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Speaker 1: Hey everyone, Emily Body here.

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Speaker 2: You are listening to another installment of Hurdle Moment from Hurdle,

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Speaker 2: a wellness focus podcast where I connect with everyone from

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Speaker 2: your favorite athletes to top experts and industry CEOs about

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Speaker 2: their highest hies, toughest moments, and everything in between. We

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Speaker 2: all go through hurdles in life, and my goal through

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Speaker 2: these discussions is to empower you to better navigate yours

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Speaker 2: and move with intention so that you can stride towards

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Speaker 2: your own big potential and of course have some fun

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Speaker 2: along the way. For today's episode, I am sitting down

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Speaker 2: with Dinah Trout. She is the co founder and chief

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Speaker 2: mission Officer of health Aid, as well as their in

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Speaker 2: house nutritionist. Dinah has spent her adult life decaded to

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Speaker 2: finding and sharing health and wellness through food. Founded in

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Speaker 2: twenty twelve, health Aid Kombucha is a multi million dollar

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Speaker 2: success and it retails in something like forty five thousand

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Speaker 2: stores across the country. Known for their bubbly beverages that

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Speaker 2: are really good for your gut, health Aid is one

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Speaker 2: of the fastest growing refrigerated functional beverage brands in the country,

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Speaker 2: and for today's episode, I am sitting down to chat

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Speaker 2: with Dinah all about It Now. This is Dinah's second

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Speaker 2: appearance on the podcast. I'm going to link her first

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Speaker 2: episode in the show notes, which, if I'm being completely honest,

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Speaker 2: listening back to episode number forty nine and seeing the

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Speaker 2: differences and just how far the show has come.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely gave me all of the feels for today's episode.

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Speaker 2: Of course, like I said, we talk about her backstory

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Speaker 2: a little bit, but we really focus in on how

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Speaker 2: diet and mood are connected. Plus the difference between pre

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Speaker 2: pro and post biotics.

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Speaker 1: Something tells me a lot of you haven't heard of

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Speaker 1: post biotics before.

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Speaker 2: Loved this chat, Love the opportunity to sit down with

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Speaker 2: past Hurdle guests again. And on that note, I'm always

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Speaker 1: That's it for now. With that, let's get to hurdling today.

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Speaker 2: I am sitting down with Dina Trout. She is the

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Speaker 2: co founder and chief mission officer over at health Aid.

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Speaker 1: How you doing, I'm awesome, How are you?

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Speaker 3: Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for making the time.

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Speaker 2: I'm so happy to have you back for round two

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Speaker 2: on Hurdle. And as we were just catching up with

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Speaker 2: before the recording started, like absolutely insane to see what

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Speaker 2: has happened since episode forty nine, not only of course

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Speaker 3: For both of us. Yeah, it's been awesome.

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Speaker 1: Right, yeah, geez.

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Speaker 2: I think when we recorded it was about maybe a

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Speaker 1: How many skews does health Aid have now?

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Speaker 3: Gosh, we probably have thirty thirty or thirty forty SKUs.

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Speaker 3: But where we've grown even more, I would say, is

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Speaker 1: Thousand bananas, truly bananas?

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Speaker 2: Does it ever, like do you have these moments where

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Speaker 3: I mean for sure, but I do have those moments

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Speaker 2: So it's yeah, for those that may not be in

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Speaker 3: We want to be supporting all of gut health. Kombucha

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Speaker 2: Let's start with how you started health aid and then

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Speaker 3: Okay, well, high level me, my husband, and my best

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Speaker 3: I had a really good kombucha. We started selling kombucha

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Speaker 3: And it was a lot of learning. That tagline we

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Speaker 2: I love that that mission statement, right, follow your guts

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Speaker 2: so intuitive to you. I'm sure when it comes to

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Speaker 2: like you were doing the best you could with what

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Speaker 1: That's what we're going to talk about.

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Speaker 2: But before we do, you said it, let's talk a

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Speaker 2: little bit about what kombucha is and why it could

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Speaker 3: Yeah. So, fermented foods in general have prebiotics, probiotics, and

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Speaker 3: There's no other food out there that has all three

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Speaker 3: think of fermented foods as like a super food for

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Speaker 3: so many things we know. We know that animals that

431
00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:17,320
Speaker 3: we like. If you sterilize an animal, like we don't

432
00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:20,480
Speaker 3: do this on humans obviously, but if you sterilize any

433
00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:24,919
Speaker 3: animal in terms of their gut within minutes, they have

434
00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:28,920
Speaker 3: cognitive issues, they can't remember things, they have social issues,

435
00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:34,560
Speaker 3: mood disorders, more stress, anxiety, depression. So and then when

436
00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:37,359
Speaker 3: they colonize those bacteria, when they put when they like

437
00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:41,119
Speaker 3: inject bacteria back into those animals guts, they all go away.

438
00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:44,720
Speaker 3: So food's got a lot to do with it, and

439
00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:46,320
Speaker 3: your micro botom has a lot to do with it.

440
00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:49,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, So all of this to say is that, yes,

441
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:53,320
Speaker 2: what you eat definitely impacts your mood.

442
00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:54,959
Speaker 1: That is a fact.

443
00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:59,240
Speaker 2: Now, the question that comes next, the follow up question,

444
00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:03,560
Speaker 2: is let's talk about different foods and what that diet

445
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:06,600
Speaker 2: looks like, right, because I'm sure like someone can get

446
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:10,200
Speaker 2: a lot of joy in the act of eating a

447
00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:13,560
Speaker 2: large cheese pizza before a long run on Saturday.

448
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:16,119
Speaker 1: But is that the kind of joy?

449
00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:18,280
Speaker 2: Is that the kind of mood boost that we're really

450
00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:19,240
Speaker 2: talking about here?

451
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:22,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, First of all, I just want to say that,

452
00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:28,360
Speaker 3: like I do think food rules, like being like restrictive

453
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:32,359
Speaker 3: food rules can do a lot of harm. Yeah, So

454
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:35,960
Speaker 3: before saying never eat that cheese pizza even though it

455
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:37,600
Speaker 3: brings you joy, I would never say that. If it

456
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 3: brings you joy, eat it. But I think what it's

457
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:43,760
Speaker 3: it's everything's in balance, right, So we always have to

458
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:47,240
Speaker 3: remember what are we feeding, you know, and so you

459
00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:49,520
Speaker 3: just want to make sure you're feeding your microbiome enough

460
00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:53,800
Speaker 3: to I would never suggest restricting cheese pizza if it

461
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:56,440
Speaker 3: does bring you happiness. Although let's talk about pizza because

462
00:25:56,440 --> 00:26:00,640
Speaker 3: there was a study where they study they looked at pizza, wine,

463
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:03,600
Speaker 3: and ice cream. So these are the three most popular

464
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:08,480
Speaker 3: things that people eat when they're sad and depressed, right right,

465
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:14,239
Speaker 3: And we look to those items for happiness. And of

466
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 3: course that was studied and even immediately after, so it's

467
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:21,359
Speaker 3: not like oh, five days later or like five years later,

468
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:27,400
Speaker 3: like five minutes after depression. Actually, like depressive thoughts and

469
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,920
Speaker 3: feelings and emotions went up you know when you eat

470
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:36,000
Speaker 3: those things compared to vegetables and fruits and things that

471
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:38,720
Speaker 3: actually are good for you. So you know, it is

472
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:40,920
Speaker 3: important to know that you may think that these things

473
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 3: are bringing you.

474
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:44,080
Speaker 1: You think that they're a mood boost.

475
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:47,600
Speaker 3: You think they're a mood boost, but they're not. Now

476
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 3: that's different than I like cheese pizza. I want to

477
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:53,480
Speaker 3: eat a piece of cheese pizza. That's different than I'm depressed.

478
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:56,840
Speaker 3: I'm looking to this food to make me happy. Really,

479
00:26:56,880 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 3: if you are looking to a food to make you happy,

480
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:02,120
Speaker 3: the best thing to do, the more evidence backed thing

481
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:04,040
Speaker 3: to do, would be to have, you know, some kind

482
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:09,399
Speaker 3: of Mediterranean style snack or fermented food or something that

483
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 3: actually drives that serotonin.

484
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, So to go back to the diet component though,

485
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 2: this is where we're really digging in. You're saying Mediterranean

486
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 2: based foods, these fermented foods tied with better mood results

487
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 2: than perhaps that cheese pizza.

488
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:28,359
Speaker 4: Yeah.

489
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:31,480
Speaker 3: I mean, there are multiple studies on Mediterranean style diet.

490
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 3: So when we talk about a Mediterranean style diet, we're

491
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:41,920
Speaker 3: talking about fruits, vegetables, plants, fish like healthy lean meats,

492
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:44,199
Speaker 3: not always meats like I think there's ways to do

493
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:47,639
Speaker 3: Mediterranean style vegetarian too, but I think one of the

494
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 3: highlights of Mediterranean is lots of fruits and vegetables, also

495
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:56,040
Speaker 3: fermented foods. So it's like those two things have repeatedly

496
00:27:56,119 --> 00:28:00,720
Speaker 3: shown massive improvements in mood, mental well being. And we've

497
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:05,160
Speaker 3: even been able to like identify that lacto bacillis, that

498
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 3: bacteria I was telling you is often lacking in those

499
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 3: with depression. We've been able to also show that that

500
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:17,119
Speaker 3: increase lacto basillis in the gut is tied to increase

501
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 3: serotonin dopamine less anxiety depression, and even I think just

502
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 3: a week or two of having lactobasilics in the gut,

503
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 3: you know, I want to say it like changed or

504
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 3: improved mood by thirty percent in just a few days.

505
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:37,200
Speaker 3: So yes, a Mediterranean style diet, fermented foods and specifically

506
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 3: trying to get that lactobacillus up I think would be

507
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 3: the way to go.

508
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, and to go back to that point before we

509
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 2: were kind of joking about, like you shouldn't be reaching

510
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 2: for pizza to make you happy, Like if you are

511
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 2: in a place where you do feel like you're reaching

512
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 2: to any food to make you happy. Then that's also

513
00:28:57,640 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 2: probably a sign of a bigger picture moment, which is

514
00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:02,960
Speaker 2: like maybe we should be addressing why food is the

515
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 2: source of like how you feel. Perhaps a moment to

516
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 2: consult with an expert on that note. Though I love

517
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 2: the idea of reaching for fruits and vegetables to feel

518
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 2: better in your body. I know that when I'm eating

519
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 2: plant based, I do feel generally happier.

520
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:24,480
Speaker 1: I just feel more comfortable in my body. Yeah, I mean, there's.

521
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 3: So much evidence now that I mean, and I wouldn't

522
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 3: even say I wouldn't even say that you have to

523
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 3: be fully plant based, but I almost want to shift

524
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 3: it to like plant full, because it's like it's not

525
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 3: that you're I mean, there's no question you want to

526
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 3: avoid the stuff you already know you want to avoid, right,

527
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 3: we don't have to go into that, but like it's

528
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 3: more that are people eating enough fiber? So to me,

529
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:52,719
Speaker 3: it's like eat more fruits and vegetables in general, Like

530
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 3: that's the that's where I tell people to go. I'm

531
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 3: not even like eat less of xyz. I'm like, eat

532
00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 3: more fruits and vegetables. And I think naturally those fruits

533
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 3: and veteas will like crowd out the rest of the

534
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 3: other stuff, because if you're eating intuitively, I think you

535
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 3: will naturally. You know, you'll you'll stop when you're full

536
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 3: a little bit more. You'll eat when you're hungry a

537
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 3: little bit more. And so if you're just sort of saying, Okay,

538
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 3: eighty percent of my plate has got to be fruits

539
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 3: and vegetables, you're gonna get full because those fibers are filling.

540
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:22,480
Speaker 3: So that's kind of the way I go. Instead of saying,

541
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 3: take out all the meat, take out all the everything,

542
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 3: I'm always like, just add more fruits and vegetables. I

543
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 3: bet you that will make you feel so much better.

544
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 2: Aside from inevitably kombusha. When we think about what we're

545
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:37,959
Speaker 2: drinking as well, is water one of those things that

546
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 2: we really need to be cognizant of when it comes

547
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 2: to overall gut health and mood too.

548
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 3: There have been minimal studies done on water and the microbiome.

549
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 3: I've read a few, but that's not enough to say

550
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 3: we know a lot. What we know from the few

551
00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 3: that have been done is that those that drink you know,

552
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 3: eight cups or more have a more abundant microbiome. But

553
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 3: we don't know that that's causally yet because those are

554
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 3: kind of studies where you look at populations and you're

555
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:10,719
Speaker 3: just like, how much water do you drink? How much

556
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:12,240
Speaker 3: water do you drink? How much water do you drink,

557
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 3: and then they look at their microbombs. So we don't

558
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 3: know if it's the water doing that or if it

559
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 3: just happens to be that the people that hydrate more

560
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 3: also eat more fruits and vegetables, you know. So it's

561
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 3: not enough to say water is good for your gut,

562
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 3: but probably it is. There's there's links to suggest it,

563
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 3: and there's also links to say when you have less

564
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 3: water is less abundant. I think as it relates to

565
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 3: the microbiome, the things that are really studied are alcohol.

566
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 3: So alcohol, excess alcohol is pretty toxic to the gut.

567
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, and it wipes out, it wipes out your

568
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 4: microbiome pretty quickly, especially when you drink more than two

569
00:31:56,480 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 4: cup to I was gonna say doses to you know,

570
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 4: glasses or whatever of alcohol two days in a row,

571
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 4: Like that's when it really if you do you do

572
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 4: that two days in a row, like on the average,

573
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 4: really wipes out with microboon and then.

574
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 3: That pro inflammatory bacteria goes up, the good bacteria goes down,

575
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 3: and you know you've got to work to bring that

576
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 3: back into balance. So it's not don't drink alcohol, it's

577
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 3: more avoid excess alcohol because there's a point where your

578
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 3: your gut is really impacted. And then of course, yeah,

579
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 3: things you can drink to improve your gut would be, yeah,

580
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 3: things with prebiotics in them, and.

581
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 2: Probiotics and probiotics, post biotics, dream.

582
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, the dream team.

583
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 2: The last thing that I want to ask here really

584
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 2: surrounds the idea of how do we know, Like, how

585
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 2: do you know, aside from maybe the fact that your

586
00:32:57,480 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 2: mood maybe out of whack, Like, how do you know

587
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 2: if your gut is out of whack? For someone who

588
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 2: isn't cognizant or just starting to really learn about the

589
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 2: fact that their gut does impact so much of the body,

590
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 2: what is a red flag? How can we know if

591
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 2: there is something to be concerned of when it comes

592
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 2: to our gut?

593
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say the number one way. And I

594
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 3: don't know if we I don't know if you went

595
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 3: into this conversation thinking we were going to talk about poop,

596
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 3: but here we are, and that's that's the number one

597
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 3: way we I mean, and if it's okay, I'll just

598
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 3: I'm not embarrassed to talk about it. It's something we do

599
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 3: every day. I think we need to throw that stigma

600
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 3: away because it's probably one of the biggest indicators we

601
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 3: have to our microbiome health is what is sitting in

602
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 3: the toilet and how it got there. So we should

603
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 3: be going daily every day. It should be easy to go,

604
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 3: and it should be you know, a certain sort of stature.

605
00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 3: I mean, there's a there's a stool chart. You don't

606
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 3: want it to be to you soft or too hard,

607
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 3: and it should be like, you know, sort of in

608
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 3: the middle, and that should be happening every day. What

609
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:09,319
Speaker 3: was interesting to me when I was a nutritionist is

610
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:14,400
Speaker 3: even seemingly healthy people fit people that like, you know,

611
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 3: looked pretty good. Sometimes we're only going once every couple days,

612
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 3: once every one, two, three days, and they're like, Oh,

613
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:21,360
Speaker 3: that's me, that's my normal.

614
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:21,759
Speaker 1: It's not.

615
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 3: It's actually not like that. That's a sign the air

616
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 3: microbiome is off, and you know, it could compound and

617
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 3: show up in different ways later on in life and

618
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 3: even in your current life. Right there might be sluggishness

619
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 3: in general, fatigue, things that you're not necessarily thinking about

620
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:39,720
Speaker 3: gut health with. So I would say that's the number

621
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:42,879
Speaker 3: one way. If you see gut health specialists, a lot

622
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 3: of them will tell you that any skin disorder they

623
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 3: see is gut related. Like I've heard that repeatedly from

624
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:53,400
Speaker 3: a few people saying, if I see, if I see

625
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 3: like any kind of chronic skin issue, the gut is involved.

626
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 3: So that's another indicator. But I bet you those people

627
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:06,319
Speaker 3: also are not there's something with their digestion that's not right.

628
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 3: So of course things like bloating, gas and ingestion, all

629
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 3: of these things are signs. But I think that's pretty obvious.

630
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 3: I would I would always. I would tell you that

631
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:19,359
Speaker 3: like fifty percent of the people when I say the

632
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 3: poop every day thing, they're like, I don't do that,

633
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 3: and I'm like, I.

634
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:25,240
Speaker 1: Know, we got to hear it. I know it's a problem.

635
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:26,880
Speaker 1: It's a java.

636
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:31,280
Speaker 2: The real last question I'll ask you, because it feels

637
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:34,239
Speaker 2: fitting here, is someone might be listening to this and

638
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:36,239
Speaker 2: think to themselves like, Okay, so are you saying the

639
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 2: answer to all of my woes is that I should

640
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 2: be drinking a kombucha every day, Like, is there's such

641
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 2: a thing as drinking too much kombucha?

642
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 3: Well, first, I will just say I would never say that,

643
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 3: you know, because the gut nutrition is first, and the

644
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 3: gut is so complex and it requires, as I mentioned,

645
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 3: all kinds of things to support it. So my answer

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Speaker 3: to you would be the solution is to eat more

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Speaker 3: fruits and vegetables and more varieties of fruits and vegetables,

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Speaker 3: and then avoid excess alcohol and only take antibiotics when necessary,

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Speaker 3: because these are two things that really kill your microbiome.

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Speaker 3: And then lastly, incorporate fermented foods into your diet because

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Speaker 3: they really are super foods for your gut and you

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Speaker 3: don't have to do kombucha alone. Key for Sauer kraut.

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Speaker 3: And you know if you head to your local farmers

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Speaker 3: market that you have lots of fermented foods. Now almost

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Speaker 3: everywhere I've been, I'm one of those geeks that no

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Speaker 3: matter what city I go to, I'm like, okay, and

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Speaker 3: when is the farmer's market? And everywhere I go there

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Speaker 3: is something fermented. So I know a lot of us

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Speaker 3: have access to it. So those would be the four

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Speaker 3: ways I'd say.

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Speaker 1: It, all right, all right, Dina.

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Speaker 2: I'm so excited that we were able to reconnect here

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Speaker 2: and so many good takeaways when it comes to mood

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Speaker 2: and the gut and microbone biome and all the biotics

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Speaker 2: for me. Yeah, so and post, how do the herd

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Speaker 2: follow along with you? How do they keep up with you?

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Speaker 2: Give us your details?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, you can always follow along with health Aid

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Speaker 3: and that's you know, at health Aid. But me personally,

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Speaker 3: I post a bunch about gut health every Monday. I'm

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Speaker 3: always doing like a you know, sort of gut health

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Speaker 3: flash post. So you can follow me on Instagram as well.

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Speaker 3: And that's just my name at Dinah Trout.

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Speaker 2: At Dinah Trout, I'm over at Emily a Body and

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Speaker 2: at Hurdle Podcast Another Hurdle Conquered.

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Speaker 1: Catch you guys next time