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Speaker 1: Worrying. Today's episode Today spoilers for the sixth episode of

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Speaker 1: The Penguin The Gold Summit. Watch that before you listen

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Speaker 1: to this. Hello, my name.

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Speaker 2: Is Jason Kenseepsion and on Marsday Night.

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Speaker 2: In today's episode, we are talking about The Penguin episode six,

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Speaker 2: The Gold Summit.

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Speaker 3: In the Airlock.

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Speaker 2: We will be digging into it, recapping what happened and

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Speaker 2: also the questions, the many questions it leaves us with

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Speaker 2: as we head into the final two episodes of the season.

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Speaker 1: Up next episode six, The Gold Summit. We open with

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Speaker 1: Oz narrating the come up of his Bliss operation. As

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Speaker 1: we see Vic on his brand new, beautiful, shiny motorbike

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Speaker 1: arriving back in the tunnels.

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Speaker 3: I thought it was Catwoman. It looks a lot like

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Speaker 3: Catwoman's bike.

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Speaker 2: I was like, okay, pretty cool. How long do you

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Speaker 2: think this has been.

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Speaker 1: I think it's been like two months.

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Speaker 3: Okay, three months makes sense.

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Speaker 1: Oz uh is telling his his minions that the opportunity

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Speaker 1: is there to grab the city. The falcones are teetering.

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Speaker 1: It's just Sophia now calling herself Sophia Gigante. The Maroni's

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Speaker 1: an upstart organization like theirs. Bliss is booming, street level

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Speaker 1: it's Vic's job on the back of his motorcycle to

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Speaker 1: oz is, of course double dealing. He shakes Vic into

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Speaker 1: and he says, listen, of course I'm allied with this

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Speaker 1: They don't have to know that right now, because you

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Speaker 2: He's such a short sighted man.

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Speaker 3: That is like my favorite.

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Speaker 1: I think it's I think he's actually got a pretty

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Speaker 1: that I do think there's significant improvisation. Yes, yes, yet right.

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Speaker 3: I would say that's a good way to put it.

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Speaker 1: But I think I would put it this way. He's

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Speaker 2: Because they can go into national.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and one of the most powerful that can go

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Speaker 1: how we're still off all throughout Crown Point. This is

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Speaker 1: So it's been four months, four months no power and

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Speaker 2: And his grin is like he feels like he believes

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Speaker 2: Everyone in your community has money. Now you're giving them jobs.

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Speaker 1: where our ourf wolf wolf Sophia has officially turned doctor

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Speaker 1: She's she's uh, you know, using him for her own

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Speaker 1: And I think Vic, you know, obviously, without any kind

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Speaker 1: Os Get's call that the triads are they're pulling out underneath,

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Speaker 2: Specifically, there's a hanging element and they chop off the

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Speaker 2: Sophia like, this is them saying, remember when you cut

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Speaker 2: they were her family, they were people that she cared about,

438
00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:53,760
Speaker 2: you know, And it is that which tips her over

439
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:59,000
Speaker 2: the edge where there is a moment where she realizes, well,

440
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:01,560
Speaker 2: Oz kept this from me, and the thing I have

441
00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:04,440
Speaker 2: to do is protect these women. And how I can

442
00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:06,960
Speaker 2: do that is, you know what, I'll give Sophia her shot.

443
00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:10,280
Speaker 2: Maybe she'll think about us in a different way next time.

444
00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:12,439
Speaker 2: Maybe she went turn up at my house dressed in

445
00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:14,600
Speaker 2: design and clothes with a gun. You know.

446
00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:19,480
Speaker 1: Let me give the counterfactual too. What's what was Oz's?

447
00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:24,919
Speaker 1: It's where's Alberto her beloved brother in proclaiming her innocence

448
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:28,199
Speaker 1: exactly as the hangman? What is like a what is

449
00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:32,719
Speaker 1: her driver supposed to do? Mm hmmm, it's it's an

450
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:35,120
Speaker 1: interesting conundrument. I think this is really really smart from

451
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:38,720
Speaker 1: Sophia to not only to use her image as the

452
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:41,959
Speaker 1: hangman in two ways, one to still fear across the

453
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:46,959
Speaker 1: city and two to be like Oz, he framed me

454
00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:50,240
Speaker 1: as the hangman. It's so terrible. We gotta get this guy.

455
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:55,240
Speaker 1: We gotta Vic returns to the underground as Oz is

456
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:58,200
Speaker 1: preparing for the meet up and basically says like I,

457
00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:00,719
Speaker 1: in not so many words, like I took care of Squid.

458
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:03,560
Speaker 1: And there's this warm moment where Oz says, like you

459
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:06,199
Speaker 1: did the right thing. You're protecting the people that you

460
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:07,960
Speaker 1: care about, the people who are closest to you.

461
00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:11,640
Speaker 2: And then he like hugs him while is like crying about.

462
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:16,320
Speaker 1: It, which I sound to be both MacB and touching.

463
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:19,120
Speaker 2: Yes, which I think is probably exactly what we wanted,

464
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:20,440
Speaker 2: is probably what they want.

465
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:25,360
Speaker 1: And he and he says very chillingly like it'll get easier.

466
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:28,399
Speaker 1: Killing people can get easier and easier. Don't worry about it,

467
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:33,080
Speaker 1: go home. Rest up. You committed your second murder. Don't

468
00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:36,000
Speaker 1: forget Vic, this is your second murder. You killed the

469
00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:37,000
Speaker 1: guy with the car.

470
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:39,600
Speaker 2: Oh, he did, he did, he did crash that car

471
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:43,520
Speaker 2: and number probably nimed a few other guys too.

472
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:45,679
Speaker 1: That guy was just was so quick. I think that

473
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:48,440
Speaker 1: it was not a problem. Vic didn't even Vic went

474
00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:50,480
Speaker 1: right to sleep and didn't. It never troubled.

475
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:54,840
Speaker 2: He was also like a paw of you know, the

476
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:58,080
Speaker 2: whole like kidnapping Taj and like ten people got a

477
00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:01,600
Speaker 2: shot in the Tattoo studio and then Taj was Soundpaia

478
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:04,360
Speaker 2: with his mom Like, I do feel like that's something that.

479
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:08,520
Speaker 1: Oz goes to meet the street level crews, and this

480
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:12,399
Speaker 1: is fun because we get to meet some folks uh

481
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:16,960
Speaker 1: to the street level crew captains include Abel Crown, who

482
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:22,200
Speaker 1: is the boss of the Massive appears in the comics

483
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:25,880
Speaker 1: and Tryad boss Jao, who we've met before. He brings

484
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:29,320
Speaker 1: a cooler of beer which he offers them all the

485
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:31,879
Speaker 1: Beer Summit, and then he.

486
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:34,879
Speaker 2: And it's the Mayor is like a gold something and

487
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:36,720
Speaker 2: this is the Gold Summet.

488
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 1: And he makes his pitch. He says, Hey, the Massive,

489
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:44,159
Speaker 1: the Low Boys, the Irish, Sullivan's, the Triads, We're at

490
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:47,200
Speaker 1: each other's throats. I think it's also important to note

491
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:50,520
Speaker 1: that this is all like this is it's a diverse

492
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:55,040
Speaker 1: collection of this is immigrant like immigrant groups, you know,

493
00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 1: the black gangs.

494
00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:03,240
Speaker 2: Speaking speaking of someone who's like utilizing an emotional like connection.

495
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:06,640
Speaker 3: Oz is very much in that Machiavelly and Bakes.

496
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 1: I think this is he's he's making a class based pitch,

497
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 1: and I think it's very smart as well. It's so clever,

498
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 1: it's and he says, listen that the Gigantes, the Maronis,

499
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 1: they fed us scraps, kept us outside of power, kept

500
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:24,560
Speaker 1: us killing each other. So here's the pitch. We band together?

501
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 1: Why not us? Why don't we take power? Look at

502
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:29,879
Speaker 1: the way the Gigantes and the Maronis had to team

503
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 1: up in order to keep us down, keep their boot

504
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:37,360
Speaker 1: on our necks. Now is the time to take the

505
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:40,719
Speaker 1: city from them. And Jow points out that how can

506
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:42,920
Speaker 1: you trust this guy Oz? He's he'll say anything, he'll

507
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 1: do anything to get a leg up. And Oz is like, yeah, yeah,

508
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:48,480
Speaker 1: go ahead and kill me, but you know this is

509
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:51,919
Speaker 1: our chance, right, And he admits it. He's like, yeah,

510
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 1: I two time, the Maroni's I two times.

511
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:56,439
Speaker 2: The fuck He's like, I killed Alba. Look, I think this.

512
00:27:56,760 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 2: I think this whole season is calling Farrell he should

513
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:01,879
Speaker 2: get an Emmy, right, And he's gunning for it. But

514
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 2: this scene where he does his little monologue and he

515
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 2: kind of is like, yeah, everything you've heard about me

516
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 2: is true, and he's like and I'm just the poor

517
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 2: kid who's like doing whatever I can to come up.

518
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 3: Just like you are.

519
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 2: And I will say there's some great cinematography in this episode,

520
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 2: and our super producer Joelle pointed.

521
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:20,760
Speaker 3: This out, but we get just as much as we get.

522
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 2: To see the gang leaders react to this news and

523
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:27,439
Speaker 2: this pitch, there are these shots of all their second

524
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 2: in commands, who are all younger, even poorer, even hungrier,

525
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 2: and obviously are also connecting to what Oz is saying.

526
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:37,880
Speaker 2: So there's definitely different layers to this. And yeah, it's

527
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 2: very interesting. But his honesty it seems to work. His

528
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 2: admittance of what he has done.

529
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 1: And I think he really I think his the fact

530
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 1: that he really believes this, I think is what sways them.

531
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 1: Oh definitely he believes this, and he says, like I

532
00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 1: did what I would it took because at the end

533
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 1: of the I'm like you, I'm a poor kid from

534
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 1: Crown Point to the East Side where there's no power on,

535
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 1: where the rest of the city is like lit up

536
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 1: everybody's forgotten about us. They don't even know they're killing

537
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 1: your guys. They don't even know what the name of

538
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 1: your gang is. They don't even know who you are.

539
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:22,240
Speaker 1: And everybody agrees, including crucially Jao, who.

540
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 2: Is the lost one to crack his bier and oz

541
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 2: Oz gets his beer and he SIPs it, but we

542
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 2: don't see the rest of them drink it, which I

543
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 2: think is very interesting And to me immediately was like,

544
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 2: did he poison the biz? Like is this another one

545
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 2: of his crazy cus? I don't think so, but I

546
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 2: also wouldn't put it past him.

547
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 1: I wouldn't put it past him, but I think he

548
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 1: needs them too much. But it's an interesting idea.

549
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 2: Yeah.

550
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 1: Back at the apartment, Vic still feeling guilty about the

551
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 1: at least his second murder, at least at least is

552
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 1: shocked when the power comes back on and Crown Point

553
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 1: music comes. He begins dancing with Ma when Sophia sneaks

554
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 1: in to observe them.

555
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 2: Oh, and Mama, cob is not being sobtle. She's like,

556
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 2: my boy, Ozzie, he did it for me, my son,

557
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 2: that's my son. Os what cobblepot the guy you're looking for?

558
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:18,440
Speaker 2: It's him she's really like. And also, I do really

559
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 2: like this reveal, not about Sophia being next, cause I

560
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 2: think we could all kind of see that was right,

561
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:24,480
Speaker 2: it was gonna lead.

562
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 3: Even though well done. I love Sophia, you.

563
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 2: Know, I support her, but yeah, I love the reveal

564
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 2: that in Gotham, this is how things work. If you

565
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 2: want the power turned on, if you want the corrupt

566
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 2: politicians to stop doing, you just have to go and

567
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 2: strong arm them, put some pliers up their nose, threaten

568
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 2: them a little bit, and then boom, this can happen.

569
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 2: What I think this show is doing so well is

570
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:53,720
Speaker 2: it is really building the world of the Batman and

571
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 2: It's Gotham and just how corrupt it is and why

572
00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 2: it feels like why Bruce Wayne feels like he has

573
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 2: to exist in this space.

574
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 3: And I think it does that really well.

575
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 2: And I love the class politics and I love it too,

576
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 2: the way that building it out.

577
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 1: And it's why I've been like, you know you sway

578
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 1: back and forth. I'm supporting Sophia, supporting oz I. It's

579
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 1: interesting I thought of this episode in the context of

580
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 1: this an article I read in The New Yorker about

581
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 1: this book from the early twentieth century called Plunkett of

582
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 1: Tammany Hall. Plunkett of Tammany Hall was this like New

583
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 1: York machine politician who made these speeches basically arguing for

584
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:37,480
Speaker 1: a benign version of corruption.

585
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, like it's okay, that's just what happens, that's how things.

586
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 1: Well, I think the point being that, of course corruption

587
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 1: is some kind of horse trading, is always how it works.

588
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 1: But the point of the article was that in the

589
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 1: during this time, corruption used to work for the poor people,

590
00:31:58,000 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 1: used to work for immigrants, that used to work for

591
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 1: the people who just got here. It used to work

592
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 1: for those not in power, and now it works for

593
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 1: those in power. And I think one of the interesting

594
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 1: things about this episode for me is that in this

595
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 1: competition between various really really terrible people, Oz is the

596
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 1: one that got the lights on.

597
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly the end of the day, when for the

598
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 3: community it's Oz there.

599
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 1: Is And this is obviously very self serving in his

600
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 1: and he's talked about this is his strategy is my

601
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 1: shield is going to be that everybody in the neighborhood

602
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:37,800
Speaker 1: loves me, And I think that And at the same

603
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 1: time you have Sophia saying, why can't I get anybody

604
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 1: to be loyal to me the way, Well, this is

605
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 1: why this is, and it's I just think that dichotomy

606
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 1: is fascinating because what Oz is realized is, yes, I'm

607
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 1: doing criminality, I'm killing people doing I'm basically in the

608
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 1: running to be a version of the thing that I

609
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 1: am talking against. Like I'm gonna be sal Maroni, I'm

610
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 1: gonna be Carmine Falcone, just my version of it, right

611
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 1: but with my people installed. But he's doing it in

612
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 1: a way that the people who truly are at the

613
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 1: you know, at the having the short end of the stick,

614
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 1: can feel like they're benefiting from it. And that's the

615
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 1: difference between him Sofia. And that's what's really interesting because

616
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 1: like he has even even says like, what do you know?

617
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 1: You fucking came from the lap of luxury and now

618
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, like you're making a pitch to

619
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 1: be the crime boss of Gotham.

620
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 2: Also, like Sophia has no interest in anything except revenge,

621
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 2: she is.

622
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 1: Conssume important point whereas it's an important point.

623
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 2: Whereas Oz has always had this duality of wanting to

624
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 2: make his mom proud, wanting to be a mobster, but

625
00:33:56,120 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 2: he does still have all those experiences that shape two ears,

626
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 2: and one of them is growing up super poor and

627
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 2: wanting to help out. And also this is a time

628
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 2: tested tradition of mobs, like you've got to always be

629
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:12,280
Speaker 2: looking out for the community, you got to be helping

630
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:14,880
Speaker 2: out with the parades, you gotta be giving the kids

631
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:21,319
Speaker 2: some money. But yeah, I do think you raise a

632
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:25,280
Speaker 2: great question. And when it comes to like morally and ethically, obviously,

633
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:27,319
Speaker 2: I have my problems with Oz and the way that

634
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 2: he treated Sofia, and I love Sophia, but I love

635
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:34,880
Speaker 2: Sophia as a very well written and complex extension of

636
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:38,280
Speaker 2: like the crazy woman trope, right, Like she's so brilliant

637
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 2: and so interesting.

638
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:41,760
Speaker 3: But when it comes to like who would you probably

639
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 3: rather have in charge of an underworld?

640
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:46,240
Speaker 2: The pitch that Oz has is better.

641
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:48,240
Speaker 3: It's very it's very very strong.

642
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 2: But he is also like he's so reckless and this

643
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:54,480
Speaker 2: is just brilliant writing with the show. It makes me

644
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 2: nervous when I watch the show, the way that he

645
00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:00,320
Speaker 2: kind of like improvises in skirts and he's like this

646
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:01,840
Speaker 2: and this and this is it's.

647
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 3: So anxiety and juicing.

648
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:05,720
Speaker 2: I think not for me as well as maybe why

649
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 2: I don't see that message of stability that he's offering

650
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 2: because the way he does it and the insight we

651
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 2: get into his mind is like, this is someone who

652
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:15,880
Speaker 2: can tie on a dime and that I think.

653
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:18,400
Speaker 1: That that You bring up a good point, which is

654
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:21,840
Speaker 1: we saw it when Oz was bullshitting with Joao the

655
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:24,440
Speaker 1: first time at the club and he turns to Sofia

656
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:26,759
Speaker 1: after Jah walks away, and he's like, this is great, right,

657
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 1: and she's like what he You know, it's like the

658
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:32,399
Speaker 1: line from Heat for him, the action is the Jew. Yeah,

659
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 1: he likes maybe not all of the.

660
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:38,920
Speaker 2: Juice Sarson of the Jews, he loves the game.

661
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:42,840
Speaker 1: You're absolutely right, that's there. And while he's making this

662
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 1: pitch for this grand unified come up of all the

663
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:48,319
Speaker 1: downtrodden gangs, we're on the profit of. Lights are on.

664
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:51,320
Speaker 1: Look at this ground point is back, you know people,

665
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:54,319
Speaker 1: the refrigerators are working and all this is great. At

666
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:58,360
Speaker 1: the same time, this guy's a bootleg gambler. Yeah, exactly.

667
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:02,799
Speaker 1: He will gain and he loves it. He wants to

668
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 1: take these risks, and I think you're right to point

669
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 1: that out, Like there is a core of instability in

670
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:12,240
Speaker 1: this guy. Like he there is a chaotic thing about him.

671
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 1: If he if he cements his control over this area

672
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 1: of Gotham and this underworld, stabilize it, He's still gonna

673
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:24,239
Speaker 1: be that guy who wants to throw the dice and

674
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:25,319
Speaker 1: see what comes up.

675
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 2: And if Batman comes and like puts him in a

676
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 2: choke hold, then it's gonna kill him. Like maybe he's

677
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:32,759
Speaker 2: gonna turn on everyone that you just never know. But

678
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:35,800
Speaker 2: I think that's what is such a it's make watching

679
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:37,759
Speaker 2: this show such an enticing prospect.

680
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:54,959
Speaker 5: We'll be right back after a quick break, and we're back.

681
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:57,360
Speaker 3: Okay, So we got two episodes left of the season.

682
00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:00,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, what are your theories for the two five or episodes?

683
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 3: Is Sophia just going to kill Mark Cobb? Is it

684
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 3: that simple? Is that what we're going to see? I

685
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:07,920
Speaker 3: don't want to look. I don't want to see.

686
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 2: There was a lot of discussion in the discord, which

687
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 2: I found very interesting about episode four of this season

688
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 2: and how it was pretty hard to watch and like

689
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:23,840
Speaker 2: where is the balance between like showing really horrib for

690
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 2: I personally found it very harrowing, but also very moving

691
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 2: and quite cathartic. I thought it was interesting to show

692
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 2: the reality some of the aversion of the realities that

693
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:37,919
Speaker 2: a lot of people do go through when they're incarcerated,

694
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:41,400
Speaker 2: and the history of like women being institutionalized. But I

695
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:44,440
Speaker 2: do have to say, I don't want to see like

696
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:47,439
Speaker 2: a woman with dementia being like tortured, Like I don't

697
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:49,239
Speaker 2: want to have to see that, and I'm hoping that

698
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:49,880
Speaker 2: the show.

699
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:51,960
Speaker 3: I'm hoping the show doesn't go that route.

700
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 2: But it does feel like the inevitable domino effect is

701
00:37:56,360 --> 00:38:00,880
Speaker 2: Mark Cobb dies in episode seven and vic Oz kills

702
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:03,759
Speaker 2: vic because of that an episode eight, Like that's I

703
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:05,279
Speaker 2: don't want it to be that way, but I think

704
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:08,400
Speaker 2: that's the logical domino effect, you know.

705
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 1: I go back and forth, and I think that's what's

706
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 1: so great about this show is that it always seems

707
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 1: like the most the thing that you think has the

708
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 1: least chance of happening ends up happening.

709
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 2: It happens, really but that's actually a great point.

710
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:23,279
Speaker 1: Like there's one thing I really respect about this show,

711
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:25,719
Speaker 1: and it's a thing I loved about Breaking Bad was

712
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 1: that there's a pace and an unrelenting momentum to put

713
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:36,360
Speaker 1: characters in impossible positions and then say figure it, like

714
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:40,520
Speaker 1: get it figure out somehow, and it always comes much

715
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 1: quicker than you. You think the show would sit in

716
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,760
Speaker 1: a moment of victory for Sophia, for Oz for a moment,

717
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 1: but it never does. It immediately hits you with the

718
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 1: unexpected thing. And so I feel like, like, what is

719
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 1: the most what's the thing that you can't see happening

720
00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 1: right now? To me is like Oz and Sophia patching

721
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 1: it up. And now I'm wondering, Okay, I would love

722
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 1: that because I can't see how it could happen, which

723
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 1: makes me feel like it could happen. It could happen.

724
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 3: You're right, how I mean?

725
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 2: I will say, like, for all we know, if we're

726
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:20,279
Speaker 2: just doing a little bit of like writers rim brainstorming here, yeah,

727
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:24,920
Speaker 2: for all we know, Sophia believes that Oz played a

728
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:28,719
Speaker 2: bigger part in her being put away than she did

729
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 2: than he did, and maybe that's why it's been so

730
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:36,279
Speaker 2: overstated for her. And also maybe she discovers something that

731
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 2: reveals that's not the case, or maybe she discovers that

732
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:43,360
Speaker 2: Moroni has somewhow betrayed her. I could see a version

733
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:47,719
Speaker 2: where these two odd ball kind of outsiders who have

734
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:51,320
Speaker 2: already had this connection of trust at some point patch

735
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 2: it up to a point. I mean, if I was

736
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 2: the showrunner, I would just want to do that because

737
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:58,919
Speaker 2: I would want Sophia Giganti to be in The Batman too.

738
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:01,319
Speaker 3: But I I do think you're right.

739
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:05,400
Speaker 2: I think that the least likely thing does sometimes feel

740
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:06,280
Speaker 2: like it's gonna happen.

741
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 3: The sad thing about the vic thing is I do

742
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:11,880
Speaker 3: to me it feels fair complex.

743
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:14,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, and also but it's also like, in a way

744
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:17,320
Speaker 2: it kind of fits this because it feels like it

745
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 2: just shouldn't happen, because like Venzi is so great in

746
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:25,399
Speaker 2: this role, and there's so many potentials. He could become

747
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 2: a Robin. He could definitely become some version of like

748
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 2: the Red Hood, like a Jason Todd style. He kind

749
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:33,239
Speaker 2: of fits a lot of what we know about Tim Drake.

750
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 2: There are all these ways that it feels like he

751
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:37,879
Speaker 2: could fit into the wider world really easily. And that's

752
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 2: why I think that he won't because it feels too connective.

753
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 1: Here's what I think may happen. I think episode seven

754
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:53,920
Speaker 1: Oz gives himself up to Sophia because she's got mom oh,

755
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 1: and then they frame doctor Rush as the Hangman. He

756
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 1: takes the fall as hang man, yeah, thus absolving Sophia

757
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 1: of that, and then somehow they patch it up, but

758
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:11,919
Speaker 1: I don't know how, and I could easily be wrong.

759
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 2: I think we should talk a little bit more about

760
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 2: Eve as well, because Carmen and Joe Go is so good.

761
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 2: That's her, and I think.

762
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 1: She's wonderful, established, very strong.

763
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 2: Her is essentially like an actual moral center of the

764
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:26,720
Speaker 2: show because she does have that loyalty with her friends,

765
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:29,840
Speaker 2: with her colleagues, her coworkers, the women who work on

766
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 2: the streets, and she does also have this connection. We

767
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 2: know she's called Eve Carlo, so I do think they're

768
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:39,719
Speaker 2: essentially establishing a world where Clayface.

769
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 3: Was her father.

770
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 2: I once saw Matt Reeves say he would never know

771
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:44,239
Speaker 2: how to do Clayface because he wouldn't know how to

772
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:45,799
Speaker 2: do it in a way that was grounded. But I

773
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:47,319
Speaker 2: think there's many ways you could do it, and I

774
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:50,240
Speaker 2: think maybe the fact that she's called Eve Carlo hints

775
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 2: a bigger.

776
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:51,279
Speaker 3: Role for her.

777
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 2: I she is actually now at my top of my

778
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:57,919
Speaker 2: list of people that I think will survive. I think

779
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 2: that she is now reflecting what Oz does, where he

780
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 2: plays the people he needs to play and I think

781
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:06,760
Speaker 2: in this case, she made the right gambit with Sophia,

782
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 2: and I think that she will survive because I don't

783
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 2: think Oz will believe or think that it was her

784
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 2: who betrayed him.

785
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 1: I do. I do worry that she may die as

786
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:21,759
Speaker 1: a that he will find out and may have her killed.

787
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 1: I will say that I thought this was an amazing

788
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 1: conversation and it was actually the most I thought it was, like,

789
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 1: you know, from a moral framework, ifyone could apply that

790
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 1: to these characters. I thought it was like the worst

791
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:37,399
Speaker 1: moment for Sophia. Yeah, like it's her, it's her most manipulative,

792
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:42,320
Speaker 1: it's her most It's to your point, she's all about

793
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 1: revenge and she uses the memories of these women to

794
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:48,799
Speaker 1: get it. Yeah, you know, to take their pain and

795
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:52,479
Speaker 1: put it on her and say, really it's aren't I Like, yes,

796
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 1: I was put into Arkham and it was horrible what

797
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:57,279
Speaker 1: I went through, but like, really, like, we can get

798
00:42:57,280 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 1: revenge by killing this guy who didn't even kill her.

799
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:04,600
Speaker 1: That's basically her pitch. And again using the image of

800
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 1: the hangman to inflict terror on the streets and at

801
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 1: the same time like putting up this is terrible what

802
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 1: Iz did to me made everybody think I'm the hangman.

803
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:18,879
Speaker 1: I could, by the way, go to the press any

804
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:20,799
Speaker 1: day that they would listen to me as the daughter

805
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 1: of Carmine Falcon, Like I could do that now and say,

806
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:26,320
Speaker 1: you want a dynamite story, Carmine Falcone is the hangman.

807
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 2: I will say as well, like there are people who

808
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 2: know that he killed these women, and that came out

809
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:32,319
Speaker 2: at the end of The Batman, at least at.

810
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 1: Least pot there's many, many people, like surely everybody at

811
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 1: the club and everybody at the top level of the vocals.

812
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 3: I think it's very interesting.

813
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 2: Also, I think this is the power of this space

814
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 2: that they're building and the brave choices they make to

815
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:54,799
Speaker 2: not instantly do easy connections, because it would have been

816
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 2: very easy for them to include Maria Kyle here, like

817
00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:01,920
Speaker 2: Selina's mom that we found out about in The Batman.

818
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 2: Now she was not She was a waitress at the

819
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:07,920
Speaker 2: Iceberg Lounge, so we don't know what that means. She

820
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:09,880
Speaker 2: could be, she could have been a sex worker. It

821
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 2: would have been easy for them to mention her here

822
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:14,399
Speaker 2: when Eve does her speech, but she doesn't. I also

823
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:18,240
Speaker 2: do wonder, Okay, So I speaking of connections, an uneasy

824
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:21,040
Speaker 2: connection that I think would be very interesting to make here,

825
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 2: would be if there if somehow. I mean, this is

826
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:30,839
Speaker 2: probably wishing too big because I think they haven't done

827
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 2: a lot of connective stuff in this, but they've done

828
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 2: a great job of building it, aside from obviously having

829
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 2: Colin as the penguin. But I do think that there

830
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 2: is something very interesting and appealing as a viewer, and

831
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:45,400
Speaker 2: I'm sure as a storyteller about the fact that Sophia

832
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:50,399
Speaker 2: Falcone and Selena Kayle are half sisters. And I do

833
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 2: wonder if there's anything in these next two episodes that

834
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:58,840
Speaker 2: a way that Sophia finds out that Carmen had other children,

835
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 2: or that there's because in Sofia's mind, that would be

836
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 2: a threat, that's somebody who could take away from her,

837
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 2: you know, her her queendom that she is currently building on,

838
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:14,239
Speaker 2: the kind of bones of this vengeful killing spree that

839
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 2: she's on.

840
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 1: I do wonder if we don't see Eve she's masterfully

841
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:23,760
Speaker 1: played these two characters often and gotten what she's needed

842
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 1: exactly and from Sophia at different times. I wonder if

843
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 1: she doesn't parley that into something more for her and

844
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 1: the girl, something more for them, you know, whether.

845
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:38,399
Speaker 3: Even I mean from Oz, there could be some kind

846
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:38,759
Speaker 3: of a.

847
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 2: Better split if they worked at the Iceberg Lounge, some

848
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:48,480
Speaker 2: kind of protection. It's obviously inevitable, That's yeah. I mean,

849
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:51,239
Speaker 2: Also we will I'm assuming that we will see at

850
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:55,360
Speaker 2: least an inkling in Oz's eye that he is gonna

851
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:58,279
Speaker 2: take the Iceberg Lounge as his own, because that's a

852
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:01,799
Speaker 2: classic penguin location which we saw owned by Carmine and

853
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 2: the Batman.

854
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:04,360
Speaker 3: But yeah, I'm.

855
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:06,640
Speaker 2: Saying I think this is such a good show. I'm

856
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:08,920
Speaker 2: obsessed with it. I think all the casting is fantastic.

857
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 2: I think Carmen and Jogo should definitely be up for

858
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 2: like a Best Supporting I think, Sophia, I want everyone

859
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:15,240
Speaker 2: to get an.

860
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:16,799
Speaker 1: M on this. Everyone is so good.

861
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:18,280
Speaker 3: This feels like it should.

862
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 2: Be one of those like twenty two nominations because the

863
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 2: production design is fantastic, the casting is fantastic, the ensemble

864
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:26,440
Speaker 2: is fantastic.

865
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:27,759
Speaker 3: Everything about it is great.

866
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:29,359
Speaker 2: I'm a big fan, so I hope it gets some

867
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 2: recognition as we head into f y C. Also, the

868
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 2: show and it did tease a potential that there could

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Speaker 2: be like she has ideas for a season two and

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Speaker 2: I mean, who would.

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Speaker 1: It's good.

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Speaker 3: So I'm like she said that, m I, Colin, we're

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Speaker 3: gonna beat We're gonna put you in that suit. Man,

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Speaker 3: We're gonna put you in that suit.

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Speaker 1: Hey, put the put the put the suit on, Colin. Oh.

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Speaker 3: Also, I actually want to shut.

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Speaker 1: The fucking suit on. All right, this is.

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Speaker 2: Perfect timing Jason with that beautiful impression because one of

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Speaker 2: our disco users, firstifar, I want to shout them out

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Speaker 2: because I believe this is a first. They said that

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Speaker 2: they think they're the first listener to have ever listened

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Speaker 2: to your penguin impression in the Antarctic, which is where

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Speaker 2: they are right now. So I want to shout out

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Speaker 2: first because I do believe you are almost certainly the

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Speaker 2: first person who's heard Jason's fantastic penguin impression in the Antarctic.

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Speaker 2: So yes, and I'm sure you'll be hearing much more

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Speaker 2: of it as we keep covering the show.

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Speaker 1: That's right on the next couple of episodes of X

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Speaker 1: Ray Vision, we're diving into Agatha one oh seven Okay,

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Speaker 1: wait Wednesday, Abu and Aeron are talking about episodes one

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Speaker 1: O six seven off Hurricane Season one of Arcane that's

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Speaker 1: it for this episode. Thanks for listening. Bye x ray

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Speaker 1: Vision is hosted by Jason Gitsubsion and Rosie Knight and

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Speaker 1: is a production of iHeart Podcasts. Our executive producers are

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Speaker 1: Joelle Smith and Aaron Kaufman. Our supervising producer is a

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Speaker 1: Boo z Afar. Our producers are Carmen Laurent and Mia Taylor.

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Speaker 1: Our theme song is by Brian Basquez.

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Speaker 2: Special thanks to Soul Rubin and Chris Laude, Kenny Goodman

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Speaker 2: and Heidi our discord moderator.