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Speaker 1: Welcome Inside with the Insiders alongside Judy Vatiza, Ian Rappaport

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Speaker 1: and Mike Girafolo. I am Tom Pelicero, Part two on

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Speaker 1: this Monday across YouTube and The Insiders podcast, let's dive

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Speaker 1: into Sunday Night Football, which, Mike, if you were like me,

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Speaker 1: you were twelve hours into your TV viewing experience of

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Speaker 1: the day, decided this was a good one to take

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Speaker 1: in line, flat on your back, kind of in and

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Speaker 1: out or re caught the rest on the condensed version

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Speaker 1: that you can get on NFL Plus.

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Speaker 2: There's no way you guys stayed up for the end

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Speaker 2: of it.

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Speaker 1: No. I watched the forty eight minutes condensed. It was great.

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Speaker 3: Did you see go check your group thread? Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: your group feds to see all the text I was.

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Speaker 2: I was.

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Speaker 1: It was breaking down the text messages I like to

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Speaker 1: I was very concerned I miss something big. It was

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Speaker 1: just you idiots doing blow by blow at the fourth court.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was like, oh, this time out a little

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Speaker 3: too early.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: No, because I can't and I did. I will watch

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Speaker 3: the condensed version. I use it to kind of go

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Speaker 3: back from what I've already, but like I need the

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Speaker 3: I need this the feel of the game, right, because

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Speaker 3: if we're gonna talk about it right here, I I

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Speaker 3: need to like I'm there and I know not is

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Speaker 3: it because you don't. You don't see that stuff in

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Speaker 3: the condensed version. So I like to kind of refresh

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Speaker 3: it by going with it. And when I refreshed it

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Speaker 3: this morning, I was very impressed with these Cowboys. I

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Speaker 3: think I had a different sense of what they were

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Speaker 3: gonna be. I thought they were gonna be a uh,

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Speaker 3: gonna have to outscore you type team. But it they're

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Speaker 3: proven to not be that team. They're proven to be

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Speaker 3: the team that's gonna have to win uh these kinds

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Speaker 3: of games this year, which is great. I think they

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Speaker 3: did a nice job uh in this Uh in this

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Speaker 3: game against the Steelers, they didn't make any crucial uh

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Speaker 3: or or well, they did make some crucial critical mistakes

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Speaker 3: along the way, uh, but but nothing down the stretch

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Speaker 3: there as they were coming down for that for that

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Speaker 3: final Driveing and Mike McCarthy, I mean, I continue to

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Speaker 3: say it like, I don't understand why people question his

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Speaker 3: ability as a head coach. I thought he did a

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Speaker 3: great job with this entire team. Uh. You had the

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Speaker 3: delay to start the game. That is a difficult thing

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Speaker 3: for a team to navigate. Uh, And I thought they

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Speaker 3: did a great job. But that I thought it did

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Speaker 3: a great job all the way through to that last drive.

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Speaker 3: I thought he called a great last drive.

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Speaker 2: Se Ian, Oh, I'll go sure. Usually it helps if

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Speaker 2: someone's like, oh, like.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we've been going clockwise and counterclockwise, we're just going.

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Speaker 2: Back and we all have different counter.

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Speaker 1: You're always second in the order.

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Speaker 2: It's not true anyway. We know what I really liked.

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Speaker 4: I liked the impromptu Dak Prescott game ball to Mike McCarthy.

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Speaker 2: It was so interesting to me.

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Speaker 4: Because, like, you know, I don't know how quote unquote

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Speaker 4: well coached that game was. There were a couple of mistakes,

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Speaker 4: the offense didn't like things on fire, you know. I

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Speaker 4: know he's obviously involved in the defense. That was really

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Speaker 4: a gritty, tough defense first game, and he obviously is

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Speaker 4: not a defensive guy. But it was really kind of

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Speaker 4: next level to me that Dak Prescott was like, this

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Speaker 4: one means something to our head coach, and I'm going

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Speaker 4: to say, like we care about him enough that I'm

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Speaker 4: going to stop everything and call attention to this being

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Speaker 4: Mike McCarthy's home, and I just, you know, I really

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Speaker 4: like that because it could there's no ugly wins. Every

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Speaker 4: win is a beautiful work of art in itself. But like,

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Speaker 4: there was nothing sort of special about that except how

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Speaker 4: it made everyone feel. And I thought that was really

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Speaker 4: that was really really cool. The other thing is, you know,

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Speaker 4: the Cowboys defense didn't have Marshaun Neil, who is actually

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Speaker 4: we know now is going to be out probably four

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Speaker 4: Micah Parsons, already, without DeMarcus Lawrence. It just hung tough

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Speaker 4: the weather was gross and the play was gross, and

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Speaker 4: it was just an awesome win. And you know, it

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Speaker 4: was one player, one play better than the Steelers, and

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Speaker 4: I thought that was really impressive by the Cowboys.

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Speaker 2: Judy, I yeah, got it. Good talk.

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Speaker 1: We've done this podcast several times now, we're in week five.

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Speaker 1: We've been doing it the same way every week, so

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Speaker 1: just you know, just catch and Judy, go ahead, I.

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Speaker 5: Liked the grittiness of the win, and I was when

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Speaker 5: I was watching it last night dozing off, and then

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Speaker 5: when I rewatched it today, my thought was, we are

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Speaker 5: probably going to point to that game as a the

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Speaker 5: game that saved the season and be like a turning

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Speaker 5: point kind of game for that team, right where the

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Speaker 5: defense had to hang in there under you know, duress,

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Speaker 5: and the offense did not play well and somehow they

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Speaker 5: still beat the Steelers in a place where it's really

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Speaker 5: hard to win anyway, even when you're playing really well,

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Speaker 5: and they managed to cut it out. Now, of course

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Speaker 5: they played the Lions. I'm going to be at that

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Speaker 5: game next week. The Cowboys host the Lions next week,

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Speaker 5: so of course that could turn everything upside down again.

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Speaker 5: But that was a that was a guy win and

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Speaker 5: it was not beautiful. But you got to give credit

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Speaker 5: where it's do because those are the kinds of games

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Speaker 5: wilt in those situations, and they did not wilt last night.

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Speaker 1: Cowboys are three and zero on the road this season.

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Speaker 1: They've also lost their two games at home. This game

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Speaker 1: the by certainly if they had lost that game to Pittsburgh,

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Speaker 1: chance for the Lions to bury the Cowboys in the NFC. Instead.

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Speaker 1: Now you flip it, and if they can beat a

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Speaker 1: very good Lions team that's four and one, you are

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Speaker 1: into the bye. You hopefully after the bye, can get

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Speaker 1: Micah Parsons back if he's not able to be back

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Speaker 1: to this game, which I would be surprised. If he's

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Speaker 1: a good situation, I thought. I also thought it was

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Speaker 1: cool listening to Dak Prescott talking after the game about

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Speaker 1: how he went on a tour of Pittsburgh with Mike McCarthy,

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Speaker 1: who grew up there, and that was why this game

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Speaker 1: means so much to him. So he went to his parents'

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Speaker 1: relationship they have. That goes way beyond the fact that

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Speaker 1: Dak Prescott's played the best football of his life and

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Speaker 1: gotten paid on a sixty million dollars per year contract

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Speaker 1: since Mike McCarthy took over as the play caller in

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty three. They're a dangerous team. They do need

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Speaker 1: to get healthy. One more game, let's see if they

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Speaker 1: side of this, the Steelers, what they do a quarterback

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Speaker 1: shortly here, let's go elsewhere in the AFC North, because

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Speaker 1: Judy the Bengals right now, if you look at Joe

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Speaker 1: Burrow's stat line, he's completing like seventy two percent of

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Speaker 1: a lot to unpack about how they got to that point.

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Speaker 1: Certainly the injuries and the general dearth of talent on

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Speaker 1: defense is a big part of it here. But what

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Speaker 1: do you make of the Bengals right now? One and four?

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Speaker 5: He summed it up really well right after the game

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Speaker 5: where he said, we are not a championship level team,

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Speaker 5: which sounds like, you know, thanks Captain obvious, but like

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Speaker 5: I mean, I think we all came into the season

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Speaker 5: playing like that at all. He well, he also said

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Speaker 5: damn near perfect, is how he put it. I mean,

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Speaker 5: he played damn near perfect and it wasn't enough. I

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Speaker 5: don't really know what else Joe Burrow can do. They

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Speaker 5: have to be so so frustrated that they are where

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Speaker 5: they are. I don't think the season is over for them,

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Speaker 5: by the way, because they're in a stretch of the

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Speaker 5: schedule now where they can run off They should run

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Speaker 5: off a few wins. They are, He's good enough to

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Speaker 5: do this, But I mean, they've got to start winning

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Speaker 5: games that they should win now.

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Speaker 2: Yesterday.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I have some real questions about being so

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Speaker 5: conservative at the end that you're playing for a field

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Speaker 5: goal and you're taking the ball out of Joe Burrow's

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Speaker 5: hands when he's had a five touchdown game. I'm quite

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Speaker 5: sure I got that. And playing for the field goal,

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Speaker 5: I don't. I did not love that. But they are

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Speaker 5: certainly capable of running off a few victories here in

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Speaker 5: a row, which would which would get them back at

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Speaker 5: you know, at least into the wild card picture, you know,

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Speaker 5: at the halfway point of the season. But they've got

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Speaker 5: start closing out games, which Burrow himself pointed to as

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Speaker 5: the problem. They do not know how to close out

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Speaker 4: I mean I feel like they oh god, I feel

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Speaker 4: like they kind of did it right. I mean, it's

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Speaker 4: very annoying when I would agree with Judy it was

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Speaker 4: a little conservative maybe at the end, but like they

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Speaker 4: a little longer kit than you would like from your

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Speaker 4: you know, star very rich kicker money.

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Speaker 3: I don't say it like that, Like he held the

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Speaker 3: ball a good hold. He probably nails that or not,

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Speaker 3: probably he has a better shot.

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Speaker 2: I mean a.

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Speaker 1: Literal, I mean it was one.

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Speaker 2: The operation was the operation was a.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean okay, So would you rather have the

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Speaker 5: game hinging on Joe Burrow or on the operation of

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Speaker 5: the field goal.

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Speaker 4: That's the choice, right, But the operation of field goal

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Speaker 4: should be a gimme, which is a whole different topic.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that should be that should be a layup,

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Speaker 4: But anyway they put they to me, they basically did

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Speaker 2: Entire kicking operation wasn't good enough.

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Speaker 4: I sort of think, and you know, I can get

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Speaker 4: sometimes teased by the really really great players if they're

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Speaker 4: not on great teams, because you always say, like, well,

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Speaker 4: the Bills are gonna be good they got Josh Allen,

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Speaker 4: or the Bengals are gonna be good they got Joe Burrow.

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Speaker 4: I know, the defensive side of the ball is hurting.

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Speaker 4: It has been rough. I mean they, you know, talent wise,

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Speaker 4: they're maybe not quite as talented as they've always been

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Speaker 4: on defense. They just lost Dax Hill, who has emerged

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Speaker 4: season with the torn acl suffered yesterday and in a

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Speaker 2: That hurts.

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Speaker 4: But the way they play, I still feel like they're

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the insiders. Tom Pelisero, I Rapaport, Mike Garrifolo,

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Speaker 1: A type of the game where if the Cordinals want

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Speaker 3: His escapability is back all the way seven for eighty

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Speaker 3: But yeah, I think he's been, uh incredibly impressive. That

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Speaker 5: Like, great, so great, Great, let's go.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I wasn't gonna talk about it. I wasn't

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Speaker 4: I have no idea, but it really does seem to

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Speaker 4: be the kind of thing where like everyone knows that

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Speaker 4: if you do not have the performance that's necessary, you

441
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Speaker 4: might get pulled, you might get benched. And I don't

442
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Speaker 4: know if that helps or hurts, Like if it were

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Speaker 4: me being out there, like, I don't think that would

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Speaker 4: help me. But for some players, maybe that helps motivate,

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Speaker 4: maybe that helps.

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Speaker 2: Keep it clean.

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Speaker 4: Like even if they say, you know, in ten minutes Tuesday, Wednesday,

448
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Speaker 4: Friday afternoon, hey we're going with Aidan O'Connell. Like, I

449
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Speaker 4: think we all know there's a chance that it could

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Speaker 4: be Gardner Minshew at the end and like this is

451
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Speaker 4: just you know, it's sort of like when you have

452
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Speaker 4: two quarterbacks, you don't have one, like that's until someone's

453
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Speaker 4: play changes it.

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Speaker 2: Like that's kind of where they are.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and Aidan O'Connell, I mean, at this point they

456
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Speaker 3: need to do something right. It's just with the Davante

457
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Speaker 3: Adams thing hanging over their heads, they just need some

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Speaker 3: kind of spark or redirection. They're gonna be kind of

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Speaker 3: like talking about the Cardinals. They're gonna be one of

460
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Speaker 3: those teams that is just gonna win some weird games

461
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Speaker 3: and lose some weird games, like losing, yeah, losing as

462
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Speaker 3: badly as they did at home to the Carolina Panthers

463
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Speaker 3: at being able to beat the Ravens in Baltimore. Like

464
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Speaker 3: sometimes the NFL doesn't make any sense. This team's not

465
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Speaker 3: gonna make any sense, and they're gonna be an incomplete

466
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Speaker 3: team for a while, right, Like we know what they are.

467
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Speaker 3: They're in rebuilding mode. One of the reasons that they

468
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Speaker 3: didn't want to trade Devonte Adams or Jacobe Myers when

469
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Speaker 3: teams were sniffing around is they wanted to give Antonio

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Speaker 3: Pierce a fighting chance. Like this is not a great roster,

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Speaker 3: so they had to have some kind of talent on

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Speaker 3: the roster. Now Adams forced their hand and now we're

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Speaker 3: going to have a Raiders team with even less talent

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Speaker 3: in the very near future. But it's I don't know

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Speaker 3: that making the move to Aidan O'Connell's going to change

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Speaker 3: things drastically. It's not gonna vault them into the playoff race,

477
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Speaker 3: but just feels like now's the time for something to

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Speaker 3: be done.

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Speaker 1: Mike. I think that when you look at the Indianapolis Colts,

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Speaker 1: they're also a situation where based upon how Joe Flacco

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Speaker 1: has played in a game and change here there and

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Speaker 1: everly are questions of you know, to compare it to

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Speaker 1: the Carolina situation. Is this something where hey, Joe Flacco

484
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Speaker 1: just clearly gives you the better chance to win. I

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Speaker 1: don't get the sense that it's headed that direction at

486
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Speaker 1: this time. Machine Styke. Instead, Anthony Richardson's our starter when

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Speaker 1: he's healthy. He didn't play this past week because he's

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Speaker 1: not healthy, and logic would tell you based on when

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Speaker 1: a guy is listed is doubtful, not out, he's pretty

490
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Speaker 1: close to playing. If this has been the Super Bowl,

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Speaker 1: he probably could have gone. He just wasn't fully healthy,

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Speaker 1: so they decided to hold him back. There is, though,

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Speaker 1: the matter of who gives you the best chance to win?

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Speaker 1: Right now? Do you value the development of Anthony Richardson,

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Speaker 1: which I expect that they do, even when it comes

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Speaker 1: with growing pains, even when it's when you have six

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Speaker 1: turnovers or interceptions in the first three games. I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's that's part of the experience. He also makes some

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Speaker 1: incredible plays and he brings elements like the run game

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Speaker 1: that Joe Flacco doesn't. Although the Joe Flacco run yesterday

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Speaker 1: was by far the most viewed I had out of anything.

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Speaker 1: Jamar Flaxen, I believe thirty thousand likes on that that

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Speaker 1: one right there. But Mike, when you look at the

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Speaker 1: Cold Steam and where they stand right now, what do

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Speaker 1: you make of what we're seeing and kind of how

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Speaker 1: they navigate this mic going forward?

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Speaker 3: Well, I think what we're seeing is why the Browns

508
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Speaker 3: didn't want Joe Flecco in the building before the season, because.

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Speaker 2: You knew that.

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Speaker 3: And right now, the way the things are going for

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Speaker 3: the Browns, certainly they will be clamoring for Joe Flacco

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Speaker 3: right now. So you're seeing it in Indianapolis, and you

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Speaker 3: know it almost kind of sort of is what it is.

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Speaker 3: You're not as committed as the Browns are to Deshaun Watson. Yes,

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Speaker 3: you drafted Anthony Richardson very highly, but you know, if

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Speaker 3: he proves that he's just not the guy, and yes,

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Speaker 3: it's gonna suck that you use the high pick for that. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I just to me, I always look at it like

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Speaker 3: there's a locker room full of guys. There are fifty

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Speaker 3: one other guys in the roster that are working really

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Speaker 3: hard week in and week out to win football games,

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Speaker 3: and they look at it and say, which guy gives

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Speaker 3: us the best opportunity to win the football game? Like

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Speaker 3: that's something that the coaches going, Why are you shaking

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Speaker 3: your head?

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Speaker 2: This is the biggest problem. I'm agreeing. I'm just like,

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Speaker 2: I didn't mean to cut you off in my reaction.

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Speaker 2: This is the problem.

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Speaker 4: We can talk about coaches making decisions about who should

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Speaker 4: be the starting quarterback whatever, the players make the decision.

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Speaker 4: The players always know, and that's gonna be the biggest

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Speaker 4: problem the culture gonna face if if this can take,

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Speaker 4: like Anthony richards is obviously going to play when he's healthy,

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Speaker 4: I think that's very clear. It might be next week,

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Speaker 4: it might be the weeke after The biggest problem is

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Speaker 4: gonna come if five or six weeks from now he's

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Speaker 4: not playing great and everyone in the locker room is like,

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Speaker 4: what about this other guy? That's gonna be the main problem? Now,

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Speaker 4: that's a good problem to have.

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Speaker 5: Uh isn't that going to be the problem in Cleveland

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Speaker 5: as well?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: But I don't know that Jamis is at the level

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Speaker 4: of backup that Joe Flacco is.

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Speaker 2: Like if like, Jamis has.

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Speaker 5: Quite a have Jamis and not Joe Flacco, right, because

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Speaker 5: I mean, they didn't want to undermine Deshaan, Right. I

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Speaker 5: may imagine what that would be like now.

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Speaker 4: Right, but it's they just transferred the issue over like

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Speaker 4: over there or wherever, you know.

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Speaker 2: Oh, all right, Judy.

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Speaker 5: I first of all, I can't imagine that Anthony Richardson

553
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Speaker 5: will not be the starting quarterback when he is able

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Speaker 5: to play, right. I think they value his development, and

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Speaker 5: it's great to have Joe Flacco as an incredible safety net.

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Speaker 5: And the fact that only one team apparently wanted him

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Speaker 5: in the off season is both mind boggling and understandable because,

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Speaker 5: as we've pointed, out, like if he were in a

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Speaker 5: number of other spots right now, if he were in

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Speaker 5: Cleveland right now, what would that scene be like, right,

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Speaker 5: I mean, it would be crazy. The fans would be

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Speaker 5: clamoring for him.

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Speaker 4: There's no question he didn't get any starting quarterback. I

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Speaker 4: mean I was thirty nine.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I guess it's just it's right. But I mean,

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Speaker 5: you know, if you are invested in having a certain

567
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Speaker 5: guy be your starting quarterback and seeing that through, like

568
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Speaker 5: Joe Flecco is almost too good to have on your roster, right,

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Speaker 5: it undermines your starting quarterback. That's what would have been

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Speaker 5: in Cleveland. And given what has transpired in the first

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Speaker 5: five weeks in Cleveland, whoof that would have been a scene?

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Speaker 1: All right, Judy, So last thing we done. A lot

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Speaker 1: of time left here. But you look at Pittsburgh, another

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Speaker 1: one with a quarterback situation that has been fluid throughout,

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Speaker 1: in part by design by Mike Tomlin, who really hasn't

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Speaker 1: said anything one way or another about what his plan

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Speaker 1: is going to be. The only pronouncement he has made

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Speaker 1: at any point was late August when he said Russell

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Speaker 1: Wilson is our starting quarterback, and everything since then has

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Speaker 1: been Russ is not healthy. Justin Fields is a guy.

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Speaker 1: They've now lost two games in a row. Russ has

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Speaker 1: been ramping up his workload. It would certainly seem to

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Speaker 1: me that if you're going to go to Russ, this

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Speaker 1: would be a logical time. You know that organization. What

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Speaker 1: do you make of it, Judy.

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Speaker 5: I thought, I thought it was really interesting. During the

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Speaker 5: extended rain delay, Tony Dungee mentioned that he was at

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Speaker 5: Steelers practice on Frinting. Now, obviously Dungee is very loved

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Speaker 5: by the Steelers organization, loved by Tomlin, loved by the Rooneys,

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Speaker 5: and he came away from that and said on the

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Speaker 5: air how good Russ looked in practice, and how well

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Speaker 5: he was throwing the ball, and how well he was moving.

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Speaker 5: And I just was listening to that and thought, hmmm,

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Speaker 5: that's an interesting takeaway to say on national television. So

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Speaker 5: clearly Russ is not only close, but you have to

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Speaker 5: wonder what the private conversations with Tony Dungee and Mike

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Speaker 5: Tomlin were like if they are very very close to

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Speaker 5: making that move. They didn't lose last night because of

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Speaker 5: Justin Fields, but he's it's the same thing we've been

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Speaker 5: saying all along, at some point he was going to

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Speaker 5: have to you know, they would get into a game

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Speaker 5: where he would have to make plays that would elevate

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Speaker 5: and that would win the games. And he wasn't not

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Speaker 5: doing that either.

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Speaker 1: They're not scoring.

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Speaker 5: Points, and we knew at some point you would get

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Speaker 5: into games where you're gonna have to score a lot

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Speaker 5: of points to win. And so the question is still

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Speaker 5: out there. Can he lead an offense to do that.

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Speaker 5: I mean, you're right, when you lose two games in

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Speaker 5: a row, even if it's not entirely the quarterback's fault,

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Speaker 5: if you're looking for an opening to make a change,

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Speaker 5: this would appear to be the opening. And again, I

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Speaker 5: just keep what Tony Dunee said in the back of

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Speaker 5: my mind.

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Speaker 4: And that makes sense because like if you think about it,

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Speaker 4: if Tomlin had in his own mind, if Tomlin had

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Speaker 4: in his own mind early on that Russell Wilson was

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Speaker 4: in pole position, as we say, then it makes sense

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Speaker 4: at some point to want to see him. And we've

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Speaker 4: talked about it, like at some point you're probably gonna

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Speaker 4: see russ I just don't know how i'man fair is

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Speaker 4: like whatever, Like nothing is fair. It's business like, I

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Speaker 4: don't know how fair it is. Like they played toe

625
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Speaker 4: to toe. It was a tough, physical, kind of grimy game.

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Speaker 4: Both had very similar Both quarterbacks had similar performances. The

627
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Speaker 4: defense makes one more stop than Justin Fields goes out

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Speaker 4: and wins that game, but they didn't.

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Speaker 2: Dak hits the pass at the end.

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Speaker 4: Cowboys win, and then it's like then you Benchfield, it

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Speaker 4: feels early to me.

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Speaker 2: It feels a little early to me. Go time.

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Speaker 1: All right, We got to wrap this up. Thank you

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Speaker 1: very much everybody for being here for the Insiders Monday Podcast,

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Speaker 1: both parts. Since you made it here two Part two.

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