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Speaker 2: on this Thursday, March twenty eighth, Busy hour ahead NFL

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Speaker 2: Annual Meeting Review. It was earlier this week down in Orlando.

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Speaker 2: The head coach spoke at the breakfast media availability earlier

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Speaker 2: in the week. We have two weeks until the offseason

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Speaker 2: program begins, and that will be with strength and conditioning.

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Speaker 2: We'll get to that one month away from the NFL Draft.

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Speaker 2: the band is back together. Holy cowhere you been elsewhere?

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Speaker 2: How are you? I'm good man. It's good to see

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Speaker 2: your face again.

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Speaker 3: Good to be here talking about free agency and also

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Speaker 3: looking forward to the draft in a big way.

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Speaker 2: Good A lot going on right the Jaguar busy and

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Speaker 2: free agency. And I think the last.

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Speaker 3: Time that we talked, and I don't even think we

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Speaker 3: were on the air, then everybody was very down about

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Speaker 3: this team, just because they had just completed what I

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Speaker 3: call the subtraction era, which always happens at the beginning

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Speaker 3: of the off season before you start free agency, and

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Speaker 3: yet they hadn't yet started any additions, and so a

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Speaker 3: lot of people were down on this football team.

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Speaker 2: Well, what are we doing. You know, we're losing Calvin Ridley,

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Speaker 2: let him go. Wait a minute, you know, free.

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Speaker 3: Agency hadn't even started yet. Have some patients. This team's

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Speaker 3: gonna add some good players, and they did. I think

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Speaker 3: they've added some very good players. Well get to some

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Speaker 3: of those coming up in just a little bit. Also,

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Speaker 3: a former Jaguars executive gets a nod from the Pro

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Speaker 3: Football Hall of Fame. Rule changes from the owners' meetings

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Speaker 3: this week, some key ones that I'm sure you'll have

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Speaker 3: some thoughts about as a defender in your past, and

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Speaker 3: of course those social media questions coming up. Let's hear

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Speaker 3: though from the head coach, Doug Peterson at the AFC

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Speaker 3: Coaches Breakfast earlier this week at the Ritz Carlton Grand

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Speaker 3: Lakes in Orlando. And with all these players brought in

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Speaker 3: a lot of players with postseason experience, something important to

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Speaker 3: the head coach to establish a culture.

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Speaker 4: This is the culture that I want to establish in Jacksonville.

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Speaker 4: And this is the reason why you go get guys

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Speaker 4: like Mitch Morse and Eric Armstead's and the Darnell Savages

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Speaker 4: and guys that have been to the postseason. These guys

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Speaker 4: have been captains on their teams. You know, they've been

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Speaker 4: to Super Bowls, They've been to AFC.

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Speaker 2: Championship games, you know. So these guys know how to win.

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Speaker 4: And that's that's kind of the influx of talent that

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Speaker 4: we want to bring on to this our young roster.

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Speaker 4: Guys that have been there, done that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, been there, done that. They know how to win,

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Speaker 2: they know how to get to the playoffs, and once

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Speaker 2: they're in the playoffs, then that takes care of itself.

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Speaker 2: And they didn't get to the playoffs last year, so

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Speaker 2: having that experience down the stretch is something that they

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Speaker 2: were looking for. Apparently, Well, I like what they've done,

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Speaker 2: because you're talking about veteran players, and I think the

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Speaker 2: only player that might be borderline getting up in years

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Speaker 2: but he's a different category because you know, an offensive

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Speaker 2: lineman has a longer lifespan or longer shelf life than

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Speaker 2: Eric Armstead, I think, is going to have some kind

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Speaker 2: from last year. He's missed some games, but when you

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Speaker 2: this football team. And you know, in a perfect world,

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Speaker 2: you like to have Eric Armstead as a rookie, you know,

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Speaker 2: ask me, what would this team draft? What do you

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Speaker 2: think they're going to draft.

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Speaker 3: I think some of the obvious answers are wide receiver

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Speaker 3: I think even a defensive tackle could be a possibility

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Speaker 3: at number one for this football team just because I mean, look,

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Speaker 3: have you ever had too many good big men?

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Speaker 2: No, it's hard to find him.

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Speaker 3: I mean, let's go ask the Philadelphia Eagles if they

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Speaker 3: But I mean, log, they've spent so much equity on

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Speaker 3: last what five years? Right, that shows you what the

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Speaker 3: how valued that those positions are.

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Speaker 2: At some point the investments you've made need to go

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Speaker 2: get better themselves. And you got some other position groups

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Speaker 2: on this team too well. I think part of the problem.

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Speaker 3: Is that is that you have invested in that position

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Speaker 3: you missed with calevon Chase on Smoots just kind of

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Speaker 3: So you haven't been able to hit any home runs

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Speaker 3: at that position, and it's one of the reasons why

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Speaker 3: you've had to go to free agency to supplement the

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Speaker 3: talent at that position. One of the guys that you

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Speaker 3: were excited about big to Don Hamilton last year was

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Speaker 3: that impacted his ability to help this football team. So, uh,

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Speaker 3: part of that JP is that this team has had

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Speaker 3: some self inflicted wounds that they haven't done a good

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Speaker 3: enough job drafting, and they've had to expend some free

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Speaker 3: to keep swinging because that's an important position.

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Speaker 2: But at some point the free agency train has to stop, right,

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Speaker 2: You got to start getting your own guy in develop

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Speaker 2: and then bring those guys back there like Josh Allen, Right,

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Speaker 2: I mean, give them a contract extension.

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Speaker 3: Sure, maybe a year or two ago would have been nice.

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Speaker 3: I think it would have been less expensive, But I

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Speaker 3: mean then they could they have still until July fifteen.

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Speaker 3: I'm not saying that point the interior guys are all

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Speaker 3: free agent or except Hamilton.

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Speaker 2: He was a draft pick here, that's right. Roy Robertson,

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Speaker 2: Harris fought a Coosi's gone now. So it's something they've

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Speaker 2: just brought another free agent in Armstead. I mean that's

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Speaker 2: you'd like to You'd like to have players that are

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Speaker 2: that's what your draft picks are. Those are more affordable

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Speaker 2: But I think that this football team could draft anybody.

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Speaker 2: Just because they went and got Eric Armstead, or they

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Speaker 2: went and got you know, for example, Darnell Savage safety,

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Speaker 2: doesn't prohibit them from drafting a safety, or doesn't prohibit

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Speaker 2: April twenty fifth, I believe that day is the general consensus.

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Speaker 2: And a lot of these mock drafts is cornerback. Let's

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Speaker 2: hear Doug Peterson on the status of the cornerback room

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Speaker 2: as it stands right now. I feel good, you know,

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Speaker 4: You know, Ronald Darby who we had in Philly and

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Speaker 4: added that piece obviously, and with Tyson back there, and

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Speaker 4: you know, now with Darnell adding that mix, we got

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Speaker 4: as we mentioned Antonio, and you know, we say we

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Speaker 2: I mean, all right, so that's the status of the

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Speaker 2: there's gonna gonna be some newer or younger faces in there,

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Speaker 2: and a lot of these mocks have at seventeen the

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Speaker 2: Jaguars going at corner. You talk about too many big

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Speaker 2: you can't have too many big men. You can't have

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Speaker 2: you got to think about it too.

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Speaker 3: When you think about corner, I think about it from

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Speaker 3: the standpoint of, okay, you're gonna play nickel and you're

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Speaker 3: gonna play dot, and safeties are now becoming playing linebacker,

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Speaker 3: and then you're playing more corners that are playing safety, right,

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Speaker 3: that's right. It's not very often that you have a

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Speaker 2: You're having a corner that has.

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Speaker 3: The ability to move to safety because it's a little

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Speaker 3: little bit higher than playing safety. I'm probably not in

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Speaker 3: have to manage the talent, but you got to manage

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Speaker 3: the cap from a number standpoint. His number was pretty hot.

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Speaker 3: He was a very good football player last year. I

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Speaker 3: think it was a top ten corner in the league

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Speaker 2: Past his defense, he was great when the ball was

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Speaker 2: in the air, and yeah, such, but the way they're

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Speaker 2: but I mean good corners are good corners. I mean so.

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Speaker 3: But the challenge is, Okay, now you've got to find

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Speaker 3: somebody that can take that spot.

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Speaker 2: Okay, did Darby Is he going to be that guy?

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Speaker 2: You know? Can he help that position? Look?

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Speaker 3: I don't know, but I think that this football team

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Speaker 3: is definitely going to be leaning towards the draft to

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Speaker 3: this team has taken some shots at that position and

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Speaker 3: they've done it later in the draft in years past

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Speaker 3: that you know, in the fifth and the sixth round

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Speaker 3: and the seventh round they've taken multiple in years we're

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Speaker 3: at the seventh round, yes, and so I think now

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Speaker 3: you've got to look at it, maybe doing it a

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Speaker 3: little bit higher where the percentages of hitting are a

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Speaker 3: little bit better. But but yeah, that's a tough position

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Speaker 3: one and just hits the ground and running. The guy

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Speaker 3: in Houston, for example, the corner that was drafted, I

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Speaker 3: think it was third overall, ahead of Sauce Gardner a

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Speaker 3: couple of years ago, and my name Stingley.

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Speaker 2: Stingley, Okay, he did not have a very good rookie year.

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Speaker 2: I mean, he was downright poor his first year in fact,

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Speaker 2: hip drop tackle after this on Jaguars Happy Hour. Jaguars

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Speaker 2: Congratulations goes out to Dan Edwards, former Jaguars PR executive,

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Speaker 3: One of the finest men that I have ever had

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Speaker 2: Can you imagine the BUSSELLI Dan Edwards Combo football autograph.

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Speaker 2: that is illegal now is where the player is lifting

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Speaker 2: himself in the air and then falling on the legs.

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Speaker 3: He swivels, it kind of turns his body to land

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Speaker 3: on the lower body of the of the ball.

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Speaker 2: Care there's been all this outrage on social media. Oh,

438
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Speaker 2: they're banning tackling now, and let's put flags on everybody

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Speaker 2: and all the what do you think. I'm okay with it.

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Speaker 2: I'm okay with it because it it's trying to protect

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Speaker 2: the players that carry the ball, which those are the

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Speaker 2: players that sell the game, that make the game popular.

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Speaker 3: And if it makes it a little bit harder on

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Speaker 3: the defenders to find a different way to get them

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Speaker 3: down or to corral them, then so be it. The

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Speaker 3: league will adjust, the players will adjust. The first time

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Speaker 3: I ever saw the hip drop.

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Speaker 2: Tackle, and it wasn't even it didn't even have that

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Speaker 2: name at that time, was going back into the I

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Speaker 2: guess it was early mid nineties when I was with

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Speaker 2: the Jets and we were getting ready to play the

452
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Speaker 2: Philadelphia Eagles, who had Randall Cunningham, and we put a

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Speaker 2: bounty and I believe this was ninety four, we put

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Speaker 2: a bounty on Randall Cunningham to take them out of

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Speaker 2: the game. Oh my gosh.

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Speaker 3: And I want to say the pot was somewhere around

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Speaker 3: I don't know, about three or four grand.

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Speaker 2: Maybe ras right. I mean, the people have been like,

459
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Speaker 2: you know, they look taking draft picks to fires. That

460
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Speaker 2: stuff was widespread the league at this period of time. Obviously,

461
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Speaker 2: now that you know that stuff's not good. But and

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Speaker 2: so Marvin Washington and and he didn't intentionally do this

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Speaker 2: to hurt Randall cunning him. And when I when I

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Speaker 2: say take him out of the game, we weren't trying

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Speaker 2: to take him out of the game by breaking a

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Speaker 2: leg or anything of that nature. You know, just a

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Speaker 2: good solid legal hit.

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Speaker 3: You know, hey, he's got to leave the game because

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Speaker 3: he's he's hurt a little bit. But Marvin tackled Randall

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Speaker 3: and then fell on his legs in that hip drop

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Speaker 3: tackle style, and it broke Randall cunning in Ham's leg.

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Speaker 3: And U Phil Marvin got a pretty good pot, I

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Speaker 3: believe that week.

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Speaker 2: But but I mean that's.

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Speaker 3: The first time that I ever saw that style of

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Speaker 3: tackle that had an injury impact on the player that

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Speaker 3: was tackled. Now, I've never tackled anybody like that that

478
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Speaker 3: I know of, because I wasn't. I didn't try to

479
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Speaker 3: do that, and nobody that I know would do that

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Speaker 3: to try to intention hurt somebody. Sometimes you're just trying

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Speaker 3: to do anything you can to bring somebody down.

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Speaker 2: Think about a defensive back and here's Derrick Henry coming

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Speaker 2: at you. I mean, you're gonna go high on him.

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Speaker 2: You know, like Derrick Henry is very difficult to hip

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Speaker 2: drop tackle on because to do the hip drop tackle,

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Speaker 2: you gotta come high and then kind of fall down

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Speaker 2: on the legs. And nobody's going high on Derrick Henry,

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Speaker 2: you know what. We were talking about this because he

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Speaker 2: does that. We're talking about this with Bucky Brooks yesterday.

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Speaker 2: It might cause at some point a rash in more

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Speaker 2: knee injuries moving ahead, because some of those guys, those

492
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Speaker 2: smaller guys might have to go low. Now, if you're

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Speaker 2: running out of targets high on guys, you can't hip

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Speaker 2: drop all this stuff.

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Speaker 3: I mean, look that's been happening anyway, because you know

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Speaker 3: the where you're getting defenders that are trying to stay

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Speaker 3: away from the head and neck area of receivers and

498
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Speaker 3: ball carriers because of possible penalties or potentially even getting

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Speaker 3: tossed out of the game if it's a repeat offense.

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Speaker 3: So I'm not of the belief like Bucky that this

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Speaker 3: is going to end up causing more knee injury.

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Speaker 2: I think the.

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Speaker 3: Rules that are already in place have already led to

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Speaker 3: some knee injuries. But again I think that the league

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Speaker 3: and the players will adjust like they have before with

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Speaker 3: different rule changs. Just like when you remember you talking

507
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Speaker 3: about the offensive line rules about not cutting in a

508
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Speaker 3: certain area, but saw he was losing his mind that

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Speaker 3: this was going to be implemented to do that.

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Speaker 2: Why can't you know?

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Speaker 3: And again the offensive lineman adjusted and we forget about

512
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Speaker 3: it that it was even an issue one play.

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Speaker 2: I think that you might remember remember the playoff game

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Speaker 2: against the Chiefs a couple of seasons ago when Patrick

515
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Speaker 2: Mahomes arden Key fell on the back of his leg

516
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Speaker 2: and that was a hip drop. That would have been

517
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Speaker 2: a hip drop because he was off the ground and

518
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Speaker 2: he fell on that right leg and twisted up.

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Speaker 3: That and gave him the high ankle injury and I've

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Speaker 3: read some of the comments from the league, and I

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Speaker 3: believe it was Troy Vincent talked about it, and he said,

522
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Speaker 3: plain and simple, and he threw some numbers out there

523
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Speaker 3: about the percentage increase in injury of a hip drop

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Speaker 3: tackle compared to a regular tackle. And it was a

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Speaker 3: little bit difficult to understand and decipher the percentages that

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Speaker 3: he threw out there. And I don't know if he

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Speaker 3: got it completely right, but I understand it. I understood

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Speaker 3: his intent that there's a much higher injury rate with

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Speaker 3: that style of tackle versus anything else. And again, the

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Speaker 3: league will adjust and it will go forward, and I

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Speaker 3: don't think it's that big of a deal at all.

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Speaker 3: The major rule change is going to be the kickoff

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Speaker 3: return thing.

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Speaker 2: Let's get to that. There is a new kickoff rule.

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Speaker 2: Of course, this is an XFL style. The kickers at

536
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Speaker 2: the thirty five that's where the balls on the tee.

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Speaker 2: The other ten players and the kicking team will line

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Speaker 2: up the opposing team's forty yard line. The receiving team

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Speaker 2: will have at least nine players in a five yard

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Speaker 2: setup zone that's between the thirty five and thirty. The

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Speaker 2: returners are in a landing zone. And the red zone

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Speaker 2: between the twenty and the goal line. Nobody can move

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Speaker 2: until the ball is by our returner, and it's a

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Speaker 2: touchback at the twenty. If it touches the ground or

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Speaker 2: a player and the landing zone and goes past the

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Speaker 2: goal line, it's down a touch back at the thirty

547
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Speaker 2: if the ball is kicked into the end zone. So

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Speaker 2: they're encouraging more returns. I like the visual slide that

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Speaker 2: you have prepared here. That's second League. That's from the

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Speaker 2: league Jackary not com David Choe in the background getting

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Speaker 2: that done today. So it passed twenty nine to three,

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Speaker 2: and this opens up obviously the return There were no

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Speaker 2: returns at all in the Super Bowl. Thirteen kickoffs, zero returns.

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Speaker 2: They want it back in the game. They want it

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Speaker 2: as safe as possible. What do you like about this? Well,

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Speaker 2: I like it because it now makes another potentially exciting play.

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Speaker 3: I think it will create more points. It also will

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Speaker 3: put a bit of a premium on special teams play,

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Speaker 3: which has kind of fallen by the wayside a little bit,

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Speaker 3: so it will make those players more important. Daniel Thomas, Yes,

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Speaker 3: Daniel Thomas now becomes more important to this Jaguars roster

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Speaker 3: because of a play that's now going to be changed,

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Speaker 3: it's going to be a legitimate chance for the opponents

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Speaker 3: to score on. So you better have some guys that

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Speaker 3: have a little bit of size, okay, and also a

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Speaker 3: lot of speed to be able to play in some space.

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Speaker 3: A lot of people think that now it's going to

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Speaker 3: create more of a demand for linebackers. I'm not a

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Speaker 3: believer in that. The most popular special teams players over

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Speaker 3: the last decade in the NFL has evolved to the

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Speaker 3: safety type player, players that weigh in that two to

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Speaker 3: ten ish range two hundred and fifteen pound range, that

573
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Speaker 3: have got speed and the ability to run in space.

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Speaker 3: If you're a Daniel Thomas guy, now you've become more important.

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Speaker 3: I think you're going to have the payroll change a

576
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 3: little bit because you're going to have to make sure

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Speaker 3: that you have guys that can prepare for that very play.

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Speaker 3: And Daniel Thomas, I think has been the jaguars best

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Speaker 3: special teamer along with obviously Wingard, who has been a

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Speaker 3: tremendou player. And Daniel Thomas has got i think a

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Speaker 3: really very special ability because he's an outstanding gunner who's

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Speaker 3: got the speed on the outside on punting, which makes

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Speaker 3: him very unique.

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Speaker 2: You know where this can get interesting on the returns

585
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Speaker 2: is when these coordinators start scheming up returns and you

586
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Speaker 2: can start pulling guys and get lead blockers out in front.

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Speaker 2: In theory, if you haven't planned that way, or maybe

588
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:28,400
Speaker 2: throwing a lateral across the field, that's always the possibility

589
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Speaker 2: because you only have so if you're not gonna have,

590
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 2: you know, layers of guys on one side of the

591
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Speaker 2: field coming after you in the corner, you're gonna you

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Speaker 2: get to the corner fast, there's three or four guys there,

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Speaker 2: and you have an opportunity to take at the distance. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: The one person that I'm gonna call on this to

595
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Speaker 3: get some commentary input on is from Darryl Johnson, who

596
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Speaker 3: was longtime Dallas Cowboy full back on Super Bowls with

597
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Speaker 3: Troy Aikman and Emmitt Smith. And Darryl's a good friend

598
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Speaker 3: of mine. Darryl and I came in the league together,

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Speaker 3: and he was the previous head of I think believe

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Speaker 3: the XFL and was a big part of the league.

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Speaker 2: He was in the USFL and the us is still

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Speaker 2: involved in the new merch He is involved.

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Speaker 3: He's the kind of the head guy of USFL, so

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Speaker 3: he's been around that play a little bit longer. So

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Speaker 3: I'm going to talk to him at some point in

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Speaker 3: the next week and get his input and thoughts and

607
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Speaker 3: because it's going to be interesting.

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Speaker 2: This is kind of new ground, but it's a little.

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Speaker 3: Bit of premium on a returner, the ability to have

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00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 3: players that can play special teams. But also where's the

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Speaker 3: creativity now gonna go? Because now you have a new play,

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Speaker 3: a new play that you can tinker with. Okay, if

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Speaker 3: you're the mad scientist coach in the office this time

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Speaker 3: of year, you're now creating things. You're reading a rule

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Speaker 3: book to the full extent about what you can and

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Speaker 3: can't do. I'm sure they're going to be able to

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Speaker 3: maybe find some holes that maybe those holes will have

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Speaker 3: to get tweaked in the future, but it's something I'm

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Speaker 3: looking forward to. I'm glad that this play was instituted

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Speaker 3: along the lines of the hip drop tackle and that

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Speaker 3: you've now cut down on some potentially potentially violent collisions

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Speaker 3: that have been happening for years on kickoff coverage. The

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Speaker 3: speed of the collisions of that play over the years,

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Speaker 3: I've seen some plays that will just make you make

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Speaker 3: you kind of hold your breath and hope that the

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Speaker 3: player that took the ended up receiving hit what was

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Speaker 3: gonna be?

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Speaker 2: Jeff Logman ten TENEXL Jaguars dot Com Jaguars too. That

652
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 2: brings us into keeping it real for this week. Logs

653
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 2: Mitch Morris and Eric Armstead, both tenth year players in

654
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:14,719
Speaker 2: the NFL coming up in twenty twenty four, and they're

655
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 2: veteran players, right, that's what they are. Ten years in.

656
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:21,920
Speaker 2: Mitch Morris says, missed some games off and on the

657
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:25,439
Speaker 2: last few years. I think last year he played every game. Yeah,

658
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:28,879
Speaker 2: seventeen games last year, thirteen games in twenty twenty two,

659
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:33,479
Speaker 2: seventeen the year before he didn't he miss the Jaguars game,

660
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:38,319
Speaker 2: and uh oh yeah yeah Tottenham, Yeah yeah, no, no,

661
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:40,759
Speaker 2: he played members. If he missed that game, he was

662
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:43,799
Speaker 2: in it. You know. Earlier in his career in Kansas City,

663
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,319
Speaker 2: though missed some significant time. It's a long time ago. Now,

664
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Speaker 2: Eric Armstead's coming off of meniscus injury and he still

665
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 2: came back and played through the playoffs to do that.

666
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:56,240
Speaker 2: They're free agent guys you come to plug and play now.

667
00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:00,760
Speaker 2: But for whatever reason, if they're not around or available

668
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 2: a certain week, then what's the It's the same group

669
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 2: that you had without them, Right that everybody was so

670
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:13,399
Speaker 2: concerned about the offensive line going into free agency. How

671
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:15,719
Speaker 2: do you go about it if for some reason they

672
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 2: aren't available.

673
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 3: Well, first and foremost, this team's not done making additions

674
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:22,360
Speaker 3: to this roster, so that that part is not complete.

675
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 3: It won't be done either after the draft. There will

676
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 3: be a different class of players that you can sign

677
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 3: after the draft to supplement the depth that maybe you

678
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:36,920
Speaker 3: couldn't address in the draft. So there's still time to

679
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:40,319
Speaker 3: address those needs of all a sudden, Okay, Mitch morsemisses

680
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:40,719
Speaker 3: some time.

681
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 2: Okay, well who can step in? Okay?

682
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:46,279
Speaker 3: What happens if Eric Armstead misses some time? Well, we're

683
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 3: gonna have hopefully some new, younger defensive tackle on the

684
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:54,400
Speaker 3: roster from whether it be a draft choice or an

685
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:57,359
Speaker 3: undrafted free agent, or a guy that was a more

686
00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 3: affordable free agent option. So I don't worry about that.

687
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 3: I think you also look a little bit at the

688
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 3: durability issues in the players past. For the most part,

689
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:10,400
Speaker 3: these players have been available. Now if you were thinking

690
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 3: about signing, for example, the tackle that the New York

691
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 3: Jets signed from the Dallas Cowboys.

692
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,320
Speaker 2: Oh Smith, Tyron Smith.

693
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Speaker 3: Tyron Smith, Now that would be kind of you know,

694
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 3: the sirens would be going off and the flashing lights

695
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:30,239
Speaker 3: would be going off a little bit there, because he

696
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 3: hasn't been available very much over the last couple of years.

697
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 3: But the two players that were talking about, and Mitch

698
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:38,760
Speaker 3: Morris and Eric Armstead, they have for the most part

699
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 3: been out there. But there's always a risk associated with

700
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:47,239
Speaker 3: any player, whether it's a year ten player or a

701
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 3: year four to five player. For example, Roy Robertson. Harris

702
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:53,240
Speaker 3: for the most part, has been available to this football

703
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 3: team almost every game since the day that he was

704
00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:00,959
Speaker 3: signed as a free agent. Okay, you did good there, Well,

705
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:03,840
Speaker 3: you flip that around and you look at some of

706
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:08,320
Speaker 3: the other players that you've acquired, and then the defensive

707
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 3: tackle that you just lost or let go of and

708
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 3: he went up signing. Patakasi wasn't available for a whole

709
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 3: lot of games, you know, but he was a young

710
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 3: player that had a lot of availability prior to signing him.

711
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 3: So I mean, sometimes it's just the luck of the draw.

712
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 3: Sometimes age has something to do with it, but sometimes

713
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 3: it doesn't have anything to do with age at all.

714
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Speaker 3: The thing though about this too is miss Morris's deal

715
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 3: is what two years? Eric Armstead reportedly two years? Eric

716
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 3: Armstead's reportedly three years. Yes, so this.

717
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Speaker 2: With their age in theory, you'll have to be doing

718
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:46,320
Speaker 2: this kind of finding. You have to find these positions

719
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 2: again in a couple of years, right and as they're

720
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:52,279
Speaker 2: going for it now, if they're bringing these guys into

721
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 2: play right now, and be it that this is not

722
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:58,720
Speaker 2: quite an all in moment poker reference, but we're getting

723
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:00,080
Speaker 2: darn close right well.

724
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Speaker 3: And what you're trying to do is to supplement the

725
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:06,880
Speaker 3: depth on your football team, and you'll continue to supplement

726
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:09,919
Speaker 3: the depth on your football team. For example, you've got

727
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:12,800
Speaker 3: Luke Fortner, okay, at center. Now you've got Mitch Morse

728
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 3: also playing center. Okay, you kind of think, maybe, okay,

729
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:18,280
Speaker 3: Mitch Morse is going to play in the immediate future,

730
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:20,759
Speaker 3: and then Luke Fordner goes to be a backup. Maybe

731
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 3: a swing guy if he can earn that position. Does

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Speaker 3: that keep you from drafting a center If all of

733
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Speaker 3: a sudden you've got a player that's rated really well

734
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Speaker 3: on your draft board in round four, I wouldn't be

735
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 3: scared of doing that because the reality is is that

736
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:42,920
Speaker 3: you have to continue to supplement your roster and hopefully,

737
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:45,360
Speaker 3: and maybe it's not round for it. Maybe you say, Okay,

738
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:48,839
Speaker 3: we can't find the value because we don't have that

739
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:51,400
Speaker 3: kind of value on that position because we already have

740
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 3: two players. But and maybe round seven you would say,

741
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:58,360
Speaker 3: you know what, center, sure, and you might find a

742
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:02,880
Speaker 3: guy in round seven is a tremendous center at some point.

743
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 2: In the future that you develop.

744
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 3: So you always are looking to try to make your

745
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:10,800
Speaker 3: roster better. And I think you you put a higher

746
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 3: value on a position if it's something that you have

747
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 3: a position of need, but it doesn't preclude you from

748
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Speaker 3: drafting any position that you don't have a really a

749
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Speaker 3: need for. Maybe you just say, okay, well, like I

750
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:27,440
Speaker 3: said later, in a draft, maybe you can find something

751
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:28,759
Speaker 3: there just because the.

752
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:29,880
Speaker 2: Player is too good to pass up.

753
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 3: What if it's a linebacker like a corner corner, Obviously

754
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:35,720
Speaker 3: I think the value is high in the early rounds

755
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:36,959
Speaker 3: because you have a need.

756
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Speaker 2: There. What if it's a linebacker. I mean they've drafted

757
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 2: how many linebackers the last two or three years around here? Well,

758
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 2: and I'm okay with drafting a linebacker. Here's here's why. Uh.

759
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:52,320
Speaker 3: Number one, you've got a very expensive starter, a veteran

760
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:55,800
Speaker 3: player yep, okay, that you paid in free agency because

761
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 3: you weren't really drafting. Well, then you have two draft

762
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 3: picks okay that are not really draft picks anymore, but

763
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 3: they're you're young players and Devin Lloyd and.

764
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:07,280
Speaker 2: Chad Muma.

765
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:10,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, so these are players that are younger. Well,

766
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:14,359
Speaker 3: you got this new kickoff rule. You're thinking also now

767
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:16,400
Speaker 3: that linebackers are going to be a little bit. So

768
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:18,239
Speaker 3: you're not going to say, well, we're not going to

769
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:21,360
Speaker 3: draft a linebacker. You're still going to consider draft the

770
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 3: linebacker because your your best linebacker is an expensive option

771
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 3: and you're always trying to get high level of performance

772
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 3: with lesser amount of pay so you can use higher

773
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 3: pay for the holes that you weren't.

774
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 2: Able to fill. Well, I think we just kept it real.

775
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 2: I mean that's you kept it real.

776
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:43,839
Speaker 3: Unfortunately, in the National Football League, and some people don't

777
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 3: like this. There's a lot of economic decisions.

778
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 2: That have to be made because you have to manage

779
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 2: a roster, but you have to manage the roster within

780
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 2: the confines of the salary cap, and so you have

781
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 2: to be smart about it. Up next to Microsoft Social

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Speaker 2: tinton Exlam Jaguars dot Com, Jaguars YouTube. Winding down the

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Speaker 2: final moments of this Thursday afternoon coming up April fifteen. Yes,

789
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 2: it's the start of the off season program. Yes, it

790
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:51,320
Speaker 2: is anything conditioning that's coming up, sure enough, so players

791
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 2: will be back around and here we go off season program.

792
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Speaker 3: The off season has already started for most of the players.

793
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:01,279
Speaker 3: I mean they're doing it on their own wherever they are.

794
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 2: There's a lot of players that go to which has

795
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:09,479
Speaker 2: really been a dynamic that's changed through the years years ago,

796
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:12,920
Speaker 2: players once they left and went their own way, they

797
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:16,360
Speaker 2: just work out at a local gym and get together

798
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 2: sometimes on their college campus.

799
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 3: They'd maybe return there. But now you have all of

800
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 3: these elite performance training centers and people that have these

801
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 3: high level strength and conditioning coaches. I mean, and a

802
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:33,319
Speaker 3: lot of players take maybe a few days off at

803
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 3: the conclusion of the season, then immediately become immersed in

804
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:42,480
Speaker 3: this training program that starts for them somewhere else, and

805
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 3: then once they come back here, they've already been doing

806
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 3: that stuff for weeks or months, and now they're just

807
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:52,439
Speaker 3: doing it with this team, with the team here at

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00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 3: the NEC.

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Speaker 2: Or the MECH as it's called. Is it called the MECH?

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Speaker 2: The mech MEC right? Heard it? Me? See, I haven't

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00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:03,880
Speaker 2: heard the MECH terminology yet. I mean, it's Miller elect Center.

812
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:06,719
Speaker 2: I know that. Yeah, the MAC. You're just starting that now,

813
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Speaker 2: I think, have you heard that? I don't know if

814
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 2: I've heard that before or not, but it's to call

815
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:16,439
Speaker 2: the maccent. Well, I know what, it's the Miller Electric Center,

816
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:21,959
Speaker 2: the MEC. I mean, it's sounds good. It's sure, the MAC.

817
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 2: It's catchy. I'm with you. What's what's the guy the

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Speaker 2: NFL films John John The Autumn wind is a rader wind.

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Speaker 2: Let's get to some I don't have, nobody does. Nobody

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Speaker 2: the best we've come up with at Amelia Wizards. So

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Speaker 2: Logoman has just been retained as D line coach. What

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00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 2: specific techniques would he teach Trayvon Walker to improve his game?

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00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:01,719
Speaker 3: Well, and start with techniques, One of the things that

826
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 3: I think that Trayvon really has to learn is to

827
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 3: be able to get on the edges of offensive lineman

828
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:09,799
Speaker 3: as a pass rusher, you know, because I think that's

829
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:12,880
Speaker 3: really I wouldn't work so much on and you can

830
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 3: obviously with the run technique, but I think he's pretty

831
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 3: good against.

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00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:16,360
Speaker 2: The run already.

833
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 3: But as a pass rusher, a lot of times he

834
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 3: wants to go down the middle of an offensive line.

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Speaker 2: Right by the number.

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Speaker 3: He's giving the offensive lineman the handlebars, so to speak.

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Speaker 3: And when you give an offensive lineman the handlebars, you

838
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 3: give them controls. When you get on their edges, become

839
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 3: a little bit more elusive or a little less.

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Speaker 2: Of a target. Then you can create some difficulty for

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00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 2: an offensive lineman. So, for example, JP, if I was

842
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:46,880
Speaker 2: pass rushing you, I don't want to let you grab

843
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:50,920
Speaker 2: a hold of my shirt right at my chest and

844
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 2: grab a hole.

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Speaker 3: So I don't want to bull rush you or power

846
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 3: rush you all the time. If I end up bull

847
00:44:57,560 --> 00:45:00,120
Speaker 3: rushing you or power rushing you, I want to make

848
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:03,240
Speaker 3: you think that I'm speed rushing you up the field

849
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:05,360
Speaker 3: and then give you a little shake.

850
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:08,239
Speaker 2: Now you're not sure what I'm doing. Now you're you're

851
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:10,840
Speaker 2: a little bit lighter in your feet, and you're not

852
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:13,440
Speaker 2: expecting power. So then I can bull rush you.

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Speaker 3: But I think Trayvon a lot of times has a

854
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:18,840
Speaker 3: tendency to go to the power right away, and he

855
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:20,840
Speaker 3: needs to not go to the power. He needs to

856
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 3: work the edges a little bit more in the at

857
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:26,960
Speaker 3: the beginning of his pass rush and then also his

858
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Speaker 3: get off. It's got to be better.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:34,360
Speaker 3: Dwight Freenie Hall of Famer. Sure, what's the one great

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00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 3: trait that Dwight Freeny had?

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00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 2: That first step?

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Speaker 3: The first step light Howie Long one of the greatest

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Speaker 3: defensive tackles to ever play the game, one of the

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Speaker 3: greatest announcers that I think has been in the studio.

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Speaker 3: Love how he how he had arguably the greatest first

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Speaker 3: step back at that stage of the NFL. When I

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Speaker 3: say that stage, he was one of the great pass

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Speaker 3: rushing defensive tackles who had an unbelievable first step. Studied snapcounts,

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Speaker 3: studied cadences, studied the audible system of a quarterback, so

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Speaker 3: that he knew that, Okay, if the quarterback comes to

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Speaker 3: the line of scrimmage, he goes all right.

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Speaker 2: Red thirty two, red thirty two, red, minute was on one?

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Speaker 2: Why because think of red, white and blue. Red is one,

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Speaker 2: white as two, blue is three. Or he would understand

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Speaker 2: that sometimes snapcounts Okay, okay, blue one twenty one, blue

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Speaker 2: one twenty one, and the ball snapped on two. What

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Speaker 2: does that tell you for the next time?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, second number in the sequence when the quarterback gets

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Speaker 3: the live oft scrimmage tells you the snapcount. How he

881
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Speaker 3: was good at that. If Trayvon can get a little

882
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Speaker 3: bit more of that, he will be a better pass

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Speaker 3: rusher if he has a better get off and he's

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Speaker 3: working the edges of the offensive players with more frequency

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Speaker 3: than he has done.

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Speaker 2: Next question, at radius underscore Joe Hanson. It feels like

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Speaker 2: the Jags had good free agency addressing critical needs to

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Speaker 2: give themselves flexibility in the draft. So what do you

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Speaker 2: think are the most important position groups to address in

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Speaker 2: the first three rounds? Jeff Logoman.

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Speaker 3: Well, and I think it's a great question there from radius, Yeah, okay, radius, Sure,

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Speaker 3: I think it's a great question, and it's a great

893
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Speaker 3: observation that they have filled some hole. And I think

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Speaker 3: that that's the most important thing to do in free

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Speaker 3: agency prior to the draft, so that you can draft

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Speaker 3: the best available player. But there again, you still have

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Speaker 3: a little bit more value at certain position because you

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Speaker 3: maybe not have quite as much depth, and also position

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Speaker 3: to have more value based on for example, like corner

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Speaker 3: has more value than safety in my book, just because

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Speaker 3: it's more of a premium position, so you have a

902
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Speaker 3: little bit more value there.

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Speaker 2: So I love that. I love that. Okay, fill the holes.

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Speaker 3: Now you draft best available, best of ailable players. And

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Speaker 3: what position do I think first three round? I think

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Speaker 3: corner is always going to be there, wide receiver is

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Speaker 3: always going to be there, and then pass rusher is

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Speaker 3: always going to be there as well. And take your

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Speaker 3: pick whether it be a defensive tackle or an edge player,

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Speaker 3: because I think you got some flexibility with Trayvon to

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Speaker 3: move them inside or outside, and also moving Josh inside occasionally,

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Speaker 3: because we saw Josh and Trayvon get sacked from the

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Speaker 3: three techniques this year, this past year. One more question

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Speaker 3: at Waco, Gerina, Jeff, in your opinion, who would play

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Speaker 3: Sam linebacker and what would be your ideal pass rush

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Speaker 3: combo hashtag DTWD. So, yes, give us your give us

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Speaker 3: your front four in a pass rushing situation. Well, wait

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Speaker 3: a minute, now, the Sam stuff too. The Sam linebacker

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Speaker 3: is I mean, you're talking about a position because typically

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Speaker 3: when you go to Nickel or Sam comes out correct.

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Speaker 3: So it's a position that only has about thirty percent

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Speaker 3: of the defensive snaps overall. That's not a time position.

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Speaker 3: I think you've got. Chad Muma can play Sam, Devin

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Speaker 3: Lloyd can play Sam. When you have three linebackers on

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Speaker 3: the field, you're perfect four down combination obviously Josh and Eric.

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Speaker 2: And then Trayvon.

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Speaker 3: And right now you've got to find the fourth, and

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Speaker 3: right now, I don't think you have a clear cut

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Speaker 3: fourth if I had to pick one right now. Roy

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Speaker 3: Robertson Harris just because he came off of last year healthy. Now,

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Speaker 3: before Devon Hambleton got hurt, Devon Hamilton was the most

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Speaker 3: impressive interior pass thrusher that this team had, who is

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Speaker 3: a true defensive tackle. But after the injury last year,

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Speaker 3: you know, he's got to kind of get back to

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Speaker 3: where he was at. But right now I would probably

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Speaker 3: choose Big Roy. How do you think, what would you

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Speaker 3: put out.

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Speaker 2: That seems right? But those are yeah. I mean you

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Speaker 2: start moving guys around though, you start moving Josh Allen

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Speaker 2: in or Trayvon inside, then you gotta have some outside guys.

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Speaker 2: This is where, you know.

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Speaker 3: This is where Also why I said that pass rusher

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Speaker 3: is a consideration in the first three rounds because perfect example,

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Speaker 3: you can't have too many good pass rushers. I don't

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Speaker 3: care if it's defensive tackle or defensive end edge, whatever

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Speaker 3: you want to call it, it doesn't matter. Thanks to

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Speaker 3: Joe Fortunado, Brent Reeber, David cho our entire crew behind

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Speaker 3: the scenes, Jeff Loghman and J. P.

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Speaker 2: Shadwick. Good to see you. We'll do it again next week.

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Speaker 2: Good to be seen. Yeah, always, that'll do it for Jaguars.

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