1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:05,279 Speaker 1: So this episode is a tough one after the verdict 2 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:10,640 Speaker 1: finding Donald Trump guilty of thirty four felon accounts, it's 3 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:12,280 Speaker 1: a tough one. I'm not gonna lie. When I was 4 00:00:12,320 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 1: watching the news, I ate a pint of ice cream. 5 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:17,120 Speaker 1: I was depressed. I was feeling my feelings, worried about 6 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:19,560 Speaker 1: the future of the country, as I'm sure everyone listening 7 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:20,320 Speaker 1: is as well. 8 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:21,680 Speaker 2: And I don't know what that looks like. 9 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:24,480 Speaker 1: You know, I hear a lot of people on TV 10 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:26,799 Speaker 1: and in the media say they have faith in the 11 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 1: American people that we can turn this thing around. But 12 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 1: we look at what we went through with COVID, where 13 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:35,760 Speaker 1: you know, we would think that Americans love freedom, that 14 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:39,159 Speaker 1: they would stand against overreach from the government, and the 15 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:41,479 Speaker 1: government said jump and a lot of people, a lot 16 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:45,480 Speaker 1: of conservatives, libertarians, people who should know better, said well, 17 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:47,519 Speaker 1: how high you know? How high do you want me 18 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:50,559 Speaker 1: to jump? We look at what a jury of our 19 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 1: peers did in New York City, with disdain for the 20 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 1: equal application of the law, the rule of law. The 21 00:00:56,640 --> 00:00:59,800 Speaker 1: animosity for Donald Trump out trumped the rule of law. 22 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 1: Out Trump the truth was more important to them to 23 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:04,640 Speaker 1: get Donald Trump. We saw that with Alvin Bragg from 24 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:07,399 Speaker 1: the beginning, this was a witch hunt, a political witch hunt. 25 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:09,760 Speaker 1: We see what's happening on college campuses as well, with 26 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:12,039 Speaker 1: a lot of these crazy students who are cheering on 27 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:15,119 Speaker 1: the genocide of the Jews, you know, just the dehumanization 28 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 1: of people, the dehumanization of the Jews, the dehumanization of 29 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:20,200 Speaker 1: Donald Trump. We saw that during COVID, the dehumanization of 30 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:23,319 Speaker 1: people who didn't want to get vaccinated. So we've got 31 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 1: to be honest that a lot of our fellow Americans 32 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 1: hate the Constitution, they hate us, they hate the country. 33 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:30,920 Speaker 1: They don't believe in the same things that we do. 34 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 1: My hope is that it's less than the majority of 35 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:38,400 Speaker 1: this country. That the majority of this country is still 36 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 1: saying the majority of this country still believes in freedom, 37 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 1: The majority of this country still believes in the equal 38 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:45,839 Speaker 1: application of the law, the rule of law, still believes 39 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 1: in the Constitution, still believes on the things that are 40 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 1: keeping a nation together. I don't know. We're gonna have 41 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 1: to see how this all plays out. See the reaction 42 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 1: in the polls, see the reaction in the American people. 43 00:01:57,480 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 1: But we know when you watch the media, when you 44 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 1: see these leftists, politicians when you look at this New 45 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 1: York jury, when you see these kids on college campus, 46 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 1: there are a whole bunch of people in this country 47 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:12,080 Speaker 1: who hate everything we love, hate patriotism, hate America. So 48 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:14,440 Speaker 1: I think it is only helpful to at least open 49 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 1: her eyes to that and pray that is not the 50 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:19,520 Speaker 1: majority of the country, and pray that we can still 51 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 1: turn this thing around. 52 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:23,079 Speaker 2: There's still some good news. 53 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:25,640 Speaker 1: I mean, we saw people like Susan Collins step up, 54 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 1: who also stepped up during brit Kavanaugh. Obviously don't agree 55 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:31,520 Speaker 1: with a lot of her policy positions. She's very, very moderate, 56 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:34,400 Speaker 1: basically almost even a Democrat, but she has stood strong 57 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 1: when needed when she feels like things are unjust, and 58 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:39,960 Speaker 1: she did stand behind Donald Trump on this, or even 59 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:42,919 Speaker 1: Minority Leader Mitch McConnell stood up a little bit. You 60 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:45,800 Speaker 1: look at the fundraising from Team Trump as well, raising 61 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:48,600 Speaker 1: almost thirty five million dollars in small dollar fundraising in 62 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:50,680 Speaker 1: less than twenty four hours. So there are a lot 63 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 1: of positive things to look at as well. You know, 64 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 1: what Democrats have demonstrated with this is that they will 65 00:02:56,919 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 1: literally stop at nothing. Are there any limitations to that? 66 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:02,919 Speaker 1: I don't know. We're about to find out. I'm gonna 67 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:05,600 Speaker 1: have Matt Whitaker on for this conversation. He's been in 68 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 1: the court with Donald Trump. He knows him as a man. 69 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 1: He was his former acting attorney general as well, so 70 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:12,680 Speaker 1: he can give us some insight into what he saw 71 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:15,959 Speaker 1: when he was in court with Donald Trump. Also, just 72 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:18,080 Speaker 1: give us some insight and you know what Donald Trump 73 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 1: is thinking, how he's doing, and then what are the 74 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:23,240 Speaker 1: next steps for him? Where do we go from here? 75 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 1: Where does he go from here legally? And then where 76 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 1: do we go from here as Americans? And where does 77 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 1: the country go from here? You know all of that 78 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:32,000 Speaker 1: and more with Matt Whitaker. 79 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 2: Stay tuned. 80 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 1: Well, Matt, it's uh well, I would say it's good 81 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 1: to have you on this show, but we're about to 82 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 1: talk about some really depressing things. Always nice to talk 83 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 1: to you, but you know, the topics aren't great today, 84 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 1: So this is this is depressing. 85 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie. 86 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 1: I had a pint of ice cream last night while 87 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 1: I was watching the news. Just what's your general reaction 88 00:03:59,000 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 1: from all of this? 89 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, I share your experience. I didn't need a pinte 90 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 3: of ice cream. All those that I did have a 91 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 3: nice glass of wine and tried to take a minute 92 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 3: to think, you know, I spent it was it was 93 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:18,719 Speaker 3: it was an interesting day. As you can imagine, you're 94 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:21,160 Speaker 3: kind of in a similar situation where you do a 95 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:23,200 Speaker 3: lot of media and you know, you don't have a 96 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:24,839 Speaker 3: lot of time to think. You're kind of heavy what 97 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 3: you want to say, respond to the question, and then 98 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 3: you know you just no time to reflect. And yesterday 99 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:31,720 Speaker 3: it was just I was back to back to back, 100 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:35,479 Speaker 3: from radio to TV and the like, and today sort 101 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:37,839 Speaker 3: of has been the same way. But in the middle 102 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:40,039 Speaker 3: of kind of all that is when the verdict came back. 103 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 3: So you know, you go from one sort of set 104 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:46,359 Speaker 3: of the way the world is to another completely different. 105 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:48,680 Speaker 3: And the thing that surprised me is is while I 106 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 3: had thought about all the eventualities, like what if he's convicted, 107 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 3: what if he's acquitted, what if it's a hung jury, 108 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 3: all of those things, I think I was mentally prepared. 109 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:01,640 Speaker 3: I'm not sure I was emotionally prepared to kind of 110 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 3: go there and think about, you know, how much the 111 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:09,480 Speaker 3: world had changed. But I guess as I was at 112 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 3: your employer's place today, it struck me, you know, these trials, 113 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:20,039 Speaker 3: this trial in New York is very similar to the 114 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 3: impeachment number one and impeachment number two. Really, it's more 115 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 3: like that than the system of justice that I've experienced 116 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:29,920 Speaker 3: as a US Attorney and as Acting Attorney General. That 117 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:31,039 Speaker 3: would be my initial. 118 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 1: Thoughts, you know, I mean you've been there with them 119 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 1: through some of this as well. 120 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 3: Right, Yes, I was in court last week go Tuesday. 121 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 3: I saw the end of the you know, the the 122 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 3: both sides rest, and I saw the afternoon discussion and 123 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 3: debate over the what are completely nonsense jury instructions that 124 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:56,840 Speaker 3: were the basis for this jury's conviction. 125 00:05:57,440 --> 00:06:01,599 Speaker 1: I thought, obviously, it's New York City, you know, the 126 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:05,679 Speaker 1: deck was stacked against him. We've known this, but guilty 127 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:08,880 Speaker 1: on all thirty four accounts. That was a shock for me. 128 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:12,240 Speaker 1: I imagine as someone, as you just pointed out, who's 129 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:14,719 Speaker 1: been more intimately involved in this, that had been a 130 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 1: shock for you as well. 131 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:18,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, for a lot of reasons. First of all, it 132 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:21,680 Speaker 3: means they spent less than twenty minutes per count to 133 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:26,680 Speaker 3: even consider the factual basis for the conviction. You know, 134 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 3: I think I just I'm just not sure that we 135 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 3: the fix wasn't in from the start, as soon as 136 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:37,240 Speaker 3: they picked this jury, because it's clear to me that 137 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:44,919 Speaker 3: no one even attempted to speak against you know, this verdict. 138 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:49,920 Speaker 3: But I also just, Lisa, it is for me as 139 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:53,040 Speaker 3: someone that has tried cases both as a defense lawyer 140 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:56,480 Speaker 3: and as a prosecutor, I just I don't know. There 141 00:06:56,520 --> 00:07:00,200 Speaker 3: just was something that didn't seem right. It seemed like 142 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:04,479 Speaker 3: like the former president was getting railroaded into and that 143 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:08,040 Speaker 3: the judge especially was directing the jury in a certain direction, 144 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 3: and there was just no way to pull it out 145 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 3: of this kind of this train track that was kind 146 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:18,040 Speaker 3: of leaving the station. I you don't pick your analogy. 147 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 3: I guess I'm mixing my metaphors, but it is. I'm just, 148 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:23,640 Speaker 3: you know, I'm a little I'm still a little rattled. 149 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 3: I'm personally I know this man. I've worked with him, 150 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 3: I've you know he has you know, I've socialized with him, 151 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 3: I've played golf with him. I have spent a lot 152 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 3: of time around Donald Trump. And I just based on 153 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:39,240 Speaker 3: the evidence that I heard, and again, I was only 154 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 3: in the courtroom for one day. I didn't sit there 155 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 3: for the last four or five weeks, and and here 156 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:47,000 Speaker 3: all the evidence. But you know, I certainly was following 157 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 3: him very closely and following the readouts that everybody was doing, 158 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 3: and reading the summaries of the day's activities. And I 159 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:56,040 Speaker 3: just I just, you know, I cannot see that there 160 00:07:56,080 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 3: was evidence that he intentionally, you know, falsified his corporate 161 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 3: records in order to cover up another crime, which again 162 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 3: the jury didn't have to be unanimous on. So I 163 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 3: just it's it's it is so inconsistent with how I 164 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 3: thought the evidence laid out. But this is kind of 165 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:15,120 Speaker 3: this is what you get. 166 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 1: I mean, I think that's what's scary is you could 167 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 1: be convicted of thirty four felonies without knowing what the 168 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 1: other clany was right because to have elevated that misdemeanor 169 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 1: and two not only that, I mean, they didn't even 170 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 1: they weren't even successful in tying Trump to any of 171 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:35,360 Speaker 1: the falsification of the records, Like you really don't even 172 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:38,080 Speaker 1: have a misdemeanor, but let alone to elevate it to 173 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 1: a felony, and then to still to this day have 174 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:43,959 Speaker 1: no idea what that other crime he was trying to 175 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 1: commit or you know, to conceal or commit to elevate 176 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 1: it to a felony it's it's pretty remarkable to think that, 177 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:58,360 Speaker 1: you know, this is America and you know, or America today, right, 178 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:00,080 Speaker 1: not the America that we grew up in. 179 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:02,680 Speaker 3: Right. Well. And the other thing is is, let me 180 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:05,280 Speaker 3: ask you kind of a thought provoking question, at least 181 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 3: something that's been rattling around that I can't answer, and 182 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 3: that is what should he have recorded these expenses? 183 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 2: As I don't. Yeah, it's like and there was I don't. 184 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 3: I never heard the government say, oh, well he should 185 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:23,600 Speaker 3: have called them X instead of why? And remember, uh, 186 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:26,560 Speaker 3: the you know, the they were his they he wrote 187 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 3: personal checks out of his trust. They weren't out of 188 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:32,679 Speaker 3: you know, the Trump Organization's check and count even though 189 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:37,320 Speaker 3: it kind of runs through the same system. And so 190 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:40,840 Speaker 3: the only person that was defrauded or the only victim 191 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 3: was Donald Trump himself, you know. And so I I 192 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:51,440 Speaker 3: I just I'm still I'm still mystified as to how 193 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 3: I guess if you know, if you're supposed to be 194 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 3: you know, obviously, ignorance of the law is no excuse, 195 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:58,760 Speaker 3: right you've learned that law school one oh one and 196 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:02,680 Speaker 3: prosecution one one. But I think there has to be 197 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:04,720 Speaker 3: some notice that you need to know kind of what 198 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:06,559 Speaker 3: he should have done. I mean, I think for all 199 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:10,080 Speaker 3: of us that have small businesses, it's like where what 200 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:13,080 Speaker 3: you know, I thankfully I don't have to enter into 201 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:16,680 Speaker 3: non disclosure agreements. But that being said, I mean there's 202 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 3: you know, certainly expenses. You know, it's a it's uh, 203 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 3: you know, especially if you're not tax deducting these things. 204 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:25,440 Speaker 3: There was no allegation that he taxted it. In fact, 205 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 3: you know that we talked about to choose your adventure 206 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 3: kind of uh enhancement. What made him felonies was this 207 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:32,959 Speaker 3: this Chinese menu of you know, you can pick a 208 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 3: federal campaign violation of state campaign violation, a tax federal 209 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:40,960 Speaker 3: camp tax violation of state tax violation, or you know 210 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:44,440 Speaker 3: of falsification of other documents. And so I mean they 211 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 3: had all these options, and like, you know, there was 212 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:52,280 Speaker 3: no question that about that he handled mishandled this inappropriately 213 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:54,960 Speaker 3: on his taxes. There was no I don't know, it 214 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:58,560 Speaker 3: just it just seems such a foregone conclusion. That's what 215 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 3: it feels like that the was in you. 216 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:04,320 Speaker 1: Know, I think what scares me the most is, you know, 217 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:06,839 Speaker 1: I was watching the news today and you know, people 218 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 1: still trying to be like really optimistic about the future 219 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:11,960 Speaker 1: of the country and oh, it's not an American people's DNA, 220 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:12,839 Speaker 1: and but. 221 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 2: I might get but. 222 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 1: You know, maybe not the America that we grew up in, 223 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:20,400 Speaker 1: but like the America that is today. I mean, this 224 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:23,199 Speaker 1: was a jury of her peers who didn't care about 225 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 1: the rule of law, who don't care about the equal 226 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:29,720 Speaker 1: application of justice, who saw it more important to get 227 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 1: Donald Trump than to deliver actual justice. Or you look 228 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:37,080 Speaker 1: at what's happening on college campuses and you know, the 229 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:40,160 Speaker 1: jeering and the cheering for the death of Jews. Or 230 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 1: you look at the media celebrating what they did to 231 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:47,080 Speaker 1: Donald Trump and politicians on the left, and it's like, 232 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:51,679 Speaker 1: are we naive to think that America as a whole 233 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 1: is better than this? Or is this just what America 234 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 1: is today and it's time to open our eyes. 235 00:11:57,400 --> 00:11:59,320 Speaker 2: I don't know. This is That's what I've been struggling 236 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 2: with in wrestling. In my mind, I. 237 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:03,400 Speaker 3: Think that's a really good point, you know, it is. 238 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:05,960 Speaker 3: I think that those you know, one of the things 239 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 3: that I said, I guess on social media is just 240 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 3: like I'm never going to give up on the ideals 241 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:14,520 Speaker 3: of America. But you know, I grew up in a 242 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:22,560 Speaker 3: small town in Iowa, and you know, things patriotism, you know, 243 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:25,319 Speaker 3: community that just the types of things you learn in 244 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:29,280 Speaker 3: kind of the Midwest, you know, kind of Bucolic upbringing 245 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:32,400 Speaker 3: just have always resonated with me. And you're right it 246 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 3: it may be that sort of this coastal elitism in 247 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:41,400 Speaker 3: this you know, kind of the ends justify the means 248 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:43,600 Speaker 3: and all of the things that the left is kind 249 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:46,320 Speaker 3: of standing for in the in the slow march to 250 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 3: kind of a collective Marxist system, is is true? I mean, 251 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 3: I it struck me today, Lisa, and I don't know 252 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 3: if this has happened to you, but I've received several 253 00:12:56,840 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 3: text messages from friends and in groups that I'm in 254 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:05,560 Speaker 3: with people highlighting, you know, whether it's the Chinese Communist 255 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:09,160 Speaker 3: Revolution or whether it's the you know, the Russian uh 256 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:13,280 Speaker 3: you know, uh, you know Leninist you know, all of 257 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:19,640 Speaker 3: these movements where they ended up in a totalitarian dictatorship, 258 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:23,720 Speaker 3: you know, has has always kind of started to look 259 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:25,679 Speaker 3: a little bit like what we're seeing right now, where 260 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:29,720 Speaker 3: the other side is is marginalized and prosecuted and and 261 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:33,600 Speaker 3: locked up. And that's that's concerning We've. 262 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 1: Got to take a quick commercial break more with Matt 263 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:40,800 Speaker 1: Whitaker on the other side. You know, for me, during 264 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:44,480 Speaker 1: COVID was really enlightening and just is always thinking, you know, 265 00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:47,880 Speaker 1: we're free people, Americans will stand up, we won't tolerate 266 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:51,600 Speaker 1: government overreach and totalitarianism. And then the government said jump 267 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:53,600 Speaker 1: and you had libertarians even being like, well, how high 268 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:54,960 Speaker 1: do you want me to? You know, and it was 269 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:58,480 Speaker 1: really shocking to me to see a lot of people 270 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:01,000 Speaker 1: who I thought were bold and brave and freedom lovers 271 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:02,200 Speaker 1: who like just rolled over. 272 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:04,160 Speaker 2: And so it's like, I just don't know. 273 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:07,200 Speaker 1: I want to believe that Americans still have that you know, 274 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:10,560 Speaker 1: fighting spirit in them and and you know, believe in 275 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:12,960 Speaker 1: freedom and the rule of law and all these ideals 276 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 1: that make America America. But I just I don't know, 277 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:18,600 Speaker 1: Like it's hard to not it's hard to unsee what 278 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 1: we saw during COVID and then just see the reaction, uh, 279 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:23,520 Speaker 1: you know to this as well. 280 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:25,840 Speaker 3: No, and I remember, you know, I think we even 281 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:27,800 Speaker 3: might have talked about at the time where I certainly 282 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:32,080 Speaker 3: was following kind of your principled stand on you know, 283 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 3: kind of you know, your you know, your autonomy as 284 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 3: an individual and but remember if if you if you 285 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:42,440 Speaker 3: wanted to travel internationally, if you wanted to uh go 286 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 3: into your work office, if you know, all the all 287 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:47,760 Speaker 3: these things that that you thought were just kind of 288 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:50,120 Speaker 3: like your you know, your ability to do these things, 289 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 3: they were willing to to constrict and make you show 290 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:55,640 Speaker 3: a you know what amounted to a COVID pass toward 291 00:14:55,720 --> 00:15:00,520 Speaker 3: for you know, being vaccinated, which you know, to look 292 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 3: look back on that, how you know that was ridiculous? 293 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:05,160 Speaker 3: What how that's turned out? 294 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 1: Well, it was the dehumanization of people who made a 295 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 1: different choice, and you know, they treated the unvaccinated as 296 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 1: less than or even what we're witnessing with the dehumanization 297 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 1: of Trump and the dehumanization of his supporters, and you 298 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:21,200 Speaker 1: can look throughout history where that leads to nowhere good right, 299 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 1: Because if you start treating someone as subhuman and not 300 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:27,760 Speaker 1: a real person, and you start with that dehumanization, then 301 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:30,720 Speaker 1: you get what we're seeing now, where the ends always 302 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 1: justify the means that literally anything that can be done 303 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 1: to this person is okay, it is acceptable because. 304 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 2: You know, the ends justify the means. 305 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:41,200 Speaker 1: And I feel like we've kind of arrived at this 306 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:44,680 Speaker 1: point and it's kind of scary about you know where 307 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:45,600 Speaker 1: this all goes next. 308 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I think we're going to write that, aren't we. 309 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:52,120 Speaker 3: And to some extent it is a matter I guess. 310 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:53,560 Speaker 3: You know. Can I talk about one of the things 311 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:54,640 Speaker 3: I saw in the. 312 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:57,080 Speaker 2: Court absolutely that just that struck. 313 00:15:56,760 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 3: Me was, you know, we've heard a lot about kind 314 00:15:59,920 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 3: of Alvin Bragg and and and I watched you know, 315 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 3: kind of his trial team, especially this guy co Angelo, 316 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:11,960 Speaker 3: And what I saw was a true believer, someone that 317 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:16,800 Speaker 3: understood his purpose and what he has been doing is 318 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:20,080 Speaker 3: he left the Department of Justice, he understood that taking 319 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:24,440 Speaker 3: Donald Trump out, uh was was the was the calling 320 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 3: his calling. He went over to you know, Letitia James, 321 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 3: made sure that that civil case was put in place. 322 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:32,560 Speaker 3: He then went to Alvin Bragg, made sure that the 323 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 3: grand jury was convened that they went after you know, 324 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 3: all of these all of these people. Remember the reason 325 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:43,800 Speaker 3: that Judge Murshawn is on Bannon's case and Trump's case, 326 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:49,560 Speaker 3: and you know Trump's former CFO Weiselberg's case is because 327 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 3: Marshawn was the one that supervised the special grand jury 328 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 3: that co Angelo called to get to do this exactly 329 00:16:57,760 --> 00:17:00,480 Speaker 3: what's happening and so you know, I just don't think 330 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:02,880 Speaker 3: that the right, to be honest with you is fighting 331 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:06,040 Speaker 3: is hard and understanding that what the what the stakes are, 332 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:10,600 Speaker 3: and the left is uh, you know, it's kind of 333 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:13,440 Speaker 3: like what I always say about a breakfast where the 334 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 3: chicken participates, but the so, yeah, the chicken participates, but 335 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:21,239 Speaker 3: the pig is fully committed, you know it is. They 336 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:25,040 Speaker 3: are fully committed. They are all in on on taking 337 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 3: Donald Trump out off the field of play. They know 338 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:33,040 Speaker 3: that this his movement, the well you know, it's often 339 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 3: called the MAGA movement or the Make America Great Again 340 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:41,240 Speaker 3: movement is completely the antithesis of what the left's desire 341 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:43,920 Speaker 3: for the United States of America is. And so they're 342 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:47,080 Speaker 3: willing to do whatever it takes, uh to take the 343 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:49,320 Speaker 3: leader of that movement. That they believe that if they 344 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:53,400 Speaker 3: can neutralize him, silence him, muzzle him, you know, put 345 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:57,960 Speaker 3: gag him, that therefore they will stop the movement and 346 00:17:58,119 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 3: it'll be much easier to accomplish their goals in the 347 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:03,200 Speaker 3: United States. And you know, we just need to all 348 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:06,480 Speaker 3: realize the rallying call that the you know, the alarm 349 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:08,360 Speaker 3: bells are going off and we need to respond. 350 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:11,679 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm fully convinced, to be perfectly honest, that 351 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:13,400 Speaker 1: they're going to try to put him in jail or 352 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 1: under house arrest. I mean, if they've gone this far, 353 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:20,119 Speaker 1: you know, they they they have blinders on in the 354 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:22,720 Speaker 1: sense of I don't I think they're beyond caring about 355 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:25,320 Speaker 1: what the reaction or response is from the American people. 356 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:28,520 Speaker 1: Their sole intent is to get him, and I'm fully 357 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:32,639 Speaker 1: convinced that, especially with the thirty four felon accounts, that 358 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:35,200 Speaker 1: Marshawn's going to put him in jail or on utter 359 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:37,040 Speaker 1: house arrest and they're going to try to take him 360 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:39,679 Speaker 1: off the playing field. That is, I'm convinced of it. 361 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:42,439 Speaker 1: I mean, I hope I'm wrong, because that's terrible, but 362 00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:44,520 Speaker 1: I just I have this gut feeling. 363 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:47,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know that there are a few voices 364 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:50,399 Speaker 3: on the left that are speaking out on this. You know, 365 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:55,400 Speaker 3: I read what's his name, Ellie, Ellie Honing. I don't 366 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 3: actually know. 367 00:18:55,760 --> 00:18:58,919 Speaker 2: How SNN Yeah, Yeah, he's reasonable, how. 368 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:03,439 Speaker 3: Brave he is to write article that says, essentially, you know, 369 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:06,040 Speaker 3: you may have won, but you didn't do justice and 370 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:10,399 Speaker 3: this is not how prosecutors should conduct their business. And 371 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:13,320 Speaker 3: we don't violate people's constitutional rights like we did. Donald Trump. 372 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:15,520 Speaker 3: I mean, that's brave, that's bold. But you know, good 373 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:16,800 Speaker 3: luck staying employed there. 374 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:21,680 Speaker 1: Well hopefully, you know, maybe Fox because he was very 375 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:25,840 Speaker 1: reasonable during you know, and very honest. I keep hearing 376 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 1: that Trump's going to be able to appeel this, But 377 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:31,919 Speaker 1: I mean, why should we have any faith in the 378 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:34,200 Speaker 1: New York judicial system at this point? 379 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:38,240 Speaker 3: We don't. Yeah, I've been very skeptical. I agree, totally 380 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:40,119 Speaker 3: agree with you, Lisa. I mean, these people are appointed 381 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:45,840 Speaker 3: by Cuomo and Hocal and confirmed by the Senate, which 382 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:48,680 Speaker 3: is a bunch of you know, liberal wack of doodles. 383 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:52,399 Speaker 3: I just don't think he's going to get much justice. 384 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:56,040 Speaker 3: But the thing that I predict is in order to 385 00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:59,920 Speaker 3: uphold this conviction, you're going to see some really bad 386 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:05,000 Speaker 3: a legal precedent in New York easily reversed by the U. S. 387 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:08,800 Speaker 3: Supreme Court. Because these are there are many federal interests, 388 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:10,480 Speaker 3: and you know, one of the things, one of the 389 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:13,280 Speaker 3: things that you know needs to be pointed out, you know, 390 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:16,159 Speaker 3: and I think you know this, but maybe some of 391 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:19,560 Speaker 3: your listeners don't, is this is the first time that 392 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:25,040 Speaker 3: a state has ever tried to enforce federal election campaign laws. 393 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:30,840 Speaker 3: It's never happened. It's again the supremacy clauses in the 394 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:34,119 Speaker 3: US constitutions to suggests that that they can't. And in 395 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:36,840 Speaker 3: any other case where it would happen, the Department of 396 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:40,359 Speaker 3: Justice would be jumping in filing motions in the court 397 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:45,640 Speaker 3: trying to intercede saying you can't enforce Federal Election Campaign 398 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:49,640 Speaker 3: Act violations like they did in this jury instruction. And 399 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:51,359 Speaker 3: you know, again, like we don't know whether or not 400 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:55,000 Speaker 3: that was the reason for this conviction because the judge 401 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:59,920 Speaker 3: didn't make them be unanimous on that underlying predicate offense. 402 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:03,960 Speaker 3: So but there's going to be there's this this is 403 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:06,600 Speaker 3: going to have consequences and it and it may not 404 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:09,760 Speaker 3: end up well for the left, like it never does, 405 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:12,359 Speaker 3: kind of like the nuclear option didn't in the Senate, 406 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:16,120 Speaker 3: and you know, and many other you know, again, ends 407 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:19,159 Speaker 3: justify the means decisions that the left always tries to 408 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:21,600 Speaker 3: make because when they have power, they try to fully 409 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:23,080 Speaker 3: take advantage of it. 410 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:26,640 Speaker 1: I mean, what's the timeline in terms of obviously he'll 411 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:30,680 Speaker 1: he'll try to appeal. I think it's with the first 412 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:33,600 Speaker 1: to an intermediate appellate court, the first judicial Department of 413 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:36,600 Speaker 1: New York's Appellate Division, and then he can take it 414 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:40,040 Speaker 1: to New York's highest court, the Court of Appeals, and 415 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:43,040 Speaker 1: then followed by the Supreme Court, as you mentioned, So 416 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:45,200 Speaker 1: what a Supreme Court or US Supreme Court? Yes, sorry, 417 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:48,720 Speaker 1: US Supreme Court, thank you. So you know what's what's 418 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:51,440 Speaker 1: a time? You know, how how expedited can you make 419 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 1: that legally? And like kind of what what does that 420 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:55,480 Speaker 1: look like? 421 00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:59,160 Speaker 3: Well? I mean once once they file their appeal, which 422 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:02,040 Speaker 3: they have thirty days to do after this this judgment, 423 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:05,680 Speaker 3: then then it's kind of out of their hands. Typically, 424 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:10,280 Speaker 3: these courts of Appeals are very luxurious in their timelines 425 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:12,840 Speaker 3: and their and their and their schedules. They can ask 426 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:17,640 Speaker 3: for expedited review. I can't imagine these New York judges 427 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:22,639 Speaker 3: being sympathetic to that or or wanting to get this 428 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:27,639 Speaker 3: resolved before November's election. Can I just you know one thing, Lisa, 429 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:30,960 Speaker 3: this is going to sound very as a as a 430 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:34,240 Speaker 3: kid from the province is very naive, But I just 431 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:36,359 Speaker 3: it has always annoyed me that New York calls his 432 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:38,440 Speaker 3: trial court the Supreme Court. I just want to get 433 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:39,199 Speaker 3: that on the record. 434 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:42,959 Speaker 2: You know what this is, This is a we are 435 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:44,640 Speaker 2: this is a therapy session. 436 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:45,240 Speaker 3: We are. 437 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:50,680 Speaker 1: Working through our feelings right now, as as is the audience. 438 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:53,159 Speaker 2: I'm sure everyone's feeling, you know. 439 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:56,680 Speaker 1: I guess the good thing that I see, which there's 440 00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:59,679 Speaker 1: not a lot at this current moment, which kind of 441 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:01,399 Speaker 1: this was always my fear with what they're going to 442 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:03,920 Speaker 1: try to do with Trump, with him being the nominee, 443 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,920 Speaker 1: and in fairness, I don't know if you know, I 444 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:09,160 Speaker 1: love Desanta as as governor, but you know, I think 445 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:11,320 Speaker 1: Trump dummon started if he's a better candidate, and I 446 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:13,320 Speaker 1: think even in all of this is probably the better 447 00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:15,560 Speaker 1: at the stronger candidate in general election. But my biggest 448 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:16,960 Speaker 1: fear of the entire time was that they're going to 449 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:19,399 Speaker 1: put him in jail. And then I got optimistic for 450 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:22,000 Speaker 1: a while because it looked like he was beating the system, 451 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:24,600 Speaker 1: and then after this, it's just takes me back to 452 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:27,040 Speaker 1: where I was before. But the good news, some of 453 00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:29,920 Speaker 1: the silver lining we're saying is that there does seem 454 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:32,680 Speaker 1: to be sort of like a Kavanaugh effect happening right now, 455 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:36,000 Speaker 1: where you've got Senator Susan Collins, who is you know, 456 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 1: basically a Democrat, just extremely moderate but stood really strong 457 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 1: during Kavanaugh because you know, at least to her credit, 458 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:44,920 Speaker 1: would she sees something that's so fundamentally wrong she does 459 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:47,960 Speaker 1: stand up, or even Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, who we 460 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:52,240 Speaker 1: all know despises Donald Trump, has stepped up a little bit. 461 00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:54,160 Speaker 1: And then you know, then we look at the fundraising 462 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:57,080 Speaker 1: impact of this and Trump's team raising almost you know, 463 00:23:57,119 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 1: thirty five million dollars in small dollar fundraising and less 464 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:02,359 Speaker 1: than twenty four hours. So there does seem to be 465 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:06,480 Speaker 1: at least a galvanizing impact where at least Republicans and 466 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:10,679 Speaker 1: hopefully some Independents are rallying around President Trump. 467 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:12,359 Speaker 2: I mean, what do you see with all of that? 468 00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:17,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think anecdotally certainly. You know, these data points 469 00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:22,560 Speaker 3: are are a big deal. You know, small dollar donors 470 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:27,040 Speaker 3: are the lifeblood of especially presidential campaigns. All those people 471 00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:31,040 Speaker 3: can be converted hopefully to volunteers and really you know, 472 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:34,399 Speaker 3: accomplish great things. You know, you're also seeing sort of 473 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:39,320 Speaker 3: the business community come together as well, understanding kind of 474 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:42,000 Speaker 3: you know, what is actually at stake and how they 475 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:44,720 Speaker 3: the left is kind of going after Donald Trump and 476 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:51,560 Speaker 3: the fact that they're exposed too substantially similar threats from 477 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:55,760 Speaker 3: from an over aggressive state that you know, if you 478 00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 3: fall out of favor or somehow not liked. Certainly there 479 00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:01,320 Speaker 3: are industries. I mean, this is one of the big 480 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:05,119 Speaker 3: arguments for the central bank digital currency and why we 481 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 3: need to fight against that and pass laws to make 482 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,119 Speaker 3: sure it doesn't happen, because you could once you have 483 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:13,320 Speaker 3: a digital currency run by the Fed, they can determine 484 00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:15,479 Speaker 3: who can and can't be on the system, who can 485 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:18,639 Speaker 3: and can't spend the money, who can and can't, you know, 486 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:20,959 Speaker 3: essentially participate in the economy. So I mean, all of 487 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:25,119 Speaker 3: this is not Orwellian at all, and that's what scares 488 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:26,440 Speaker 3: me and I at least that you go back to 489 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:29,199 Speaker 3: the COVID. It's the same idea, you know, it was. 490 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:32,520 Speaker 3: It was very Orwellian what they did, but they did 491 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:34,439 Speaker 3: it to your point, and all of a sudden, what 492 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:37,840 Speaker 3: we thought were our liberties and freedoms and our constitutional 493 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:40,919 Speaker 3: rights all a sudden became subject to the you know, 494 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:45,359 Speaker 3: collective will of the you know, nameless, faceless bureaucrats oftentimes 495 00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:48,280 Speaker 3: in Washington, d C. Or in our state capitals. And 496 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:51,040 Speaker 3: so that was that was certainly a wake up call. 497 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:54,639 Speaker 3: But I fear that we're just you know, we we 498 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:58,400 Speaker 3: have a generation that doesn't even like hasn't even learned 499 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:02,600 Speaker 3: some of these principles and just kind of go along 500 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:06,240 Speaker 3: and don't understand that the power political power resides in 501 00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:07,880 Speaker 3: the individual and not in the government. 502 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:09,919 Speaker 2: We've got more with Matt Whittaker. 503 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:13,280 Speaker 1: But first, since the terror attacks on October seventh, anti 504 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:16,280 Speaker 1: Semitism has been on the rise, not just in Israel 505 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:18,320 Speaker 1: but here at home, in the United States and around 506 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:21,159 Speaker 1: the world. That's why I have partnered with the International 507 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:24,560 Speaker 1: Fellowship of Christians and Jews, and today I am coming 508 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:27,080 Speaker 1: to you, my audience, to ask that you stand with 509 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:30,520 Speaker 1: us in IFCJ to raise your voice, just as Oscar 510 00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:34,560 Speaker 1: Schindler and Corey ten Boom did. This pledge is asking 511 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:37,159 Speaker 1: Christians to stand with their Jewish brothers and sisters, to 512 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:40,000 Speaker 1: never be silent, to show the Jewish people that they 513 00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:43,760 Speaker 1: are not alone, they have God and Christians on their side. 514 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:46,199 Speaker 1: For the month of June, we are asking Christians to 515 00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:49,040 Speaker 1: sign this pledge, which will be delivered to the President 516 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:51,240 Speaker 1: of Israel, to show that Christians in America are not 517 00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:54,080 Speaker 1: only standing in solidarity, but they are speaking up too. 518 00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:56,879 Speaker 1: Let's take a stand today with the International Fellowship of 519 00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:59,280 Speaker 1: Christians and Jews to let the Jewish people know that 520 00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:02,200 Speaker 1: they're not alone, to sign the pledge, go to support 521 00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:06,760 Speaker 1: IFCJ dot org, support IFCJ dot org to take a 522 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:12,760 Speaker 1: stand today. This scary thing about, you know, because they 523 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,160 Speaker 1: keep hearing people talk like, oh, the Constitution, the Constitution. 524 00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:20,760 Speaker 1: But it's like, what does the Constitution matter if like 525 00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:24,320 Speaker 1: fifty percent or you know, even let's say forty percent 526 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:27,359 Speaker 1: of the country have no reverence for it, you know, 527 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:29,520 Speaker 1: they viewed as a piece of paper. It's nothing to them, right, 528 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:33,320 Speaker 1: And like and that number keeps increasing as these you know, 529 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:36,640 Speaker 1: indoctrination camps, which are college campuses across the country keep 530 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:38,280 Speaker 1: turning out these crazy people. 531 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:41,800 Speaker 2: So it's like, what does that mean if no one 532 00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:42,400 Speaker 2: you know. 533 00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:45,520 Speaker 1: Has any reference for it or treats it with no respect, 534 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:47,960 Speaker 1: or you know, doesn't look at it as a meaningful 535 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:50,560 Speaker 1: you know, when it doesn't matter to them, right, So 536 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:51,720 Speaker 1: it's like, what does it mean? 537 00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:56,840 Speaker 3: Well, and why wasn't every law professor in every single 538 00:27:57,080 --> 00:28:01,560 Speaker 3: university in college around the United States flipping their minds 539 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:06,040 Speaker 3: when when Donald Trump's Fifth Amendment right to being notified 540 00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:09,280 Speaker 3: of the charges against him wasn't happening. You know, why 541 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:12,000 Speaker 3: why weren't they? You know, where where are the statesmen 542 00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:15,000 Speaker 3: and states women? Where are the people that stand up? 543 00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:19,520 Speaker 3: I mean, that's why I guess I point out Ellie, 544 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:21,720 Speaker 3: right name, Elie Eli. 545 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:26,560 Speaker 1: I think actually I think it's anyways, we like you, Eli, 546 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,600 Speaker 1: Ellie whoever you are, yes out to us and. 547 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:33,639 Speaker 3: Let us know how to pronounce your name. But you know, 548 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:36,800 Speaker 3: I don't think I ever met him in my brief 549 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:41,440 Speaker 3: four month of contributorship at CNN, so I anyway, my 550 00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:45,680 Speaker 3: point is is that you know that these voices, these 551 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:49,400 Speaker 3: voices that should you know that that can vehemently oppose 552 00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:55,080 Speaker 3: on policy grounds. Donald Trump still understand that he's entitled 553 00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:59,240 Speaker 3: to certain fundamental constitutional rights and they can't be violated 554 00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:02,960 Speaker 3: by a state court judge who is a political donor 555 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:07,440 Speaker 3: to his political opponent. It just it's it's such an outrage. 556 00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:10,640 Speaker 3: I'm you know, and and and and that's the hard 557 00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:13,640 Speaker 3: thing for somebody like me that you know, it's fundamentally 558 00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:16,440 Speaker 3: you know, I'm a Christian first, a conservative second and 559 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:21,200 Speaker 3: third or Republican in that order. I just you know, 560 00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:24,200 Speaker 3: I just I think you have to stand up for justice. 561 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:26,880 Speaker 3: And it always looks the same. Justice should always look 562 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,400 Speaker 3: the same, no matter whether you're Hunter Biden or Donald 563 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:31,680 Speaker 3: Trump or you know, Donald Smith. 564 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:36,240 Speaker 1: Well, it's like, I mean, you can easily see why 565 00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:40,280 Speaker 1: all of our foundations are falling apart when are founding 566 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:44,080 Speaker 1: document isn't respected anymore, you know, because it's like it's 567 00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:47,640 Speaker 1: like everything that keeps this country together. If the basis 568 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:51,160 Speaker 1: of it is irrelevant to you know, growing percentage of people, 569 00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:52,880 Speaker 1: then the rest of it falls apart. You know, the 570 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:56,480 Speaker 1: foundation is broken, and so everything else on top of 571 00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:59,440 Speaker 1: it is falling apart. 572 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:01,400 Speaker 2: And there, you know, but. 573 00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:07,760 Speaker 1: I don't know, I mean, any anything books you can 574 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:12,280 Speaker 1: say right now, you know, yes, actually please. 575 00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:13,560 Speaker 2: No. 576 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:16,800 Speaker 3: I am I'm a I'm a hopeful person. I'm an 577 00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:21,400 Speaker 3: optimist at heart. I do believe that our best days 578 00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:23,600 Speaker 3: are ahead of us. You know, we have had dark days, 579 00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,920 Speaker 3: and the history of the United States of America, on average, 580 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:31,520 Speaker 3: most great republics, most great you know countries, superpowers have 581 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:34,120 Speaker 3: endured for about two hundred and fifty years. And this 582 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:37,440 Speaker 3: is our time of challenge and a time for choosing. 583 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,560 Speaker 3: And I think people will stand up and defend the 584 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:43,960 Speaker 3: principles that we have always stood for and would have 585 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:47,840 Speaker 3: made us great, but you know, certainly our adversaries are 586 00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:52,520 Speaker 3: watching this very carefully and understanding that, you know, our 587 00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:56,160 Speaker 3: biggest threat is from within, not from without. But all 588 00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:58,560 Speaker 3: that being said is, you know, I do think that 589 00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:03,080 Speaker 3: this is a woken a lot of people that are 590 00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:05,719 Speaker 3: having exact same discussion you and I are having. I'm 591 00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:07,360 Speaker 3: sure that people that are listening to this are shaking 592 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:10,480 Speaker 3: their hands and say yeah, yeah. And you know, my 593 00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:13,720 Speaker 3: answer is the reason that I'm optimist is because I 594 00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:16,680 Speaker 3: think most Americans understand that now is the time to 595 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,680 Speaker 3: do more than they've ever done in order to save 596 00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:22,240 Speaker 3: the Republic and make sure that we have another two 597 00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:24,160 Speaker 3: hundred and fifty years of greatness. 598 00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:27,160 Speaker 1: I may well say that I think if anyone can 599 00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:29,920 Speaker 1: get through this, it's Donald Trump. I mean, the fact 600 00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:32,760 Speaker 1: that the man is still standing after everything that they've 601 00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:36,320 Speaker 1: tried to put him through is truly remarkable. I mean, 602 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:40,120 Speaker 1: I would not be able to withstand everything that he has, 603 00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:43,600 Speaker 1: So if anyone could do it, it's that guy. But 604 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:46,520 Speaker 1: it's I mean, what they've put him through, and I'm 605 00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:48,040 Speaker 1: sure the toll that it's had on him and his 606 00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:53,080 Speaker 1: family is just disgraceful and excusable and on American. 607 00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:56,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, but he eats just like an energy bar. I mean, 608 00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:58,320 Speaker 3: this is the thing is, if you think about it, 609 00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:00,880 Speaker 3: before he ever got into politics, a billionaire with his 610 00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:04,240 Speaker 3: own private plane and his own helicopters and golf courses, 611 00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:08,640 Speaker 3: and and you know, he he knows what he's sacrificing, 612 00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:10,880 Speaker 3: and at the same time, he's willing to do that. 613 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:12,600 Speaker 3: And so I think we should all, you know, take 614 00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:14,760 Speaker 3: the lead from that and be willing to sacrifice in 615 00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:16,920 Speaker 3: order to save you know, the republic. 616 00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:22,240 Speaker 1: No, we've got to stand behind him. And it's this 617 00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:25,920 Speaker 1: is obviously not just about him, but about the country 618 00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:28,520 Speaker 1: and the future of you know, I don't have kids yet. 619 00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:30,640 Speaker 1: It's about when I do have kids, hopefully, God willing, 620 00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,320 Speaker 1: It's what kind of country they grow up in, you know, 621 00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:36,320 Speaker 1: or anyone listening who has children, our grandchildren or whatever. 622 00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:37,680 Speaker 1: It's you know, what kind of country do you want 623 00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:42,400 Speaker 1: them to grow up in? Because this is not sustainable 624 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:46,320 Speaker 1: to be a free people the direction we're heading in. 625 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:48,520 Speaker 3: So but it can all turn around, you know, it 626 00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:51,800 Speaker 3: can all turn around. It will. November twenty twenty four 627 00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:55,040 Speaker 3: is going to obviously set the course. Another four years 628 00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:57,960 Speaker 3: to Joe Biden would be an absolute disaster. I mean, 629 00:32:58,400 --> 00:32:59,960 Speaker 3: obviously it's not going to be four years a Joe 630 00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:03,160 Speaker 3: Biden because he's not going to make it. You know, 631 00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:04,920 Speaker 3: he might be able to make it through the election, 632 00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:08,080 Speaker 3: but you know, he's just I was watching him today, 633 00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:11,120 Speaker 3: he's just he's deteriorating. It's it's sad that that that 634 00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:15,200 Speaker 3: people behind him keep trotting him out hoping he'll do better. 635 00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:18,120 Speaker 2: But do you think it will ever be the same? 636 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,640 Speaker 1: Like, I don't think there's any going back to like 637 00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:24,240 Speaker 1: the America. I mean because even if you look at 638 00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:26,440 Speaker 1: like how much your country has changed, just like the 639 00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:28,680 Speaker 1: centralization of God, Like this is not the country that 640 00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:32,320 Speaker 1: our founders envisioned, right, Like it just isn't. We aren't 641 00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:35,920 Speaker 1: the constitutional republic that they sought to devise and that 642 00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,200 Speaker 1: they devised. And so it's like, I don't think there's 643 00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:41,160 Speaker 1: any going back. My hope and my prayers are that 644 00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:44,520 Speaker 1: we can at least have a better society than the 645 00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:46,680 Speaker 1: one we're living in, in a more affairs society. But like, 646 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:48,200 Speaker 1: I don't know if we'ever you know what I mean, Like, 647 00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:50,080 Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know if it's possible to. 648 00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:52,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, I actually, you know, so again, I want to 649 00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:55,880 Speaker 3: be wrong wrong, I'm going to show that I'm gonna 650 00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,040 Speaker 3: optim I mean, I think with some of the recent 651 00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:02,360 Speaker 3: Supreme Court precedent on whether it was the epa versus 652 00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:05,040 Speaker 3: West Virginia, some of the other things that get to 653 00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:12,520 Speaker 3: the core of dismantling the powers that the administrative state 654 00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:15,120 Speaker 3: has tried to take. I do think you're going to 655 00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:20,160 Speaker 3: see a rollback and a and a reallocation of political 656 00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:26,480 Speaker 3: power into Congress, which is what our founders intended. So 657 00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:30,640 Speaker 3: but but if Joe Biden wins in twenty four and 658 00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:34,399 Speaker 3: Democrats have any kind of majority in both the House 659 00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:37,520 Speaker 3: and the Senate, you'll see them start packing the Supreme 660 00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:40,120 Speaker 3: Court and start undoing all of that. So, I mean 661 00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:43,400 Speaker 3: that the battle is in front of us, but you know, 662 00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:47,240 Speaker 3: it certainly is going to need to be one because 663 00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:50,840 Speaker 3: you know, everybody the left, like I guess to my 664 00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:53,080 Speaker 3: point is the left understands what's at stake, and they 665 00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:56,120 Speaker 3: have a plan, and you know we need to rise 666 00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:57,560 Speaker 3: to the same challenge. 667 00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:00,480 Speaker 1: I also think it's incumbent upon a Republican veners to 668 00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:05,080 Speaker 1: assert states rights and to fight back that way as well, 669 00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:08,280 Speaker 1: and to try to decentralize the federal government's power through states. 670 00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:11,240 Speaker 2: But I digress. 671 00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,080 Speaker 1: Well, Matt Whittaker, I really appreciate it. I know it's 672 00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:16,239 Speaker 1: been a long week for you. I've seen you on 673 00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:19,880 Speaker 1: camera for you know, You've you've been You've been a 674 00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,440 Speaker 1: busy guy, and I'm sure this has been emotionally draining 675 00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:24,520 Speaker 1: as well. I know that you're friends with the President 676 00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:28,040 Speaker 1: and you know you're we're in his administration, and so uh, 677 00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:29,960 Speaker 1: you know, I know that this is you're probably heavy 678 00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:32,880 Speaker 1: hearted today. So I appreciate the honesty and the discussion 679 00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:34,919 Speaker 1: that you know we're able to have and the insight 680 00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:38,360 Speaker 1: they no, of course not I'll go down with the ship, 681 00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,000 Speaker 1: but if hopefully if we don't have to. But you know, 682 00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:44,719 Speaker 1: Matt Whittaker, I appreciate you. Always great to have you on. 683 00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:46,640 Speaker 3: I always enjoyed being with you anytime, Lisa. 684 00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:50,640 Speaker 1: That was Matt Whittaker, former acting US Attorney General for 685 00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:54,560 Speaker 1: President Trump, also the host of Liberty and Justice podcast. 686 00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:57,920 Speaker 1: I appreciate him making the time to have that sober conversation. 687 00:35:58,080 --> 00:35:59,799 Speaker 2: I mean, I know that none of this stuff is fun. 688 00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:02,160 Speaker 1: It's it's word a really depressing time, but you know, 689 00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:04,000 Speaker 1: it's important to tell the truth and to try to 690 00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:06,719 Speaker 1: get insight and different perspectives from people, and to have 691 00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:09,000 Speaker 1: the conversations that you guys are probably having at home 692 00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:10,600 Speaker 1: with your friends and your family as well. 693 00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:13,240 Speaker 2: So appreciate you guys for taking the time to listen. 694 00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:15,120 Speaker 1: Appreciate Matt for taking the time to come on the show, 695 00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:18,040 Speaker 1: Appreciate John Cassio and my producer for putting the show 696 00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:20,520 Speaker 1: together every Monday and Thursday, but you can listen throughout 697 00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:21,640 Speaker 1: the week until next time.