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Speaker 2: It is the Jesse Kelly Show. Another hour of the

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Speaker 2: Jesse Kelly Show on a fantastic Wednesday, And it is

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Speaker 2: time to check out, meaning it's time to check out

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Speaker 2: of current events in the news of the day.

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Speaker 1: I will get back to talk about these things. The

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Speaker 1: talk about Adam Schiff maybe going to prison. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: do some emails, We're gonna do other things, but all

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Speaker 1: that is going to have to wait, because now it

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Speaker 1: is time to do history. I don't know how long.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna take. Maybe a half hour, maybe an hour,

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Speaker 1: but I don't know. It's a longer one like the

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Speaker 1: other ones have been. But let me ask you something.

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Speaker 1: Have you ever have you ever been fascinated with the

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Speaker 1: origin of words, of terms that are commonly used. I'm

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Speaker 1: rarely fascinated by it. I'll be honest with you, as in,

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Speaker 1: discover the origin of a term and I'll be all, Wow,

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Speaker 1: that's amazing. Have you ever used the word deadline. I'm

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Speaker 1: on a deadline. I have a deadline. I'm on a deadline.

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Speaker 1: Would you like to hear where that term came from?

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Speaker 1: You're about to find out today. Now, this is a

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Speaker 1: Civil War story, and so we have to do quite

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Speaker 1: We are going to discuss Andersonville. It was actually officially

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Speaker 1: Camp Sumter. No it's not Fort Sumter, but Camp Sumter,

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Speaker 1: but it's known by the name of the small town

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Speaker 1: in Georgia that is close to where it was located. Andersonville.

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Speaker 1: It was a Confederate prisoner of war camp. That is

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Speaker 1: going to be the subject we're going through today. But

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Speaker 1: the war, the way it went, the way it was

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Speaker 1: you know North facing the South Civil War. A lot

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Speaker 1: probably get in a history class. They don't know that

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Speaker 1: the South never had much of a chance in the

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Speaker 1: would actually compare it to what we've talked about before

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Speaker 1: when it comes to Japan VERSUS America and World War Two.

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Speaker 1: Japan had an excellent frontline. You know, great navy, great

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Speaker 1: Things are going to break. If you can't replace it,

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Speaker 1: You can be a worse fighter, you can even in

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Speaker 1: If you have a great cutting edge and nothing behind it,

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Speaker 1: that way. That's exactly what the South was. Pretty much

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Speaker 1: where you're listening to the sound of my voice. The

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Speaker 1: They had better generals, Robert E. Lee in particular, but

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Speaker 1: not McLellan. He wanted Robert E. Lee. He's like, I

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Speaker 1: And it wasn't that my buddy from Chicago, I've about

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Speaker 1: That it's just different. The South had better troops initially,

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Speaker 1: year eighteen sixty three. Though, okay, don't worry about the date,

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Speaker 1: and there's all this fighting around Richmond, Virginia. Now, we

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Speaker 1: we don't necessarily understand the logistics of food. We'll just

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Speaker 1: you got me there, But where did that food that's

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Speaker 1: itude Jesse Kelly. It is the Jesse Kelly Show talking

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Speaker 1: some Andersonville history tonight. Remember you can email the show

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Speaker 1: get back to politics in just a little bit. So Richmond,

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Speaker 1: ten thousand men, not thirty three thousand men, and there

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Speaker 1: was a flaw in the stream system the Union troops

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Speaker 1: could not possibly hold or could not possibly help. We'll

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Speaker 1: discuss those two things. Before we discuss those two things,

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Speaker 1: let's discuss nutrition, because that's going to come into play

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Speaker 1: here in a moment too. Do you get everything your

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Speaker 1: body needs from what you eat? Then we go ahead

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Speaker 1: and it for you. No, because most people don't. When

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Speaker 1: But Chalk Daily is part of that stack. No matter what.

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Speaker 1: You know that you will see a difference in your life,

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Speaker 1: Show on a wonderful Wednesday, oh Hope day. Doing a

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Speaker 1: little history right now, we'll get back to politics here.

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Speaker 1: I mean guessed ten minutes that hopefully I'll finish this

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Speaker 1: up ten to twenty minutes and then we'll get back

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Speaker 1: to more politics. Talking about Andersonville Pow Camp. Essentially, it

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Speaker 1: was known as Camp Sumter. We call it Andersonville in

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Speaker 1: the South. In World War Two. The camp is supposed

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Speaker 1: to be ten thousand men expanse to thirty three thousand

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Speaker 1: the South. They do bring in some more resources for

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Speaker 1: the camp as far as wood and materials go, but

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Speaker 1: materials are rare and they only use the materials to

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Speaker 1: expand the wall system. Now I mentioned the stream, and

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Speaker 1: I mentioned the diet human beings. We talk about this

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Speaker 1: all the time when we talk about our own nutrition.

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Speaker 1: When I tell you about chalk, when I tell you

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Speaker 1: about rough greens for your dog. You have to have things.

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Speaker 1: You need things. Your body has to have certain vitamins

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Speaker 1: and minerals your diet. You have to have them in there,

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Speaker 1: and if you don't, you will begin to see physical

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Speaker 1: evidence of it. Scurvy. Have you ever heard of scurvy?

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Speaker 1: It's awful. Your gums swell up, your teeth fall out,

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Speaker 1: your mouth bleeds. Why do you get that you don't

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Speaker 1: get vitamin C? It was one of the big struggles

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Speaker 1: of oceanic explorer. Explorers, guys who got on those old

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Speaker 1: sailing chips. How do you keep fruit good long enough

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Speaker 1: so we can get vitamin C in our diet. They

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Speaker 1: may not have known everything we know about medicine, but

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Speaker 1: they knew without fruit, the clock is ticking. We will

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Speaker 1: get sick and die Scurvy. Scurvy becomes everywhere. It spreads

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Speaker 1: like wildfire. And Andersonville another thing that starts to spread

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Speaker 1: like wildfire. There is disease, several different kinds. But for

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Speaker 1: our purposes here, I hope you're not eating. We're going

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Speaker 1: to discuss dysentery. Now. I've had dysentery. That's one of

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Speaker 1: the two parasites I've had. I know that you know

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Speaker 1: what it's like to be physically sick in a way

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Speaker 1: where you have to use the toilet. Okay, I'll just

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Speaker 1: put it that way. I know you know what that's like.

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Speaker 1: Everyone knows what that's like. Everyone's had a bad chili dog, right,

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Speaker 1: I know you know what that's like. I can't stress

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Speaker 1: to you enough when I tell you that is not

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Speaker 1: what dysentery is like. If you took if you took

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Speaker 1: a little midget and you shrunk him down even more

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Speaker 1: so he's a four inch tall midget and you gave

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Speaker 1: him two gigantic swords and then swallowed him. Imagine that

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Speaker 1: little midget jamming his swords into your gut. That's what

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Speaker 1: dysinterior feels like. And when it's time to go, it's

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Speaker 1: not a hold out for five minute type thing. You

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Speaker 1: are in physical agony and you better be at the

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Speaker 1: toilet or it's going to be a problem. And it's

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Speaker 1: not a one off where normally when you get sick

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Speaker 1: in that way, you get sick, and even if you're

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Speaker 1: super sick, you've got twenty minutes half hour before you

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Speaker 1: have to worry about it again. You'll go five minutes later,

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Speaker 1: go again, five minutes later, go again. You can't you

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Speaker 1: can't stop. Now what else it's doing. On top of

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Speaker 1: sucking nutrients out of your body, it's sucking water out

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Speaker 1: of your body, and it's contagious, thirty three thousand men.

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Speaker 1: You can't get to the stream every time you have

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Speaker 1: to go when there's thirty three thousand men. And even if,

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Speaker 1: by the grace of God, you managed to get to

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Speaker 1: the stream, it's not possible for you to locate the

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Speaker 1: exact spot on the stream where you're supposed to go.

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Speaker 1: I had to describe it because I wanted to drive

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Speaker 1: this point home. You're going, no matter what, you are going,

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Speaker 1: stream not stream, whatever you're doing, you are going the

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Speaker 1: midget stabbing you. You are going what the men describe

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Speaker 1: all of them when they arrive in Andersonville. The new

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Speaker 1: Andersonville POWs all of them. Every single thing I read

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Speaker 1: was smell. Andersonville became oh my gosh, I have the scream.

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Speaker 1: He's just thinking about it. Andersonville became a mud bog

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Speaker 1: lot of mud. Could you imagine what it would be

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Speaker 1: like to live in a mud bog of diarrhea? On

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Speaker 1: top of the disgustingness of that, the smell of that,

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Speaker 1: the disease that would spread. You're not getting nutrition, you're

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Speaker 1: not getting water. Now the water you have is already bad.

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Speaker 1: And oh, I meant to mention to you, you know

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Speaker 1: how they had set up that system where the clean

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Speaker 1: waters on one side, and then the laundry and then

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Speaker 1: the toilet. The Confederate Army they set up a camp upstream,

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Speaker 1: and they were using the stream the same way. So

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Speaker 1: even where you thought you were getting clean drinking water,

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Speaker 1: you were still getting the toilet residue from the Confederate

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Speaker 1: camp that was up the way. Do you want to

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Speaker 1: hear a jaw dropping stat before we try to wrap

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Speaker 1: this thing up. We've talked many times about the Jackjapanese

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Speaker 1: in World War Two and their unimaginable cruelty, especially to POW's.

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Speaker 1: Most people know, some don't that if you actually, if

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Speaker 1: you were an American and you were captured by the Nazis,

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Speaker 1: there was very little cruelty. Believe it or not, you

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Speaker 1: were treated quite well. Two percent death rate. They fed you,

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Speaker 1: clothed you, you were warm, you were there. Are are

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Speaker 1: our Allied POWs were treated quite well in Europe. In Japan,

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Speaker 1: you know what, the death rate was twenty six percent.

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Speaker 1: A quarter of them who went in there died. You

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Speaker 1: know what the death rate was in Andersonville twenty nine

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Speaker 1: Andersonville had a death rate that exceeded Japanese pow camps

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Speaker 1: in World War Two, men dying in droves, a third

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Speaker 1: of them gone. The disease was terrible. And then that

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Speaker 1: brings us to maybe the worst part of this whole thing,

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Speaker 1: And it really might be. And I swear I'll try

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Speaker 1: to wrap this up next. What happens when men become desperate,

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Speaker 1: desperate from disease, desperate from hunger, even your disciplined military

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Speaker 1: men with unity. What happens when men become desperate enough.

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Speaker 1: We will talk about that as we wrap this up

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Speaker 1: in a moment. Now, all this talk of vitamins and

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Speaker 1: minerals and digestive issues hopefully has you thinking about rough greens.

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Speaker 1: You know your dog needs those things too. Maybe you

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Speaker 1: don't look at your dog and think, well, his coat

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Speaker 1: is dull because you're with your dog every day. But

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Speaker 1: your dog's coat is dull because your dog doesn't get nutrition.

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Speaker 1: Your dog does not get nutrition from dog food unless

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Speaker 1: you are finding a way to get real nutrition into

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Speaker 1: your dog. Your dog essentially eats fast food every meal,

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Speaker 1: empty calories. Sprinkle roughgreens on your dog's foods so your

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Speaker 1: dog can live longer, so your dog can be healthier.

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Speaker 1: How much money did you spend the last time you

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Speaker 1: had to take him to the vet. What if you

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Speaker 1: didn't have to go was often. That's something else you'll

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Speaker 1: notice when you start giving your dog nutrition. Roughgreens is

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Speaker 1: America's number one dog supplement for a reason. People are

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Speaker 1: up Innersonville next