1: They're very different text mex flower tortillas are thick like

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Speaker 1: a peita bread. They're thick like non like Indian bread.

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Speaker 1: You know, they're thick, and so that in itself makes

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Speaker 1: a breakfast taco very different. So you make which I

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Speaker 1: make them every morning. I make breakfast tacos every morning.

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Speaker 1: I make my flower tortillas from scratch. They're very thick,

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Speaker 1: and then you make potato and egg. You can make

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Speaker 1: chotese on egg. I make bean tacos every morning. And

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Speaker 1: when you go in Texas, everybody has breakfast tacos in Texas,

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Speaker 1: and it's a whole competition of like whos. Especially in

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Speaker 1: San Antonio, where I also live, is like this competition

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Speaker 1: of who has the best breakfast tacos. And it's like

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Speaker 1: chodese on and egg are my favorite bean tacos. Usually

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Speaker 1: bean and cheese is super popular, but I do bean.

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Speaker 1: I don't like the cheese.

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Speaker 4: I there's this restaurant that every time I go to Laredo,

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Speaker 4: I always have to go to.

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Speaker 2: It's down the street from my house.

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Speaker 4: It's called Danny's and it's it's like a local, a

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Speaker 4: Laredo chain.

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Speaker 2: They have the best breakfast.

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Speaker 4: I don't eat eggs, but theirs I will eat eggs there.

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Speaker 2: Al that's the only place that I lead the eggs.

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Speaker 4: But they have machakallo, which is the dried shredded which

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Speaker 4: is very northern. Yeah, that's very northern Mexico. In Laredo

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Speaker 4: you see it a lot as well. I don't know

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Speaker 4: if you could consider it tex Mex or if it's

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Speaker 4: more Northern Mexico.

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Speaker 2: But in Laredo you see a.

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Speaker 4: Lot of machacado and it's that cooked together in a

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Speaker 4: breakfast taco. Oh my god, it's it's it's amazing. It's

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Speaker 4: the most delicious thing. So I guess it's more of

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Speaker 4: a of a of a Laredo Tex Mex thing because

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Speaker 4: it's the Yeah, I normally like them really paper thin,

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Speaker 4: but these are like thick and kind of chewy and delicious.

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Speaker 1: I'm so happy y'all went on this, uh basically trip

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Speaker 1: down memory lane with Mike and I with text Mexmex.

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Speaker 2: So good, so good. Thank you for listen today.

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