1 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:14,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Therapy for Black Girls Podcast, a weekly 2 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 1: conversation about mental health, personal development, and all the small 3 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:22,320 Speaker 1: decisions we can make to become the best possible versions 4 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:26,440 Speaker 1: of ourselves. I'm your host, Dr Joy hard and Bradford, 5 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 1: a licensed psychologist in Atlanta, Georgia. For more information or 6 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:35,400 Speaker 1: to find a therapist in your area, visit our website 7 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 1: at Therapy for Black Girls dot com. While I hope 8 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 1: you love listening to and learning from the podcast, it 9 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 1: is not meant to be a substitute for a relationship 10 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:57,280 Speaker 1: with a licensed mental health professional. Hey, y'all, thanks so 11 00:00:57,360 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 1: much for joining me for session of the Therapy for 12 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 1: a Black Girl's podcast. We'll get right into our conversation 13 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:15,280 Speaker 1: after a word from our sponsors. In our first introduction 14 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:18,679 Speaker 1: to Wakanda, we flocked to the theaters with jubilation and 15 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:23,400 Speaker 1: pride to revel in the on screen magnificence, the characters, costumes, 16 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 1: and world building. But this time, the experience of going 17 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:28,880 Speaker 1: to the movies with family and friends to see the 18 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:32,959 Speaker 1: new Black Panther film felt a little different. Many of 19 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 1: us were adorned in white bodies, calm and heart steady 20 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 1: as we prepared for what we knew would be both 21 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:42,480 Speaker 1: a cinematic gym and a grieving experience. Grief for the 22 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:46,840 Speaker 1: loss of our beloved Chadwick Boseman, our Black Panther, grief 23 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 1: for the world that has drastically changed since the original 24 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 1: film premiered in and the private grief we all hold 25 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 1: in our hearts for our own meaningful reasons. It all 26 00:01:57,280 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 1: felt like seeing your favorite cousins at a funeral, happy 27 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 1: to see them because it's been a minute, but you 28 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 1: wish it were under different circumstances. To discuss what kind 29 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:09,119 Speaker 1: of forever in depth this week, I'm joined by our 30 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:14,360 Speaker 1: beloved podcast producers Cindy Elise and Freedom. We explore the 31 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 1: complexities of grief displayed across characters in the film, comment 32 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 1: on storylines we were surprised and delighted by, and make 33 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:25,919 Speaker 1: predictions for the future of the Black Panther franchise. Please 34 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:28,920 Speaker 1: note that this episode does include spoilers for the film, 35 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:31,560 Speaker 1: so if you haven't had the opportunity to watch, please 36 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 1: put the episode on pause in return once you've had 37 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 1: time to enjoy it. If something resonates with you while 38 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 1: enjoying our conversation, please share with us on social media 39 00:02:40,919 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 1: using the hashtag TVG in session or join us over 40 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:47,800 Speaker 1: the sister circles to talk more in depth about the episode. 41 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:50,639 Speaker 1: You can join us at community dot Therapy for Black 42 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:58,480 Speaker 1: Girls dot com. Here's our conversation. So we are chatting 43 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:02,639 Speaker 1: today for another wonderful producers Chad about one of our 44 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:08,440 Speaker 1: new favorite movies, Black Panther to What KINDA Forever? So again, 45 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 1: if we could just start by doing introductions of who 46 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:13,919 Speaker 1: you are in your role on the team. Hi, I'm 47 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 1: Cindy and one of the producers. Hi, I'm at least 48 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 1: I'm one of the producers on the Therapy for Black 49 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 1: Girls podcast. Hey I'm free. I'm also one of the 50 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 1: producers here at Therapy for Black Girls. Perfect all right, 51 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 1: So I thought that we could start, as at least suggested, 52 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:34,519 Speaker 1: by going around and saying three adjectives that would describe 53 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 1: your experience of watching What KINDA Forever? I don't have 54 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 1: three adjectives, but I have three words. Colonizer's watch out. 55 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 1: You have a message. I'm just picking up with the 56 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 1: message of the film. What about you? At least it 57 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:54,839 Speaker 1: was soul stirring. I feel like that's a good way 58 00:03:54,880 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 1: to describe it. Dynamic, and it was funny. I thought 59 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 1: it was funny. Mm hmmm. I think my three words 60 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:17,799 Speaker 1: would be moving, beautiful, and thought provoking. That would be mine. Cindy, 61 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 1: did you have three words that would describe your experiencing 62 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:28,280 Speaker 1: what kind of forever three words? I think heavy, isolating, 63 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:37,120 Speaker 1: and beautiful. Isolating is an interesting choice. Say more about isolating. Yeah. 64 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 1: I think it's also because, like I had recently experienced 65 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 1: a passing and so like it was lovely to to 66 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:50,720 Speaker 1: kind of like see grief manifested on screen, but I 67 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:55,440 Speaker 1: also went by myself, and I also was like feeling 68 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:59,720 Speaker 1: very like withdrawn personally because I was just like in 69 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:03,360 Speaker 1: that reflective space. I think I was processing a lot 70 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 1: of emotions in tandem with the movie, and so in 71 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:11,039 Speaker 1: certain ways, like there were moments that I felt very isolated, 72 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:14,560 Speaker 1: just because like I had been carrying like a lot 73 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 1: of grief and like all the different stages and phases, 74 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 1: like the first one, I remember being so excited and 75 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 1: ready to celebrate, but like going to see this one, 76 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:26,240 Speaker 1: I was a little bit fearful. I think it was 77 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:30,800 Speaker 1: because I was worried about how overwhelming the emotions were 78 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:34,359 Speaker 1: going to be for me, both the fictional ones, but 79 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 1: also the ones that are real for me, and so 80 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 1: I ended up choosing to see it by myself just 81 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 1: because I wasn't sure if I was going to like 82 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:49,520 Speaker 1: cry through the whole thing and just be disruptive. So yeah, 83 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:52,279 Speaker 1: so let's talk about like your experience of going to 84 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:55,159 Speaker 1: the movie so before when we found out that it 85 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 1: was coming out. Of course it was this whole family 86 00:05:57,120 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 1: meeting around, like wearing white to the theater, like bringing 87 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:02,720 Speaker 1: all of your people. And what was your experience of 88 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:04,599 Speaker 1: seeing the film for the first time, because I believe 89 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:07,360 Speaker 1: both of you have seen it multiple times. I've only 90 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 1: seen it once. But what was your experience the first time? 91 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 1: Did you wear white? Did you go with your family? 92 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:15,039 Speaker 1: What was it like? I did not get the memo 93 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 1: of wearing white and was properly annoyed with myself and 94 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:23,479 Speaker 1: my squad. We literally were looking like, oh, you know, 95 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 1: I think we we missed something online. We didn't get. 96 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 1: This is embarrassing. Somebody have any white socks to show? Please? 97 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 1: What about you? At least the first time I actually 98 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:38,680 Speaker 1: went by myself, I didn't wear a white but it 99 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:41,279 Speaker 1: was great singing alone. The second time I went with 100 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:43,960 Speaker 1: a big group of people also didn't wear a white 101 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:48,880 Speaker 1: or anything like that, but it was I liked chatting 102 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:51,480 Speaker 1: with everyone. I think I went with twelve people about 103 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:55,799 Speaker 1: their expectations for the movie and what they liked about 104 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 1: the first one, if they really remembered it because Black 105 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 1: Panther One was so long ago. And then after kind 106 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:04,680 Speaker 1: of deciphering with people like didn't live up to your expectations? 107 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 1: Do you think they did? Chadwick Justice, all those different things. 108 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 1: So going with a lot of people was exciting because 109 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 1: I kind of got a range of opinions about the 110 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 1: movie other than my own. M I hear that. So 111 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:19,120 Speaker 1: even though I have not seen it again, I do 112 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 1: plan on seeing it again. So I saw it for 113 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:24,080 Speaker 1: the first time with my husband and two kids, and 114 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 1: so I felt like I was a little distracted because 115 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 1: it's a long movie, so we had to have a 116 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 1: potty break in the middle. So I feel like I 117 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 1: missed some some pretty crucial conversation, and I felt like 118 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:36,120 Speaker 1: I was answering a lot of questions. So I feel 119 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 1: like I need to go back for myself when I 120 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 1: can be undistracted. But we did not wear white, so 121 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 1: I do feel like there was more, at least for me. 122 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 1: It felt like I was in character for the first one, right, 123 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 1: so I think I had a head wrap on and 124 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:52,680 Speaker 1: like all black. I don't think we had a specific 125 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 1: color theme for the first one. I think it was 126 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 1: just like getting in some kind of like costume or 127 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 1: you know, what we would imagine people would wear in Wakanda. 128 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 1: And I didn't feel that same energy for this one, 129 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:09,360 Speaker 1: and I think it it was a part of grief, right, 130 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 1: like a loss of Chadwick. And I'm sure we will 131 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 1: talk about, but to me, I was very excited about 132 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 1: seeing this film, but it didn't feel as like joyful 133 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 1: maybe or like you know, like I didn't have that 134 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 1: same level of a high wanting to go see this 135 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:27,520 Speaker 1: one as I did the first one. So what do 136 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:30,680 Speaker 1: you feel like has stayed with you since you saw 137 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 1: the film. I think the thing that has stayed with 138 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 1: me is like the sunrise sort of feeling where there's 139 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:45,840 Speaker 1: like always hope and joy, like there's always something else 140 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:48,679 Speaker 1: on the other side. Like that seems to have been 141 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 1: the theme that like stuck with me the most after 142 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 1: seeing it, is that like the sun will still rise 143 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:59,720 Speaker 1: and like you have the opportunity to like have what's next, 144 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 1: which is really cool. What stuck with me was the 145 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 1: way that Queen Ramonda, played by Angela Bassett, the way 146 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 1: that she delivered a very painful punishment to Akoyer, but 147 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 1: also was merciful in that punishment. Initially, when I saw 148 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:34,960 Speaker 1: the scene, I thought Queen Ramonda was being too harsh, 149 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:37,680 Speaker 1: Like in the initial moment when a Coyer is crying 150 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:40,319 Speaker 1: and she's like, and we know this as the audience 151 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:43,319 Speaker 1: we root for. I was rooting for a Koyer. She's 152 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 1: clearly is willing to lay her life down for this 153 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:50,720 Speaker 1: kingdom and for the royal family and for everything that 154 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:54,440 Speaker 1: the country stands for. And I was like, oh, Queen Ramonda, 155 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:56,840 Speaker 1: like you're being a little rough, you know, like taking 156 00:09:57,000 --> 00:09:59,720 Speaker 1: really her livelihood away from her in front of everybody. 157 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:02,880 Speaker 1: I just felt so for a moment, I just felt 158 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:06,560 Speaker 1: like so much. But then when she defended her actions 159 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 1: and I really thought about it, as a queen, she 160 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 1: could kill a Koya for this. This is punishable by 161 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:16,200 Speaker 1: death by other kingdoms. Right, You've lost the princess. And 162 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:22,560 Speaker 1: I realized, even when people harm black women and we 163 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 1: are rightfully entitled to be angry, I'll still think, oh, 164 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:29,640 Speaker 1: maybe you should be a little nicer and even having 165 00:10:29,640 --> 00:10:32,559 Speaker 1: to unlearn that as a black woman. No, let her 166 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 1: be mad, Let her be furious. She has lost everything. 167 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:41,439 Speaker 1: I'm sympathizing with the Koya's character. Akoya didn't lose her daughter. 168 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 1: Acoya didn't lose her son. Granted, Acoy did everything to 169 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:48,760 Speaker 1: protect those two individuals for what I know of her, 170 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:51,960 Speaker 1: but that's what stuck with me. Let black women be mad. 171 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 1: She didn't want to be mad with a Koya. She 172 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 1: didn't want to have to strick her from being the 173 00:10:57,559 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 1: general of the army, but it had to be done. 174 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:04,680 Speaker 1: And I think personally for me going into my thirties 175 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 1: in this next year in three, identifying when it's really 176 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:13,839 Speaker 1: more than acceptable to be furious and how you can 177 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:17,679 Speaker 1: still be merciful and respectful even when you're laying the 178 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:20,200 Speaker 1: law down on somebody. And I think that that was 179 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:23,439 Speaker 1: a lesson that I really needed to learn. I did 180 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:25,840 Speaker 1: not look at it that way. I appreciate you, shann 181 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:28,080 Speaker 1: and I hadn't hadn't seen it in that way, but 182 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 1: I clearly see what you're saying, now, what about you? 183 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 1: At least would have stayed with you. You guys all 184 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:35,480 Speaker 1: talked a little bit about this, but of course, grief 185 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:38,080 Speaker 1: was a really big theme in the film, and I 186 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 1: think between Kingdom Or, Queen Ramonda, Nikia, and Sherry, they 187 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:49,079 Speaker 1: all were experiencing grief. And what stuck with me about 188 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:51,440 Speaker 1: that was how grief can be like a vehicle to 189 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:53,840 Speaker 1: a lot of other emotions and a lot of other 190 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 1: actions that I guess there's a range of responses to grief, 191 00:11:57,080 --> 00:11:59,040 Speaker 1: and I think you saw it through each of those characters. 192 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:03,080 Speaker 1: And so with Queen Ramunday was anger that was a 193 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 1: big part of her grief, and with Serry, she was 194 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 1: grappling between anger and forgiveness, and you saw that in 195 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 1: the scene with kill Monger's character all that in that scene. 196 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:15,680 Speaker 1: And then with Nikia, it was isolation, like she went 197 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:19,480 Speaker 1: to Haiti, she didn't come back for the funeral, She 198 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:23,200 Speaker 1: really removed herself from Wakanda, which probably was a big 199 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 1: symbol of her grief. And then I don't have the 200 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:30,840 Speaker 1: clearest picture of this, but for Kingdom or the Water King, 201 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:34,960 Speaker 1: when it looked like he was also really angry about 202 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:38,440 Speaker 1: his homeland being taken away, what was being done to 203 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:41,559 Speaker 1: his people, then having to hide and defend themselves against 204 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:44,960 Speaker 1: like the Western World are just world powers in general, 205 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:48,400 Speaker 1: and so it seemed like he was just very angry 206 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 1: at the situation his country was in or his kingdom 207 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:54,720 Speaker 1: was in. And I think, to point to what Frieda said, 208 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:59,079 Speaker 1: sometimes we police the way people of color respond to grief. 209 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:01,360 Speaker 1: And I think all those characters painting like a very 210 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:04,439 Speaker 1: beautiful picture and a realistic picture of how people respond 211 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 1: to being exploited, being violated, death, things like that, which 212 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:12,960 Speaker 1: I think all encompass grief. M I completely agree with you, 213 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:15,240 Speaker 1: and you know, I know, in kind of thinking about 214 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 1: us recording this episode, we were talking about like, Okay, 215 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:20,280 Speaker 1: at what point did you start crying in the movie? 216 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:22,960 Speaker 1: I started crying from the beginning, Like I cried throughout 217 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:26,160 Speaker 1: as soon as the credits started rolling, Like the Silent 218 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:30,080 Speaker 1: Mintage of Chadwick, I started crying from the beginning and 219 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:32,720 Speaker 1: cried on and all throughout. Some of them were I 220 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:36,000 Speaker 1: feel like, tears of sadness, but also I feel like 221 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 1: just very moved, Like it just felt very stirring to me, 222 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:42,800 Speaker 1: just because again, like this whole world built with like 223 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 1: all black people and other people of color, like to me, 224 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:49,920 Speaker 1: it's just so incredible and feels like aspirational in some ways. 225 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:54,040 Speaker 1: Such such a departure from actual reality. And I also 226 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:58,080 Speaker 1: felt like I found myself. And I know that some 227 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:00,320 Speaker 1: of the tears I was crying really had thing to 228 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:02,280 Speaker 1: do with the film, right, Like, I feel like it 229 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:04,640 Speaker 1: just was a way for me to release I think 230 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 1: some of what I was holding onto, like my own 231 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:10,400 Speaker 1: grief not necessarily related to like losses of people, but 232 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 1: like just the losses of the past couple of years 233 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:16,040 Speaker 1: and just you know, the loss of Chadwick and thinking 234 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:18,360 Speaker 1: about you know, we've seen the cast as they've done 235 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 1: pressed forward and talking about how they all were grieving collectively. 236 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 1: So I'm also imagining like what that was like for 237 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:27,640 Speaker 1: them to be on set with one another without him, 238 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 1: and you know, just thinking about what this experience had 239 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:31,960 Speaker 1: been like for his family. So I feel like the 240 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:34,080 Speaker 1: film just kind of pulled on a lot of that, 241 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:37,200 Speaker 1: and I think a lot of people had similar reactions, 242 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 1: you know to kind of the grief related to the 243 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:42,080 Speaker 1: loss of him, but also whatever was going on in 244 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 1: your own personal life. I think the film gave us 245 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:47,280 Speaker 1: space for for that to kind of come to the surface. 246 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 1: I held my tears until the very end, but when yeah, 247 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 1: because I because I didn't want to cry, because I 248 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:58,840 Speaker 1: lost someone this year, a male figure in my life, 249 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:02,040 Speaker 1: And similar to what Cindy was saying, it's just knowing 250 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 1: that you have to continue on without this person and 251 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:08,440 Speaker 1: they would want you to do that. I feel like 252 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:11,280 Speaker 1: that's a that's a narrative that has been true and 253 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 1: consistently shared about this film. We all want Black Panther 254 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 1: to continue, and knowing that in order for us to 255 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 1: do that, we have to continue without Chadwick. And in 256 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:22,480 Speaker 1: order for me to continue on without my life, I 257 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:25,600 Speaker 1: have to do it without my loved one. So I 258 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:27,360 Speaker 1: didn't want to cry because I just felt like as 259 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 1: soon as I started, I don't know what I would stop. 260 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:33,280 Speaker 1: But when Sherry got to the beach, there's something about 261 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:35,800 Speaker 1: the ocean, maybe because there's just so much water around you. 262 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 1: Crying next to the ocean, you feel like your tears 263 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 1: are so small, no one can see these. Everyone's focusing 264 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:43,160 Speaker 1: on the ocean. That's a much bigger body of water 265 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:46,280 Speaker 1: than what's coming out of my eyes. When she sat down, 266 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:49,920 Speaker 1: I felt like, you know, eventually we all will have 267 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 1: to sit down, or not, eventually we will have to 268 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 1: but it is in our best interest to eventually sit 269 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:58,880 Speaker 1: down and really circumb to the sadness that you might feel, 270 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 1: and I just let it all out. And then Rihanna's 271 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 1: song Lift Me Up is just so beautiful. It's just 272 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:11,000 Speaker 1: it's so good. There's something about it that really touched 273 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 1: a court in my heart. And I do think that 274 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:17,640 Speaker 1: that speaks to to your earlier point in lease around 275 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:19,920 Speaker 1: like the different ways that people manage grief. And we 276 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:23,040 Speaker 1: saw that even with sureI and Queen Romanda. You know, 277 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:25,800 Speaker 1: the Queen was trying to move through these like stages 278 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:28,480 Speaker 1: of grief, like these are the rituals we burned the clothes, 279 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 1: whereas Surely it felt like kind of threw herself into 280 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 1: her work, was doing more intellectualizing, like not wanting to 281 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:37,960 Speaker 1: deal with the grief, until she realized, like there is 282 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:40,840 Speaker 1: no outrunning it, like you cannot outwork it. Like grief 283 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:44,320 Speaker 1: will always make a space for itself, whether we want 284 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 1: to do that or not. And so sometimes it is 285 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:49,680 Speaker 1: easier to just allow ourselves to make space for it, 286 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:52,600 Speaker 1: as opposed to trying to outwork it or outrun it, 287 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:55,240 Speaker 1: or throw ourselves into all kinds of different projects whatever 288 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 1: we used to to cope with it. Sometimes it is 289 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:00,840 Speaker 1: just best to kind of make space to process and 290 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 1: deal with it. So the other thing that I think 291 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:07,280 Speaker 1: that there had been a lot of speculation about and like, Okay, 292 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:10,440 Speaker 1: we knew I think with some of the later trailers 293 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:13,280 Speaker 1: that there was going to be another Black Panther, like 294 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:16,280 Speaker 1: somebody was going to be wearing the costume. I don't 295 00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:19,040 Speaker 1: think we knew who. I think kind of we were guessing, like, Okay, 296 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:21,680 Speaker 1: this looks like a woman's figure, so we think maybe 297 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:24,399 Speaker 1: this is a woman. So how did you all feel 298 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:27,800 Speaker 1: about the fact that Shari was the one who became 299 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:31,919 Speaker 1: the next Black Panther. I loved it. I thought in 300 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:37,399 Speaker 1: the first movie she was more of like comedic relief, 301 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:39,640 Speaker 1: even though she was really important to a lot of 302 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 1: the action, her being the Black Panther and just also 303 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:46,000 Speaker 1: her being the central figure in the movie kind of 304 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:48,919 Speaker 1: moving the story forward. I think it was fun to 305 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:51,679 Speaker 1: see like just her character I think advance, and I 306 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:53,840 Speaker 1: think having her be the Black Panther was kind of 307 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:56,840 Speaker 1: like the cherry on top of that, and a scene 308 00:17:56,840 --> 00:18:00,159 Speaker 1: in the movie that signified that Sherry is more than 309 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 1: like a sidekick, and so I did enjoy that, and 310 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:05,080 Speaker 1: I think we saw that in the first movie, like 311 00:18:05,119 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 1: she's the one behind the technology. So it was very 312 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:10,440 Speaker 1: fitting for her to like take that on because one, 313 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:13,480 Speaker 1: no one could have understood the Black Panther role like 314 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 1: her because of her relationship to the technology, but also 315 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:18,600 Speaker 1: because it was her brother. And so I thought that 316 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:22,439 Speaker 1: was really fitting. And you're probably gonna touch on this, 317 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 1: but at the end of the movie, we find out 318 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 1: that T'Challa has a son, and so I'm really excited 319 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:31,760 Speaker 1: looking forward to see his relationship with Sherry and how 320 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:33,919 Speaker 1: if he's going to take over the role of the 321 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:36,600 Speaker 1: Black Panther, if he's interested in that, And so I 322 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:39,000 Speaker 1: thought it was really heartwarming, But it also kind of 323 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:41,639 Speaker 1: moved Sherry to a central character instead of like the 324 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:46,160 Speaker 1: funny little sister. I really loved the princess Sherry became 325 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:51,480 Speaker 1: the Black Panther. I was very inspired by her recreating, 326 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:57,280 Speaker 1: reigniting the heart shaped herb that gives them the Vibratian powers. 327 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:03,640 Speaker 1: And I think it was firing because if at any 328 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:07,040 Speaker 1: point in time, you ever think there's been so much 329 00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:10,199 Speaker 1: hardship in your family and sometimes it just feels like 330 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:13,680 Speaker 1: your family can't bounce back. It just felt like even 331 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:16,480 Speaker 1: if all of your resources, everything that your family has 332 00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:19,320 Speaker 1: ever known that defined them. Even if it's all burned 333 00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:23,160 Speaker 1: to the ground, your family lineage will never die if 334 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:26,199 Speaker 1: you continue, if you continue to love each other, if 335 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:28,960 Speaker 1: you continue to believe in yourself, if you continue your 336 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:32,720 Speaker 1: your family lineage doesn't die with the dead. It lives 337 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:36,000 Speaker 1: on with the living. And because we saw kill Monger 338 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:39,640 Speaker 1: burn all of it, but with her genius, in her 339 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:45,640 Speaker 1: tenacity and brilliance, she literally brought the family back. And 340 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:49,120 Speaker 1: I feel like I feel like that. I feel like 341 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 1: I'm going into a time in my life where I'm thinking, 342 00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:58,120 Speaker 1: wait a second, am I the future matriarch of my family? Like, oh, yeah, 343 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:01,120 Speaker 1: my grandma passed, my mom will pass one day, it'll 344 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:05,479 Speaker 1: be me. I gotta get this family together. And if 345 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:07,600 Speaker 1: Sure you can do it, I can't too. I just 346 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:11,560 Speaker 1: think that, like having Sure You become the Black Panther 347 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:16,440 Speaker 1: is one of those things where it is showing the 348 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:23,359 Speaker 1: place of innovation within tradition and so like there's a 349 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:26,199 Speaker 1: way that she's like marrying like the old rituals and 350 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:31,200 Speaker 1: traditions to a new kind of like outlook, and like 351 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:34,760 Speaker 1: that just shows you how like cultures and communities continue 352 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:37,880 Speaker 1: to evolve, and like that resiliency is also why we're 353 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:41,000 Speaker 1: still here. Like when you think about black culture, you 354 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:44,159 Speaker 1: think about like the African diaspora, there's a lot of 355 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:47,160 Speaker 1: separation and a lot of innovation that happened within that, 356 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 1: and that's the reason that like we're able to have 357 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:53,679 Speaker 1: all these different like expressions of who we are that 358 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 1: are still linked. And so for me, I also feel like, sure, 359 00:20:57,320 --> 00:21:00,280 Speaker 1: you're becoming the Black Panther in that way, despite like 360 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:05,560 Speaker 1: you know her, I guess like rebellion against like traditional 361 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:07,720 Speaker 1: rituals and stuff, like when her mom was trying to 362 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:09,920 Speaker 1: get her to do all those things, but she still 363 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:13,400 Speaker 1: found a way to like integrate those two things together 364 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:18,199 Speaker 1: for herself, and it still allows for Wakonda and the 365 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:22,000 Speaker 1: Black Panther to continue on. And so that's what I 366 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:25,439 Speaker 1: love the most about this choice is that it shows 367 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:28,960 Speaker 1: a way forward in a way that allows to be 368 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:32,240 Speaker 1: like more expansive and like break what you think that 369 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:34,440 Speaker 1: you know about what it means to be the Black 370 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:48,360 Speaker 1: Panther more from our conversation after the break. So one 371 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:50,800 Speaker 1: of the other things that I really loved, and I 372 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:52,560 Speaker 1: think y'all are kind of speaking to some of this. 373 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:56,399 Speaker 1: It definitely feels like the quote unquote black girl magic 374 00:21:56,520 --> 00:22:00,080 Speaker 1: felt very strong in this film, and so you know, 375 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:03,480 Speaker 1: I loved all of the genius of Shari and I 376 00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:06,600 Speaker 1: always love the dorm malajing like they're so powerful and 377 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:10,240 Speaker 1: like to me, it is just such a departure from 378 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:12,399 Speaker 1: what we typically see on screen in terms of like 379 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:15,280 Speaker 1: the armed protectors, like and for it to be a 380 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:18,040 Speaker 1: whole army of black women like that, to me, it's 381 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:21,880 Speaker 1: just so incredible. But I also really love the introduction 382 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:24,720 Speaker 1: of re Re Williams, who now of course is a 383 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:27,800 Speaker 1: part of the Marvel universe and you know, to your 384 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 1: earlier point at least around funny, Like I really feel 385 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:34,200 Speaker 1: like some of the dynamics with Shurey Rearly and a 386 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:37,160 Speaker 1: Coyer were like some of the funniest moments on screen. 387 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:40,239 Speaker 1: So I really enjoyed that, and I found like a 388 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:42,400 Speaker 1: part of that is what was so moving to me too, 389 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:44,680 Speaker 1: is that like you see this world where like black 390 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:48,000 Speaker 1: women are in control and like just doing all the 391 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:50,760 Speaker 1: things right, like like there is no part of Wakanda 392 00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:53,480 Speaker 1: that is not touched by a black woman kind of 393 00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 1: running things, which I also find like just incredibly inspirational. 394 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:01,760 Speaker 1: I loved Dreary so much. It was So the second 395 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:05,159 Speaker 1: time I saw the movie, I had dipped out the 396 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:07,680 Speaker 1: theater for like ten minutes to drink and I came 397 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:09,440 Speaker 1: back right when she was introduced. I was like, great, 398 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:12,240 Speaker 1: this is like my favorite part of the movie. She 399 00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:15,919 Speaker 1: was so lively. Honestly, her energy kind of reminded me 400 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:20,720 Speaker 1: of Shicari Richardson. She had a I D GF attitude, 401 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:25,879 Speaker 1: but she was really smart and she knew that she 402 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:28,120 Speaker 1: was really good at what she did. And I think 403 00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:31,439 Speaker 1: that was really refreshing to see because a lot of 404 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:36,520 Speaker 1: times black women, especially black girls, aren't really affirmed like, oh, yeah, 405 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:39,280 Speaker 1: you're really smart and okay to like be cocky about 406 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:41,560 Speaker 1: that and be proud of that. You don't have to 407 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:44,560 Speaker 1: be like, you know, the humble nerd in the corner. 408 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:46,800 Speaker 1: And so I thought that was really exciting. It was 409 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:50,359 Speaker 1: good to see kind of the dynamics between like a 410 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:53,840 Speaker 1: Wakandan and then like a Black American. I liked again 411 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:58,080 Speaker 1: how that like African diaspora was highlighted through that. Obviously, 412 00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:01,120 Speaker 1: like she had braids and they were like so many 413 00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:02,879 Speaker 1: different styles in Wakanda and in the States. But it 414 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:05,000 Speaker 1: was just really beautiful to see like so many different 415 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:08,080 Speaker 1: types of black women on screen. And then it was 416 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:10,480 Speaker 1: really heartwarming at the end of the movie to see 417 00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:13,919 Speaker 1: Sherry fix up her car and she had lost her 418 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:15,919 Speaker 1: dad as well and had worked on the car with 419 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:18,800 Speaker 1: her dad, and so them kind of connecting like over 420 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 1: grief and like understanding, like those mementos are really important, 421 00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:24,879 Speaker 1: just like the Black Panther suit was important to Sherry. 422 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 1: I thought that was really beautiful too. So Maku was 423 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 1: one of my favorites from the original Black Panther, but 424 00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:35,080 Speaker 1: I really really loved him in Black Panther too, because 425 00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:37,399 Speaker 1: I do feel like his role had expanded, right, and 426 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:40,960 Speaker 1: so I loved the dynamic that it seems like he 427 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:43,960 Speaker 1: has now with Shorey, right, And it does feel like 428 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:48,320 Speaker 1: there was some conversation with Prince T'Challa around like, you know, 429 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:50,960 Speaker 1: kind of take care of her kind of in my absence, 430 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:53,360 Speaker 1: and so it feels like he has become like this 431 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:57,879 Speaker 1: wise confidante to her. And at the end, I was 432 00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:00,480 Speaker 1: a little confused, and I feel like I didn't know 433 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:03,479 Speaker 1: if he was trying to be funny by like showing 434 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:06,399 Speaker 1: up to the ceremony saying like, oh, I'm challenging for 435 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:09,720 Speaker 1: the throne, Like do you think he is going to 436 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:14,080 Speaker 1: become like the like day to day ruler of Wakanda, 437 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:16,560 Speaker 1: like the king of Wakanda, and then sure he is 438 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:19,439 Speaker 1: just gonna be off like being the black Panther or 439 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:21,520 Speaker 1: like what do you think all of that meant? At 440 00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:27,399 Speaker 1: the end, Umbaku is the rightful an appropriate king for Wakanda. 441 00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:33,400 Speaker 1: He has been a trusted advisor. He has shown up 442 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:36,520 Speaker 1: for this community. Every time they are in a pail 443 00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:40,560 Speaker 1: of trouble, he sends his soldiers in. He has graciously 444 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:43,879 Speaker 1: lost and accepted defeat when he was not able to 445 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:46,399 Speaker 1: be the king. And I feel like now it's truly 446 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:49,080 Speaker 1: his rightful time to be king of Wakanda, and that 447 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:52,400 Speaker 1: is what I'm rooting for. I I kind of saw 448 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:55,199 Speaker 1: it as like a sign of respect because this is 449 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:59,359 Speaker 1: something that he's always done with every leader of Wakanda 450 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:02,400 Speaker 1: is like com in to challenge. So I think it's 451 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:06,200 Speaker 1: also in a way an acknowledgement that like he does 452 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:10,679 Speaker 1: recognize that Sherry is black panther and that she's not 453 00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:15,440 Speaker 1: just this like little sister scientists whatever, but like it 454 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:19,159 Speaker 1: is a true ruler and like should be challenged in 455 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:23,600 Speaker 1: the traditional sense as well. So I I kind of 456 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:25,960 Speaker 1: saw it that way, a little like tongy in cheek, 457 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:29,119 Speaker 1: but like also I don't know how serious he is, 458 00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:33,120 Speaker 1: but you know, it's always fun. But just to clarify, 459 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:37,720 Speaker 1: was sure at that event, I thought she wasn't there. 460 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:41,399 Speaker 1: She wasn't. No, she wasn't. That's why I was like, 461 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:42,879 Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying, Like I don't know if she 462 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:46,080 Speaker 1: likes sent him. Yeah, I feel I felt like she 463 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:48,640 Speaker 1: sent him like in her place, like she was going 464 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:51,760 Speaker 1: to Haiti to reconnect with Nikia and you know, kind 465 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:54,440 Speaker 1: of make peace with her grief, and she sent him. 466 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:56,760 Speaker 1: That's what I was imagining, so that it was like 467 00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:59,639 Speaker 1: a comic relief, not that he was actually going to 468 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:03,080 Speaker 1: be the taking over, but I've seen some people speculate that, 469 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:05,159 Speaker 1: like it's going to be like a splitting of duties 470 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 1: where he's going to be like the king of Wakanda 471 00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:12,359 Speaker 1: and she will be the black panther and Baku is 472 00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:17,000 Speaker 1: definitely the rightful like next leader of Wakanda. I think 473 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:20,840 Speaker 1: it makes sense. I think he's done a lot for 474 00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:25,320 Speaker 1: the nation, and it's clear that he is a good 475 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:27,679 Speaker 1: leader but also still has love because I think a 476 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:31,280 Speaker 1: lot of good leaders are just like seeking control and power, 477 00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:33,000 Speaker 1: but I think he really has love for the people, 478 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:37,359 Speaker 1: and also like consistently he could really only protect his 479 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:39,800 Speaker 1: own tribe and his own people, but has done more 480 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:43,360 Speaker 1: than that. But then also like Sherry's young and has 481 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:45,720 Speaker 1: like a lot of life to live ahead of her, 482 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:48,280 Speaker 1: and so being in the position where you're the leader 483 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:51,200 Speaker 1: of an entire nation, that's a lot. I know, I 484 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:54,920 Speaker 1: wouldn't want to be CEO at twenty or twenty four. 485 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:58,040 Speaker 1: It's and it sounds good, but dealing with a lot 486 00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:00,880 Speaker 1: of grief, probably wanting to work on like her own 487 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:04,800 Speaker 1: like technological advances, just being like young and fun. I 488 00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:07,600 Speaker 1: don't know if that's really all she wants to get into. 489 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:11,080 Speaker 1: And so I think she trusts Imbaku and respects him, 490 00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:13,439 Speaker 1: and so I think that's a great set up for 491 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:17,679 Speaker 1: like the future of Wakonda. That's a good point. So 492 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:20,159 Speaker 1: how do people feel seeing Michael B. Jordan's pop up 493 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:23,000 Speaker 1: in the film when Srwery arrives to the Ancestral Plane. 494 00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:26,879 Speaker 1: I knew it wasn't going to be what she expected, 495 00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:32,080 Speaker 1: just because I guess my thought process there was like, oh, 496 00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:36,320 Speaker 1: people always talk about like genetically modified things, like mad things. 497 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:38,600 Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, they're definitely gonna throw in like 498 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:43,080 Speaker 1: something going wrong with that, and so she had her 499 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:47,760 Speaker 1: GMO purple herb and he popped up. And I think, 500 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:51,320 Speaker 1: like I said earlier, it was very reflective of the 501 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:55,000 Speaker 1: types of emotions and thoughts and traumas you can tap 502 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:58,800 Speaker 1: into when grief happens, and so a big part of 503 00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:02,120 Speaker 1: the grief she was experience, saying, kill Monger played a 504 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:03,680 Speaker 1: role in that, and so I think it was very 505 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:06,280 Speaker 1: like natural and I wasn't too surprised that he came up. 506 00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:09,160 Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, this definitely makes sense, and I 507 00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:14,920 Speaker 1: think he challenged her thinking and that maybe I think 508 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:17,520 Speaker 1: he was right, like maybe your brother was a bit 509 00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:20,520 Speaker 1: too noble, but that wasn't a bad thing. But I 510 00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:23,479 Speaker 1: think it kind of demystified and showed her like a 511 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:26,880 Speaker 1: new light to that situation. And I think grief is 512 00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:29,240 Speaker 1: so complicated and in death we can view people as 513 00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:32,280 Speaker 1: very perfect or be very angry with him. And I 514 00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:34,680 Speaker 1: think after that looked at kill Monger in a different 515 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:37,160 Speaker 1: way because she twittergree took his advice, but also looked 516 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:40,560 Speaker 1: at to Challah in a different way. And so I 517 00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:42,680 Speaker 1: was happy that they brought him back into the movie 518 00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:46,600 Speaker 1: because I think in the first Black Panther he played 519 00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:51,200 Speaker 1: like Devil's advocate a lot, but also I wouldn't want 520 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,560 Speaker 1: to say made very good points, but there was like 521 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:56,760 Speaker 1: an aggression to him, and what's the best word to say, 522 00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:01,160 Speaker 1: a drive that I think was presentative of the type 523 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:04,280 Speaker 1: of like leader. Sure he wanted to be in that moment, 524 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:06,840 Speaker 1: and so I think that's why she connected with him 525 00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:10,240 Speaker 1: in that moment. I think her going to the ancestral 526 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:13,200 Speaker 1: plane and seeing him kind of told her I have 527 00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:15,400 Speaker 1: so many ways I can react right now. There are 528 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:18,640 Speaker 1: so many ways I can be a leader. I obviously 529 00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:20,480 Speaker 1: look up to my mother, I obviously look up to 530 00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:22,680 Speaker 1: my brother. I have people around me, but this is 531 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:25,120 Speaker 1: someone who I've always viewed as an enemy who's providing 532 00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:27,560 Speaker 1: me with a different perspective. So what, I don't think 533 00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:29,600 Speaker 1: he was necessarily right or wrong. I think he was 534 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:33,200 Speaker 1: just there to show Sherry a different version of reality 535 00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:35,960 Speaker 1: than what she had looked at for so long pre 536 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:40,440 Speaker 1: the grief of losing her mom and losing her brother. Yeah, 537 00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:43,160 Speaker 1: I was shocked, but I also was like, that kind 538 00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:46,440 Speaker 1: of makes sense because like, in a way, kill Monger 539 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,240 Speaker 1: was so relentless and like to be honest sher, he 540 00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:52,320 Speaker 1: is a relentless girl. Like she literally was like I'm 541 00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:54,880 Speaker 1: going to crack the code on this like purple heart 542 00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,720 Speaker 1: shape er like I'm doing it. I'm literally not losing 543 00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:00,880 Speaker 1: any sleep over it. I will make sure that I'm 544 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,640 Speaker 1: able to like save whoever I need to save. And 545 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:07,000 Speaker 1: so it's like, to at least's point, that drive, that ambition, 546 00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:10,520 Speaker 1: like all of those things like exists within her, and 547 00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:14,640 Speaker 1: so it's not surprising that like the person that appeared 548 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:18,880 Speaker 1: to her is somebody who's sort of like that same reflection, 549 00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:22,760 Speaker 1: just like in a different package and different foil on 550 00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:26,880 Speaker 1: a different mission. And so I think like it did 551 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:30,600 Speaker 1: allow her to sort of confront the parts of her 552 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:32,880 Speaker 1: that she probably kind of hid from her family a 553 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:38,600 Speaker 1: little bit, just because like her mom to Chala, to Chocola, 554 00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:42,600 Speaker 1: they were all very like a little more even keeled 555 00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:47,840 Speaker 1: and like you know, diplomatic noble like all of those things, 556 00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:50,200 Speaker 1: and like I feel like she probably respected it, and 557 00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:52,920 Speaker 1: in certain situations that's what she would choose. But at 558 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:56,800 Speaker 1: the same time, like you can't deny that, like there's 559 00:31:56,840 --> 00:32:00,200 Speaker 1: a drive in there and there's like that he eat 560 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:05,000 Speaker 1: that like radiates from her, that like I think that 561 00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:09,000 Speaker 1: was exactly the right choice for her to see in 562 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:11,800 Speaker 1: the ancestral plane. And it's not to say that nobody 563 00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:14,600 Speaker 1: else is gonna pop up later, but like, I think 564 00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:18,640 Speaker 1: it's her first encounter. I was like, good, because I 565 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,840 Speaker 1: also was like, who knows who you're supposed to see there? 566 00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:24,480 Speaker 1: Because it's like there are other family members we don't 567 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:27,200 Speaker 1: really know, so it's like, I don't know, it could 568 00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:35,640 Speaker 1: have been Sterling Kay Brown, like we don't know well. 569 00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:38,720 Speaker 1: Team As you know, I'm from the Bay Area, so 570 00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:42,880 Speaker 1: I was shocked to see kill Monger because the Bay 571 00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:45,280 Speaker 1: Area girl in me said that he was still alive, 572 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:48,280 Speaker 1: So to see him in the ancestral plane meant that 573 00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:52,560 Speaker 1: he's not and that's not what we wanted at all. 574 00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:56,440 Speaker 1: We want him alive. So okay, so he's he's in 575 00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,520 Speaker 1: the ancestral plane. I also want to say what I 576 00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:04,160 Speaker 1: enjoy it about kill Monger's conversation with Shari is that 577 00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:06,680 Speaker 1: I feel like he was the second person to tell 578 00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:10,880 Speaker 1: her that you can no longer really navigate as a 579 00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:14,680 Speaker 1: child and you need to adjust your eyes from childhood 580 00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:17,320 Speaker 1: to adulthood. The first person who I noticed that this 581 00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:20,240 Speaker 1: to her was Umbaku because he said something along the 582 00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:22,560 Speaker 1: lines of like, I can't even I can't pretend like 583 00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:26,400 Speaker 1: you're a child anymore. You've experienced too much loss, And 584 00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:28,600 Speaker 1: I feel like kill monger the same way you you 585 00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:30,640 Speaker 1: think that I'm evil, You're so mad that I'm here. 586 00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:37,480 Speaker 1: Add some nuance to your perspective, add some gray to 587 00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:40,920 Speaker 1: your black and white, because being a child is not 588 00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:45,200 Speaker 1: going to save you anymore. And I feel like a 589 00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:48,920 Speaker 1: lot of her continued aggression towards him in that scene 590 00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:52,880 Speaker 1: was because it's so hard when someone tells you you 591 00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:56,320 Speaker 1: don't have a choice to grow up. You must, you 592 00:33:56,440 --> 00:34:00,320 Speaker 1: have to. And that scene just made me think about wow, 593 00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:02,360 Speaker 1: like how long do black kids get to be kids 594 00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:05,920 Speaker 1: before they experienced so much trauma that they literally have 595 00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:09,839 Speaker 1: to adjust their eyes to be adults. Very good point. 596 00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:24,000 Speaker 1: More from our conversation after the break, So to your 597 00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,640 Speaker 1: earlier point, free to the three words that you chose 598 00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:29,920 Speaker 1: a part of the tension that I found very difficult. 599 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:33,160 Speaker 1: And I was wondering going into this movie, like, Okay, 600 00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:35,600 Speaker 1: what is going to be the storyline? Like I know, well, 601 00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:37,399 Speaker 1: I would imagine that I hope we get a cut 602 00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:39,719 Speaker 1: at some point, like of what was supposed to be 603 00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:42,600 Speaker 1: the storyline before we lost Shadwick and then how they 604 00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:46,239 Speaker 1: had to rewrite what felt difficult to me. It was 605 00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:49,960 Speaker 1: these like two communities of color, like having to have 606 00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:54,439 Speaker 1: this tension that was created by white people, right, so 607 00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:59,560 Speaker 1: you know, the FBI or whatever this government entity was 608 00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:02,320 Speaker 1: that when in you know, had this initial accounts or 609 00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:05,400 Speaker 1: with the people of teal Okan and then the people 610 00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:07,840 Speaker 1: of Telecom thinking it was the wall Condon's right, and 611 00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:11,279 Speaker 1: so this feud is like created when it really had 612 00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:13,680 Speaker 1: nothing to do with either of them, like beefing with 613 00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:16,880 Speaker 1: one another. And so what were your thoughts around like 614 00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:19,880 Speaker 1: this introduction of the tall Okan people and this is 615 00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:22,880 Speaker 1: how we now meet them because we are going to 616 00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:27,000 Speaker 1: war with the Wakondon going back to being from the 617 00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:31,600 Speaker 1: Bay Area once again. If kill Monger was alive, I 618 00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:35,000 Speaker 1: feel like kill Monger and Nymore would have really just 619 00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:37,400 Speaker 1: roughed him up. And I think we all know what 620 00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:40,759 Speaker 1: I'm talking about. I'm interested to see at this point 621 00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:44,279 Speaker 1: we've had two movies talking about a certain demographic of 622 00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:49,600 Speaker 1: people causing problems, but we've never fought them on camera. Now, 623 00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:52,080 Speaker 1: the Little Black Panther me because my grandma was a 624 00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:54,960 Speaker 1: black panther, little black panther. Me is thinking, is Marvel 625 00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:57,360 Speaker 1: ever really gonna let us throw hands with white people 626 00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:01,520 Speaker 1: on the screen. I also was thinking about, Okay, what 627 00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:06,760 Speaker 1: will the next movie bring, given that we've seen internal 628 00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:11,440 Speaker 1: conflict with the Wakonda, now conflict between them and like 629 00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:14,960 Speaker 1: an indigenous nation, and the big like elephant in the 630 00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:17,440 Speaker 1: room is that it's the white people causing a lot 631 00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:20,360 Speaker 1: of these problems. And so at the end of the 632 00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:25,720 Speaker 1: movie we see Kingdom or talk about how when either 633 00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:29,839 Speaker 1: they attack like the U. S. France, whatever, or if 634 00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:32,600 Speaker 1: they come for them, because now you know, we saw 635 00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:36,200 Speaker 1: on the opening scene they've detected vibranium in the ocean, 636 00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:40,680 Speaker 1: that there will be no choice but Wakonda to be 637 00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,280 Speaker 1: on their side because of all the events in the movie. 638 00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:45,279 Speaker 1: And so I was thinking about that because it was 639 00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:48,319 Speaker 1: interesting that he said that in the middle of the movie, 640 00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:50,120 Speaker 1: or like when we were first introduced with him, he 641 00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:52,200 Speaker 1: was like, my goal is to get you guys on 642 00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:55,800 Speaker 1: our side, because we're the oppressed people and we're stronger together. 643 00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:58,520 Speaker 1: But towards the end he kind of had a malicious 644 00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:02,360 Speaker 1: tone to what he said, and so I don't know, 645 00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:07,200 Speaker 1: I was just constantly thinking about how Yes, it was 646 00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:09,640 Speaker 1: initially very smart and it would have been great if 647 00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:12,640 Speaker 1: they would have joined forces, but it seemed like I 648 00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:14,560 Speaker 1: forgot the name of the kingdom. I keep forgetting it 649 00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:21,920 Speaker 1: with the tall Okn Kingdom or was very interested in retaliating, 650 00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:25,759 Speaker 1: kind of taking over and like having power instead of Sure, 651 00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:28,400 Speaker 1: I feel like it's more about having peace in unity, 652 00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:31,319 Speaker 1: and so I'm excited for the next movie to see 653 00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:33,920 Speaker 1: that tension kind of play out, knowing that they now 654 00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:37,560 Speaker 1: have an alliance, but their alliance is I guess being 655 00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:41,600 Speaker 1: approached from different perspectives, yet they have a common enemy, 656 00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:43,799 Speaker 1: and so how that will all play out. Yeah, I 657 00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:47,239 Speaker 1: think that's gonna be probably very interesting in Black Panther three, 658 00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:49,319 Speaker 1: if we get it. I hope we'll get it. But 659 00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:52,080 Speaker 1: I think something that I'm kind of looking forward to 660 00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:57,600 Speaker 1: is the series finally addressing like the real enemy or 661 00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:00,720 Speaker 1: the people who want the Wakondan resources or in want 662 00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:04,120 Speaker 1: indigenous resources, and that's what it's always been, but I 663 00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:06,680 Speaker 1: think they're kind of teasing that out little by little, 664 00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:08,359 Speaker 1: and so I think we got kind of a more 665 00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:11,280 Speaker 1: profound take on that in this movie. Yeah, and shout 666 00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:13,680 Speaker 1: out to like just the brilliance of Ryan Coogler, because 667 00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:15,760 Speaker 1: I feel like he is one of the only ones 668 00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:18,520 Speaker 1: who really could have done this with justice. I don't 669 00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:20,479 Speaker 1: know that we are going to ever see that though 670 00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:25,200 Speaker 1: in a Disney owned Marvel movie. I don't know. I 671 00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:27,560 Speaker 1: don't know how far you know, he's gonna be allowed 672 00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:30,360 Speaker 1: to kind of push the needle there. So you know, 673 00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:31,880 Speaker 1: I know we are around an out of time, so 674 00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:33,560 Speaker 1: I definitely want to make sure that we do spend 675 00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:36,760 Speaker 1: some time thinking about the ending of the movie, because 676 00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:39,000 Speaker 1: that is when, I mean, I was losing it all throughout. 677 00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:42,000 Speaker 1: But once that baby showed up on screen and we 678 00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:45,000 Speaker 1: find out that in something in my mind, I feel 679 00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:48,279 Speaker 1: like this is like the Louisiana, you know, kind of 680 00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:51,160 Speaker 1: like always keep your third eye open. Something in my 681 00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:54,480 Speaker 1: mind early on said I bet Nicki ahead of baby, 682 00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:56,640 Speaker 1: like I bet that that is a part of why 683 00:38:56,760 --> 00:39:00,719 Speaker 1: she was away. And so we learned that, you know, 684 00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:03,960 Speaker 1: she was expecting, and that the Black Panther knew about 685 00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:06,440 Speaker 1: it before he passed, and then you know they had 686 00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:09,080 Speaker 1: been in conversation with the child to kind of prepare 687 00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:12,040 Speaker 1: him for his father's death. So how did you feel 688 00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:16,440 Speaker 1: about the reveal of a new Prince to Challow. I 689 00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:20,120 Speaker 1: was obsessed with that and like similar to you. It 690 00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:22,680 Speaker 1: was like I think what like keyed me in was 691 00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:24,759 Speaker 1: like girl, you didn't go back for the funeral, Like 692 00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:28,480 Speaker 1: I get it, but like and then like thinking about 693 00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:30,959 Speaker 1: like the timeline of that, like man if she showed 694 00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:35,160 Speaker 1: up at that at the funeral pregnant, like yeah, so 695 00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:37,880 Speaker 1: I was like, you know what, great And then when 696 00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:41,440 Speaker 1: it was revealed and like truly solidified to I was 697 00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:46,359 Speaker 1: just like this makes me so happy, like because it 698 00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:50,000 Speaker 1: was also like this this parting gift almost because it's 699 00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:54,440 Speaker 1: like now Sherry once again has family, like in the 700 00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:57,000 Speaker 1: very real sense that she was missing it and like 701 00:39:57,160 --> 00:39:59,799 Speaker 1: now in a way like yeah, she's an aunt, but 702 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,960 Speaker 1: it gets to also be like this like mentor and 703 00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:05,960 Speaker 1: like in part all the wisdom like her brother gave 704 00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:09,759 Speaker 1: her her dad, her mom and like they're somewhere for 705 00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:14,160 Speaker 1: that to go, and he's so cute, Like he's so cute, 706 00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:16,360 Speaker 1: and it was just like such a sweet moment and 707 00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:20,440 Speaker 1: especially like having followed the ritual of her like finally 708 00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:23,960 Speaker 1: like releasing the grief and like burning the clothes. I 709 00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:27,480 Speaker 1: think it was just like a very poetic way to 710 00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:32,440 Speaker 1: like receive that. It was like almost as if like 711 00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:35,960 Speaker 1: now she's finally ready for like a new beginning, and 712 00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:38,960 Speaker 1: the new beginning literally was like I'm right here, and 713 00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:42,400 Speaker 1: so yeah, I thought that was beautiful. This whole movie 714 00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:45,719 Speaker 1: was just like really really poetic to me. So we've 715 00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:48,360 Speaker 1: already kind of touched a little bit on predictions for 716 00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:50,480 Speaker 1: what we might see in a Black Panther three or 717 00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:53,440 Speaker 1: as we continue with the wa kinda universe. What are 718 00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:55,400 Speaker 1: you thinking that we might see in a future film 719 00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:58,399 Speaker 1: or in future films are hoping that we might see. 720 00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:01,120 Speaker 1: I don't know if iiness really trust them to like 721 00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:05,480 Speaker 1: go completely at colonization. I feel like they're gonna like 722 00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:07,879 Speaker 1: do the thing where they like jumping out it's like 723 00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:11,480 Speaker 1: everybody against like the aliens or whatever. They're gonna take 724 00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:13,560 Speaker 1: it to space. They're gonna take it to the nano 725 00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:17,600 Speaker 1: or like quantum realm or something. Just because I don't 726 00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:21,239 Speaker 1: know if people are like truly ready to see that, 727 00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:24,319 Speaker 1: I'm like, maybe they will be by the time it's 728 00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:27,759 Speaker 1: like ready, but I don't know. I don't have a 729 00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:30,719 Speaker 1: lot of faith in that, but I do think that 730 00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:34,960 Speaker 1: there will be some type of seeing what that alliance 731 00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:39,080 Speaker 1: looks like between Taalo Khan and Wakanda. I'm hoping that 732 00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:41,480 Speaker 1: we actually do get to see a little Prince to 733 00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:45,919 Speaker 1: Challa grow up like this particular child himself grow up 734 00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:48,880 Speaker 1: in the Marvel universe, because I just think the Dead Again, 735 00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:51,280 Speaker 1: like you said, is an awesome kind of parting gift 736 00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:54,400 Speaker 1: in for the people who were like worried dead like 737 00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:57,200 Speaker 1: we would not have the Black Panther character again because 738 00:41:57,200 --> 00:41:59,239 Speaker 1: of what that character meant for a black kid is 739 00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:02,279 Speaker 1: right seeing them held as superheroes, I do think it 740 00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:04,640 Speaker 1: gives us like a new start, so that in addition 741 00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:07,360 Speaker 1: to Shooty right, so it to me kind of ensures 742 00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:09,759 Speaker 1: like the longevity of the character, which I think is 743 00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:12,440 Speaker 1: really cool. I'm hoping that we will see that little 744 00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:15,680 Speaker 1: guy grow up in the in the Marble universe. I 745 00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:19,520 Speaker 1: can't see a movie for Black Panther that doesn't involve 746 00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:22,920 Speaker 1: scoring up with Colonizer, so I don't think I'm going 747 00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:26,439 Speaker 1: to get one. I also think Ryan Coogler has done 748 00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:31,160 Speaker 1: a phenomenal job on both of these films, and it 749 00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:34,759 Speaker 1: might be time for him to rightfully so get the 750 00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:37,960 Speaker 1: rest and and space that he deserves after all of 751 00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:39,680 Speaker 1: this hard work he's done and all of the grieving 752 00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:42,520 Speaker 1: that he and the entire cast are still going through. 753 00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:48,000 Speaker 1: Because when you watch every press tour, people keep asking 754 00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:51,680 Speaker 1: them about how did you find out about Chadwick and 755 00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:53,719 Speaker 1: what was your reaction? And if you have to do 756 00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:57,160 Speaker 1: ten interviews a day over the course of two weeks. 757 00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:00,400 Speaker 1: I mean, it's just constantly reprocessing that grief. I would 758 00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:03,280 Speaker 1: be as a fan of this franchise. I would understand 759 00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:05,719 Speaker 1: if I didn't get another movie for fifteen years. I 760 00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:09,880 Speaker 1: would understand. With it being said, there are other characters 761 00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:12,839 Speaker 1: that I'm very excited about. So I did learn that 762 00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:17,279 Speaker 1: Proximity Media, which is Ryan Coogler and his wife's din 763 00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:21,759 Speaker 1: Z's production company, there in development for a series around 764 00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:26,680 Speaker 1: the woman that Elice was talking about earlier rear Williams, 765 00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:31,920 Speaker 1: a k A. Iron Heart. I had no idea until 766 00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:34,680 Speaker 1: I look this up that that that suit that she's in, 767 00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:37,400 Speaker 1: she's She's truly an m c U. I'm new. I'm 768 00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:39,799 Speaker 1: just learned about the m c U. So I'm so 769 00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:44,560 Speaker 1: excited about that, and I feel like this film introducing 770 00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:47,000 Speaker 1: me to her and her character is enough, which is 771 00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:49,520 Speaker 1: why again I can go X amount of years without 772 00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:52,200 Speaker 1: another movie. Give me all the iron Heart you got because, 773 00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:55,719 Speaker 1: like Alice said, she's a star, She's a star. I 774 00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:58,719 Speaker 1: can't wait to watch her on television or the big 775 00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:02,720 Speaker 1: screen again. I want a second seeing iron Heart, Slash 776 00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:06,480 Speaker 1: Ruby Williams and other films, whether it's the next Black Panther, 777 00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:10,560 Speaker 1: and also having her own series. That's exciting for me. 778 00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:15,920 Speaker 1: I think what's also exciting is seeing how in future 779 00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:19,920 Speaker 1: like Black Panther films or whatever comic books that come 780 00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:24,759 Speaker 1: out TV shows, how they incorporate other African countries. They 781 00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:27,920 Speaker 1: kind of allude to it in like the scenes like 782 00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:31,600 Speaker 1: We're gonna go here. I think they were in like 783 00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:34,040 Speaker 1: Molly for one of the scenes, but we never really 784 00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:37,520 Speaker 1: get to see like their leaders and how they interact 785 00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:40,359 Speaker 1: with think about Wakanda, and so that's really exciting for me. 786 00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:44,120 Speaker 1: I think I hope that in the next movie if 787 00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:48,640 Speaker 1: they address like more world conflicts, are global conflicts that 788 00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:51,680 Speaker 1: we get to see just like another perspective of like 789 00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:55,719 Speaker 1: the African diaspora. So I think that'll be exciting. I 790 00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:58,680 Speaker 1: love that. I love that idea too. Well. We will 791 00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:02,000 Speaker 1: be staying tune for all of the genius that continues 792 00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:05,799 Speaker 1: to come from Ryan Coogler's camp. Again, another beautiful job 793 00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:09,200 Speaker 1: from Ruth Carter and Hannah Beacher. I believe the set 794 00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:11,920 Speaker 1: designer and the constume designer, I mean just beautiful worlds 795 00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:14,480 Speaker 1: that they create and the people look beautiful on screen. 796 00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:17,480 Speaker 1: So just kudos to all of them for just another 797 00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:21,080 Speaker 1: outstanding job with Black Panther too. All right, y'ah, well, 798 00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:23,160 Speaker 1: thank you all for joining me and sharing your thoughts. 799 00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:25,200 Speaker 1: Y'all wait in make sure you let us know how 800 00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:27,720 Speaker 1: you felt about Black Panther to what were your thoughts 801 00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:30,120 Speaker 1: with staying with you? I mean, we will be joining 802 00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:36,200 Speaker 1: the conversation online. 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