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Speaker 2: Into the zome for the touchdown.

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Speaker 3: Hollywood Brown has been spectacular. Connor to the five and

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Speaker 3: end of the end.

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Speaker 2: Zone for the touchdown.

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Speaker 3: Problem solved touchdown, Tyler Murray. That defender is in multiple pieces.

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Speaker 1: All that was nasty right there right the latest news

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Speaker 1: and notes from the insiders who cover the team.

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Speaker 2: Bring it on, Break it on.

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Speaker 3: Touchdown Saving Hollin slammed the ground by fooda baker like

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Speaker 3: a torpedo. He came flying into the backfield.

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Speaker 2: H skirting nobody.

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Speaker 1: Here's Paul Calvic.

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Speaker 3: Alignment and assignment never more important than this edition of

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Speaker 3: it is multi media, Danny, your camera's right there. Okay,

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Speaker 3: there you go. I'm apparently on this camera, Darren to

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Speaker 3: be determined. I guess you just you know, you have

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Speaker 3: the benefit of both at any moment. As we are

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Speaker 4: Darren gets both cameras because both sides are as good side.

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Speaker 3: There you go, and let me just say there are

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Speaker 3: dues and don'ts Okay, At no point do we have

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Speaker 3: product placement like the Angry Bird Award here. I mean,

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Speaker 3: you know that's that's just not a good good ball

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Speaker 3: right now, you know, or maybe the winner's trophy, which

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Speaker 3: might be awarded towards the end of this edition of

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Speaker 3: Cardinals Underground. At no point are we going polly props

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Speaker 3: with any sort of product placement whatsoever.

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Speaker 4: Okay, Danny, whatever you say, Paul.

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Speaker 3: Although everyone can see how exactly you can figure your

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Speaker 3: sweatshirt for finally, people.

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Speaker 2: Can see only on YouTube. Again, some people might be

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Speaker 2: consuming this the old fashioned way and then they won't

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Speaker 2: be on this today.

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Speaker 4: I've got like a hair clip in, so just be

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Speaker 4: a lot of work to like take that out and

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Speaker 3: By the way, before we get into this Seattle game,

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Speaker 3: the Seattle road trip, was there or was there not?

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Speaker 3: The Sushi Palooza event on this Saturday.

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Speaker 2: Night there was? You chose not to come?

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Speaker 3: Well, I had another assignment of prior engagement. I was

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Speaker 3: on assignment, let's put it that way, with our old

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Speaker 3: radio producer Yoda in the instown of Seattle. So we

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Speaker 3: were out there. So how did it go? Let me

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Speaker 3: just cut to the chase. Was Grayson?

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Speaker 2: There?

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Speaker 3: Was Grayson there?

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Speaker 2: Grayson was there? Okay, copious amounts of sushi as usual.

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Speaker 3: For those who don't know whatuld we compare metabolism to

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Speaker 3: Last year? I think it was a hummingbird. No, No,

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Speaker 3: that can't be right, is it this year? This year,

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Speaker 3: I think we're going to compare her metabolism to cocaine bear.

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Speaker 3: That would be the twenty twenty three comparison. I mean,

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Speaker 2: That better be clipped for Gray defy?

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Speaker 4: Are you allowed to say that you've never.

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Speaker 3: Seen someone defy the scouting report like Grayson?

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Speaker 2: I mean, here's a reason her nickname is fat Gray,

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Speaker 3: It's just the opposite, you know. So anyway, I'm just curious.

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Speaker 4: Cocaine probably shouldn't.

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Speaker 4: And he's not in the hallways where people can hear you.

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Speaker 3: No, we have actual news that we're going to get

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Speaker 3: to here, right, off the top. Okay, and we'll since

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Speaker 3: we're all waiting on Kyler, we'll wait to talk about Kyler.

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Speaker 3: Let's deal with front burner right here, right now, zach Ertz,

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Speaker 3: I are yes, Okay, did you see that one coming?

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Speaker 2: I did not know. That was a little surprising to me.

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Speaker 4: I don't I wonder at what point he got hurt

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Speaker 3: I did not see anything on the sideline. In fact,

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Speaker 4: And you know, pregame I was over there when zach

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Speaker 2: Actually, you know who did like the sign?

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Speaker 3: Juilliards that's good. So okay, there's that. There's Kavon Wallace,

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Speaker 3: show a hands again. Who saw that coming? As Kavon

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Keavon Wallace had played. Now in the five games

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Speaker 2: Buddha missed that, It's understandable. But in the five games

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Speaker 2: Buddha was out, Keavon Wallace played one hundred percent of

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Speaker 2: Dot dot dot?

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Speaker 2: See? That would be unless it's something untoward, which I

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Speaker 2: would be less about Jalen Thompson for me, because Keima

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Speaker 2: Wallace was on this roster before Jalen and Buddha got hurt.

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Speaker 2: that makes more sense to me. And eventually, although I

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Speaker 2: don't think it's this weak, Danny, you'll need a roster

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Speaker 4: But now there is a roster spot, which I wasn't

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Speaker 4: going to bring up because Paul said we were gonna

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Speaker 4: wait to talk about Kyler Murray.

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Speaker 2: Sorry, no, sometimes things flow.

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Speaker 3: We're getting there. We're getting there, okay, So all right,

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Speaker 3: there's that. And then Blake Whiteheart has been elevated to

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Speaker 2: End from the practice squad, which makes sense. They want

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Speaker 3: The roster, regardless of injury or not. Dare we say

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Speaker 3: Trey McBride is tight end one right now?

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Speaker 2: Oh? I don't think there's a right? Yeah? Yeah? Oh

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Speaker 2: you say regardless regardless of injury.

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Speaker 3: Even if zach Ertz was one hundred percent healthy, Trey

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Speaker 3: McBride is tight end was thrown into week eight, he's playing.

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Speaker 4: I think there's a difference. He's playing like it. I

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Speaker 4: we've seen from Dray McBride, is that maybe he's had

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Speaker 2: It was thirty five to thirty five this past weekend.

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Speaker 3: Interesting what we say last week and Cardinals Underground that

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Speaker 3: Trey McBride's the only tight end on this roster who's

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Speaker 3: not going down on first contact, who's actually breaking tackles

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Speaker 2: Or hurdling them.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and then he ripped off that gallop with complete

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Speaker 2: So you know what.

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Speaker 3: Obviously he's only in year two and his production was

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Speaker 3: there definitely appears to be upside and Trey McBride's game.

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Speaker 3: So without zach Ertz, guess what, flex him out, Get

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Speaker 3: him downfield, get him a bunch of targets, Let's see

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Speaker 3: what he can do. Get him the ball in space.

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Speaker 3: For Pete's sake. He's making dudes miss, he's running guys over.

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Speaker 3: That would be one thing, you know, Paully pigskin that

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Speaker 3: kelvc consulting over here. I would say, hey, Trey McBride,

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Speaker 3: Wilson at this point, even if he's covered, he's open,

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Speaker 3: he's strong enough with the point of attack, he's big enough.

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Speaker 3: Just throw him the dang ball at this point. And

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Speaker 3: then number three, after watching Hollywood Brown, I didn't watch

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Speaker 3: the film, but just field level, I kept half an

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Speaker 3: eye on Hollywood Brown most of that game, and most

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Speaker 3: of that game he was schooling Tarik Woollen, who was

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Speaker 2: I think Hollywood Brown's having a really good season. The

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Speaker 2: it asn't necessarily connected with Josh Dobbs enough. But this

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Speaker 2: guy that's going to have his contract run out, he's

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Speaker 3: I mean, if I'm a GM, you're getting towards trade

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Speaker 3: you're looking at Hollywood Brown's numbers so far this year, like, okay,

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Speaker 3: watch the film. He's consistently open, he's consistently beating some

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Speaker 4: I'm wondering at this point, when Hollywood Brown is deep

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Speaker 4: and he's creating enough space, is the problem chemistry or

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Speaker 4: is it accuracy? Are we seeing what we can see

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Speaker 4: that connection has been there before. Maybe it's not so

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Speaker 2: Well, you didn't even include protection, which I think that's

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Speaker 2: I thought Josh Dobbs looked off at the beginning of

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Speaker 3: I mean, look, there are two ways you can shut

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Speaker 3: Number one, poor o line play. Right, your offense is

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Speaker 3: going nowhere. I don't care if you have three Pro

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Speaker 3: And then number two, an inaccurate quarterback. If you have

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Speaker 3: Well, the longest Josh Dobbs completion in that Seattle lost

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Speaker 3: But to your point earlier, but you found that humorous there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, sixty seven to seven this season in the fourth quarter.

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Speaker 3: Is that just attrition? You know, the Cardinals roster as

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Speaker 2: Doesn't it feel though, when you're seven games in that

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Speaker 4: You said that so smoothly, Thank you very much.

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Speaker 2: And from what I.

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Speaker 3: So why blitz of Josh Dobbs. We're going to rush

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Speaker 4: I feel like some of the mistakes from Dobbs have

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Speaker 4: two games where you can see two receivers running similar routes,

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Speaker 4: It's not the same without Connor. And there's a reason

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Speaker 2: The thing I noticed, like the twenty five yard touchdown run.

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Speaker 2: they were the first month of the season, and you

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Speaker 3: Or are they not respecting the play action game as much?

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Speaker 2: And honest questions, I don't know these. I also think

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Speaker 3: It's pretty obvious. I mean, he is a good quote,

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Speaker 3: But it's all those other things that don't show up

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Speaker 4: I'm sure it'll be similar to the Buddha Baker return

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Speaker 3: Danny's trying to segue again to Kyler and again.

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Speaker 4: We're saying, or to Buddha, We're gonna so, yeah.

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Speaker 3: Let's take the Buddha segue. We on Big Red Rage.

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Speaker 3: The communication is always better when Buddha is out there,

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Speaker 3: alignment and assignment of the secondary, and I'm guessing a

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Speaker 3: lot of that had to do with Baker.

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Speaker 2: Well, I don't disagree with that. It was interesting that

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Speaker 2: I think they had a season nine five guys play

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Speaker 2: all one hundred percent of the defensive snaps and Josh

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Speaker 2: Woods only missed like ten maybe eight, so he was

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Speaker 2: in there almost the entire time too. And when you've

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Speaker 2: take into account that three of those they're using defensive

443
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Speaker 2: linemen and outside linebackers who they rotate all the time,

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Speaker 2: you're basically you're keeping the same unit on there. You're

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Speaker 2: not having you're not moving guys in and out. So

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Speaker 2: it's I mean, that just kind of tells me, Okay,

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Speaker 2: do you want to get more into a settled place

448
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Speaker 2: where both your cornerbacks are playing all the time and

449
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Speaker 2: both your safeties are playing all the time, and if

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Speaker 2: you bring in a nickel guy, it's Garrett williams now

451
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Speaker 2: and you just keep it more settled rather than trying

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Speaker 2: to get multiple people in there.

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Speaker 4: Before the game. Rallis called Buddha Baker last week an eliminator.

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Speaker 4: He doesn't just do his job. Having him out on

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Speaker 4: the field eliminates a lot of the other problems for

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Speaker 4: the defense really in the secondary because of how much

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Speaker 4: ground Baker covers. We saw that there was there was

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Speaker 4: a tackle I think it was early on maybe the

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Speaker 4: first quarter, where there was a guy running out close,

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Speaker 4: close to being out of bounds, and Buddha just shut

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Speaker 4: up out of nowhere and he was the one to

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Speaker 4: tackle him and take him out of bounds. And that's

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Speaker 4: what you have from Buddha and talking to Garrett Williams

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Speaker 4: after the game, talking to Kaiser White this week of

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Speaker 4: hearing their perspectives of how having Buddha out there really

466
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Speaker 4: does impact their game, and Kaiser said, I know that

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Speaker 4: if I miss a tackle, they're not getting much further

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Speaker 4: because Buddah is going to be right there to wrap

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Speaker 4: him up.

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Speaker 3: Well, I've told Buddha and Jelle and Thompson one thing

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Speaker 3: I always take away from August from preseason games or

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Speaker 3: what it looks like when those two are not out there. Unfortunately,

473
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Speaker 3: Cardinals had to play regular season games without those two guys.

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Speaker 2: Multiple regular season games on them.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was the first time. I didn't know this

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Speaker 3: either until last week and it might have been you

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Speaker 3: on easy. Cardinals dot Com pointed at this first time

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Speaker 3: he's ever been on ir Buddha Baker in his career.

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Speaker 2: I mean, well, he never missed.

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Speaker 3: Just think about it. He didn't miss any games until

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Speaker 3: he missed the last two last year. Well, he missed

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Speaker 3: that one game Week four at Carolina a couple of

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Speaker 3: years ago.

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Speaker 2: And the defense missed game.

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Speaker 3: Yes, it was discombobulated, the old thing. So did the

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Speaker 3: defense play well enough for the Cardinals to beat Seattle?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 4: Yes, right then will you win the turnover battle three

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Speaker 4: to nothing?

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Speaker 2: That's my other favorite start of the week that I

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Speaker 2: looked up.

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Speaker 4: You get three points off three ton over.

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Speaker 2: Since nineteen seventy the merger, the famous merger but Danny

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Speaker 2: doesn't really know about because that was so far before my.

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Speaker 4: Parents were It was way before my parents even knew each.

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Speaker 2: Other, insisted, nineteen seventy merger AFL NFL. So this is

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Speaker 2: where we're going back to there there. I don't know

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Speaker 2: if this includes last week, last week's games two, nine

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Speaker 2: and twenty five NFL games where one team has had

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Speaker 2: a plus three or better turnover ratio, Okay, the teams

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Speaker 2: with a plus three had won ninety one point three

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Speaker 2: percent of the time.

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Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, Wow, Darren said that. By the way,

504
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Speaker 3: you can tell once again on camera, you can tell

505
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Speaker 3: he has no notes as opposed to me where I

506
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Speaker 3: got stuff everywhere. So you know that separates. That's next

507
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Speaker 3: level by Darren right there coming up with that's.

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Speaker 2: I wasn't gonna humble brag that, but I appreciate you

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Speaker 2: throwing that.

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Speaker 3: Out, you know, and you can violate our role no

511
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Speaker 3: math anytime when you're bringing knowledge like that. Ninety one

512
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Speaker 3: percent of the games teams have been plus three in

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Speaker 3: the turnover category since nineteen seventy. They have won those games.

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Speaker 2: Out of twenty nine hundred games, twenty nine to twenty five.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's not a small sample size.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So let's ask the tough question between now and

517
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Speaker 3: when Kyler gets back, and we'll get to it. Danny

518
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Speaker 3: Isler Murray, do you worry about the defense? Do you

519
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Speaker 3: worry about everyone who's not an offense? Because we've seen

520
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Speaker 3: teams divided in years past. If one side of the

521
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Speaker 3: ball is strugglane and the other side feels like they're

522
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Speaker 3: carrying an in order to amount of the weight, I would.

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Speaker 4: Say no, because it feels like everybody truly is on

524
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Speaker 4: the same page with the culture that's being set in

525
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Speaker 4: this new staff and in the first year. If you

526
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Speaker 4: had asked me this, maybe last year when the team

527
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Speaker 4: was made up of longtime veterans, it didn't really feel

528
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Speaker 4: like you were having to prove yourself in the same

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Speaker 4: way of whether that's the staff that was here or

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Speaker 4: having so many veterans here and so much of the

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Speaker 4: turnover from that team having success recently, I would say, yeah,

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Speaker 4: that would probably be a concern. I don't see that now.

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Speaker 4: It doesn't feel like we're getting a bunch of bolognay.

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Speaker 4: When the players are talking at the podium or in

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Speaker 4: front of their locker talking about morale has not dropped.

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Speaker 4: It really does seem genuine. It really does seem genuine

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Speaker 4: that people have bought in to what this staff is

538
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Speaker 4: giving them. And I think too, there have been times

539
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Speaker 4: where the offense has played well enough to win and

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Speaker 4: it's been on the defense more so earlier on in

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Speaker 4: the year. This isn't a situation where the defense is

542
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Speaker 4: balling out and it's the offense just completely dropping the ball.

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Speaker 4: I mean, the defense is playing well enough, but it's

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Speaker 4: not so completely lopsided in my mind to where you

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Speaker 4: would have any sort of riff in the locker room.

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Speaker 2: I was going to be a little more succinct than that.

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Speaker 3: Go ahead.

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Speaker 4: Is that necessary?

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Speaker 2: No, it wasn't. It was mean.

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Speaker 4: Actually, So now we're back on YouTube and all of

551
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Speaker 4: a sudden, Darren's just we're back.

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Speaker 2: We were never on YouTube.

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Speaker 4: Sorry, so now we're on YouTube and all of a sudden, Darren's.

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Speaker 2: Just does not earn a trophy for that. I would

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Speaker 2: just say, if I'm if I'm on the offense, I'm

556
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Speaker 2: like the Giants game, the forty nine Ers game. Like true, Oh,

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Speaker 2: I don't think there's a riff just because of the

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Speaker 2: last part of what Danny said. Mostly I agree. I

559
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Speaker 2: agree that I think this team is built better to

560
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Speaker 2: withstand that. But I also believe, like there's been plenty

561
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Speaker 2: of issues with the defense at different times, that there's

562
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Speaker 2: no way you can you could take the moral high

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Speaker 2: ground at this point.

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Speaker 3: Can I also say there would be zero tolerance for

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Speaker 3: that sort of dynamic, And that's also true a number

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Speaker 3: of players where you've wondered, man, why is that guy

567
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Speaker 3: no longer a part of the Arizona Cardinals roster and

568
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Speaker 3: no longer an uniformer in the locker room. Well, maybe

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Speaker 3: look beyond just the football performance aspect, because they're building

570
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Speaker 3: something that goes beyond the field. And if you don't

571
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Speaker 3: fit the mold of what they're looking for in the

572
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Speaker 3: locker room, then you won't be around very long. And

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Speaker 3: to answer that, to fill in the blank, I think

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Speaker 3: they're just looking for players who are deadly serious about

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Speaker 3: the game of football.

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Speaker 4: Not only that, every team will tell you they are

577
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Speaker 4: looking for high character plays. Does every team mean that

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Speaker 4: in the sense that they truly value that and that

579
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Speaker 4: is a high priority for them. No, that's that's fine,

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Speaker 4: That's not the case here. It truly is a high

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Speaker 4: priority to have the right type of person, the right

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Speaker 4: type of player. And I don't mean that in the

583
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Speaker 4: sense of your technique on the field. Rather, what you're saying, Paul,

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Speaker 4: is that passion to play the game and play it

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Speaker 4: with a team mentality.

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Speaker 2: What about what about in this podcast room? Is this

587
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Speaker 2: is are we just paying lip service to high cary?

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Speaker 4: You don't, I mean, truly, you were just putting on

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Speaker 4: a show for the cameras. My goodness, Look.

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Speaker 3: As soon as the red light goes on Darren brings it,

591
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Speaker 3: so who cares what he does the other six days

592
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Speaker 3: of the week as long as the performance is there

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Speaker 3: on game day.

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Speaker 2: This has nothing to do with cameras, because I would

595
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Speaker 2: say similar things every other podcast.

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Speaker 3: Fine, I think he's a little triggered because he doesn't

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Speaker 3: have his own camera. Any that could be it, that

598
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Speaker 3: could be it? You do and I do you know,

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Speaker 3: I can tell you right now. He writes down these

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Speaker 3: notes and I don't know if there's so much show

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Speaker 3: notes as demand. I think their demands. I think one

602
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Speaker 3: of the if he really got into his phone and

603
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Speaker 3: there'd be one. I need my own camera, and that's

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Speaker 3: going to be taking up with Jim Moundre at the

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Speaker 3: end of this edition of Cardinals Underground. We'll see about that.

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Speaker 3: We'll see if there's one here next week. Then you know,

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Speaker 3: I'm right.

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Speaker 4: Which sidebar did you notice on the bus ride? Because

609
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Speaker 4: Omo pointed this out to me to the stadium. There

610
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Speaker 4: was a building and it on the top of it,

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Speaker 4: the letter I said, Pacific Office Automation and points to

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Speaker 4: me to look across the bus out the window, and

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Speaker 4: I was like, oh my.

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Speaker 2: Goodness, Settle, yeah, okay, there you go.

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Speaker 3: You guys will do a road trip. Why do you

616
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Speaker 3: guys bury the leader? You know you should use that

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Speaker 3: as the as the sponsor mentioned right off the top.

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Speaker 3: So okay, uh, here we go, Kyler Murray in three two.

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Speaker 4: Let me roll up my sleeves.

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Speaker 3: You know how I know that Kyler is close to being.

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Speaker 4: Back because I said so, Because I did.

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Speaker 3: As I did an interview with Michael Wilson last week

623
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Speaker 3: on the TV side, and he said at the end

624
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Speaker 3: of the interview that Kyler had recently walked over to

625
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 3: the receivers and said, when he's healthy, he's gonna smoke

626
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 3: almost all the receivers in a foot race. So that's

627
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Speaker 3: how you know Kyler is back. And the bravado and

628
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 3: the confidence because he's right. Other than Hollywood Brown, maybe

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Speaker 3: Rondel Moore, he's probably the third fastest guy.

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Speaker 2: Okay, wait a minute, that's only that's like half of

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Speaker 2: the receiver front.

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Speaker 3: You know what, I take back to Rondell Moore because

633
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Speaker 3: Rondelle Moore lost to Josh Dobbs on the next Gen

634
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Speaker 3: stats up on the up on the big board, he

635
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 3: ran nineteen point two and Josh Dobbs ran nineteen point

636
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Speaker 3: eight eight. In the Giants game. I think it was. So,

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Speaker 3: you know, I take that.

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Speaker 2: When the cocaine bear is chasing and you're gonna run fastest, right,

639
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 2: don't let Grayson into the race.

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Speaker 3: So Kyler interesting to see, you know, for example, And

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Speaker 3: I thought this was an apt question by a media

642
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 3: member earlier today. With Kyler Murray running the twos against

643
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Speaker 3: the ones, isn't that a great look for your starting

644
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 3: defense with Lamar Jackson coming to town? That if Kyler Murray, Now,

645
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Speaker 3: if we're to believe what Jonathan Gannon tells the media

646
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Speaker 3: that he's quote full go, then why not dial up

647
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 3: some Lamar Jackson s plays? Because if there's one quarterback

648
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Speaker 3: in the NFL who can match the athleticism of Lamar Jackson,

649
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Speaker 3: it is Kyler Murray.

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Speaker 4: This is very different, a very different challenge from the

651
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Speaker 4: other mobile quarterbacks that this Cardinals defense has faced this year.

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Speaker 4: There's just there's very few quarterbacks like Lamar in the league,

653
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Speaker 4: and I would say that Kyler is one of them.

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Speaker 4: When you look at the rest of the Ravens offense

655
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 4: pretty stacked, and when you have a quarterback like Lamar

656
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 4: who can beat you in almost every way. And I'm

657
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 4: not just saying beat you as in the Cardinals, but

658
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 4: every defense of he's got the arm strength, he's got

659
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 4: the accuracy, he can get outside the pocket and extend

660
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 4: plays he can run. I mean, this is going to

661
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 4: be a challenge for a Cardinals defense that, whether it's

662
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 4: in the run or whether it's in the past, it

663
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 4: feels like one aspect of their defense has been picked

664
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Speaker 4: on week after week.

665
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Speaker 3: Lamar Jackson is what we talked about Kyler Murray, and

666
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 3: the reason he was the number one pick in the

667
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 3: draft is because Lamar Jackson is now and I realized

668
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 3: he was a twenty nineteen MVP. But he is truly,

669
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 3: genuinely a passing quarterback who can run, not a running

670
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 3: quarterback who can pass. If that was the case with

671
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 3: Kyler Murray, he would not have been the number one

672
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 3: pick in the draft. But he was a passing quarterback

673
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 3: who happens to run. Of four to three, that's Lamar

674
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 3: Jackson right now. That's what John Harbaugh has told the

675
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 3: media recently that that's why he was so effective against

676
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 3: Detroit where they started that game leading twenty eight to nothing.

677
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 3: They had four touchdowns before the Lions had a single

678
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 3: first down. The total yards at one point was three

679
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 3: twenty five to thirteen.

680
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 2: Is that bad?

681
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 3: I mean, Lamar Jackson came out well. He ended the

682
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 3: game with a passer rating one fifty five point eight.

683
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 3: Oh so he wasn't perfect, right and so and here

684
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 3: was the Mark Andrews quote, Scottsdale guy quote today was

685
00:31:56,760 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 3: lights out. Those two guys were elite. He meant Lamar

686
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 3: Jackson and the new OC Todd Monkin, who apparently the

687
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 3: play calling the rest of the players said was just exceptional.

688
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 3: And obviously the Lions got the brun of that. They

689
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 3: lost thirty eight to six.

690
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 2: It's always been interesting every time this team has played

691
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson, and I'm trying to They played him in

692
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 2: what twenty seventeen or twenty twenty.

693
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 3: It was week two of Kyler's rookie year twenty nineteen twenty.

694
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 3: Remember that they were it's had a huge game, yet

695
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 3: they were inside the five three times in the kickfield

696
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 3: goals and field goals every time.

697
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 2: And then after that Cliff went for fourth down all

698
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 2: the time. Yeah that's true. But every time I watched them,

699
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 2: I think to myself, Okay, this guy is going to

700
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 2: crush them, and trust me, he played well. That day.

701
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 2: But they were in that game. Oh yeah, the Cardinals

702
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 2: had the ball with a chance to tie the game

703
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 2: in the fourth quarter, couldn't get anything going, but they

704
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 2: were in that game. And it takes me all the

705
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 2: way back, not that they're the exact same kind of player,

706
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 2: but it takes me back to the times that the

707
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 2: Cardinals played Michael Vick Falcons and you know, shutting that

708
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 2: down to a certain extent. It's weird because mon Can

709
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 2: clearly has put the passing game more at the forefront

710
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 2: of what the Ravens are doing. Last week and the

711
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 2: Lions basically dared Jackson to beat them with his arm,

712
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 2: and he said, okay, and he did.

713
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, John Harball was saying that he obviously has

714
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 3: crazy escapability, but instead of taking off and running, he's

715
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 3: now extending the play keeping his eyes downfield. So as

716
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 3: he extends the play five six, seven, eight seconds, it's

717
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 3: impossible to cover that long. And now ex accuracy is

718
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 3: such that in six of seven games this year, he'st

719
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 3: completed seventy plus percent of his passes. And since the merger,

720
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 3: once again, since I'm nineteen seventy, Danny only drew Brees

721
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 3: in twenty eighteen and Kirk Cousins in twenty nineteen have

722
00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 3: started a season with that sort of accuracy that Lamar

723
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 3: Jackson is showing right now. So again, you combine the

724
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 3: athleticism that sort of accuracy, and it's elite, the one

725
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:10,320
Speaker 3: two punch. It's the exact reason why Kyler Murray was

726
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 3: the number one pick in the draft, why he went

727
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:14,799
Speaker 3: to a Pro Bowl twice Offensive Rookie of the Year.

728
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 3: And I do remember that twenty nineteen matchup Darrek. We

729
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 3: went into how many times did we go into that game?

730
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:22,319
Speaker 3: Because it was Kyler's second game ever in the NFL.

731
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 3: We're like, okay, this is the future of the NFL.

732
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:25,359
Speaker 2: Yes, we did.

733
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 3: Lamar Jackson Kyler Murray. So obviously it would be great

734
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:30,440
Speaker 3: to see both of them on the field at the

735
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:32,840
Speaker 3: same time, won't Well.

736
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 2: I don't know.

737
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 3: You're right, we don't know for sure.

738
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:38,319
Speaker 2: Danny is not letting go because she's so desperately wants to.

739
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 4: Releasing Kevon Wallace gives you a roster spot, does it not?

740
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 2: It does? That is true.

741
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:48,279
Speaker 3: See, there's the way that sounded, and then there's this

742
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 3: skeptical look on Darren's face that you can see on video,

743
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:53,399
Speaker 3: so's there's two ways of trees.

744
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 2: You didn't get to hear us on the radio pregame

745
00:34:56,360 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 2: on Sunday, Paul, But there might be some potential leverage

746
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 2: that Danny has over myself and Craig grilu.

747
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 4: Is and Paul.

748
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:06,279
Speaker 3: Oh, hell, if.

749
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 2: Kyler comes back this week, he's kind of lord it.

750
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:12,360
Speaker 4: Over us forever and ever and ever. Is this classified

751
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 4: info or that just that I think that there's a

752
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 4: chance that Kyler comes back this week against the Ravens. Wow, Okay, right,

753
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:22,240
Speaker 4: So then Craig said that I'm optimist. That's the title

754
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 4: that I just. I think it's possible. I do. I

755
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 4: think if he is physically healthy enough.

756
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 3: But wait, he is, the coach says, it'll.

757
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 4: Check great mentally if he feels like he can trust

758
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:42,799
Speaker 4: that knee and he can't trust what he needs to do,

759
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 4: why would you hold him If he feels ready and

760
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:50,399
Speaker 4: you have enough of the playbook at his disposal, even

761
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:52,279
Speaker 4: though we're not going to be told because they don't

762
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:57,440
Speaker 4: want to give us give out any sort of competitive advantage. Realistically,

763
00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 4: when you're talking about a learning curve, the things that

764
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:02,240
Speaker 4: are going to be new for Kyler Murray in his career,

765
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 4: the scheme obviously different types of plays, more play action,

766
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 4: playing under center. You are likely going to have to

767
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:12,719
Speaker 4: ease those aspects into his game. Even if Kyler had

768
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 4: started the year healthy, Right, there's a chance that the

769
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:17,959
Speaker 4: plays at his disposal in week three or four would

770
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 4: have been different from weeks one and two. Just getting comfortable.

771
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 4: If that's going to be the game plan, why, if

772
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 4: he's ready, would you not play him now and just

773
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:29,399
Speaker 4: maybe have him in the shotgun a little bit more right,

774
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 4: Maybe don't have as many design run plays as you

775
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 4: might in a few weeks and get him comfortable. I

776
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 4: truly maybe maybe I'm delusional. Maybe it's the delusion kicking

777
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 4: in because I kind of feel a little crazy that

778
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:44,920
Speaker 4: nobody else thinks it's even remotely possible that with all

779
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 4: this going on, assuming that physically Kyler, his body and

780
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:52,879
Speaker 4: the soreness is doing okay, and he feels ready, why

781
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:55,360
Speaker 4: am I the crazy one that to think that Kyler

782
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:57,879
Speaker 4: Murray could play at State Farm Stadium this week? Look,

783
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 4: conversation and let's just keep let's just keep about me being.

784
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 2: My My question is this and I and I I

785
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 2: brought this. I think I brought this up on the

786
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 2: air Sunday. I'm not I don't remember exactly, but like

787
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 2: my question becomes like, look, Josh Dobbs is a guy.

788
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:21,879
Speaker 2: We were just talking about him running the ball, right,

789
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:27,360
Speaker 2: he runs the ball completely different than Kyler does in

790
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 2: a way that's positive for the Cardinals, and with all

791
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 2: due respect to Kyler, even before he suffered a major

792
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:36,320
Speaker 2: knee injury. Like, how many of the yards as Josh

793
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:38,759
Speaker 2: Dobbs picked up that Kyler would not have picked up

794
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 2: because he would have gone down at first chance.

795
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:43,440
Speaker 4: We'll not only that, right, but Dobbs extends plays and

796
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 4: runs forward through the pocket. How many times we've seen

797
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 4: Kyler roll out?

798
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:54,759
Speaker 2: Great example? So I mean, I think I think it

799
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 2: goes beyond maybe knowing some plays. I think it goes

800
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 2: beyond how healthy is I think it also there needs

801
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 2: to be this complete meeting of the mind's over exactly

802
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:08,319
Speaker 2: what's expected when he's on the field and how that's

803
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:10,400
Speaker 2: going to turn out, because I think if you rush

804
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:13,799
Speaker 2: into that too much, I do think that it could

805
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 2: get pretty disastery.

806
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:17,759
Speaker 3: Maybe I'm missing your point, but if you're saying the

807
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:21,919
Speaker 3: only thing that is missing with Kyler's game versus Josh

808
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 3: Dobbs is the straight ahead run game.

809
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 2: No no, no, no, no no, I'm not saying that. I'm just

810
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:30,360
Speaker 2: saying like there's different parts to like, okay, and we

811
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 2: can we can debate this. I obviously Kyler is a

812
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 2: better passer, right sure, But are we saying then that

813
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:41,400
Speaker 2: a lot of these runs that Dobbs is doing, those

814
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:43,319
Speaker 2: probably go away, but then you just make up for

815
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:46,759
Speaker 2: that with the passing. I would hope so, I mean,

816
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 2: I would hope so too, but I would.

817
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:50,919
Speaker 3: Hope that, you know, the passer rating would be way

818
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 3: beyond the fifties.

819
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 2: And so no, no, no, no, no, no, of course that

820
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:56,400
Speaker 2: like I know there's that, But I just mean, in

821
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 2: terms of how you're going to operate this offense, well,

822
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 2: is it going to look drastically different?

823
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 3: Not drastically to Danny's point, I think there will be

824
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 3: more shotgun maybe at least initially perhaps that, but you know,

825
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 3: count to Ingram also told us live on the air

826
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,759
Speaker 3: on The Big Red Rage that Kyler, as part of

827
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 3: the practice sessions last Wednesday and Thursday, was checking at

828
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:19,919
Speaker 3: the line, was calling audibles, yelling at guys, get here,

829
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 3: go there. He had to seem to have a real

830
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 3: mastery of the scheme. And let's remember, you don't need

831
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 3: to know the entire playbook. You just need to know

832
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:31,319
Speaker 3: that one chapter that you're applying that week for that

833
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:35,279
Speaker 3: particular opponent. So I don't think it's here's the other thing.

834
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 3: It'd zoom out a little bit. When Jonathan Gannon was

835
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 3: asked last Wednesday upon announcing that Kyler would be back,

836
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:44,879
Speaker 3: he was asked, well, you know, how did you come

837
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 3: up with the decision. He said, well, it wasn't my decision.

838
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:50,279
Speaker 3: Kyler told me. So if Kyler told the team he

839
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 3: was ready to practice, why can't Kyler tell the team

840
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 3: I'm ready to play?

841
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:57,320
Speaker 4: Am I hearing you correctly that you are on the

842
00:39:57,360 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 4: same side as me that thinking Kyler could play against the.

843
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 3: Ravens because if he's full go physically, because it's just

844
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 3: up to Kyler now mentally if he feels ready to

845
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:07,319
Speaker 3: go or not.

846
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:10,319
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, I will answer your question that you just made,

847
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:13,839
Speaker 2: which is why can't he just say I'm ready to play?

848
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:18,799
Speaker 2: Because Jonathan Gannon specifically said after he said that he

849
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 2: told me, I think I was the one who asked,

850
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:25,400
Speaker 2: But somebody asked, like, is the same Is that the

851
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 2: same process for when he's going to play, and then

852
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 2: Jonathan Gannon backed off and said, well, that's an organizational

853
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:35,480
Speaker 2: decision that he obviously he will have a part in that,

854
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:38,240
Speaker 2: a big part in that, but that is an organizational decision.

855
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:40,879
Speaker 2: So no, I don't think there is an option where

856
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 2: Kyler says I want to go play and then it's

857
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 2: that's a done deal. I think there's a lot more

858
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 2: that goes into it.

859
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 3: But do we know where the organization stands? And I agree,

860
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 3: of course, I agree it's an organization. Okay, I'm not

861
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:55,799
Speaker 3: disputing that it's an organizational decision when he actually goes

862
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 3: out on game day, But how do we know the

863
00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 3: organization isn't more than ready to see him? If he's

864
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 3: full goal and it's not going to get any better

865
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:07,320
Speaker 3: or there's any other clearances to achieve physically, then why.

866
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:11,319
Speaker 2: Isn't that what we're arguing though, that you guys keep

867
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 2: saying if he's full go, if he's full goal, I'm

868
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 2: not arguing that he's that he's that he isn't physically ready.

869
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 2: The whole point of why you would want more practice

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Speaker 2: time is to have more practice time. It's why entire

871
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Speaker 2: teams have training camp. So I get it, but you can't.

872
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:30,880
Speaker 2: You can't sit here and say, well, he knows everything.

873
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Speaker 2: You don't know that. I don't know that, but that

874
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Speaker 2: would be that would be why he wouldn't play it.

875
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:36,760
Speaker 2: But that's my point more practice.

876
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:39,280
Speaker 4: That's my point is under the assumption he doesn't know everything,

877
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:41,759
Speaker 4: and he doesn't need to know everything right now, is

878
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:44,400
Speaker 4: just what you need to know for this week and

879
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:47,239
Speaker 4: be comfortable with that. And the plays that he was

880
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:49,840
Speaker 4: watching and talking with offensive coordinate Drew Pett sying of

881
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 4: this is what I'm going to feel comfortable with. This

882
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 4: is what I like. Getting to two and a half

883
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 4: weeks a practice of this really is what I do

884
00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 4: feel comfortable with. This is what I like. That's my

885
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:01,359
Speaker 4: point is saying, does he understand and have enough at

886
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 4: his disposal of okay, let's make a little bit of

887
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 4: justin right. He won't be under center as much as

888
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 4: Josh Dobbs has been, maybe as much as we like

889
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 4: Kyler terre Be in a few weeks. But he understands

890
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:13,279
Speaker 4: and feels comfortable with enough for him to go out

891
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 4: there and put us in a position to win games.

892
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Speaker 2: I guess for me, we've got and everybody's different. But

893
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 2: you've got Zach Ertz who had the back half of

894
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 2: training camp, and he had at least three weeks before

895
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:32,920
Speaker 2: he got on the field of practice. You had Garrett Williams,

896
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:35,880
Speaker 2: who you gave three weeks of practice too before you

897
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Speaker 2: put him back out on the field. I don't know

898
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:41,279
Speaker 2: why that would be different for Kyler Murray. In fact,

899
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Speaker 2: I would think that out of anybody, he would be

900
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Speaker 2: more likely to have more practice than a cornerback or

901
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Speaker 2: a tight end. And so that would be my argument

902
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 2: right now.

903
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:53,359
Speaker 4: Not a bad argument, I just like mine better. Hmm.

904
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Speaker 3: I just I'm presuming though, as part of this process,

905
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Speaker 3: and maybe they're going to take it as far as

906
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 3: they can the whole three weeks. But if he looked

907
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:05,239
Speaker 3: really good in practice the first week, and he looked

908
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:07,839
Speaker 3: even better the second week in practice, to the point

909
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 3: where they're looking at each other saying, well, what else

910
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:11,840
Speaker 3: can he get out of this without us removing the

911
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 3: non contact jersey? How much more isy to achieve in practice? Man,

912
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:17,479
Speaker 3: So let's go to the game.

913
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Speaker 2: That's fair. But as we record this, he hasn't even

914
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 2: started his second week of practice, So A that we

915
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 2: don't know and B I know we And oh, by

916
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Speaker 2: the way, I know everybody keeps saying he had a

917
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 2: great week of practice, but we don't know they're gonna

918
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:35,720
Speaker 2: say that no matter what. Oh hell, he was terrible.

919
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:39,319
Speaker 3: And oh, by the way, you've scored twenty five points

920
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:41,719
Speaker 3: in your last ten quarters and you're thirty second and

921
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:45,760
Speaker 3: second half scoring and fourth quarter scoring and you know, hey,

922
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 3: in honor of the Ravens. In the most recent Cardinals

923
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 3: folk Tales, why don't you just go with the old

924
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 3: Texas package that they used for Kurt Warner where he

925
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 3: came out and ran the no huddle in relief of

926
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Speaker 3: Matt Lionard once upon a time in two thousand and seven.

927
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Speaker 2: Create another folk Tales create a package. By the way,

928
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Speaker 2: go check out that Folktales Renaissance Man about Kurt Warner.

929
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:07,839
Speaker 2: And there's a new folk Tales coming out this week,

930
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Speaker 2: bird Napped. That's really good. Check that out too.

931
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Speaker 3: Follow that that's you know what, that's I saw our

932
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Speaker 3: Cardinals underground advice to the coaching staff, because I know,

933
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Speaker 3: you know, they're always looking for our advice on how

934
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Speaker 3: to run things, uh Paul, And the advice would be

935
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Speaker 3: it would be to start Josh Dobbs, but bring Kyler

936
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Speaker 3: and off the bench running the no huddle out of

937
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 3: the shotgun, and then if you're trailing going into the

938
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Speaker 3: fourth quarter, just like Kurt Warner did once upon a time,

939
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Speaker 3: you lead a furious comeback and you're race down the

940
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:34,959
Speaker 3: field for a couple of scores in the fourth quarter.

941
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Speaker 4: Or you could start Josh Dobbs and just bring Kyler

942
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 4: out for a fake punt. Is that an option?

943
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:45,840
Speaker 3: We had a dispute. I'm gonna test you guys on

944
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 3: this one soon the was Blake Gillikin on the field

945
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:53,440
Speaker 3: for that punt or not? Was he was the punter

946
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:55,279
Speaker 3: actually on the field at that.

947
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 2: Point, I would have to go back and look. I

948
00:44:57,000 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 2: didn't see it. They were doing that. They executed that literally,

949
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 2: like I'm like, okay, this is the last series I'm

950
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:04,879
Speaker 2: gonna have before I go down to the field. So

951
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:07,239
Speaker 2: they go to go punt and I'm packing everything up

952
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden, that happened, and I'm like,

953
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:12,480
Speaker 2: I'm standing up while I'm typing out the tweet about it,

954
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:14,879
Speaker 2: because I'm like, did I just see what I think

955
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 2: I saw? I do tune through it. That's all I.

956
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:20,720
Speaker 3: Knew because all I know is that the defense Seattle's defense,

957
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 3: or at least punt cover team was was punt return

958
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:26,759
Speaker 3: team was not thrown at all. It was a defensive look.

959
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 2: They had it totally covered.

960
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:31,239
Speaker 3: Yes, So is that because they identified from the get go? Wait,

961
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:33,359
Speaker 3: there's no punter in the huddle, guys, this is going

962
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 3: to be a regular offensive play.

963
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:37,279
Speaker 2: Michael Wilson told me he was not the first read

964
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 2: on that fake punt.

965
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:40,719
Speaker 3: Gotcha? Okay, all right?

966
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:43,719
Speaker 2: Well, which makes feel better when it was fourth and

967
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:45,239
Speaker 2: nine and he caught a four yard pass.

968
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:47,359
Speaker 3: Although what I thought of it originally when they first

969
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 3: ran that was Remember Jeff Rodgers told us a couple

970
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 3: of weeks ago he's got hundreds of faith punts in

971
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:55,359
Speaker 3: his playbook. Wow, somebody asked him, like, what's in.

972
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 2: His hard to say hundreds. I'm not sure he has hundreds.

973
00:45:58,040 --> 00:45:59,239
Speaker 2: I think Jeff might have been.

974
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:06,320
Speaker 3: So yeah, there we go with that. As for Lamar

975
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 3: Jackson and what he's doing this year, it was interesting

976
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:11,920
Speaker 3: to hear Nick Rolis say that he's never gone against

977
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:14,879
Speaker 3: Lamar Jackson because he's, in his words quote, hiding out

978
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 3: in the NFC. It's a good thing, because Lamar against

979
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 3: the NFC all time is sixteen and one as a

980
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:24,280
Speaker 3: starting quarterback. So I mean there are some crazy numbers

981
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:27,400
Speaker 3: on what Lamar Jackson has done and is doing. And

982
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 3: by the way, the Baltimore defense as allowed an NFL

983
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 3: low seven touchdowns this year and they lead the NFL

984
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:34,959
Speaker 3: in sacks with twenty nine.

985
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:38,600
Speaker 2: So you want to go back to talk about why

986
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 2: Kyler's and coming back this week?

987
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:43,719
Speaker 3: Don't But you know, once again, what do you do?

988
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:45,719
Speaker 2: You go out? Do you go again?

989
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 3: Do you go against Cleveland's number one ranked defense? I

990
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 3: don't like that, but look at Cleveland this last week.

991
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 3: They gave up thirty eight points to the Colts, right,

992
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:57,799
Speaker 3: they take it to the forty nine ers, but then Cleveland, right,

993
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:00,359
Speaker 3: So you know we can all talk about on jeez,

994
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 3: you know, on paper, get your Bingo card out on paper.

995
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:05,879
Speaker 3: You know, this team looks like this, but they don't

996
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:07,479
Speaker 3: always play like that week to week.

997
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 4: And to those listening, if anybody has the thought that Kyler,

998
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:13,279
Speaker 4: as soon as Kyler could be ready to come back,

999
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:16,280
Speaker 4: would be against Cleveland, and the reason that the Cardinals

1000
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 4: would hold him out is because of Miles Garrett. That's

1001
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:21,319
Speaker 4: not a good enough reason. I can promise you that

1002
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 4: if everything else is ready, they're not going to keep

1003
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:25,759
Speaker 4: Kyler out of a game for the sole fact that

1004
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 4: the Browns have Miles Garrett on the other side of

1005
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 4: the line of scrimmage and they might be scared of

1006
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:31,840
Speaker 4: what he could do to him. That's not going to

1007
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:32,360
Speaker 4: be a factor.

1008
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:34,920
Speaker 3: That's just so dj Humphreys does not get thrown out

1009
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 3: of that game, okay, when Miles Garett is out there,

1010
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 3: because that was costly. There's no doubt to see your

1011
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 3: franchise left tackle leave the field.

1012
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 2: And especially in the day when you're number one rookie

1013
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:47,239
Speaker 2: right tackle play pretty not good.

1014
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:50,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was interesting to start the second half. Jesse Lucetta,

1015
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 3: who was not active, who was not dressed, was working

1016
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 3: with Paris Johnson Junior on the bench before the second

1017
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:57,960
Speaker 3: act kickoff, and it looked like he was re enacting

1018
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:00,160
Speaker 3: what Boye Mafe had done the end of the first

1019
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:02,520
Speaker 3: have where we had a pressure in a sack took

1020
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 3: the Cardinals out of field goal range, and Luketa was,

1021
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 3: you know, ostensibly showing him, Look, he's doing this and that,

1022
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 3: and he's coming with this sort of long arms stab

1023
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:12,160
Speaker 3: and you gotta he's trying it, because it did look

1024
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 3: like Paris was off balance quite a bit in that game.

1025
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's probably the first game it's it's looked

1026
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 4: like that. It wasn't. It wasn't a great performance by

1027
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:22,760
Speaker 4: the offensive line as a whole. It's not just on Paris.

1028
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:25,720
Speaker 4: And I think that, you know, if you're looking for

1029
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:28,040
Speaker 4: the glass to be half full, the fact that we're

1030
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:29,839
Speaker 4: getting this far in the season and this first time

1031
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:33,400
Speaker 4: you're talking about a rookie right tackle not having his

1032
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 4: best game compared to what we have seen from him

1033
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 4: all season, the bigger picture, I'm I'm still I'm okay.

1034
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 3: With that, all right? Do we miss anything on this

1035
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 3: edition of Cardinals Own the Ground? Anything else? Did you

1036
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:48,359
Speaker 3: see any other Pacific Office automation product placements anywhere else

1037
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:50,839
Speaker 3: along the lines that was well done by the way,

1038
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 3: you know, anything else we need to.

1039
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 2: Did you want to do anything with your props?

1040
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 3: No? I didn't see before. I just thought in case

1041
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 3: people were wondering the angry bird of see, we only

1042
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 3: have one.

1043
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:03,600
Speaker 2: I don't understand, like Danny got up mad at me

1044
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:05,960
Speaker 2: about being on video and doing all these things. Meanwhile

1045
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:08,920
Speaker 2: Paul's bringing stuff in here. We never see it's like QVC.

1046
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:10,960
Speaker 4: You want me to have a problem with Paul. You're

1047
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:13,240
Speaker 4: upset that I don't have a problem with Paul selling

1048
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:13,919
Speaker 4: stuff up here.

1049
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:15,680
Speaker 2: We'll have a problem with Paul sooner enough.

1050
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:16,840
Speaker 3: Grail, who was giving me a hard time because I

1051
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 3: don't actually give out a physical Angry Bird Award every

1052
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:21,920
Speaker 3: week to appoint I want the angry I name them,

1053
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:23,360
Speaker 3: but I don't actually give them the award because we

1054
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Speaker 3: only have one. I mean, what sort of budget do

1055
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 3: you think I have. I don't have seventeen of these.

1056
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 4: You want the Angry Bird Award this week?

1057
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:31,440
Speaker 3: By the way, it went to Garrett Williams.

1058
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:32,719
Speaker 4: Just to let you know, Okay, I guess that's yes.

1059
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:34,200
Speaker 4: You just want the Angry Bird.

1060
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:36,400
Speaker 3: Award and it'll be on the Big Red Rage this

1061
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:39,839
Speaker 3: coming Thursday night at Trophy in Chandlers. So there you go.

1062
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Speaker 3: We'll continued cross promotion here once again, address your camera

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Speaker 3: as we say. That'll do it for this edition of

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