1 00:00:08,280 --> 00:00:10,280 Speaker 1: It would help me all on so much, you know. 2 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:12,600 Speaker 1: I mean, we're a wonderful city, we have so much 3 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:15,120 Speaker 1: going on for us. But I just, you know, my 4 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:17,479 Speaker 1: dream is it's a great city and it's not a 5 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:20,799 Speaker 1: great city when like we're saying, I mean not every 6 00:00:20,840 --> 00:00:24,599 Speaker 1: man and woman in this community has a path to 7 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 1: really live American dream. Hello, and welcome to Saber. I'm 8 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:31,000 Speaker 1: any Rest and I'm Lauren foc Obam and today we're 9 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:37,360 Speaker 1: talking about issues around food access and food law, not 10 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 1: that kind of law or not really. The Law and 11 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 1: Order franchise has really neglected exploring food law. So spinoff idea. 12 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 1: You're welcome. We're expecting our fair share of the profits. Yes, 13 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:53,880 Speaker 1: I somehow have defied the laws of space and time 14 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 1: and never seen an episode of Law and Order or 15 00:00:56,840 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 1: any of its ilk How good question. I don't know. 16 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:07,119 Speaker 1: Suddenly I'm like, how have I managed this? But I'm 17 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:10,160 Speaker 1: fairly certain we're going to be tackling something different than 18 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:13,119 Speaker 1: your average Law and Order episode. The court you heard 19 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:16,199 Speaker 1: at the top is from Dicky Brennan, whose family owns 20 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:20,160 Speaker 1: fifteen restaurants in New Orleans collectively. It illustrates part of 21 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 1: what we're going to get into today how the food 22 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:26,200 Speaker 1: industry and the infrastructure of food interacts with the communities 23 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:29,679 Speaker 1: it serves or doesn't serve, and how we can change 24 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:34,760 Speaker 1: those things, either through the law or initiatives within the industry. Specifically, 25 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 1: we're getting into issues around water, education, and not only 26 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 1: food access, but access to food that's good for us. UM. 27 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:47,480 Speaker 1: These are large conversations, UM and yes are certainly happening 28 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:51,280 Speaker 1: in New Orleans, but also nationally and globally. They're also 29 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:57,000 Speaker 1: intensely connected to conversations around social and economic inequality at large. UM. 30 00:01:57,040 --> 00:02:00,400 Speaker 1: These are intersectional issues that have developed out of whole 31 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 1: host of variables. Lauren and I are no experts in 32 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:08,400 Speaker 1: the law, so we found someone to speak with who 33 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:11,640 Speaker 1: is My name is Pepper Bowen. I am a food 34 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 1: and water attorney in New Orleans. I'm founding director of 35 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 1: Culinaria Center for Food, Law, Policy and Culture. I am 36 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:22,360 Speaker 1: also chair of the Neurons Food Policy Advisory Committee, which 37 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:25,440 Speaker 1: you see official policy organization for the City of New 38 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 1: Orleans by resolution from the City Council. What What What What? Indeed, 39 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 1: Pepper is a wealth of knowledge UM, and she brought 40 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:37,920 Speaker 1: us to a really excellent little restaurant for her interview 41 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:41,839 Speaker 1: Cafe Porscha and Snowbar. Y'all check them out. But yes, Um, 42 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:45,240 Speaker 1: similar to many of our other interviewees in New Orleans, 43 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 1: her path to this career was winding. I would say, 44 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 1: we've been talking about her childhood food memories, and then 45 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:55,240 Speaker 1: I asked her how she came to focus on food 46 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 1: law and policy. So interestingly enough, I had kids in 47 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:03,080 Speaker 1: my own and the first one, right, the one that 48 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:05,639 Speaker 1: you take all the time with and you you well, 49 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 1: and I'm taype A. So it would have happened at 50 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:11,160 Speaker 1: some point anyhow, but but it became really a super 51 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 1: important not only family uh that you know, he knew 52 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:17,240 Speaker 1: who his family was and where he came from, because 53 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 1: there's a very strong sense of identity that comes with 54 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 1: that cohesion across generation, but also that every experience was 55 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 1: an amazing experience. Right. So there are very few things 56 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:32,119 Speaker 1: that you actually do need to live. Food is one 57 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:34,360 Speaker 1: of them. And there's not a whole lot that you 58 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 1: can do to improve the quality of a drink or 59 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 1: the complexities of drinks for infants. Uh there, that's all right. 60 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 1: Air just kind of happens to be what it is, unless, 61 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 1: of course, you live next to some sort of petroleum plant, 62 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 1: and that's a different conversation. But food, food is the 63 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 1: one thing that is across culture, gender hierarchy. Everybody eats, 64 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 1: and whether you are eating something that is amazing or 65 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 1: something that is just this side of trash itself is 66 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 1: really up to you. And so because every experience for 67 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 1: this little bundle of goog is going to be a 68 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:19,280 Speaker 1: new one, I wanted for them all to be incredible, right. 69 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:25,240 Speaker 1: So um, then I sort of stumbled back ass words 70 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:30,920 Speaker 1: into a place that seems to be a road less traveled. 71 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 1: So more around policy and how to make the rules 72 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:39,800 Speaker 1: as opposed to just following them and writing laws and 73 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 1: legislation as opposed to just figuring out which ones we 74 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 1: can avoid. Each choice got me closer, But I don't 75 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:49,520 Speaker 1: really know why I was making all those choices. It's 76 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:53,919 Speaker 1: not where I started I can relate. I am also 77 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 1: in a career I never would have predicted, y'all. I 78 00:04:56,960 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 1: spent a lot of my childhood like loudly informing adults 79 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 1: it I was not there for their entertainment, um and 80 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 1: that I would not put myself on display. Uh yeah, 81 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 1: my photoshoot on Saturday went great, but anyway, One of 82 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 1: the things that the Pepper works on is food access 83 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 1: and food security. These two are related but separate things. 84 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 1: Food access is simply or complexly, your ability to get 85 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:25,800 Speaker 1: your hands on enough food to keep you going um 86 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 1: and hopefully to nourish you. This means having stores or 87 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:31,800 Speaker 1: shops within a distance that you can easily travel to 88 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:34,719 Speaker 1: that sell nutritious foods at a price at which you 89 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 1: can afford. Pepper broke down the difference between that and 90 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 1: food security for us. Food access, for those who don't know, 91 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 1: is the ability to get to food right. So that 92 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 1: would be food, healthy food that allows you to sustain 93 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:53,159 Speaker 1: life you and your family. Of food security is the 94 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:56,599 Speaker 1: constant access to food. Now, what people don't recognize is 95 00:05:56,600 --> 00:06:00,120 Speaker 1: that it's it's it's distinguished from food access and that 96 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:03,160 Speaker 1: it may be cyclical. So um for those of us 97 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:08,839 Speaker 1: who have been to UH Institutes of higher learning, think finals. Right, 98 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:12,600 Speaker 1: So you are after Thanksgiving, your parents who are just like, 99 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 1: I'm not playing you home twice. You're getting to the 100 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:21,799 Speaker 1: end of your meal plan, and you know, you start 101 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:25,039 Speaker 1: pulling funds together, you and your roommate and we're really 102 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 1: good friends because there's not enough money that's food insecurity, right, 103 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 1: So it comes in waves. It's not that you always 104 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:34,359 Speaker 1: don't have enough, but that at some points you just 105 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 1: really need to figure out some kind of way to 106 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 1: make ends meet. And fast forward that into an adult 107 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 1: life where it's you, maybe a partner, a couple of kids, 108 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:47,360 Speaker 1: that becomes far more crucial, mainly because the money that 109 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:51,599 Speaker 1: you're pulling with your partner, you're already pulling that money 110 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 1: where your partner and if there's not enough to feed 111 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:57,160 Speaker 1: the family, then that becomes something that's more dire. And 112 00:06:57,200 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 1: that's when we find folks who have all time jobs 113 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:04,680 Speaker 1: who were still eating at the shelters or going to 114 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 1: what people affectionately called soup kitchens because they're just not 115 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 1: making enough to to sustain themselves shelter, food, and clothing. Right. 116 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 1: So the work that is being done here is multi faceted, 117 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:23,320 Speaker 1: and the reasons that they are multi faceted is because 118 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 1: we have finally gotten I hope, to a place where 119 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 1: we understand that food and in fact, no problem can 120 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 1: be addressed in a silo, and that they were all 121 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 1: interconnected in many, many ways. In the United States, as 122 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 1: of seen, eleven point two percent of households were food insecure. 123 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 1: That's forty million people, six point five million children. Seven 124 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 1: point three percent of households had low food security, meaning 125 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 1: they used various coping strategies like Federal Food Assistant programs 126 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 1: are community food pantries to avoid major disruption to their diet, 127 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 1: and four point five percent with very low food security 128 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:05,720 Speaker 1: meaning one or more family members experienced disruption at different 129 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 1: times throughout the year due to lack of resources. The 130 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:12,240 Speaker 1: percentage of people living with food insecurity in Louisiana is 131 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:17,400 Speaker 1: higher than the country's average, way higher um. Between fifteen 132 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 1: and seventeen, around seventeen percent of Louisiana households were food 133 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 1: insecure and seven percent of households experienced very low food security. 134 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:34,199 Speaker 1: That seven percent is higher than any other state and worse. 135 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 1: These numbers have been trending up over the past decade. 136 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 1: As you can imagine, a Hurricane Katrina did exacerbate the situation. 137 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 1: A continuing study out of two Lane tracked this. Existing 138 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:49,559 Speaker 1: disparities between New Orleans neighborhoods widened as the city recovered 139 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 1: from the hurricane. Before Katrina around two thousand four, predominantly 140 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 1: African American neighborhoods in the city were slightly less likely 141 00:08:57,040 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 1: to have access to a supermarket. Around like thirty eight 142 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 1: percent didn't compared with around three percent in racially mixed neighborhoods. 143 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 1: In two thousand seven, two years after the storm, of 144 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:11,679 Speaker 1: those African American neighborhoods lacked a supermarket compared with fifty 145 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:15,800 Speaker 1: of other neighborhoods. It wasn't until four years after the 146 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 1: storm that access returned to normal levels, and while racially 147 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:24,200 Speaker 1: mixed neighborhoods have been improving since then, good show um 148 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:29,680 Speaker 1: black neighborhoods haven't really um as often. Percent of African 149 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:33,079 Speaker 1: American areas still did not have supermarket access, while the 150 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:36,559 Speaker 1: percentage for racially mixed neighborhoods without one had declined to only. 151 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:41,240 Speaker 1: Another term that comes up a lot in this conversation 152 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:45,240 Speaker 1: is food dessert, first used by policymakers in the UK 153 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:47,679 Speaker 1: and the nineteen nineties. The U s d A now 154 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 1: divines food desert as quote parts of the country vapid 155 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:55,680 Speaker 1: of fresh fruit, vegetables, and other healthful whole foods, usually 156 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:58,760 Speaker 1: found in impoverished areas. This is largely due to a 157 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:02,000 Speaker 1: lack of grocery stores for mer's markets and health food providers, 158 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:05,680 Speaker 1: So it doesn't mean there is no food, it means 159 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:09,079 Speaker 1: there is no healthy food. A lot of areas defined 160 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:11,600 Speaker 1: as food deserts have plenty of quickie marts and other 161 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:16,640 Speaker 1: establishments that sell heavily processed, sugary, nutrient void products. This 162 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:20,719 Speaker 1: often results in the unhealthy combo of malnutrition and obesity, 163 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:23,080 Speaker 1: and the health risks that come with both of those. 164 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 1: This is sometimes called a food swamp. It probably sounds obvious, 165 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:31,480 Speaker 1: but it bears saying here that like access to healthy 166 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:34,520 Speaker 1: food is really key for good health and good quality 167 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 1: of life. According to a two nine study from the 168 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 1: National Research Council on the public health effects of food desserts, 169 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:43,840 Speaker 1: people who live in areas with poor access to healthy 170 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:47,960 Speaker 1: food are cent less likely to have a good quality diet. 171 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:52,200 Speaker 1: In communities with good access to healthy food, we see 172 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 1: a reduced incidence of diabetes, and food access does impact 173 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:59,320 Speaker 1: other health conditions, like cardiovascular disease and even some types 174 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:05,680 Speaker 1: of cancer. This also disproportionately impacts communities of color. African American, Latino, 175 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:08,720 Speaker 1: and Native Americans are twice as likely compared to white 176 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:12,240 Speaker 1: people to develop diabetes. This is due to a history 177 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:16,720 Speaker 1: of racist practices and barriers to entry like redlining. Redlining 178 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:20,200 Speaker 1: refers to discriminatory housing practices from the nineteen thirties that 179 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 1: still linger to this day. The Home Owners Loan Corporation 180 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:26,560 Speaker 1: are The h o l C made these maps of 181 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:29,679 Speaker 1: several urban areas that depicted the level of risk associated 182 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:33,720 Speaker 1: with lending neighborhood by neighborhood. They were graded A to D, 183 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:36,960 Speaker 1: A being low risk and D being high risk. Areas 184 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 1: with a D were typically denoted with red marks, and 185 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:43,199 Speaker 1: these areas were frequently determined by the number of African 186 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 1: Americans living in that area. This had an enormous impact 187 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 1: on mortgage lending and on the white flight to suburban America. 188 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:55,960 Speaker 1: Some experts to use the term supermarket redlining as opposed 189 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:59,320 Speaker 1: to food desert or food swamp superb Drico Dylan and 190 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:02,400 Speaker 1: I recently had tended the Southern Food Ways Alliance symposium 191 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 1: and Birmingham, Alabama, and one of the speakers a photographer 192 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:08,160 Speaker 1: who I couldn't find her name anywhere, but if anyone knows, 193 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 1: please let me know because I'm so excited about this. 194 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 1: She spoke about a project she was doing around redlining 195 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 1: in Birmingham. Yeah, So if anyone knows her name. I 196 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:19,600 Speaker 1: looked everywhere it could not find her. Please please let 197 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:22,720 Speaker 1: us know. A story I read about Atlanti's food deserts 198 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:25,560 Speaker 1: found that for people without transportation, a trip to the 199 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:29,760 Speaker 1: grocery store could take two hours or more walking fifteen 200 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 1: minutes to the buses, two transfers, and you have to 201 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:35,120 Speaker 1: be able to carry your purchase by car. This journey 202 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:38,520 Speaker 1: would take about twenty minutes now that you think about it. 203 00:12:38,559 --> 00:12:40,200 Speaker 1: The town I grew up in was a food desert. 204 00:12:40,679 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 1: If we hadn't had a car, we would have been 205 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 1: in serious trouble, very serious trouble. Like I think he 206 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:50,760 Speaker 1: had drive thirty minutes um to get to the nearest 207 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:55,000 Speaker 1: grocery market. Atlanta is the third worst urban food desert 208 00:12:55,280 --> 00:12:58,720 Speaker 1: in the country. Ahead of US are Chicago and New Orleans. 209 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:02,800 Speaker 1: Food deserts are sometimes called a low supermarket areas or 210 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 1: or l says. Across the country, it's getting better overall, um. 211 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 1: The percentage of people who lived in lsays decreased from 212 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:14,839 Speaker 1: about six point eight percent to uh five point six percent, 213 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:20,280 Speaker 1: but that still means that seventeen point six million Americans 214 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:23,720 Speaker 1: lack access to healthy food, and progress has not been 215 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 1: consistent throughout America, Louisiana has one of the highest concentrations 216 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:32,240 Speaker 1: of food deserts. Here's Pepper again. If we would get 217 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:38,079 Speaker 1: to a point where we understood clearly that the definition 218 00:13:38,120 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 1: of a food desert is that you simply do not 219 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 1: have direct access to fresh produce. Right, So, whether it's 220 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:46,600 Speaker 1: a fruit or a vegetable on a regular basis within 221 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:49,280 Speaker 1: a mile from about a mile from where you live, 222 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:52,280 Speaker 1: or where like a third of your neighborhood is on 223 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:55,600 Speaker 1: a consistent basis than if you happen to live in 224 00:13:55,679 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 1: a neighborhood where you have a lovely boulangerie, a boucherie, 225 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:05,280 Speaker 1: maybe a butchery, maybe even a wine cellar. The bottom 226 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 1: line is you are still in a food desert. You're 227 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:10,600 Speaker 1: just in a really expensive food desert with a cheesemonger 228 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 1: next door. So we also spoke with Dr Howard Conyers, 229 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 1: who's both a barbecue pit master and a rocket scientist, 230 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 1: like really so good. One of the things he's a 231 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:41,400 Speaker 1: proponent of within the food community is the tenants of 232 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 1: the Slow Food movement, which is an organization that pushes 233 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:48,120 Speaker 1: for good, clean and fair food for everyone. Yeah. This 234 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:51,400 Speaker 1: this organization started in Italy, in the nineteen eighties and 235 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 1: spread from there um and by good, clean, and fair 236 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 1: they mean that they value food that's not just nutritious, 237 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 1: but delicious, that's locally and sustainably grown, that's produced by 238 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 1: people being treated and paid fairly, and yes, that's available 239 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 1: to everyone and and helps us celebrate our cultures. Here's 240 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:13,920 Speaker 1: Howard it resonated to my whole upbringing of Like I 241 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:15,480 Speaker 1: used to run the garden on the farm, so I 242 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 1: was very accustomed et and fresh and seasonal ingredients. And 243 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:24,840 Speaker 1: I think there's immense value to that because you limit 244 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:27,560 Speaker 1: how much preservatives, how much hormones is in your food. 245 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:30,000 Speaker 1: So like I'm a I'm an advocate for it and 246 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:33,320 Speaker 1: getting involved with a slow food movement. It's something like 247 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:36,840 Speaker 1: the mission I believe is there, the antenna is there? 248 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:39,960 Speaker 1: What I hope in this whole slow food movement or 249 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:43,800 Speaker 1: in like eating better quality of foods, it becomes more 250 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:47,680 Speaker 1: not only equitable, but I guess like racially, like I 251 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:49,160 Speaker 1: don't really get to see a whole lot of African 252 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 1: Americans by stuff from farmers market. It looks like it's 253 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 1: very one sided. And I know it's an income thing, 254 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:58,080 Speaker 1: but I would love to see get more inclusive. Like 255 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 1: Pepper said, we cannot address problems in a vacuum. Multitudes 256 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:05,360 Speaker 1: of things like income and access to transportation go into 257 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:09,480 Speaker 1: food access and food insecurity. If you're not making a 258 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 1: living wage, then surely you find yourself in a position 259 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:17,320 Speaker 1: where you cannot take care of yourself. And so that 260 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:21,480 Speaker 1: being one silo, uh, the access to food being able 261 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:24,520 Speaker 1: to afford healthy food is a whole different silo where 262 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:28,280 Speaker 1: we might find urban farmers who are faced with the 263 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:32,640 Speaker 1: same issues. They don't make enough to sustain themselves. And yeah, 264 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:36,400 Speaker 1: they might sell you head a lettuce or a fancy 265 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 1: bag of greens for six dollars, but what does it 266 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:43,320 Speaker 1: cost them in order to actually produce it, especially on 267 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:46,320 Speaker 1: a small scale. And you know, to be fair to 268 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:50,480 Speaker 1: all concerned, they have a tendency to grow the higher 269 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 1: dollar items. So they're not necessarily growing bell peppers that 270 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:55,560 Speaker 1: you'd be able to buy at a grocery store three 271 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:58,200 Speaker 1: for a dollar. They're buying. They're growing the things that 272 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 1: you would spend a premium and form. And then we've 273 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 1: also got all of these other sort of bits and 274 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:09,240 Speaker 1: pieces of components around transportation. So if you can't get 275 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 1: to your job how do you keep your job um 276 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:17,240 Speaker 1: of energy, costs of electricity, costs of heating when you 277 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:21,119 Speaker 1: have extremes and temperatures, even if you can afford which 278 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:24,639 Speaker 1: is another silo, affordable housing, even if you can afford 279 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 1: somewhere to live, how do you keep the lights on 280 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 1: if it's ridiculously expensive to do so? And so a 281 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:32,080 Speaker 1: lot of the groups that I'm working with are working 282 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:36,560 Speaker 1: in collaboration and sharing information across sectors so that there 283 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:39,600 Speaker 1: is a better understanding of how all of these things 284 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:44,400 Speaker 1: tie into right your ability as a person, just as 285 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:48,360 Speaker 1: a human walking around with inherent value to support yourself 286 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:53,439 Speaker 1: and to sustain life. So one of the collaborators that 287 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:57,119 Speaker 1: that we work with is has been working on fresh 288 00:17:57,119 --> 00:18:00,320 Speaker 1: food corner stores, where you actually bring in fresh food 289 00:18:00,359 --> 00:18:04,080 Speaker 1: two corner stores already in the neighborhoods, so that folks 290 00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:07,919 Speaker 1: who were there can have access at a lower cost 291 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:10,960 Speaker 1: to foods that they ordinarily would not be able to 292 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:14,720 Speaker 1: get to. But then, of course, even if you have 293 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:18,879 Speaker 1: access to fresh foods or to sustainably ground foods, you 294 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:21,280 Speaker 1: have to want to buy them, like you have to 295 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:23,159 Speaker 1: know what to do with them and have time to 296 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:26,920 Speaker 1: prepare them. You have to know their value. Howard spoke 297 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 1: to this, I think there's an education that needs to occur. 298 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:33,439 Speaker 1: You have to educate people on why this food is 299 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:36,280 Speaker 1: better because we will spend well. People will spend money 300 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:39,320 Speaker 1: or whatever they seem valuable if they have it. But 301 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:42,560 Speaker 1: I think there's a lack of education. Go wis better, 302 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:45,520 Speaker 1: and so that may be an opportunity to do it better. 303 00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:49,600 Speaker 1: I think sometimes the access to it, the location of 304 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:52,280 Speaker 1: it is New Orleans is not a big place. But 305 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:57,320 Speaker 1: I can't expect a family who struggling with transportation the 306 00:18:57,480 --> 00:18:59,680 Speaker 1: better only come to the farmer's market for a few 307 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:02,639 Speaker 1: things things and they can't get everything they need on 308 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:06,879 Speaker 1: the grocery list. That's kind of tough. This is another 309 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 1: thread that cannot be separated out from the rest of 310 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:13,680 Speaker 1: this whole conversation of where you can afford to live, 311 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:16,119 Speaker 1: how many hours you have to work every day, what 312 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:20,320 Speaker 1: foods your family chose when you were growing up. Access 313 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:24,720 Speaker 1: to healthy food, especially among children, impacts all kinds of things, 314 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:30,080 Speaker 1: behavior and intellectual development, education and occupation, performance, disease resistance, 315 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 1: and childhood mortality. All of this translates to long term 316 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:38,680 Speaker 1: economic consequences. It's not just food either it's clean water. 317 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 1: We'll get into that after a quick break for word 318 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:54,000 Speaker 1: from our sponsor and we're back. Thank you sponsor, Yes, 319 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:58,919 Speaker 1: thank you. Okay, So water water is going to be 320 00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:04,000 Speaker 1: an entire and kind of depressing future episode. Um if 321 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:06,920 Speaker 1: you'd like a preview, check out an episode of stuff 322 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:08,399 Speaker 1: they don't want you to know that. I guessed it 323 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:11,639 Speaker 1: on about Nestley and they're bottled water division. Um. Or 324 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:13,680 Speaker 1: look up the house stuff works Now video that I 325 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:18,040 Speaker 1: did about lead pipes killed joy Corners for days, but 326 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:22,040 Speaker 1: yes for now. Um. Okay. Water, whether it comes to 327 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:24,280 Speaker 1: the role it plays in the food we eat, the 328 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:26,960 Speaker 1: environment we live in, or the liquid that we straight 329 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:31,480 Speaker 1: up drink, it's a it's kind of important to every 330 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:35,080 Speaker 1: individual within a community, like like cells in a body. 331 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:40,960 Speaker 1: In a journalistic investigation of Environmental Protection Agency water quality 332 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:45,000 Speaker 1: reports found that nearly one five of the United States 333 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:49,040 Speaker 1: around sixty three million people have been exposed to water 334 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:52,359 Speaker 1: that may have been unsafe more than once during the 335 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:56,160 Speaker 1: past decade. The e p A set standards for all 336 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:59,480 Speaker 1: sorts of harmful compounds and microorganisms in our water, but 337 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:01,919 Speaker 1: it's large retually up to state and local governments to 338 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:06,439 Speaker 1: uphold them, and of course poorer areas have less money 339 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:09,800 Speaker 1: to do so. And while we know unsafe water can 340 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:13,320 Speaker 1: lead to all kinds of negative physical outcomes like cancer guests, 341 00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:16,560 Speaker 1: ro intestinal distress and disease, and developmental problems for children, 342 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:20,840 Speaker 1: we are still uncovering a world of damage that coming 343 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:23,480 Speaker 1: into contact with unsafe water can do. One of the 344 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:26,359 Speaker 1: things Pepper is involved with the Culinaria Water Project is 345 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:29,520 Speaker 1: looking into this very thing. We have an opportunity to 346 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:32,800 Speaker 1: not only look at what the individual impacts are on 347 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:36,560 Speaker 1: leads and or heavy metals in water, on the soil, 348 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:39,920 Speaker 1: but also on the food and on the people themselves. 349 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:43,080 Speaker 1: And the objective long term is that we will bring 350 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:46,399 Speaker 1: the folks who are most impacted and not most often 351 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:49,320 Speaker 1: divested to the table and so and allow them to 352 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:52,920 Speaker 1: share their ideas about how it is that they want 353 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:57,080 Speaker 1: to combat the problem, whether it be through law or legislation, 354 00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:00,439 Speaker 1: or really just by asking for people to be nicer 355 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:03,240 Speaker 1: to the Again, the water project that we're working on 356 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:06,560 Speaker 1: is really to avoid a similar issue that happened in Flint, 357 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:10,400 Speaker 1: where there was enough information that could have been given 358 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:12,840 Speaker 1: to the public in order to make a decision about 359 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 1: where the water the source that they were using, what 360 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:19,200 Speaker 1: the implications may have been, and what the possibilities were. 361 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:23,280 Speaker 1: What Pepper is referring to here is the water crisis 362 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:27,440 Speaker 1: in Flint, Michigan. Of course, um this crisis began when 363 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:30,800 Speaker 1: officials made this cost based decision to switch over the 364 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:34,560 Speaker 1: water supply from the Detroit system to its own system, 365 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:38,440 Speaker 1: which entailed temporarily switching their source of water from like 366 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:42,280 Speaker 1: Huron over to the Flint River while a new pipeline 367 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:45,640 Speaker 1: out to the lake was being built. But the river 368 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:48,280 Speaker 1: water was more corrosive than the lake water had been, 369 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:51,240 Speaker 1: especially when they started boosting the chlorine levels to control 370 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:55,120 Speaker 1: for bacterial outbreaks. And Flint's water mains are aging, as 371 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:58,760 Speaker 1: are many water pipes throughout the United States. Across the country. 372 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:02,000 Speaker 1: At least of our high use Streak Kig water pipes 373 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 1: are more than forty years old, but um they were 374 00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:09,560 Speaker 1: laid back before lead was so heavily regulated, so the 375 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:13,040 Speaker 1: water going to communities in Flint was picking up lead 376 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:16,560 Speaker 1: from the pipes. Officials failed to adequately test the water 377 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:20,440 Speaker 1: safety and overlooked and discounted concerns that were raised. Coming 378 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:23,359 Speaker 1: into contact with this water caused hair loss, rashes, and 379 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:26,400 Speaker 1: itchy skin. More recent studies show exposure to the water 380 00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 1: doubled and sometimes tripled the blood levels of lead in children, 381 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:34,520 Speaker 1: and lead is is just incredibly toxic UM. Even as 382 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 1: seemingly tiny levels of ingestion, lead can cause irreversible damage 383 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:42,480 Speaker 1: to the liver, blood, kidneys, and brain, and in young 384 00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:46,439 Speaker 1: children and unborn babies. It's been implicated in lifelong behavior 385 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:50,159 Speaker 1: and attention problems UM, reduced i Q, delayed growth, and 386 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:53,920 Speaker 1: even an increase in violent behavior. Notice that these are 387 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:57,000 Speaker 1: issues that poor communities and communities of color have been 388 00:23:57,040 --> 00:24:01,600 Speaker 1: criticized and blamed for four decades. The Michigan Civil Rights 389 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:04,399 Speaker 1: Commission came to the conclusion that the Flint crisis was 390 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:08,200 Speaker 1: a quote result of systemic racism. The long term effects 391 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:12,919 Speaker 1: are still unknown. Also in UH, these are modern times 392 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:16,440 Speaker 1: of all kinds of exciting chemical and materials technologies. A 393 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:20,840 Speaker 1: harmful product can proliferate far faster than regulations can keep up, 394 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:25,360 Speaker 1: especially when a natural disaster brings those products into unexpected 395 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:28,600 Speaker 1: contact with our groundwater and the sources of our drinking water. 396 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:32,080 Speaker 1: Here's pepper again. Especially post Katrina, we've had a number 397 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:36,640 Speaker 1: of challenges UM. There had been some studies that came 398 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:42,359 Speaker 1: out about toxicity and the soil. So many people when 399 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:45,360 Speaker 1: they saw the waters rise didn't seem to quiet realize 400 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:49,840 Speaker 1: that wasn't pool water. But just as soon as those 401 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:53,080 Speaker 1: stories came out, they seemed to have disappeared. There was 402 00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:56,320 Speaker 1: no follow up with what happened to the possibility that 403 00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:59,640 Speaker 1: there was contamination of the soil by the waters that 404 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:04,560 Speaker 1: were contaminated and of themselves, Um, what happened, because it's 405 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:07,200 Speaker 1: not like they know when he came along with buckets 406 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:10,040 Speaker 1: and just you know, dumped the water back into the river, 407 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:13,080 Speaker 1: that the it's subsided, it was absorbed by the soil, 408 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:16,280 Speaker 1: and there had there was a small study that was 409 00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:20,840 Speaker 1: done and folks were told that there were elevated levels 410 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:23,280 Speaker 1: of leads and heavy metals, and you know, there were 411 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:25,159 Speaker 1: some toxins, but it was nothing that was going to 412 00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:28,720 Speaker 1: kill you. Right. But the migitality of the circumstances is 413 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:33,639 Speaker 1: that we have had a number of really peculiar rises. 414 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:37,120 Speaker 1: Now these have correlated with rises in public health over 415 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:41,240 Speaker 1: the country. Right, So if you look at the school children, 416 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:45,600 Speaker 1: there has been a rise in the numbers of black 417 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:48,400 Speaker 1: and brown children who have been suspended and expelled from schools. 418 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:51,119 Speaker 1: This has given traction to the whole idea of the 419 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:55,640 Speaker 1: school to prison pipeline. UM there has also simultaneously been 420 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:59,600 Speaker 1: a rise in the number of children who are irritable, 421 00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:02,600 Speaker 1: who are unable to sit still for long periods of time, 422 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:08,440 Speaker 1: who may have difficulty learning, who may even need additional attention, 423 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:13,440 Speaker 1: and by happenstance, these are the same reasons that these 424 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:18,920 Speaker 1: black and brown children are being suspended. So what happened, 425 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:21,080 Speaker 1: we don't really know. But what we do know for 426 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:26,200 Speaker 1: sure is that UM lead levels, when they present early onset, 427 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:30,200 Speaker 1: those those are all the markers. And so I'm not 428 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:33,440 Speaker 1: saying that we that all of our children are contaminated 429 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:37,359 Speaker 1: with lead. What I am saying is that it just 430 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:42,399 Speaker 1: doesn't make sense that out of the blue, after fifty 431 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:46,080 Speaker 1: seventy years of educating children, that all of a sudden, 432 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:51,240 Speaker 1: that black and brown children should have such a large 433 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:59,240 Speaker 1: propensity of these same characteristics. But we're not doing anything 434 00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:02,800 Speaker 1: to fix it. We're incarcerating them, and we're putting them out, 435 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:07,040 Speaker 1: and we're out of schools, out of support areas. We're 436 00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:12,159 Speaker 1: creating a different problem. It doesn't fix anything, and we 437 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:16,080 Speaker 1: continue to send them through in this way that again 438 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:20,320 Speaker 1: deserves another look. We need to start investigating how these 439 00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:22,640 Speaker 1: things are coming about and how it is that will 440 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:27,639 Speaker 1: make more sense to unpack them because that creates a 441 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:33,199 Speaker 1: more sustainable ecosystem as opposed to attempting to continue to 442 00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:38,960 Speaker 1: approach it in a silo. And yeah, researchers still don't 443 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:41,760 Speaker 1: know why these effects happen. The leading idea is that 444 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:46,800 Speaker 1: atoms of of lead displace other atoms in some proteins 445 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:50,399 Speaker 1: and our selves, which can like seriously reduce or change 446 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:54,800 Speaker 1: enzymes efficiency in our bodies, causing chains of problems from 447 00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:58,639 Speaker 1: the cellular level up. I have to say I travel 448 00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:00,600 Speaker 1: a lot, and one of the things I have realized 449 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:04,280 Speaker 1: that I take super for granted in the United States 450 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:09,040 Speaker 1: is um in general having easy access to drinkable water, 451 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:14,480 Speaker 1: hopefully healthy drinkable water. So this is a global issue absolutely. 452 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:19,320 Speaker 1: Another global issue that ties into food access is climate 453 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:24,440 Speaker 1: and specifically climate change. As Howard and the slow food 454 00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:29,080 Speaker 1: movement in general preach, eating locally and seasonally is more sustainable, 455 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:33,480 Speaker 1: it requires less transportation, saving money and preventing pollution, and 456 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:37,359 Speaker 1: it can also be delicious and is perhaps especially important 457 00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:41,520 Speaker 1: to New Orleans cuisines. Here's Dicky Brennan again. You know 458 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:47,680 Speaker 1: what I love about New Orleans, um one our climate. 459 00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:50,720 Speaker 1: We can farm you around, so there's always something coming 460 00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:53,040 Speaker 1: in the seed. So that played a lot of what 461 00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:55,000 Speaker 1: you need at home as well as what was on 462 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:58,040 Speaker 1: the rest of menu. The other thing is is we're 463 00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:00,920 Speaker 1: at the mouth Mississippi, wherever it's most little fish grounds 464 00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:03,200 Speaker 1: in the world. So I mean, we have so much 465 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:06,640 Speaker 1: a bounty of seafood, and it's all seasonal, and some 466 00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:08,880 Speaker 1: of it's in the marsh, some of it's in the 467 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:12,040 Speaker 1: in the coastal waters, and a lot of its inland. 468 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:15,000 Speaker 1: So I mean like when our blue crabs are going 469 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:18,320 Speaker 1: out of season, crawfish are coming in the season. There's 470 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:22,080 Speaker 1: always something that's gonna peak at different times of the year. 471 00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,960 Speaker 1: And really, I mean our FLOSSI in the restaurants and 472 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:29,560 Speaker 1: it's the same thing at homes. We're eating what's in season, 473 00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:32,280 Speaker 1: what's peaking and uh and it you know, there's a 474 00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:37,600 Speaker 1: lot of options there. So what happens when that climate 475 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:41,520 Speaker 1: is disrupted by something like global warming? So if you 476 00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:44,120 Speaker 1: don't know when it's gonna rain or if it's suddenly 477 00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:47,680 Speaker 1: too hot this summer, um, it was everybody I know 478 00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:50,640 Speaker 1: who is growing corn? There was no corn. Um, the 479 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,760 Speaker 1: squash leaves burnt up in the heat. I can produce 480 00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:57,760 Speaker 1: watermelons for whatever reason the ogre took off. But ye 481 00:29:57,760 --> 00:29:59,680 Speaker 1: know this is just a little garden. Right, So, I 482 00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,600 Speaker 1: mean worse comes to worse. There's a grocery store or 483 00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:06,480 Speaker 1: three grocery stores within five miles because I live uptown. Um, 484 00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:09,240 Speaker 1: what about those folks who are relying upon the weather 485 00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:12,320 Speaker 1: and the soil in order to actually produce for a living. 486 00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:16,000 Speaker 1: And then things become slightly more complex, right, Um, A 487 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:17,880 Speaker 1: lot of folks who are working on climate change are 488 00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:22,520 Speaker 1: looking at it from a metropolitan boo. Right, So municipalities 489 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:28,080 Speaker 1: are suffering with stormwater management and rising waters, and globally 490 00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:33,320 Speaker 1: we're increasing the temperatures and there's not really or rather 491 00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:37,520 Speaker 1: there's not often a clear line that is drawn to 492 00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:41,040 Speaker 1: what does that mean? All right? So, so what we've 493 00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:44,520 Speaker 1: got an extra four degrees two degrees? What does that mean? 494 00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:46,600 Speaker 1: I'm just turning up the heat, I'm turning up the air. 495 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:50,719 Speaker 1: What does this look like? Well, for food, it is 496 00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:54,680 Speaker 1: clear that food is being impacted, right, And you know, 497 00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:56,680 Speaker 1: even if you're not let's not even talk about food 498 00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:02,200 Speaker 1: let's discuss your wine. Yes, let's and of course, like 499 00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:04,760 Speaker 1: being able to buy a bottle of wine is perhaps 500 00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:07,400 Speaker 1: less critical than being able to like make yourself a sandwich. 501 00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:11,200 Speaker 1: But all parts of the food industry affect each other. 502 00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:15,040 Speaker 1: What farmers can produce, what makers and restaurants can create 503 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:18,400 Speaker 1: and sell, what what consumers can buy, and the quality 504 00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:22,360 Speaker 1: of life of everyone involved um is based on these 505 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:27,760 Speaker 1: and other factors in our sprawling economy. Yes, so suddenly 506 00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:30,960 Speaker 1: those cool temperatures that you need in order to produce 507 00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:34,720 Speaker 1: just the right balance, that's off. And so instead of 508 00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:38,200 Speaker 1: being able to charge twenty of wine because twenty dollars 509 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,640 Speaker 1: a bottle, you're having to drop it because now it's swill. 510 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,920 Speaker 1: It's three four dollars a bottle. Now the two buck 511 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,080 Speaker 1: chuck that was a great thing was one off. But 512 00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:49,760 Speaker 1: that's a different conversation. These are folks who are generally young, 513 00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:55,360 Speaker 1: they are well educated, they're from suburbs, and they're often white, 514 00:31:55,360 --> 00:32:00,880 Speaker 1: middle class or or something that somewhere in the vicinity. Right, 515 00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:04,480 Speaker 1: So think suburban kid who has just grown up watching 516 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:06,880 Speaker 1: things on TV and not necessarily being out there on 517 00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:10,520 Speaker 1: the front lines. Conversely, folks who have been living in 518 00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:14,360 Speaker 1: the inner cities, for generations who could not afford to 519 00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:18,440 Speaker 1: leave when the white flight happened, who have scratched out 520 00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:22,040 Speaker 1: a living for you know, the past twenty years. They 521 00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:25,640 Speaker 1: are on the front lines of issues around food security 522 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,440 Speaker 1: and food equity because they are the ones who are 523 00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:30,920 Speaker 1: most impacted. And what they're not seeing is that there 524 00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:34,120 Speaker 1: is a clear common ground. And as soon as we 525 00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,440 Speaker 1: get to a place where we understand that there is 526 00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:40,880 Speaker 1: a common ground, we can move mountains together by building 527 00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:48,600 Speaker 1: communities and organizing grassroots movements, entire movements that allow us 528 00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:52,800 Speaker 1: to see change that is beyond just having a grocery store. 529 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:56,880 Speaker 1: It is really more about having a an echo system 530 00:32:57,080 --> 00:33:13,280 Speaker 1: that is supportive for all of us. Climate change has 531 00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:17,280 Speaker 1: also led to an increase of natural disasters like Hurricane Katrina. 532 00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:19,600 Speaker 1: We'll get into that after one more quick break for 533 00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:31,960 Speaker 1: a word from our sponsor, and we're back. Thank you, sponsor, Yes, 534 00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:37,880 Speaker 1: thank you, and yes, Hurricane Katrina. We purposefully didn't ask 535 00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:41,400 Speaker 1: our interview subjects about Katrina. I think folks are like 536 00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:45,080 Speaker 1: understandably tired of outsiders coming in and quizzing them about 537 00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:49,080 Speaker 1: this one ugly nationally broadcasted time in their lives. But 538 00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:51,480 Speaker 1: nearly everyone who we spoke with brought it up, which 539 00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:55,040 Speaker 1: we're grateful for because as um enormous and traumatic as 540 00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:57,520 Speaker 1: it was, it brought the city together in some ways 541 00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:00,640 Speaker 1: that do tie into everything we've been talking abou out. Today, 542 00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:03,920 Speaker 1: we spoke with Amy Sins, the founder of Langois, a 543 00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:07,160 Speaker 1: culinary entertainment company. Um. She lives in New Orleans and 544 00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:10,640 Speaker 1: is active in disaster relief, and I realized that the 545 00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:14,759 Speaker 1: New Orleans restaurant community is incredibly generous and willing to 546 00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:19,040 Speaker 1: give back, and I think other communities around the country 547 00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:24,200 Speaker 1: are the same way. We've built really a cool formula 548 00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:28,920 Speaker 1: at how we've been able to efficiently feed people during 549 00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:32,719 Speaker 1: disasters here and used it in Florida and used it 550 00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:35,840 Speaker 1: in Texas, and so my goal is that I'll be 551 00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:39,400 Speaker 1: able to share that formula with people around the country, 552 00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:43,280 Speaker 1: because with forest fires and floods and things that are happening, 553 00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:46,280 Speaker 1: there's no reason we should all be recreating the wheel 554 00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:50,200 Speaker 1: trying to scramble. So I'd love to be teaching more 555 00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:54,200 Speaker 1: people how to go rogue and really you know, pulled 556 00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:57,480 Speaker 1: together a group and motivate a group of volunteers from 557 00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:02,680 Speaker 1: the food community. Because we on understand food safety and 558 00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:06,160 Speaker 1: as much as people want to cook for others to 559 00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:10,160 Speaker 1: make them feel better, there are some rules we have 560 00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:14,800 Speaker 1: to follow. And then a disaster situation with no water, 561 00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:22,239 Speaker 1: no electricity, you have to really be careful. And my 562 00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:24,400 Speaker 1: goal is to teach more people how they can do 563 00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:28,439 Speaker 1: that on a massive scale. So she also talked about 564 00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:31,080 Speaker 1: a factor we hadn't considered about natural disasters, like this 565 00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:35,600 Speaker 1: recipe loss. I read a book called Baby Slippers cookbook 566 00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:39,200 Speaker 1: Life After Katrina. My house was on the levee break 567 00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:41,759 Speaker 1: of the seventeenth Street now, so if you watched any 568 00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:44,799 Speaker 1: of the coverage, there was like a big hole and 569 00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:48,640 Speaker 1: helicopter with obany sandbags trying to fill the hole that 570 00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:52,240 Speaker 1: was right behind our house. So um, we had about 571 00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:55,120 Speaker 1: eight feet of water in the house. But New Orleans 572 00:35:56,040 --> 00:36:00,160 Speaker 1: is a collection of neighborhoods, and people don't all is 573 00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:03,640 Speaker 1: live or move outside of the neighborhood they grew up in. 574 00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:07,120 Speaker 1: So my husband and I lived a block from the 575 00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:10,200 Speaker 1: house my mom grew up in, where my grandfather lived. 576 00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:13,480 Speaker 1: All of our aunt's uncles, everybody was in the same 577 00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:17,880 Speaker 1: neighborhood and all affected. One of the things I realized 578 00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:21,680 Speaker 1: was that we lost all of our family recipes because 579 00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:24,600 Speaker 1: you couldn't call your aunt or your uncle or your 580 00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:29,080 Speaker 1: grandfather to get a copy of them. And my mother 581 00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:31,279 Speaker 1: in law and I would try to like dry the 582 00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:36,200 Speaker 1: recipe cards out in the sun. And I decided, you 583 00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:39,000 Speaker 1: know what, next time this happens, I need a book 584 00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:41,719 Speaker 1: that has everything that I love to cook all in 585 00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,319 Speaker 1: one place, and I can evacuate it with with it. 586 00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:48,600 Speaker 1: And I started just meeting people in New Orleans. You 587 00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:51,080 Speaker 1: can stand in line at a grocery store and ask 588 00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:53,440 Speaker 1: people what they're cooking, and you will get the recipe. 589 00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:57,480 Speaker 1: And I met people along the way and just saw 590 00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:02,399 Speaker 1: the resilience and the spirit in the love of our 591 00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,840 Speaker 1: culture and food that the book just took on a 592 00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:10,000 Speaker 1: life of its own, and I released it about what 593 00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:14,280 Speaker 1: on the first anniversary of Katrina's One thing we noticed 594 00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:17,680 Speaker 1: as we conducted our eighteen interviews is a certain hesitation 595 00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:21,160 Speaker 1: when we would ask the question are you from New Orleans? 596 00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:24,120 Speaker 1: The answer used to largely be based on the hospital 597 00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:25,960 Speaker 1: you were born in and the high school you went to. 598 00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:28,960 Speaker 1: But if you came to New Orleans after Katrina to 599 00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:33,040 Speaker 1: help rebuild and stay, you're a local now, or as 600 00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:36,680 Speaker 1: Pepper said, they'll promise you that you will be someday. Right. 601 00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:40,440 Speaker 1: Everyone was so careful to specify if their family is 602 00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:43,759 Speaker 1: from like fifteen minutes out of town or whatever. But 603 00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:47,080 Speaker 1: but everyone we spoke to seemed united in their passion 604 00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:49,680 Speaker 1: for for seeing what can be improved about the city 605 00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:53,520 Speaker 1: and for actually doing something. I think it's lucky that 606 00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:56,680 Speaker 1: it's a place that inspires such loyalty. Like no one 607 00:37:56,840 --> 00:38:00,799 Speaker 1: is ambivalent about New Orleans. One project heard about is 608 00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:04,680 Speaker 1: on the education side, not consumer education, but professional education 609 00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:08,520 Speaker 1: within the restaurant industry. The New Orleans Culinary and Hospitality 610 00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:11,360 Speaker 1: Institute are no G or n O c h I 611 00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,879 Speaker 1: in downtown New Orleans hopes to address barriers to that 612 00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:18,120 Speaker 1: education and therefore to improve the quality of life for 613 00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:20,400 Speaker 1: the hard work and kitchen staffs who makes the thriving 614 00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:24,319 Speaker 1: restaurant scene possible. Here's Dickie again. You can make hollandais 615 00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:29,200 Speaker 1: as like a Michael Jordan playing basketball. But if you 616 00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:32,960 Speaker 1: don't know the word emulsify and in the chemistry behind 617 00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:36,080 Speaker 1: what you do and why it works, I think it 618 00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:40,560 Speaker 1: keeps you from having confidence. And that lack of confidence 619 00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:42,360 Speaker 1: is where these men and women don't go to the 620 00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:44,719 Speaker 1: next level, because there's so many I've worked with over 621 00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:47,080 Speaker 1: the years and I've said, come on, want you take 622 00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:49,920 Speaker 1: a little responsibility now, I'm I'm I'm good doing what 623 00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:53,760 Speaker 1: I'm doing. And then I've seen young men and women 624 00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:57,280 Speaker 1: from out of state that have graduated from these wonderful 625 00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:00,719 Speaker 1: programs and so many album I want to cook in 626 00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:04,600 Speaker 1: New Orleans. And so it's his young confident. You know, 627 00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:08,080 Speaker 1: someone just graduated Coastchood's coming in and they're getting the 628 00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:11,960 Speaker 1: sex chef position and then they become the chef's I mean, 629 00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,239 Speaker 1: I'm certainly not knocking the animal. Look Gosspin. I mean, 630 00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:16,880 Speaker 1: it couldn't be a greater example of you know, animal 631 00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:19,239 Speaker 1: came in, started working my family and you know, look 632 00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:24,200 Speaker 1: look where he's gone. So I really hope this institute 633 00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:27,520 Speaker 1: because in New Orleans, you know, we have certainly have 634 00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:30,919 Speaker 1: our challenges when it comes to I'll just say it's 635 00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:35,640 Speaker 1: racial relationships and so and a lot of people leadership 636 00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:38,000 Speaker 1: on both sides. When you're having a conversation, you know, 637 00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:40,560 Speaker 1: a lot of time the leadership will say, well, I 638 00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:43,839 Speaker 1: don't see anybody out of the African American community being 639 00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:47,360 Speaker 1: the chef or being the business owner. You know, you 640 00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:49,720 Speaker 1: know at some point you know that has to evolve. 641 00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:54,359 Speaker 1: And so I think this is an opportunity for our 642 00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:59,560 Speaker 1: industry instead of people being you know, stock and can't 643 00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:02,120 Speaker 1: get some X level that this should open that door. 644 00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:06,400 Speaker 1: And if because we have the talent, it's like musicians, 645 00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:10,160 Speaker 1: jazz musicians a worldwide. We have athletes that are just 646 00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:13,720 Speaker 1: incredibly probably have more on them in the NFL than anywhere. 647 00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:17,160 Speaker 1: We had the same talent that can cook, they just 648 00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:19,680 Speaker 1: don't have that education to where they're going to go 649 00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:22,600 Speaker 1: be a chef. My hope is in a short period 650 00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:25,799 Speaker 1: of time there'll be men and women this community that 651 00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:28,200 Speaker 1: will be a chef in New York City, the East 652 00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:33,279 Speaker 1: Coast of West Coast and really changing that path that 653 00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:38,040 Speaker 1: hadn't really been here in New Orleans. It's that kind 654 00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:41,760 Speaker 1: of work, and then dozens of other things, improving public 655 00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:45,640 Speaker 1: education at large, bringing fresh food into neighborhoods either with 656 00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:49,880 Speaker 1: new or existing infrastructure, and making sure people can afford 657 00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:53,480 Speaker 1: to buy it by paying workers a living wage, rooting 658 00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:57,360 Speaker 1: out corruption and prejudice in the governing bodies, recognizing that 659 00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:00,480 Speaker 1: these issues are systemic, and supporting the mints that are 660 00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:04,840 Speaker 1: trying to change that working on larger policies that will 661 00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:08,120 Speaker 1: allow people to be able to will And then Jesus 662 00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:11,000 Speaker 1: there's a farm bill, which is another thirty minute conversation. 663 00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:14,759 Speaker 1: If that that allows us to understand how it is 664 00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:19,319 Speaker 1: that we can make life farm poor. Oh and uh 665 00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:21,239 Speaker 1: that then ore, then our lunch came. But we we 666 00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:24,080 Speaker 1: got back to the conversation eventually. Eventually, so we can 667 00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:27,880 Speaker 1: make food of food access far more sustainable for folks 668 00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:30,960 Speaker 1: who are working a living wage. So joining with people 669 00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:33,399 Speaker 1: who are doing or leading the charge on the fight 670 00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:36,759 Speaker 1: for fifteen so that folks will have money in order 671 00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:40,680 Speaker 1: to spend um. And I know that we've got some 672 00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:43,200 Speaker 1: folks who are very well meaning, and I respect that 673 00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:46,600 Speaker 1: they want to help and do things that are right 674 00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:50,200 Speaker 1: and just and equitable for all. The problem is that 675 00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:55,440 Speaker 1: until we accept that many of the ways that we 676 00:41:55,600 --> 00:42:03,160 Speaker 1: discuss inequality and um inequity being some not necessarily meaning 677 00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:05,960 Speaker 1: that we all have you the same, but that we 678 00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:08,839 Speaker 1: are treated on a level that is give us. Giving 679 00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:13,040 Speaker 1: us justice in court systems and everywhere we go is 680 00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:18,279 Speaker 1: usually through a lens of color. Patriarchy and all of 681 00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:21,360 Speaker 1: the things that we that we have been really against 682 00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:23,600 Speaker 1: as a society for at least the past two years 683 00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:30,560 Speaker 1: for reasons unknown. Then Um, then we will continue to 684 00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:34,879 Speaker 1: walk down these paths where we are simply confused. We 685 00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:37,640 Speaker 1: hope that in discussing all of this, and it was 686 00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:40,600 Speaker 1: a lot that we touched on, um, and all of 687 00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:44,360 Speaker 1: it we could have gone into and I hope that 688 00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:46,560 Speaker 1: we will get to in the future. Yes, yes, um, 689 00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:48,759 Speaker 1: but yeah, we hope that we're helping further the conversation, 690 00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:51,680 Speaker 1: even just a little bit. Um. But for now, that 691 00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:54,520 Speaker 1: about brings us the end of this episode. You can 692 00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:57,400 Speaker 1: email us at Hello at saberpod dot com. You can 693 00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:00,080 Speaker 1: also find us on social media. We are on at 694 00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:03,480 Speaker 1: our Facebook and Instagram at savor Pod. We do hope 695 00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:05,680 Speaker 1: to hear from you. Thank you as always to our 696 00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:09,040 Speaker 1: super producers Dylan Fagan and Andrew Howard, our executive producer 697 00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:12,399 Speaker 1: Christopher Hasiotis, and all of our interviewees and the good 698 00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:15,680 Speaker 1: folks who put us in touch with those interviewees. Thanks 699 00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:17,200 Speaker 1: to you for listening, and we hope that lots more 700 00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:21,640 Speaker 1: good things are coming your way. I did like the 701 00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:25,120 Speaker 1: thing that if you were from New Orleans too, for 702 00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:27,400 Speaker 1: people to like really verify if you were from New 703 00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:29,160 Speaker 1: Orance they'd be like, where'd you go to high school? 704 00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:33,960 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, high school? Yeah yeah, And multiple people brought 705 00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:36,759 Speaker 1: that up. Oh yeah yeah. And then because we would 706 00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:38,680 Speaker 1: ask like, oh, are you from here, they would go, well, 707 00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:42,680 Speaker 1: and from about an hour away, like immediately on the defense,