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Speaker 1: Welcome into the Jaguars Reporters podcast.

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Speaker 2: JB.

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Speaker 1: Shadwick, Bryan Sexson, John Ozier, Kai Stevens in the aftermath

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Speaker 1: of the end of the regular season, still winding it down,

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Speaker 1: and yeah, it's been a busy week, obviously, the Jaguars

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Speaker 1: falling on Sunday and then making changes to the staff

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Speaker 1: starting late Monday night with defensive coaches a lot of

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Speaker 1: them gone, and then adding to it the next day

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Speaker 1: Kai with a couple of offensive coaches not returning. And

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Speaker 1: that's what happens when you lose five of six down

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Speaker 1: the stretch and play the way they did.

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Speaker 3: We knew changes were coming because when you collapse like that,

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Speaker 3: something has to change, right. You can't just expect things

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Speaker 3: are going to stay the same. It's so funny. I

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Speaker 3: think we talked the fine line of it, and John

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Speaker 3: was saying, if you win that game, then totally different.

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Speaker 3: You're in the playoffs and then probably nobody loses their job,

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Speaker 3: right so, and it's probably not that much different, which

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Speaker 3: so you can kind of look at it as a

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Speaker 3: positive in the sense of they ran everything back the

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Speaker 3: exact same way they had it in twenty twenty two

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Speaker 3: and they got the exact same result, which is a

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Speaker 3: nine to eight team, and it wasn't good enough this

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Speaker 3: year to make the playoffs because the division's gotten better.

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Speaker 3: So I'm a big philosopher of you should change between

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Speaker 3: every year, even if you win the Super Bowl, because

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Speaker 3: you're unless you win the Super Bowl, you were not successful,

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Speaker 3: and they certainly did not do that. So well, we'll

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Speaker 3: end up seeing exactly what all the changes are going

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Speaker 3: to be. But big ones already right out of the gate.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, right, I mean these are pretty pretty big ones

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Speaker 4: Well, I was telling someone this morning, I've seen a

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Speaker 4: defensive coordinator go and then the staff kind of hangs

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Speaker 4: out until the new coordinator comes in and dismisses them.

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Speaker 4: I've never seen them swept out like everybody on that

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Speaker 4: and Schwey has a resume. Obviously, what he has done

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Speaker 4: with Trayvon Walker and Josh Allen, you weren't going to

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Speaker 4: necessarily ask him to go, But they swept everybody out

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Speaker 4: at the same time. It just seemed to me a

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Speaker 4: very dramatic way of doing things, And maybe that's a

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Speaker 4: message that Doug is trying to send that you know

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I think it's a little bit, a little bit semantics

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Speaker 2: in the sense that usually when you fire the corner,

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Speaker 2: everybody goes like you said, so it's sort of a

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Speaker 2: probably symbolic gesture more than anything of look, we're not

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Speaker 2: good enough. We need to make a statement. We need

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Speaker 2: to make sure people realize we're not doing maybe send

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Speaker 2: a message to players, you know, of hey, if this happens,

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Speaker 2: it's unacceptable. I'm not necessarily on board with guy that

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Speaker 2: you have to change every off season.

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Speaker 5: I think there is.

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Speaker 2: An advantage to continuity, and I usually believe in that

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Speaker 2: maybe this works, you know, I don't necessarily think that

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Speaker 5: Maybe that's coaching.

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Speaker 1: But as you always say in the os on the

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Speaker 1: it's always coaching in the well.

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Speaker 2: And I mainly say that for many reasons because I

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Speaker 2: I think I think it's very overrated in a lot

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Speaker 2: But in this league, you can't fire all your players.

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Speaker 2: So when you need to make a change, you fire

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Speaker 2: all your coaches and that's what they did.

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Speaker 4: Well, you're gonna have to have some change on that

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Speaker 4: defensive side of the ball. You're gonna have to have

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Speaker 4: better players. They've invested money in fully Fonticassi and Devon Hamilton,

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Speaker 4: and I think both are good players, but both got

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Speaker 4: pushed around on Sunday. That's a problem. You know, Roy

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Speaker 4: Robertson Harris, same thing. Roy has had some really big

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Speaker 4: yet on Sunday not so much. Clearly, Devin Lloyd is

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Speaker 4: a guy that they have high expectations for first round pick,

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Speaker 4: wasn't the other day. They've they got. If there's gonna

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Speaker 4: and on defense man right in the middle of it all,

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Speaker 4: they got to get better.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean this is this seems like something they

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because I mean, you can make as many coaching

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Speaker 3: so you can motivate them.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 3: But if they're saying a lot of the issues, according

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Speaker 3: in a game. I find that very odd. I would

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Speaker 3: And for me, it's more I don't always believe that.

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Speaker 3: I don't think coaching firing coaches necessarily fixes everything. A

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Speaker 3: lot of the changes is more like you can always

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Speaker 4: You know, if I can turn this just slightly to

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Speaker 4: the big picture, I get aggravated when mostly younger reporters say,

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Speaker 4: there's got to be some of that. Right, you went

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Speaker 4: and the biggest game you didn't even show up yet. Right,

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Speaker 4: So I have to know why why didn't this team

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Speaker 4: fact that you know that you have the World champions

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Speaker 4: in week two your home opener, and what did we

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Speaker 4: learn after that game? Well that they had a bad

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Speaker 4: next week you get a Houston team coming in and

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Speaker 4: they just how to explain that game? Well, then you

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Speaker 4: go and you beat Atlanta in Buffalo. Okay, you write

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Speaker 4: the ship, you run out to eight and three. But

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Speaker 4: then when got big, this team got small. And I

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Speaker 4: asked Ug about it, and he goes, I know what

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Speaker 4: question for me, because you've got some good players, and

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Speaker 4: we all know where they need to add good players.

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Speaker 4: But are you gonna change the reason why this team

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Speaker 5: I think this ties into the same thing.

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Speaker 2: It's the stat I've been banging on for the last

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Speaker 2: two weeks they went nine and eight. I think this

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Speaker 2: most part. The point is they never came back this year.

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Speaker 2: And I thought Tennessee in that sense, I said it

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Speaker 2: because they almost did, they showed that thing that we

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Speaker 2: This is the game where they come back. They show it,

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Speaker 2: and they did. They got the play they needed with Cisco,

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Speaker 2: last year that was big. They came back from double

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Speaker 2: that probably ties in with what Doug's talking about, that urgency,

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Speaker 2: that spark that they all looked for. Someone's missing, and

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Speaker 2: maybe it was the defensive staff maybe.

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Speaker 1: So Yeah. Apparently Christian Kirk said something similar to that

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Speaker 1: in the locker room. Actually, he's like, you know, nobody

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Speaker 5: Those games out. I laughed when he said that, nobody

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Speaker 1: We lost all these games to there. That's just kind

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Speaker 1: of how it goes. Let's come back in a moment.

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Speaker 1: We'll get into some of the off season business to

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Speaker 1: attend to for the Jaguars after this on Jaguars Reporters.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Jaguars Reporters podcast. Japhty, Chadwick, Guy, Stephen,

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Speaker 1: Ryan Zaxstein, John Oser, And it's the off season. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: playoff games will be on television. The Jaguars will not

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Speaker 1: be there. We'll be watching some of that. I guess

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Speaker 1: I'll watch them, John, go watch them.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, if you have peacock, Yeah, we'll be watching that.

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Speaker 4: Way the way, have you seen the temperature in Kansas

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Speaker 4: City on Saturday night? Jokoff?

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Speaker 5: I haven't because I don't care.

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Speaker 4: It'll be minus one at kickoff, which you'll put it

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Speaker 4: in the top ten of all time coldest games. That's

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Speaker 4: a game you don't necessarily want to be on, but

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Speaker 4: watching it sounds fantastic. Yes, and Miami it'll be sixty

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Speaker 4: three at kickoff. Think about that big difference you're watching.

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Speaker 3: Okay, No, I'm trying to catch up on shows.

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Speaker 4: I'm on season two of The Bear right now.

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Speaker 2: It's fantastic. It's much better than won a great playoff

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Speaker 2: game at the Bear.

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Speaker 1: So the business ahead for the Jaguars. Okay, they've got

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Speaker 1: to figure out Josh Allen. They've got to figure out

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Speaker 1: Calvin Ridley. Those are one of the two big things.

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Speaker 1: Then you know they can make room and slice and

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Speaker 1: dice the salary cap down and make space.

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Speaker 4: And I can get you to sixty million to do

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Speaker 4: all that. They can get to a significant amount of Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So, but I mean, I mean, Kai, it's Josh Allen.

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Speaker 1: He's he's you got to get that done.

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Speaker 3: If you think people are mad right now, if you

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Speaker 3: don't resent Josh Allen, there will be no one in

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Speaker 1: There's no way to tag him.

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Speaker 3: There's just no physical way. He did everything he needed

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Speaker 5: I mean, I just don't.

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Speaker 4: The rest of the league would laugh at you. It

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Speaker 4: would be laugh out loud.

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Speaker 1: Yes.

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Speaker 5: Well, I've also got to think.

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Speaker 2: If you're right now, Doug's having conversations I assume with

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Speaker 2: defensive coordinator candidates.

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Speaker 5: A trave on and Josh your core. Yeah right, I

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Speaker 5: mean not coming here there. That's what you builder.

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Speaker 4: One sack duo with the NFL twenty seven and a

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Speaker 2: If I'm a defensive coordinator, the first thing that I

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Speaker 2: ask is, okay, wet Josh taking care of right? I

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Speaker 2: mean that's gonna happen? Y, yes, Okay, Well let's move on,

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Speaker 2: because you you can build around those guys. And I

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Speaker 2: know we're off on a tangent, but they're unusual in

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Speaker 2: this sense, the twenty seven sacks. And do you think

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Speaker 2: either of them are bad against the run?

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Speaker 5: No?

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Speaker 2: No, I mean they're complete players with the twenty seven sacks,

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Speaker 2: so you can build around that. But you got to

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Speaker 2: get them back to build around it. And uh, to me,

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Speaker 2: You'd like that to be quarterback because then you can

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And too many times ran. It's it's been first

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Speaker 4: Was this is the flag. Yeah, this is your guy.

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Speaker 4: There were only four teams this year in the NFL

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Speaker 4: He is absolutely the cornerstone, the guy that you build on.

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Speaker 4: I said this on Jags Am, I you're I mean,

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Speaker 4: And because if you're paying him based on this last season,

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Speaker 4: Andre Cisco same thing, didn't play that much. There are

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Speaker 2: And I know Trent doesn't like to do this, he said,

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Speaker 2: to the representation and say, look, this was a weird year,

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Speaker 2: didn't play injuries with Trevor, etc. Let's figure out after

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Speaker 2: eight weeks. Yeah, we really like these guys, really want

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Speaker 2: this scene? You know not that he's not all the things,

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Speaker 4: The players to wait too? Well, you're he's wanting that

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 4: So if I'm him to your point, John, if i'm

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Speaker 5: I can do this, man.

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Speaker 4: We know Josh right, we've got the time. I'll bet

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, but I'm happy to bet on myself.

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Speaker 1: Kay, where are you on Calvin Ridley?

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Speaker 3: I'm torn. I'm curious what Calvin will want to do too,

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Speaker 3: because he comes out of suspension, hasn't played in a

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Speaker 3: and then to come back. He doesn't have that connection

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Speaker 3: Not to mention, we have to mention, there's at least

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Speaker 3: you're missing out on that time. And I'm curious what

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Speaker 3: I don't know if that'll be here or not. I'd

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Speaker 2: You have to sign you have to sign Josh because

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Speaker 3: I think I would sign Josh either way.

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Speaker 5: I think it's.

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Speaker 2: I get there were things that Calvin wasn't, but he

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Speaker 2: multiple games that I'm not sure they win if he's

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Speaker 2: would think that the chemistry would be better in year two.

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Speaker 2: I think it would behoove him on the field to

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 2: He's also a special talent. Whatever he wasn't in some ways,

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Speaker 2: and he caught what seven touchdowns?

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Speaker 2: Look, I know there are more expectations for that, but

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Speaker 5: So I don't really know how to predict it.

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Speaker 4: It's a great draft for wide receivers, but are you

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Speaker 3: Now?

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Speaker 5: Also, I have a lot of other stuff. You get

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Speaker 4: It's a great draft, for wide receivers and for offensive tackles,

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Speaker 2: But considering wide receivers often have a tough time coming

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Speaker 5: Oh no, I'm not saying it's going to be.

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Speaker 4: If it isn't, I'll beat my hand and say, what

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Speaker 5: Well, you know about three. But they need to address it.

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Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. Yeah, I mean it's they

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Speaker 5: That's their dilemma.

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Speaker 2: If all you needed was a receiver, you're picking seventeenth.

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Speaker 2: You can maneuve room, go get one, just to But

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Speaker 2: I don't know if that's as important with this offense

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Speaker 4: I know you all guys. You guys all spent time

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Speaker 4: I don't know his representation. I think you can find

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Speaker 4: fourteen hundred yards and twenty touchdowns, twenty ten touchdowns, right,

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Speaker 4: you're gonna have to pay him twenty million. Well, you

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Speaker 4: don't have to pay him that now. I don't think

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Speaker 4: But I think you could get him at a good

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Speaker 4: And I think that would be appealing to him because

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Speaker 1: Do you need the second round pick more than you

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a fair point.

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Speaker 1: It's a great question.

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Speaker 5: It's a great question.

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Speaker 3: We've got a lot of we've got a lot of

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Speaker 3: we have many months to discuss.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, you know. I mean, because there's a lot.

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Speaker 5: Of needs, a lot of needs.

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Speaker 1: But he's a good receiver.

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Speaker 4: Let me just say this. There are eight or nine

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Speaker 4: There is a center at Duke Graham Barton is his name.

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Speaker 4: Who is a stud who will go somewhere in the

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Speaker 4: would be really appealing if you could help yourself there. Oh,

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Speaker 4: did I just give you my opinion of the starting

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Speaker 4: I think I did. I think you got to replace that.

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Speaker 1: So that's where we are. That's the state of affairs

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Speaker 4: There's a lot of opinions, and that's what happens when

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Speaker 4: you lose five of your last six.

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Speaker 1: Opened the door, go while it's gonna be loud and noisy,

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Speaker 1: all off Seaton around the Jaguars display that this guy

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Speaker 3: Rob.

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Speaker 1: That was guy Stevens.

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Speaker 4: It's too bad that he didn't have a game.

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Speaker 1: It's too I know, a little scratching. Claud Kay Stevens,

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Speaker 1: Brian Sexton, John os Im, JP, Shadwick. Thank you for listening,

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Speaker 1: The Jaguars reported,