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Do Gottleb Show 10 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 1: broadcast live every day three to five Eastern twelve two Pacific. 11 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:42,879 Speaker 1: Of course, you get download the podcast soon as this 12 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 1: show is done. We got a bunch to get to. 13 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 1: We got Rick Buker, who's going to join us in 14 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:53,959 Speaker 1: thirty minutes or so, Adam Kapelo and join us next hour. 15 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 1: We'll get you ready for the NFL season with some 16 00:00:57,240 --> 00:01:02,319 Speaker 1: interesting holdouts, hold ins and and whatnot. We got love 17 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:06,399 Speaker 1: and hate for you. We got this continuing involving NFLPA 18 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:11,960 Speaker 1: story really really really interesting in terms of unions and 19 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:15,440 Speaker 1: how some of the strife within the union for the 20 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:19,120 Speaker 1: NFL and NFLPA. And then of course you in college athletics. 21 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:21,959 Speaker 1: Some people think players should join the union. Then you're like, wait, 22 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 1: there's some union issues there. Speaking of unions, I think 23 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 1: I can combined the flaws of the w NBA union 24 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:40,840 Speaker 1: of players with Scotty Scheffler winning the Open Championship. You know, 25 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:47,080 Speaker 1: just bear with me for a second. So Scheffler is 26 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 1: the best player in the world. He wins the Open Championship, 27 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 1: and this on the heels of when Scotty told the 28 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 1: media before the Open, I just don't get a lot 29 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 1: of joy out of it. You know, still like doing 30 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:04,560 Speaker 1: the work, it's all I know. But when we win, 31 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 1: it's like, you know, a couple seconds a high and 32 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:11,679 Speaker 1: then hey, what are we going to eat? And that 33 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 1: didn't I mean, I just didn't land perfectly with me. 34 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:19,960 Speaker 1: But again, that doesn't mean that he couldn't win, or 35 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 1: that we should feel bad about him winning or anything. Right, 36 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:25,519 Speaker 1: there's a certain thing that he has that some of 37 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 1: us strive for, which is kind of a balance in 38 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:31,920 Speaker 1: your life. Things shouldn't matter at work as much as 39 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 1: they do for some of us. But the other side 40 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 1: to it, and this is a really important side to it, 41 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 1: The other side to it is guys that are just 42 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:49,639 Speaker 1: vicious competitors and always looking for the next kill. If 43 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 1: you will again, this is just more sports analogy, or 44 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 1: if you want to make it kind of like an 45 00:02:54,560 --> 00:03:01,120 Speaker 1: animal analogy, or or maybe the biggest thing would not 46 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:04,679 Speaker 1: even be animal analogy, is just Tom Brady, right. Tom 47 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 1: Brady's famous for what's his favorite super Bowl? The next one? 48 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:12,920 Speaker 1: Whereas Scotti Scheffler, Eh, didn't mean that much to me. 49 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 1: But here's what's an issue when you combined the WNBA 50 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 1: and what I felt like was a disastrous weekend the 51 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:26,120 Speaker 1: second straight summer in which they could have done so 52 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 1: many great things to promote their product, to wrap their 53 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 1: proverbial arms around their growing superstar, and yet again, second 54 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 1: straight summer, they tripped on their egos and on all 55 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 1: of the things. They feel like it was done wrong 56 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 1: to them in the past, and it hurt their ability 57 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:53,120 Speaker 1: to shine brightly when nothing else is really shining. But 58 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 1: the big thing is when you get a superstar, learning 59 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 1: how to promote that superstar. And when you were a 60 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 1: superstar like talent in a sport, you do carry a 61 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 1: certain It's just important for you to embrace that and 62 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 1: to find a way to have the game grow with 63 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:18,360 Speaker 1: you like Tiger Woods wasn't perfect, right, obviously far from 64 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 1: and the image that was portrayed to us was only 65 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:25,280 Speaker 1: a fracture of the real image of the real guy 66 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:29,839 Speaker 1: of Tiger Woods. But whether it was Nike, whether it 67 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:34,800 Speaker 1: was his agent, whether it was the time, whether it 68 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:39,680 Speaker 1: was Tiger himself, he took the sports rule by storm. 69 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 1: Let's just be honest. Golf was boring, Golf was rich people. 70 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 1: Golf was old, fat white dudes that could weren't athletic 71 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 1: enough to play a real sport, and they would go 72 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:53,599 Speaker 1: and drink and smoke cigars with their buddies on weekends 73 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:56,279 Speaker 1: and pay gargantuan sums of money that we could ever 74 00:04:56,440 --> 00:05:00,120 Speaker 1: think of paying. And so it was completely unrelatable to 75 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:02,600 Speaker 1: those of us who grew up lower, lower or lower 76 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 1: middle income. 77 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 3: Right. 78 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:06,280 Speaker 1: If you're if you didn't grow up with your well, 79 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:08,839 Speaker 1: your dad at as at a country club, you didn't 80 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 1: grow up with a golf club in your hand until 81 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 1: Tiger Woods became a star. You look at the NBA 82 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:20,719 Speaker 1: and what's been what's been fixed, What's been fixed by 83 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:27,719 Speaker 1: Steph Curry, Lebron James was that gap after Michael Jordan, Right, 84 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:31,560 Speaker 1: And whichever one you like they've helped kind of raise 85 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:34,359 Speaker 1: up the game, probably Steph Curry even more so than Lebron, 86 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 1: even though we'd all agree Lebron is the is the 87 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:44,279 Speaker 1: better overall player. But again, I think the big thing is, 88 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 1: if you look at what's going on in the w 89 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:49,520 Speaker 1: n b A, if you look at what's going on 90 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 1: with Scotti Scheffler, neither of them understand the superstar thing. 91 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:58,039 Speaker 1: For Scheffler, I get it. You don't love golf or 92 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 1: you don't it doesn't bring you the energy that winning 93 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 1: isn't as triumphant, as amazing as you thought it would be. 94 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:11,960 Speaker 1: But because this is it's like, eh, eh, fine, it's 95 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 1: hard for mainstream not golf fans are going to get 96 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:18,719 Speaker 1: behind him because he's amazing and there is something to 97 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:21,599 Speaker 1: the subtle art of not giving a flip, and maybe 98 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:25,839 Speaker 1: that's why he wins when others with similar or maybe 99 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:29,839 Speaker 1: even equal talent fall short. Right, how many times has 100 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:32,479 Speaker 1: Rory fallen short? How many times? You know? How many 101 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 1: times have you go through all of these guys You're like, man, 102 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 1: this guy's an incredible talent. They've won majors, yet they 103 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:40,720 Speaker 1: can't be as consistent as he can be. And maybe 104 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 1: A big reason is it just doesn't care that much, 105 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 1: so it doesn't bother him that much, so he doesn't 106 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:48,880 Speaker 1: carry these nerves and this angst and this anxiety when 107 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:52,719 Speaker 1: he gets to sixteen, seventeen, eighteen, and it's you can 108 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 1: put away tournaments that way. Maybe I don't know, but 109 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:04,840 Speaker 1: it's really hard for us to make golf a thing 110 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 1: like it was with Tiger when the guy doesn't really 111 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 1: embrace or doesn't know how to carry the sport like 112 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:17,680 Speaker 1: his talent says he should. And then conversely, for the WNBA, 113 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 1: they keep pushing against this superstar, doing everything they can 114 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 1: in their power to push against Caitlin Clark as a 115 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 1: superstar as representing their sport, and they don't know how 116 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 1: to do it either. They don't know how to do 117 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:39,240 Speaker 1: it either. Say what you want about the NBA and 118 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 1: the flaws of the NBA, but the fact is it 119 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 1: is a star driven league and they know what they're doing. 120 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:51,239 Speaker 1: NFL the same. And look, not every NFL star wants 121 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 1: to be a star or gets it or embraces it 122 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 1: or whatever, but dynamic personalities that then become the best 123 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:00,400 Speaker 1: or close to the best in the league have to 124 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:02,600 Speaker 1: one be lifted up by everybody in the league. And 125 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:06,679 Speaker 1: then two they have to embrace that themselves and golf 126 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 1: has a chance. You have an amazing player. You've got 127 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 1: a lot of amazing players. But I mean Scotty Scheffer's 128 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:21,640 Speaker 1: numbers and wins incredible. But because he doesn't outwardly says 129 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter that much to him, even if it's 130 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:27,520 Speaker 1: a great place to be in your work life balance, 131 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 1: even if that speaks to gen z Okay, it misses 132 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:38,200 Speaker 1: the mark when you can be carrying a sport and 133 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 1: the WNBA trying to fight old battles and using the 134 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:47,439 Speaker 1: wrong tone and the wrong approach, all while constantly pushing 135 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 1: against this idea of Caitlin Clark lifting your sport up 136 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:54,199 Speaker 1: of being among the games elite. It's almost comical how 137 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:57,200 Speaker 1: both sides, both sports are tripping all over themselves to 138 00:08:57,280 --> 00:09:01,840 Speaker 1: find a superstar. The WNBA and golf have both found it, 139 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 1: and yet they can't capitalize on it like on paper 140 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 1: they probably should. Right This is the Doug Gottlieb Show 141 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 1: on Fox Sports Radio, speaking of the WNBA, Did you 142 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 1: see the shirts they wore in warm ups? How it 143 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:25,839 Speaker 1: lands the reality? 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Did any 184 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:12,840 Speaker 1: of you guys watch bo Did you watch any of you 185 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 1: guys watch anybody? 186 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:20,120 Speaker 6: I watched the first half and the festivites leading up 187 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:20,440 Speaker 6: to it. 188 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:25,880 Speaker 1: Okay, so Sam helped me out again. I'm trying to 189 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 1: consume one because I don't like All Star games too. 190 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:31,440 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna be as see you. It's the whole. 191 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:34,200 Speaker 1: WNBA has always been a hard watch for me. I 192 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:39,680 Speaker 1: enjoy watching Caitlin Clark play some but again a lot 193 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:43,560 Speaker 1: of this is how it gets cycled into my phone, 194 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:46,040 Speaker 1: right because just like the rest of the world, I 195 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:48,320 Speaker 1: have the bad habit of not paying attention to something 196 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:52,720 Speaker 1: recruiting over the weekend and trying to not take the 197 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 1: perspective that's given through social media. But what was shared 198 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:01,200 Speaker 1: was it was basically the the NBA All Star Game 199 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:05,680 Speaker 1: without the athleticism and skill in that nobody played any 200 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 1: sort of defense. Is that accurate? 201 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:10,040 Speaker 6: Yeah? Yeah, there wasn't much defense and there was a 202 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 6: lot of bricks. 203 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:11,400 Speaker 3: I'll just say that. 204 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 1: So let me get this straight. Okay, the WNBA has 205 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 1: this new superstar. Okay, it's new superstar, and they have 206 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:26,080 Speaker 1: a chance, with all of the dysfunctions in other sports, 207 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:31,360 Speaker 1: to capitalize on the momentum of the sport. And over 208 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:37,320 Speaker 1: the weekend in Indianapolis, where one Caitlin Clark owns that 209 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:40,840 Speaker 1: town too, they've been selling out the Pacers Arena for 210 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:46,000 Speaker 1: WNBA games and there's a tremendous basketball fan base in 211 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 1: general being in the state of Indiana. They came out 212 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:53,040 Speaker 1: in the court with T shirts saying pay us, which 213 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:59,240 Speaker 1: you owe us, and Caitland Clark didn't play, and then 214 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 1: they played a worse version of the NBA All Star Game, 215 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:07,680 Speaker 1: which everybody has rightfully been critical of, And after the 216 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 1: game there was then subtle jabs thrown at Kaitlyn Clark 217 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:15,840 Speaker 1: and her team for not participating in a discussion about 218 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:18,440 Speaker 1: said T shirts before they reward. How did I do? 219 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:20,440 Speaker 3: Yep? 220 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:21,240 Speaker 6: That sums it up. 221 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 1: Okay, So what's going to happen is at some point, 222 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:30,040 Speaker 1: at some point even with Kitlin Clark, but the rest 223 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 1: of the league is going to run into a Hey, 224 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 1: we're back in that same predicament of not people not caring, 225 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:41,959 Speaker 1: but people actually pushing it away, and it's going to 226 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:46,000 Speaker 1: be blamed. It will, without any questions, say hey, America 227 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:54,720 Speaker 1: is male, chauvinistic, anti whatever, alternative lifestyle whatever, when that's 228 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:59,240 Speaker 1: not what it is. Is there some of that? Yeah, 229 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:03,480 Speaker 1: there's there's always going to be something. There's also reality 230 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:08,040 Speaker 1: to it. Right, Women are less athletic than men. It 231 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 1: is not at the jaw dropping athleticism that we're used 232 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:15,439 Speaker 1: to seeing in professional basketball. It's just not their skill level, 233 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:18,199 Speaker 1: though better than it's ever been, is not nor will 234 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 1: ever be, at the level of men. And yet they 235 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 1: want to compare themselves the salary to it. So there's 236 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 1: part of that. There's a reality to it, a harsh 237 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:32,240 Speaker 1: reality to it. But there's also hey, last year you 238 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:34,760 Speaker 1: had the Olympics, you chose not to bring Caitlin Clark, 239 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:38,200 Speaker 1: and so people like myself said, not only am I 240 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 1: not appointment viewing, I'm actually going to make sure that 241 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 1: I don't watch because it's just gross that they don't 242 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:49,560 Speaker 1: really want to embrace their growth in their own game. 243 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 1: And then with the T shirts, look I get there's 244 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:56,920 Speaker 1: the reality of them only getting I think it's nine 245 00:14:56,960 --> 00:15:00,240 Speaker 1: percent of a revenue share. And of course every Moody 246 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 1: on social media likes to smartly point out that, hey, 247 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:06,360 Speaker 1: you lost forty million last year as a league, so 248 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 1: if you want to share the revenue, should you share 249 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:14,080 Speaker 1: the revenue losses? And of course the NBA subsidizes it. 250 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:16,120 Speaker 1: And then you know, women will tell you. Women of 251 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:18,840 Speaker 1: the WNBA will tell you like, hey, look, if the 252 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 1: new TV deal goes in effect. When the new TV 253 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:23,720 Speaker 1: deal goes in effect, we get very little of it. 254 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:26,000 Speaker 1: And these owners are now going to be made whole 255 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:34,480 Speaker 1: on some level because of it, asking for more, asking 256 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:39,200 Speaker 1: for a spot at the table, asking for the chance 257 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:44,760 Speaker 1: to get a higher percentage of the revenue is very reasonable. Hey, 258 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 1: we're doing way better now than we used to. We're 259 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 1: flying in charters, we're on commercials, we're doing better than 260 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 1: we used to. Can we continue to make it better 261 00:15:56,520 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 1: for women of the WNBA? Is different than pay us 262 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:06,040 Speaker 1: what you owe us, because exacting and extracting that revenge payment, 263 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:09,120 Speaker 1: if you will, is exactly how we feel. I would 264 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:11,400 Speaker 1: just say, as the average consumer, the average sports fan, 265 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 1: it's like, hey, now you got to give us the 266 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:16,520 Speaker 1: attention that you owe us. We don't owe you anything. 267 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 1: No one owes you anything. Some of it is semantics. 268 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 1: It's just one word. The word is oh. It's oh, 269 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:40,800 Speaker 1: nobody owes you anything, zero, zilch zip, nada. Had they 270 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 1: simply said, you know, pay us as we earn it, 271 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 1: think of how that would have landed. Think of how 272 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 1: that lands. Or even pay us what we've earned lands better. 273 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:00,720 Speaker 1: It still doesn't land great, but lands better. Then pay 274 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:07,880 Speaker 1: us what you owe us, Oh, reeks of entitlement. Oh 275 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:12,240 Speaker 1: is paying for the past When anybody who's followed this 276 00:17:12,359 --> 00:17:16,600 Speaker 1: league at all will say, like, owe you We've been 277 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:20,760 Speaker 1: bleeding money for twenty five years. I don't know you nothing. 278 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:25,600 Speaker 1: But it's more how it actually lands with the people 279 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:27,720 Speaker 1: you're trying to win over. None of that has any 280 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:33,040 Speaker 1: effect on negotiations. Negotiations are really just about hey, are 281 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 1: you unified? Do you have is your union ready to 282 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:40,520 Speaker 1: await for walk away from checks? If you're ready to 283 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:43,640 Speaker 1: walk away from checks and you're you're ready to run 284 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:48,280 Speaker 1: the you know, have the danger of walking away from checks, 285 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:52,359 Speaker 1: if you're willing to do that, well, hey, this is 286 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:55,040 Speaker 1: getting this, this will get interesting. Doesn't that have any 287 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:59,199 Speaker 1: But this is about winning the room, or maybe not 288 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:03,640 Speaker 1: even winning the room. This is about winning in public perception, 289 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:10,000 Speaker 1: which does have value. It does have value. Public perception 290 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:14,399 Speaker 1: absolutely has value. Maybe not to the extent that the 291 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 1: women of the WNBA think or understand, but it has value. 292 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:25,919 Speaker 1: On the other hand, using a word like oh, it 293 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:28,240 Speaker 1: just lands terribly, I don't know anybody who looked at 294 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:34,119 Speaker 1: it and goes like, yeah, that's great, that's great. Sam, 295 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:37,879 Speaker 1: you are the biggest WNBA fan and really a kingle 296 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:41,120 Speaker 1: Clark fan, you know, you and Monse you're the two 297 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:42,120 Speaker 1: biggest at the network. 298 00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:45,160 Speaker 6: And Martin Weiss big fan, big fan. 299 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 1: Okay, again, I'm gonna warn you guys, be cautious to 300 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:54,119 Speaker 1: not it's like guys on social media when it's like 301 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 1: a Saturday morning and they start tech, they start tweeting 302 00:18:57,440 --> 00:19:00,840 Speaker 1: about uwave football, Like you're like, if that's what you 303 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:04,040 Speaker 1: love and you're covering the NFL, you're showing you really 304 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:05,840 Speaker 1: don't care as much about it. It's just a job 305 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 1: to you. It's that's that's it. That's a Titanic you're 306 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:12,919 Speaker 1: going to sink on. So it's cool to love it 307 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:16,359 Speaker 1: and enjoy it, but just know, like becoming a w 308 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:20,960 Speaker 1: NBA leading sports radio shows consecutively continually when real, when 309 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:23,920 Speaker 1: other sports matter, it's not a great way to live. 310 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:27,480 Speaker 1: That said, how did how'd those shirts slam? 311 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:27,720 Speaker 3: With you? 312 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:31,560 Speaker 7: Man? 313 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 8: It They're controversial for sure, I mean for all the 314 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 8: reasons you said, you know, and then but then you 315 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:42,479 Speaker 8: listen to the people calling the game and they had 316 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:45,000 Speaker 8: their own explanation for it and reasons why they were 317 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:47,000 Speaker 8: wearing the shirt. And but I think it's a little 318 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:49,919 Speaker 8: too soon to be like demanding so much. Give it 319 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:52,199 Speaker 8: another four or five years. So I think that then 320 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:54,600 Speaker 8: you get to the point where you're like, Okay, pay 321 00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:58,080 Speaker 8: us what we deserve now there's there is a lot 322 00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:00,320 Speaker 8: of money floating around and both said it. We had 323 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:02,159 Speaker 8: a bo Bens and our executive producer today had a 324 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:06,439 Speaker 8: great term, you know, accounting magic. I think magical accounting. Yeah, 325 00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:08,800 Speaker 8: the money's out there somewhere, but I just don't know 326 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:10,879 Speaker 8: if it's you know, at this point, it should be 327 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 8: all put up front at this you know for the players. 328 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:16,960 Speaker 1: No, listen, we all listen. We all want to focus 329 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:20,560 Speaker 1: on the forty million dollars lost by the league. Okay, 330 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:24,520 Speaker 1: And every good business tries to look like they don't 331 00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:27,639 Speaker 1: make any money because they don't play any taxes. If 332 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:31,600 Speaker 1: we lose money, great, right, Like NBA teams will tell you. 333 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:34,400 Speaker 1: You know, Mark Cuban when he sold sold the Mavericks, 334 00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:36,480 Speaker 1: I lost hundreds of you know, hundreds of millions of 335 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 1: dollars and then you end up making it back on 336 00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:41,080 Speaker 1: the sale the team. The difference is in this league 337 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:44,320 Speaker 1: you generally don't make money even when you sell the team, 338 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:45,760 Speaker 1: or to this point, you haven't made money when you 339 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:48,400 Speaker 1: sell the team. That's why they have to create more 340 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:51,119 Speaker 1: teams because that's the way to get more money to 341 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:55,800 Speaker 1: the owners, and you get it through franchise fees. So 342 00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:58,919 Speaker 1: I agree with the there is some cute accounting taking 343 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:01,480 Speaker 1: place that leads you to believe it loses more money 344 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:04,920 Speaker 1: than it probably loses. That said, everyone knows the w 345 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:09,000 Speaker 1: NBA loses money and the word oh is not only 346 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:12,040 Speaker 1: entitlement but the past. And that's not what you're trying 347 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:16,080 Speaker 1: to capitalize on. Rick Kicker joins us Fox Sports One 348 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:20,280 Speaker 1: and Fox Sports Radio. NBA Insatury joins us in the 349 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:24,600 Speaker 1: Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. Let's uh, let's 350 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:28,320 Speaker 1: get to the league. As Marcus Smart now member of 351 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:32,280 Speaker 1: the of the Lakers, what does that do for the Lakers? 352 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:37,159 Speaker 7: Look? Is it gonna help? Sure? But I I feel 353 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:42,480 Speaker 7: and I've always been a Marcus Smart fan. I it's 354 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:44,840 Speaker 7: I don't want to say it's a desperate move, but 355 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:50,400 Speaker 7: I don't know how excited anybody should get over where 356 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:53,520 Speaker 7: Marcus Smart is at this point. And what I really 357 00:21:54,200 --> 00:22:00,320 Speaker 7: am curious about is the chemistry between Smart and Lebron 358 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:07,560 Speaker 7: and Luca uh and to a lesser extent, JJ. Marcus 359 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:11,200 Speaker 7: has always been about kind of playing at both ends 360 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:15,560 Speaker 7: and holding you know, bigger players, guys with bigger names 361 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:18,280 Speaker 7: accountable when he has played with and he hasn't been 362 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:21,439 Speaker 7: afraid to speak his mind or call them out. And 363 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:24,840 Speaker 7: I don't know that personality has changed, even though his 364 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:29,960 Speaker 7: game has declined somewhat. And that's where I'll be. It 365 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:33,040 Speaker 7: makes them very interesting. I'll be interested. But that makes 366 00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:35,840 Speaker 7: them a chemistry experiment that I'm not sure is going 367 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:37,600 Speaker 7: to turn out the way the Lakers fans with hope 368 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:37,920 Speaker 7: it would. 369 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:40,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's weird. 370 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:40,800 Speaker 3: Uh. 371 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:45,440 Speaker 1: Any chance they move Lebron before the season starts. 372 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:47,159 Speaker 7: I just I don't. I don't see it. I know 373 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:50,520 Speaker 7: it's out there, I know that they would be open 374 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:53,040 Speaker 7: to it. I just don't see a world in which 375 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:59,640 Speaker 7: Lebron is going to a place where it makes sense 376 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:04,119 Speaker 7: for him. He's still if he's going to have any cachet, 377 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:06,560 Speaker 7: it is going to be with the Lakers more than 378 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:09,280 Speaker 7: any place else. And it really doesn't make sense for 379 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:11,159 Speaker 7: any of the other teams, especially when it comes to 380 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:13,760 Speaker 7: a trade, like what are you giving up? How do 381 00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:15,560 Speaker 7: you You're gonna have to give up something just to 382 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:20,760 Speaker 7: match the contract. That's where his opting in. You can't 383 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:23,560 Speaker 7: opt in and say I'm still playing for championships. If 384 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:25,679 Speaker 7: you wanted to play for championships, you've got to go 385 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 7: someplace where you're picking your spot. You're signing a deal 386 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:33,720 Speaker 7: that makes physcal sense for the team more so than 387 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:38,480 Speaker 7: for yourself. And then then that provides that opportunity opting 388 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:45,800 Speaker 7: in almost practically eliminates that for any team that considers 389 00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:47,080 Speaker 7: itself a title contender. 390 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:53,440 Speaker 1: Okay, so help me out with the Warriors, They've done 391 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:58,840 Speaker 1: so little. It seems like everybody's waiting on something to happen. Yeah, 392 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:00,360 Speaker 1: why has anything happened yet? 393 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:03,119 Speaker 7: A big part of it is is trying to figure 394 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 7: out what they can get for uh, for Jonathan Kaminga 395 00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:10,960 Speaker 7: and there's not a great market out there. It's really 396 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:17,560 Speaker 7: trying to make a deal that that improves them. And 397 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:20,679 Speaker 7: that's the big that's the big piece right here that 398 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:23,920 Speaker 7: they're that they're sort of sitting on, is trying to 399 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:26,960 Speaker 7: figure that out. But there look, here's the reality they're 400 00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:32,560 Speaker 7: up against it. They Jimmy Butler and Steph Curry alone 401 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:38,000 Speaker 7: take up three fourths of their salary cap room. You 402 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:42,399 Speaker 7: add Draymond Green to that and it's nine tenths. So 403 00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:49,639 Speaker 7: the flexibility that they have is severely limited because of 404 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:52,879 Speaker 7: what they are paying their top three players. And unless 405 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:55,240 Speaker 7: you're going to move one of those, which there there 406 00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:58,439 Speaker 7: is no plan to do that. They're really up against 407 00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:02,280 Speaker 7: it in terms of making improving this team and making 408 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:05,960 Speaker 7: it make physical sense unless they're able to turn Kminga 409 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:09,359 Speaker 7: into UH into something. And right now there's just there's 410 00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:14,240 Speaker 7: not a market because people don't want to pay what 411 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:18,800 Speaker 7: Kaminga thinks he's worth. And so I think that you know, 412 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:22,480 Speaker 7: at this point, it's it's going to be he's gonna 413 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:25,520 Speaker 7: sign that he's going to have that extension, UH, the 414 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:30,280 Speaker 7: restricted pre agent extension, and then potentially be an unrestricted 415 00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:32,840 Speaker 7: pre agent next summer. That that at least is the 416 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:35,840 Speaker 7: way it is looking right now. Everybody that I talked 417 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:36,359 Speaker 7: to around the. 418 00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:39,080 Speaker 1: League, Rick Berger joining us here on the on the 419 00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:43,359 Speaker 1: Doug Gottlib Show on Fox Sports Radio, UH, okay, then 420 00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:47,280 Speaker 1: you got the East, which you know Celtics looks like 421 00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:49,720 Speaker 1: you kind of got a pause for a year. Terms 422 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:52,560 Speaker 1: of competing pacers, obviously the same. We know what the 423 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:55,280 Speaker 1: Bucks are trying to do, and yet we're still waiting 424 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:58,000 Speaker 1: on a full commitment from Jannis. Like a fool like 425 00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:01,560 Speaker 1: I'm in, don't call. Will we get that? 426 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:04,679 Speaker 7: I would expect that they will, because I don't know 427 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:07,720 Speaker 7: that there's anything out there that makes more sense than 428 00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:11,919 Speaker 7: what he has in Milwaukee, and I would take Damian 429 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:14,920 Speaker 7: Lillard going back to Portland as a cautionary tale that's 430 00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:20,080 Speaker 7: right in Giannis's face, which is you are beloved in Milwaukee. 431 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:23,320 Speaker 7: You've actually done more than Damien did in Portland. You 432 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:27,320 Speaker 7: brought them a championship. You're still at an age, and 433 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:30,320 Speaker 7: you're with a GM who is demonstrated he's capable of 434 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:35,000 Speaker 7: putting a championship caliber roster around you. You can go 435 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:37,960 Speaker 7: someplace else. There's no guarantee that you're winning a championship, 436 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:40,920 Speaker 7: and if you do, it's going to be discounted because 437 00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:45,120 Speaker 7: you went someplace else to join someone else, as opposed 438 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:48,439 Speaker 7: to you stick around and you take another stab at it, 439 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:50,879 Speaker 7: and if you win a second one, it's almost like, 440 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:56,680 Speaker 7: you know, Steph Winn winning championship in twenty two, twenty 441 00:26:56,720 --> 00:27:00,760 Speaker 7: three's it takes you over the top in terms of 442 00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:04,440 Speaker 7: where you are and your legacy in Milwaukee. I don't 443 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:06,400 Speaker 7: know if there's any place else where he can go 444 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:12,240 Speaker 7: unless he wins multiple championships that he could that he 445 00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:16,920 Speaker 7: could he could raise his bar more so than staying 446 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:20,680 Speaker 7: in Milwaukee and potentially winning winning another title or just 447 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:23,960 Speaker 7: just being able to compete for one and then the 448 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:27,440 Speaker 7: reason that he hasn't fully committed is because he's looking 449 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:30,520 Speaker 7: at it saying, Okay, I don't see anything out there, 450 00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:35,320 Speaker 7: but why you know, let's let's see if anything comes 451 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:39,080 Speaker 7: up that makes sense that there's something there's somewhere that 452 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:42,720 Speaker 7: I could go that could potentially be better than what 453 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:46,600 Speaker 7: I have. There's there. I don't see where he feels 454 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:48,720 Speaker 7: that there's an urgency there, but I don't know that 455 00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:52,919 Speaker 7: it means that like he's torn. I think the wrong 456 00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:57,720 Speaker 7: read is to suggest that he's he's really conflicted. He 457 00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:00,639 Speaker 7: wants to leave Milwaukee, but he can't find the place 458 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,119 Speaker 7: to go to. I think it's more a matter of 459 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:07,600 Speaker 7: he's ready to stay in Milwaukee, but wants to leave 460 00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:12,640 Speaker 7: his options open to see if possibly something better could arise. 461 00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:18,360 Speaker 1: You know, I semantics matter. It really matters to those 462 00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:20,800 Speaker 1: of us, you know, like yourself, when we're kind of 463 00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:24,520 Speaker 1: breaking down what people say, what they write, and what 464 00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:27,640 Speaker 1: it all means, but also matters in terms of perception. 465 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:32,439 Speaker 1: I felt like the flaw in the w NBA with 466 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:35,639 Speaker 1: the T shirts, there's there's a lot right they just 467 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:39,880 Speaker 1: they still can't embrace Caitlyn Clark. They're very much pushing back, 468 00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:44,480 Speaker 1: but just in the pay us what you owe us. Yeah, 469 00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:49,560 Speaker 1: the the O makes people think of entitlement. It also 470 00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:53,080 Speaker 1: makes you think that there's some wrong done to women 471 00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:57,720 Speaker 1: in the past that most of us. And again, like 472 00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:01,040 Speaker 1: the women's deal isn't particularly good good right, it just isn't. 473 00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:01,200 Speaker 3: Now. 474 00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:03,200 Speaker 1: Part of it was they weren't making money, so whatever, 475 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:06,840 Speaker 1: It's not a particular deal, so not wrong. But I 476 00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:10,560 Speaker 1: think the mistake is in the oh US instead of 477 00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:14,560 Speaker 1: saying what we will earn? How did land for you? 478 00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:16,320 Speaker 1: When you saw those T shirts this weekend? 479 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,360 Speaker 7: You know what, Honestly it felt a lot like the 480 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:28,200 Speaker 7: slogans and the the T shirts in the bubble that 481 00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:31,480 Speaker 7: can the concessions that the players made to play in 482 00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:34,280 Speaker 7: the bubble so that we can wear T shirts and 483 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:40,200 Speaker 7: we can have slogans on the court. And I felt like, Okay, 484 00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:42,680 Speaker 7: I understand, I understand what you guys are going for. 485 00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:49,040 Speaker 7: Are you, in today's market worth more than you're getting paid. Yeah, 486 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:52,200 Speaker 7: there's an argument to be made for that, But I 487 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,040 Speaker 7: think you make a great point in terms of it 488 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:57,920 Speaker 7: feels like that they've been persecuted up to this point, 489 00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:01,880 Speaker 7: and the reality is there's this conflict between. You know what, 490 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:05,720 Speaker 7: the reason that you're you're now have the attention that 491 00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:09,360 Speaker 7: you do is because of one person that you seemingly 492 00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:14,680 Speaker 7: can't embrace, because she recognizes that she's different than the 493 00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:19,120 Speaker 7: rest of you, and she is protecting that status. She's 494 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:21,200 Speaker 7: not going to join She's not she's not one of 495 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:21,720 Speaker 7: the girls. 496 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:22,320 Speaker 3: Right. 497 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:25,240 Speaker 7: She came in, she's been treated a certain way. She's 498 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:27,640 Speaker 7: going to stand on her own brand, in her own position. 499 00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:30,040 Speaker 7: It's not that she's not a teammate with a teammate 500 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:34,640 Speaker 7: with her, with her her team, but this idea that 501 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:38,040 Speaker 7: she's got to like fall in line with everybody in 502 00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:41,480 Speaker 7: the WNBA who was already there. I don't see Caitlin 503 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:45,240 Speaker 7: catering to that, nor do I think that she should, 504 00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:48,440 Speaker 7: because she's the reason where they are. So it's like, 505 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:51,120 Speaker 7: I'm not bringing myself down to your level. Yet we're 506 00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:54,240 Speaker 7: not talking about as basketball players. We're talking about as 507 00:30:54,320 --> 00:31:00,440 Speaker 7: brand and and attractions. I have more pulled than you do. 508 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:06,640 Speaker 7: And honestly, if the WNBA players knew their history and 509 00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:10,160 Speaker 7: had put some forethought into this and really wanted to 510 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:15,520 Speaker 7: use the All Star Game as a platform, they would 511 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:18,600 Speaker 7: have done what the NBA players did back in the 512 00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:23,640 Speaker 7: Oscar robertson Bob Coosey days, which is they played the 513 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:26,520 Speaker 7: All Star Game and they wanted their players union. They 514 00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:30,200 Speaker 7: wanted the players union recognized. They wanted to be able 515 00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:36,240 Speaker 7: to collectively bargain for better terms, better relationship with the owners. 516 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:38,440 Speaker 7: And so they played the first half of the All 517 00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:43,000 Speaker 7: Star Game and at halftime they said, unless you recognize 518 00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:46,920 Speaker 7: the players Union, unless we're able to collectively bargain, we're 519 00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:50,120 Speaker 7: not coming out and play in the second half. And 520 00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:55,760 Speaker 7: the owners the owners caved, And that's how the Players 521 00:31:56,360 --> 00:32:00,320 Speaker 7: Union that provides everything that it does today for the players. 522 00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:03,520 Speaker 7: That's how it was formed. So if you want, if 523 00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:06,479 Speaker 7: you're really about this business, if you really want, like 524 00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,680 Speaker 7: if you want things to change, then you're gonna have 525 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:11,560 Speaker 7: to go to the wall and be cutthroat about it. 526 00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:13,440 Speaker 7: And you can't go out there wearing a T shirt. 527 00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:16,160 Speaker 7: Think I get where they are, that they think they 528 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:20,200 Speaker 7: did something bold, but the reality is this is business 529 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:26,360 Speaker 7: and you are dealing with billionaire businessman. They're gonna laugh 530 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,600 Speaker 7: at the idea that you're somehow going to influence them 531 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:31,160 Speaker 7: by wearing a T shirt. 532 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:34,320 Speaker 1: He's Rick Buker. He works for Fox Sports and Fox 533 00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:36,120 Speaker 1: Sports One. He joins us every week in the Doug 534 00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:37,520 Speaker 1: Gallop Show. If you get the best, man, I really 535 00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:41,080 Speaker 1: appreciate your time. You got it all right, We'll turn 536 00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:44,920 Speaker 1: to some football up coming next. Wait to hear what 537 00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:48,240 Speaker 1: Jerry Jones said? Is it a big deal, a little 538 00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:49,840 Speaker 1: deal or no deal? Bye out next. 539 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:52,320 Speaker 2: Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug 540 00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:55,880 Speaker 2: Gottlieb Show week days at three pm Easter noon Pacific. 541 00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:59,080 Speaker 1: Adam Kaplan joins us. Of course, he has the Inside 542 00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:02,720 Speaker 1: the Birds podcast as he's our major league he's he's 543 00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:06,800 Speaker 1: our NFL insider for Fox Sports Radio. Did you hear 544 00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:10,400 Speaker 1: what Jerry Jones said about Michael Parsons? 545 00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:13,080 Speaker 9: Michael Parsons, Yes, And I have a friend who works 546 00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:15,120 Speaker 9: with the Cowboys, so he made me. He made sure 547 00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:16,480 Speaker 9: that I listened to what Jerry said today. 548 00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:19,800 Speaker 3: We had a good laugh. Yes, well wellware, yeah. 549 00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:24,480 Speaker 1: Okay, So I understand he's not a free agent really 550 00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:26,440 Speaker 1: at the end this year they can franchise it, right. 551 00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:28,640 Speaker 1: I get that that they do still have some leverage, 552 00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:30,760 Speaker 1: But here we are kind of in that same cowboy 553 00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:34,760 Speaker 1: cycle of really good player, guy who wants to be there, 554 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,920 Speaker 1: and yet we don't have a new contract or contract extension. 555 00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:40,120 Speaker 1: So there's a standoff before the last year of the deal, 556 00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:43,120 Speaker 1: feeling like it's gonna end up casting the Couston the 557 00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:47,960 Speaker 1: Cowboys more rather than less. Why go down the same path. 558 00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:50,600 Speaker 9: Because I've talked about this now for what like six 559 00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:54,920 Speaker 9: years on FSR every contract. I mean, he in factually, 560 00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:57,240 Speaker 9: it's funny you bring us up. Jerry talked about what 561 00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:01,640 Speaker 9: happened with Dak Prescott. Jerry Wade, Doug waited, waited and waited. 562 00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:02,200 Speaker 3: What happened. 563 00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:06,160 Speaker 9: He paid it above market deal for Dak Prescott. Okay, 564 00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:09,840 Speaker 9: Todd France's agent did a great job. He's like, if 565 00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:11,200 Speaker 9: you want to get paid, if you want to get 566 00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:13,279 Speaker 9: this done, this is what it's going to cost. He 567 00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:15,600 Speaker 9: waited too long and he paid above market sixty million 568 00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:18,799 Speaker 9: a year. And Jerry brought up today Doug that you 569 00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:20,960 Speaker 9: know we did a contract last year and the guy 570 00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:22,080 Speaker 9: missed two thirds of the season. 571 00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:24,880 Speaker 3: Oh well, that's not the players problem. I call stuff 572 00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:25,319 Speaker 3: down in the middle. 573 00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:27,640 Speaker 9: I'm just telling you the way people look at it, 574 00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:30,560 Speaker 9: and with Michael Parsons, now that we have the deal 575 00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:34,239 Speaker 9: for guys nearly five years older and TJ. Watt, if 576 00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:37,840 Speaker 9: I'm David Mullagetta, Michael Parson's agent. How do you do 577 00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:39,839 Speaker 9: a deal for less than forty one million season? How 578 00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:42,239 Speaker 9: it's twenty six years old? About twenty six years old? 579 00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:47,239 Speaker 9: How can't So that's where it's at. They both want 580 00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,759 Speaker 9: to get a deal done. I expected to get done 581 00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:52,319 Speaker 9: down a lock. But he's not going anywhere. There's no 582 00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:55,680 Speaker 9: trade talks nothing, He's not going. We could stop that nonsense. 583 00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:58,399 Speaker 9: The stuff about you, all these bloggers and aggregators doing 584 00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:00,840 Speaker 9: these trade proposed it's nonsense. 585 00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:01,560 Speaker 3: It's not happening. 586 00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:07,319 Speaker 1: I do think there's another possibility there. And you tell 587 00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:09,760 Speaker 1: me if you if you think this is is accurate. 588 00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:11,879 Speaker 1: We do always look at it and go like, hey, 589 00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:13,359 Speaker 1: why doesn't Jerry get this deal done? 590 00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:13,839 Speaker 3: Yeah? 591 00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:15,799 Speaker 1: Well the other part too, it is there's a very 592 00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:21,759 Speaker 1: strong likelihood that they're asking for absolutely obscene money. And 593 00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:25,240 Speaker 1: he's like that that doesn't make any sense. Be happy 594 00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:28,799 Speaker 1: to have a conversation once we get into realistic money. Right, 595 00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:31,520 Speaker 1: We do have a tendency just because they've done this, 596 00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:34,080 Speaker 1: and and look, I actually agree with him on the 597 00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:37,520 Speaker 1: top on the Dak Prescott contract, Like it's why it's 598 00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:40,160 Speaker 1: Dak Prescott's been hurt a lot, and we have not 599 00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:43,160 Speaker 1: you know, so why did you sign a contract with him? 600 00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:44,080 Speaker 3: He didn't have to do that. 601 00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:47,320 Speaker 9: Listen, Jerry did not have to do that deal, Doug. Now, 602 00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:50,840 Speaker 9: it's they would have liked to have done a shorter 603 00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:53,520 Speaker 9: contract that the Prescott saw, but they did a four year. 604 00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:55,200 Speaker 3: Extension for the for cap purposes. 605 00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:58,800 Speaker 9: What you got, he got, I mean he got sixty 606 00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:00,759 Speaker 9: million or on the nose, I mean it's it's a 607 00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:05,399 Speaker 9: jit contract. The structure's really really good. Now that well, 608 00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:08,960 Speaker 9: Michael Parsons is a guy that's going to get a 609 00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:11,360 Speaker 9: deal that's going to be historic, and there's really no 610 00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:15,040 Speaker 9: reason to do it if you're if you're Michael Parsons, 611 00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:18,080 Speaker 9: if it's less than forty one million. Now, the problem 612 00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:20,200 Speaker 9: that would be, we're on what you're talking about, Well, 613 00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:23,600 Speaker 9: Micah's not going to want to play for twenty four 614 00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:25,920 Speaker 9: million for the season. It's fully guaran cheated. But so 615 00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,439 Speaker 9: what he can get hurt and he never gets his deal. 616 00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:32,120 Speaker 9: So that that's that's why there's it's highly unlikely he'll 617 00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:33,680 Speaker 9: play on this deal without an extension. 618 00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:34,560 Speaker 3: Now, what you. 619 00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:36,640 Speaker 9: Can do is you could do a short term deal 620 00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:40,640 Speaker 9: because you're you're worried about the guaranteering three future years. 621 00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:42,840 Speaker 9: You could do something like that, but typically they're not 622 00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:48,320 Speaker 9: done anymore because club when there's something hanging over a club, 623 00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:51,839 Speaker 9: when you've won, both sides agree that, okay, we're going 624 00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:54,000 Speaker 9: to get this done, they get it done. 625 00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:55,080 Speaker 3: Whether it's three or four years. 626 00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:58,200 Speaker 9: Now the Cowboys might if Parsons wants to get forty 627 00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:00,480 Speaker 9: three forty four million a year, have to do four 628 00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:03,400 Speaker 9: or five years. That's where you got to You've got 629 00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:05,480 Speaker 9: to be fair to the club. And remember, as you mentioned, 630 00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:08,040 Speaker 9: this is a fair point. He's on his fifth year option. 631 00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:10,000 Speaker 9: They could franchise him for two years and that's where 632 00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:10,799 Speaker 9: their leverage would be. 633 00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:14,759 Speaker 1: Stug got Liab Show here on Fox Sports Radio. That's 634 00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:20,600 Speaker 1: the voice of Adam Kaplan. Okay, where are we with 635 00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:23,920 Speaker 1: We have a first round pick who's working out with 636 00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:24,800 Speaker 1: his school. 637 00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:27,640 Speaker 9: Yeah, he's not practicing. You're talking about Shamar Turner. Let's 638 00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:30,240 Speaker 9: make that clear. Who's the first round pick for the Bengals. 639 00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:33,240 Speaker 9: It's he's not re entering school all that. Again, bad 640 00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:37,480 Speaker 9: aggregation not doing that. So this is where we're at. 641 00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:42,360 Speaker 9: The Bengals are not budging Mike Brown, the magic Partner, 642 00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:47,680 Speaker 9: the principal owner, his family, His daughter Ni Katie, negotiates 643 00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:51,200 Speaker 9: the contracts. Duke Tobin, who's the personnel director, he doesn't 644 00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:54,600 Speaker 9: negotiate contracts. He's just basically the league's the team spokesman. 645 00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:58,719 Speaker 9: They're not budging on the default language. Default language is 646 00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:02,440 Speaker 9: very simple. It's if you cannot fulfill your duties as 647 00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:07,400 Speaker 9: a player, if you get suspended. In particular, we're not 648 00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:09,200 Speaker 9: going to pay that future cat. We're not going to 649 00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:11,920 Speaker 9: guarantee you future money. And that's it. Now, here's the 650 00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,840 Speaker 9: problem with it. Maryusmims, their first round pick, did not 651 00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:17,640 Speaker 9: have this language in this contract last year. That's why 652 00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:21,040 Speaker 9: his agent, Zach Killer is saying, listen, we want. All 653 00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:23,880 Speaker 9: we want is what you did last year. Now, I 654 00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:27,920 Speaker 9: would suggest they must not trust Schamar Turner at some point, 655 00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:32,360 Speaker 9: because why would you give different language for a player 656 00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:36,040 Speaker 9: drafted this year when you gave a guy last year 657 00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:37,520 Speaker 9: a contract where you didn't have to worry about that. 658 00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:40,359 Speaker 9: That's just not right. No one else is doing it. 659 00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:44,640 Speaker 9: But now veterans get default language. Now that's a different story. 660 00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:47,960 Speaker 9: But for whatever reason, they're doing what they're doing. And 661 00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:52,000 Speaker 9: let's not forget Sam Hubbard. You've got he retired one 662 00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:54,359 Speaker 9: of their starting defensive ends, and Trey Hendrickson hasn't got 663 00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:56,759 Speaker 9: his extension yet. They're moving pretty close, by the way, 664 00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:59,080 Speaker 9: and he's around the same age, by the way as TJ. 665 00:38:59,200 --> 00:38:59,520 Speaker 3: Watt. 666 00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:03,839 Speaker 1: Okay, speaking of TJ Watt, what should we read into 667 00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:04,399 Speaker 1: his new deal? 668 00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:10,680 Speaker 9: Well, I'm a little surprised. I'm really surprised, but you 669 00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:14,920 Speaker 9: know I you know, I study contracts, I specialize in it. 670 00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:18,799 Speaker 9: The big hold up and why didn't get done around 671 00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:24,000 Speaker 9: the draft is because they were balking at CEA's asking 672 00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:28,680 Speaker 9: guaranteed money. And then Omar Khan, the general manager, got promoted, 673 00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:30,560 Speaker 9: who used to be their contract negotiat, who still does 674 00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:34,680 Speaker 9: a lot of negotiation. Anyway, he got ownership to say, listen, 675 00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:37,640 Speaker 9: we made TJ the heighst paid player at Drutcher and 676 00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:41,800 Speaker 9: NFL history four years ago. But remember now, we waited 677 00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:44,360 Speaker 9: until September tenth, right when the season started. 678 00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:45,879 Speaker 3: We know what they want. 679 00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:49,320 Speaker 9: This will be his last contract. We're going to have 680 00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:53,680 Speaker 9: to extend this one well like they want it. We're 681 00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:55,000 Speaker 9: going to take care of this player. And they've done 682 00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:57,359 Speaker 9: I'll tell you what, Doug. Now only did they step up, 683 00:39:57,760 --> 00:39:59,680 Speaker 9: they did a structure which they had really not done 684 00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:01,919 Speaker 9: other than with Ben Roethlisberger. They did this first time 685 00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:04,640 Speaker 9: with a defensive player with TJ. Watt four years ago. 686 00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:09,640 Speaker 9: They did it again. They're guaranteeing a whopping dollar amount 687 00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:11,480 Speaker 9: this year and then two future years, and then the 688 00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:16,160 Speaker 9: last year is not guaranteed, but this year and two 689 00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:19,880 Speaker 9: more years are fully guaranteed. The money's crazy, ridiculous, And 690 00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:23,439 Speaker 9: to be honest with you, when you're thirty three years old, 691 00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:26,120 Speaker 9: there's no it's highly unlikely who'd be playing the same 692 00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:28,719 Speaker 9: levels this year. That's the knock on why a lot 693 00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:30,320 Speaker 9: of people are in league thought this was a little 694 00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:33,200 Speaker 9: bit foolhardy by the Steelers, but he's their player and 695 00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:34,640 Speaker 9: they want to do it right by him. 696 00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:36,800 Speaker 1: I let's circle back to the Bengals. What happens to 697 00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:37,520 Speaker 1: Trey Hendrickson? 698 00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:40,560 Speaker 3: That deal I expect to get done now. 699 00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:43,759 Speaker 9: His agent, Hord Lewis, has been in the business of 700 00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:47,040 Speaker 9: thirty five forty years. He knows every agent will tell 701 00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:50,520 Speaker 9: you that it's dealt with the Bengals. It's not easy. 702 00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:53,759 Speaker 9: They're not a cash rich team. Most teams are cash rich. 703 00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:55,680 Speaker 9: They're one of the teams that are not cash rich. 704 00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:58,160 Speaker 9: They did the big deal last year for Jamar Chase. 705 00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:01,080 Speaker 9: They did the big for t Higgins, which a lot 706 00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:03,560 Speaker 9: of people thought was not smart for a number two receiver. 707 00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:06,360 Speaker 9: Making pay the highest paid number two receiver in the 708 00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:09,040 Speaker 9: NFL probably not the smartest thing to do. And now 709 00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:10,759 Speaker 9: you got their best defensive player, one of their top 710 00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:15,000 Speaker 9: three players, who's got a very undervalued deal, and they 711 00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:16,560 Speaker 9: know they have to step up and they're trying. I mean, 712 00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:20,480 Speaker 9: they've had a lot of proposals. They're pretty close. I 713 00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:22,239 Speaker 9: would not be surprised if a deal gets done this week. 714 00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:24,799 Speaker 9: I usually don't make those kind of predictions because things 715 00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:27,200 Speaker 9: could break down, you know, between clubs and agents. I've 716 00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:30,480 Speaker 9: dealt with this for twenty seven years, but this one 717 00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:33,960 Speaker 9: is getting pretty close. But I'm very curious. 718 00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:34,160 Speaker 3: What the real like. 719 00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:38,040 Speaker 9: Let's say it gets reported by like ten people that 720 00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:40,280 Speaker 9: it's forty one million a year, but I'm very interesting 721 00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:42,120 Speaker 9: see how much they actually guarantee it's signing, because that's 722 00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:42,879 Speaker 9: going to be the big deal. 723 00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:45,880 Speaker 1: It's Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio, our 724 00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:49,480 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio NFL insiders. Adam Kaplan He's kind of 725 00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:51,880 Speaker 1: to spend some time this year on the Doug Gottlieb 726 00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:56,800 Speaker 1: Show on Fox Sports Radio. What's the likely that Anthony 727 00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:59,880 Speaker 1: Richardson is a starting quarterback for the Colts? 728 00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:04,359 Speaker 9: Oh boy, I don't do odds, but they want Look, 729 00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:06,160 Speaker 9: they want Daniel Jones, who they thought it would be 730 00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:10,319 Speaker 9: a good fit for their system. They really felt that 731 00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:12,560 Speaker 9: he would push him because they wanted someone with pretty 732 00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:15,399 Speaker 9: high character who has been the playoffs. Before you could 733 00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:17,840 Speaker 9: say what you want about Daniel Jones, they shocked the 734 00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:19,560 Speaker 9: world when they not only made the playoffs, they won 735 00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:21,680 Speaker 9: a playoff game in twenty two they won at Minnesota. 736 00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:25,120 Speaker 9: So they know this player. They've done their homework on him. 737 00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:27,319 Speaker 9: It's not making a ton of money, Daniel Jones making 738 00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:29,640 Speaker 9: about fourteen million nuts, not starter money, that's high in 739 00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:34,640 Speaker 9: backup money. They're gonna like, what's the chances are unless 740 00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:36,759 Speaker 9: he just completely implodes as inaccurate, he's going to be 741 00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:39,319 Speaker 9: the starter Richardson. But it's not just that, Doug, it's 742 00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:42,600 Speaker 9: what are the chances they'll keep the job much less? Look, 743 00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:45,280 Speaker 9: Chris Ballard his jobs on the line. The general manager 744 00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:47,880 Speaker 9: Shane Steichen so in a third year. They head coach 745 00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:53,399 Speaker 9: Chris Bowder's not got the contract. The quarterbacks right since 746 00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:57,360 Speaker 9: Andrew Lux surprisingly retired, which is not Chris's problem. He 747 00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:00,200 Speaker 9: didn't control that one. But the bottom line is he 748 00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:02,880 Speaker 9: hadn't got it right. And you saw what happened with 749 00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:06,640 Speaker 9: Richardson last year, the benching, the immaturity. You're hoping he 750 00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:09,239 Speaker 9: learned a valuable lesson, he said he has, but he's 751 00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:10,399 Speaker 9: going to have to prove it. And by the way, 752 00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:12,160 Speaker 9: he's he's healthy, he's ready to go. 753 00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:15,399 Speaker 1: He's healthy, he's ready to go. But is he any 754 00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:17,600 Speaker 1: good when he is healthy? And yeah, question ye. Yeah. 755 00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:19,839 Speaker 1: He also hasn't been able to stay in right right. 756 00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:21,960 Speaker 9: And really he's only had like two or three good 757 00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:23,840 Speaker 9: games effect one of his maybe his best game was 758 00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:26,040 Speaker 9: his first game a couple of years ago with the Colts. 759 00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:27,920 Speaker 9: So yeah, it you know, it's a shit And you 760 00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:30,160 Speaker 9: know this from being a guy's done ready for years 761 00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:31,040 Speaker 9: and you follow the NFL. 762 00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:33,080 Speaker 3: How you go a quarterback is how you go. 763 00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:35,920 Speaker 9: And when you're when you're below average at quarterback, I 764 00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:37,600 Speaker 9: don't care how good your defense is, you're not going 765 00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:37,919 Speaker 9: to win. 766 00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:41,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, And and then it's a cycle of every time 767 00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:44,160 Speaker 1: they run he ses you know, they've run him less 768 00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:46,719 Speaker 1: to get him put him in Harm's way less. But 769 00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:50,000 Speaker 1: part of what makes him potentially super effective is his 770 00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:51,120 Speaker 1: ability to run the ball. 771 00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:54,600 Speaker 9: I know, and play goal line. Yeah you're you're right. 772 00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:57,520 Speaker 9: But what they want him to do is and this 773 00:43:57,600 --> 00:43:59,719 Speaker 9: is this has less to do with design. When you're 774 00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:03,520 Speaker 9: drop and back run the play like you should run 775 00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:04,880 Speaker 9: it now. If you don't like what you see, go, 776 00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:07,879 Speaker 9: But you have to also learn all the quarterbacks you name, 777 00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:10,400 Speaker 9: we could go through the list of running quarterbacks. You 778 00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:12,000 Speaker 9: have to learn how to slide and get out of bounds. 779 00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:14,879 Speaker 9: And that's a learn trait. The more you play, Doug 780 00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:16,520 Speaker 9: by the way, the more you play, the more you learn, 781 00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:19,319 Speaker 9: as you know, as a coach, and he's got to 782 00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:19,560 Speaker 9: do that. 783 00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:20,760 Speaker 3: He's really got to play. 784 00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:22,640 Speaker 9: They they really want to make an evaluation and haven't 785 00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:24,040 Speaker 9: been able to make an evaluation on him, as I 786 00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:24,520 Speaker 9: understand it. 787 00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:25,080 Speaker 3: They don't feel like. 788 00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:27,680 Speaker 9: They have because he's just as barely played because he's 789 00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:30,400 Speaker 9: been hurt, you know, but the little bit of immaturity 790 00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:30,960 Speaker 9: last season. 791 00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:34,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, no question, cap, Great stuff, dude, thanks for joining us. 792 00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:35,440 Speaker 3: Good stuff, Thanks man. 793 00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:40,239 Speaker 1: All right, that's Adam Kaplan our Fox Sports Radio NFL Insider. Okay, 794 00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:42,759 Speaker 1: coming up next, what we loved from the weekend, What 795 00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:45,680 Speaker 1: we hated from the weekend. Little love and Hate up next.