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Speaker 1: Welcome into the lounge presented by DraftKings. Today we are

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Speaker 1: thrilled to talk with Jack Harball, the senior Harball, this

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Speaker 1: Harball Brothers battle, the man with the longest history in

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Speaker 1: this competition here. So Jack, thanks for joining us, and

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Speaker 1: I'll start here. So earlier this year, after the big

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Speaker 1: Sunday night football win over the Bills, you kicked off

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Speaker 1: John's press conference with a who's got it better than us?

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Speaker 1: In the media room, and I gotta say it was

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Speaker 1: kind of a weak response.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, my goodness. I was stunned.

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Speaker 1: Paul.

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Speaker 2: We were up in the up with Ingrid in the

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Speaker 2: box and John called up and he said, come down,

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Speaker 2: we need you to come down. I'm thinking, oh, my goodness,

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Speaker 2: what's going on? I had no idea. So we went

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Speaker 2: down the stairs. Now you got to look at Jackie

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Speaker 2: and I at eighty five years old, down those stairs,

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Speaker 2: around and around and around. So we get to the

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Speaker 2: bottom and John walk in and John, hey, come on,

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Speaker 2: come on. I still have no idea what he's talking about.

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Speaker 2: He leads me into the into the press room and

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Speaker 2: I see all these scribes and pundits and waiting to

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Speaker 2: hear from John and Lamar and the gang, and then

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Speaker 2: John's dad, Dad, come on in here, and now it

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Speaker 2: hits me. He said, you have something, and I know

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Speaker 2: exactly what he wants now, so I give it my

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Speaker 2: best woo, and I want to know the response I

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Speaker 2: got back. We got an eight year old in California,

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Speaker 2: we got grandkids everywhere, and I'm used to this, this

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Speaker 2: lively respond and so I kind of challenged him. I thought,

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Speaker 2: you know we can well, when we can do better

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Speaker 2: than that, give you another crack at it and be

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Speaker 2: dad gone. They come up a little stronger, but not

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Speaker 2: quite what I was looking for. So I sold John,

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Speaker 2: I've done the best I can do. I've got to

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Speaker 2: find my way out of this room. So that's that's

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Speaker 2: how that event went.

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Speaker 1: Well, Garret, I are in the room and we gave

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Speaker 1: it to you. You know what wasn't at the top

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Speaker 1: of my lungs. I'll be honest, it wasn't the top

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Speaker 1: of my loans, but I gave it to you.

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Speaker 3: You were like the two guys in there that at

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Speaker 3: least played ball exactly we played ball.

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Speaker 1: So just to let you know, Jack, we had your back.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Well, I appreciate that. I wish you to wish

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Speaker 2: you to get up in the first row and I

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Speaker 2: could look you in the eye, felt much much more confident.

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Speaker 1: Well, next time, next time. Well one other question, actually,

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Speaker 1: if if the boys, John, Jim and even Jonie, if

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Speaker 1: they had given you such a weak response, what would

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Speaker 1: you have done with them like when they were kids.

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Speaker 2: Well, they wouldn't have had wouldn't been able to eat dinner.

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Speaker 1: Going hungry that night.

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Speaker 2: Let's go hungry the next time if you're if you're

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Speaker 2: hungry and you want dinner, and we're going to get

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Speaker 2: the response that we're looking for.

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Speaker 1: So Jack, you know what Chargers Ravens Monday night football,

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Speaker 1: Just you know, what are your nerves like this week?

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Speaker 2: You know, I kind of still know thirteen in twenty thirteen,

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Speaker 2: and it's about ten years ago, eleven years ago when

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Speaker 2: he played in the Super Bowl. I mean, we had

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Speaker 2: that experience. So so we're thinking, you know, here we

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Speaker 2: go again. And it was good, and it was it

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Speaker 2: wasn't so good, but we knew what it was about.

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Speaker 2: And then we were in Baltimore last week and talking

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Speaker 2: to John about it, and John came up with something

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Speaker 2: I really hadn't thought about, but it put it all

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Speaker 2: in perspective. He said, Dad, this is not for the

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Speaker 2: super Bowl. The super Bowl was an ending. There was

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Speaker 2: going to be a super Bowl championship. There would be

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Speaker 2: someone that didn't win it. In this game, you know,

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Speaker 2: it's it's a game, and both teams are still no

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Speaker 2: the magnitude that the super Bowl had. And you know what,

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Speaker 2: I shook my head and once again I learned something

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Speaker 2: from John that made me a little bit wiser and

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Speaker 1: So are the nerves different then? Do you have less

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Speaker 1: nerves or did that just kind of okay?

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm sure, I'm sure it'll be about the way

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Speaker 2: nerves were good until kickoff. Yeah, exactly, all its kicked off,

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Speaker 3: So take us inside what it's like this week between

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Speaker 3: you and John and Jim. Are communications cut off? Are

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Speaker 3: they trying to use yous to go between you know,

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Speaker 3: John's calling you say, Hey, what are things looking like

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Speaker 2: Totally silent?

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Speaker 2: I gotta uh, you know, I talked talked and texted

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Speaker 2: was it was shut down. We haven't communicated on the phone,

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Speaker 2: at any kind of practice tate. I mean, I'm I'm

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Speaker 2: I'm a fan. I'm a total fan and going to

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Speaker 3: So in terms of watching the game, what is your

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Speaker 3: you watch it from home? How do you plan to

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Speaker 2: Uh, we're not going to game. We're not going to

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Speaker 2: and then celebrate Thanksgiving on Thursday with them and then

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Speaker 1: And did you just not want to be in the

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Speaker 2: Well, kind of several several different One thing. First thing

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Speaker 2: And then we've been in Baltimore a couple of times.

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Speaker 2: We were there for the Buffalo game and then we

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Speaker 2: and we're choosing to go down there and celebrate thanksgif

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Speaker 1: Now, did John and Jim join for Thanksgiving or after

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Speaker 1: they battle on Monday night? It's like, all right, we

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Speaker 1: need a little time. We need a little time apart

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Speaker 2: We had an interesting one. It was kind of interesting.

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Speaker 2: The first time they played it was that at at

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Speaker 2: BALTIMOREANS forty nine, or it was over Thanksgiving. I think

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Speaker 2: it was a Thanksgiving day. They played that night and

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Speaker 2: the next day I believe it was the twenty fifth,

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Speaker 2: but it was right around our wedding anniversary again, and

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Speaker 2: you know, we'll play. We're playing here in Baltimore and

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Speaker 2: in the family. Some of the family will be here,

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Speaker 2: and at our house. We're going to have a a

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Speaker 2: at my house. And the game was over, and Jim

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Speaker 1: Back said, nah, it was canceled.

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Speaker 3: Well, Jack, this is your sixty eighth wedding anniversary, if

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Speaker 3: I'm not mistaken, is that correct?

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Speaker 1: Sixty sixty third, sixty third?

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Speaker 3: Okay, So Jack, this is your sixty third wedding anniversary

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Speaker 3: on the day of the game. That's pretty cool, right,

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Speaker 3: it really is.

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Speaker 2: And that all came about was football two Back in

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Speaker 2: nineteen sixty one when we were married, I was a

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Speaker 2: junior high school coach in Canton, Ohio, and our season

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Speaker 2: went right until the middle of November. High school season

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Speaker 2: and the varsity coach of McKinley invited the junior high

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Speaker 2: week in preparation for the game. So the next week

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Speaker 2: which was again November twenty fifth, but we waited for

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Speaker 2: the season to be ended. So the way it works

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Speaker 1: Gotcha?

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Speaker 2: Got you? So? Uh? Jack?

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Speaker 1: You know, when you just step back and look at it,

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Speaker 1: how cool is it to have both John and Jim

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Speaker 2: Well, it's uh, it's interesting. I wouldn't I wouldn't say

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Speaker 2: I have really any kind of deep emotion about it.

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Speaker 2: I've always found coaching is coaching. I mean, I was

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Speaker 2: of those games was a super Bowl. When you win,

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Speaker 2: and even the things were disappointments, you know, you learn

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Speaker 2: I think it's a blessing. So in the NFL, though

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Speaker 2: thirty two teams, there's only thirty two coaches, and to

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Speaker 2: have John and Jim coaching at that level just brings

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Speaker 2: joy and happiness to Jackie and myself.

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Speaker 3: That's great. When Jim was hired again by the Chargers

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Speaker 3: about that. But then you also know there's a date

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Speaker 3: these the swirling of emotions. And I'll bring back thoughts

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Speaker 3: to the Super Bowl. What was your thought when when Jim,

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Speaker 3: that there was going to be this date between these

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Speaker 2: Well, it's kind of a process really. I mean, first

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Speaker 2: of all, he's gone to the Chargers, and we know

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Speaker 2: there won't be a Super Bowl, so that was somewhat

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Speaker 2: of a relief.

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Speaker 3: You don't have to worry that anymore.

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Speaker 2: No, you didn't have to worry about that one. The

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Speaker 2: other one was when the schedules came out, you realize

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Speaker 3: Right, just family, just just the whole angle, the family

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Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, Well you didn't.

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Speaker 3: That's because you didn't know Jack and Jackie's wedding anniversary.

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Speaker 1: Of course I celebrated every year. Jack, congratulations. But if

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Speaker 3: Love that makes us old, still a young man, still

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Speaker 1: That's funny. So, Jack, you know you you've helped both

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Speaker 3: Well, you know you obviously both of them credit you

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 3: I mean you mentioned earlier you're not watching the film

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Speaker 2: It's kind of interesting. Uh. Well, I don't go back

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Speaker 2: The one thing John is is he is deeply involved

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Speaker 1: Nooy, gotcha.

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Speaker 3: you talk about, uh, just your experiences as a coach

438
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Speaker 3: and as a dad and with John and Jim and

439
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Speaker 3: watching them grow up and just kind of the legacy

440
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Speaker 3: of coaching. One thing that John has certainly become invested

441
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Speaker 3: in is the Hartball Coaching Academy. And this is for

442
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Speaker 3: any listeners out there. This is a resource for coaches

443
00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:11,960
Speaker 3: or really anybody parents you know, from athletes, athletes, parents, coaches,

444
00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:14,600
Speaker 3: and you can go to Hartball Coaching Academy dot com

445
00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:17,199
Speaker 3: and there's all sorts of lessons and interviews and perspective

446
00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:20,080
Speaker 3: and you're involved in that, certainly, Jack And this is

447
00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:22,560
Speaker 3: really a legacy for for not just John but your

448
00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:25,560
Speaker 3: whole family. It's the Harball family. Can you talk a

449
00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:30,320
Speaker 3: little bit about the importance of this platform and the

450
00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:33,680
Speaker 3: Harball Coaching Academy overall.

451
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Speaker 2: We're deeply, deeply invested with it or invested with it.

452
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Speaker 2: It's a I think it's a fantastic thing. And I've

453
00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:43,119
Speaker 2: given a lot of thought as we've gotten into this,

454
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Speaker 2: and I brought it's brought back some things to me

455
00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:48,320
Speaker 2: about the people in my life. You know, the people

456
00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:51,600
Speaker 2: in my life that have put us in put Jack

457
00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:56,240
Speaker 2: and myself in this position. And it starts with your family.

458
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Speaker 2: And the things I would like with this with the

459
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Speaker 2: the Academy is for people to be aware of your parents,

460
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Speaker 2: to be aware of the influence they have on their

461
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:09,680
Speaker 2: young people. You know, my mom and dad, uh went

462
00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:13,960
Speaker 2: to high school. Uh my mom married and she had

463
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Speaker 2: four kids within five years of time. She got married

464
00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:20,880
Speaker 2: and her whole life was about her kids. And uh

465
00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:25,320
Speaker 2: we challenged her, now, I mean my brother, myself, my sister,

466
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:28,280
Speaker 2: and we challenged her, but she rose to the occasion

467
00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:31,240
Speaker 2: on and everything. And the thing that she brought to

468
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Speaker 2: me was patience. I mean she was patient with us.

469
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Speaker 2: I mean challenging and demanding, but showed showed great great

470
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:45,800
Speaker 2: of patience and uh and uh and I appreciate that

471
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Speaker 2: so much. And my dad was a railroad for thirty

472
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Speaker 2: five years. He didn't work like eight five jobs. It

473
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:56,520
Speaker 2: was you'd run a train from Crestline, Ohio to Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania,

474
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Speaker 2: stayed in our day, and then he had come back

475
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Speaker 2: home and spend a couple of days and back and

476
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Speaker 2: forth and back and forth. So he wasn't what you'd

477
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:07,760
Speaker 2: say the prototype dad with being able to think do

478
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:09,880
Speaker 2: the things Dad did. But the one thing he did

479
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:14,000
Speaker 2: for me, he was one tough some of the gun.

480
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Speaker 2: When I say that, I mean he was a boxer

481
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Speaker 2: at one time. And and uh and now I'd go

482
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Speaker 2: to Dad and I'd say, Dad, I'm in the fifth

483
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:26,240
Speaker 2: grade here and this kid's bullying me, this kid's this

484
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:29,359
Speaker 2: kid's doing this and kids. Then he would say this, well,

485
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:32,359
Speaker 2: what are you going to do about it? And I

486
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:34,679
Speaker 2: look at him, I saw a dad, what are you

487
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:37,240
Speaker 2: going to do about it? He said, no, no, what

488
00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 2: you're going to do about it? And then you would go.

489
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Speaker 2: You would go back the next day and you'd be around.

490
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Speaker 2: He'd go, well, what do you do about it? I'd

491
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:47,840
Speaker 2: say well, I didn't do anything. He said, well, don't

492
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Speaker 2: bring it up to me again until you do something

493
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Speaker 2: about it. And then you realize what he was saying

494
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:56,520
Speaker 2: is he's not going to do for you what you

495
00:25:56,640 --> 00:26:00,240
Speaker 2: should be doing for yourself. You better, you better line

496
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 2: up and step up and take take charge of it.

497
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 2: So it was never him fighting any of our battles

498
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:09,359
Speaker 2: with the coach. If the coach we didn't coach, I

499
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:11,480
Speaker 2: think the coach was playing us enough. But what are

500
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:13,720
Speaker 2: you going to do about it? You better get you

501
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:16,680
Speaker 2: better get moving, you better, you better get on the ball.

502
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Speaker 2: And so I remember so many opportunities like that, and

503
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:23,200
Speaker 2: I think, you know, if you know, you know, parents,

504
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:28,239
Speaker 2: patience and allow your children to do for themselves what

505
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:30,960
Speaker 2: they can and not rely on some of the other people.

506
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:33,879
Speaker 2: And then I went to Bowling Green State University on

507
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 2: a full scholarship, and I ran into a guy by

508
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:39,679
Speaker 2: named Dutt Perry. He's a Hall of Fame coach. He

509
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:44,480
Speaker 2: was the first coach that Woody Hayes hired at Ohio

510
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 2: State as his running backs coach. Det was running backs

511
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Speaker 2: coach he coached hop along Cassidy. In nineteen fifty four,

512
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Speaker 2: they won a national championship and hop Along Cassidy was

513
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:59,440
Speaker 2: the Heisman Trophy winner. And he came to Bowling Green

514
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:03,200
Speaker 2: then a school that he went to nineteen fifty seven

515
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:07,879
Speaker 2: as the football coach. And he one thing he did

516
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Speaker 2: he first day of class. Let me just clear my

517
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 2: throat here. First day of class, he said, take out

518
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:18,359
Speaker 2: your pencil and paper and write this down because this

519
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 2: is going to be the opening the question of the

520
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:25,160
Speaker 2: final examination. He was teaching a football class, a three

521
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:29,000
Speaker 2: hour class. We met on Monday, Wednesday and Friday. First day.

522
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Speaker 2: Take out your pencil and paper. This is what you're

523
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 2: going to have to do to be a successful coach.

524
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:36,639
Speaker 2: He started with number three, You've got to have a

525
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 2: love and passion for the game. You can't just like it.

526
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 2: You've got to love it. You've got to love football.

527
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 2: Number two, You've got the outwork all those that you're

528
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 2: going to come in contact with. None of you in

529
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 2: here are going to outsmart anyone. I've recruited you all.

530
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:57,239
Speaker 2: None of you can out smart anyone. You've got to

531
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Speaker 2: outwork them. Outwork number two. And then it was a

532
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 2: drum roll like number one, Mary why and that was

533
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:10,399
Speaker 2: the first question. And I will say I got the

534
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:13,720
Speaker 2: first question right there, you go. I'll tell you about two, three,

535
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 2: four and five, But I know I got the first

536
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Speaker 2: one right.

537
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:18,879
Speaker 3: We got to see three years, six, two years proofs

538
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:20,640
Speaker 3: in the pudding right there, that's right.

539
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 2: And so the next the next class I had was

540
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Speaker 2: a biology class, and in that class was a young

541
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Speaker 2: lady by the name of Jackie Sapiti. And we were

542
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:31,480
Speaker 2: freshmen together, and she was in the front row and

543
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:33,920
Speaker 2: I was in the back row, and I'm looking. I'm thinking,

544
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:37,359
Speaker 2: that is the most beautiful young lady I have ever

545
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 2: seen in my entire life. Took me about four weeks

546
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:41,840
Speaker 2: to say a low to her, because I thought she

547
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 2: was so far out of my class that it was

548
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 2: no possible way. We were friends for three years. She

549
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:51,880
Speaker 2: went overseas for one year and studied in a field

550
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 2: up program that they had you could go overseas, and

551
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 2: came back as a senior. We started to date, and

552
00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 2: then in November twenty fifth and nineteen sixty one we

553
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:06,239
Speaker 2: were married. And and that changed my life. Uh. She

554
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:12,240
Speaker 2: was she was so focused on the good things, doing

555
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:16,719
Speaker 2: be doing right, and grammar I was. I was strung

556
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 2: with grammar. I couldn't put a sentence together without.

557
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Speaker 1: Kid me out. I'm a writer here. I think Jackie

558
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 1: could help me out. So on that way exactly, I.

559
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 2: Would say something like grammatically wrong, and she would go so,

560
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 2: and then she would say it right, and that she

561
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 2: wouldn't correct me. She wouldn't say you're doing it wrong.

562
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 2: And then finally I caught on to her. I know

563
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 2: what she's doing, and I got to figure it out.

564
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 2: And my grammar is better. I won't say it's perfect.

565
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 2: I always say it's good. But and then, uh, you know,

566
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 2: we were married in seventy in the sixty one, and

567
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 2: the kids and and she is the heart and soul

568
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 2: of this family. And here's a quick story. I hope

569
00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 2: I'm not talking to am. I talking to you.

570
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 3: You're good, you're ye love the stories. We love the stories.

571
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:06,440
Speaker 2: So the other the other story that came up is

572
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 2: is uh uh bo sham Becker came up with a

573
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Speaker 2: line one that the team, the team, the team. I

574
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:20,520
Speaker 2: was here for seven years and very few days went

575
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 2: by that he didn't use the team, the team, the

576
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 2: team in some form of context, something about something you'd

577
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 2: always no one's more important than the team, not the coach,

578
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 2: no players more important the team. It's about on on on.

579
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 2: So we John and Jim were young, they were like

580
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:43,719
Speaker 2: five and six years old, were a little older than that.

581
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 2: We were here in ann Arbory. I came home one

582
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Speaker 2: night about ten thirty. I had a bad day at

583
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Speaker 2: the office. I mean bad day. Things didn't go well,

584
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 2: the practice didn't go well. I'm not feeling real good.

585
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 2: Come home about ten thirty and I walk in the

586
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Speaker 2: house and she's sitting on the couch, sibon and obviously

587
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 2: she didn't have a very good day either, and so

588
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 2: I what's wrong? She said, well, this happened, and that happened.

589
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 2: John did this, and Jim did this, and Joni did this.

590
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 2: I mean, she's going on and on. And when my frustration,

591
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 2: I said, what do you want me to do? What

592
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 2: do you want me to do? You want me to

593
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 2: go up there, grab him out of bed, shake them up?

594
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 2: Is that what you want? And I lost it right,

595
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 2: and she was crying and she goes, no, no, I'm

596
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:32,479
Speaker 2: not asking you to do that. I'm just asking you

597
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 2: to listen to me. Just to listen to me. Let

598
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 2: me tell you to tell the story. So that same night,

599
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 2: we sat and we talked in a team the team,

600
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 2: the team, the team, the team. And we came up

601
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 2: with this. I said, Jackie, you know we you and

602
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 2: I are responsible for two teams. The first team is

603
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 2: right here in this house. We have three young youngsters

604
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 2: and and they're they're doing well in school there this

605
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 2: is this is when it all comes to the end.

606
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 2: You know, this is going to be the number one

607
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:14,240
Speaker 2: team that we're responsible for. The other team is when

608
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 2: I go off to work every day. It's important that

609
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 2: that we have success and we do well, and and

610
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 2: and I treat them as I would treat my own kids. Really,

611
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 2: it's it's an extension of our family. Here is the

612
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 2: youngsters that we coach. So here's what we're going to do. Jackie.

613
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 2: You are the head football coach, or that you are

614
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 2: the head coach of the Harbaugh family. You are the

615
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 2: head coach. I will be a coordinator offensively defensively however,

616
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 2: I'll coach positions. I'll help in any way I possibly can.

617
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 2: But when you make a decision, just like we do

618
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 2: with Bou shamp Bo, sham Becker comes in and says, guys,

619
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Speaker 2: this is where we're going to do it. He's the

620
00:32:58,120 --> 00:32:59,959
Speaker 2: head coach. That's the way we're going to do it.

621
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 2: You're going to be the be that head coach the team,

622
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 2: the team, the team, and uh and I was off.

623
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 2: And then Jackie, as I say, got the kids involved

624
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 2: with with the team as well, and that just mad.

625
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 2: This man had a life changing uh experience for us

626
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 2: as is taking something that Bo Shamblecker talked about. In fact,

627
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 2: it's the legendary here. I mean you can go into

628
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 2: on the YouTube or all those and look up the team,

629
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 2: the team, the team, and you hear Bo Shambcker tell

630
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 2: the story the wait for seven years. I heard it

631
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 2: with numbing repetition and how it related to our our

632
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 2: family building. And this one last I know I'm talking

633
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 2: about that, just one last thing about this family thing.

634
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 2: The uh duyt Perry back to him again. He used

635
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 2: to talk about coaching and teaching being synonymous. He was

636
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 2: talking about the team team in the building. Coaching and

637
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:08,879
Speaker 2: teaching were synonymous. To be a good coach, you better

638
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 2: be a good teacher. If you can't teach, you can

639
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 2: know all the football in the world. You can know schemes.

640
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 2: I mean, you could know all the things that you

641
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:19,920
Speaker 2: need to know about football. But if you can't teach

642
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:23,880
Speaker 2: it and can't relate it, relate it to someone else

643
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:27,400
Speaker 2: in a fashion that they can learn it. You're not

644
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:29,239
Speaker 2: going to be a good you're not going to be

645
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 2: a good teacher. And if you're a coach and can't teach,

646
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 2: or if you're a teacher and can't coach it, I mean,

647
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:38,799
Speaker 2: it's got to go hand in hand. And then in

648
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:41,360
Speaker 2: the process, I can't tell you exactly what it happened.

649
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:46,280
Speaker 2: I kind of added onto that parenting. I think parenting

650
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 2: is the same thing. All the things you have to

651
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 2: do to be a good coach on the field, you

652
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 2: need to do within within your own family. And you've

653
00:34:57,080 --> 00:35:00,160
Speaker 2: got to be tough, love the discipline of patience that

654
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 2: my mom gave me, the discipline of doing them doing

655
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 2: others doing for themselves what they need to do without

656
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 2: depending always on someone else. You know, that's the kind

657
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:15,800
Speaker 2: of parenting that that you need to relate to both

658
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 2: coaching football and and and the raising your family and

659
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 2: and uh and I what I'm trying to say, I

660
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 2: guess here is those lessons that we've learned along the

661
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:28,800
Speaker 2: way as it relates to coaching football and raising a family,

662
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:33,760
Speaker 2: and and teamwork and and coaching together and and putting

663
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 2: this thing together are the things that I think John

664
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:40,799
Speaker 2: and and Jim are are trying to facilitate in this

665
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 2: uh in this academy, this uh this academy, and and

666
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:48,880
Speaker 2: and I think hopefully the people that that listen to,

667
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 2: people that that uh uh use some of these different

668
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 2: lessons that's helpful in their life.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, jack I have one last question for me is uh,

670
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 1: you know, I mean John and the Ravens have really

671
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:07,279
Speaker 1: been kind of the gold standard of consistent excellence in

672
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:10,239
Speaker 1: the NFL since he arrived, which is a hard thing

673
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 1: to do in a league that is so driven towards parody. Right,

674
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:17,759
Speaker 1: it is really hard to stay on top and consistently

675
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:22,840
Speaker 1: be contending for championships. Jim gets to LA and immediately

676
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 1: you snap your fingers and hey, they're right back in

677
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,319
Speaker 1: the playoff hunt. They're in the thick of things, right,

678
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 1: turns them around super fast. Obviously, you being college football

679
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:34,840
Speaker 1: National championship coach. What is it about the Harballs? Why

680
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:38,239
Speaker 1: are the Hardball's good coaches?

681
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 2: Thank God for moms. Go right back to Jackie, I

682
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:48,719
Speaker 2: mean the head coach. She was the head coach of them,

683
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 2: and it's still she is still is. I mean, if

684
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:53,839
Speaker 2: you watch your here watching a football game, I mean

685
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 2: that would be that would be a best seller in

686
00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:02,279
Speaker 2: any any venue you'd want to watch it. Officials can't officiate,

687
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:05,759
Speaker 2: all can't take a good bounce. What's he thinking with you?

688
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 2: I mean she is on on top of it. But no,

689
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 2: I'm seriously as is. They've had me around and but

690
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:19,240
Speaker 2: she's been around them fourteen fifteen, sixteen hours a day

691
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 2: when they were growing up. She goes with the grandkids

692
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 2: now and to watch her with the grandkids, I mean,

693
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,759
Speaker 2: I'm looking. I said, I've seen this movie. I know

694
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:31,839
Speaker 2: all this is going to work out because she's she is.

695
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 2: She is so strong and loves them so much and

696
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 2: gives them so much, so much attention. And as I say,

697
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 2: back in nineteen fifty seven, in that biology class room,

698
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:47,880
Speaker 2: I look down into row number one and in that

699
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 2: that class and and h four years later we were married.

700
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:55,239
Speaker 2: That was the decision that changed my life. And I

701
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:58,840
Speaker 2: would say that Jackie being with our three kids, Julie

702
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:03,360
Speaker 2: and Jolie's well can igine. She married a basketball and

703
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 2: she would call Jackie. You know, Tom was actual to

704
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:09,720
Speaker 2: be coaching teams and it still does, and she wants

705
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 2: to talk to Jackie and how do you handle this

706
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 2: or how do you work with this? And and that's

707
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:16,960
Speaker 2: why I go back again. We're just so blessed to

708
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:22,280
Speaker 2: the Jackie's with us, and and uh and she's still

709
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 2: she's still the head coach of the Harbaugh family.

710
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:26,920
Speaker 1: That's all. I see why you've been married sixty three

711
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 1: years giving your wife all this credit jacket? Smart man,

712
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:31,240
Speaker 1: smart man?

713
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:34,719
Speaker 2: Who I want you to know if you would have

714
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:36,880
Speaker 2: seen me before I'm married, And you say, who in

715
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:41,239
Speaker 2: the hell is this guy that looking at today? A

716
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:43,719
Speaker 2: lot of good things that happened to me that day

717
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 2: in that biology class.

718
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 1: That's great. So it sounds like Jackie is going to

719
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 1: be maybe the one pacing around the house the most

720
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 1: on Monday night, more than you is she When she's

721
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:55,280
Speaker 1: watching the game, she's the most animated out of the bunch.

722
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:58,280
Speaker 2: We can't we cannot watch the game together.

723
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 1: You're upstairs.

724
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 2: We got luckily, we got we got two televisions, two

725
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 2: different rooms. One I's in the basement and one I's

726
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:08,279
Speaker 2: up on the on the first floor. Jackie gets the

727
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 2: first floor because you know, she's the head coach and

728
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 2: I'm in the basement. But the problem is the problem

729
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:20,320
Speaker 2: is they delay. There's about a it seemed like a second,

730
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 2: so it can't be much. But she's up here. She

731
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:28,720
Speaker 2: gets it before I do, right, and I hear no,

732
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 2: And I'm thinking, as the quarterback gets the ball, this

733
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:34,280
Speaker 2: isn't going to be good.

734
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:38,880
Speaker 1: Soda.

735
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:42,919
Speaker 2: But I don't know. We'll probably we'll probably all watch

736
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 2: it down there together. I don't know, don't we don't get.

737
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 2: We don't get put in separate rooms. But the other

738
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:52,400
Speaker 2: is that when she goes nothing, Oh, I'm gonna like

739
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 2: this play. And here's how we got to that point

740
00:39:57,040 --> 00:40:00,719
Speaker 2: when when we're watching together, we're in this room together, right,

741
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 2: and a play is going off. It could be going well,

742
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:08,600
Speaker 2: and it could not be going well. Jackie cannot sit

743
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 2: and watch me. I'm quiet. I I'm sitting there and

744
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:15,759
Speaker 2: my arms across and I'm engaged in the game. I

745
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:20,360
Speaker 2: don't talk. But she jumps up and gets into a

746
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 2: football position right in front of the screen, and I'm

747
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 2: trying to look around her to see the play. And

748
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 2: then I'll say, Jackie, she goes, she gets I'm sorry.

749
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, No, don't be sorry. Just kind of move

750
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 2: over to the lefton and we're going to be all right.

751
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 2: So it's an adventure when you when you watch the

752
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 2: game with the head coach of the Harball family.

753
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 1: That's awesome.

754
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:50,279
Speaker 3: I'm sure that you're for the game on Monday night.

755
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 3: Are the Harballs rooting for a tie? Are jack and

756
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 3: Jackie here rooting for a tie?

757
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 2: A great story on that, if I got time. When

758
00:40:57,520 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 2: we went to the Super Bowl, we were in the

759
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:03,759
Speaker 2: commissioner's box. They have Jackie and I sitting in the

760
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 2: box and uh, Jackie meets the commissioner for the first

761
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:10,279
Speaker 2: time and they're shaking hands in her and the first

762
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 2: thing Jackie says, is there any way this could end

763
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:18,840
Speaker 2: in the tie, to which the commissioner gives her No,

764
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 2: there's no eil very very no. There's no way it

765
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 2: will end in the tie. There will be a winner

766
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:28,799
Speaker 2: in the game. And Jackie said, well, thank you for

767
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 2: and then that was pretty much the end of the

768
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:34,839
Speaker 2: end of the conversation. But now in this game there

769
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:37,800
Speaker 2: is a possibility that there is a possibility.

770
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 1: There you go, So that's what that's what you're crossing

771
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 1: her fingers for.

772
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 2: Well, Jackie and myself, you know I did this, you

773
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 2: know DIDs a well played game, and and I know

774
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 2: both teams are going to compete and and then coach

775
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:55,320
Speaker 2: be well coached and it'll be uh be a tremendous

776
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:58,400
Speaker 2: experience for us, I'm sure awesome.

777
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:00,880
Speaker 1: Well, thank you so much, Jackie. Really loved having you

778
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:04,879
Speaker 1: on with us. Love the stories and enjoy Monday night.

779
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:09,399
Speaker 2: And thank you. Yeah, thank you so much. I hope

780
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 2: I didn't talk. I bet I talked too much.

781
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:13,839
Speaker 1: That's now the story, that's what the podcast for Jack.

782
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:18,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I know I said to myself, Jack, you

783
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 2: need to be quiet, but then I was right in

784
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 2: the middle of a story and I wanted to finish it.

785
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:22,439
Speaker 2: So I just.

786
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 1: Tell you to story. We loved it, We love it.

787
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:26,840
Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Jack.

788
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 2: Thank you, Talk to you later.

789
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 1: Go with you.

790
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:31,879
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Speaker 3: to Jack. I mean, there's no better storyteller out there

806
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 3: than Jack Harbaugh. Most great coach, better storyteller.

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00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:17,919
Speaker 1: Oh for sure, absolutely, And hey, I know that why

808
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:20,919
Speaker 1: he's been married for sixty three years, you know. I mean,

809
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:24,799
Speaker 1: it's just cool to hear him talk about Jackie and

810
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:26,799
Speaker 1: uh and yeah, and their emotions going into this one.

811
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 1: It feels like not quite as high emotions as the

812
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 1: Super Bowl, which is understandable, understandable, But like he said,

813
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:36,759
Speaker 1: I bet when that ball is kicked off Monday night,

814
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:40,719
Speaker 1: it's gonna feel very reminiscent. I bet it's a big game.

815
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:42,239
Speaker 1: It's not that big, but it's a big game.

816
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:42,480
Speaker 2: Yeah.

817
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 3: It's interesting, you know, hearing him talk about him and

818
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:46,680
Speaker 3: John talking about it a week ago and they just saying,

819
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 3: you know, look that it's still a regular season. You know,

820
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:51,759
Speaker 3: it's a little bit different, and and it is.

821
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 1: It's look now, if they face each other in the

822
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 1: AFC Championship, Yeah, it's like he was like, oh, well,

823
00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 1: you know, at least when Jim went to the Chargers,

824
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:00,839
Speaker 1: he knew there was not gonna be another super Bowl

825
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:03,439
Speaker 1: against each other. Tell you what the ANFC Championship would

826
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 1: feel pretty big?

827
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 3: Do we feel pretty similar? Feel pretty similar? I mean

828
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 3: I think it's cool. Obviously, John's been here a long time,

829
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 3: super successful, has has been a great coach, and you

830
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 3: mentioned it to Jack. Jim gets back to the NFL

831
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:19,319
Speaker 3: in his first year with the Chargers, has them right

832
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:21,479
Speaker 3: back in the thick of things. He's a great coach,

833
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 3: He's he's won at every level. So you have two

834
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:26,760
Speaker 3: of the premier coaches in this sport who are brothers,

835
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:29,239
Speaker 3: great family, and now they match up on Monday Night

836
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 3: football on their parents' anniversary, like they just it truly

837
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:34,400
Speaker 3: is like a Hollywood story.

838
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:37,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, it really is. I mean, you thought he couldn't

839
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 1: get any better than the Super Bowl story, and here

840
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 1: they are, you know, Jim goes and wins the National

841
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:45,719
Speaker 1: Championship in Michigan, and now he's back and facing each

842
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:48,319
Speaker 1: other again. And hey, John's two and oh right, so

843
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:50,400
Speaker 1: that's that's the thing with John, right, he won the

844
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 1: Super Bowl, So you're never gonna be able top that

845
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 1: as long as Jim never goes to the NFC.

846
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:54,759
Speaker 2: Yeah.

847
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 1: And then also, he's got it. He's two and o

848
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 1: right now. So even if the Charger where to win,

849
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 1: let's not even go down there. That's not gonna happen.

850
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:05,440
Speaker 1: But then Jim, then John stillhead.

851
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 3: I can guarantee that he's not thinking about that.

852
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 1: No, No, he wants to be three and oh yes,

853
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:16,400
Speaker 1: yes for sure. I mean, hey, I've got an older brother. Uh,

854
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:19,440
Speaker 1: and you've got a brother as well. Yeah, two brothers.

855
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:22,439
Speaker 1: I'm sorry and sorry, let me say it again. You've

856
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:25,400
Speaker 1: got two brothers as well, and so we know what

857
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 1: it feels like to compete against your brothers. Yeah, and uh,

858
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:30,720
Speaker 1: that never ever goes away.

859
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:33,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, totally. And I'm sure that John and will be

860
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 3: feeling this week. And again, it was just fun to

861
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:38,279
Speaker 3: talk to Jack and get some of his stories, and

862
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:40,799
Speaker 3: like I said, he's the best storyteller in the.

863
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:44,320
Speaker 1: Biz yep, absolutely so thank you for listening. As always,

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Speaker 1: you can reach us at the Lounge at Ravens dot

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Speaker 1: NFL dot net and we'll be back later this week

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Speaker 1: to give you our preview of this Ravens Chargers battle

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Speaker 1: as well as talk about some of the biggest points

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Speaker 1: of the week. So thanks for listening.