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Speaker 1: Revere revely dalks. Look at us now, tip to tip.

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Speaker 1: This is our life, this is our passion.

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Speaker 2: That's the spirit we.

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Speaker 1: Bring to this show.

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Speaker 2: I'm Luke Thomas.

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Speaker 1: I'm Brian Campbell.

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Speaker 2: This this Morning Combat. What a weekend, what a show,

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Speaker 2: what an event, and what a podcast, an award winning podcast.

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Speaker 2: Here on this Monday morning, the twenty first of March

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty two, it is time, ladies and gentlemen, mostly gentlemen,

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Speaker 2: really mostly January sixth gentlemen, for Morning Combat. Hello everyone,

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Speaker 2: I am nearly one half of your hosting duo. I

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Speaker 2: join you from the capital of Statosundos, right here in Washington,

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Speaker 2: d C. I am joined by the Viceroy of Connecticut,

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Speaker 2: who was very quiet on the interwebs and text message

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Speaker 2: messages this weekend. I'm guessing he got out and got

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Speaker 2: some sun, although he looks more pink than anything. My

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Speaker 2: friend in yours with a hunting hat who he's never been.

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Speaker 2: It's Brian Campbell.

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Speaker 1: Hi, Ryan, Thank you Luke again. I don't wear this

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Speaker 1: hat for style. I wear it for its high tea

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Speaker 1: message to those that want to doubt me or confront me. Luke,

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Speaker 1: it does you know it does look like like I've

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Speaker 1: killed an animal, right, Luke, like like it like it's possible, right.

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Speaker 2: I mean, here is something it does not look possible.

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Speaker 1: They don't understand, right, Luke. Yeah, So hey, I'm back.

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Speaker 1: It's Monday. You and I are going to catch a

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Speaker 1: plane for South Beach soon or Fort Laarde or whateverever

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Speaker 1: the hell we're going. But as we speak today, Luke,

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Speaker 1: the weather's changing, Optimism abound. I'm fired up, Luke. I

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Speaker 1: mean they want the vod here's the hot rod?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 1: You know where I'm going with that?

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Speaker 2: I don't know where is that from?

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Speaker 1: Shoop mebbe.

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Speaker 2: Okay, all right, Well, however your feeling on this fine

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Speaker 2: Monday morning, where were you?

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Speaker 1: Like?

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Speaker 2: What did you do?

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Speaker 1: You know? I went for a four mile walk around

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Speaker 1: the neighborhood, Luke. But just getting that seventy to grease.

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Speaker 1: It was like injection season, Luke.

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Speaker 2: It was.

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Speaker 1: It was fantastic, so great, great stuff. Did you know?

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Speaker 1: Did the family stuff? Luke? Okay? Feel refreshed, to feel ready,

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Speaker 1: you know, Luke? Like you know, spring, it happens every year.

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Speaker 1: Comes after that, that, you know, pit of despair we

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Speaker 1: call winter for those of us that don't ski apparently

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Speaker 1: because the skiers look they're living it up. I mean,

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Speaker 1: these these people have no idea. It's winter, right, you know,

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Speaker 1: they're snorting the mountain. They're so happy. But for the

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Speaker 1: rest of us, Luke, spring is it's it springs eternal Luke. Okay, hope,

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Speaker 1: joy optimism, Uh, the idea of not being fat and

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Speaker 1: being happy every day. It's fantastic, Luke. So you know

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Speaker 2: Thank you fair enough. Well, speaking of all of the

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Speaker 2: celebrity or I should say, to celebrations, UFC London an

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Speaker 2: incredible event over the weekend. There was some boxing as

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Speaker 2: well that was not as good. We'll talk about all

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Speaker 1: for what happened this morning, Luke with yes, your recording.

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Speaker 2: All right, BC, I don't know what else there would

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Speaker 2: UFC London. What an event historic in many ways, nine

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Speaker 2: is one kind of test and it's a very important,

430
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Speaker 2: super impactful one. All right, are other ones that also

431
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Speaker 2: have to be answered.

432
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Speaker 1: As we know. April twenty third, is that Tyson Fury

433
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Speaker 1: Dillian White Heavyweight Boxing Championship match between two UK you

434
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Speaker 1: know stars and they sold what ninety they sold ninety

435
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Speaker 1: thousand tickets, Luke, and it's gonna you know break. They're

436
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Speaker 1: trying to break the Anthony Joshua most recent record and

437
00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:55,960
Speaker 1: of course the Carl Frott record before that for outdoor

438
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Speaker 1: stadium fights in that area. But you know, Francis Senganu

439
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Speaker 1: versus Tom aspinall for the heavyweight championship. I wonder if

440
00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:06,520
Speaker 1: that's our first taste of UFC doing you know, eighty

441
00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:10,480
Speaker 1: ninety k and it's like a freaking uh uh you

442
00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:13,439
Speaker 1: know Woodstock over there, Luke. And my question to you

443
00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:17,119
Speaker 1: on that is, is it this group right now? And

444
00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:20,800
Speaker 1: certainly we're gonna talk, Patty, We're gonna talk, you know,

445
00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:23,399
Speaker 1: meep all everybody up and down that that's shine on

446
00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:27,760
Speaker 1: this card? Is it just that? Or can the UFC

447
00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:30,760
Speaker 1: commit up to two pay per views a year from

448
00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:34,600
Speaker 1: this region and put anybody more or less you know,

449
00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:37,880
Speaker 1: pay per view worthy main event co main event and

450
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Speaker 1: do stadiums on a regular if they wanted to, how

451
00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:43,679
Speaker 1: you know, what's a lead check on that area?

452
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Speaker 2: Well, if you had Leon Edwards in the main event

453
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Speaker 2: with Kumora for the Welterway Tundle, I think you could.

454
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Speaker 2: But if you had let's say, Kolby versus Jorge in

455
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Speaker 2: London or something where two guys where it's not a

456
00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:56,440
Speaker 2: belt on the line or not from the area, not

457
00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:59,360
Speaker 2: from the country, even what could they do? I still

458
00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:01,560
Speaker 2: think it would do really really well. Could they do

459
00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:03,439
Speaker 2: ninety thousand for that? I don't think they could do

460
00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:05,679
Speaker 2: ninety thousand for that, But for the right kind of fights,

461
00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:08,679
Speaker 2: in the right kind of card, they might be able to.

462
00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:12,280
Speaker 2: They really might. The enthusiasm in that market is impossible

463
00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:15,360
Speaker 2: to deny or ignore, so the right match. But see,

464
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Speaker 2: here's the thing. This was their first show back in

465
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Speaker 2: three years. You know, the next London show probably, it's

466
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Speaker 2: all fair to say, probably won't be as good. This

467
00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:24,679
Speaker 2: was something of a magical moment. So you're gonna regress

468
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Speaker 2: to the mean a little bit here to get the

469
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Speaker 2: right kind of experience. BC, I think you got to

470
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Speaker 2: stack it the right way, not just any old thing.

471
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Speaker 1: I just think with with UFC being on ESPN now

472
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Speaker 1: and sometimes there's strategic reasons why they should go earlier

473
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Speaker 1: in the day because of that, whether it's boxing, having

474
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Speaker 1: a monster card at that same time or anything else,

475
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Speaker 1: you got more, there's more reasons to do the afternoon

476
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Speaker 1: pay per view, Luke, That's all I'm saying. Okay, Luke, Look,

477
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Speaker 1: you know they've been asking for years one of those

478
00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:53,960
Speaker 1: unanswerable questions of who let the dogs out? But we're

479
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Speaker 1: gonna answer it now. It's gonna be you right now, Luke.

480
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Speaker 2: You know what? All right? Point number two, let's move along.

481
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Speaker 2: Point number two. How about that co main event, because

482
00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:04,240
Speaker 2: that was a brutal one as well, a'llbeit a different kind.

483
00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:08,320
Speaker 2: He's the UFC's Gary Russell Junior. He's been fighting once

484
00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:10,520
Speaker 2: a year and beating good competition. The whole time. We

485
00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:12,360
Speaker 2: were wondering how he was gonna look this time he

486
00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:18,520
Speaker 2: looked amazing. Arnold Allen dispatches with Dan Hooker in He

487
00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:21,600
Speaker 2: did get dropped briefly or sent to a knee when

488
00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:24,000
Speaker 2: he got over zealous in the pursuit, but other than

489
00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:26,879
Speaker 2: that it was one way traffic. BC question for you,

490
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Speaker 2: was this the performance that Arnold Allen needed to start

491
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Speaker 2: truly ascending into that top five big fight number one

492
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Speaker 2: contender fights.

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Absolutely, Luke, please let those dogs out, Luke, please, absolutely.

494
00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:45,960
Speaker 1: It was in look not only had been fighting too infrequently.

495
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Speaker 1: The big question I posed ahead of this was he's

496
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Speaker 1: been solid. He's been good to very good, but he

497
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Speaker 1: has been great. There's been decision after decision for the

498
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Speaker 1: most part in that run, and he hasn't had his moment. Well, dude,

499
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Speaker 1: this is your moment to do it in front of

500
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Speaker 1: this crowd, in this setting. Arnold Allen may be able

501
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Speaker 1: to benefit. And I say that because we get he's

502
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Speaker 1: a very good fighter with big potential, but not overly.

503
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:09,200
Speaker 1: I mean, he's not Patty pimblet or you know he's

504
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:10,879
Speaker 1: not going for it in that level in terms of

505
00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:15,440
Speaker 1: potential marketability, but he may get huge opportunities and being

506
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Speaker 1: placed high in huge cards after this type of win.

507
00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:22,080
Speaker 1: It was the one he needed in terms of name recognition,

508
00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:26,640
Speaker 1: because when you've won a long streak, you gotta sometimes

509
00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:29,000
Speaker 1: really put that. Put that pipe fitter's cone right on

510
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:31,879
Speaker 1: the top, just put just put that, just just just

511
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Speaker 1: fuck tighten that shit. H This was that win against

512
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:40,600
Speaker 1: the name, like Dan, Hooker still still holds up value,

513
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Speaker 1: although you know we're going in the wrong direction here,

514
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:47,120
Speaker 1: but still holds up value right now. But yeah, Luke,

515
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:51,080
Speaker 1: we haven't seen him that explosive now, I think if

516
00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:53,800
Speaker 1: I can hedge my enthusiasm just a bit, you know,

517
00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:57,679
Speaker 1: Hooker's Hooker's really gambling at this weight cut, with this

518
00:24:57,720 --> 00:24:59,800
Speaker 1: way cut, you could tell you could see physically, Luke,

519
00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:02,359
Speaker 1: how he's just it just barely seemed to make it.

520
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:05,879
Speaker 1: And I didn't like anything about his punch resistance and

521
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:09,440
Speaker 1: reaction to it, and that that could easily just be

522
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Speaker 1: because you know, Allan was landing perfect shots and heavy shots.

523
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Speaker 1: But you know, we've seen a little bit more resilience,

524
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Speaker 1: to say the very least from Dan Hooker, So that

525
00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:22,600
Speaker 1: compromised version of himself, which I believe to be in

526
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Speaker 1: this not desperate but aggressive attempt to cut back down

527
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Speaker 1: and wait and make another run at the top. I

528
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:31,880
Speaker 1: think that played a factor in Arnold Allen being allowed

529
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Speaker 1: to look this spectacular. But did he need this? Hell? Yeah?

530
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Speaker 1: Does he look like he's ready to find out how

531
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Speaker 1: good he could be? Yes, Luke, let's find out. Let's

532
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Speaker 1: match him against the very best. You get to pass that.

533
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Speaker 2: You know.

534
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Speaker 1: Somebody asking after, could you really deny Arnold Allen with

535
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Speaker 1: another win if he wins ten in a row Dana

536
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,840
Speaker 1: for a title shot? Yeah, of course you could. Unfortunately

537
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:55,280
Speaker 1: you could, but we're not there yet. But we're going

538
00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:58,359
Speaker 1: in that direction at the very least. Okay, Luke, you

539
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:00,800
Speaker 1: got to do this now a couple times? Right?

540
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 2: Yeah? Did you see the pictures of Dan Hooker at

541
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:04,880
Speaker 2: the weigh ins?

542
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:06,080
Speaker 1: Yes?

543
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:09,159
Speaker 2: Yes, I mean I can't describe to you how thin

544
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:12,679
Speaker 2: that was, other than to say that is literally not

545
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:18,320
Speaker 2: an exaggeration. That is literally stage ready bodybuilder thin, where

546
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:21,320
Speaker 2: they have reduced the amount of fat on their body

547
00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:23,960
Speaker 2: to a very narrow You can only do it for

548
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:27,159
Speaker 2: a short window, like a few hours, even they have

549
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:30,639
Speaker 2: narrowed and removed as much fat and water from their

550
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 2: body as humanly possible. You know, it's just did he

551
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 2: make the weight more safely than he has in the past.

552
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:40,840
Speaker 2: Certainly is that an optimal weight class for him? No,

553
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 2: we'll talk about Dan Hooker in just a second. But but

554
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,560
Speaker 2: getting back to Arnold Allen. Part of the issue for

555
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:47,959
Speaker 2: me about why this fight was a great win for him,

556
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:49,679
Speaker 2: But I still need to see more as one we

557
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:51,320
Speaker 2: still just don't Maybe this is his first fight in

558
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty. Granted it's marsh we have plenty of time.

559
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:55,120
Speaker 2: I would really like to see him get another big

560
00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:58,040
Speaker 2: fight against a big contender this year. That's the first

561
00:26:58,040 --> 00:26:59,720
Speaker 2: part and saying. But the second part was, you know

562
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Speaker 2: he did and just beat Dan Hooker because Dan Hooker

563
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,119
Speaker 2: may have been compromised from the waight cut. I certainly

564
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 2: think that probably played a role. And also, by the

565
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:08,920
Speaker 2: way all of the beatings he's taken over the years,

566
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:10,879
Speaker 2: I think that played a role. But dude, he was

567
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:14,120
Speaker 2: also tactically outgunned in this one. I mean they Dan

568
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:16,359
Speaker 2: Hooker has a tendency to Paul with that with that

569
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:17,879
Speaker 2: jab a little bit, and then kind of use it

570
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 2: as a rangefinder or whatever. And they knew he was

571
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 2: going to do that up front, and they read it,

572
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 2: I mean a million miles away. As soon as that

573
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 2: cross was extended. I think it was the jab that

574
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 2: was extended. They lit him on fire right away. I

575
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 2: mean they had a game plan, they executed it. It

576
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:35,680
Speaker 2: was devastating initially. Again, the weight cut and everything else

577
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 2: didn't help Dan Hooker, But dude, it was the smarts

578
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:40,680
Speaker 2: and it was the strategy, and it was the UK

579
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:44,200
Speaker 2: from a thoughtful standpoint that that got Yeah in that win.

580
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Speaker 1: So some of what you're saying was they almost strategized

581
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:49,639
Speaker 1: for this exact ending saying, look, he's making a you know,

582
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,679
Speaker 1: a tough cut and you're going for it, but you

583
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:54,879
Speaker 1: know you don't have punch resistance, Luke. When you make

584
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,119
Speaker 1: ridiculously hard cuts like that, you don't, you know, And

585
00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:58,960
Speaker 1: I mean look at right, I mean you look at

586
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:01,240
Speaker 1: quickly Dela shall crumble against the Huto. It was just

587
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:04,440
Speaker 1: like that shit was over, like right away. That's the

588
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:06,680
Speaker 1: gamble you take in doing this. But look, it did

589
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 1: make Arnold Allen look like a killer. And he's got

590
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 1: a couple more of these to prove that he actually

591
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:13,880
Speaker 1: is right. You got to you gotta now, you got

592
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:17,120
Speaker 1: to maintain this level, this dominance on a regular can

593
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:19,360
Speaker 1: he I don't know, but this is again the win

594
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:22,360
Speaker 1: he needed to be in this group of people from

595
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 1: that area loop that are they're dude, they're coming on.

596
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 2: They're coming on, They're coming on. But I think you're right.

597
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 2: It's like, listen, I don't know exactly what it means

598
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 2: to beat Dan Hooker at one forty five in twenty

599
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 2: twenty two. I don't. I don't really have a clear set.

600
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:38,600
Speaker 2: I mean, we know he's good at one fifty five,

601
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 2: but even there he's got some limits. What is he

602
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 2: at one forty five? We don't know. It's hard to say,

603
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 2: so I think another one is needed. But you know,

604
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 2: beating a guy who was certainly at a bare minimum

605
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 2: very quality at one fifty five and to do it

606
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 2: the way he did is extremely impressive. I just think

607
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 2: we need to see more. To me, that was a

608
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,000
Speaker 2: the UFC being like, we've got this guy who's talented,

609
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 2: we got to give him a fight that it actually

610
00:28:57,680 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 2: matters to people, and the matters certainly for that division

611
00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 2: on level, and we need to see what he can

612
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 2: do in this promotional moment and everything came together on

613
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 2: that level. But from a does he beat Ortega? Does

614
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 2: he beat Korean Zombie? To your boy? Does he beat Zabat?

615
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 2: These are fights we still need to see, if not

616
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 2: those specifically, other ones like it. The big thing for

617
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:17,720
Speaker 2: me though, was.

618
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 1: Hooker Zibi would would would f him up? All right,

619
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 1: let's just be fair.

620
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:24,480
Speaker 2: He might, he might. You know who knows? The boy

621
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 2: I want to make is it's about Hooker man. I

622
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 2: remember after the Edson Barboza fight. I asked Dan Hooker, like, dude,

623
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 2: are you not worried about taking all this damage? And

624
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 2: his answer was, it's not boxing where it's just waste

625
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 2: up or you know, seventy percent of the punches or

626
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 2: all the strikes total go to the head and you

627
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 2: get these severe brain damage issues that we don't have

628
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 2: as many of those in MMA. There actually is some

629
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 2: data to support that that there is a distribution of

630
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:50,720
Speaker 2: punishment that somewhat narrows the amount of brain injury. There's

631
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 2: obviously a lot more study that needs to be done.

632
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 2: There is something to that. On the other side of things, BC,

633
00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 2: On the other side of things, you your body cannot

634
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 2: absorb matic weight cuts and then beatings like he had

635
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 2: in the For example, he got knocked out against Michael Channer,

636
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 2: which is not a beating, but it was you know, ferocious,

637
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 2: the Poirier fight, the Felder fight, the Barbosa fight. Where

638
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 2: you're taking ext it damages your muscles, it damages your ligaments.

639
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 1: You know he got the ship the problem, well he

640
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 1: delivered it too, but he got you know, that was

641
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 1: a grueling fight.

642
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 2: But dude, here's the thing. I think a guy like

643
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:30,240
Speaker 2: that can travel from from New Zealand on a Tuesday

644
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 2: and then make a weight cut on a Frida or

645
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 2: even a Wednesday, and then he can put himself to

646
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 2: one forty five and then he cannot feel this abuse

647
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 2: and whatever. There are these guys who can turn off

648
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 2: all the mechanisms in their body that get them to

649
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 2: stop doing things that are either difficult or in some

650
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 2: cases risky, come with pain difficulty. He has completely shut

651
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 2: that off. But the problem is now that he's shut

652
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 2: that off, there is still these other issues you have

653
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 2: to tackle on the other side, namely all of the

654
00:30:56,560 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 2: damage that actually inhibits performance. Even if you have mentally

655
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 2: said I'm not going to succumb to it. Your body

656
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 2: will make choices for you, and it does appear that's

657
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 2: where he is now. How worried are you about the

658
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 2: future of Dan Hooker at all thirty teen years old?

659
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, very worried for everything you just said. When you

660
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 1: do that when you like, I don't. I wouldn't call

661
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 1: his actions the last couple of years desperate necessarily, but

662
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 1: he was like almost on tilt in the direction of like,

663
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 1: this is my prime, this is my window. Like whatever

664
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:29,000
Speaker 1: it takes, I'm going to prove it to you. I mean,

665
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 1: it's I hate to say it, you know, it's kind

666
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 1: of it's similar but at a higher, more elite level

667
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 1: to what Kevin Lee has been going through of late.

668
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 1: I don't consider they're past the same thing, but it's

669
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 1: sort of like, Okay, this is the fight I'm going

670
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 1: to show you. And you know he bought time with

671
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 1: that nas uh, with that hass hack parass fight like

672
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 1: I will nail that name one of these days. He

673
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 1: bought time with that. But I don't, you know, you

674
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 1: can it's hard for me to sit here and financially

675
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 1: given how much it costs to go through an elite

676
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 1: training camp, and you know, in theory, how underpaid for

677
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 1: what they're worth. These guys are when you get to

678
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 1: Dan Hooker's level. So it's hard for me to say, man,

679
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 1: you should take a year off and retool. I don't

680
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 1: know if you can even afford to do that, Luke,

681
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 1: But he needs an extended break in my opinion, to

682
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 1: let the wear and tear the grind, and he put

683
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 1: himself in the coffee grinder extra extra the last two

684
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 1: three years. If you don't do that, Luke, you're gonna

685
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 1: end up Henn and Brow or even a Michael Johnson

686
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 1: where like we know it's in you, but you end

687
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 1: up becoming that tough ass journeyman who takes more ls

688
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 1: than w's but puts on a really good fight in performance,

689
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 1: and you know there's that's still a high level of

690
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 1: professional fighter, and you can make a good living that

691
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 1: way despite the physical receipt. You'll you know, you'll take on.

692
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 1: But Dan Hooker to or false, Luke, and I think

693
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 1: you're gonna say true. He's shown at times legitimate title

694
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 1: top end of the sport potential, So it's it's hard

695
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 1: to just say, Okay, just yeah, I go back to it.

696
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 1: Bro go ahead, You're You're gonna make us fun fights.

697
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 1: You'll win some, you'll lose some, keep going. No, I

698
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 1: want to see him take a break, Retool, and if

699
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 1: there's one more roun, Luke, if there's one real run

700
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 1: at one fifty five for him to figure out how

701
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 1: great he's going to be. I think he only gets

702
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 1: there by stepping away for a bit and letting everything

703
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 1: air out. And you know, Retool, I'm god, change your team.

704
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 1: I'm not saying you have to, and I'm saying that's

705
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 1: the team's fault, but this is the time to do

706
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 1: that in your career. This is the time to, you know,

707
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 1: to be to be more efficient. You could be just

708
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 1: just as aggressive and your decision making, but you have

709
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 1: to be efficient with them too, Luke, And I don't

710
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 1: think he's being that.

711
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 2: I think there's a skills issue. Honestly, we know he's tough.

712
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 2: We know he can get into two different weight classes.

713
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 2: If you can get into two different weight classes, and

714
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 2: we know you're tough, and he obviously is skilled. He's

715
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 2: not like some low level fighter. To your point, he

716
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 2: has shown us some real flashes of brilliance. But if

717
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 2: you're coming up short and you're changing weight, classes, and

718
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 2: you're finding all these different avenues to like maximize physical

719
00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 2: effect or whatever the case may be, and you're still

720
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 2: coming up short, being submitted quickly by Islam, who's no

721
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 2: no chump, he's very very good, you know, losing to

722
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 2: Alan very very good, Paul Felder, Dustin Pori. These are

723
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 2: all good guys. But the accumulative weight of it is

724
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:12,920
Speaker 2: there need to be more skills to win, period. There

725
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:14,719
Speaker 2: just need to be more skills to win. So to

726
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:16,400
Speaker 2: your point, that's the one thing I would say is

727
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 2: backing up a little bit and saying I'm thirty two,

728
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:20,439
Speaker 2: I'm not like I shouldn't be over the hill by now,

729
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:24,360
Speaker 2: and then working on game development to the extent possible.

730
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:26,880
Speaker 2: The other thing I would say BC is I you

731
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:29,959
Speaker 2: don't hear this as much in boxing, and I wonder

732
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 2: what you feel about at MMA. Every time I see

733
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 2: a young ish fighter take a beating like an Ortega

734
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:39,360
Speaker 2: or even Hooker as a young ish against poorier, I

735
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 2: have so many people after the fact tell me okay,

736
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:44,840
Speaker 2: but they'll recover, they'll be fine. There is this weird

737
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,319
Speaker 2: current in MMA where everyone's like, yeah, sure that was bad,

738
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:49,839
Speaker 2: but that was bad for that night. Don't underestimate how

739
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 2: tough they are, folks. It does not necessarily matter how

740
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:54,880
Speaker 2: tough you are your body, whether you want it to

741
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:56,759
Speaker 2: go a certain distance or whether you want it to

742
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 2: do things. It has limits. It has physical limits. And

743
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 2: if you take a beating like you do in that

744
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:05,920
Speaker 2: Edson Barboza fight where the commentators are screaming for the

745
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:09,479
Speaker 2: referee to stop it, that bill is going to come

746
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:12,759
Speaker 2: do Yeah. Maybe not tomorrow, maybe not next month, maybe

747
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,719
Speaker 2: not next year, but it will happen. That There is

748
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:17,799
Speaker 2: no such thing as a free lunch. The beating you

749
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 2: take on one end, even if you get a win,

750
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 2: the balance of that you'll have to pay a little

751
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 2: bit later on. I don't know exactly where a guy

752
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 2: like Hooker is because of all these changes, and again

753
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 2: he's fighting only elite guys. I think a dial back

754
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:34,440
Speaker 2: and opponent is probably merited. Here be see. But my

755
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 2: only point is this instinct in MMA to not be

756
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 2: aware of how a single beating connects to later performance

757
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 2: or later life quality. Forget even just the fight itself

758
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 2: and the profession. There is this massive ignorance about it

759
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 2: because we just want to believe these guys can mentally

760
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 2: out tough. The limits of things they can to a

761
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:55,719
Speaker 2: pretty strong degree, but there are also things they cannot

762
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 2: work past. And when those bills come do there is

763
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:00,080
Speaker 2: nothing you can do about it.

764
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 1: That's something my liver constantly reminds me. You're speaking of

765
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:07,839
Speaker 1: free lunches, right, constantly. It reminds me, Yeah, hey, look

766
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 1: quickly for your health purposes. I know how much we

767
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 1: love athletic greens. If they came out with a plant

768
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:16,400
Speaker 1: paced vape cartridge, would.

769
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 2: You know, I'm trying to cut down the vapes. I'm

770
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,279
Speaker 2: trying to cut down. I'm trying to get rid of it.

771
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 2: So hopefully by the next couple of weeks I'll stop.

772
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:25,879
Speaker 1: That's the se I'll say in hindsight, in terms of

773
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 1: my favorite mistake of your life and career, it was

774
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:32,719
Speaker 1: this was my favorite. Look, this is the season vape seasons, Yeah, this.

775
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 2: Is It was a nice little quarter of twenty twenty two.

776
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:37,839
Speaker 2: Hopefully won't last longer than that. All right, point number three.

777
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:39,839
Speaker 2: This guy was where all the attention was headed at

778
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 2: aspinall was your main event, and certainly Arnold Allen had

779
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:43,880
Speaker 2: a lot of going for him as well, But the

780
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 2: big attraction I think on the card certainly in terms

781
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:49,239
Speaker 2: of where fans have the most amount of intrigue and

782
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 2: even questions would be Patty Pemblett and he you know,

783
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:54,839
Speaker 2: didn't start out in the first minute all that great,

784
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 2: but it ended pretty well for him after that. In fact,

785
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 2: I would say he beat Kauzula of Oreguess with relative ease. OKBC,

786
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 2: we know he's due for an upgrade and opponent. I

787
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 2: think at that point after Saturday, it's pretty clear if

788
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 2: that was a nice two fight test run he got

789
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 2: in UFC third one needs to be a step up.

790
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 2: But did you learn anything new about Patty Pimblet from

791
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 2: this win?

792
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:21,799
Speaker 1: Yeah? I mean, look, you know, I mean getting a

793
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:25,279
Speaker 1: submission win when there's this many questions about whether his

794
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 1: skill level is anywhere close to his potential commercial appeal.

795
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 1: Getting that submission and turning the direction of that fight

796
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 1: that quickly and you know, demonstratively, it was impressive. It

797
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:43,239
Speaker 1: doesn't take away, though, the questions that are legitimately there

798
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 1: about his you know, his skill set, his defense, his

799
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 1: decision making at times too, Like like, look I say

800
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:53,720
Speaker 1: this about Ryan Garcia and boxing, right, I think Garcia

801
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,239
Speaker 1: is a little bit more talented than pimblet. But you

802
00:37:56,280 --> 00:38:00,760
Speaker 1: can already argue Patty's got a brighter, you know, commercial future.

803
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 1: But when Ryan Garcia loses, it's gonna be spectab mean,

804
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 1: he's gonna get splattered, Luke, It's gonna be spectacular real quick.

805
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 2: Why would come? Why would you? I'm just caarious about

806
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 2: Yan Garcia because I haven't seen him as much as you.

807
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 2: What have you seen very quickly from Ryan Garcia? That

808
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:16,319
Speaker 2: makes you think that when that right matchup comes along,

809
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:17,280
Speaker 2: it's gonna be curtains.

810
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 1: The combination of not moving your head enough for an

811
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 1: elite fighter mixed with a natural want, especially when hurt,

812
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 1: to want to stand in the pocket and let that

813
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 1: shit go. Brian Garcia is gonna have spectacular knockout wins

814
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 1: and he eventually is going to have a you know,

815
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:39,239
Speaker 1: a mere con level just fuck fleecing, just fucking you know,

816
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 1: Tornado came through and tore up the town type of moment.

817
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 1: So Patty Luke inevitably is going to catch that out.

818
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 1: The question is you know, because look we have the

819
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 1: debate about the matchmaking. No matter what we think, Luke,

820
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a little bit slower than everyone else.

821
00:38:57,520 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 1: And to your point last week. You know, it's probably

822
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:02,799
Speaker 1: be the smart decision. I mean, Luke, he is a

823
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:08,320
Speaker 1: crowd activator of the very rare level. I mean, is

824
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 1: some of it corny? Is some of it aimed at

825
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:13,359
Speaker 1: getting us forty something year old dad sort of going.

826
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 1: I like the spunk, but he's kind of an asshole? Yeah,

827
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:18,279
Speaker 1: I mean it's all over the map, Luke, in terms

828
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:21,799
Speaker 1: of the emotions it's going to create. But dude, this

829
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:25,239
Speaker 1: is the straw that's stirring the larger drink. You know,

830
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:29,720
Speaker 1: Aspinall certainly has a much immediate higher ceiling to bring

831
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:33,400
Speaker 1: the Michael bisbeing level of honor and glory back to this.

832
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:38,359
Speaker 2: Was headlining that card for a reason. He's significantly more

833
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 2: advanced than Patty Pimblet.

834
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 1: But but Patty has I mean he Luke, It's it's

835
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:46,919
Speaker 1: cliche and obvious to say he's got second rate poor

836
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:50,880
Speaker 1: Man's McGregor written all over him. Yes, without question, But

837
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 1: that shit works when you're this pre wired to be

838
00:39:57,080 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 1: a shameless star in this reality tea v slash influencer era,

839
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:04,839
Speaker 1: like he he knows what. Like what we say about

840
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 1: the Paul Brothers, Luke, we say love more hate them.

841
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:10,479
Speaker 1: They know what the fuck they're doing. This guy does too, Luke.

842
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 1: But bro, you know Q up three eleven and they're

843
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:21,279
Speaker 1: in their you know fourth Studio LP, you know transistor. Luke,

844
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a beautiful disaster when they peel him

845
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:26,719
Speaker 1: off the canvas on the elite level. The question is

846
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 1: how long does it take till we get there? Luke?

847
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:31,440
Speaker 2: Right? I mean this is the point about waiting. It's like, Okay,

848
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:33,879
Speaker 2: they gave him two fights in the UFC that were

849
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 2: very manageable, and he managed them and in fact, I

850
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 2: thought it was really good. I know he's been working

851
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 2: with Justin Flores, who's a great judo coach, and you

852
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:44,800
Speaker 2: know that that trip that Harai Goushi from the Clinch

853
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:46,840
Speaker 2: that you know, you can literally go on Justin Flores's

854
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 2: Instagram and you can see Patty Pimlet working all of

855
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:51,399
Speaker 2: these things. So like, dude, the guy's talented, he's around

856
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 2: good people. He's gonna be good fighters, and I don't

857
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:55,719
Speaker 2: know what his upside is, but this is why you

858
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 2: give him easy fights for now. Again, I think the

859
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 2: next one should be graduated a little bit. But if

860
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:02,800
Speaker 2: you just think about it rationally, what is the space

861
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:05,359
Speaker 2: between his first and second fight. However many months that is.

862
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:08,319
Speaker 2: That's another camp, that's another amount of fights. He got

863
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 2: to go and train and work and train. You get

864
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:14,840
Speaker 2: more time to work on these things while you're developing

865
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 2: your brand, while you're beating good fighters, while you're getting

866
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 2: in cage time. And I made this point before, either

867
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:21,879
Speaker 2: he's going to graduate to a level whether there are

868
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 2: no longer fights where that you can hide from, or

869
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 2: he won't. He won't be good enough to get there.

870
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 2: Either way, this approach at least guarantees the maximum chance

871
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 2: that he could get someplace. So from the fight itself,

872
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 2: you know he was on the ground. I thought he

873
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 2: did a pretty good job protecting himself. The one thing

874
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 2: I would say BC that I had noticed from him

875
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 2: what I thought was good was the throw obviously moving

876
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:44,239
Speaker 2: to the back when his opponent made a mistake and

877
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:46,360
Speaker 2: trying to sit up. The way he did hand fighting,

878
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:48,759
Speaker 2: switching sides was great. Like his back work in his

879
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 2: back control might be the best part of his game.

880
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 2: He's very very good from there, right, And you saw that.

881
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:56,799
Speaker 2: The two things that concerned me, again not huge deal,

882
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 2: but just things to work on. Was one he did

883
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 2: get popped right against the fence, and you saw his

884
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 2: mop go way back, and I was like, striking defense

885
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:05,759
Speaker 2: is still a bit of an issue. And the other

886
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:08,840
Speaker 2: one was he kind of took the underneath position and

887
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 2: rolled there when he was in this kind of scrambling

888
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 2: moment with Vargas, and it's like that was fine here,

889
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:16,400
Speaker 2: and in fact I would consider that a mistake by

890
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 2: Vargas and a good call by Pimblet. But what I

891
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 2: would say is, as you graduate levels of opponents, that

892
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:26,399
Speaker 2: no longer becomes a good suggestion or a good idea.

893
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 2: For example, if you're fighting a guy who's got one

894
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:30,879
Speaker 2: pro fight, kind of taking it to him early when

895
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 2: they are at their maximum, like eyes wide open kind

896
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 2: of moment and they can be shell shocked going after

897
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:39,359
Speaker 2: them quickly makes sense. Doing that against like say Volkanovski

898
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 2: would be a very bad move. So some things to

899
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:44,720
Speaker 2: work on. He looked fine. I think the approach is working,

900
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 2: and I think for now there's no reason to stop.

901
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 1: And he's a brewing magician. And that sounds corny and stupid,

902
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:51,880
Speaker 1: but here's what I mean by that part of the

903
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:54,440
Speaker 1: McGregor riise. I always talk about the magic Luke. There

904
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 1: was a magic, an element of luck almost like you know,

905
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:01,320
Speaker 1: like it was written in like it was supposed to happen.

906
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:03,319
Speaker 1: How the hell did it happen? There was some of that,

907
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 1: but you have to be really good to execute that

908
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 1: level of momentum and control it and fucking you know,

909
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 1: shoot it out at the TV screen and knock jose

910
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:17,759
Speaker 1: Although out cold with the first strike you land. There's

911
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:20,319
Speaker 1: a little bit of that in Patty from the standpoint

912
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:24,319
Speaker 1: of you're right, he's skilled enough in certain areas you

913
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 1: either wouldn't expect or you might question. It's like I

914
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:29,720
Speaker 1: can see the holes in his game. I'm sure potential

915
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 1: opponents without question or licking their chops because they can

916
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:35,360
Speaker 1: see it. But like McGregor on the Rise, there's a

917
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:39,880
Speaker 1: next level thing in there that he can rise to

918
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:44,360
Speaker 1: the moment and even after taking some damage, get a

919
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:46,839
Speaker 1: win that that maybe you can argue he shouldn't, but

920
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 1: it's it's because some of the skills that make him

921
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 1: good or spread out in different areas, you know what

922
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So that's why it's so fun in watching

923
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 1: journeys like this, because you're like, man, I know the

924
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 1: bottom is gonna fall out, but when how fuck you know,

925
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:03,799
Speaker 1: until until those credit card bills come due? How how

926
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:05,880
Speaker 1: big can we live it? Up? Right? Well, you know

927
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:09,400
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Luke, So dude, I don't like the gimmick,

928
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 1: But am I feeling it?

929
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 2: I don't like his gimmick. I don't like his gimmick either.

930
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:18,400
Speaker 2: It does nothing for me. Like I'm not. I'm not

931
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:20,960
Speaker 2: a fan in that way. I don't. I don't hate

932
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 2: or like it does. It doesn't move me. And I

933
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:24,920
Speaker 2: was never a fan of McGregor stick either. But two

934
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 2: things I would say, and you know this is true.

935
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 2: One being an asshole to some people while you know,

936
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:32,920
Speaker 2: while your hometown found fans love you. That's great for business.

937
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 2: It's great for business number one. Number Two, it's not

938
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:39,280
Speaker 2: for us to know or appreciate, or like or dislike.

939
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 2: It's for the fans. It's for the next generation of people.

940
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 2: It's for that, the folks from Liverpool and all the

941
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:47,719
Speaker 2: people that like him, and even folks Stateside, of course.

942
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 2: But we're two forty forty two something year old dads.

943
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 2: Like what we think about it is you know, Oh

944
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:55,799
Speaker 2: I like it, I dislike it. It's irrelevant, you know.

945
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:58,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, But I'm saying, like people are gonna under people

946
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:01,799
Speaker 1: are gonna underestimate. He's gonna end up with a couple

947
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:04,759
Speaker 1: of those wins that you're like, you know, I saw

948
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 1: no way he was gonna beat that guy.

949
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, oh you know what. I got an

950
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:10,880
Speaker 2: email about this. I got an email about this over

951
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 2: the weekend. You are so right. And the guy was like, Okay,

952
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:16,359
Speaker 2: I agree with the approach of slow rolling Patty. But

953
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 2: the problem is, and he's right that until he proves something,

954
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:22,840
Speaker 2: like beats a real quality opponent, like no, no, no

955
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 2: denying him right, like McGregor Overmendez, you can say whatever

956
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 2: the fuck you want, short notice, that's a quality opponent

957
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 2: he beat. Until he does that, we're gonna have to

958
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:33,680
Speaker 2: hear about all the people he thinks he can beat

959
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 2: and all his supporters think he can beat, and we're

960
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:37,400
Speaker 2: just gonna have to sit here and tolerate. And it's

961
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 2: gonna be crazy. He can beat, you know, just name

962
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 2: somebody that's impossibly difficult to beat. Yes, there will be

963
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:44,360
Speaker 2: some of that, but that's going to raise his marketing appeal.

964
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:46,759
Speaker 2: When he loses, that will be lorded over him, or

965
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 2: if he wins, that'll be used to call him mystic Patty.

966
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:52,759
Speaker 2: Either way, the game will resolve itself in terms of

967
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 2: its truth functioning over it.

968
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:57,360
Speaker 1: And that's that's why we got to give his shtick

969
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:00,439
Speaker 1: the respect it deserves in terms of its working. And look,

970
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:03,320
Speaker 1: he makes school the He takes the emotion and energy

971
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:06,319
Speaker 1: of a schoolyard fight and brings that to you know,

972
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:09,440
Speaker 1: elite ish level mma at the highest promotion. And I

973
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 1: think that's sort of the the hook that flavor. It's like,

974
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 1: you know, momentum swings a lot of emotion. It's like, look,

975
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:20,360
Speaker 1: remember like school fights always had that built in like

976
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:22,960
Speaker 1: ending and you never knew it could be three seconds,

977
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:24,279
Speaker 1: it could be a minute and a half. But like

978
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 1: rarely did they go unrefereed, unstopped, right, you know, a

979
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 1: couple times in the wrong area of the school, some

980
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 1: kids got the shit beat out of them, Luke, But

981
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 1: most of the time it's a quick one. And Patty's

982
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 1: like that perfect like undersized school brawler who's like, if

983
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 1: that fight with wasn't stopped, he'd get the ship kicked

984
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 1: out of him. But does he have enough skill, chin balls,

985
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 1: daringness in that window before the teachers are security get

986
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:51,799
Speaker 1: there to maybe land some big shots on somebody and

987
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:54,799
Speaker 1: come away the victor. Yeah he does, Luke. I don't

988
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 1: know if that matters at the end of the day,

989
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 1: but it's gonna it's sure fun to watch. Okay, damn,

990
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 1: glad to meet you.

991
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 2: All Right, we move on now. I did have an

992
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:05,319
Speaker 2: extra credit. I guess I'm gonna have to record it

993
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:07,920
Speaker 2: after I travel from my fucking hotel room. But what

994
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:10,880
Speaker 2: are you gonna do. We'll talk about Molly McCann, Mohammed Makayev,

995
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:15,360
Speaker 2: we'll talk about Jack Shore, we'll talk about oh not

996
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:17,399
Speaker 2: the mcnann knock out. As I mentioned, there's a bunch

997
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 2: of them we're gonna get to.

998
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:19,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, you may see some of these people on Have

999
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 1: you seen this shit, Luke, It's possible.

1000
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:24,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, point number four BC. We'll move on from

1001
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:26,479
Speaker 2: UFC London again. I'll circle back to it a little

1002
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:29,839
Speaker 2: bit later and the next podcast. But Connor McGregor made

1003
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 2: some news BC and this one, I'm not sure what

1004
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 2: to say about it. I'm very curious to hear what

1005
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 2: you have to say about it. So over the weekend

1006
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 2: it came out that he was sort of talking about

1007
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:44,959
Speaker 2: getting back to action, and you know, all the stuff there.

1008
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 2: He says he wants a title fight when he comes

1009
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:52,959
Speaker 2: back against Kamar Usman, and here's what he wrote. BC.

1010
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 2: Myself versus Usman for the one seventy pound title in

1011
00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 2: my comeback fight is the one I'm eyeballing at the minute.

1012
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:01,359
Speaker 2: Why cut the weight already one at one fifty five?

1013
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 2: I got myself to a lightweight frame. But you know

1014
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 2: I'm big now. I feel big, I feel strong, i

1015
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:06,799
Speaker 2: feel healthy, I've got good energy. I'm coming back from

1016
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 2: a gruesome injury. I don't want to be depleting myself.

1017
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:11,720
Speaker 2: There should be no need to deplete myself. Okay, exception

1018
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:13,440
Speaker 2: of the Usman part, I'm on board with all that.

1019
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 2: That sounds actually pretty reasonable to me. Here's where it

1020
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:19,400
Speaker 2: goes off the rails. And I feel confident against Usman,

1021
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:24,279
Speaker 2: a jab happy, sloppy orthodox wrestler with no submissions whatsoever.

1022
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:29,440
Speaker 2: What's he going to do? Where's the danger here? I

1023
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:32,360
Speaker 2: don't see danger. No one has ever obtained three titles

1024
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:35,239
Speaker 2: and three divisions like I will uh do if we

1025
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 2: make this fight now? He is right, he'd be the

1026
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:39,359
Speaker 2: first one to capture three UFC weight class titles. BC.

1027
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 2: Where's the danger here? Do you see it.

1028
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:45,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, look, that kind of attitude is gonna

1029
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:48,439
Speaker 1: get im knocked the fuck out, and Luke inevitably when

1030
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 1: I don't say if, when these two fight, maybe the

1031
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:55,400
Speaker 1: close this year, you know, he probably will get stopped.

1032
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 1: But the whole point is, Luke, here's the deal, the

1033
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 1: history of this. He's gonna be the first person to

1034
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:03,320
Speaker 1: attempt this, let alone do it, you know, which the

1035
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:06,479
Speaker 1: odds will be against him, of course, but like that's

1036
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:10,120
Speaker 1: the that's the biggest power move he has left, right,

1037
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:12,440
Speaker 1: you know, if he looks in his tool belt of

1038
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:15,120
Speaker 1: what what on cash lottery tickets are there? Right, it's

1039
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:17,600
Speaker 1: like the third and eight fight. Of course, maybe mas

1040
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 1: of it all, and you know, probably one or two

1041
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:21,239
Speaker 1: others that were not even thinking of in the moment,

1042
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:23,800
Speaker 1: you know, maybe Holloway a second time. There's money fights left.

1043
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:28,320
Speaker 1: But which one of those gives him the chance at

1044
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:31,799
Speaker 1: like bringing back the legend, rewaking the aura from from

1045
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:33,719
Speaker 1: that's been you know, that's kind of dead, you know,

1046
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:35,359
Speaker 1: I mean, the ora is still there. The aura will

1047
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 1: still kick your ass if you're not careful, but the

1048
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:42,719
Speaker 1: chance to just get right back to where he was

1049
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 1: in the peak, not ability wise, but in terms of

1050
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:49,360
Speaker 1: like star value and critical respect. I mean, if he

1051
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:52,239
Speaker 1: pulled off this upset Luke, it's as if the last

1052
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:54,759
Speaker 1: five years didn't happen in terms of what became of

1053
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 1: his MMA career. So I think he's just one of

1054
00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:02,839
Speaker 1: those adrenaline junkies who's like, Okay, if I lose, who cares.

1055
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 1: It's not even my weight class. I'll talk you into

1056
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 1: thinking it's my weight class right now, but I know

1057
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:11,240
Speaker 1: it's not, and I may need this scare that Usman

1058
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:14,120
Speaker 1: does bring. He's the pomp for pound king. He's on

1059
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 1: his way to figure it out. If he's going in

1060
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:19,080
Speaker 1: that upper upper room, right, I mean, he's freaking legitis. Shit.

1061
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:22,759
Speaker 1: I wonder if Connor's like, I need that scare to

1062
00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:26,920
Speaker 1: get out of bed and really give it everything I

1063
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:31,279
Speaker 1: have left, Luke. So maybe that's part of the motivation, Luke.

1064
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 1: Maybe that is the motivation, dude. You know what I'm saying.

1065
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, listen, if he's saying these things that

1066
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:40,879
Speaker 2: he knows to either be true or a false rather

1067
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:43,440
Speaker 2: and then or some version of an exaggeration, he was

1068
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:46,839
Speaker 2: just saying incendiary things to get a fight, and then

1069
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:49,200
Speaker 2: on top of it, adding this sort of layer of history, like, hey,

1070
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:51,879
Speaker 2: not only would I beat this guy, but I would

1071
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:53,480
Speaker 2: be the guy for a weight class title in a

1072
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:55,759
Speaker 2: way that no one else in UFC history ever ever has.

1073
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:57,319
Speaker 2: And again he was the first in UFC to wear

1074
00:50:57,320 --> 00:51:00,520
Speaker 2: two belts simultaneously, so this would be, you know, very

1075
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:02,839
Speaker 2: much in keeping with his tradition. And again we see

1076
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 2: the other part is you know this as well as

1077
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 2: I do. Listen, the difference between a fighter daring to

1078
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:12,879
Speaker 2: be great and a fighter being absolutely batshit insane is thin,

1079
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:16,480
Speaker 2: very thin. There's a very thin difference between a guy

1080
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:20,239
Speaker 2: motivating himself and achieving true greatness and saying outrageous shit

1081
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:23,800
Speaker 2: that's utterly indefensible in pursuits of similar kinds of goals.

1082
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:26,719
Speaker 2: To me, the calibrations a little bit off, although to

1083
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:28,439
Speaker 2: your point it could be a function of just trying

1084
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:32,239
Speaker 2: to get the fight whatever. But assuming he actually believes that, yes,

1085
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:36,000
Speaker 2: I think he has gone way too far in dismissing

1086
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:38,239
Speaker 2: the quality of the opponents and assessing himself. He had

1087
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:40,799
Speaker 2: two fights with Poirier and look what that did to him.

1088
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:45,120
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, in his mind, Lispin would thrash him.

1089
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:47,600
Speaker 1: Oh he oh hell yeah, but in his mind, Luke,

1090
00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:50,360
Speaker 1: if he knows deep inside, because look, this is what

1091
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:53,560
Speaker 1: he's about. This is this is the history of Cotton McGregor, right,

1092
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:56,840
Speaker 1: taking big chances, not caring about the risk. Just believe

1093
00:51:56,840 --> 00:51:59,040
Speaker 1: you know again, whether that's what it takes to get

1094
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:04,440
Speaker 1: him to the best verson of him or not. But like, dude,

1095
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:06,920
Speaker 1: if he would, if he pulled this upset off, like

1096
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:09,400
Speaker 1: he knows, that's his argument for the rest of his

1097
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 1: life to say I'm the greatest fighter of all time. Now,

1098
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:16,600
Speaker 1: we wouldn't necessarily, although I don't want to even predict that,

1099
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:19,800
Speaker 1: because if if he knocked out Uzma, I mean it would,

1100
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:23,279
Speaker 1: it would wake a lot of things back the fuck up, Luke, Okay,

1101
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:24,840
Speaker 1: I mean we would. It would. It would awaken a

1102
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 1: lot of conversations. But you know, could I think that

1103
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:30,879
Speaker 1: that makes him the goat? No, not necessarily, but that's

1104
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:32,640
Speaker 1: the kind of currency you need to get to that

1105
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:36,319
Speaker 1: table to have that argument and make that chance. So

1106
00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:41,239
Speaker 1: he might be thinking, Luke, my windows closed in of

1107
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:43,960
Speaker 1: my prime. So let's do it. Now, this is the

1108
00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:46,720
Speaker 1: very best of what I have left coming off that injury,

1109
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:50,920
Speaker 1: you know, coming off that injury, retooled mentally It's not

1110
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:53,520
Speaker 1: gonna happen two years from now. It's gonna happen right now.

1111
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:57,160
Speaker 1: And Luke to her false here as much as his brand,

1112
00:52:57,520 --> 00:53:00,440
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say it's dangling, but it's damaged. It's it's

1113
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:01,440
Speaker 1: damaged at the moment.

1114
00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:02,080
Speaker 2: It's dim you know.

1115
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:04,319
Speaker 1: I mean, you can still get a lot out of

1116
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:06,960
Speaker 1: a damage brand. This good look at the second half

1117
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:10,120
Speaker 1: of Mike Tyson's career, like, no question about it. But

1118
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:13,399
Speaker 1: I don't think he loses a ton by getting knocked

1119
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:15,239
Speaker 1: the hell out by Kamara. Usman. We just go at

1120
00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:17,640
Speaker 1: the end of that, Okay, that challenge was what we

1121
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:20,719
Speaker 1: thought it was. You entertained us to get here. And oh,

1122
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:23,040
Speaker 1: by the way, maybe Kamara's got one more step closer

1123
00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:24,640
Speaker 1: to being the actual goat.

1124
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:29,040
Speaker 2: Right And I would say this though, the one caveat

1125
00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:30,680
Speaker 2: to that is again, if he's trying to do this

1126
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:32,759
Speaker 2: because he knows his time is limited or whatever, and

1127
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:34,360
Speaker 2: he's just trying to see, like what needle could I

1128
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:36,040
Speaker 2: thread to get the most out of this out of

1129
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:38,439
Speaker 2: what's left, And fine, all that is totally again, say

1130
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:39,880
Speaker 2: what you want, to do what you want. I'm just saying,

1131
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:42,040
Speaker 2: if people out there are hearing this and thinking that like, yeah,

1132
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:45,640
Speaker 2: wo Usman versus Connor be competitive. No, it would not.

1133
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:48,239
Speaker 2: It would be really bad for Connor. What I would say, though,

1134
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:51,000
Speaker 2: is if he gets knocked out on the feet, that

1135
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:53,480
Speaker 2: carries a certain amount significance. But here's the thing I

1136
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:56,200
Speaker 2: do think is true BC. If he gets like taken

1137
00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:58,400
Speaker 2: down and then just brutally ground and pounded inside of

1138
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:00,759
Speaker 2: a round or two or something like that, I don't

1139
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:02,919
Speaker 2: think that does much damage to the Jake Paul fight

1140
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:04,600
Speaker 2: that's potentially there for him as well. I don't know

1141
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:06,399
Speaker 2: where Jake Paul is doing. We haven't heard from him,

1142
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:07,719
Speaker 2: you know, I don't know if he's gonna box Tommy

1143
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:08,840
Speaker 2: Fury or whatever the hell's gonna do.

1144
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:11,200
Speaker 1: It doesn't do any damage because Luke.

1145
00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:12,560
Speaker 2: Well, if he gets knocked out on the feet, I

1146
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:14,880
Speaker 2: still think that fight is big. Please don't misunderstand me.

1147
00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:17,520
Speaker 2: What I'm saying is you get taken down by a

1148
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:19,719
Speaker 2: big one seventy wrestler and you get pounded out, you

1149
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:22,120
Speaker 2: can just say, well, you know, iicarisk got too close

1150
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:22,960
Speaker 2: to the sun. Whatever.

1151
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:26,000
Speaker 1: Absolutely, I mean, if he gets one punch, if he

1152
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:28,360
Speaker 1: gets one punch like mos Vital and he's out cold.

1153
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:32,360
Speaker 1: That's a bad look. Still semi recoverable, but that's a

1154
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:35,560
Speaker 1: bad look. But Luke, I don't believe he considers submission

1155
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:39,400
Speaker 1: losses this actual losses. So in this case, Luke gassing

1156
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:41,959
Speaker 1: out is just like I didn't get the knockout in time.

1157
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:43,719
Speaker 1: Let's rematch, right, Like that's I think.

1158
00:54:44,239 --> 00:54:46,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, he seems to like genuinely believe like when I

1159
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:49,800
Speaker 2: have energy, I'm better than everyone else. Yeah, that's what matters,

1160
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:53,200
Speaker 2: Like who's the best when we all have energy. It's like, well,

1161
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:55,279
Speaker 2: that's one way to look at it, but not the

1162
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:57,480
Speaker 2: whole way to look at it. All right, be see

1163
00:54:57,560 --> 00:55:02,440
Speaker 2: last but not least, speaking of the hype trains starting

1164
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:06,839
Speaker 2: to slow Edgar Burlanga fought on top rank and at

1165
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:10,160
Speaker 2: at the Massive Square Garden Theater. I believe over the

1166
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:13,640
Speaker 2: weekend he fought Steve Roles. We talked about this on Friday. Now,

1167
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:16,279
Speaker 2: Berloga was this guy who came out sixteen first fight,

1168
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:19,239
Speaker 2: sixteen first round KOs. I mean he looked like the

1169
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:22,160
Speaker 2: next Puerto Rican star times a billion. And then in

1170
00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:26,480
Speaker 2: his last three I believe he has looked very pedestrian

1171
00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:28,920
Speaker 2: relatively speaking. Now when his last fight out the one

1172
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:30,720
Speaker 2: on Saturday, the one prior he had a biceps injury,

1173
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:32,880
Speaker 2: which he still won with. So okay, he's obviously a

1174
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:36,920
Speaker 2: tough dude and he can box a little bit. But dude,

1175
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:41,080
Speaker 2: this was to me a decision for Berlanga or Berlanga,

1176
00:55:41,160 --> 00:55:44,799
Speaker 2: and I didn't. I don't feel like that's super controversial. Dude.

1177
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:47,080
Speaker 2: He should have knocked this guy out a lot earlier,

1178
00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:50,520
Speaker 2: and Roles actually had some moments in this fight. Are

1179
00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:54,080
Speaker 2: you now off the hype train of Berloga being the

1180
00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:55,719
Speaker 2: next Puerto Rican boxing star?

1181
00:55:56,320 --> 00:55:59,120
Speaker 1: Long term? Too early to tell, but this is a

1182
00:55:59,560 --> 00:56:02,759
Speaker 1: gig antick blow to his short term momentum and the

1183
00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:05,120
Speaker 1: idea of him being a headliner. I mean, look like,

1184
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:07,680
Speaker 1: on paper, this was not a competitive matchup. Steve Rolls

1185
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:10,479
Speaker 1: is thirty seven. He only stepped up to the highest

1186
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:13,640
Speaker 1: level once and got steamrolled by Triple G. And did

1187
00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:18,240
Speaker 1: he fight defensive and just try to survive in this fight? Yeah,

1188
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:21,040
Speaker 1: he did so, and he had moments in doing that.

1189
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:25,720
Speaker 1: So this was that type of performance where there's issues.

1190
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:28,640
Speaker 1: He's twenty four. He blew those guys away. I talked

1191
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:30,480
Speaker 1: in the preview of this fight that you know, I

1192
00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:35,520
Speaker 1: just think that's gonna hinder him. That the celebrity level

1193
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:38,359
Speaker 1: he got to as a result of the first round

1194
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:42,400
Speaker 1: knockouts scheme was, you know, streak was always destined to

1195
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:44,640
Speaker 1: have a price to pay for it. Okay, you get

1196
00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:46,640
Speaker 1: Fat Joe in your corner. And by the way, it

1197
00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:49,920
Speaker 1: was hilarious, hilarious in that video. Somebody was interviewing Fat

1198
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:51,759
Speaker 1: Joe as he was walking and he was like, yes,

1199
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:56,160
Speaker 1: when Steve Roles truck triple A, she fought way more aggressive, Like,

1200
00:56:56,239 --> 00:56:59,520
Speaker 1: your excuse can't be. We didn't look great because our

1201
00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:03,520
Speaker 1: opponent was defensive and circled away. It can't be at

1202
00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:06,880
Speaker 1: this level. And Luke, the problem is they're overloading his

1203
00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:11,600
Speaker 1: circuits right now, meaning they're course correcting the two decision

1204
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:14,919
Speaker 1: wins he had after that knockout streak ended. And let's

1205
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:18,200
Speaker 1: not forget that second one. He tore his left biceps

1206
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:19,960
Speaker 1: right and fought most of that fight with that and

1207
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:22,600
Speaker 1: then needed surgery and he got dropped in that fight,

1208
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:25,840
Speaker 1: So they course corrected that so hard by overloading his corner.

1209
00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:28,680
Speaker 1: He's not only got his dad, he's got former boxer

1210
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:31,880
Speaker 1: Mickey Bay as a second assistant. He's got Kay Caroma,

1211
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:36,160
Speaker 1: who is like a stud, a technical coach, former US

1212
00:57:36,200 --> 00:57:40,440
Speaker 1: Team USA coach, like amateur backgrounds. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. He's

1213
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:42,160
Speaker 1: with a lot of pro fighters today, either as their

1214
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:45,080
Speaker 1: head trainer or as they're like consultant. And then they

1215
00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:49,520
Speaker 1: also have got you know, Rosier Andre Rosiraz like Danny

1216
00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:52,400
Speaker 1: Jacobs's uncle and trainer as like the lead guy. And

1217
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:54,880
Speaker 1: you saw in between rounds Luke and the corner dude.

1218
00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:58,480
Speaker 1: It's like three different messages coming at him. He's fighting

1219
00:57:58,680 --> 00:58:01,400
Speaker 1: like he doesn't know who he should be. They're trying

1220
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:03,080
Speaker 1: to teach him how to box. And it's not that

1221
00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:04,920
Speaker 1: he doesn't know. He was an amateur and you know

1222
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:09,080
Speaker 1: at success, but he's a puncher, Luke, and he's an

1223
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:12,880
Speaker 1: aggressive puncher, and they're trying to slow him down because

1224
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:16,560
Speaker 1: he's still early enough, and teach some of these things

1225
00:58:16,560 --> 00:58:19,840
Speaker 1: that is not of his nature to master. Would you

1226
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:21,880
Speaker 1: love him to be a well rounded of course, you

1227
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:24,040
Speaker 1: love any fighter too. Some guys never get there, by

1228
00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:26,960
Speaker 1: the way, and still are champions. Some guys get there

1229
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:30,800
Speaker 1: eventually through experience and start to round out their game.

1230
00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:33,760
Speaker 1: They're trying to put too big of a download on him,

1231
00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:35,800
Speaker 1: and I think he was unsure. You don't know what

1232
00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:38,880
Speaker 1: to do at times. His punch output was badly low.

1233
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:42,480
Speaker 1: Did he land the better shots and outclass Steve Roles

1234
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:44,880
Speaker 1: in the important moments for the most part, Yes, he

1235
00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:47,960
Speaker 1: deserves the decision to win here, but six rounds to

1236
00:58:48,040 --> 00:58:52,160
Speaker 1: four is probably the best score, Luke, and against Steve Roles, who,

1237
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:55,120
Speaker 1: dude is I'm sorry he didn't come running at you,

1238
00:58:55,160 --> 00:58:56,880
Speaker 1: but you should be able to walk this guy down.

1239
00:58:56,920 --> 00:58:59,520
Speaker 1: And by the way, again, shout out to Andre Ward

1240
00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:02,440
Speaker 1: and Timothy Bradley on that top Rank ESPN broadcast. You

1241
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:04,200
Speaker 1: may not always agree with what they say, but they

1242
00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:07,000
Speaker 1: are passionate and they are real, and they're not afraid

1243
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:10,160
Speaker 1: to call out the house fighter, right, and they did.

1244
00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:12,120
Speaker 1: They're like, look at Burlanka, not cutting off the ring,

1245
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:15,120
Speaker 1: just following this guy around. If they go forward with

1246
00:59:15,160 --> 00:59:17,520
Speaker 1: this model of him, Luke, it's broken, this mouth's broken.

1247
00:59:17,640 --> 00:59:19,720
Speaker 1: He's gonna get he's gonna get found out by somebody,

1248
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:23,800
Speaker 1: probably outboxed, right, and lose a clean decision. I think

1249
00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:25,480
Speaker 1: you just you got to go back to like, look,

1250
00:59:25,520 --> 00:59:28,200
Speaker 1: what are his strengths. He's a slugger, he's a puncher,

1251
00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:30,320
Speaker 1: and he believes in his power and he wants to

1252
00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:32,919
Speaker 1: be great, live and die with that, Luke, I don't

1253
00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:36,680
Speaker 1: need a reckless barbarian, but I need more David Benavidez

1254
00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:38,840
Speaker 1: out of this guy than I need trying to box

1255
00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:39,680
Speaker 1: from the outside.

1256
00:59:40,320 --> 00:59:42,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I basically agree with that. It's like, I'm not

1257
00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:46,480
Speaker 2: saying that there's not a case for continuing to improve

1258
00:59:47,640 --> 00:59:50,760
Speaker 2: in all our for every boxer, for all these guys,

1259
00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:54,400
Speaker 2: even Canelo. There's fine tuning working on the game, adding things,

1260
00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:57,240
Speaker 2: all the things we understand that fighters do between camps

1261
00:59:57,240 --> 00:59:59,520
Speaker 2: and over the years. But what I would say is

1262
00:59:59,560 --> 01:00:03,000
Speaker 2: that you're they have altered him in it's it's it's

1263
01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:06,640
Speaker 2: a little Johnny Walker ish. Yeah, right is where this

1264
01:00:06,720 --> 01:00:09,680
Speaker 2: guy had a very limited game where you know, it

1265
01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:12,160
Speaker 2: wasn't the best game, but the good side of it

1266
01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:15,000
Speaker 2: was overwhelming. Now they've dialed some of that back to

1267
01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:18,640
Speaker 2: improve his defense, which okay, better, but the offense is

1268
01:00:18,680 --> 01:00:21,080
Speaker 2: now muted. And the other part, BC is you know

1269
01:00:21,160 --> 01:00:22,840
Speaker 2: this as well as I do. There are two different

1270
01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:25,280
Speaker 2: kinds of fighters. Are the kinds who take advantages of openings,

1271
01:00:25,600 --> 01:00:27,920
Speaker 2: and then they're the kinds that create openings and then

1272
01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:29,960
Speaker 2: take advantage of them. And Burloanga is very much in

1273
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:32,720
Speaker 2: the former for now and not the latter. Those two

1274
01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:36,720
Speaker 2: things are not great if that's the permanent state of things.

1275
01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:38,480
Speaker 2: So either it has to get much better on this

1276
01:00:38,560 --> 01:00:41,240
Speaker 2: new path, or I think to your point, be like, listen,

1277
01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:42,920
Speaker 2: what was the thing that got us here to the dance.

1278
01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:44,880
Speaker 2: Let's just ride that as far as we can. I

1279
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:46,439
Speaker 2: don't know if that's a good idea for his brain health,

1280
01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:49,160
Speaker 2: but I mean not if.

1281
01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:50,800
Speaker 1: He's not going out there to finish guys. He's not

1282
01:00:50,840 --> 01:00:54,040
Speaker 1: a main inventor. He's not right now, and and and

1283
01:00:54,160 --> 01:00:56,440
Speaker 1: you know, I think he's I think he wants to

1284
01:00:56,480 --> 01:01:00,920
Speaker 1: smoke too badly where there's no like, you can keep

1285
01:01:00,920 --> 01:01:03,040
Speaker 1: matching him tough, but just let him be him, is

1286
01:01:03,080 --> 01:01:05,160
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. He might win, he may lose, probably

1287
01:01:05,160 --> 01:01:06,800
Speaker 1: gonna win more than he's gonna lose, Luke, because he

1288
01:01:06,840 --> 01:01:08,720
Speaker 1: does have a you know, he's I mean, it's not

1289
01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:11,760
Speaker 1: a bad boxer by any means. There was just indecision

1290
01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:14,840
Speaker 1: and lack of execution here that was, you know, and

1291
01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:18,960
Speaker 1: again you can only even at twenty four, I mean,

1292
01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:21,840
Speaker 1: he's been boxing since he was real small, Luke, So

1293
01:01:22,560 --> 01:01:26,360
Speaker 1: you still can't just alter the beast and not expect

1294
01:01:26,440 --> 01:01:28,400
Speaker 1: there to be issues from that, you know.

1295
01:01:29,200 --> 01:01:31,800
Speaker 2: Yeah. Also, I mean, I'm not around Edgar, you know,

1296
01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:36,040
Speaker 2: we don't know, but like he does seem to And

1297
01:01:36,040 --> 01:01:37,720
Speaker 2: I'm not saying he doesn't put in the work. It

1298
01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:41,120
Speaker 2: seems like he does. But the fact that you've got

1299
01:01:41,480 --> 01:01:43,480
Speaker 2: Fat Joe blowing you up, and you look at his

1300
01:01:43,520 --> 01:01:48,120
Speaker 2: Instagram and it's all like huge chains and I'm around,

1301
01:01:48,360 --> 01:01:51,400
Speaker 2: you know, Onwel Doubles and all these other guys, and

1302
01:01:51,720 --> 01:01:53,800
Speaker 2: even on the front of his trunks he was sponsored

1303
01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:58,480
Speaker 2: by a reggaeton singer. Do you think Daddy Ja seems

1304
01:01:58,520 --> 01:02:01,680
Speaker 2: to like the celebrity He likes the celebrity trappings that

1305
01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:05,080
Speaker 2: come with a side boxing so to speak. Does that

1306
01:02:05,080 --> 01:02:05,520
Speaker 2: make sense?

1307
01:02:06,520 --> 01:02:09,000
Speaker 1: Yeah? And do you think Daddy Yankey knows who he is?

1308
01:02:10,600 --> 01:02:14,480
Speaker 2: I'm certain he does. I think they Daddy Yankee visited

1309
01:02:14,560 --> 01:02:16,520
Speaker 2: him when he was training once. He put it our

1310
01:02:16,520 --> 01:02:16,919
Speaker 2: own ship.

1311
01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:20,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, dude, dude, he attracts the celebrity client tell here.

1312
01:02:20,360 --> 01:02:23,000
Speaker 2: But he had he had who am I talking about?

1313
01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:25,960
Speaker 2: He had Malo backstage? Who is that?

1314
01:02:27,080 --> 01:02:31,280
Speaker 1: I don't know, bad bunny bitch, somebody who's huge in

1315
01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:32,000
Speaker 1: your household?

1316
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:35,760
Speaker 2: I'm sure No, he took pictures. Who's another week? Puerto

1317
01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:39,360
Speaker 2: Rican music Star and now television. I saw him in Narcos.

1318
01:02:39,640 --> 01:02:41,040
Speaker 2: Bad Bunny was with him backstage two.

1319
01:02:41,160 --> 01:02:43,480
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, Bad Bunny.

1320
01:02:43,520 --> 01:02:47,160
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, w w W Superstar, Bad Bunny. That's right.

1321
01:02:47,320 --> 01:02:49,400
Speaker 2: I'm just saying there's a lot of that going on

1322
01:02:49,440 --> 01:02:52,520
Speaker 2: around him, and I'm not that's growing a lot. I'm

1323
01:02:52,560 --> 01:02:54,560
Speaker 2: not seeing the other part of the game growing. And

1324
01:02:54,600 --> 01:02:57,280
Speaker 2: Mayweather was always good about doing both, you know what

1325
01:02:57,360 --> 01:03:00,640
Speaker 2: I mean? So uh, something to keep him for the future.

1326
01:03:00,760 --> 01:03:03,280
Speaker 2: All right, that is it for our top five. Now

1327
01:03:03,320 --> 01:03:07,560
Speaker 2: it is time. Do you guys want to mention Nate

1328
01:03:07,600 --> 01:03:09,480
Speaker 2: Diaz wanting to fight on Bellator? We'll do it in

1329
01:03:09,520 --> 01:03:11,480
Speaker 2: the odds and ends. We'll do it odds and ends.

1330
01:03:11,640 --> 01:03:14,000
Speaker 2: All right. Now it's time for when the donks get

1331
01:03:14,040 --> 01:03:17,760
Speaker 2: to ask us questions. It's time for d ms from donk.

1332
01:03:19,240 --> 01:03:20,880
Speaker 1: He haw he haw.

1333
01:03:21,120 --> 01:03:24,360
Speaker 2: We put up a Instagram post every Sunday, y'all fill

1334
01:03:24,360 --> 01:03:27,000
Speaker 2: it up. The producers pick them and then we answer them.

1335
01:03:26,760 --> 01:03:30,080
Speaker 1: And y'all see, y'all's better bring your a game to

1336
01:03:30,160 --> 01:03:30,760
Speaker 1: this bitch.

1337
01:03:30,880 --> 01:03:35,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, whores all right? With Sean O'Malley and Patty pimblet

1338
01:03:35,160 --> 01:03:37,840
Speaker 2: refusing to fight top fifteen competition until they are more

1339
01:03:37,880 --> 01:03:41,920
Speaker 2: highly compensated. Could this matchmaking refusal potentially be a more

1340
01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:45,600
Speaker 2: common tactic for fighters with hype to use to gain

1341
01:03:45,680 --> 01:03:48,480
Speaker 2: leverage and contract negotiations over their respective promotions.

1342
01:03:48,480 --> 01:03:51,840
Speaker 1: What do you think, BC, Yes, as of right now,

1343
01:03:51,840 --> 01:03:53,800
Speaker 1: they've figured out. I don't want to call it a loophole,

1344
01:03:53,880 --> 01:03:56,400
Speaker 1: but it's kind of. I mean, look what Shawn O'Malley's

1345
01:03:56,400 --> 01:03:59,320
Speaker 1: doing is interesting. It's just saying I'm not gonna challenge

1346
01:03:59,360 --> 01:04:01,640
Speaker 1: myself unless you reward me for it. And oh, by

1347
01:04:01,680 --> 01:04:03,600
Speaker 1: the way, I know when my contract ends, I'm going

1348
01:04:03,680 --> 01:04:06,720
Speaker 1: to test the free market while I'm still twenty seven, right, So,

1349
01:04:06,840 --> 01:04:10,680
Speaker 1: like there is that thread in there, Luke. So could

1350
01:04:10,680 --> 01:04:14,040
Speaker 1: that leverage, you know, Lane be shot by some decision

1351
01:04:14,080 --> 01:04:17,680
Speaker 1: by the UFC or counter move. We'll see, but I

1352
01:04:17,720 --> 01:04:20,479
Speaker 1: think that's the direction we are going, Luke. A more

1353
01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:24,360
Speaker 1: a slow tell them the true false, Luke, I'm not

1354
01:04:24,400 --> 01:04:27,320
Speaker 1: predicting the erosion of UFC. I mean, if they deliver, dude,

1355
01:04:27,360 --> 01:04:30,920
Speaker 1: the numbers financially just boom, rightfully, So, Dude, this is

1356
01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:35,320
Speaker 1: a product that delivers, but a little bit of the

1357
01:04:35,360 --> 01:04:37,800
Speaker 1: old boxing way is going to start to creep in

1358
01:04:38,040 --> 01:04:40,240
Speaker 1: the more that they make some of the decisions that

1359
01:04:40,280 --> 01:04:46,080
Speaker 1: they make. Whenever you make short term financial decisions, there's

1360
01:04:46,200 --> 01:04:51,640
Speaker 1: there's typically a long term trail, you know, of change.

1361
01:04:52,320 --> 01:04:54,280
Speaker 1: It's not all it's easy to say, the more fighters

1362
01:04:54,320 --> 01:04:58,840
Speaker 1: get what they deserve matchmaking, the less control of matchmaking

1363
01:04:58,880 --> 01:05:01,720
Speaker 1: could alter the product little bit, of course. But even

1364
01:05:01,720 --> 01:05:04,320
Speaker 1: on the road there, Luke, we're seeing more of the

1365
01:05:04,360 --> 01:05:07,000
Speaker 1: boxing feel and control. I mean, we just saw Eddie

1366
01:05:07,040 --> 01:05:10,080
Speaker 1: Hern and Dana k you know, ringside like loving it

1367
01:05:10,160 --> 01:05:11,920
Speaker 1: up and trade and paint. Luke, you know what I mean.

1368
01:05:12,040 --> 01:05:16,160
Speaker 1: It's right, it's uh, it feels inevitable in that regard.

1369
01:05:16,240 --> 01:05:18,200
Speaker 2: I just I mean for fans who are in only

1370
01:05:18,200 --> 01:05:20,760
Speaker 2: been around the last few years. I cannot explain to

1371
01:05:20,760 --> 01:05:23,320
Speaker 2: you how strange this all is that MM and boxing

1372
01:05:24,040 --> 01:05:27,240
Speaker 2: are now beginning to it's still very nascent stages, even

1373
01:05:27,240 --> 01:05:30,800
Speaker 2: post Maywether McGregor. But it's like, dude, this love fest

1374
01:05:30,840 --> 01:05:35,440
Speaker 2: where the Anthony Joshua is showing up to UFC fights

1375
01:05:35,440 --> 01:05:39,320
Speaker 2: and UFC fighters are walking out, you know, Lawrence o'coley

1376
01:05:39,440 --> 01:05:42,600
Speaker 2: and all this other stuff, like this MMA boxing crossover thing.

1377
01:05:43,600 --> 01:05:48,000
Speaker 2: This was the exact opposite not too long ago, and

1378
01:05:48,040 --> 01:05:52,120
Speaker 2: this incredible melding of worlds is not in every way good,

1379
01:05:52,160 --> 01:05:54,760
Speaker 2: but in most ways pretty great. I bring us up

1380
01:05:54,760 --> 01:05:56,720
Speaker 2: to say, dude, these guys are gonna see how the

1381
01:05:56,720 --> 01:05:58,720
Speaker 2: boxing guys, even they have a different model, in different

1382
01:05:58,800 --> 01:06:02,840
Speaker 2: rules and different legislative of protections. They're gonna see how

1383
01:06:02,880 --> 01:06:06,640
Speaker 2: they structure their incentives and how they respond to them,

1384
01:06:06,640 --> 01:06:08,240
Speaker 2: and they're gonna start doing as much of that, not

1385
01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:10,200
Speaker 2: all of it, to your point, as much of that

1386
01:06:10,280 --> 01:06:13,200
Speaker 2: as they can. Here's the thing. For a guy like

1387
01:06:13,240 --> 01:06:16,200
Speaker 2: Sean O'Malley and Patty Pimblet, I don't think this will

1388
01:06:16,240 --> 01:06:18,680
Speaker 2: meaningfully change a whole lot about how much they get

1389
01:06:18,720 --> 01:06:21,400
Speaker 2: paid in the end, because there's too much control of

1390
01:06:21,440 --> 01:06:26,120
Speaker 2: the industry for management. However, you may no longer hear

1391
01:06:26,200 --> 01:06:29,360
Speaker 2: stories like this where if you talk to Gray Maynard

1392
01:06:29,560 --> 01:06:32,440
Speaker 2: and he's talking about making seventeen K for one of

1393
01:06:32,480 --> 01:06:34,680
Speaker 2: the Edgar fights, you won't see a lot of that

1394
01:06:34,800 --> 01:06:37,200
Speaker 2: from those guys. In other words, the pay doesn't go up.

1395
01:06:37,440 --> 01:06:40,200
Speaker 2: But I'm not fighting that motherfucking you know, number three,

1396
01:06:40,320 --> 01:06:44,000
Speaker 2: number two guy in the world for early pay contract.

1397
01:06:44,080 --> 01:06:46,560
Speaker 2: I'm gonna get that later on when I've had more.

1398
01:06:47,040 --> 01:06:50,280
Speaker 2: So the pay won't necessarily increase any faster, but you're

1399
01:06:50,280 --> 01:06:54,320
Speaker 2: gonna be able to run through a contract against opposition

1400
01:06:54,720 --> 01:06:56,400
Speaker 2: where you're not like, Hey, I had to fight number

1401
01:06:56,400 --> 01:06:58,240
Speaker 2: five guy in the world, and I took an enormous beating.

1402
01:06:58,240 --> 01:07:01,240
Speaker 2: Even if I got the W four K. I think

1403
01:07:01,280 --> 01:07:03,160
Speaker 2: those things might start going away.

1404
01:07:03,720 --> 01:07:05,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, all right?

1405
01:07:05,880 --> 01:07:13,040
Speaker 2: From b Nastin be Naston would period, Liberty wrote, would period?

1406
01:07:13,600 --> 01:07:16,640
Speaker 2: You rather be stuck in a football field with Tom

1407
01:07:16,680 --> 01:07:20,200
Speaker 2: Aspinall for one hour or in the octagon with Arnold

1408
01:07:20,200 --> 01:07:23,640
Speaker 2: Allen for ten minutes. Now when they say football field,

1409
01:07:23,640 --> 01:07:26,200
Speaker 2: be see do they mean soccer or do they mean

1410
01:07:26,240 --> 01:07:27,080
Speaker 2: American football?

1411
01:07:30,920 --> 01:07:34,800
Speaker 1: I mean it even if they mean soccer. The point is,

1412
01:07:35,560 --> 01:07:37,640
Speaker 1: you know, the grounds of a stadium for an hour

1413
01:07:37,800 --> 01:07:41,080
Speaker 1: trying to run away from Tom Aspinall, or surviving ten

1414
01:07:41,120 --> 01:07:43,600
Speaker 1: minutes as Arnold Allen sits on your chest and it

1415
01:07:43,840 --> 01:07:44,920
Speaker 1: just batters you.

1416
01:07:45,040 --> 01:07:50,720
Speaker 2: Luke, Can I just quit after the first minute?

1417
01:07:50,920 --> 01:07:52,600
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, can I tap?

1418
01:07:53,320 --> 01:07:55,720
Speaker 2: I mean I gotta go vape? I got this is

1419
01:07:56,000 --> 01:07:59,360
Speaker 2: this isn't pinging my ability to uh, infringing of my

1420
01:07:59,360 --> 01:08:01,400
Speaker 2: ability to go vape?

1421
01:08:01,560 --> 01:08:04,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know bj once told GSP only a bitch

1422
01:08:04,680 --> 01:08:08,480
Speaker 1: taps out on strikes, Luke, But he also didn't answer

1423
01:08:08,480 --> 01:08:13,720
Speaker 1: the bell for the last round when they fought the

1424
01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:17,200
Speaker 1: fair enough. Maybe that's why he's still handed out receipts

1425
01:08:17,200 --> 01:08:18,120
Speaker 1: at the Lava Shack.

1426
01:08:18,240 --> 01:08:22,200
Speaker 2: Luke, Okay, he's running for governor, which is yes, yes

1427
01:08:22,280 --> 01:08:28,120
Speaker 2: he is. Okay at Jake Underscore D nineteen, this could

1428
01:08:28,120 --> 01:08:31,160
Speaker 2: be our Jake. Who knows. Why isn't there more hype

1429
01:08:31,200 --> 01:08:34,479
Speaker 2: surrounding Jack Shore? You see he beat Timore Vala, dropped

1430
01:08:34,520 --> 01:08:36,439
Speaker 2: him twice in the third round. Why isn't there more

1431
01:08:36,479 --> 01:08:37,760
Speaker 2: conversation about him?

1432
01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:40,439
Speaker 1: I think there's only so many things you can buy

1433
01:08:40,479 --> 01:08:43,040
Speaker 1: from the hype store right now, and and and right now.

1434
01:08:43,040 --> 01:08:45,840
Speaker 1: There's a lot of fighters right with hype all around them,

1435
01:08:45,880 --> 01:08:47,479
Speaker 1: not just you know, most of the people on this

1436
01:08:47,600 --> 01:08:51,280
Speaker 1: UK card, which was the you know, biggest bank of

1437
01:08:51,280 --> 01:08:53,479
Speaker 1: a UFC fight night card in history for the UFC.

1438
01:08:53,600 --> 01:08:58,040
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just dude again, this opened. You heard

1439
01:08:58,120 --> 01:09:01,200
Speaker 1: Dani's voice after you saw that shit, Grinn, We're gonna

1440
01:09:01,200 --> 01:09:03,360
Speaker 1: do stadium soon, Okay, that's what Dane and Eddie you're

1441
01:09:03,400 --> 01:09:07,240
Speaker 1: talking about. You gotta believe that. So it's just the beginning, Luke,

1442
01:09:07,400 --> 01:09:09,640
Speaker 1: to where that's going right now? What the what was

1443
01:09:09,680 --> 01:09:11,360
Speaker 1: the spirit of the question again? You know I got

1444
01:09:11,400 --> 01:09:15,200
Speaker 1: off an exit, Jack sure, oh Jack short? I mean, dude,

1445
01:09:15,240 --> 01:09:17,120
Speaker 1: he was You know, you could make a case that

1446
01:09:17,200 --> 01:09:20,519
Speaker 1: he's got a case he's more impressive than then than

1447
01:09:20,520 --> 01:09:23,760
Speaker 1: some of the other fighters who are getting more uh more, Harold.

1448
01:09:23,520 --> 01:09:27,479
Speaker 2: That one moment, dude, is better than several main card winners.

1449
01:09:27,520 --> 01:09:29,680
Speaker 1: I mean, is he really the Welsh gsp Luke? I

1450
01:09:29,960 --> 01:09:32,479
Speaker 1: don't like see, I don't like when white guys wear

1451
01:09:32,560 --> 01:09:36,599
Speaker 1: those in boxing RMMA wear the skirt shorts. I don't

1452
01:09:36,600 --> 01:09:39,800
Speaker 1: know why. It just looks lame, dude, Like you can

1453
01:09:39,880 --> 01:09:42,519
Speaker 1: only wear the skirt shorts if you can pull it off. Hector,

1454
01:09:42,600 --> 01:09:46,280
Speaker 1: Macho camacho, Luke, polymelanogy.

1455
01:09:45,720 --> 01:09:47,719
Speaker 2: I have the fight here was he wearing skirt shorts?

1456
01:09:47,840 --> 01:09:51,000
Speaker 1: He was wearing those moy Are they multiped ones or no?

1457
01:09:51,040 --> 01:09:52,559
Speaker 1: They're like the tie he was rare.

1458
01:09:52,800 --> 01:09:54,920
Speaker 2: He was wearing the board shorts. But he just did

1459
01:09:54,920 --> 01:09:56,400
Speaker 2: the bit where they cut him up the seat.

1460
01:09:56,560 --> 01:09:59,519
Speaker 1: Yes, side, dude, I can't take fighters seriously winning that

1461
01:09:59,560 --> 01:10:01,960
Speaker 1: and it's not There haven't been a many fighters who

1462
01:10:01,960 --> 01:10:04,120
Speaker 1: will knock you the fuck out while wearing that and

1463
01:10:04,120 --> 01:10:06,800
Speaker 1: that's cool, but I can't take them seriously, Luke. Okay,

1464
01:10:06,840 --> 01:10:10,000
Speaker 1: outside of that, he's got poised, he seems to have execution,

1465
01:10:10,320 --> 01:10:11,880
Speaker 1: He had a you know, he had a fight through

1466
01:10:11,920 --> 01:10:14,840
Speaker 1: this win here too. Why is he not getting the

1467
01:10:14,880 --> 01:10:17,240
Speaker 1: next level of attention? I just think there's a dude,

1468
01:10:17,960 --> 01:10:20,200
Speaker 1: say it right now, Luke. There is the most amount

1469
01:10:20,240 --> 01:10:24,679
Speaker 1: of potential future star and champions than I ever remember

1470
01:10:24,680 --> 01:10:26,559
Speaker 1: there being, and a lot of that is because of

1471
01:10:26,640 --> 01:10:30,599
Speaker 1: Dalgastan in the associated area, of course, But dude, I

1472
01:10:30,640 --> 01:10:32,920
Speaker 1: feel like everyone under the age of twenty six right

1473
01:10:32,960 --> 01:10:33,880
Speaker 1: now is coming on Luke.

1474
01:10:35,479 --> 01:10:38,439
Speaker 2: I think that the reason why he hasn't gotten as

1475
01:10:38,520 --> 01:10:42,880
Speaker 2: much praise is because one he's in a division where

1476
01:10:43,560 --> 01:10:45,840
Speaker 2: you know, bansamweight. It's like, is Jack Shore good? Yeah,

1477
01:10:45,840 --> 01:10:49,520
Speaker 2: he's really good, but Bansomwaight is just a fucking murderer's

1478
01:10:49,560 --> 01:10:51,840
Speaker 2: row at the point at the moment. So you got

1479
01:10:51,880 --> 01:10:54,439
Speaker 2: to really start beating some name opponents in that division

1480
01:10:54,479 --> 01:10:57,479
Speaker 2: before people start paying attention. Also, this wasn't the Jack

1481
01:10:57,560 --> 01:11:01,320
Speaker 2: Shore show. This was the Patty Show, the Tom Aspinall Show,

1482
01:11:01,400 --> 01:11:03,880
Speaker 2: something of a Liverpool show with Molly McCann as well.

1483
01:11:04,400 --> 01:11:07,040
Speaker 2: You know, this was this was a card designed to

1484
01:11:07,080 --> 01:11:10,320
Speaker 2: promote the interests of other fighters his two, but just

1485
01:11:10,400 --> 01:11:12,720
Speaker 2: not in the same kind of way. So yeah, he just.

1486
01:11:13,040 --> 01:11:15,640
Speaker 1: As I said, the Hype Sure, the Hype store was

1487
01:11:15,640 --> 01:11:17,560
Speaker 1: sold out. If you're looking for the Jerk store to

1488
01:11:17,600 --> 01:11:18,960
Speaker 1: around the corner. Asked for Luke.

1489
01:11:19,400 --> 01:11:23,439
Speaker 2: You know, I'm not only a fan member of the

1490
01:11:23,439 --> 01:11:26,280
Speaker 2: fan club, I'm also a president. But in all serious

1491
01:11:26,280 --> 01:11:28,080
Speaker 2: this BC, I do think this. I watched the tap

1492
01:11:28,160 --> 01:11:31,080
Speaker 2: on him. We're going to include him for extra credit. Dude,

1493
01:11:31,080 --> 01:11:34,360
Speaker 2: he he's better than a lot of people on that

1494
01:11:34,400 --> 01:11:39,200
Speaker 2: main card, A lot of people. H Molly McCann, her Win,

1495
01:11:39,320 --> 01:11:41,240
Speaker 2: we'll talk about this on extra credit. Her Win is.

1496
01:11:41,280 --> 01:11:44,639
Speaker 2: I talked to the guy behind MMA Rising, Robert Sargent,

1497
01:11:44,680 --> 01:11:47,760
Speaker 2: who's been following almost exclusively Women's MMA for the no

1498
01:11:47,960 --> 01:11:50,160
Speaker 2: longer than anybody else I know, and I asked him, like,

1499
01:11:50,160 --> 01:11:53,320
Speaker 2: where does that that knockout rank among all time Women's

1500
01:11:53,360 --> 01:11:55,400
Speaker 2: MMA knockouts? He said, it has a case for number one,

1501
01:11:55,720 --> 01:11:58,880
Speaker 2: at well, at worst number three. But the point I'm

1502
01:11:58,920 --> 01:12:01,880
Speaker 2: trying to make here is what Jack Shore did against

1503
01:12:01,920 --> 01:12:04,960
Speaker 2: an opponent the quality of Valayev, because Valiev is a

1504
01:12:05,400 --> 01:12:09,920
Speaker 2: significantly did more difficult challenge than Carolina as good as

1505
01:12:09,920 --> 01:12:13,280
Speaker 2: her knockout was again one of the literally literally historic

1506
01:12:13,760 --> 01:12:16,800
Speaker 2: literally a historic knockout. I still think Jack Short to

1507
01:12:16,840 --> 01:12:18,400
Speaker 2: me stands out a little bit more in terms of

1508
01:12:18,439 --> 01:12:22,360
Speaker 2: his upside because he has so many things dialed in.

1509
01:12:22,400 --> 01:12:25,240
Speaker 2: From a fundamental standpoint, I really believe he can do

1510
01:12:25,280 --> 01:12:25,800
Speaker 2: special things.

1511
01:12:25,840 --> 01:12:28,920
Speaker 1: If he just changes the short, the short patterns, He's

1512
01:12:28,960 --> 01:12:30,880
Speaker 1: going to go to the top. Without question, Luke, what

1513
01:12:30,920 --> 01:12:33,240
Speaker 1: do you put in that conversation quickly of the greatest

1514
01:12:33,280 --> 01:12:36,160
Speaker 1: female knockers of all time? Are you putting Androge versus

1515
01:12:36,240 --> 01:12:40,320
Speaker 1: cal vol Keevich? Are you putting Rose versus Wayley? Are

1516
01:12:40,320 --> 01:12:43,720
Speaker 1: you putting Holme Rousey? What about that Irene Aldana one?

1517
01:12:43,760 --> 01:12:44,479
Speaker 1: What do you got, Luke?

1518
01:12:45,160 --> 01:12:49,320
Speaker 2: I think Holme Rousey is on there, Holly Holm taking on.

1519
01:12:49,720 --> 01:12:53,080
Speaker 2: Who was it this song from el Cha No, no, no,

1520
01:12:54,200 --> 01:12:57,519
Speaker 2: not Shana Dobson, but I forget her name. That's a

1521
01:12:57,520 --> 01:13:00,680
Speaker 2: great one he had. He has the biggest one from

1522
01:13:00,720 --> 01:13:04,599
Speaker 2: Hissei Watsonabi in Japan. And the point about hers was

1523
01:13:04,720 --> 01:13:07,320
Speaker 2: it wasn't a back elbow, it was a punch, and

1524
01:13:07,360 --> 01:13:09,880
Speaker 2: it was so bad that after thirty minutes they still

1525
01:13:09,880 --> 01:13:11,800
Speaker 2: had trouble getting her out of the ring like it

1526
01:13:11,880 --> 01:13:14,000
Speaker 2: was a one of the most most vicious knockouts you've

1527
01:13:14,000 --> 01:13:15,840
Speaker 2: ever seen in your life. So the point being is

1528
01:13:15,880 --> 01:13:19,120
Speaker 2: you can kind of play with it. But certainly McCann

1529
01:13:19,200 --> 01:13:21,559
Speaker 2: is in the running for number one with a knockout

1530
01:13:21,560 --> 01:13:23,760
Speaker 2: like that, and we should be celebrated. But I'm just

1531
01:13:23,760 --> 01:13:27,599
Speaker 2: saying with Jack Shore, do Jack shure his listen. Everyone

1532
01:13:27,720 --> 01:13:30,519
Speaker 2: wants the big explosion into the UFC, and some guys

1533
01:13:30,520 --> 01:13:34,720
Speaker 2: are built for that, but in reality, on balance, the

1534
01:13:34,760 --> 01:13:39,040
Speaker 2: best approach is the quiet step through to get good

1535
01:13:39,040 --> 01:13:41,839
Speaker 2: wins over quality opponents. Build your game in your twenties,

1536
01:13:41,920 --> 01:13:44,000
Speaker 2: so by the time you're thirty, that's when you can

1537
01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:46,760
Speaker 2: make a serious title serious title push, or.

1538
01:13:47,120 --> 01:13:48,799
Speaker 1: In our cases, by the time we're in our forties,

1539
01:13:48,840 --> 01:13:50,599
Speaker 1: Luke will finally make in the real money.

1540
01:13:51,400 --> 01:13:58,040
Speaker 2: Yes from Dollin M. Johnson. Good question, where does this

1541
01:13:58,080 --> 01:14:01,439
Speaker 2: weekend's card rank all time BC? For sure, it's the

1542
01:14:01,439 --> 01:14:04,240
Speaker 2: best fight night ever, that is without to me any

1543
01:14:04,360 --> 01:14:07,280
Speaker 2: question at all. So where does it rank among paper

1544
01:14:07,320 --> 01:14:08,080
Speaker 2: fight nights?

1545
01:14:08,200 --> 01:14:10,400
Speaker 1: Used? There used to be a little more levels Now

1546
01:14:10,479 --> 01:14:12,360
Speaker 1: anything that's not a pay per views a fight night, right,

1547
01:14:12,800 --> 01:14:16,400
Speaker 1: but the quarterly Fox cards used to really mean something

1548
01:14:16,520 --> 01:14:19,120
Speaker 1: Luke that they were in the in between, would you say,

1549
01:14:19,160 --> 01:14:21,559
Speaker 1: I mean, that's Fight Night plus And there were some

1550
01:14:21,720 --> 01:14:23,200
Speaker 1: great ones, dude.

1551
01:14:24,040 --> 01:14:26,000
Speaker 2: Kane versus JDS was the first one which also had

1552
01:14:26,080 --> 01:14:28,000
Speaker 2: Jim Miller, Benson Henderson, I mean had some good stuff.

1553
01:14:28,040 --> 01:14:30,519
Speaker 1: I mean, dude, in terms of just Mane and Comaine, Like,

1554
01:14:30,560 --> 01:14:33,479
Speaker 1: there were some really good Fox cards where you're like, dude,

1555
01:14:33,520 --> 01:14:36,479
Speaker 1: that's a pay per view, Holy shit. So was this

1556
01:14:36,720 --> 01:14:41,000
Speaker 1: better than that? Maybe not? Maybe not, but you could

1557
01:14:41,120 --> 01:14:43,760
Speaker 1: argue it is on energy. You could argue it is

1558
01:14:43,880 --> 01:14:48,920
Speaker 1: on people with big personalities having monster breakthrough moments, which

1559
01:14:48,960 --> 01:14:51,040
Speaker 1: is great, you know, the celebrities. I mean, yeah, it

1560
01:14:51,080 --> 01:14:53,960
Speaker 1: was pretty damn close, Luke. Financially it was insane what

1561
01:14:54,000 --> 01:14:55,719
Speaker 1: they did. Yeah.

1562
01:14:55,840 --> 01:14:57,679
Speaker 2: Is it the best? I think? Is it the best

1563
01:14:57,720 --> 01:14:59,840
Speaker 2: British UFC card of all time? I think you could

1564
01:14:59,840 --> 01:15:00,280
Speaker 2: say that.

1565
01:15:01,760 --> 01:15:03,679
Speaker 1: What have we had there? How many pay per views

1566
01:15:03,720 --> 01:15:07,360
Speaker 1: have been there? Is it just Henderson versus Bisping two

1567
01:15:07,640 --> 01:15:09,599
Speaker 1: UFC two O four? Is that the only pay per view?

1568
01:15:09,840 --> 01:15:15,800
Speaker 2: Well? Yeah, so so there's Hughes Newton was there as well.

1569
01:15:16,160 --> 01:15:17,640
Speaker 2: I'm not sure. I'm not sure all the ones that

1570
01:15:17,640 --> 01:15:19,600
Speaker 2: they've had there to be candid with you, but I

1571
01:15:19,640 --> 01:15:22,160
Speaker 2: went to Tapology. Here's their ranking of the top ten.

1572
01:15:22,920 --> 01:15:25,400
Speaker 2: Now this is best MMA events all time. So there's

1573
01:15:25,400 --> 01:15:27,479
Speaker 2: a couple of Prides on there, and I'm just gonna

1574
01:15:27,479 --> 01:15:29,759
Speaker 2: read you what they have. Number one, they have UFC

1575
01:15:29,800 --> 01:15:32,679
Speaker 2: one hundred, number two. They have the very first Ultimate

1576
01:15:32,720 --> 01:15:35,280
Speaker 2: Fighter Finale, so Ultimate Fighter one back in April of

1577
01:15:35,280 --> 01:15:38,559
Speaker 2: two thousand and five. They've got some McGregor cards on here.

1578
01:15:38,560 --> 01:15:42,400
Speaker 2: One nine Mendez McGregor, UFC one is number four, UFC

1579
01:15:42,520 --> 01:15:45,040
Speaker 2: two O five Alvarez McGregor is number five, and that

1580
01:15:45,160 --> 01:15:46,559
Speaker 2: was a killer card.

1581
01:15:46,720 --> 01:15:49,360
Speaker 1: Gimme me UFC two seventeen, Luke, gimme it all right,

1582
01:15:49,479 --> 01:15:49,840
Speaker 1: give me.

1583
01:15:49,760 --> 01:15:52,400
Speaker 2: That, hey, UFC two seventeen sitting at number seven. Number

1584
01:15:52,439 --> 01:15:54,960
Speaker 2: six is UFC one thirty nine, which was Shogun versus Henderson.

1585
01:15:55,000 --> 01:15:57,960
Speaker 2: Another crazy card. Eight was Pride Second Coming. That was

1586
01:15:58,000 --> 01:16:00,679
Speaker 2: the card where uh Tekenroy Gomi got Go Go plotted

1587
01:16:00,720 --> 01:16:04,640
Speaker 2: by Nick Diaz. Nine UFC one seventeen Silversanic and then

1588
01:16:04,720 --> 01:16:08,160
Speaker 2: ten UFC two O two DZ versus McGregor two. Does

1589
01:16:08,200 --> 01:16:10,680
Speaker 2: it fit among those depends on your preferences, But I'm

1590
01:16:10,720 --> 01:16:12,720
Speaker 2: gonna say best fighting out of all time, best UK

1591
01:16:12,880 --> 01:16:14,880
Speaker 2: UFC card of all time probably.

1592
01:16:14,640 --> 01:16:17,439
Speaker 1: Luke, you know what that list was mixing UFC one

1593
01:16:17,520 --> 01:16:22,880
Speaker 1: sixteen brock Carwin do That main card was Balls Bonanza.

1594
01:16:22,920 --> 01:16:26,400
Speaker 2: It was awesome. That was awesome, awesome. Yes, yes, there's

1595
01:16:26,400 --> 01:16:28,000
Speaker 2: a bunch of good ones that are on that list

1596
01:16:28,040 --> 01:16:31,200
Speaker 2: all right. Last, but not least, BC Eddie A. Johnson asks,

1597
01:16:31,680 --> 01:16:34,680
Speaker 2: have either of you seen the show Yellow Jackets? I

1598
01:16:34,680 --> 01:16:37,920
Speaker 2: got showtime with the MK promo. Thank you found Yellow

1599
01:16:38,000 --> 01:16:40,679
Speaker 2: Jackets and it's amazing. If you haven't watched it yet,

1600
01:16:41,439 --> 01:16:43,880
Speaker 2: check it out. Also, UFC London was the best UFC

1601
01:16:43,960 --> 01:16:45,840
Speaker 2: card in a long time. For a moment, it reminded

1602
01:16:45,880 --> 01:16:47,560
Speaker 2: me of all the things I love about MMA and

1603
01:16:47,640 --> 01:16:49,760
Speaker 2: helped me forget there's so much I hate.

1604
01:16:51,600 --> 01:16:53,559
Speaker 1: Look, did you write that? Is that your pen name?

1605
01:16:53,640 --> 01:16:55,840
Speaker 2: Yeah? I know, I know, I know, I know it

1606
01:16:55,880 --> 01:16:57,439
Speaker 2: sounds like me, but no, it wasn't. Have you seen

1607
01:16:57,520 --> 01:16:58,760
Speaker 2: Yellow Jackets Specie?

1608
01:16:58,920 --> 01:17:01,559
Speaker 1: No, But every single person that has asked me if

1609
01:17:01,600 --> 01:17:04,200
Speaker 1: I've seen it has followed with, oh my god, it's

1610
01:17:04,240 --> 01:17:06,880
Speaker 1: amazing and the premise looks pretty interesting. Luke, have you

1611
01:17:06,920 --> 01:17:07,519
Speaker 1: heard about it?

1612
01:17:08,120 --> 01:17:11,040
Speaker 2: I've not, dude, I don't. I finally watched The New

1613
01:17:11,080 --> 01:17:13,120
Speaker 2: Spider Man movie that's been in theaters for seven and

1614
01:17:13,160 --> 01:17:15,400
Speaker 2: a half years and just now came home to streaming.

1615
01:17:16,280 --> 01:17:18,000
Speaker 2: I watched that over the weekend. That was my one

1616
01:17:18,000 --> 01:17:20,400
Speaker 2: little treat for myself. It was actually pretty good for

1617
01:17:20,439 --> 01:17:22,000
Speaker 2: a Spider Man. I'm not a big Spider Man guy,

1618
01:17:22,040 --> 01:17:23,360
Speaker 2: but that was pretty good. I enjoy it.

1619
01:17:23,439 --> 01:17:24,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't. I don't mess around with that Spider

1620
01:17:25,000 --> 01:17:26,000
Speaker 1: Man bullshit. Luke.

1621
01:17:26,080 --> 01:17:29,519
Speaker 2: All right, all right, yeah too busy hunting you and

1622
01:17:29,600 --> 01:17:30,200
Speaker 2: Bryce Mitchell.

1623
01:17:31,800 --> 01:17:35,720
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yellow Jackets, Luke, is about a it's about a

1624
01:17:35,960 --> 01:17:38,360
Speaker 1: uh yeah, it looks really good, but.

1625
01:17:38,240 --> 01:17:40,120
Speaker 2: It's about a forty three year old man from Connecticut

1626
01:17:40,120 --> 01:17:41,000
Speaker 2: who stutters on air.

1627
01:17:42,680 --> 01:17:45,000
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's about a high school soccer team where the

1628
01:17:45,000 --> 01:17:47,599
Speaker 1: plane crashes and the deep wilderness Luke and the team

1629
01:17:47,640 --> 01:17:50,920
Speaker 1: members have to survive for nineteen months and it goes uh,

1630
01:17:51,280 --> 01:17:54,320
Speaker 1: it goes wild. So yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna watch it,

1631
01:17:54,360 --> 01:17:56,639
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna get back to you, Luke. Also real quick, Luke,

1632
01:17:56,880 --> 01:17:59,200
Speaker 1: I think we can call this an early dead wrong.

1633
01:17:59,520 --> 01:18:01,679
Speaker 1: This man was so passionate that I got to shout

1634
01:18:01,760 --> 01:18:06,040
Speaker 1: him out. His name is Georgie ge Orgy with a G.

1635
01:18:06,040 --> 01:18:10,760
Speaker 1: Georgie mat de viv and he told me, please read

1636
01:18:10,760 --> 01:18:12,519
Speaker 1: this on the air and tell Luke to go f

1637
01:18:12,640 --> 01:18:17,559
Speaker 1: himself Looke. This comes from an MPR story written in

1638
01:18:17,600 --> 01:18:22,400
Speaker 1: twenty twenty, and the quote is Spaniards are technically considered

1639
01:18:22,520 --> 01:18:26,040
Speaker 1: Hispanic by the US Census Bureau, which defines the term

1640
01:18:26,320 --> 01:18:28,559
Speaker 1: as a person of Cuban, Mexican for Riecans, South or

1641
01:18:28,560 --> 01:18:34,400
Speaker 1: Central American, or other Spanish culture or origin, regardless of recee.

1642
01:18:34,800 --> 01:18:37,120
Speaker 2: Are you reading this to me because you didn't listen

1643
01:18:37,200 --> 01:18:38,960
Speaker 2: to a word I said the first time, because that's

1644
01:18:38,960 --> 01:18:40,400
Speaker 2: what it sounds like you're saying to me.

1645
01:18:40,880 --> 01:18:44,240
Speaker 1: So you're saying that I'm a defense for somebody.

1646
01:18:46,280 --> 01:18:49,880
Speaker 2: Stop stop, stop, stop. Let me say the argument one

1647
01:18:49,920 --> 01:18:52,639
Speaker 2: more time, since you clearly did not listen the first time. Okay,

1648
01:18:52,680 --> 01:18:57,559
Speaker 2: The argument I made was not that there is that

1649
01:18:57,560 --> 01:19:00,599
Speaker 2: that someone from those places is not considered his That

1650
01:19:00,760 --> 01:19:02,960
Speaker 2: was my point. And if you want to call someone

1651
01:19:02,960 --> 01:19:05,479
Speaker 2: from Spain Hispanic, you could because it fits to a

1652
01:19:05,560 --> 01:19:08,439
Speaker 2: larger profile. The point I'm trying to make is you

1653
01:19:08,520 --> 01:19:12,840
Speaker 2: cannot call Dominican Republic, Mexican, Puerto Rican, Venezuelan club. You

1654
01:19:12,920 --> 01:19:17,880
Speaker 2: cannot call that Spanish culture. It has Spanish influences. It

1655
01:19:17,920 --> 01:19:20,760
Speaker 2: is not Spanish culture. It is in fact quite distinct

1656
01:19:20,960 --> 01:19:23,599
Speaker 2: from them. That is the point that I am trying

1657
01:19:23,640 --> 01:19:26,280
Speaker 2: to make. Do you understand that? You know?

1658
01:19:26,439 --> 01:19:28,760
Speaker 1: I mean, we could argue whether I understand it, Luke.

1659
01:19:28,800 --> 01:19:31,040
Speaker 1: Did I you know, as a defense attorney, did I

1660
01:19:31,120 --> 01:19:33,800
Speaker 1: take on a client that I didn't really ask whether

1661
01:19:33,840 --> 01:19:35,759
Speaker 1: he did the crime or not? Luke, he just offered

1662
01:19:35,760 --> 01:19:37,760
Speaker 1: an opportunity to send you to Hell, and I said,

1663
01:19:37,800 --> 01:19:40,720
Speaker 1: I'll be a representative to take you there. Yes, I'll

1664
01:19:40,760 --> 01:19:41,040
Speaker 1: be here.

1665
01:19:41,320 --> 01:19:45,360
Speaker 2: I have this weird thing where everyone thinks they're a

1666
01:19:45,360 --> 01:19:49,000
Speaker 2: worthy adversary, and every time they don't listen to what

1667
01:19:49,040 --> 01:19:53,879
Speaker 2: I am saying. There is a broad distinction between cultures

1668
01:19:53,920 --> 01:19:56,439
Speaker 2: that are united by Spanish speaking. There is a lot

1669
01:19:56,439 --> 01:19:59,160
Speaker 2: of things that behind them, but Catholic religion, the language,

1670
01:19:59,160 --> 01:20:02,040
Speaker 2: some other things as well, but they are entirely distinct.

1671
01:20:02,040 --> 01:20:03,960
Speaker 2: You might be able to classify that as a broader

1672
01:20:04,000 --> 01:20:06,600
Speaker 2: Hispanic thing. By the way, there's also different between Hispanics

1673
01:20:06,640 --> 01:20:09,160
Speaker 2: and Latinos. Are there, They're broad overlap. There's actually a

1674
01:20:09,160 --> 01:20:13,760
Speaker 2: difference between them as well. So so if you want

1675
01:20:13,840 --> 01:20:16,920
Speaker 2: to suggest that it fits some census definition, fine, but

1676
01:20:16,920 --> 01:20:19,759
Speaker 2: they are culturally quite distinct, quite distinct.

1677
01:20:20,080 --> 01:20:23,760
Speaker 1: I enjoy the upper bound limits of your William and

1678
01:20:23,800 --> 01:20:28,639
Speaker 1: Marry educational vocabulary, Luke, including broad overlap, which is something

1679
01:20:28,680 --> 01:20:30,400
Speaker 1: I'd really like to try, Luke, if you know what

1680
01:20:30,400 --> 01:20:36,439
Speaker 1: I mean? Right, all right, you want to get into

1681
01:20:36,439 --> 01:20:37,519
Speaker 1: the ship, Luke, Let's do it.

1682
01:20:37,600 --> 01:20:39,200
Speaker 2: Let's get into your ship. Yeah.

1683
01:20:39,280 --> 01:20:41,920
Speaker 1: We scour the globe for the highs and lows, the good,

1684
01:20:41,920 --> 01:20:44,320
Speaker 1: the bad, the ugly, the inn be between, and the

1685
01:20:44,360 --> 01:20:48,200
Speaker 1: worlds of combat sports and beyond. This one's called Have

1686
01:20:48,280 --> 01:20:54,280
Speaker 1: you seen this shit? Luke? You might be talking about

1687
01:20:54,360 --> 01:20:57,240
Speaker 1: Meatball Molly McCann on extra credit, but you're gonna be

1688
01:20:57,280 --> 01:21:00,960
Speaker 1: watching Molly McCann's big weekend here, because you could argue,

1689
01:21:01,280 --> 01:21:05,200
Speaker 1: although Aspinall's limits are bigger in the rankings than anyone

1690
01:21:05,240 --> 01:21:08,240
Speaker 1: on this card arguably, and although Patty pimblet ceiling is

1691
01:21:08,280 --> 01:21:12,000
Speaker 1: bigger commercially than anybody on this card, who the hell

1692
01:21:12,040 --> 01:21:15,880
Speaker 1: made a bigger leap on Saturday in public consciousness than

1693
01:21:16,600 --> 01:21:19,600
Speaker 1: journey Woman Meetball Molly McCann, Luke, who didn't look like

1694
01:21:19,640 --> 01:21:23,080
Speaker 1: that in round one against Luana Carolino when she emptied

1695
01:21:23,080 --> 01:21:25,160
Speaker 1: the tank and nearly knocked her out. Here's a slam

1696
01:21:25,280 --> 01:21:29,559
Speaker 1: Luke early or late in round two. Holy shit, Luke. Right,

1697
01:21:29,720 --> 01:21:32,559
Speaker 1: that's like a sixty nine slam or a ninety six.

1698
01:21:32,640 --> 01:21:39,000
Speaker 2: Right. I don't know that's ah, don't you still have

1699
01:21:39,080 --> 01:21:41,160
Speaker 2: to be facing each other for that. I don't know

1700
01:21:41,160 --> 01:21:44,000
Speaker 2: what this is, but she was I'll say this, Molly

1701
01:21:44,080 --> 01:21:46,120
Speaker 2: McCann as strong as fuck.

1702
01:21:46,280 --> 01:21:49,840
Speaker 1: Well, Luke. She admitted she looked insanely good in round

1703
01:21:49,840 --> 01:21:51,840
Speaker 1: one and then was kind of playing catch up in

1704
01:21:51,880 --> 01:21:54,439
Speaker 1: two and three, but it didn't stop her from delivering

1705
01:21:54,439 --> 01:21:58,679
Speaker 1: this Luke after eating a bunch of strikes. Good lord,

1706
01:21:59,040 --> 01:22:02,600
Speaker 1: that needs to be in that teenage wasteland Baba O'Reilly,

1707
01:22:02,640 --> 01:22:05,400
Speaker 1: the who you know before the pay per view main

1708
01:22:05,479 --> 01:22:07,720
Speaker 1: card music video that they do Luke. It's got to

1709
01:22:07,760 --> 01:22:10,439
Speaker 1: be in there now. It's insane. What a frickin' moment.

1710
01:22:11,000 --> 01:22:14,639
Speaker 2: It's one of the best knockouts here you'll ever see. Truly, truly,

1711
01:22:15,000 --> 01:22:17,480
Speaker 2: I mean perfect, perfect, perfect.

1712
01:22:17,600 --> 01:22:21,600
Speaker 1: By being Patty Pimblet's sidekicking away and taking on that

1713
01:22:21,680 --> 01:22:24,599
Speaker 1: responsibility and chearing for him cage side both of his fights,

1714
01:22:24,600 --> 01:22:27,640
Speaker 1: like she's become this mascot of sorts, and then to

1715
01:22:27,760 --> 01:22:31,160
Speaker 1: deliver this Luke commercially. It's like she's gonna go places

1716
01:22:31,320 --> 01:22:33,599
Speaker 1: she may not deserve to be. She's gonna be part

1717
01:22:33,640 --> 01:22:36,360
Speaker 1: of this hype train. Luke, Okay, it's fun to watch.

1718
01:22:37,360 --> 01:22:40,280
Speaker 1: That's the spinning backfist from hell. Here's the post fight

1719
01:22:40,400 --> 01:22:47,760
Speaker 1: dance moves, Luke, your thoughts.

1720
01:22:44,640 --> 01:22:48,240
Speaker 2: Sort of like a Serena Williams crip walk but not quite.

1721
01:22:48,439 --> 01:22:50,960
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, I mean I appreciate the effort and the

1722
01:22:50,960 --> 01:22:53,519
Speaker 1: passion as well. Let's keep it going here, Luke. While

1723
01:22:53,520 --> 01:22:56,920
Speaker 1: walking back, she made one with the Liverpool crowd just

1724
01:22:57,040 --> 01:22:57,640
Speaker 1: dousing her.

1725
01:22:57,720 --> 01:23:02,720
Speaker 2: Luke, I saw several people in this event like either

1726
01:23:02,840 --> 01:23:04,519
Speaker 2: jump into the not jump into the crowd, but like

1727
01:23:04,560 --> 01:23:06,919
Speaker 2: you know, there are various moments where they were interacting

1728
01:23:06,920 --> 01:23:09,280
Speaker 2: with the crowd, and every time someone from the crowd

1729
01:23:09,360 --> 01:23:12,880
Speaker 2: was trying to hand them a beer. Every single time,

1730
01:23:13,400 --> 01:23:15,759
Speaker 2: I was like, dude, I got a party with these people. Jesus.

1731
01:23:16,200 --> 01:23:19,680
Speaker 1: Later, Luke, Molly would appear cage side for Patty Pimblet's

1732
01:23:19,720 --> 01:23:22,799
Speaker 1: Big Ko and dude, she even made it in the cage.

1733
01:23:22,840 --> 01:23:24,680
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. Look, have you ever seen a

1734
01:23:24,800 --> 01:23:28,200
Speaker 1: secondary person. I know Darren Till did this with aspinall

1735
01:23:28,280 --> 01:23:30,760
Speaker 1: to close the card, but a secondary person get the

1736
01:23:30,800 --> 01:23:31,920
Speaker 1: top of the cage treatment.

1737
01:23:33,880 --> 01:23:36,000
Speaker 2: Connor McGregor tried that one time a bellator.

1738
01:23:36,240 --> 01:23:38,840
Speaker 1: Oh yeah he did. Yeah, it's a kN Luke. Do

1739
01:23:38,840 --> 01:23:40,880
Speaker 1: you remember when the Bears won Super Bowl twenty over

1740
01:23:40,920 --> 01:23:43,520
Speaker 1: the New England Patriots and Buddy Ryan, the defensive coordinator,

1741
01:23:43,640 --> 01:23:46,519
Speaker 1: got carried on the shoulders just like Mike Dicko of

1742
01:23:46,320 --> 01:23:49,559
Speaker 1: the of the players. Luke, all right, that's her Buddy

1743
01:23:49,640 --> 01:23:55,000
Speaker 1: Ryan moment. Okay, bear feet style like Rex Ryan likes it. Okay, Luke.

1744
01:23:55,800 --> 01:24:00,280
Speaker 1: Also a big celebrity hug backstage, celebratory and.

1745
01:24:00,320 --> 01:24:03,439
Speaker 2: Celebrity we were DC United Starne.

1746
01:24:03,680 --> 01:24:06,639
Speaker 1: Footy legend Wayne Rooney gets the hog here on both

1747
01:24:06,680 --> 01:24:11,960
Speaker 1: of these incredible UK performers, Luke. And also, that's it

1748
01:24:12,080 --> 01:24:12,680
Speaker 1: connection here.

1749
01:24:12,720 --> 01:24:14,960
Speaker 2: The connection here is they're all from Liverpool.

1750
01:24:14,760 --> 01:24:18,560
Speaker 1: Exactly, and the accent's awesome and the Molly mccantsho is

1751
01:24:18,560 --> 01:24:19,960
Speaker 1: going to keep rolling. The meat ball is going to

1752
01:24:20,040 --> 01:24:23,000
Speaker 1: keep rolling, Luke. Okay, let's keep it going around the world.

1753
01:24:23,000 --> 01:24:25,840
Speaker 1: How about Risen thirty four from Japan rising if you will,

1754
01:24:26,160 --> 01:24:35,760
Speaker 1: Kasha hoa, oh Yuki, Kasha haa. Louke, Wow, that man

1755
01:24:35,800 --> 01:24:37,360
Speaker 1: all that.

1756
01:24:37,479 --> 01:24:40,920
Speaker 2: Is fing o.

1757
01:24:41,800 --> 01:24:44,320
Speaker 1: I think Michael Bisping's other eye just fell out after

1758
01:24:44,360 --> 01:24:47,360
Speaker 1: watching that. Luke, that's wow. All right, let's go to

1759
01:24:47,400 --> 01:24:51,080
Speaker 1: the NCAA Wrestling champions It's all Gable Stevenson content from

1760
01:24:51,120 --> 01:24:55,000
Speaker 1: here on out. Luke the stud from the University of

1761
01:24:55,040 --> 01:24:58,679
Speaker 1: Minnesota won his second straight national championship, a six two

1762
01:24:58,720 --> 01:25:02,680
Speaker 1: victory over Arizona State Colton Schultz, and then, as is

1763
01:25:02,760 --> 01:25:07,240
Speaker 1: the fashion, Luke retired amateurly by putting his shoes out

1764
01:25:07,240 --> 01:25:10,280
Speaker 1: there in the middle and it's onto the wwe Luke

1765
01:25:10,320 --> 01:25:10,839
Speaker 1: your thoughts.

1766
01:25:12,680 --> 01:25:15,719
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not sure exactly what his eligibility rules

1767
01:25:15,720 --> 01:25:18,760
Speaker 2: were like, but I think what happened was he went

1768
01:25:18,800 --> 01:25:22,000
Speaker 2: to the Olympics between his junior and senior year and

1769
01:25:22,080 --> 01:25:24,160
Speaker 2: won a gold medal, and then came back and won

1770
01:25:24,200 --> 01:25:26,920
Speaker 2: another national title. Like you know, I guess you could

1771
01:25:26,960 --> 01:25:28,240
Speaker 2: just keep going if you wanted to get all the

1772
01:25:28,640 --> 01:25:32,240
Speaker 2: as many medals as you wanted. But he achieved almost

1773
01:25:32,240 --> 01:25:35,000
Speaker 2: everything you could achieve as a wrestler. You got the

1774
01:25:35,080 --> 01:25:38,160
Speaker 2: highest level gold medal, you got two times in the

1775
01:25:38,240 --> 01:25:41,519
Speaker 2: National champion folk style. Dude, you did the damn thing.

1776
01:25:41,560 --> 01:25:43,760
Speaker 2: I hope he makes a shit ton of money in

1777
01:25:43,800 --> 01:25:45,439
Speaker 2: whatever he wants to do. He is a beast. By

1778
01:25:45,479 --> 01:25:47,080
Speaker 2: the way, listen to this. I'm not sure how he

1779
01:25:47,120 --> 01:25:49,519
Speaker 2: did in the tournament, but I know pre tournament, as

1780
01:25:49,560 --> 01:25:51,080
Speaker 2: you mentioned, this guy got two on him. I'm not

1781
01:25:51,120 --> 01:25:52,600
Speaker 2: sure what the rules were, how he got it, to

1782
01:25:52,720 --> 01:25:55,080
Speaker 2: escapes or whatever. But prior to that, prior to that,

1783
01:25:55,240 --> 01:25:57,439
Speaker 2: he had out Or prior to the tournament, he had

1784
01:25:57,479 --> 01:26:00,880
Speaker 2: outscored his opponents this season two hundred and one to one.

1785
01:26:01,320 --> 01:26:04,400
Speaker 2: Good on the one point that they got was only

1786
01:26:04,439 --> 01:26:07,320
Speaker 2: because he had taunted a guy and they docked him.

1787
01:26:07,720 --> 01:26:10,360
Speaker 2: That's it. So he up until this tournament, they couldn't

1788
01:26:10,400 --> 01:26:11,439
Speaker 2: do shit to him.

1789
01:26:11,720 --> 01:26:15,000
Speaker 1: Look at this leapfrog he performed earlier in the tournament. Luke,

1790
01:26:15,040 --> 01:26:17,880
Speaker 1: He's obviously a physical free to freaking nature, But you

1791
01:26:17,920 --> 01:26:21,120
Speaker 1: talk about beating the game. He's been paid by ww

1792
01:26:21,280 --> 01:26:23,679
Speaker 1: for the last year. He signed one of those new

1793
01:26:24,160 --> 01:26:26,760
Speaker 1: nil NTL. What do you call those deals, Luke, the

1794
01:26:26,960 --> 01:26:31,439
Speaker 1: nil the Marshall Rogan IU deal. Yeah, and so Luke,

1795
01:26:32,040 --> 01:26:33,559
Speaker 1: you know he's probably I mean, who knows, he may

1796
01:26:33,600 --> 01:26:35,840
Speaker 1: show up a WrestleMania in a few weeks, Luke, who knows,

1797
01:26:35,880 --> 01:26:39,320
Speaker 1: But he's a freak well, I mean, well, Luke, true false.

1798
01:26:39,640 --> 01:26:41,960
Speaker 1: Before the age of thirty. This man fights a professional

1799
01:26:42,160 --> 01:26:42,720
Speaker 1: MMA fight.

1800
01:26:43,560 --> 01:26:46,080
Speaker 2: True, I will say true. I will say true.

1801
01:26:47,200 --> 01:26:49,200
Speaker 1: Luke, let's go back to UFC London because there's so

1802
01:26:49,280 --> 01:26:53,080
Speaker 1: much content. Just listen to this crowd in the London streets.

1803
01:26:53,120 --> 01:26:56,360
Speaker 1: If you don't think Tom Aspinall is being hoisted up

1804
01:26:56,400 --> 01:27:19,760
Speaker 1: as the next star. Luke, take this in. I think

1805
01:27:19,800 --> 01:27:20,639
Speaker 1: that covers that lived.

1806
01:27:22,760 --> 01:27:25,000
Speaker 2: Yeah. I saw something similar to this after two h

1807
01:27:25,160 --> 01:27:28,439
Speaker 2: five and I did my post fight show from the

1808
01:27:28,479 --> 01:27:31,480
Speaker 2: press office at Massive Square Garden, and I went downstairs

1809
01:27:31,520 --> 01:27:34,320
Speaker 2: and I actually talked to molch Kawa for like fifteen minutes,

1810
01:27:34,680 --> 01:27:37,280
Speaker 2: and then I walked out right onto that promenade that

1811
01:27:37,360 --> 01:27:39,800
Speaker 2: leads into Seventh Avenue right in front you know what

1812
01:27:39,800 --> 01:27:42,519
Speaker 2: I'm talking about, where you can get into pen Station and

1813
01:27:42,640 --> 01:27:44,759
Speaker 2: the Irish grant of these are the Brits or whoever,

1814
01:27:44,840 --> 01:27:49,400
Speaker 2: but the Irish had completely blocked traffic for like a

1815
01:27:49,640 --> 01:27:51,840
Speaker 2: huge stretch of Seventh Avenue, which I told me to

1816
01:27:51,880 --> 01:27:55,800
Speaker 2: explain this. This is the dead center basically of Manhattan,

1817
01:27:55,840 --> 01:27:59,200
Speaker 2: and the Irish are dancing, flag waving and just completely

1818
01:27:59,240 --> 01:28:02,280
Speaker 2: bombarding traffic. You had to be pissed if you were

1819
01:28:02,320 --> 01:28:05,080
Speaker 2: a cab driver or reneuver. But as a as an observer,

1820
01:28:05,200 --> 01:28:07,360
Speaker 2: it was like, you just don't see American sports fans

1821
01:28:07,400 --> 01:28:09,200
Speaker 2: do stuff like that. Really, it was a moment.

1822
01:28:09,280 --> 01:28:12,439
Speaker 1: It was a definite moment. Aspinall also got involved with

1823
01:28:12,479 --> 01:28:16,680
Speaker 1: the energetic celebration here inside O two? Was this that

1824
01:28:16,760 --> 01:28:18,040
Speaker 1: O two? Luke did just make that up?

1825
01:28:18,120 --> 01:28:18,280
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1826
01:28:18,320 --> 01:28:18,720
Speaker 1: It was right?

1827
01:28:18,800 --> 01:28:19,439
Speaker 2: I think it was two.

1828
01:28:19,520 --> 01:28:22,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, look at this double fist in Luke. Yes.

1829
01:28:22,840 --> 01:28:23,120
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1830
01:28:23,200 --> 01:28:25,680
Speaker 2: And then just I guess it's the rule that if

1831
01:28:25,720 --> 01:28:28,080
Speaker 2: you go to a combat sports event in the UK

1832
01:28:28,920 --> 01:28:31,240
Speaker 2: you have to wear rain gear because bitch, it's gonna

1833
01:28:31,240 --> 01:28:33,120
Speaker 2: be showering beer from the ceilings.

1834
01:28:33,600 --> 01:28:36,280
Speaker 1: Stone called Steve Austin style right there, Luke. You gotta

1835
01:28:36,400 --> 01:28:39,439
Speaker 1: like that, Luke. Patty Pimblic got the big win, but

1836
01:28:39,600 --> 01:28:42,240
Speaker 1: rate the racy dance moves after Luke. I mean, the

1837
01:28:42,280 --> 01:28:45,080
Speaker 1: guy's got he's got charisma, you know. I mean he's

1838
01:28:45,080 --> 01:28:46,200
Speaker 1: pissing charisma, Luke.

1839
01:28:47,680 --> 01:28:50,040
Speaker 2: He does the hip gyration, he does the Johnny Walker. Yeah,

1840
01:28:50,040 --> 01:28:50,479
Speaker 2: that thing.

1841
01:28:52,880 --> 01:28:58,960
Speaker 1: Again for us, it's strong. It's a strong cup though, yeah, Luke, mokwa.

1842
01:28:59,200 --> 01:29:02,080
Speaker 2: The cup. The cup the size of several UFC flyweights.

1843
01:29:02,120 --> 01:29:07,160
Speaker 1: I mean it's just enormous, Luke, Makwan Emir Khannie subbed

1844
01:29:07,160 --> 01:29:09,600
Speaker 1: out Mike Grundy in round one, and how about the

1845
01:29:09,640 --> 01:29:11,120
Speaker 1: celebration from the team.

1846
01:29:12,680 --> 01:29:14,240
Speaker 2: And he gets the lateral drop here.

1847
01:29:14,560 --> 01:29:18,599
Speaker 1: Yep, Yes, yes we should when we do a live show, Luke,

1848
01:29:18,640 --> 01:29:20,719
Speaker 1: if we do a live show this summer, we should

1849
01:29:20,800 --> 01:29:22,000
Speaker 1: end the show with that. You and I.

1850
01:29:23,040 --> 01:29:26,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure this will go just the same as

1851
01:29:26,120 --> 01:29:27,680
Speaker 2: it did for two athletes.

1852
01:29:27,920 --> 01:29:30,160
Speaker 1: What if we did the dirty dancing moment, Luke, could

1853
01:29:30,160 --> 01:29:30,760
Speaker 1: you hoist me?

1854
01:29:32,760 --> 01:29:35,040
Speaker 2: Yeah for a second before I tipped you face first

1855
01:29:35,040 --> 01:29:35,759
Speaker 2: into the pavement.

1856
01:29:36,120 --> 01:29:39,120
Speaker 1: Okay, I bet I would have the time of my life, Luke.

1857
01:29:39,200 --> 01:29:43,320
Speaker 1: All right, heaviest boxing match in history went down from Dubai.

1858
01:29:43,479 --> 01:29:45,919
Speaker 1: I know, Luke was all over it. Here's Bjorn Thorson

1859
01:29:46,400 --> 01:29:48,720
Speaker 1: dropping Eddie the beast hole in round three. Luke, that's

1860
01:29:48,760 --> 01:29:49,759
Speaker 1: a legit ass punch.

1861
01:29:50,840 --> 01:29:52,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, he double jabbed his way into range. I'm not

1862
01:29:52,920 --> 01:29:54,960
Speaker 2: sure what the hell Eddie was doing, holding up his

1863
01:29:55,080 --> 01:29:58,040
Speaker 2: left using it to perry and then he's holding up

1864
01:29:58,080 --> 01:30:00,120
Speaker 2: his right. But he's got the worst angle ever.

1865
01:30:00,520 --> 01:30:02,599
Speaker 1: Six foot nine. Damn, Luke.

1866
01:30:02,720 --> 01:30:05,880
Speaker 2: Did you see Thorpe Thorpe? I said this before, did Thorpe?

1867
01:30:05,920 --> 01:30:09,160
Speaker 2: Jornsen like completely, like change his physique. He lost one

1868
01:30:09,200 --> 01:30:14,360
Speaker 2: hundred pounds and then some and took several smoker slash

1869
01:30:14,400 --> 01:30:17,800
Speaker 2: amateur slash whatever you know experiences just to get right

1870
01:30:17,840 --> 01:30:19,760
Speaker 2: and it paid off. Man, he looked a lot better

1871
01:30:19,800 --> 01:30:20,320
Speaker 2: than Eddie.

1872
01:30:21,160 --> 01:30:24,599
Speaker 1: Good sportsmanship afterwards, Luke, where they finally buried the hatchet

1873
01:30:24,640 --> 01:30:27,920
Speaker 1: of this five year grudge, although Eddie was a bit

1874
01:30:28,080 --> 01:30:31,720
Speaker 1: begrudgingly like, do I all right? Okay, yep, yep your Luke?

1875
01:30:31,800 --> 01:30:34,479
Speaker 1: Was it a decision winner or knockout decision?

1876
01:30:35,360 --> 01:30:37,360
Speaker 2: But he dropped him twice? He dropped him twice.

1877
01:30:38,040 --> 01:30:40,840
Speaker 1: All right, Uh, Luke, let's go full screen this and

1878
01:30:40,960 --> 01:30:45,800
Speaker 1: now this this broadcast of Sepie Seggi.

1879
01:30:45,600 --> 01:30:47,840
Speaker 2: Dot TV Seggi or whatever the hell you present.

1880
01:30:47,680 --> 01:30:51,120
Speaker 1: Meggy nice re rack from the from the play by

1881
01:30:51,160 --> 01:30:55,240
Speaker 1: play Guy Luke right caught on camera. Wow, alright, Uh

1882
01:30:55,479 --> 01:30:58,479
Speaker 1: got a got an eight ball side pocket? There we go, look,

1883
01:30:58,520 --> 01:31:00,719
Speaker 1: there we go. Balls.

1884
01:31:00,760 --> 01:31:04,800
Speaker 2: That's big laws. He's a famous British I think he

1885
01:31:04,880 --> 01:31:07,759
Speaker 2: might be the Iranian descent, but he's a British strong

1886
01:31:07,760 --> 01:31:09,160
Speaker 2: man himself. He's a fucking animal.

1887
01:31:09,160 --> 01:31:12,040
Speaker 1: He's great, like he's a famous juggler. Yeah, indeed, Luke,

1888
01:31:12,120 --> 01:31:14,519
Speaker 1: all right, Hey, look, let's go to the soccer pitch.

1889
01:31:14,560 --> 01:31:20,000
Speaker 1: There's some nasty mma breaking out. Bangkok FC's Altserrat Neutscha

1890
01:31:20,040 --> 01:31:22,480
Speaker 1: Boon sending a helbow.

1891
01:31:24,680 --> 01:31:29,280
Speaker 2: Good war, dude, he got a running start into that power.

1892
01:31:29,479 --> 01:31:34,040
Speaker 1: Was that an elbow? Yes? Yes, yes, good? That is

1893
01:31:34,120 --> 01:31:37,479
Speaker 1: divisus see it a one war time. That's just violent shit.

1894
01:31:37,439 --> 01:31:40,160
Speaker 2: Luke, Oh my god.

1895
01:31:40,560 --> 01:31:42,240
Speaker 1: And it looked like he was lining up the right hand.

1896
01:31:42,280 --> 01:31:44,519
Speaker 1: He raised his right fist just a bit and then

1897
01:31:44,560 --> 01:31:45,479
Speaker 1: comes with the left.

1898
01:31:45,600 --> 01:31:47,760
Speaker 2: Oh god, dude, that's the dude. That guy has trained

1899
01:31:47,840 --> 01:31:51,280
Speaker 2: Muay Thai. I'm sorry. The average amateur can't do shit

1900
01:31:51,400 --> 01:31:53,599
Speaker 2: like well, maybe they could, but I bet he's put

1901
01:31:53,640 --> 01:31:55,160
Speaker 2: a little bit of padwork in in his life. I

1902
01:31:55,200 --> 01:31:59,920
Speaker 2: guarantee it. Phew damn. Son just called him clean.

1903
01:32:00,640 --> 01:32:03,479
Speaker 1: Luke. You mentioned this during our interview with Stephen Fulton Junior,

1904
01:32:03,520 --> 01:32:05,600
Speaker 1: the one hundred and twenty two pound unified champion. You

1905
01:32:05,640 --> 01:32:07,960
Speaker 1: can catch that interview of course, YouTube dot com, Slash

1906
01:32:07,960 --> 01:32:12,240
Speaker 1: Morning Combat and many more. Mike Tyson taking over all

1907
01:32:12,280 --> 01:32:16,240
Speaker 1: the games. How about the Edibles game, Luke with the

1908
01:32:16,280 --> 01:32:21,320
Speaker 1: bitten air ear Air ear the ear ear air air

1909
01:32:21,360 --> 01:32:27,799
Speaker 1: ear Air Baitor Fad Fader fad or Betor Luke the airbus.

1910
01:32:27,840 --> 01:32:30,640
Speaker 2: See how many of these are currently sitting in your tummy?

1911
01:32:32,520 --> 01:32:34,400
Speaker 1: You know, I made it as far as the seventh

1912
01:32:34,400 --> 01:32:36,400
Speaker 1: throw on Delta, Luke. I'm trying to trying to get

1913
01:32:36,400 --> 01:32:38,760
Speaker 1: them to move my chair a little bit further. Luke,

1914
01:32:38,840 --> 01:32:40,960
Speaker 1: I bet you these are strong as shit, right, and

1915
01:32:41,080 --> 01:32:42,599
Speaker 1: expensive too. But I'd eat them.

1916
01:32:42,640 --> 01:32:44,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would eat all of them.

1917
01:32:44,960 --> 01:32:47,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, like I would eat them out of Mike's ear,

1918
01:32:48,040 --> 01:32:51,040
Speaker 1: like right, like my tongue would touch his cochlea. You

1919
01:32:51,080 --> 01:32:54,880
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Luke, Yeah, all right, Uh Luke,

1920
01:32:54,960 --> 01:32:57,280
Speaker 1: retired old guys don't give a shit. Check out this

1921
01:32:57,320 --> 01:33:00,120
Speaker 1: guy living it. Let's go full screen here living it up.

1922
01:33:00,840 --> 01:33:04,439
Speaker 1: Oh god, yeah, Look it didn't slow him down. He

1923
01:33:04,560 --> 01:33:06,360
Speaker 1: was back on the dance floor. Wow.

1924
01:33:06,960 --> 01:33:10,920
Speaker 2: Wow, Signor Briga is over here, just getting it done.

1925
01:33:11,479 --> 01:33:13,160
Speaker 2: What part of the world do we think this is?

1926
01:33:13,880 --> 01:33:18,760
Speaker 1: Uh, Florida. I'll go with Florida, Luke. Yeah, oh boy,

1927
01:33:18,920 --> 01:33:22,240
Speaker 1: that's great. Okay, enough of that bullshit, Uh Luke. This

1928
01:33:22,320 --> 01:33:25,639
Speaker 1: is how a younger, more single Luke Thomas would prepare

1929
01:33:25,720 --> 01:33:28,519
Speaker 1: for a freaking weekend, if you know what I mean, right.

1930
01:33:29,840 --> 01:33:33,760
Speaker 2: What are they fucking doing someone's tailbone? What are they doing?

1931
01:33:34,400 --> 01:33:36,439
Speaker 1: Are they pushing that ship in? Luke? I don't know,

1932
01:33:36,600 --> 01:33:38,120
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know.

1933
01:33:38,400 --> 01:33:40,120
Speaker 2: Is this is this Rikers? Where is this?

1934
01:33:41,080 --> 01:33:43,720
Speaker 1: It's just the movie Sleepers. Why I've been I've seen

1935
01:33:43,760 --> 01:33:45,599
Speaker 1: that one a while. Okay, let's get out of here.

1936
01:33:45,680 --> 01:33:48,400
Speaker 1: Look I got more UFC London for you. Good lord,

1937
01:33:48,520 --> 01:33:51,720
Speaker 1: Ilia Taporia just killed Ji Herbert Luke.

1938
01:33:51,800 --> 01:33:53,400
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we go over there, We go over this

1939
01:33:53,439 --> 01:33:54,719
Speaker 2: and detail on extra credit.

1940
01:33:54,800 --> 01:33:59,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, Luke, you're gonna talk the ship on your show.

1941
01:34:00,080 --> 01:34:03,000
Speaker 1: But he had to take a little bit of a

1942
01:34:03,040 --> 01:34:05,439
Speaker 1: beaten in order before he was able to deliver that.

1943
01:34:05,479 --> 01:34:07,799
Speaker 1: But once he delivered that, shit, hold, dude, that's violent

1944
01:34:07,880 --> 01:34:10,040
Speaker 1: as hell. Heck, God damn power.

1945
01:34:10,560 --> 01:34:12,439
Speaker 2: Think about how much his power carried up the weight.

1946
01:34:12,520 --> 01:34:14,120
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know exactly where he's gonna end up.

1947
01:34:14,120 --> 01:34:15,800
Speaker 2: Maybe one fifty five will be his future home. I

1948
01:34:15,800 --> 01:34:18,040
Speaker 2: don't know or what he plans to do, but I

1949
01:34:18,080 --> 01:34:19,320
Speaker 2: was I didn't know what he was going to mean

1950
01:34:19,320 --> 01:34:21,760
Speaker 2: for him physically at one fifty five. It didn't mean shit.

1951
01:34:22,040 --> 01:34:23,800
Speaker 2: His power carries all the way up.

1952
01:34:24,400 --> 01:34:26,639
Speaker 1: I mean, you have a one hit or quarter like that,

1953
01:34:26,680 --> 01:34:28,800
Speaker 1: you can just pull that out at any point. I mean,

1954
01:34:28,800 --> 01:34:32,400
Speaker 1: it was like a seven inch reach disadvantage too. It's wild, Luke,

1955
01:34:32,479 --> 01:34:35,559
Speaker 1: Dana White and Eddie Hearn, also Derek Chesora and Anthony

1956
01:34:35,680 --> 01:34:38,599
Speaker 1: Joshua all cage side. Luke, what do you think they

1957
01:34:38,720 --> 01:34:41,360
Speaker 1: did talk about cocaine and bitches? What do you got?

1958
01:34:42,520 --> 01:34:45,400
Speaker 2: So? Wait, your business model is you keep eighty percent

1959
01:34:45,439 --> 01:34:48,120
Speaker 2: of the profits. We got to get this business model.

1960
01:34:48,439 --> 01:34:51,719
Speaker 1: We got to start working together. Yeah. Please, all right, that's.

1961
01:34:51,600 --> 01:34:55,040
Speaker 2: A great business model. Here, here's our model. We keep

1962
01:34:55,040 --> 01:34:55,479
Speaker 2: the money.

1963
01:34:56,240 --> 01:34:59,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Luke. You may not remember this, but Anthony

1964
01:34:59,720 --> 01:35:05,000
Speaker 1: josh was once publicly questioned by Amir Khan on Twitter

1965
01:35:05,080 --> 01:35:08,520
Speaker 1: of whether AJ slept with Missus Khan during a particular

1966
01:35:08,680 --> 01:35:11,200
Speaker 1: rocky bout for the Cons when they were going through

1967
01:35:11,240 --> 01:35:14,680
Speaker 1: a public online scandal. Somebody asked AJ on Twitter the

1968
01:35:14,760 --> 01:35:16,960
Speaker 1: other day about it. Did you really f Missus Khan

1969
01:35:17,040 --> 01:35:19,640
Speaker 1: back in the day? He said, honestly, I didn't, but

1970
01:35:19,760 --> 01:35:23,000
Speaker 1: with all the accusations around my name, I wish I did.

1971
01:35:23,120 --> 01:35:30,800
Speaker 2: Luke your thought, I'd probably say the same thing. I'd

1972
01:35:30,800 --> 01:35:33,080
Speaker 2: probably feel the exact way, like, yeah, I kind of

1973
01:35:33,120 --> 01:35:34,240
Speaker 2: wish I did bang this.

1974
01:35:34,439 --> 01:35:38,800
Speaker 1: Uh well, mere Khan ended up apologizing after that that

1975
01:35:38,960 --> 01:35:41,160
Speaker 1: and kind of backing backtracking it a bit, but it

1976
01:35:41,200 --> 01:35:43,840
Speaker 1: was a funny moment. Luke boxing over the weekend. Dude,

1977
01:35:43,880 --> 01:35:45,639
Speaker 1: did you see this guy in the top rank undercard.

1978
01:35:45,840 --> 01:35:52,400
Speaker 1: He's been on this segment before, Shoeshoe Carrington, Luke, Bruce Carrington, Dude.

1979
01:35:52,240 --> 01:35:53,960
Speaker 2: Is he good? He looks like he's the goods.

1980
01:35:54,080 --> 01:35:56,479
Speaker 1: He's got an amateur background. He's good. But he keeps

1981
01:35:56,640 --> 01:36:00,240
Speaker 1: doing these one punch knockouts on the undercards in he's

1982
01:36:00,240 --> 01:36:03,599
Speaker 1: making people believers. Dude, that's wow. Wow.

1983
01:36:03,880 --> 01:36:07,040
Speaker 2: I mean both of those punches were absolutely vicious. That

1984
01:36:07,080 --> 01:36:09,200
Speaker 2: guy once he got hit, he was just spun in

1985
01:36:09,240 --> 01:36:10,639
Speaker 2: a circle. He had no hope.

1986
01:36:11,080 --> 01:36:14,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was awesome. Look, we didn't preview. I didn't

1987
01:36:14,240 --> 01:36:17,760
Speaker 1: even know what was happening. Our boy, Rugaru pro Gray

1988
01:36:17,960 --> 01:36:21,559
Speaker 1: was back in Abu Dabi. It was a probellum card.

1989
01:36:21,560 --> 01:36:25,680
Speaker 1: That's Richard Schaeffer, the John Jones advisor. But Luke, he

1990
01:36:25,760 --> 01:36:27,639
Speaker 1: came out with the Ruguru mess. You know, he told

1991
01:36:27,640 --> 01:36:29,479
Speaker 1: me this costs ten thousand dollars to.

1992
01:36:29,439 --> 01:36:33,000
Speaker 2: Make I believe it. I believe. I asked him what

1993
01:36:33,040 --> 01:36:35,040
Speaker 2: the rugaroo is and he guess, I guess it's the

1994
01:36:35,160 --> 01:36:37,720
Speaker 2: New Orleans, Louisiana version of Bigfoot.

1995
01:36:38,120 --> 01:36:39,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like the Boogeyman.

1996
01:36:39,439 --> 01:36:41,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, the Boogeyman. Yeah, he lives in the Louisiana

1997
01:36:41,880 --> 01:36:43,640
Speaker 2: swamps according to legend or something like that.

1998
01:36:43,680 --> 01:36:47,880
Speaker 1: Absolutely. Look, he took one Tyrone McKenna and what was

1999
01:36:47,960 --> 01:36:48,280
Speaker 1: kind of.

2000
01:36:48,200 --> 01:36:50,519
Speaker 2: A haven't I haven't seen any of this footage. This

2001
01:36:50,600 --> 01:36:52,800
Speaker 2: should be a beatdown, right, Yeah.

2002
01:36:52,560 --> 01:36:54,679
Speaker 1: He would get a I think he got a decision

2003
01:36:54,680 --> 01:36:56,080
Speaker 1: when but he beat the crap out of this guy.

2004
01:36:56,080 --> 01:36:59,519
Speaker 1: Here's the second round knockdown. Just to stay busy for Regis.

2005
01:36:59,520 --> 01:37:02,880
Speaker 1: But but yeah, just the same, Luke, we got to

2006
01:37:02,920 --> 01:37:04,479
Speaker 1: get this guy into a big fight. I know he's

2007
01:37:04,520 --> 01:37:07,080
Speaker 1: kind of like waiting for the opening. But he was

2008
01:37:07,120 --> 01:37:09,320
Speaker 1: with PBC, you remember, for like two fights, and now

2009
01:37:09,360 --> 01:37:13,679
Speaker 1: he's with Probellum. I mean he's thirty three. Luke's he's

2010
01:37:13,720 --> 01:37:15,680
Speaker 1: really good dude. That fight with Josh Taylor, it was

2011
01:37:15,680 --> 01:37:19,880
Speaker 1: an instant classic. But I don't know, Luke, he's been.

2012
01:37:19,920 --> 01:37:22,840
Speaker 2: Taking easy paychecks recently, like he did the triiller thing

2013
01:37:22,840 --> 01:37:25,680
Speaker 2: against Ivid redcatch, yes, and then he did this and

2014
01:37:25,720 --> 01:37:27,519
Speaker 2: I'm not backing on him for it. Like you know,

2015
01:37:27,520 --> 01:37:29,720
Speaker 2: if they're giving you big money and your window was short,

2016
01:37:29,760 --> 01:37:31,519
Speaker 2: get your money. But at the same time, it does

2017
01:37:31,560 --> 01:37:34,040
Speaker 2: feel like we're missing out on where he could be

2018
01:37:35,400 --> 01:37:36,480
Speaker 2: against better opposition.

2019
01:37:36,720 --> 01:37:38,600
Speaker 1: It's weird. He was like a wrong Side of the

2020
01:37:38,600 --> 01:37:40,080
Speaker 1: Tracks guy when he first came on the scene in

2021
01:37:40,200 --> 01:37:42,679
Speaker 1: terms of not having a major promoter. He had Loudbella

2022
01:37:42,800 --> 01:37:45,720
Speaker 1: for that that stretch, you know, and he has the

2023
01:37:45,760 --> 01:37:50,800
Speaker 1: celebrity management of what Mark Wahlberg and Peter Berg I

2024
01:37:50,800 --> 01:37:54,800
Speaker 1: think are potentially his co managers, So you know, I

2025
01:37:54,800 --> 01:37:57,600
Speaker 1: don't know, like maybe they've they felt it more strategic

2026
01:37:57,640 --> 01:37:59,439
Speaker 1: to not sign with a major promoter. I'm not sure

2027
01:37:59,479 --> 01:38:02,320
Speaker 1: why he never really ended up like you know in

2028
01:38:02,400 --> 01:38:04,720
Speaker 1: the PBC universe or in the ear you know, top

2029
01:38:04,760 --> 01:38:07,640
Speaker 1: rank ESPN or Golden Boy or whatever. But uh he

2030
01:38:07,720 --> 01:38:11,120
Speaker 1: called out Jack Catterall Cattleall after the win, Luke, who

2031
01:38:11,200 --> 01:38:14,320
Speaker 1: was ringside. But he also had a real, recognized, real

2032
01:38:14,360 --> 01:38:19,240
Speaker 1: moment backstage after the win with Manchester United's Marcus Rashford. Luke,

2033
01:38:19,280 --> 01:38:20,680
Speaker 1: I'm not moved by this, but are you?

2034
01:38:23,560 --> 01:38:28,360
Speaker 2: Uh No, I don't really watch Premier League all that much. Also,

2035
01:38:28,400 --> 01:38:29,719
Speaker 2: hasn't he been benched recently?

2036
01:38:30,600 --> 01:38:32,240
Speaker 1: You think I know that shit? I was you know

2037
01:38:32,280 --> 01:38:34,519
Speaker 1: that I got dm by many a fan saying please

2038
01:38:34,560 --> 01:38:36,920
Speaker 1: heckle Luke that his soccer team got the shit kicked

2039
01:38:36,920 --> 01:38:38,680
Speaker 1: out of him Ford to nothing. And I'm like, well,

2040
01:38:38,680 --> 01:38:41,040
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna do that publicly. I'm not gonna I'm

2041
01:38:41,040 --> 01:38:41,800
Speaker 1: not gonna out of friend.

2042
01:38:41,840 --> 01:38:44,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, everyone's got something to say when they lose. They

2043
01:38:44,320 --> 01:38:46,160
Speaker 2: don't have shit to say when they win. So when

2044
01:38:46,200 --> 01:38:49,160
Speaker 2: they win the league, everyone be sure to come back

2045
01:38:49,200 --> 01:38:51,040
Speaker 2: into my mentions with the exact same energy.

2046
01:38:51,080 --> 01:38:53,960
Speaker 1: Please, wow wow, look at that call out, uh Luke.

2047
01:38:54,080 --> 01:38:56,840
Speaker 1: Pro Gray also had an interesting tweet about pollution. Let's

2048
01:38:56,840 --> 01:38:58,439
Speaker 1: blow this up, Luke, tell me your thoughts on this.

2049
01:39:01,200 --> 01:39:06,320
Speaker 1: Scientists claim pollution is causing men's private parts to become smaller. California, Pennsylvania,

2050
01:39:06,320 --> 01:39:09,000
Speaker 1: and Texas have the worst air quality in the country.

2051
01:39:11,840 --> 01:39:14,240
Speaker 2: You know what, there might be something to it. I mean,

2052
01:39:14,240 --> 01:39:16,960
Speaker 2: this doesn't seem very scientific. It's just a tweet but

2053
01:39:17,280 --> 01:39:19,280
Speaker 2: with no sourcing whatsoever. But you know what, let's go

2054
01:39:19,439 --> 01:39:19,760
Speaker 2: with it.

2055
01:39:20,080 --> 01:39:22,720
Speaker 1: All right, Luke, this is off the rails already. Let's

2056
01:39:22,720 --> 01:39:24,760
Speaker 1: just get drunk. Let's keep it going, Luke, this is

2057
01:39:24,800 --> 01:39:27,479
Speaker 1: how not to tap a keg for Saint Patrick's Day.

2058
01:39:28,320 --> 01:39:29,479
Speaker 2: Oh, these fucking idiots.

2059
01:39:29,560 --> 01:39:32,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, has this ever happened to you?

2060
01:39:32,439 --> 01:39:35,599
Speaker 2: Luke? In my early days, I have botched the keg

2061
01:39:35,640 --> 01:39:38,320
Speaker 2: tap or two, but uh, I don't think i'd be

2062
01:39:38,360 --> 01:39:39,080
Speaker 2: that bad anymore.

2063
01:39:39,520 --> 01:39:41,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, luckily your beer too, Huh?

2064
01:39:41,520 --> 01:39:43,320
Speaker 2: Got it like my daughter's nose.

2065
01:39:43,840 --> 01:39:46,040
Speaker 1: Yeah that's true. But well, luckily you had the brothers

2066
01:39:46,040 --> 01:39:48,920
Speaker 1: in your fraternity, Luke to help you right, get your back.

2067
01:39:49,120 --> 01:39:51,320
Speaker 2: I had a mentorship program.

2068
01:39:51,080 --> 01:39:54,200
Speaker 1: Yeah right, Luke. Shoeies are now overplayed. What do you

2069
01:39:54,200 --> 01:39:56,920
Speaker 1: think about croc rips? These are the newest things, Luke.

2070
01:39:57,400 --> 01:39:59,799
Speaker 2: This is just sad. These are just sad, bored people.

2071
01:40:00,120 --> 01:40:01,120
Speaker 2: They got nothing to do.

2072
01:40:02,760 --> 01:40:04,479
Speaker 1: I bet you a few of our fans have tried this.

2073
01:40:04,600 --> 01:40:07,560
Speaker 1: There's probably I mean probably a few MK subscribers.

2074
01:40:07,600 --> 01:40:11,000
Speaker 2: There's just dude, there's dude. You could honestly explain most

2075
01:40:11,120 --> 01:40:13,720
Speaker 2: human behavior at this point by being like, they do

2076
01:40:13,800 --> 01:40:16,720
Speaker 2: it for the lulls on Instagram and they're otherwise just

2077
01:40:16,800 --> 01:40:17,559
Speaker 2: sad and bored.

2078
01:40:18,439 --> 01:40:20,680
Speaker 1: All right, Maybe that means this guy too, Luke, who

2079
01:40:20,680 --> 01:40:23,519
Speaker 1: showed up to the to the to the Death Metal concert,

2080
01:40:23,880 --> 01:40:26,439
Speaker 1: made it on stage and then made a running start

2081
01:40:26,760 --> 01:40:27,679
Speaker 1: for a crowd dive.

2082
01:40:27,720 --> 01:40:28,120
Speaker 2: Here is this?

2083
01:40:28,400 --> 01:40:36,160
Speaker 1: Uh uh cannibal corpse. Oh god, that is just yeah.

2084
01:40:36,200 --> 01:40:37,200
Speaker 1: I mean, Luke served him.

2085
01:40:37,200 --> 01:40:40,200
Speaker 2: You see, I cannot believe that a white guy went

2086
01:40:40,240 --> 01:40:42,920
Speaker 2: to a death metal show and then got hurt trying

2087
01:40:42,920 --> 01:40:45,479
Speaker 2: to stage dive. I can't believe it. Look at those

2088
01:40:45,560 --> 01:40:48,120
Speaker 2: ups that look like John Morant. He got so high.

2089
01:40:49,080 --> 01:40:53,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, r I p that guy, Luke. This is an

2090
01:40:53,200 --> 01:40:55,360
Speaker 1: interesting one. You and I both got tagged on. I

2091
01:40:55,640 --> 01:41:00,120
Speaker 1: g by the legend street fighting legend and then a

2092
01:41:00,320 --> 01:41:06,080
Speaker 1: trolling legend blood stain Lane. Luke, there's a fellow by

2093
01:41:06,120 --> 01:41:10,200
Speaker 1: the name of ds n y boxing on Instagram who

2094
01:41:10,600 --> 01:41:12,320
Speaker 1: was willing to stand in front of the mirror and

2095
01:41:12,360 --> 01:41:15,120
Speaker 1: say Beatles juice three times and we have video proof here.

2096
01:41:15,120 --> 01:41:19,439
Speaker 1: I want to get your thoughts on this, yo. Let's

2097
01:41:19,439 --> 01:41:22,400
Speaker 1: see it in my box on the here, I'm running

2098
01:41:22,400 --> 01:41:25,040
Speaker 1: a car on somebody by Bully. You know what I

2099
01:41:25,040 --> 01:41:27,320
Speaker 1: want somebody from the two Fight Club.

2100
01:41:27,760 --> 01:41:28,559
Speaker 2: That's not who you think.

2101
01:41:29,479 --> 01:41:33,800
Speaker 1: Blood stain Lane like annoyed. So how about you get

2102
01:41:33,800 --> 01:41:38,439
Speaker 1: off those hardwook poors and step into a range. Rus Hey, Brilly,

2103
01:41:38,560 --> 01:41:42,920
Speaker 1: let's make it happen. Bro Ki mean, I got something.

2104
01:41:42,920 --> 01:41:44,439
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, what's up?

2105
01:41:44,520 --> 01:41:45,800
Speaker 2: You degenerate Heathens.

2106
01:41:45,880 --> 01:41:48,799
Speaker 3: This is blood Stay Lane aka the Whole Heal aka

2107
01:41:49,320 --> 01:41:52,800
Speaker 3: Saint blood Stain aka mister one eight seven on you

2108
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Speaker 3: six six sixes. You know today I was just minding

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01:41:55,920 --> 01:41:58,880
Speaker 3: my own business. I a true don does and lo

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01:41:59,080 --> 01:42:02,040
Speaker 3: and behold they get them on my Instagram and I

2111
01:42:02,120 --> 01:42:05,040
Speaker 3: open it up and I say, what in the creat

2112
01:42:05,120 --> 01:42:08,439
Speaker 3: team is going on right now? I see this neat

2113
01:42:08,640 --> 01:42:12,320
Speaker 3: head athrothal what I've never heard of, never seen in

2114
01:42:12,360 --> 01:42:15,240
Speaker 3: my life called d s n Y boxing, clawing me

2115
01:42:15,360 --> 01:42:17,600
Speaker 3: out to a fight when April eighth, saying that you

2116
01:42:17,680 --> 01:42:21,840
Speaker 3: don't like me, that I annoy him, but Steak, you

2117
01:42:21,880 --> 01:42:25,680
Speaker 3: don't like a man of of of nobility, of decorum,

2118
01:42:25,840 --> 01:42:30,160
Speaker 3: of righteousness and holiness, just priming doesn't like me. You

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01:42:30,200 --> 01:42:32,360
Speaker 3: know he has he's all shot to.

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01:42:32,360 --> 01:42:35,240
Speaker 1: The gills of muscles this and aflix troop. He told

2121
01:42:35,280 --> 01:42:37,200
Speaker 1: he has the aura of tinker belt.

2122
01:42:37,360 --> 01:42:40,400
Speaker 3: Okay, all those muscles are not gonna stop me from

2123
01:42:40,479 --> 01:42:43,479
Speaker 3: breaking that glass drawer. But we do scrap now, I

2124
01:42:43,520 --> 01:42:47,800
Speaker 3: know you want me to fight in April eight.

2125
01:42:46,200 --> 01:42:51,479
Speaker 1: Right, all right, we can cut it. Here's going on?

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01:42:52,560 --> 01:42:55,160
Speaker 2: Does he does he say he's gonna take the fight

2127
01:42:55,240 --> 01:42:55,439
Speaker 2: or not?

2128
01:42:56,720 --> 01:43:01,120
Speaker 1: Okay, it sounds like he's saying he's gonna take the fight, Luke.

2129
01:43:01,160 --> 01:43:04,080
Speaker 1: And if you could get any legend to come back

2130
01:43:04,120 --> 01:43:07,519
Speaker 1: for one more, people want gsp people want Habi once more.

2131
01:43:07,640 --> 01:43:07,880
Speaker 2: Luke.

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01:43:08,360 --> 01:43:11,400
Speaker 1: How about BSL coming back and putting the gloves on?

2133
01:43:11,439 --> 01:43:13,560
Speaker 1: Do you like his chance? I mean, he's he's of

2134
01:43:13,720 --> 01:43:16,519
Speaker 1: the age of us, old and white and washed, Luke.

2135
01:43:16,760 --> 01:43:19,760
Speaker 1: But he does live a different lifestyle. He is a

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01:43:19,320 --> 01:43:21,840
Speaker 1: a don in those parts, Luke.

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01:43:22,080 --> 01:43:24,280
Speaker 2: Okay, I gotta tell you I once had drinks with

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01:43:24,320 --> 01:43:25,960
Speaker 2: blood stain Lane. Did you know that?

2139
01:43:26,720 --> 01:43:28,120
Speaker 1: I did not? I did not know that.

2140
01:43:28,240 --> 01:43:32,439
Speaker 2: So when I briefly hosted Spike TV's Mman Censored Live,

2141
01:43:32,560 --> 01:43:33,760
Speaker 2: or when I was one of the co hosts, he

2142
01:43:33,840 --> 01:43:36,200
Speaker 2: came in one day when Oveream was our guest. He

2143
01:43:36,240 --> 01:43:39,639
Speaker 2: was like he was boys with Overream and we got

2144
01:43:39,680 --> 01:43:44,760
Speaker 2: to talking and he is fucking hilarious, like truly, like

2145
01:43:45,760 --> 01:43:48,439
Speaker 2: bit of my belly laughing at some of the hilarious

2146
01:43:48,439 --> 01:43:49,960
Speaker 2: things he said. And then he went on a sort

2147
01:43:49,960 --> 01:43:51,680
Speaker 2: of a different life path. And I haven't been able

2148
01:43:51,720 --> 01:43:53,760
Speaker 2: to keep track or necessarily with all things he's up to,

2149
01:43:53,840 --> 01:43:56,879
Speaker 2: but I did see his He has a there's footage

2150
01:43:56,880 --> 01:43:59,960
Speaker 2: of him having an amateur like mma about he looked

2151
01:44:00,160 --> 01:44:02,840
Speaker 2: pretty good all things considered. Actually, so I don't know

2152
01:44:02,840 --> 01:44:04,439
Speaker 2: what kind of shape he's in these days, but if

2153
01:44:04,920 --> 01:44:06,000
Speaker 2: wants to make a return.

2154
01:44:06,560 --> 01:44:08,679
Speaker 1: He seems to be inspired again. I mean, like you said,

2155
01:44:08,680 --> 01:44:10,720
Speaker 1: he's ready to pull a one eight seven on all

2156
01:44:10,800 --> 01:44:14,320
Speaker 1: you six six six ers. So Luke, if they you know,

2157
01:44:14,400 --> 01:44:16,640
Speaker 1: I mean, look, we've we've broken down worst fights on

2158
01:44:16,680 --> 01:44:18,800
Speaker 1: this show. I'll tell you that much. So, uh, if

2159
01:44:18,800 --> 01:44:20,640
Speaker 1: this happens April eighth, you know I'm going to be

2160
01:44:20,680 --> 01:44:23,479
Speaker 1: excited about it. Let's close this segment quickly. Here, Let's

2161
01:44:23,479 --> 01:44:25,639
Speaker 1: go some KOs of the week here, Luke, first on

2162
01:44:25,680 --> 01:44:34,080
Speaker 1: the on the two wheels. Oh oh god.

2163
01:44:32,479 --> 01:44:36,000
Speaker 2: Oh god. I see these people do these try to

2164
01:44:36,000 --> 01:44:38,320
Speaker 2: do these tricks on all these excooters you can rent

2165
01:44:38,400 --> 01:44:40,679
Speaker 2: DC because they're scooters everywhere. You just scam with your phone,

2166
01:44:40,680 --> 01:44:42,880
Speaker 2: pick them up and go, you know. And dude, some

2167
01:44:42,920 --> 01:44:44,639
Speaker 2: of these people like I, I'm gonna be Tony Hawk,

2168
01:44:44,640 --> 01:44:45,880
Speaker 2: which I know is a skateboard, but I don't know

2169
01:44:45,880 --> 01:44:48,320
Speaker 2: who the equivalent would be. I'm going to be a

2170
01:44:48,360 --> 01:44:52,519
Speaker 2: fucking Tony Hawk, and they fucking bite it every time.

2171
01:44:53,680 --> 01:44:56,840
Speaker 1: Yeah. Uh, let's go to the amateur kickboxing ring, Luke,

2172
01:44:57,479 --> 01:44:59,960
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's cool to try spinny stuff unless

2173
01:45:00,360 --> 01:45:05,200
Speaker 1: unless you do a uh self ktfo. So uh yeah,

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01:45:06,240 --> 01:45:07,880
Speaker 1: that's references like bitch.

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01:45:08,760 --> 01:45:10,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, how do you lose a fight without having a

2176
01:45:10,560 --> 01:45:11,080
Speaker 2: punch thrown?

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01:45:11,720 --> 01:45:13,880
Speaker 1: Yeah? How do we? We haven't enough child abuse on this.

2178
01:45:13,960 --> 01:45:16,800
Speaker 1: Let's go the soccer pitch, Luke. Let's fill all the

2179
01:45:16,880 --> 01:45:17,599
Speaker 1: quotas today.

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01:45:18,960 --> 01:45:20,880
Speaker 2: Oh that little uh.

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01:45:23,240 --> 01:45:26,160
Speaker 1: All right, let's make sure somebody older gets it this time, Luke,

2182
01:45:26,200 --> 01:45:28,599
Speaker 1: to bounce it out. Check out this amateur ko.

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01:45:33,360 --> 01:45:37,160
Speaker 2: Dude. This guy's just Jesus. The ref is gonna let

2184
01:45:37,200 --> 01:45:38,719
Speaker 2: you about to saying ref what the fuck?

2185
01:45:38,800 --> 01:45:39,000
Speaker 1: Yeah?

2186
01:45:39,040 --> 01:45:42,640
Speaker 2: There you go. Hey, didn't Rick Flair do that at

2187
01:45:42,680 --> 01:45:44,599
Speaker 2: one point where he got hit or something and then

2188
01:45:44,640 --> 01:45:45,960
Speaker 2: like seven minutes later he fell, for.

2189
01:45:46,240 --> 01:45:49,360
Speaker 1: That is the Rick Flair famous face first fall. All right, Luke,

2190
01:45:49,400 --> 01:45:52,000
Speaker 1: we close with this. I call it wrong, place wrong, Puke.

2191
01:45:52,080 --> 01:45:54,080
Speaker 1: I got two of them, Luke, who would you least

2192
01:45:54,200 --> 01:45:59,320
Speaker 1: rather be in this case? Oh boy, that guy in

2193
01:45:59,360 --> 01:46:00,679
Speaker 1: the white shirt Luke.

2194
01:46:02,080 --> 01:46:05,639
Speaker 2: And BC after after shooting pregame preview.

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01:46:05,960 --> 01:46:08,839
Speaker 1: Yes indeed indeed, And.

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01:46:08,720 --> 01:46:11,799
Speaker 2: Let's go this is that me? Is that me right afterwards?

2197
01:46:11,840 --> 01:46:13,479
Speaker 2: Or was that you at the Mexican restaurant.

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01:46:13,680 --> 01:46:21,639
Speaker 1: Oh boy, uh oh wow, oh god, oh my god, Luke,

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01:46:22,800 --> 01:46:25,040
Speaker 1: that is uh. I don't know if we're allowed to

2200
01:46:25,080 --> 01:46:27,559
Speaker 1: even show that. That is gross the things you do

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01:46:27,640 --> 01:46:28,000
Speaker 1: for love.

2202
01:46:28,160 --> 01:46:30,280
Speaker 2: That seems like a crime that you just showed. I think.

2203
01:46:30,880 --> 01:46:33,240
Speaker 1: I mean, Luke, I would do anything for love, but

2204
01:46:33,320 --> 01:46:36,519
Speaker 1: I won't do that. Meet Loaf was right, Okay, all right.

2205
01:46:36,840 --> 01:46:39,920
Speaker 2: Luke, there's your ship BC time for odds and ends?

2206
01:46:39,920 --> 01:46:40,479
Speaker 2: What do you got?

2207
01:46:40,840 --> 01:46:44,439
Speaker 1: So look, we could play a million videos in praise him,

2208
01:46:44,479 --> 01:46:46,640
Speaker 1: but I think he deserves it. We hyped up E

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01:46:46,760 --> 01:46:50,120
Speaker 1: Casey light on the the i'll say famous, world famous,

2210
01:46:50,160 --> 01:46:54,000
Speaker 1: you know, uh, photo journalist for emime fighting, spent a

2211
01:46:54,040 --> 01:46:56,360
Speaker 1: decade on the top a lot of times working with

2212
01:46:56,360 --> 01:46:59,479
Speaker 1: Ario Hawane, traveled the world covering MMA. He did the

2213
01:46:59,520 --> 01:47:03,280
Speaker 1: Whimp to Warrior program now called ALTA, and had his

2214
01:47:03,320 --> 01:47:05,599
Speaker 1: amateur fight. Now he's forty four years old. He took

2215
01:47:05,640 --> 01:47:08,160
Speaker 1: on I think twenty four year old a guy named

2216
01:47:08,200 --> 01:47:12,639
Speaker 1: Fritz Fraunheim, and Luke, you're talking about a hard fought decision.

2217
01:47:12,800 --> 01:47:16,720
Speaker 1: Old Casey ate a big left hook early he might

2218
01:47:16,720 --> 01:47:18,800
Speaker 1: be even be able to see it right here, or

2219
01:47:18,840 --> 01:47:20,519
Speaker 1: maybe was a right hand ye. Anyway, he had a

2220
01:47:20,520 --> 01:47:21,640
Speaker 1: pretty big shot.

2221
01:47:21,600 --> 01:47:22,960
Speaker 2: Damn right there.

2222
01:47:23,400 --> 01:47:26,639
Speaker 1: He went on, Luke to take I think thirty twenty

2223
01:47:26,640 --> 01:47:29,519
Speaker 1: sevens across the board, relying on his wrestling, got full

2224
01:47:29,600 --> 01:47:33,920
Speaker 1: mount a bunch of times, and just grinded that shit out. Luke.

2225
01:47:34,000 --> 01:47:37,040
Speaker 1: I'll say this, that video nim Fighting did capturing his

2226
01:47:37,200 --> 01:47:40,920
Speaker 1: journey to this was inspiring. It was humble, you know

2227
01:47:40,920 --> 01:47:43,519
Speaker 1: what I mean. It was like really behind the scenes

2228
01:47:43,560 --> 01:47:46,080
Speaker 1: of what somebody who's as close to as you can

2229
01:47:46,120 --> 01:47:50,400
Speaker 1: get without being a fighter is. And I give him

2230
01:47:50,400 --> 01:47:52,800
Speaker 1: so much credit obviously for going through this. This did

2231
01:47:52,840 --> 01:47:54,720
Speaker 1: not make me want to go through this. By the way,

2232
01:47:54,760 --> 01:47:56,680
Speaker 1: even though I've had a bunch of our listeners who

2233
01:47:56,720 --> 01:47:59,479
Speaker 1: did similar programs like this reach out and speak how

2234
01:48:00,280 --> 01:48:02,679
Speaker 1: life transformative it is, and I'm sure it is, Luke,

2235
01:48:03,280 --> 01:48:06,720
Speaker 1: but to hear to hear Casey, a guy who I've

2236
01:48:06,720 --> 01:48:09,240
Speaker 1: always known but never known, if you get the point.

2237
01:48:09,240 --> 01:48:12,000
Speaker 1: I've worked with Esther a ton only just recently really

2238
01:48:12,040 --> 01:48:16,320
Speaker 1: getting to know Casey a bit. What a journey, dude,

2239
01:48:16,680 --> 01:48:18,880
Speaker 1: I mean, like, you don't have to do this right

2240
01:48:19,280 --> 01:48:22,280
Speaker 1: and but there was something he wanted to prove to himself,

2241
01:48:22,439 --> 01:48:25,080
Speaker 1: and just the fact that he did it is ballsy

2242
01:48:25,120 --> 01:48:27,559
Speaker 1: and and as a fellow media member, I'll ap plaud it,

2243
01:48:27,960 --> 01:48:30,320
Speaker 1: But to really see his story, Luke, there was you know,

2244
01:48:30,360 --> 01:48:33,439
Speaker 1: he was straight up. You know, I'm there's a this sucks,

2245
01:48:33,479 --> 01:48:37,000
Speaker 1: the grind sucks, the pain sucks. Even winning the fight afterwards,

2246
01:48:37,000 --> 01:48:40,240
Speaker 1: he's like, this sucked. But there was something deeper, Luke,

2247
01:48:40,320 --> 01:48:42,720
Speaker 1: that he was willing to you know, quote unquote risk

2248
01:48:42,760 --> 01:48:45,040
Speaker 1: at all for on the other side of that hill.

2249
01:48:45,600 --> 01:48:48,200
Speaker 1: And you know, we all, we all have that challenge

2250
01:48:48,200 --> 01:48:49,920
Speaker 1: in many areas of our life. Here's a guy went

2251
01:48:49,920 --> 01:48:51,599
Speaker 1: out and did that shit. You know, it's like they

2252
01:48:51,600 --> 01:48:53,680
Speaker 1: always say about people that wrote a book, Luke. You know,

2253
01:48:54,200 --> 01:48:55,960
Speaker 1: only so many people can say they wrote a book,

2254
01:48:56,000 --> 01:48:58,960
Speaker 1: and that guy did it. Okay, this guy just suck.

2255
01:49:00,040 --> 01:49:03,680
Speaker 1: Casey just took a damn amateur fight anyone and then

2256
01:49:03,720 --> 01:49:06,640
Speaker 1: grind you that shit out. Luke. He's more man than

2257
01:49:06,640 --> 01:49:07,720
Speaker 1: I am, I'll tell you that much.

2258
01:49:08,520 --> 01:49:10,599
Speaker 2: He's he's the best, and I had a good chance

2259
01:49:10,600 --> 01:49:12,360
Speaker 2: to work with him for many years as well. He is.

2260
01:49:13,360 --> 01:49:16,000
Speaker 2: He's just as talented as anybody in this industry, and

2261
01:49:16,040 --> 01:49:19,240
Speaker 2: probably more so. And I'm really happy for him. On

2262
01:49:19,280 --> 01:49:20,719
Speaker 2: the on the uglier side of things.

2263
01:49:21,880 --> 01:49:24,400
Speaker 1: Frank Trigg. Frank Trigg was the referee. How cool is

2264
01:49:24,439 --> 01:49:27,240
Speaker 1: that if your casey lighting Frank Frank Trigg is your referee,

2265
01:49:27,400 --> 01:49:28,559
Speaker 1: That's pretty cool.

2266
01:49:28,640 --> 01:49:31,240
Speaker 2: That's pretty cool. Uh, Last, but not least, for ABC,

2267
01:49:31,600 --> 01:49:34,479
Speaker 2: there was a big problem with Glory eighty. For all

2268
01:49:34,520 --> 01:49:37,720
Speaker 2: of the jokes about the fight between Thor and Eddie

2269
01:49:37,800 --> 01:49:40,519
Speaker 2: and whatever else and and stuff we see and all

2270
01:49:40,560 --> 01:49:43,600
Speaker 2: the comical stuff, Glory eighty had a card. Uh. I

2271
01:49:43,600 --> 01:49:45,800
Speaker 2: gotta find a way exactly where it was. This is

2272
01:49:45,800 --> 01:49:47,519
Speaker 2: what you can see. They got to the co main event,

2273
01:49:47,520 --> 01:49:51,639
Speaker 2: which involved batter Harry, but then a riot broke out

2274
01:49:51,920 --> 01:49:54,600
Speaker 2: inside the arena. I believe they were in the Netherlands. Up,

2275
01:49:54,640 --> 01:49:56,560
Speaker 2: I'll double check that it could be Belgium. I forgive me.

2276
01:49:56,560 --> 01:49:57,960
Speaker 2: I should I should have had that detail in front

2277
01:49:57,960 --> 01:50:00,439
Speaker 2: of me. But as you can see here, chair start

2278
01:50:00,439 --> 01:50:03,439
Speaker 2: being thrown and then people start streaming for the exits.

2279
01:50:04,280 --> 01:50:05,760
Speaker 2: I don't know exactly. I mean, look at the one

2280
01:50:05,800 --> 01:50:08,040
Speaker 2: guy standing to the bottom left of the screen. This giant,

2281
01:50:08,080 --> 01:50:10,519
Speaker 2: bricked up dude's probably on all the steroids. I don't

2282
01:50:10,520 --> 01:50:12,439
Speaker 2: know who he is. But what I'm trying to make

2283
01:50:12,439 --> 01:50:16,360
Speaker 2: here is this got ugly quickly. They had to stop everything,

2284
01:50:16,520 --> 01:50:20,400
Speaker 2: cancel the remainder of the card, and at the request

2285
01:50:20,479 --> 01:50:23,160
Speaker 2: of the local security and police team. And I mean, dude,

2286
01:50:23,200 --> 01:50:25,280
Speaker 2: this is bad. I don't know. I don't know what

2287
01:50:25,479 --> 01:50:27,599
Speaker 2: generated it. I don't know who it was between There's

2288
01:50:27,600 --> 01:50:30,320
Speaker 2: still a lot of unanswered questions, and I feel terrible

2289
01:50:30,360 --> 01:50:33,080
Speaker 2: for Glory, who you know, I'm sure did not want this.

2290
01:50:33,720 --> 01:50:36,360
Speaker 2: But it goes to show man security at these events

2291
01:50:36,360 --> 01:50:40,160
Speaker 2: sometimes is a thin veneer of what it actually should be. Yeah,

2292
01:50:40,240 --> 01:50:41,719
Speaker 2: and it looks like that's what happened here.

2293
01:50:42,360 --> 01:50:44,760
Speaker 1: This looks like bo Galata, which you know is a

2294
01:50:44,760 --> 01:50:47,080
Speaker 1: great reference for so many people. Remember that nineteen ninety

2295
01:50:47,120 --> 01:50:51,120
Speaker 1: six heavyweight boxing match disqualification brawl in the crowd and

2296
01:50:51,680 --> 01:50:54,720
Speaker 1: you know Lou Douva's body getting carried out and Jim

2297
01:50:54,800 --> 01:50:57,559
Speaker 1: Lampley not knowing where his daughter was. But Luke, you

2298
01:50:58,439 --> 01:51:01,200
Speaker 1: it could go so bad, so quickly. And that's why

2299
01:51:01,240 --> 01:51:03,840
Speaker 1: I always say, having been there for UFC two twenty nine,

2300
01:51:04,000 --> 01:51:07,040
Speaker 1: having Habib's co manager pinned down on top of my

2301
01:51:07,120 --> 01:51:09,960
Speaker 1: laptop and cuffed, so I was like in it. People

2302
01:51:10,040 --> 01:51:13,080
Speaker 1: jumping barrier left and right. It looked like that thing

2303
01:51:13,160 --> 01:51:15,240
Speaker 1: was going to get swallowed up and become what you

2304
01:51:15,320 --> 01:51:17,920
Speaker 1: just saw on that video screen. And I still say

2305
01:51:17,960 --> 01:51:20,080
Speaker 1: to this day, Luke, UFC got lucky. That shit got

2306
01:51:20,360 --> 01:51:24,559
Speaker 1: got handled quick because you get fight crowd versus crowd

2307
01:51:24,640 --> 01:51:28,840
Speaker 1: with differing backgrounds. You know, you know, nationality wise, you

2308
01:51:28,840 --> 01:51:31,680
Speaker 1: know whatever I mean in the shit that was talked it.

2309
01:51:32,760 --> 01:51:37,200
Speaker 1: That's bad for business, Luke, anytime you anytime customer safety

2310
01:51:37,240 --> 01:51:38,840
Speaker 1: in question, that's real bad for business.

2311
01:51:38,880 --> 01:51:41,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you gotta remember kickboxing has a weird history

2312
01:51:41,439 --> 01:51:43,280
Speaker 2: in the Netherlands too, where there was a lot of

2313
01:51:43,320 --> 01:51:46,080
Speaker 2: tie ins historically with organized crime. Obviously, Glory has tried

2314
01:51:46,080 --> 01:51:48,680
Speaker 2: to clean that up and has had some success with it.

2315
01:51:48,720 --> 01:51:51,439
Speaker 2: But when you have barbarians throwing chairs at your events,

2316
01:51:51,600 --> 01:51:53,599
Speaker 2: you know, it's not going to make regulators look upon

2317
01:51:53,640 --> 01:51:56,479
Speaker 2: it favorably. So we'll see what happens.

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Speaker 1: Dude, I was at that crea. Don't forget in two

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01:51:59,560 --> 01:52:02,360
Speaker 1: thousand too, Luke, I was at the Guns and Roses

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01:52:02,400 --> 01:52:05,280
Speaker 1: riot in Philadelphia when Axel never made the plane trip.

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Speaker 1: Don't forget that. Okay, never forget.

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01:52:07,120 --> 01:52:08,800
Speaker 2: I won't b see. I really do have to get

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01:52:08,800 --> 01:52:10,719
Speaker 2: out here because I have a plane I gotta catch

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01:52:10,760 --> 01:52:14,280
Speaker 2: because we are taking our talents to South Beach Health.

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Speaker 2: We have some stuff and some meetings planned Tomorrow. We

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Speaker 2: were gonna do a live show, I believe from CBS

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Speaker 2: on Wednesday, if memory serves. I'm excited. I'm excited. I

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Speaker 2: will see you probably a little later tonight or tomorrow morning.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's gonna be a great time. We're gonna pump

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01:52:26,560 --> 01:52:29,880
Speaker 1: out some really fun content in and around Wednesday's MK episode.

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01:52:29,920 --> 01:52:32,439
Speaker 1: We're gonna meet by the way and really plot the future.

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01:52:33,080 --> 01:52:35,320
Speaker 1: There's our handles below if you want to follow us

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01:52:35,520 --> 01:52:38,920
Speaker 1: like the video, subscribe on YouTube. It really does go

2334
01:52:39,000 --> 01:52:41,000
Speaker 1: a long way, just like when we put you out

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Speaker 1: there to vote for all these awards. So this stuff

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01:52:43,080 --> 01:52:46,360
Speaker 1: sort of, you know, it dots the ies, crosses the

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Speaker 1: t's so to speak, in us doing this on a

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Speaker 1: much bigger level, and that's what we want to do

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Speaker 1: for you. So thank you for the support everyone out there.

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Speaker 1: I look forward to next seeing you Wednesday, eleven am

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Speaker 1: Eastern on YouTube from Fort Lawerdale, Florida. Let's do it.

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Speaker 1: You can buy our merch at Morning Coombat dot store. Luke.

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01:53:04,000 --> 01:53:07,360
Speaker 1: We just talked to RJ R j Duncle Crank and

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01:53:07,439 --> 01:53:11,600
Speaker 1: the merch Maven shit's moving. So if you want to

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01:53:11,640 --> 01:53:14,799
Speaker 1: get that MK tube Morning Tube?

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Speaker 2: Is that what they're calling that, Luke, I don't know.

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01:53:18,080 --> 01:53:19,160
Speaker 2: I haven't talked to RJ.

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01:53:19,360 --> 01:53:22,439
Speaker 1: Balls a shaven you want that filthy gross shirt right there?

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01:53:22,479 --> 01:53:24,479
Speaker 1: That RJ's you know, the nerve of r J. Luke

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Speaker 1: to go.

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01:53:25,120 --> 01:53:27,040
Speaker 2: You know what, I've got to catch a plus I'm

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Speaker 2: going to gamble to catch it.

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01:53:28,520 --> 01:53:31,080
Speaker 1: That our listeners are degenerates and want this piece of

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01:53:31,080 --> 01:53:34,160
Speaker 1: clothing on them. I'm gonna gamble right that that's the case.

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Speaker 2: I know. It wasn't like we had a long meeting

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01:53:36,200 --> 01:53:38,439
Speaker 2: about it. It just showed up. We're like, okay, let's

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01:53:38,800 --> 01:53:41,519
Speaker 2: see how this goes. Showtime is the label that pays

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01:53:41,520 --> 01:53:43,479
Speaker 2: Showtime dot com get a thirty day free trial. If

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01:53:43,520 --> 01:53:44,920
Speaker 2: you like it, you can keep it. If not, pound

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01:53:45,000 --> 01:53:47,320
Speaker 2: sand we got the cost of Zoom. Sorry, timsu I

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Speaker 2: should say and Toego schefit coming up very soon, So

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01:53:50,040 --> 01:53:51,040
Speaker 2: if you want to take a look at that, you

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Speaker 2: gotta get it on Showtime. For Brian Campbell from Malka,

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01:53:54,320 --> 01:53:57,879
Speaker 2: for CBS, Sports, for Athletic Greens and everyone else involves Showtime.

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Speaker 2: That's Brian Campbell. I'm Luke Thomas We will see y'all Wednesday.

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Speaker 2: I'll have extra credit out later tonight, maybe tomorrow morning,

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Speaker 2: And until then, may all of your gains be loyal