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Speaker 2: In today's episode, we are talking about The Penguin episode six,
Speaker 2: The Gold Summit.
Speaker 3: In the Airlock.
Speaker 2: We will be digging into it, recapping what happened and
Speaker 2: also the questions, the many questions it leaves us with
Speaker 2: as we head into the final two episodes of the season.
Speaker 1: Up next episode six, The Gold Summit. We open with
Speaker 1: Oz narrating the come up of his Bliss operation. As
Speaker 1: we see Vic on his brand new, beautiful, shiny motorbike
Speaker 1: arriving back in the tunnels.
Speaker 3: I thought it was Catwoman. It looks a lot like
Speaker 3: Catwoman's bike.
Speaker 2: I was like, okay, pretty cool. How long do you
Speaker 2: think this has been.
Speaker 1: I think it's been like two months.
Speaker 3: Okay, three months makes sense.
Speaker 1: Oz uh is telling his his minions that the opportunity
Speaker 1: is there to grab the city. The falcones are teetering.
Speaker 1: It's just Sophia now calling herself Sophia Gigante. The Maroni's
Speaker 1: or they're weak, they're almost nothing. There's an opening for
Speaker 1: an upstart organization like theirs. Bliss is booming, street level
Speaker 1: crews profiting off this rising red tide of Bliss, and
Speaker 1: it's Vic's job on the back of his motorcycle to
Speaker 1: run product to the streets and then collect cash. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: oz is, of course double dealing. He shakes Vic into
Speaker 1: his little office, he shows him the map, He tells
Speaker 1: him about all the street gangs that he's working with,
Speaker 1: and he says, listen, of course I'm allied with this
Speaker 1: one and this gang hates that gang, and they don't
Speaker 1: know I'm working together. But let's keep them out of that.
Speaker 1: They don't have to know that right now, because you
Speaker 1: know this is benefiting everybody.
Speaker 2: He's such a short sighted man.
Speaker 3: That is like my favorite.
Speaker 1: I think it's I think he's actually got a pretty
Speaker 1: good long viewing his plan. No, well, I will say
Speaker 1: that I do think there's significant improvisation. Yes, yes, yet right.
Speaker 3: I would say that's a good way to put it.
Speaker 1: But I think I would put it this way. He's
Speaker 1: looking as far ahead as he can. He is not
Speaker 1: at the top of the mountain like Sofia and the
Speaker 1: Maronis and the rest. They can look down at their
Speaker 1: the gangs and see them coming. He's at the bottom
Speaker 1: at the valley, and he can't see around the corner.
Speaker 1: He can only see too the corner. And so I
Speaker 1: think I agree with you that he is somewhat short sighted,
Speaker 1: but he's trying to see as far ahead as he
Speaker 1: possibly can. And Oz mentions to Vic that with all
Speaker 1: these deals that he's forged, with all this kind of
Speaker 1: patchwork network of gangs, the most important, the most crucial
Speaker 1: among them is the Triads. He has to get them
Speaker 1: on his side.
Speaker 2: Because they can go into national.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and one of the most powerful that can go
Speaker 1: against the Maronis and the Falcons. They're the ones that
Speaker 1: he needs. Big problem for the underground headquarters and for
Speaker 1: Crown Point in particular, is power. There's not enough electricity
Speaker 1: how we're still off all throughout Crown Point. This is
Speaker 1: now how long do we think this has been now?
Speaker 1: So if it's three months ish since the last episode,
Speaker 1: it's been six months.
Speaker 3: No, no, no.
Speaker 2: The show started like a week after the Batman, so
Speaker 2: it's literally been like three or four months with no power.
Speaker 1: So it's been four months, four months no power and
Speaker 1: Crown Point City Hall apparently is rationing electricity. Meanwhile, you
Speaker 1: can look at the skyline see the rest of the
Speaker 1: city is lit up like a Christmas tree. Vic tells Oz. Hey,
Speaker 1: by the way, when I was running product, there's people
Speaker 1: watching like I don't know if they're Falcone. I don't
Speaker 1: know if they're Maroni, I don't know if they're Giganty whatever.
Speaker 1: They're trying to locate us. Nobody knows we're underground thus far.
Speaker 1: And I says, listen, here's what's important, keeping the love
Speaker 1: of the streets. You got to keep the love of
Speaker 1: the street. He wants to be.
Speaker 2: The Rex Calibrazy of his life.
Speaker 3: That's why he wants more than anything.
Speaker 1: That's what will protect us, Oz tells Vic. And I
Speaker 1: think he really believes it that what they're doing right now,
Speaker 1: it's gonna go down and legend, Are you kidding me?
Speaker 2: And Vick is definitely yeah, he's he is drinking the
Speaker 2: kool aid at this point, like he.
Speaker 1: A little silver plated nickel plated gun now, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: And his grin is like he feels like he believes
Speaker 2: Oz and he trusts OZ and that there's this version
Speaker 2: of his life now where he'll be able to, you know,
Speaker 2: be remembered. And also Oz is using that classic Mobs
Speaker 2: the line, which you know, in this case is at
Speaker 2: least partially true, where he's like, we're looking after the streets.
Speaker 2: Everyone in your community has money. Now you're giving them jobs.
Speaker 2: You're making that happen.
Speaker 1: It's an interesting point. Let's return to this because I
Speaker 1: want to talk about that. We go to Falcone Manor,
Speaker 1: where our ourf wolf wolf Sophia has officially turned doctor
Speaker 1: Rush into doctor Fido Dogs right. He is obedient to
Speaker 1: her and he loves it.
Speaker 3: And for all the bad.
Speaker 1: Things he did, he's done so many bad things and
Speaker 1: he needs to be punished. He's tied to a chair,
Speaker 1: he's all scratched up.
Speaker 2: She's wearing a delightful design a slip once again.
Speaker 1: She's she's uh, you know, using him for her own
Speaker 1: sexual pleasure, and Oz just a complete, you know, completely
Speaker 1: subservient to to. Sophia even offers up, hey, if you
Speaker 1: get a hold of Oz, I'd love to I'd love
Speaker 1: to help you essentially torture.
Speaker 3: Yeah. He's like, I'll use my skill training.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Salmaroni is staying at the house.
Speaker 2: He's cooking dinner and she's like, stay in your rem bro,
Speaker 2: and he's like, no, I need to cook this dish
Speaker 2: to remind me of my wife was also cooked.
Speaker 1: Yeah, gave me some pointers on the on the on
Speaker 1: the yogurt level and whatever. This sauces and he clearly
Speaker 1: is hurting for his family and and thirsting for some
Speaker 1: feeling of family. He looks to so feel like how's
Speaker 1: it taste?
Speaker 2: Like yeah, like is this that? And she she can
Speaker 2: see I actually, there's so many great moments in this
Speaker 2: episode that are just double handers, like two people in
Speaker 2: a room together just chatting. And this is a great
Speaker 2: one because she can immediately see how to ingratiate herself
Speaker 2: with him because she eats it and she says, Taj
Speaker 2: was right, is really delicious, Like she sees that he
Speaker 2: sees her. Could she be a potential daughter. She's someone
Speaker 2: whose father abandoned her. Now she now this guy's missing
Speaker 2: his son, and she already we see throughout this episode
Speaker 2: has like the clear power in this Maroni Jigante kind
Speaker 2: of collab, let's call it.
Speaker 1: They talk about what Oz is up to. Sal has
Speaker 1: some idea, but about the various gangs that he might
Speaker 1: be trying to alie with, and Sofia's like, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: the Triads, or we go after the Triads because he
Speaker 1: needs them.
Speaker 2: And she knows because she had the meeting, right, that's
Speaker 2: exactly right.
Speaker 1: And the problem, as Sally puts it, is the Triads
Speaker 1: have been screwed by both the Maronis and the Falcon Gigantes,
Speaker 1: So what are they gonna do? Sofia's plan is really simple.
Speaker 1: It's just like we kill their guys on the street.
Speaker 1: We just lean on them really hard. In the East
Speaker 1: Side Crash Pad Oz is struggling to keep the power
Speaker 1: going in the apartment. The generator clearly isn't up to
Speaker 1: the job. It's clear also that Mom Cobb, Francis Cobb,
Speaker 1: has grown fond of Vic and at the same time
Speaker 1: she's her mental state is deteriorating pretty fast.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's had dementi is clearly.
Speaker 1: It's clearly gone. Yeah, it's in control. She thinks Vic
Speaker 1: is one of the boys. She thinks Oz is her husband. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: Vick is kind of playing into it. He's like it,
Speaker 1: kind of plays along in order to keep things peaceful,
Speaker 1: and Oz hates that.
Speaker 2: Well, you know what's really funny about that is actually
Speaker 2: there is a belief within certain like you know, Carara
Speaker 2: communities of people who have Alzheimer's or dementia, of like
Speaker 2: a compassionate lie where where you don't constantly retraumatize someone
Speaker 2: by saying, actually your sons are dead. You go, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: they've just gone out, and then that memory is gone
Speaker 2: the next time you talk about it. You can deal
Speaker 2: with it in a different way. So Vic is actually
Speaker 2: keeping the peace and keeping mum Cob happy. Vic is
Speaker 2: doing that, and Oz is really unhappy about it.
Speaker 3: He finds it.
Speaker 2: I can see immediately there that this kind of friendly
Speaker 2: face that he has put on with Vic is only
Speaker 2: it's just that it's a mask.
Speaker 3: He does believe it is. He does care for Vic.
Speaker 2: A little, but the moment he sees his mum feeling
Speaker 2: tenderness to Vic, he is like consumed with jealousy.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's jealousy so much is its protectiveness.
Speaker 1: I think he thinks, having seen situations like this, people
Speaker 1: dealing with a family member who is slipping. Yeah, my
Speaker 1: read on it is VIC thinks she's going to come back.
Speaker 1: He thinks if we keep telling her what the truth is,
Speaker 1: she'll snap out of it, she'll get better.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And I think Vic, you know, obviously, without any kind
Speaker 1: of expertise or understanding, purely on instinct and a kind
Speaker 1: of you know, a generous instinct, is just playing along
Speaker 1: in order to keep her placated and keep her happy,
Speaker 1: thinking quality of life is what matters here. But I
Speaker 1: think that it could be jealousy. Maybe there's some of that,
Speaker 1: but I think primarily what's happening is is thinking, oh
Speaker 1: Oz can't let go of his mom, he can't let
Speaker 1: go of who she was, and he thinks that that's
Speaker 1: coming back, and that Vic. What VIC is doing is
Speaker 1: is allowing her to slip further into the dream. I
Speaker 1: think that's dementia.
Speaker 2: That's a great point.
Speaker 1: Os Get's call that the triads are they're pulling out underneath,
Speaker 1: understandably because the guys are getting fucking murdered on the street.
Speaker 1: You throw it on the news and there's just guys
Speaker 1: hang it upside down from like from the side of buildings,
Speaker 1: very Cartel's.
Speaker 2: Specifically, there's a hanging element and they chop off the
Speaker 2: little finger. So Oz immediately knows this is morony, and
Speaker 2: Sophia like, this is them saying, remember when you cut
Speaker 2: off Alberta's finger to make it look like I did it?
Speaker 2: Oh remember how you you know, framed me up for
Speaker 2: being the hangman? Like, this is very intentionally pointed.
Speaker 1: I talk about this because later on Sofia in her
Speaker 1: pitch to Eve kind of skipping ahead, but she basically says,
Speaker 1: I'm not the hangman. My dad killed all those women.
Speaker 1: OZ knew and he didn't say anything. I think that
Speaker 1: is an interesting tack from Sophia and also an extremely
Speaker 1: self serving one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, of course, stopping.
Speaker 1: Her from going to the press right now and saying
Speaker 1: I'm not the hangman.
Speaker 2: Yeah no, I think I think specifically.
Speaker 1: She's using her image as the hangman exactly to project
Speaker 1: terror across the streets, meanwhile putting the majority of the
Speaker 1: blame on Oz to try and split his allies from
Speaker 1: him by saying, oh, well, it was Oz who mainly
Speaker 1: framed me.
Speaker 3: But it works in the case.
Speaker 2: It works Eve because the truth is that Oz could
Speaker 2: have told her at any point the real person who
Speaker 2: killed her friends. That's why it is because there is
Speaker 2: personal and if he's proclaiming that they have this truth,
Speaker 2: this honest relationship, and and then she.
Speaker 3: Finds out that.
Speaker 2: Now, obviously it's not that easy because you can't just
Speaker 2: like randomly rat on you know, Carmi and Falcone to
Speaker 2: a woman that you don't know if you can trust.
Speaker 3: But it's a very clever attack.
Speaker 2: From Sofia, and it's also a smart move because it
Speaker 2: does just confirm Also the fact that Sofia turns up
Speaker 2: at Eve's door shows that Oz can't protect her in
Speaker 2: the way that she wanted, you know. But yeah, it's
Speaker 2: it's definitely interesting.
Speaker 3: We'll get we'll get to that.
Speaker 1: We'll get well, we'll get to that. We'll get Oz
Speaker 1: comes up with an idea to offset this.
Speaker 3: This is crazy and I love it.
Speaker 1: The Giganti Maronis. He basically says, let's just flood the streets.
Speaker 1: Flood the streets with free bliss, get people loving it,
Speaker 1: get them hooked.
Speaker 2: In every area, in every tough and when they.
Speaker 1: Go looking for it, we will be the only source.
Speaker 1: You and I our operation. Vic after this has a
Speaker 1: run in with Squids. Squid's trying to muscle in on
Speaker 1: whatever it is that Vix got going. Vix got new shoes,
Speaker 1: Vix got new clothes, Vix got a nice motorcycle, Vix
Speaker 1: got money. A lot of people an what's up?
Speaker 3: Yeah, she wants in.
Speaker 1: And what about that old lady I've seen you with?
Speaker 1: Who's she? I bet it? You know what if I
Speaker 1: go looking for her, give me an introduction to the
Speaker 1: people you're working for, Squid says, Vic walks away. Sal
Speaker 1: and Sophia then break into Oz's apartment and there they
Speaker 1: find out about Eve, to which I say, what took
Speaker 1: you song? You're just now going there?
Speaker 3: Yeah, also as well, not just that.
Speaker 2: I love the moment where Sal is like so angry
Speaker 2: because there's nothing OZ cares about.
Speaker 1: She's like break break, break ship.
Speaker 2: She's like, just distract yourself while I go and find
Speaker 2: out what actually is going on.
Speaker 1: Oz returns to the apartment. He finds that Mom has
Speaker 1: has been this is terrible. The water has gone cold,
Speaker 1: She's been trapped in the tub. She can't get up
Speaker 1: she lost motor control. She's trapped in the in the
Speaker 1: tub for hours, who knows, freezing. He covers her up,
Speaker 1: helps her out, and in a moment of clarity, his mom,
Speaker 1: distressed at the progression of this disease, tells Oz that
Speaker 1: she can't live like this Anymore's she doesn't want to
Speaker 1: be a vegetable. He's got to help her die. Essentially,
Speaker 1: Oz doesn't want to do it, doesn't want to do it,
Speaker 1: doesn't want to do it, but eventually it kind of agrees.
Speaker 1: But then, in a kind of heartbreaking final tag to
Speaker 1: this scene, he helps her get dressed really nice with
Speaker 1: his jewelry and make up so that she can look
Speaker 1: like the powerful woman that she was.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like mospy queen that she aspired to be.
Speaker 1: Vic comes home to the apartment. Oz is working on
Speaker 1: the power and obviously still hurting over the conversation he
Speaker 1: just had with Mom, but he's he's taking it out
Speaker 1: on his frustrations about the electricity. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think there's like an interesting kind of like regression
Speaker 2: here for Oz, where like we always see him trying
Speaker 2: to dress as smart as possible, trying to show that
Speaker 2: he's like above everyone else, But here we see him
Speaker 2: like almost back in the role of the driver, the mechanic.
Speaker 2: He's fit, he's working on the generator, he's wearing overalls,
Speaker 2: and he kind of can't get out of this fear
Speaker 2: that he has about what's happening to his mom. Like
Speaker 2: he he can't hear what Vick is saying. When Vick
Speaker 2: is trying to tell him that there might be a
Speaker 2: serious problem.
Speaker 1: That's an interesting I have a take on that too.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about that in a second. Vic tells Os
Speaker 1: about Squid that this is a problem we're gonna have
Speaker 1: to deal with. This guy's he's sniffing around. He's I
Speaker 1: don't know what he's going to do. Oz completely blows
Speaker 1: past this.
Speaker 3: And event he's just like deal with it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, events about mom and the illness and how powerless
Speaker 1: it all makes him feel. And Vic says, well, you know,
Speaker 1: the good thing is that she here with us, She's
Speaker 1: here with you, And then Oz is like, what did
Speaker 1: you say about that guy? And then Vick is like,
Speaker 1: don't worry, I'll deal with it. I think to your point,
Speaker 1: I do think that Oz is obviously consumed with what's
Speaker 1: happening to his mom. I think this is the thing
Speaker 1: that's behind everything that he does is protecting her, keeping
Speaker 1: her safe and in his mind the way she sees him.
Speaker 1: At the same time, I think this is the moment
Speaker 1: that on a different criminal level, that he pushes vic
Speaker 1: like a motherbird from the nest.
Speaker 3: And oh absolutely, I.
Speaker 1: Think this is the moment where he's like, I think.
Speaker 2: He he knows what the probable outcome is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he's well aware of it. And I
Speaker 1: think he's say and I think to your point, he's saying,
Speaker 1: his ignoring the topic is sincere. But there's also another
Speaker 1: element to it when.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like a Machiavellian light, what are you going to
Speaker 2: do about it?
Speaker 1: Deal with it? This is your problem.
Speaker 2: It's also very ironic when he's like so consumed with
Speaker 2: what's happening with his mom. You know, there's this kind
Speaker 2: of like duality there. But yeah, I love Vick and
Speaker 2: VICX like, I'll deal with it. I'm like, don't do it, bro,
Speaker 2: this quit's crazy. We're gonna take a quick break and
Speaker 2: we'll be right back.
Speaker 1: We're back, sop he asks around for even Eventually, Roxy,
Speaker 1: one of the girls from that night at the club
Speaker 1: with the Bliss giveaway, speaks up and basically gives up
Speaker 1: Eve's apartment. Oz, determined to get the power turned on
Speaker 1: in Crown Point, goes and a costs counselman Hayden. He
Speaker 1: basically says, hey, how would you like if everybody found
Speaker 1: out how you paid off your gambling losses? He puts
Speaker 1: pliers in his nose, he like pulls it his septum,
Speaker 1: and then he's like yeah, you know, and threatens him,
Speaker 1: and then Hayden eventually is like, fine, I'll turn on
Speaker 1: the power, and Iz was like, you have until morning
Speaker 1: the power better fucking Beyond immediately gets a call from
Speaker 1: his gang leaders, the distribution his street level distribution network,
Speaker 1: and it's the leader of the Sullivan's, the Irish gang,
Speaker 1: and he's fucking scared as shit and he's and Oz
Speaker 1: is like, fine, meet me here with everybody.
Speaker 2: And he's also like well why, He's like, why is
Speaker 2: that drugs in my area when my people have already
Speaker 2: been killed, like my kids on the corner. Why is
Speaker 2: that happening? And I was just like, don't worry, don't worry, man,
Speaker 2: just come and let meet me. Not it's all going
Speaker 2: to be good, you know. He smoothed over, as he
Speaker 2: so often does.
Speaker 1: Vic goes to meet Squid and basically tries to say, hey, listen,
Speaker 1: I can't get you in the gang, but here's a
Speaker 1: here's an envelope of money, and you know, maybe we
Speaker 1: make this like a monthly thing, pay you off, you know,
Speaker 1: until a spot opens up, and maybe we can you in,
Speaker 1: you know. And Squid is like, no, fuck the money,
Speaker 1: like I want in. You're gonna let me in no
Speaker 1: matter what, like thinking that he's still the guy that
Speaker 1: can bully them mm hm, and you know, Vic tries
Speaker 1: to warn him, like, listen, this is danger, Like don't
Speaker 1: you're playing with this is bad like that they'll they're
Speaker 1: not gonna take it the right way, and Squid doesn't care.
Speaker 1: So eventually Vic shoots Squid with his fancy new Nickei
Speaker 1: plated nine millimeter and immediately feels really, really fucking.
Speaker 2: I think the most interesting thing about this moment is
Speaker 2: I think what actually drives him to finally make a
Speaker 2: choice to shoot him is Squid keeps insisting on coming
Speaker 2: up to the house where Oz's mom is, and Vic
Speaker 2: is so pushed into a corner by that and not
Speaker 2: wanting to put Mama Cobb in danger and not wanting
Speaker 2: to obviously face the raft of oz if Squid finds out.
Speaker 2: And I think from the moment that Squid said what
Speaker 2: about that old lady I saw you with, Vic kind
Speaker 2: of was considering this.
Speaker 3: But it's really so sad to kind of see it happen.
Speaker 2: And I think something I love about the show, and
Speaker 2: this sequence in particular is like a great example of it.
Speaker 2: It's not like some neat you shoot him in the
Speaker 2: head and then you just feel kind of bad about it,
Speaker 2: like a video game.
Speaker 3: He shoots him in.
Speaker 2: The neck and like hits a vein and and it's
Speaker 2: just flooding with blood spurting out like a horror movie death.
Speaker 1: There's a death rattle.
Speaker 2: There's a death rot and Vic has to watch it
Speaker 2: and he just feels you can see he's just absolutely
Speaker 2: torn up about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's a really important moment. It reminds
Speaker 1: me of in season four of The Wire, you know,
Speaker 1: the one that's centered around these young men on the
Speaker 1: street gam some of whom are are getting sucked more
Speaker 1: into the life, others whom are going straight. But in
Speaker 1: any case, they're just beginning to like sell drugs and
Speaker 1: be involved on a street level, and they get ripped off.
Speaker 1: A pair of them get ripped off by this other
Speaker 1: drug dealer, and so they go and go to beat
Speaker 1: them up, right, but then it turns into they might
Speaker 1: have to shoot them. And I remember watching that and
Speaker 1: being like shoot them and then being like, what's wrong
Speaker 1: with me? Like actually, like I was like so like
Speaker 1: I was, I was so taken aback with how like
Speaker 1: sick and I was that this one kid didn't shoot
Speaker 1: the other kid, and I was like, what the fuck
Speaker 1: is wrong with me? Like that, I wanted this kid
Speaker 1: to kill this other kid, Like that's what you want, right,
Speaker 1: is for the shade of Violas to stop. Anyway, I
Speaker 1: thought this was a really important.
Speaker 4: Scene that they definitely definitely Sophia goes to see Eve,
Speaker 4: and it turns out that it was Eve trying to
Speaker 4: protect her women, the girls that worked for her that
Speaker 4: put out her own location through Roxy, so that.
Speaker 2: She was like, just like come to me, just like
Speaker 2: the girls of the who wouldn't give her up, by
Speaker 2: the way, And.
Speaker 1: She does this primarily because she thinks that Sophia is
Speaker 1: the hangman and might kill all her girls. Sophia and
Speaker 1: sists she's not the hangman. She blames Oz for letting
Speaker 1: the world think she was. Sophia also ruse the fact
Speaker 1: that she understands she'll never have the loyalty of people
Speaker 1: like Eve and the thing that she has with her
Speaker 1: found family of women. And eventually Eve is like, I'll
Speaker 1: tell her, Oz is he's over the east side by
Speaker 1: the zoo.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that is like we were talking about earlier.
Speaker 2: It's very much due to the fact that Eve is
Speaker 2: talking about how these women that were killed were you know,
Speaker 2: they were her family, they were people that she cared about,
Speaker 2: you know, And it is that which tips her over
Speaker 2: the edge where there is a moment where she realizes, well,
Speaker 2: Oz kept this from me, and the thing I have
Speaker 2: to do is protect these women. And how I can
Speaker 2: do that is, you know what, I'll give Sophia her shot.
Speaker 2: Maybe she'll think about us in a different way next time.
Speaker 2: Maybe she went turn up at my house dressed in
Speaker 2: design and clothes with a gun. You know.
Speaker 1: Let me give the counterfactual too. What's what was Oz's?
Speaker 1: It's where's Alberto her beloved brother in proclaiming her innocence
Speaker 1: exactly as the hangman? What is like a what is
Speaker 1: her driver supposed to do? Mm hmmm, it's it's an
Speaker 1: interesting conundrument. I think this is really really smart from
Speaker 1: Sophia to not only to use her image as the
Speaker 1: hangman in two ways, one to still fear across the
Speaker 1: city and two to be like Oz, he framed me
Speaker 1: as the hangman. It's so terrible. We gotta get this guy.
Speaker 1: We gotta Vic returns to the underground as Oz is
Speaker 1: preparing for the meet up and basically says like I,
Speaker 1: in not so many words, like I took care of Squid.
Speaker 1: And there's this warm moment where Oz says, like you
Speaker 1: did the right thing. You're protecting the people that you
Speaker 1: care about, the people who are closest to you.
Speaker 2: And then he like hugs him while is like crying about.
Speaker 1: It, which I sound to be both MacB and touching.
Speaker 2: Yes, which I think is probably exactly what we wanted,
Speaker 2: is probably what they want.
Speaker 1: And he and he says very chillingly like it'll get easier.
Speaker 1: Killing people can get easier and easier. Don't worry about it,
Speaker 1: go home. Rest up. You committed your second murder. Don't
Speaker 1: forget Vic, this is your second murder. You killed the
Speaker 1: guy with the car.
Speaker 2: Oh, he did, he did, he did crash that car
Speaker 2: and number probably nimed a few other guys too.
Speaker 1: That guy was just was so quick. I think that
Speaker 1: it was not a problem. Vic didn't even Vic went
Speaker 1: right to sleep and didn't. It never troubled.
Speaker 2: He was also like a paw of you know, the
Speaker 2: whole like kidnapping Taj and like ten people got a
Speaker 2: shot in the Tattoo studio and then Taj was Soundpaia
Speaker 2: with his mom Like, I do feel like that's something that.
Speaker 1: Oz goes to meet the street level crews, and this
Speaker 1: is fun because we get to meet some folks uh
Speaker 1: to the street level crew captains include Abel Crown, who
Speaker 1: is the boss of the Massive appears in the comics
Speaker 1: and Tryad boss Jao, who we've met before. He brings
Speaker 1: a cooler of beer which he offers them all the
Speaker 1: Beer Summit, and then he.
Speaker 2: And it's the Mayor is like a gold something and
Speaker 2: this is the Gold Summet.
Speaker 1: And he makes his pitch. He says, Hey, the Massive,
Speaker 1: the Low Boys, the Irish, Sullivan's, the Triads, We're at
Speaker 1: each other's throats. I think it's also important to note
Speaker 1: that this is all like this is it's a diverse
Speaker 1: collection of this is immigrant like immigrant groups, you know,
Speaker 1: the black gangs.
Speaker 2: Speaking speaking of someone who's like utilizing an emotional like connection.
Speaker 3: Oz is very much in that Machiavelly and Bakes.
Speaker 1: I think this is he's he's making a class based pitch,
Speaker 1: and I think it's very smart as well. It's so clever,
Speaker 1: it's and he says, listen that the Gigantes, the Maronis,
Speaker 1: they fed us scraps, kept us outside of power, kept
Speaker 1: us killing each other. So here's the pitch. We band together?
Speaker 1: Why not us? Why don't we take power? Look at
Speaker 1: the way the Gigantes and the Maronis had to team
Speaker 1: up in order to keep us down, keep their boot
Speaker 1: on our necks. Now is the time to take the
Speaker 1: city from them. And Jow points out that how can
Speaker 1: you trust this guy Oz? He's he'll say anything, he'll
Speaker 1: do anything to get a leg up. And Oz is like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: go ahead and kill me, but you know this is
Speaker 1: our chance, right, And he admits it. He's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I two time, the Maroni's I two times.
Speaker 2: The fuck He's like, I killed Alba. Look, I think this.
Speaker 2: I think this whole season is calling Farrell he should
Speaker 2: get an Emmy, right, And he's gunning for it. But
Speaker 2: this scene where he does his little monologue and he
Speaker 2: kind of is like, yeah, everything you've heard about me
Speaker 2: is true, and he's like and I'm just the poor
Speaker 2: kid who's like doing whatever I can to come up.
Speaker 3: Just like you are.
Speaker 2: And I will say there's some great cinematography in this episode,
Speaker 2: and our super producer Joelle pointed.
Speaker 3: This out, but we get just as much as we get.
Speaker 2: To see the gang leaders react to this news and
Speaker 2: this pitch, there are these shots of all their second
Speaker 2: in commands, who are all younger, even poorer, even hungrier,
Speaker 2: and obviously are also connecting to what Oz is saying.
Speaker 2: So there's definitely different layers to this. And yeah, it's
Speaker 2: very interesting. But his honesty it seems to work. His
Speaker 2: admittance of what he has done.
Speaker 1: And I think he really I think his the fact
Speaker 1: that he really believes this, I think is what sways them.
Speaker 1: Oh definitely he believes this, and he says, like I
Speaker 1: did what I would it took because at the end
Speaker 1: of the I'm like you, I'm a poor kid from
Speaker 1: Crown Point to the East Side where there's no power on,
Speaker 1: where the rest of the city is like lit up
Speaker 1: everybody's forgotten about us. They don't even know they're killing
Speaker 1: your guys. They don't even know what the name of
Speaker 1: your gang is. They don't even know who you are.
Speaker 1: And everybody agrees, including crucially Jao, who.
Speaker 2: Is the lost one to crack his bier and oz
Speaker 2: Oz gets his beer and he SIPs it, but we
Speaker 2: don't see the rest of them drink it, which I
Speaker 2: think is very interesting And to me immediately was like,
Speaker 2: did he poison the biz? Like is this another one
Speaker 2: of his crazy cus? I don't think so, but I
Speaker 2: also wouldn't put it past him.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't put it past him, but I think he
Speaker 1: needs them too much. But it's an interesting idea.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Back at the apartment, Vic still feeling guilty about the
Speaker 1: at least his second murder, at least at least is
Speaker 1: shocked when the power comes back on and Crown Point
Speaker 1: music comes. He begins dancing with Ma when Sophia sneaks
Speaker 1: in to observe them.
Speaker 2: Oh, and Mama, cob is not being sobtle. She's like,
Speaker 2: my boy, Ozzie, he did it for me, my son,
Speaker 2: that's my son. Os what cobblepot the guy you're looking for?
Speaker 2: It's him she's really like. And also, I do really
Speaker 2: like this reveal, not about Sophia being next, cause I
Speaker 2: think we could all kind of see that was right,
Speaker 2: it was gonna lead.
Speaker 3: Even though well done. I love Sophia, you.
Speaker 2: Know, I support her, but yeah, I love the reveal
Speaker 2: that in Gotham, this is how things work. If you
Speaker 2: want the power turned on, if you want the corrupt
Speaker 2: politicians to stop doing, you just have to go and
Speaker 2: strong arm them, put some pliers up their nose, threaten
Speaker 2: them a little bit, and then boom, this can happen.
Speaker 2: What I think this show is doing so well is
Speaker 2: it is really building the world of the Batman and
Speaker 2: It's Gotham and just how corrupt it is and why
Speaker 2: it feels like why Bruce Wayne feels like he has
Speaker 2: to exist in this space.
Speaker 3: And I think it does that really well.
Speaker 2: And I love the class politics and I love it too,
Speaker 2: the way that building it out.
Speaker 1: And it's why I've been like, you know you sway
Speaker 1: back and forth. I'm supporting Sophia, supporting oz I. It's
Speaker 1: interesting I thought of this episode in the context of
Speaker 1: this an article I read in The New Yorker about
Speaker 1: this book from the early twentieth century called Plunkett of
Speaker 1: Tammany Hall. Plunkett of Tammany Hall was this like New
Speaker 1: York machine politician who made these speeches basically arguing for
Speaker 1: a benign version of corruption.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like it's okay, that's just what happens, that's how things.
Speaker 1: Well, I think the point being that, of course corruption
Speaker 1: is some kind of horse trading, is always how it works.
Speaker 1: But the point of the article was that in the
Speaker 1: during this time, corruption used to work for the poor people,
Speaker 1: used to work for immigrants, that used to work for
Speaker 1: the people who just got here. It used to work
Speaker 1: for those not in power, and now it works for
Speaker 1: those in power. And I think one of the interesting
Speaker 1: things about this episode for me is that in this
Speaker 1: competition between various really really terrible people, Oz is the
Speaker 1: one that got the lights on.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly the end of the day, when for the
Speaker 3: community it's Oz there.
Speaker 1: Is And this is obviously very self serving in his
Speaker 1: and he's talked about this is his strategy is my
Speaker 1: shield is going to be that everybody in the neighborhood
Speaker 1: loves me, And I think that And at the same
Speaker 1: time you have Sophia saying, why can't I get anybody
Speaker 1: to be loyal to me the way, Well, this is
Speaker 1: why this is, and it's I just think that dichotomy
Speaker 1: is fascinating because what Oz is realized is, yes, I'm
Speaker 1: doing criminality, I'm killing people doing I'm basically in the
Speaker 1: running to be a version of the thing that I
Speaker 1: am talking against. Like I'm gonna be sal Maroni, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be Carmine Falcone, just my version of it, right
Speaker 1: but with my people installed. But he's doing it in
Speaker 1: a way that the people who truly are at the
Speaker 1: you know, at the having the short end of the stick,
Speaker 1: can feel like they're benefiting from it. And that's the
Speaker 1: difference between him Sofia. And that's what's really interesting because
Speaker 1: like he has even even says like, what do you know?
Speaker 1: You fucking came from the lap of luxury and now
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, like you're making a pitch to
Speaker 1: be the crime boss of Gotham.
Speaker 2: Also, like Sophia has no interest in anything except revenge,
Speaker 2: she is.
Speaker 1: Conssume important point whereas it's an important point.
Speaker 2: Whereas Oz has always had this duality of wanting to
Speaker 2: make his mom proud, wanting to be a mobster, but
Speaker 2: he does still have all those experiences that shape two ears,
Speaker 2: and one of them is growing up super poor and
Speaker 2: wanting to help out. And also this is a time
Speaker 2: tested tradition of mobs, like you've got to always be
Speaker 2: looking out for the community, you got to be helping
Speaker 2: out with the parades, you gotta be giving the kids
Speaker 2: some money. But yeah, I do think you raise a
Speaker 2: great question. And when it comes to like morally and ethically, obviously,
Speaker 2: I have my problems with Oz and the way that
Speaker 2: he treated Sofia, and I love Sophia, but I love
Speaker 2: Sophia as a very well written and complex extension of
Speaker 2: like the crazy woman trope, right, Like she's so brilliant
Speaker 2: and so interesting.
Speaker 3: But when it comes to like who would you probably
Speaker 3: rather have in charge of an underworld?
Speaker 2: The pitch that Oz has is better.
Speaker 3: It's very it's very very strong.
Speaker 2: But he is also like he's so reckless and this
Speaker 2: is just brilliant writing with the show. It makes me
Speaker 2: nervous when I watch the show, the way that he
Speaker 2: kind of like improvises in skirts and he's like this
Speaker 2: and this and this is it's.
Speaker 3: So anxiety and juicing.
Speaker 2: I think not for me as well as maybe why
Speaker 2: I don't see that message of stability that he's offering
Speaker 2: because the way he does it and the insight we
Speaker 2: get into his mind is like, this is someone who
Speaker 2: can tie on a dime and that I think.
Speaker 1: That that You bring up a good point, which is
Speaker 1: we saw it when Oz was bullshitting with Joao the
Speaker 1: first time at the club and he turns to Sofia
Speaker 1: after Jah walks away, and he's like, this is great, right,
Speaker 1: and she's like what he You know, it's like the
Speaker 1: line from Heat for him, the action is the Jew. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he likes maybe not all of the.
Speaker 2: Juice Sarson of the Jews, he loves the game.
Speaker 1: You're absolutely right, that's there. And while he's making this
Speaker 1: pitch for this grand unified come up of all the
Speaker 1: downtrodden gangs, we're on the profit of. Lights are on.
Speaker 1: Look at this ground point is back, you know people,
Speaker 1: the refrigerators are working and all this is great. At
Speaker 1: the same time, this guy's a bootleg gambler. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: He will gain and he loves it. He wants to
Speaker 1: take these risks, and I think you're right to point
Speaker 1: that out, Like there is a core of instability in
Speaker 1: this guy. Like he there is a chaotic thing about him.
Speaker 1: If he if he cements his control over this area
Speaker 1: of Gotham and this underworld, stabilize it, He's still gonna
Speaker 1: be that guy who wants to throw the dice and
Speaker 1: see what comes up.
Speaker 2: And if Batman comes and like puts him in a
Speaker 2: choke hold, then it's gonna kill him. Like maybe he's
Speaker 2: gonna turn on everyone that you just never know. But
Speaker 2: I think that's what is such a it's make watching
Speaker 2: this show such an enticing prospect.
Speaker 5: We'll be right back after a quick break, and we're back.
Speaker 3: Okay, So we got two episodes left of the season.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what are your theories for the two five or episodes?
Speaker 3: Is Sophia just going to kill Mark Cobb? Is it
Speaker 3: that simple? Is that what we're going to see? I
Speaker 3: don't want to look. I don't want to see.
Speaker 2: There was a lot of discussion in the discord, which
Speaker 2: I found very interesting about episode four of this season
Speaker 2: and how it was pretty hard to watch and like
Speaker 2: where is the balance between like showing really horrib for
Speaker 2: I personally found it very harrowing, but also very moving
Speaker 2: and quite cathartic. I thought it was interesting to show
Speaker 2: the reality some of the aversion of the realities that
Speaker 2: a lot of people do go through when they're incarcerated,
Speaker 2: and the history of like women being institutionalized. But I
Speaker 2: do have to say, I don't want to see like
Speaker 2: a woman with dementia being like tortured, Like I don't
Speaker 2: want to have to see that, and I'm hoping that
Speaker 2: the show.
Speaker 3: I'm hoping the show doesn't go that route.
Speaker 2: But it does feel like the inevitable domino effect is
Speaker 2: Mark Cobb dies in episode seven and vic Oz kills
Speaker 2: vic because of that an episode eight, Like that's I
Speaker 2: don't want it to be that way, but I think
Speaker 2: that's the logical domino effect, you know.
Speaker 1: I go back and forth, and I think that's what's
Speaker 1: so great about this show is that it always seems
Speaker 1: like the most the thing that you think has the
Speaker 1: least chance of happening ends up happening.
Speaker 2: It happens, really but that's actually a great point.
Speaker 1: Like there's one thing I really respect about this show,
Speaker 1: and it's a thing I loved about Breaking Bad was
Speaker 1: that there's a pace and an unrelenting momentum to put
Speaker 1: characters in impossible positions and then say figure it, like
Speaker 1: get it figure out somehow, and it always comes much
Speaker 1: quicker than you. You think the show would sit in
Speaker 1: a moment of victory for Sophia, for Oz for a moment,
Speaker 1: but it never does. It immediately hits you with the
Speaker 1: unexpected thing. And so I feel like, like, what is
Speaker 1: the most what's the thing that you can't see happening
Speaker 1: right now? To me is like Oz and Sophia patching
Speaker 1: it up. And now I'm wondering, Okay, I would love
Speaker 1: that because I can't see how it could happen, which
Speaker 1: makes me feel like it could happen. It could happen.
Speaker 3: You're right, how I mean?
Speaker 2: I will say, like, for all we know, if we're
Speaker 2: just doing a little bit of like writers rim brainstorming here, yeah,
Speaker 2: for all we know, Sophia believes that Oz played a
Speaker 2: bigger part in her being put away than she did
Speaker 2: than he did, and maybe that's why it's been so
Speaker 2: overstated for her. And also maybe she discovers something that
Speaker 2: reveals that's not the case, or maybe she discovers that
Speaker 2: Moroni has somewhow betrayed her. I could see a version
Speaker 2: where these two odd ball kind of outsiders who have
Speaker 2: already had this connection of trust at some point patch
Speaker 2: it up to a point. I mean, if I was
Speaker 2: the showrunner, I would just want to do that because
Speaker 2: I would want Sophia Giganti to be in The Batman too.
Speaker 3: But I I do think you're right.
Speaker 2: I think that the least likely thing does sometimes feel
Speaker 2: like it's gonna happen.
Speaker 3: The sad thing about the vic thing is I do
Speaker 3: to me it feels fair complex.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and also but it's also like, in a way
Speaker 2: it kind of fits this because it feels like it
Speaker 2: just shouldn't happen, because like Venzi is so great in
Speaker 2: this role, and there's so many potentials. He could become
Speaker 2: a Robin. He could definitely become some version of like
Speaker 2: the Red Hood, like a Jason Todd style. He kind
Speaker 2: of fits a lot of what we know about Tim Drake.
Speaker 2: There are all these ways that it feels like he
Speaker 2: could fit into the wider world really easily. And that's
Speaker 2: why I think that he won't because it feels too connective.
Speaker 1: Here's what I think may happen. I think episode seven
Speaker 1: Oz gives himself up to Sophia because she's got mom oh,
Speaker 1: and then they frame doctor Rush as the Hangman. He
Speaker 1: takes the fall as hang man, yeah, thus absolving Sophia
Speaker 1: of that, and then somehow they patch it up, but
Speaker 1: I don't know how, and I could easily be wrong.
Speaker 2: I think we should talk a little bit more about
Speaker 2: Eve as well, because Carmen and Joe Go is so good.
Speaker 2: That's her, and I think.
Speaker 1: She's wonderful, established, very strong.
Speaker 2: Her is essentially like an actual moral center of the
Speaker 2: show because she does have that loyalty with her friends,
Speaker 2: with her colleagues, her coworkers, the women who work on
Speaker 2: the streets, and she does also have this connection. We
Speaker 2: know she's called Eve Carlo, so I do think they're
Speaker 2: essentially establishing a world where Clayface.
Speaker 3: Was her father.
Speaker 2: I once saw Matt Reeves say he would never know
Speaker 2: how to do Clayface because he wouldn't know how to
Speaker 2: do it in a way that was grounded. But I
Speaker 2: think there's many ways you could do it, and I
Speaker 2: think maybe the fact that she's called Eve Carlo hints
Speaker 2: a bigger.
Speaker 3: Role for her.
Speaker 2: I she is actually now at my top of my
Speaker 2: list of people that I think will survive. I think
Speaker 2: that she is now reflecting what Oz does, where he
Speaker 2: plays the people he needs to play and I think
Speaker 2: in this case, she made the right gambit with Sophia,
Speaker 2: and I think that she will survive because I don't
Speaker 2: think Oz will believe or think that it was her
Speaker 2: who betrayed him.
Speaker 1: I do. I do worry that she may die as
Speaker 1: a that he will find out and may have her killed.
Speaker 1: I will say that I thought this was an amazing
Speaker 1: conversation and it was actually the most I thought it was, like,
Speaker 1: you know, from a moral framework, ifyone could apply that
Speaker 1: to these characters. I thought it was like the worst
Speaker 1: moment for Sophia. Yeah, like it's her, it's her most manipulative,
Speaker 1: it's her most It's to your point, she's all about
Speaker 1: revenge and she uses the memories of these women to
Speaker 1: get it. Yeah, you know, to take their pain and
Speaker 1: put it on her and say, really it's aren't I Like, yes,
Speaker 1: I was put into Arkham and it was horrible what
Speaker 1: I went through, but like, really, like, we can get
Speaker 1: revenge by killing this guy who didn't even kill her.
Speaker 1: That's basically her pitch. And again using the image of
Speaker 1: the hangman to inflict terror on the streets and at
Speaker 1: the same time like putting up this is terrible what
Speaker 1: Iz did to me made everybody think I'm the hangman.
Speaker 1: I could, by the way, go to the press any
Speaker 1: day that they would listen to me as the daughter
Speaker 1: of Carmine Falcon, Like I could do that now and say,
Speaker 1: you want a dynamite story, Carmine Falcone is the hangman.
Speaker 2: I will say as well, like there are people who
Speaker 2: know that he killed these women, and that came out
Speaker 2: at the end of The Batman, at least at.
Speaker 1: Least pot there's many, many people, like surely everybody at
Speaker 1: the club and everybody at the top level of the vocals.
Speaker 3: I think it's very interesting.
Speaker 2: Also, I think this is the power of this space
Speaker 2: that they're building and the brave choices they make to
Speaker 2: not instantly do easy connections, because it would have been
Speaker 2: very easy for them to include Maria Kyle here, like
Speaker 2: Selina's mom that we found out about in The Batman.
Speaker 2: Now she was not She was a waitress at the
Speaker 2: Iceberg Lounge, so we don't know what that means. She
Speaker 2: could be, she could have been a sex worker. It
Speaker 2: would have been easy for them to mention her here
Speaker 2: when Eve does her speech, but she doesn't. I also
Speaker 2: do wonder, Okay, So I speaking of connections, an uneasy
Speaker 2: connection that I think would be very interesting to make here,
Speaker 2: would be if there if somehow. I mean, this is
Speaker 2: probably wishing too big because I think they haven't done
Speaker 2: a lot of connective stuff in this, but they've done
Speaker 2: a great job of building it, aside from obviously having
Speaker 2: Colin as the penguin. But I do think that there
Speaker 2: is something very interesting and appealing as a viewer, and
Speaker 2: I'm sure as a storyteller about the fact that Sophia
Speaker 2: Falcone and Selena Kayle are half sisters. And I do
Speaker 2: wonder if there's anything in these next two episodes that
Speaker 2: a way that Sophia finds out that Carmen had other children,
Speaker 2: or that there's because in Sofia's mind, that would be
Speaker 2: a threat, that's somebody who could take away from her,
Speaker 2: you know, her her queendom that she is currently building on,
Speaker 2: the kind of bones of this vengeful killing spree that
Speaker 2: she's on.
Speaker 1: I do wonder if we don't see Eve she's masterfully
Speaker 1: played these two characters often and gotten what she's needed
Speaker 1: exactly and from Sophia at different times. I wonder if
Speaker 1: she doesn't parley that into something more for her and
Speaker 1: the girl, something more for them, you know, whether.
Speaker 3: Even I mean from Oz, there could be some kind
Speaker 3: of a.
Speaker 2: Better split if they worked at the Iceberg Lounge, some
Speaker 2: kind of protection. It's obviously inevitable, That's yeah. I mean,
Speaker 2: Also we will I'm assuming that we will see at
Speaker 2: least an inkling in Oz's eye that he is gonna
Speaker 2: take the Iceberg Lounge as his own, because that's a
Speaker 2: classic penguin location which we saw owned by Carmine and
Speaker 2: the Batman.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I'm.
Speaker 2: Saying I think this is such a good show. I'm
Speaker 2: obsessed with it. I think all the casting is fantastic.
Speaker 2: I think Carmen and Jogo should definitely be up for
Speaker 2: like a Best Supporting I think, Sophia, I want everyone
Speaker 2: to get an.
Speaker 1: M on this. Everyone is so good.
Speaker 3: This feels like it should.
Speaker 2: Be one of those like twenty two nominations because the
Speaker 2: production design is fantastic, the casting is fantastic, the ensemble
Speaker 2: is fantastic.
Speaker 3: Everything about it is great.
Speaker 2: I'm a big fan, so I hope it gets some
Speaker 2: recognition as we head into f y C. Also, the
Speaker 2: show and it did tease a potential that there could
Speaker 2: be like she has ideas for a season two and
Speaker 2: I mean, who would.
Speaker 1: It's good.
Speaker 3: So I'm like she said that, m I, Colin, we're
Speaker 3: gonna beat We're gonna put you in that suit. Man,
Speaker 3: We're gonna put you in that suit.
Speaker 1: Hey, put the put the put the suit on, Colin. Oh.
Speaker 3: Also, I actually want to shut.
Speaker 1: The fucking suit on. All right, this is.
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