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Speaker 1: presented by cores Light and we're gonna start off the

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Speaker 1: top with some injury news. The Giants just wrapped up practice.

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Speaker 1: Pat Shermer is addressing the media, so we are monitoring

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Speaker 1: it on social media in case any breaking news comes forth,

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Speaker 1: will certainly bring it your way. But in terms of injuries,

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Speaker 1: Darius Slayton, and there's a direct quote from Pat Shermer quote,

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Speaker 1: is having an issue with the same hamstring. He's making

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Speaker 1: good progress end quote. Now, Slayton made that magnificent grab

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Speaker 1: in the Bengals game Paul to set up the one

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Speaker 1: yard touchdown by Rod Smith, and you thought, okay, wow,

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Speaker 1: this is a flash of what he's going to build

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Speaker 1: on moving forward. And unfortunately he seemed to have reaggravated

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Speaker 1: the answering injury that had sidelined him for the majority

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Speaker 1: of camp, and now he's going to work his way

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Speaker 1: back towards the field because of the same handstring. Well,

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Speaker 1: it was late in that game that he ran a

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Speaker 1: fly route down the far left sideline in front of

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Speaker 1: the Giants bench as I was calling it from my

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Speaker 1: play by play spot, and it looked to me like

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Speaker 1: he may have pulled up just a tad at the

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Speaker 1: end of the route. He went off to the sidelines,

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Speaker 1: did not consult with the trainers, but never came back

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Speaker 1: in the game, and I kind of put a yellow

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Speaker 1: flag up in the back of my mind that, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I don't think that's good. Something might not be right there.

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Speaker 1: And then yesterday he came out to practice and apparently

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Speaker 1: definitively did tweak it somehow, some way, and so that's

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Speaker 1: why he was over with the bikes today. Um, it's

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Speaker 1: a setback, there's no question how much of a setback

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Speaker 1: it is. Boy, But the fifty three coming up a

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Speaker 1: week from Saturday, actually this Saturday, it's not even a

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Speaker 1: week from Saturday. Were already in Patriots Week. I've lost

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Speaker 1: track of the time. Folks. Well, they all blend together

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Speaker 1: they really do. With the fifty three coming up on Saturday,

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Speaker 1: I don't see any way he's not on the fifty three.

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Speaker 1: But he better not have any further aggravations over the

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Speaker 1: course of the next few days, because if they feel

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Speaker 1: like they really need to quote shut him down, you've

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Speaker 1: got to wonder about what you're gonna do with him.

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Speaker 1: Of Course, now you can bring back two players from

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Speaker 1: I R because they expanded there, but if you put

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Speaker 1: them on I R before of course the fifty three,

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Speaker 1: he's done for the season. And I don't think there's

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Speaker 1: any way they really want to do that. I don't

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Speaker 1: think they want to do that either, which means that

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Speaker 1: you hope it's not as significant this time around, and

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Speaker 1: that you're confident he's going to be ready to go

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Speaker 1: week one, worst case scenario week two. So therefore you

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Speaker 1: don't have to put him on I R and lose

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Speaker 1: him for the season. So here's the problem. Even if

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Speaker 1: it's a two to four week thing, let's just say

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Speaker 1: for argument's sake, and I'm being totally hypothetical, folks, so

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Speaker 1: please don't take this as factual. But if he's going

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Speaker 1: to miss let's just say up to a month of time. Well,

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Speaker 1: you're already downtape because and that's what to me makes

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Speaker 1: this complicated. By you bringing that up, that fact makes

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Speaker 1: it sticky. Yeah, you're already knowing Golden Tad's out of

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Speaker 1: the equation for the first four games. Can you afford

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Speaker 1: Paul to put somebody else on the fifty three who

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Speaker 1: is in jeopardy? And this is just me speculating all

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Speaker 1: we know. Hopefully he's ready to go, his status is uncertain.

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Speaker 1: I think that's fair. So if you roll the dice,

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Speaker 1: you put another wide receiver on the fifty three, who's

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Speaker 1: iffy about whether or not he could get through the

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Speaker 1: four games that you need him for to help fill

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Speaker 1: the void left behind by Tate. Do you want to

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Speaker 1: put yourself in a position where you're really only playing

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Speaker 1: with five wide receivers and then, god forbid Paul one

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Speaker 1: of them gets hurt, then you all of a sudden

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Speaker 1: need to play the mathematical equation. To be fair, you'll

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Speaker 1: has been done where teams have gone into a game

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Speaker 1: so you could probably it's cutting it close, but you

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Speaker 1: You could probably do it. Boy, you're not giving yourself

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Speaker 1: much room. Well, and that's where I'm getting at. The point,

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Speaker 1: just hope it's not that big of a deal and

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Speaker 1: he doesn't necessarily play into England but feels good enough

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Speaker 1: that they don't have to make a move with him.

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Speaker 1: Let's just hope that that's the case absolutely now. The

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Speaker 1: other injury of note is Sam Beale, who did return

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Speaker 1: to practice the other day and was taking a step

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Speaker 1: So that's something that Pat Shermer, as I'm reading through

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Speaker 1: Dan Salomo on our colleagues tweets, I haven't seen anything

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Speaker 1: there's anything to be concerned at that front. As far

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Speaker 1: as another point, that Pat Shermer brought up during the

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Speaker 1: course of his press conference. He said, at this point,

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Speaker 1: they don't know the bottom of the depth chart, but

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Speaker 1: they kind of know the top. There's still spots to

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Speaker 1: be one. The fifty three will be announced on Saturday,

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Speaker 1: so that's not necessarily anything new, but that maybe is

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Speaker 1: giving us a glimpse of what his goal is going

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Speaker 1: into that final preseason game. Paul, And if you go

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Speaker 1: back to last year, by the way, he sat a

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Speaker 1: lot of the starters, and he also sat, by the

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Speaker 1: way some of the bench guys who pretty much had

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Speaker 1: solidified their roster spot. So if you want to read

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Speaker 1: we may get a better indication based on who plays

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Speaker 1: on Thursday night. Here's the problem. There are so many

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Speaker 1: with quality players. Okay, you're right. Last year, much like

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Speaker 1: the year before, the Giants roster wasn't as talented. It

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Speaker 1: wasn't as deep as it is now. I've said this

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Speaker 1: on this show before I've gone into final cuts, saying,

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Speaker 1: you know what, there's probably only forty five guys, forty

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Speaker 1: three guys that I really think i'd like to keep,

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Speaker 1: and it's like, all right, fight it out for the

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Speaker 1: last ten spots because I don't have conviction about any

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Speaker 1: of you. I I have felt that way before. I'm

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Speaker 1: not saying the coach of the GM did. I don't

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Speaker 1: want to put words in their mouths. But for me,

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Speaker 1: looking at it from my eyes, that's what's happened in

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Speaker 1: I don't see that happening now. I look at this

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Speaker 1: roster of ninety. Actually there's one operating. I could say

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Speaker 1: giving away roster spots. On the back end, there's sixty

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Speaker 1: guys I want to keep on this team, and it's

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Speaker 1: not going to happen. So here's the problem. You can't

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Speaker 1: because they're on the bubble because they're not very good

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Speaker 1: and maybe they don't deserve to be here. The problem

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Speaker 1: is they're on the bubble because the guy who's fighting

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Speaker 1: to be better. Well, the competition at that the competition

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Speaker 1: is too good right now that you can't just differentiate

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Speaker 1: guys on the back of the depth chart and say, Okay,

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Speaker 1: those guys are fine. No, the competition is too tough.

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Speaker 1: I'm with you, But that's a good problem too. It's

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Speaker 1: a great problem to have. So that's why I don't

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Speaker 1: fighting for spots. And if you do that, you just

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Speaker 1: put yourself in a fro the quadry because if you say, okay,

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Speaker 1: a sudden the guy who he was competing with goes

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Speaker 1: out and has a kickbut game against the Patriots, Well, now,

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Speaker 1: how do you make the decision? It gives you some

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Speaker 1: more food for thought, that's essentially what it will do.

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Speaker 1: But it makes it harder as well. It does. But

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Speaker 1: I think practice is what is really going to differentiate

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Speaker 1: a lot of these guys, regardless of what happens in

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Speaker 1: multiple times, Poule is in an ideal world. He wants

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Speaker 1: selfish perspective. I'm sure that coach and his front office

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Speaker 1: But here's the problem, because the competition is so good

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Speaker 1: who you want to keep as fifty five, fifty six,

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Speaker 1: and I think most teams know that risk. Anybody on

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Speaker 1: the practice squad can be claimed, but the player that's

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Speaker 1: This is this is this is really the first time

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Speaker 1: that tells you how good this roster is right now. Well,

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Speaker 1: keep in mind, remember the Giants last year around this

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Speaker 1: time of the year made say claims, So somebody else's

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Speaker 1: players were also and what does that tell you about

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Speaker 1: the roster the Giants had at that point. Well, that's

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Speaker 1: why if you recall, Pat Schumer was actually asked a

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Speaker 1: he was asked by somebody in the media, do you

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Speaker 1: anticipate being as active on the waiver claim And he said, well, listen,

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Speaker 1: it's unlikely because in fairness, they have turned the roster

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Speaker 1: over immensely since Dave Gettleman attach Schremer have taken over.

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Speaker 1: So now I think it's fair to say they've got

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Speaker 1: a better grasp of the roster, they have a better

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Speaker 1: waiver claims, would I be stunned? No? Would I be

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Speaker 1: surprised somewhat? Yes, because you figure you're at this point

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Speaker 1: in time where you've brought in the type of players

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Speaker 1: We're doing all right? Yeah? Where did you go? Man?

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Speaker 1: All right, Big, appreciate the phone call. You got it.

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Speaker 1: with Clay in New Jersey. Clay, welcome to Big Blue

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Speaker 1: welcome to the program. What do you go for us?

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Speaker 1: How are you doing Lancing Paul coaching you. I'm doing

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Speaker 1: a game that counts. And then the third one will

428
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Speaker 1: be when he plays in a game and a team, UM,

429
00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:52,840
Speaker 1: pull up a game plan again and take away what

430
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Speaker 1: he wants to do, how he would do. I think

431
00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:57,560
Speaker 1: he would do well because the kid has shown that

432
00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:01,080
Speaker 1: he can then do at to be and and and

433
00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:04,840
Speaker 1: anything we do in life. I always said that you

434
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Speaker 1: will find a person's true character when they go through adversity.

435
00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:13,800
Speaker 1: And he's shown that he's gone through some adversity and

436
00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:17,199
Speaker 1: he bounced right back last week. Um, the hit he

437
00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:21,880
Speaker 1: took the next place, he bounced right back. He had

438
00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:26,080
Speaker 1: guys at his feet, he still made that thrill. H.

439
00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:31,080
Speaker 1: So he shows he has pockets presents. Um, you have

440
00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:34,560
Speaker 1: to have pocket presents and have pocket awareness. Those are

441
00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:38,280
Speaker 1: two different things. UM, but he's shown he has uh

442
00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:42,040
Speaker 1: pocket presents because he stood in there and he takes

443
00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:45,439
Speaker 1: the hits. He's not blinking, his eyes are not leaving

444
00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:48,280
Speaker 1: down field where he's looking at a past rusher come

445
00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:51,280
Speaker 1: down on him. He's still sticking in there. Like to him,

446
00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:53,400
Speaker 1: hold onto the ball a little more. But that's gonna come.

447
00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:56,200
Speaker 1: That comes with it experience, and he's gonna get that.

448
00:23:56,520 --> 00:24:00,320
Speaker 1: I think. I mean, right now, my feeling we've have

449
00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:03,000
Speaker 1: something here, this this that maybe something. Don't want to

450
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:06,320
Speaker 1: push him, I think needs to him. We don't want

451
00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:09,560
Speaker 1: to push him and force this thing. Um, but they'd

452
00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:12,119
Speaker 1: let him skeeep learning that be going through this and

453
00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:15,840
Speaker 1: I really think we've a something, all right, Coach Marvin,

454
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:18,920
Speaker 1: appreciate the phone call than you got lands. One thing

455
00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:21,520
Speaker 1: I want to amend to Coach Marvin's statement, and that

456
00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:23,960
Speaker 1: is he's saying, okay, Gettleman is the only one who

457
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:26,960
Speaker 1: saw it. I want to amend that statement. Because the

458
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:30,800
Speaker 1: Giants organization, they're scouting staff Coach Pat Shermer, they were

459
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:35,560
Speaker 1: unanimous in their feeling that not only was Daniel Jones

460
00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:39,199
Speaker 1: skilled enough to be the selection, but that he was

461
00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:41,960
Speaker 1: the right fit for this organization. He had all the

462
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:46,800
Speaker 1: mental makeup and the intangibles to make him a success

463
00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:51,440
Speaker 1: in New York for this franchise. It was a unanimous

464
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:54,920
Speaker 1: feeling amongst all the decision makers. And of course Gettleman

465
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:57,119
Speaker 1: ultimately pulls the trigger and the pick is going to

466
00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:00,280
Speaker 1: be married to his legacy. I understand that, but please

467
00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:05,880
Speaker 1: please also acknowledge that this was a Giants organization decision,

468
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:09,440
Speaker 1: and Getleman just made sure that he pushed the button. Uh.

469
00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:12,760
Speaker 1: To my knowledge, there were no arguments in the room

470
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:16,240
Speaker 1: against Daniel Jones. Yeah, I'm with you. I think Pat

471
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:19,280
Speaker 1: Shermer's echoed those sentiments. Dave Gettleman has echoed those sentiments.

472
00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:22,200
Speaker 1: And you know, those who are within the scouting department

473
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:24,880
Speaker 1: clearly were high on him because they gave their seal

474
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:28,439
Speaker 1: of approval when they were getting ready to pick number six. Overall,

475
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:31,280
Speaker 1: I think you know the fundamentals are there, which is

476
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:34,120
Speaker 1: what you know Coach Marvin was mentioning. You clearly could

477
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:38,840
Speaker 1: tell that it's not big for him to handle the moment.

478
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:41,760
Speaker 1: He can bounce back when things don't necessarily go right.

479
00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:44,479
Speaker 1: He handles himself very strongly in the pocket, and all

480
00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:47,480
Speaker 1: those things are encouraging. But you know, once again, no

481
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:49,800
Speaker 1: team has gone out there and game planned for Daniel

482
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Speaker 1: Jones right now, so you know, we're very limited. Like

483
00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:54,840
Speaker 1: anything else, it's a small sample size of what we've seen,

484
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,320
Speaker 1: so you know, we don't need to rush judgment on him.

485
00:25:57,320 --> 00:26:00,199
Speaker 1: I think it's important to get excited if or a

486
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:01,879
Speaker 1: fan on what you've seen, but at the end of

487
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:04,959
Speaker 1: the day, we'll eventually get to the point where he's

488
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:07,919
Speaker 1: gonna put into a regular season game. He'll become the

489
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,639
Speaker 1: starter down the road, and teams are gonna have to

490
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 1: study his strengths, prepare for his weaknesses, and see if

491
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Speaker 1: they can take advantage of that. And that, to me,

492
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 1: is going to tell the true test of what Daniel

493
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:19,679
Speaker 1: Jones is. I'm gonna put it in language that you

494
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:22,879
Speaker 1: can understand having sat with me for many years. The

495
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:27,000
Speaker 1: antipasta has been served, and it's delicious, and that's fine.

496
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:30,000
Speaker 1: But we haven't gotten to the main that's right. We

497
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:32,960
Speaker 1: and we're not near the main course. Okay, you're still

498
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:37,040
Speaker 1: you're so excited, you're mumbling on the cloth off the table,

499
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:42,359
Speaker 1: essentially the bread. The bread is pretty good too. That's fine. Well,

500
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:44,280
Speaker 1: we just haven't gotten to the utrack. We have not

501
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:48,040
Speaker 1: gounted to the army. Correct. It's bubbling, but it's not

502
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:50,919
Speaker 1: ready to be taken off the stove, out of the oven.

503
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:53,040
Speaker 1: As we continue to throw out as many food and

504
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:56,479
Speaker 1: analogies that are humanly possible in one program, all right,

505
00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:58,199
Speaker 1: let's head back to the phone lines. We check in

506
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Speaker 1: with lenn in Columbia, Maryland Land. What's happening. Hey, guys,

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00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 1: how you doing well. First of all, I want to

508
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 1: I want to say I just finished a couple of

509
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:11,399
Speaker 1: pieces of leftover pizza. Paul has Paul has made me

510
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:14,440
Speaker 1: hungry again. It's just starting starting to sound good. Paul

511
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 1: um Lance may have hinted at the answer to my

512
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:27,880
Speaker 1: um comment. But when we talk about the unanimous feeling

513
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:31,720
Speaker 1: about Daniel, I just I just want to make sure

514
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:35,679
Speaker 1: that you guys are saying it was a unanimous opinion

515
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:42,200
Speaker 1: in the room of Daniel Jones at number six. Correct. Yeah,

516
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 1: in terms of everybody was in the room was on board,

517
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:48,120
Speaker 1: and I did their homework and believed that Daniel Jones.

518
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 1: There were no votes pick at that pig. There were

519
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 1: there were no dissenting votes when they all presented their

520
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:58,359
Speaker 1: cases and they all said, yeah, we really liked this kid,

521
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:00,919
Speaker 1: and and gentlemen said, oh, that's what we're gonna do,

522
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 1: and everybody was on board with it. Nobody objected, Okay, great,

523
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 1: thank you um A Redskins just for coming on the Redskins.

524
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:14,480
Speaker 1: They're gonna lose a lot of games, but they're gonna

525
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:17,960
Speaker 1: be close and low scoring. That that's Front seven. It's

526
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:21,160
Speaker 1: had a really good defense. Yeah, I'm with you. I mean,

527
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:24,280
Speaker 1: that's that's really a formidable front seven. Um, you know

528
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 1: what's gonna give them problems? Then hold on a second,

529
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:30,439
Speaker 1: Then hold on, hold on, hold on. You know what?

530
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 1: You know one's gonna give the Redskins problems? And I

531
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 1: know you're down there, so you get an opportunity to

532
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,879
Speaker 1: see their exhibition games and probably read some of the

533
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 1: stories and stuff. What's going to give them problems? If

534
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 1: they can't effectively move the bowl on offense, the field

535
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 1: is going to be tilted against that defense on a

536
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 1: regular basis, and that's going to give them a lot

537
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 1: more difficulty because they're gonna gas that defense out, and

538
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 1: especially if they're in a situation whereas we've seen, when

539
00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 1: your offense can't hold on to a fourth quarter lead,

540
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:02,719
Speaker 1: eat and hold time of possession, you're putting your defense

541
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 1: in position of fail. And and I'll be honest that

542
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 1: I think the Redskins easily have the least talented ninety

543
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 1: man roster in the division. I don't think there's any

544
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 1: question about it. Yeah, and they may they may be

545
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 1: thirty two at wide receiver, they're they're weak. Yeah, I

546
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 1: see them losing, you know, if you can. If you

547
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 1: can kick four field goals and score a touchdown, um

548
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 1: you can. You can beat the Ridskins. I don't think

549
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 1: that they can score twenty points. But but that defense,

550
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 1: you know, you're gonna have to move the ball a

551
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 1: little bit because you've got to be able to get

552
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 1: the field goals and you know, and come away with

553
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 1: a touchdown. But um, you know, let me ask you

554
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 1: a question directly here, because I think Paul Paul spoke

555
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 1: to this a little bit before. UMU, a local, well

556
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 1: a well known national sports magazine came up with their

557
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:59,480
Speaker 1: pro football issue and they had the Giants at four

558
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 1: and twelve, second worst, second worst record in the NFL.

559
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 1: Um My annuals, the one that I buy at the

560
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 1: beginning of the season so I can read up on

561
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 1: all the teams and so forth, has him at nine

562
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 1: and seven. Who's Who's Who's closer? Lance? What do you think? Well?

563
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 1: I mean, I know what I heard Paul at the

564
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 1: beginning of the show, But what do you think well?

565
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 1: I've said this time and time again to me, the

566
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 1: defense is going to define this team, and how well

567
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 1: the defense performs is going to really give us an

568
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 1: indication of are they a team that is closer to

569
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 1: nine and seven or are they going to maybe hover

570
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:39,560
Speaker 1: around you know, that six win total. And until I

571
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 1: see this defense on the field, it's hard for me

572
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 1: to give you a firm answer they're closer to nine

573
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 1: and seven versus that closer to four and twelve. But

574
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 1: once I see the first quarter of the season, I

575
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 1: think I'll have a better idea of what the defense

576
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 1: has offered. All Right, I appreciate that I was gonna

577
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 1: pin you down, but I that's that's pretty logical thinking

578
00:30:56,480 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 1: lance that will will know by October one. Yeah, I

579
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 1: must have an and I have an idea which you know,

580
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 1: really which which way it's going to go? Um, let

581
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 1: me let me ask you a question of a couple

582
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:12,960
Speaker 1: of questions on this designating of two players coming off

583
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 1: injured reserve? Um, can you designate those eight player at

584
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 1: any time in the scene in other words of somebody,

585
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:22,719
Speaker 1: you don't have to do that, you do not know,

586
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 1: you do not have to do that week. You can

587
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 1: announce it in November that you're bringing this guy back. Yeah.

588
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 1: They eliminated that rule where it has to be done

589
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 1: at the beginning of the season. So if you want

590
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 1: to wait and see how a guy performs in his rehab.

591
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 1: That The only thing is, remember, you gotta wait a

592
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 1: certain amount of weeks until you can actually bring a

593
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 1: guy back on. Like, you can't put a guy on

594
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 1: I R after the fifty three and then bring him

595
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 1: back in week two. He's got to sit out. Okay,

596
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 1: I wanted to make a six weeks. I think it

597
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 1: maybe I think it was a I think it's about

598
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 1: eight weeks. But the other stipulation is that you can't

599
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 1: do this with a player who was I R before

600
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 1: your final fifty three. Yeah, he's got to be three.

601
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 1: And but then you can make the move with him. Okay, Yeah,

602
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 1: here we go, Len before before you talk, I got

603
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 1: it right here. Players must remain on i R for

604
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 1: eight weeks before being able to rejoin the teams in

605
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 1: week nine via the I R designation. Yeah okay, alright,

606
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 1: very good. Um, you know one of the players, uh Paul,

607
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 1: you may be talking about that, you know we're sitting

608
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 1: there at fifty five. Who a lot of other teams

609
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 1: might really be interested in is Big George. You know

610
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 1: the tackle from Kentucky h nursing. If I can use

611
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 1: that word, you know that that concussion, which which must

612
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 1: be pretty you know, must must be pretty bad. Um,

613
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 1: what what are we gonna do with George? He's I

614
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 1: R for me, Lanna, I don't have him even on

615
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 1: that fifty four. Uh, you know he's not in that

616
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 1: bullpark for me. He's to me, it's an easy decision.

617
00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 1: He's I R. He read shirts for the season. You

618
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 1: think that's what they're gonna do, Paul, That would be

619
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 1: my suspicion right now. I mean, he's hardly had any

620
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 1: work during the preseason, you know, and he's still in

621
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 1: the protocol. You can't even practice right now. He's in protocol.

622
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 1: He can't practice. How can you even think about him

623
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 1: being able to contribute this year? Well, the only reason

624
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 1: I was thinking about it, of course they haven't done

625
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 1: it yet. Well, there's no poin I mean, if it's

626
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 1: if it's so obvious that this is the situation where

627
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 1: he's in, is there something where there's a benefit to

628
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:34,960
Speaker 1: the Giants to to waiting until Saturday to put him

629
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 1: on I R. Then I mean why not today? Why

630
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 1: not last Monday? Because the only reason you would do

631
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 1: it now is if you felt you needed that spot

632
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 1: immediately to grab somebody who's on the street. Okay, and

633
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 1: and and I'll be honest with your land, if you

634
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 1: looked at the tackles who are on the street right now,

635
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 1: you wouldn't You would not want to talk to them either. Well, yeah,

636
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 1: it's mainly a lost spot opening. I mean that would

637
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 1: be okay. Yeah, you know, Um, training can't went fast,

638
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 1: and um, you know it's almost here. I'm you know,

639
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Speaker 1: I guess I'm looking forward to the Patriots scam. I'm

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Speaker 1: really you know, I'm really kind of looking forward to

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Speaker 1: Saturday and having them, um, you know, having to make

642
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Speaker 1: these decisions and we see what the first fifty three

643
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Speaker 1: looks like. Um, you know, as a fan, I can't

644
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Speaker 1: go below eight wins. I just I just can't say it.

645
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Speaker 1: I can't say a number. You don't. You don't have to.

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Speaker 1: You know, my minimum was as a fan is always

647
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Speaker 1: eight wins. But I think that's logical, and you don't

648
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Speaker 1: want to. If it's seven, it shows me some progress.

649
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Speaker 1: But I want to go on record now. If it's

650
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Speaker 1: only six, man, I'm going to be disappointed. I don't

651
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Speaker 1: care how good they look, and I don't care who's

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Speaker 1: playing quarterback. If they come out of this with only six.

653
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Speaker 1: I'm I'm just I'm really going to be disappointed. I

654
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:56,360
Speaker 1: think the schedule is favorable, I think the roster is favorable.

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Speaker 1: You know, you know, I think it's time for you know,

656
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Speaker 1: make a significant, you know, significant move. All right, thanks, Remember,

657
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 1: you know, you're not just playing against the NFC East.

658
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 1: You're playing against other divisions which are also looking to

659
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:17,440
Speaker 1: get to the playoffs and improve. You can't look at

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00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:20,920
Speaker 1: the Giants based on the NFC East. And there have

661
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 1: been years, by the way, where a team has gone

662
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 1: five and one in the division, the Cowboys. I was

663
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:29,840
Speaker 1: looking this up. Okay, the year that Zeke was suspended,

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Speaker 1: Paul in two thousand seventeen, Dallas was five and one

665
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Speaker 1: in the division. They still did not make the playoffs

666
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Speaker 1: because they only won four games outside of the division. So,

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Speaker 1: you know, as opposed to just assessing what you think

668
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 1: the Giants look compared to the Eagles, the Cowboys, and

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Speaker 1: the Redskins, they also need to tackle a number of

670
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Speaker 1: other challenging teams, such as the NFC North, which is

671
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,399
Speaker 1: one of the deepest divisions. I would argue in the NFL. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but they also played the a f C East, correct,

673
00:35:55,600 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 1: but doesn't mean, here, I will say, all right, if

674
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Speaker 1: the Giants finished nine and seven and don't make the playoffs,

675
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:07,279
Speaker 1: there's the obvious hurt over not getting in. But if

676
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 1: they're nine and seven after what's happened the last two years,

677
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 1: the arrow is pointing up, and I think most people

678
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 1: would define that as a successful season. Absolutely. But the

679
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:20,880
Speaker 1: one thing I will say about the NFL, it is

680
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 1: such an up and down league that it's hard to

681
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 1: maintain consistency or know that the way you leave off

682
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:31,759
Speaker 1: one season, Paul, is going to be an indication of

683
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Speaker 1: how the next season starts. Because true, you can't control inters.

684
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 1: True you have no idea how injuries are gonna play out.

685
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Speaker 1: I mean, you look at the Atlanta Falcons for example, Paul.

686
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 1: Last year Atlanta was a team on paper, I would argue,

687
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 1: they look good, and then what happens in Week one?

688
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 1: They lose two safeties and then they start losing. So

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Speaker 1: I'm not trying to be a debut down. This is

690
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Speaker 1: just the realistic viewpoint of life in the NFL. That's right.

691
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Speaker 1: When you win, you really have to appreciate it because

692
00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:59,319
Speaker 1: you never know what's going to happen. Again, that's very

693
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 1: well said, very well said. And it's also to me

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Speaker 1: another indication of you know, I hesitate when Lenn throws

695
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 1: out you know the arrow is pointing up. Or if

696
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Speaker 1: they get to eight wins, it would be an indication.

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00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 1: That doesn't mean you're getting to tend the following year.

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00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 1: It doesn't NFL doesn't work. No, No, A and B

699
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 1: does not necessarily equal see exactly. But you can say

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Speaker 1: that this roster I think it's it's quite clear this

701
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:22,959
Speaker 1: roster is better than it's been the last two cis.

702
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:24,879
Speaker 1: I don't think that's crazy at all. That's I mean,

703
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 1: that's just a fact. And there's more familiarity on the Again,

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Speaker 1: how many wins will that equate to we don't know

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00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 1: for sure, but it's a better team that I can

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Speaker 1: say with certainty. Let's add back to the phone lines

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Speaker 1: as we move forward here on Big Blue Kickoff Live.

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Speaker 1: Ray is in New Jersey. Ray, welcome to the program.

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Speaker 1: What do you have for us? Ray? Going once? Ray

710
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 1: going twice? Ray is a man of very few words

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00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,840
Speaker 1: on this Monday afternoon. Let's see if Jeff in Rhode

712
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 1: Island a little bit more talkative than Ray. How are

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Speaker 1: we doing Jeff fell Is? My question is how good

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Speaker 1: is the snail salad? Snail salad? I hope it's real galacky.

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Speaker 1: There you go, there we go. Okay, but Paul, I,

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Speaker 1: I gotta you know, a comment, and then I have

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00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 1: a question. But uh, I can't agree with you, uh

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Speaker 1: with your assumption at the Giants are gonna be in

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Speaker 1: the playoffs. Oh, I didn't say that. I said they

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Speaker 1: will be playing meaningful games in December. I didn't. I

721
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Speaker 1: didn't assume any playoff position. I just said they'll be

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Speaker 1: playing meaningful games. And I bet you that Washington game

723
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Speaker 1: means a lot. Okay, I well, it sounded like you

724
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Speaker 1: know you were thinking that that means me and in

725
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Speaker 1: the playoffs. Say that didn't say that, but but but

726
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:50,279
Speaker 1: but I've I've inched closer to that line in time.

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Speaker 1: You're pretty close. Though. The reason I'm excited about the

728
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 1: snail this is how I see the Giants. Okay, I

729
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:01,919
Speaker 1: think that think the offense is gonna be pretty good

730
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 1: this year. I think the offense will be okay. But

731
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Speaker 1: in my mind, I think Dave Gentleman has had two

732
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:12,359
Speaker 1: pretty good drafts in a row. I don't think that

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Speaker 1: enough quality talent has been added onto the defensive side

734
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Speaker 1: of the football team, and unless they hold up their

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00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 1: into the bogging the Giants, I'm gonna get a sniff

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Speaker 1: of the playoffs. What's your what's your biggest concern, Jeff?

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Speaker 1: On the defensive side of the ball, where I'm just

738
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Speaker 1: wondering where the playmakers are gonna Who are the playmakers?

739
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 1: I can on? You know, I can only you guys

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Speaker 1: see the practices. I don't. So obviously you know more

741
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 1: about the players and see more than I do. I

742
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 1: can only go by what I've seen in the preseason games.

743
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Speaker 1: And you know, I tried to read everything I can

744
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Speaker 1: possibly get on the Giants. But of course pressure in

745
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 1: the quarterback has been the big, big, big, big problem

746
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Speaker 1: with this team, you know, and so has uh. I'm

747
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 1: freckly uh stopping the running game of opposing teams. Last

748
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:06,799
Speaker 1: year we didn't do two very well? There can I

749
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Speaker 1: get you to a manager's statement just a little bit

750
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Speaker 1: before you go any further. I do think the Giants

751
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 1: need to add another off season load of talent to

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00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 1: be a bona fide, legitimate Hey, this team's going to

753
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:24,839
Speaker 1: the playoffs and they can contend. I absolutely agree with you.

754
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 1: If that's the litmus test that you're trying to meet.

755
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 1: I would say right now they have added a significant

756
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Speaker 1: amount of talent, talent that could tickle the playoffs. My

757
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 1: question isn't about as the the amount of talent that

758
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:42,359
Speaker 1: they have on defense. It's about the inexperience and the

759
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:45,759
Speaker 1: newness and the mixture of players that they have on

760
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 1: d and that could lead to problems with cohesiveness. But

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Speaker 1: as far as raw talent, my goodness, if you've been

762
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:55,560
Speaker 1: out here every day watching training camp, you could see

763
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Speaker 1: there's a lot of talent out here. Well, like I

764
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Speaker 1: said that, I haven't been to any of the practices

765
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:04,239
Speaker 1: and you guys, you see them all the time. I

766
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:06,399
Speaker 1: do think I agree with you that I think Dave

767
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 1: Gelman has to have another another grade A draft in

768
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:14,399
Speaker 1: two thousand and twenty two make this team a little

769
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:17,840
Speaker 1: bit more legit, no question, no question. But I'm still

770
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:20,279
Speaker 1: I'm still not I hope I'm wrong, but I'm still

771
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:22,360
Speaker 1: not seeing it on a defense. And we got to

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Speaker 1: who the playmakers are gonna be. And that's just how

773
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Speaker 1: I feel about to me, the whole season hinges hinges

774
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 1: on the play of the defense, not so much on

775
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 1: the offense. Well, you're you're in. You're in the show

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Speaker 1: me department, and there's nothing wrong with that. There's nothing

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00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:39,319
Speaker 1: wrong with that. Yeah, Well, because there's a lot of

778
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 1: young players and with youth comes unproven commodities, because you

779
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 1: just don't know what they're gonna bring to the table.

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Speaker 1: And I agree with you, Jeff, I mean I said

781
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 1: that a few minutes before you called up. I said

782
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:50,839
Speaker 1: the defense is going to define the season. And as

783
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 1: far as the pass rush is concerned, thirty sacks last season,

784
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:56,799
Speaker 1: Olivier Vernon led the team with seven. He's no longer here,

785
00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 1: and other than Marcus Golden, you have nobody on the

786
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 1: team that has double digit sacks in their career, forget

787
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 1: a single season. So I'm with you. There's a lot

788
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 1: of question marks hovering over that facet of the team,

789
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 1: which is why I want to see the first quarter

790
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 1: of the season to see maybe somebody surprises and maybe

791
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 1: one of these young guys is gonna step up, such

792
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:20,880
Speaker 1: as O'Shane Ziminez, who's looked good at times in the preseason.

793
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 1: You know, maybe he's a guy that makes an unbelievable

794
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 1: transition and that helps fill the void that they need.

795
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I believe me. I've been following the Giants.

796
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 1: I've been a loyal fan for fifty years, so I

797
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:33,719
Speaker 1: want to see him do well over He is no

798
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:37,360
Speaker 1: no doubt about that. But we'll see how it plays out. Guys.

799
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Speaker 1: I just hope the defense can get in there and

800
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 1: hold up this side of the boggain. That's that's what

801
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 1: I'm hoping. So I gotta I appreciate you got it.

802
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 1: And I don't think that's a crazy statement at all. No.

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Speaker 1: We we have said on this program multiple times that

804
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 1: the pass us right now is the biggest unproven question

805
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 1: mark that needs to be answered. And that's a pretty

806
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:05,239
Speaker 1: big one. It's been something that I've talked about the

807
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:08,400
Speaker 1: entire offseason. And then you just hope, Okay, if the

808
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:12,239
Speaker 1: pass rush doesn't pick up immensely, okay, how does the

809
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:15,239
Speaker 1: secondary then respond? And the secondary has a lot of

810
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:18,320
Speaker 1: young guys outside of Genora's Jenkins. But the good news

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Speaker 1: is Antoine Bethet is an extremely experienced safety, and Jabrill Peppers,

812
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:24,400
Speaker 1: even though he's new to the Giants, he's not a rookie,

813
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:27,400
Speaker 1: so you at least have the experience it's safety to

814
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:30,759
Speaker 1: make up for or balance the inexperience you have a

815
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Speaker 1: corner if you want to look at it through that lens.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's head back to the phone lines. Let's

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Speaker 1: go to Louis on Staten Island. Louis, Welcome to Big

818
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:40,319
Speaker 1: Blue Kickoff Live. What do you have for us? Hey?

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Speaker 1: What's happening guys? Hi? Dude? Right, Louis, touch on the

820
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 1: roster a little bit. What you guys think about a

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00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:53,320
Speaker 1: couple of guys making the team? Um number one? Uh Lettter?

822
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 1: You guys have to think he's going to make the

823
00:43:56,239 --> 00:44:00,880
Speaker 1: team of be a practice squad kind of date. I

824
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:04,920
Speaker 1: think it's an interesting conversation Paul that quarterback position, because

825
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 1: you know, the more and more. I also look at

826
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:10,280
Speaker 1: what Daniel Jones has done. Does that convince Pat Shermer

827
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Speaker 1: that he's confident and maybe going without a veteran backup

828
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 1: or an experience backup? Because I am coming around to

829
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:20,720
Speaker 1: the idea that maybe they only keep two guys. I

830
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:22,959
Speaker 1: I don't think three in the lock even. I think

831
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Speaker 1: two is a verb real possibility. And then if you're

832
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Speaker 1: going to keep a practice squad guy, will it's going

833
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Speaker 1: to have to be Loletta. I don't ineligible at this point,

834
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Speaker 1: so you know, so The question really isn't about the

835
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Speaker 1: you keep Tanny or Loletta. The question is if you're

836
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Speaker 1: going to go two plus one, it's got to be Tanny.

837
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Speaker 1: If you're just gonna keep three on the fifty three, well,

838
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Speaker 1: now you can ask if you would prefer Tanny or Loletta,

839
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Speaker 1: but you have to answer the first question before you

840
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 1: answer the second one. Right, But my other one was

841
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 1: the tight end um. I think there should be a

842
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:01,799
Speaker 1: spot for him on it, even over Simons. And I

843
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 1: know the coach's staff love Simonson, but I'm not that

844
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 1: big on him. I know he's a good blocker, but

845
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 1: it always seems to drop a pass to get deflected

846
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:15,440
Speaker 1: off his hands or a deception. And also Conrad, why

847
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:18,799
Speaker 1: are they hiding him? He hasn't played that much. I'm

848
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:20,799
Speaker 1: a Conrad guy, and I would put him on my

849
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 1: fifty three. Simonson had a very costly drop of a

850
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:26,759
Speaker 1: couple of minutes to go in Cincinnati last week where

851
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 1: he could have iced the game with the first down,

852
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 1: and David Deal and I talked about it in the

853
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:33,799
Speaker 1: radio booth. That is not something to coach Sherman wants

854
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 1: to see, and that would be a demerit, right, now

855
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:39,319
Speaker 1: on on his ledger, I would keep Conrad as as

856
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 1: the number three, and if I were to keep four,

857
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 1: I probably would go with Dickerson as number four. But

858
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 1: I'm not probably going to keep four on my fifty three.

859
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 1: I think I'm going to keep three. Well. Simonson also

860
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 1: had the costly drop against the Jets too, he did

861
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:58,719
Speaker 1: the first preseason game. I gotta run to take the MST.

862
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 1: What it's good to see. Absolutely, I'll finish out the show. Paul.

863
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:05,479
Speaker 1: Always a pleasure as usual. To answer your question, Louis

864
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:08,920
Speaker 1: with respect to the tight end situation, I'm with Paul.

865
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:11,760
Speaker 1: I think that there is room for four on this roster.

866
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 1: I do think Elijah Penny and what they think of

867
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 1: him may factor into that decision, because Penny can be

868
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 1: a tight end, fullbackslash running back of Jack of all trades.

869
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:23,239
Speaker 1: So maybe they keep three true tight ends and then

870
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 1: Penny becomes the fourth guy and he's still on the roster,

871
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:29,799
Speaker 1: he's just labeled under a different umbrella. I could see

872
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:33,360
Speaker 1: that happening. I think it depends on what the Giants

873
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:36,400
Speaker 1: want out of their depth chart. Do they want blocking,

874
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:39,359
Speaker 1: do they want receiving? That to me is what's going

875
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:42,280
Speaker 1: to determine who makes this roster because, as you mentioned,

876
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:44,919
Speaker 1: Simonson is still a solid blocker. Okay, he may have had,

877
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:46,920
Speaker 1: you know, some issues with the drop seeds during the

878
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:49,399
Speaker 1: course of the preseason, but that doesn't necessarily take away

879
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 1: what he brings to the table as a blocker. We

880
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 1: know what red Ellison could do. Red Ellison is a

881
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:56,359
Speaker 1: very good blocker and has shown the capability to run

882
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:58,920
Speaker 1: routes and be a receiver. Evan Ingram is not even

883
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 1: a question. We don't need to after him, and so

884
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 1: can Garrett Dickerson prove enough in the blocking department to

885
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 1: make them feel comfortable if they sub Dickerson with Simmons in,

886
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:11,360
Speaker 1: are they getting the same type of productivity? That's what

887
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 1: I think they need to ask themselves. Dickerson is also

888
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 1: eligible to go on the practice squad still, so do

889
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 1: they also ask themselves if we put dickers in through waivers,

890
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 1: is there a good chance we're gonna get him back

891
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:23,279
Speaker 1: on the practice squad. I think how they answer those

892
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 1: questions is gonna ultimately determine who gets that third or

893
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:32,759
Speaker 1: slash fourth spot. A tight end, right, And lastly, I

894
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:34,279
Speaker 1: don't want to take up too much of your time,

895
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:40,359
Speaker 1: but they have to cut Nate Stupa. I can't watch

896
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 1: him play defense anymore, and I don't think he's that

897
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:47,359
Speaker 1: great at special team player to be kept around. I'd

898
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 1: rather see the kid from you Tech that they spent

899
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 1: a lot of money on as a free agent make

900
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:58,239
Speaker 1: the team or Texas San Antonio, whatever school he is um,

901
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:02,399
Speaker 1: then somebody like stup I've had enough watching that guy. Well,

902
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:04,719
Speaker 1: I would argue Stupar has been very active during the

903
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 1: preseason Louis, so, I mean, I'm not exactly sure what

904
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:10,759
Speaker 1: you're down on him for. I think that he's a

905
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 1: veteran who does bring some versatility to the table for

906
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:17,239
Speaker 1: what he showcased, at least in the preseason thus far.

907
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:20,440
Speaker 1: And I mean, I think if they're going to go

908
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 1: in the direction of getting rid of Stupar, then to me,

909
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 1: it would be more of a reason of their content

910
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:29,799
Speaker 1: with Ryan Connolly, Tay Davis and B. J. Goodson bring

911
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:32,319
Speaker 1: to the table more so than maybe, you know, one

912
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 1: of the unknown commodities that you're talking about. Did you

913
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:39,120
Speaker 1: see how many tackles he missed in the in the

914
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:41,880
Speaker 1: Bengals game and last year and they put him in

915
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 1: I don't know if I think was maybe against Chicago,

916
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:50,600
Speaker 1: he's can't make any tackles, he's like too slow in space. Well, listen,

917
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 1: I've seen Ryan Connolly missed a guy in the backfield

918
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:55,920
Speaker 1: too in the preseason. So I would say there's a

919
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:59,279
Speaker 1: number of linebackers who have missed opportunities across the board

920
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:02,240
Speaker 1: during the prese And I wouldn't necessarily put Nate Stupar

921
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 1: on an island all by himself, because if you really

922
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:06,440
Speaker 1: ask me, I go through all the guys and I

923
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:08,239
Speaker 1: could say there was at least one moment or two

924
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:11,240
Speaker 1: in every preseason game where somebody wasn't in the right position,

925
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:13,839
Speaker 1: or somebody didn't necessarily wrap a guy and bring him down.

926
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:16,279
Speaker 1: And appreciate the phone call, Louis, thanks so much for

927
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:20,440
Speaker 1: weighing in here on the program. Uh, the linebacker position,

928
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 1: it's going to be interesting with respect to the numbers

929
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:27,760
Speaker 1: game on the edge rushers versus the interior guys, because

930
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:29,440
Speaker 1: you know, when you look at some of the guys

931
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:31,520
Speaker 1: on the edge, you know, do they want to keep

932
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 1: a fifth or a six guy with respect to the

933
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:37,600
Speaker 1: edge because of maybe some of the unproven commodities at linebacker.

934
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:40,640
Speaker 1: You know that to me, is also a part of

935
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:42,719
Speaker 1: what I'm sure they're going to be discussing. And then

936
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 1: maybe they limit how many interior guys they keep anyway,

937
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 1: because maybe they put the third safety on the field

938
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:52,360
Speaker 1: like Michael Thomas a little bit more often, and maybe

939
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:54,759
Speaker 1: they put an extra defensive lineman on the field, and

940
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:57,360
Speaker 1: they don't feel as if they're gonna utilize three linebackers

941
00:49:57,360 --> 00:50:00,440
Speaker 1: more often than not. Don't overlook that, to me, is

942
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:02,960
Speaker 1: a big part of the dialogue when you're evaluating the

943
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:06,400
Speaker 1: linebacker position. Let's head back to the line. Scott is

944
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:08,719
Speaker 1: in New Mexico. Scott, welcome the Big Blue Kickoff Live.

945
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:10,719
Speaker 1: What do you have for us? Hi? Right? And so

946
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 1: you're doing today? I want to have to politely disagree

947
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:17,319
Speaker 1: with you and with a number of the calls in

948
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:21,640
Speaker 1: regards to the defense defining the Giant season, I think

949
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:24,040
Speaker 1: the opposite is going to be true. I think the

950
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 1: offense is going to define the Giant season. I have

951
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 1: a couple of reasons why. If you go back to

952
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:32,840
Speaker 1: last year and you look at, for example, Kansas City,

953
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:36,879
Speaker 1: even though they had fifty two sacks, I believe they

954
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:40,480
Speaker 1: were the thirty first worst defense in the league. So

955
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:43,480
Speaker 1: their offense really carried them. The same thing could be

956
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:45,680
Speaker 1: true with New England because New England didn't have a

957
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 1: great pass rush. I think they only had thirty sacks,

958
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:55,120
Speaker 1: but they had a phenomenal UH back back and defensive

959
00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:57,759
Speaker 1: backfield and that sort of got them to the Super

960
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 1: Bowl and actually won the Super Bowl. So I think

961
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:03,080
Speaker 1: if you look at the Giants, the Giants have the

962
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:06,640
Speaker 1: transit UH. They have the quintessential player in Barkley, who

963
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:10,520
Speaker 1: averaged five yards to carry. He had nine I believe

964
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:14,080
Speaker 1: it's nine plays over forty yards and only Chris Johnson

965
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:16,760
Speaker 1: and I think Barry Sanders had more in one season

966
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:19,400
Speaker 1: than he did. And I realized the defenses are going

967
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:21,279
Speaker 1: to be prepared for Mahomes and they're going to be

968
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:23,759
Speaker 1: prepared for Barkley to do it a little differently. But

969
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:26,440
Speaker 1: if you have a diverse offense that carries you a

970
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:30,240
Speaker 1: lot further I think than just you know, a good defense.

971
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:32,400
Speaker 1: I'm not negating a good defense, obviously you want to

972
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 1: have that, but today in today's NFL, it's really the

973
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:38,279
Speaker 1: offense that can dominate. So I was wondering what you

974
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:41,280
Speaker 1: thought of that, and do you think I'm off base?

975
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:43,680
Speaker 1: But by stating something like that, well, you need to

976
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:46,319
Speaker 1: be able to score points in the NFL. I don't

977
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:49,400
Speaker 1: disagree with your point, but in fairness, In fairness, Scott,

978
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:52,040
Speaker 1: if you look at the last few games of the

979
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:54,480
Speaker 1: Giant season last year, they were scoring points and they

980
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:58,080
Speaker 1: still weren't running. For example, in Indianapolis, they scored twenties

981
00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:00,200
Speaker 1: seven points. They didn't win that game. Against dall Less,

982
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:02,319
Speaker 1: they scored thirty five and the Cowboys, by the way,

983
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:04,200
Speaker 1: had absolutely nothing to play for in that game, and

984
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:06,520
Speaker 1: they still didn't win the game. So I guess what

985
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 1: I'm pointing at is I don't disagree with your assessment.

986
00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:12,080
Speaker 1: You're right. If you have an explosive offense, you can

987
00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 1: get away and cover up deficiencies on defense, which Kansas

988
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:18,319
Speaker 1: City did, which even the Pittsburgh Steelers did because the

989
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:20,520
Speaker 1: Steelers also had fifty two sacks. But at the end

990
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:22,640
Speaker 1: of the day, when it comes down to late in

991
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:25,480
Speaker 1: the season, and your offense may not be putting up

992
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:28,359
Speaker 1: thirty a game, or the sacks may not be piling up,

993
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:32,759
Speaker 1: you have to be able to get fundamental stops on

994
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:34,680
Speaker 1: the defensive side of the ball. And if you don't

995
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:37,640
Speaker 1: do that, you're gonna put yourself in a very precarious situation.

996
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:40,080
Speaker 1: Offense can get you to the playoffs, but defense win

997
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:43,440
Speaker 1: your championships. There you go. Yes, I just avoided in

998
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:45,719
Speaker 1: terms of my answer, did you have everything you got? Paul?

999
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:46,960
Speaker 1: You're sure you don't want to stop by a few

1000
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:51,480
Speaker 1: more times? Go ahead, Scott, I'm listening. Yeah, So I

1001
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:55,320
Speaker 1: just wanted to get a comment. I appreciate the retort,

1002
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:57,160
Speaker 1: but I wanted to get a comment of what you

1003
00:52:57,239 --> 00:53:00,239
Speaker 1: thought about the situation. Not related to the Giant, but

1004
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:04,680
Speaker 1: with the retirement of Andrew Luck. A lot of players

1005
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:08,960
Speaker 1: always are going for the big moneys all the time,

1006
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:12,319
Speaker 1: and there's been a lot of obvious negativity with that.

1007
00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:17,240
Speaker 1: But but is he sort of an example of why

1008
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:20,000
Speaker 1: you go for the big money because your career is

1009
00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:22,560
Speaker 1: so short And obviously he's walking away, I think from

1010
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:24,960
Speaker 1: fifty eight million dollars, even though he's gonna get a

1011
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:27,400
Speaker 1: signing bonus of some sort, so he's not going to

1012
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:30,000
Speaker 1: be suffering. But is this there, is this a great

1013
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:32,840
Speaker 1: example to show why players do what they do? And

1014
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:36,200
Speaker 1: I'll think your answers off there. I've got call. Well,

1015
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:38,720
Speaker 1: I think that's part of the rational why certain players

1016
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:42,440
Speaker 1: hold out because it's non guaranteed contracts in the NFL,

1017
00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:45,800
Speaker 1: specifically running backs in particular, they know their shelf life

1018
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:49,239
Speaker 1: is rather small compared to other players, so they want

1019
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:51,400
Speaker 1: to be able to cash in early in their careers

1020
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:53,640
Speaker 1: when they're in their prime. I think that's at least

1021
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:56,720
Speaker 1: maybe when the running back is coming from. But andrew

1022
00:53:56,800 --> 00:54:01,120
Speaker 1: Lux situation is unique because quarterbacks get paid guardless. I mean,

1023
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:04,880
Speaker 1: look at the amount of money that quarterbacks get compared

1024
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:07,359
Speaker 1: to the rest of the salary cap, and also how

1025
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:10,120
Speaker 1: contracts continue to go up because the salary cap goes up.

1026
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:14,360
Speaker 1: So this to me is not necessarily a statement for

1027
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:17,880
Speaker 1: why other players hold out and why they go for

1028
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:21,440
Speaker 1: as much guaranteed money as possible earlier in their careers

1029
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:24,960
Speaker 1: because they know they're not making as much as quarterbacks

1030
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:28,800
Speaker 1: due to begin with, I think if there's any commentary

1031
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:31,799
Speaker 1: on what happened with respect to Andrew Luck, it's the

1032
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:34,680
Speaker 1: fact that you had a unique scenario where a guy

1033
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:37,800
Speaker 1: just piled up injuries and mentally and physically he was

1034
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:40,719
Speaker 1: getting worn down, and he decided that there's more to

1035
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:43,600
Speaker 1: life than football. And I think that's the important lesson

1036
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:47,319
Speaker 1: to be learned from Andrew lux retirement, and maybe it

1037
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:49,520
Speaker 1: gives the fans an inkling that when we look at

1038
00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:51,960
Speaker 1: these athletes and we put them under the microscope and

1039
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:55,120
Speaker 1: we examine them from every angle, and we examine what

1040
00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:57,759
Speaker 1: they do in press conferences, they're human beings at the

1041
00:54:57,840 --> 00:55:02,080
Speaker 1: end of the day, and they sometimes can't act like

1042
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:06,160
Speaker 1: Superman and Batman and overcome sometimes the basic injuries because

1043
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:08,160
Speaker 1: of what it's done to their personal lives or what

1044
00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:10,839
Speaker 1: it's done to their mental lives. So I think that,

1045
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:13,120
Speaker 1: to me, is the biggest takeaway from what happened with

1046
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:16,000
Speaker 1: Andrew Luck. I don't think it necessarily says anything commentary

1047
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:18,840
Speaker 1: wise on You're gonna see players now be more aggressive

1048
00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 1: in trying to get their money. They're always been aggressive

1049
00:55:21,239 --> 00:55:24,799
Speaker 1: because they understand their non guaranteed contracts, but quarterbacks in

1050
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:27,719
Speaker 1: particular always eat up most of the cap space. And

1051
00:55:27,719 --> 00:55:31,080
Speaker 1: and Andrew Luck, I don't think it was a financial situation.

1052
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:33,680
Speaker 1: This was just more of he understands there's more to

1053
00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:36,640
Speaker 1: life beyond football. He has pursuits that he wants to

1054
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:39,560
Speaker 1: go after, and he's content with that, and more power

1055
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:42,000
Speaker 1: to him. It's a personal choice, and who is anybody

1056
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:43,880
Speaker 1: else to tell him what he should do with the

1057
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:47,120
Speaker 1: rest of his life. Two zero one five one three

1058
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:49,920
Speaker 1: is the telephone number Charlie and Portland's Maine likes to

1059
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:51,560
Speaker 1: tell other people what to do with their lives. So

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Speaker 1: I know what when any one year goes out the other.

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Speaker 1: With respect to what I just said, what's happened to

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00:55:55,960 --> 00:56:01,400
Speaker 1: Charlie Mano a Mano or Paul Back? No, Paul is gone.

1063
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:06,399
Speaker 1: So I'm more than contempt with handling myself in this conversation. Yes, hey,

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00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:10,440
Speaker 1: I I look Shermer loves quarterbacks. He's not going to

1065
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:13,160
Speaker 1: keep two. He's gonna keep three. In fact, he said

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00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:15,359
Speaker 1: it keep four if he could. He did. He send

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00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:18,600
Speaker 1: that on multiple occasions. But that's also sometimes wishful thinking

1068
00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:21,040
Speaker 1: that he prefaced his comments with he said he's a

1069
00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:23,920
Speaker 1: quarterback guy and he likes quarterbacks. That doesn't mean that

1070
00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:27,279
Speaker 1: realistically his wish is going to come true. Yeah, But

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00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:31,560
Speaker 1: the thing is is Lozetta Londetta would not be he

1072
00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:33,960
Speaker 1: would somebody would take him. He wouldn't be He wouldn't

1073
00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:35,839
Speaker 1: be able to get back on the practice. I think

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00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:37,920
Speaker 1: you know that for a fact. I think it's possible.

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00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:41,400
Speaker 1: I know the Patriots really liked him. Uh when they

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00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:44,640
Speaker 1: when we drafted him. Okay, that does that mean? Does

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00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:47,120
Speaker 1: that mean that just because players were like coming out

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00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:49,680
Speaker 1: of the draft, that they are all of a sudden

1079
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:53,160
Speaker 1: overwhelmingly like still after a year in the NFL? Plus,

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00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:55,200
Speaker 1: you also need to take the consideration who's on those

1081
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:57,960
Speaker 1: current rosters for those teams that you're claiming really liked him.

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00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:00,720
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of unknown to just assume

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00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:02,680
Speaker 1: that if the Giants put a guy through waivers, he's

1084
00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:06,640
Speaker 1: automatically not coming back to the practice squad. Well, I'm

1085
00:57:06,719 --> 00:57:08,840
Speaker 1: just saying I don't think he would. I think he'd

1086
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:10,880
Speaker 1: be taken. And I don't think Sherman is going to

1087
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:14,359
Speaker 1: just have two quarterbacks. He will, he'll he'll have. It's

1088
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:16,440
Speaker 1: just gonna be whether he wants. I don't think he

1089
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:20,720
Speaker 1: wants Tanny because look after all this stuff that you know, Mr.

1090
00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:23,960
Speaker 1: Hall of Famer and preseason Daniel Jones, after all this

1091
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:26,760
Speaker 1: hoopla about this guy, if he isn't the if he

1092
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:29,120
Speaker 1: isn't the backup quarterback, why do you then why do

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00:57:29,160 --> 00:57:31,240
Speaker 1: you need Tanny? For? You don't need him because he

1094
00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:34,840
Speaker 1: would be the third strength. So you take the younger guy,

1095
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:39,560
Speaker 1: and and he's had a good preseason Lindetta has, so

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00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:41,600
Speaker 1: there's no way Tanny is going to be on the team.

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00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:43,800
Speaker 1: And the other thing I just wanted to say is like,

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00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:46,560
Speaker 1: we gotta find some wide receivers and don't drop the ball.

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00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:48,960
Speaker 1: And I don't care if they're veterans. I don't care

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Speaker 1: if it's follow or lattim or if these guys can't

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00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:54,880
Speaker 1: hold onto the ball, then they should be cut because

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00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:58,080
Speaker 1: we don't need another year where Eli mannings. Why do

1103
00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:01,560
Speaker 1: receivers lead the league and draw passes that is not

1104
00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:04,040
Speaker 1: going to be helpful. Now that we finally have an

1105
00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:07,440
Speaker 1: offensive line that is decent and could be good, we

1106
00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:11,080
Speaker 1: don't need wide receivers in tight ends dropping the ball.

1107
00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:15,200
Speaker 1: So they better hold on to guys, even if they're rookies,

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00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:18,240
Speaker 1: who can actually hold onto the ball. Who who is

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00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:22,440
Speaker 1: consistently doing that? And That's what I'm looking for. I

1110
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:24,320
Speaker 1: know when the cuts come, I'm going to be really

1111
00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:26,800
Speaker 1: disappointed because I you know, I know they're going to

1112
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:30,080
Speaker 1: cut some guys that they should hold on to and

1113
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:33,000
Speaker 1: we'll just see what happens. Well, Like who are particularly though,

1114
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:36,240
Speaker 1: who are particularly so concerned about at the wide receiver position.

1115
00:58:37,640 --> 00:58:41,400
Speaker 1: Uh Aldam has been dropping passes. Fouler has been dropping passes.

1116
00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:45,080
Speaker 1: Uh Simonson's then dropping passes as a tight end, we

1117
00:58:45,120 --> 00:58:47,720
Speaker 1: can't hold on to Okay, But in fairness, Evan Ingram

1118
00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:50,360
Speaker 1: had his case of the drops these two and were

1119
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:53,120
Speaker 1: you then claiming for them to cut him immediately right

1120
00:58:53,120 --> 00:58:55,440
Speaker 1: in the spot? I mean, in fairness, guys drop passes.

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00:58:55,640 --> 00:58:57,520
Speaker 1: That doesn't mean that that's indicative of what's going to

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00:58:57,640 --> 00:59:00,640
Speaker 1: happen every single game or every single or what's going

1123
00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:03,160
Speaker 1: on in practice too, by the way, Yeah, well they

1124
00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:05,640
Speaker 1: have been dropping passes and practice, and they haven't been

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00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:08,320
Speaker 1: dropping him in the preseason games. I mean, Sherman has

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00:59:08,360 --> 00:59:10,600
Speaker 1: talked about it. We've been dropping too many passes. So

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00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:13,280
Speaker 1: what I'm trying to say is maybe you can, you know,

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00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:16,400
Speaker 1: one guy, maybe you can hang on to who's been

1129
00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:19,800
Speaker 1: dropping some passes, but you think it is more consistent

1130
00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:21,880
Speaker 1: than that. But you can't hold onto two or three

1131
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:25,000
Speaker 1: guys who have been dropping passes and letting younger guys

1132
00:59:25,120 --> 00:59:31,320
Speaker 1: like White, you know, like Slaton, like uh Leslie draft pick.

1133
00:59:31,360 --> 00:59:36,080
Speaker 1: It's unlikely they canna part ways. Well, I'm just saying

1134
00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:38,960
Speaker 1: we gotta have wide receivers who can go, of course,

1135
00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:41,120
Speaker 1: But but Charlie, Who in their right mind has a

1136
00:59:41,120 --> 00:59:43,600
Speaker 1: team and says I want wide receivers that dropped the football.

1137
00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:46,760
Speaker 1: The way the way you're talking is if the coaches

1138
00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:48,480
Speaker 1: there is looking at the rosters saying, yeah, let's keep

1139
00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:51,080
Speaker 1: everybody that's dropped the pass and let's hope that continues

1140
00:59:51,120 --> 00:59:53,439
Speaker 1: during the scene, Who in their right mind think that.

1141
00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:56,040
Speaker 1: I just some of the things you're saying. I'm trying

1142
00:59:56,040 --> 00:59:58,680
Speaker 1: to wrap my head around this. How does Shermer think

1143
00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:00,520
Speaker 1: like that? How does Shermer think that he wants to

1144
01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:03,560
Speaker 1: prioritize guys on the roster that drop passes. You tell

1145
01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:07,320
Speaker 1: me when he has said that he has he has

1146
01:00:07,400 --> 01:00:11,240
Speaker 1: said that he is looking at his veterans, the guys

1147
01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:15,640
Speaker 1: who have been on the team before, like Lattimore and Follower.

1148
01:00:16,080 --> 01:00:19,200
Speaker 1: But if those guys continue to drop passes, which they

1149
01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:21,920
Speaker 1: have been, I would not keep him on the team.

1150
01:00:21,960 --> 01:00:25,080
Speaker 1: I would take the younger guys like uh, you know,

1151
01:00:25,240 --> 01:00:28,840
Speaker 1: Lanzel Russell. He's been catching everything that's been thrown to him.

1152
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:31,200
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's even dropped the pass. You know,

1153
01:00:31,240 --> 01:00:33,600
Speaker 1: maybe in practice. I don't know. I haven't seen the practices.

1154
01:00:33,640 --> 01:00:36,640
Speaker 1: But there's a guy that can hold onto the ball.

1155
01:00:36,760 --> 01:00:39,840
Speaker 1: T J. Jones. I mean he all those guys are

1156
01:00:39,880 --> 01:00:41,880
Speaker 1: in the mix. I would argue for a roster spot

1157
01:00:41,960 --> 01:00:43,800
Speaker 1: right now. I don't think any of those two names

1158
01:00:43,880 --> 01:00:47,240
Speaker 1: you listed are completely out of the equation. They're still

1159
01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:51,280
Speaker 1: very much alive and they should be. But I'm saying

1160
01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:53,920
Speaker 1: I I think he's gone out and he wants to

1161
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:57,360
Speaker 1: keep the guys that were here last year in his system,

1162
01:00:57,400 --> 01:01:02,080
Speaker 1: like Lattimore, because the experience, because Charlie, experience matters. You're

1163
01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:04,840
Speaker 1: only looking at a wide receiver from one facet and fairness,

1164
01:01:06,080 --> 01:01:11,080
Speaker 1: comfort and familiarity with consisting drop. Yeah, but you're judging.

1165
01:01:11,160 --> 01:01:13,040
Speaker 1: What you're doing is let's let's face it. You saw

1166
01:01:13,040 --> 01:01:15,080
Speaker 1: the last preseason game, and you're right, Latimer had two

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Speaker 1: drops on that first drive, one of which was a

1168
01:01:17,640 --> 01:01:20,600
Speaker 1: potential touchdown. But that doesn't mean that Lattimer has been

1169
01:01:20,680 --> 01:01:23,240
Speaker 1: dropping those passes and those throws that have come his

1170
01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:25,960
Speaker 1: way all throughout camp though. So you've got to be

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01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:28,280
Speaker 1: careful where you watch one series and you say get

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Speaker 1: rid of a guy simply because you're annoyed that you

1173
01:01:30,240 --> 01:01:32,320
Speaker 1: need to catch a football pass. They're not judging a

1174
01:01:32,360 --> 01:01:35,040
Speaker 1: player based on one drive though. See that that's where

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01:01:35,080 --> 01:01:37,600
Speaker 1: I think you're missing that. That's what you said that.

1176
01:01:37,840 --> 01:01:40,320
Speaker 1: But but what I'm saying is I don't care if

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Speaker 1: he catches them all in practice. He needs to catch

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01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:45,360
Speaker 1: him in the games. So that's what's the most important thing,

1179
01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:48,520
Speaker 1: is catching him in the game non in practice. Of course,

1180
01:01:48,680 --> 01:01:50,520
Speaker 1: there's no doubt about that, and they're gonna take that

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01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:53,560
Speaker 1: into consideration and appreciate the phone call, Charlie. But I'm

1182
01:01:53,640 --> 01:01:57,520
Speaker 1: telling you that they're not dismissing the resume with respect

1183
01:01:57,560 --> 01:02:00,640
Speaker 1: to Fowler and Latimer and what they eve the team

1184
01:02:00,720 --> 01:02:04,120
Speaker 1: last year and the fact that they're also familiar with

1185
01:02:04,160 --> 01:02:06,600
Speaker 1: the system, as opposed to you're saying, well, this guy

1186
01:02:06,640 --> 01:02:08,760
Speaker 1: had one rough series or one rough drive in a

1187
01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:11,200
Speaker 1: preseason game, and now we have to get rid of him.

1188
01:02:11,320 --> 01:02:13,760
Speaker 1: And remember, Giants fans should know this more so than

1189
01:02:13,800 --> 01:02:16,600
Speaker 1: any other fan base. Do you remember Victor Cruz. Do

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01:02:16,640 --> 01:02:19,600
Speaker 1: you remember the struggles he had in his first NFL

1191
01:02:19,640 --> 01:02:22,720
Speaker 1: regular season game against the Redskins and how he was

1192
01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:26,000
Speaker 1: dropping passes and people were calling for getting rid of

1193
01:02:26,120 --> 01:02:28,400
Speaker 1: him and for them to part ways, and then what

1194
01:02:28,560 --> 01:02:31,520
Speaker 1: became a Victor Cruz. So that's the prime example of

1195
01:02:31,520 --> 01:02:33,760
Speaker 1: why I'm saying you don't judge. Any coach will tell

1196
01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:38,560
Speaker 1: you you don't overreact or underreact to anything in the

1197
01:02:38,640 --> 01:02:41,440
Speaker 1: National Football League. You gotta be even keel and you

1198
01:02:41,520 --> 01:02:43,440
Speaker 1: put it on the resume and you say, okay, this

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01:02:43,480 --> 01:02:46,640
Speaker 1: is another component of what happened. Does this bring the

1200
01:02:46,680 --> 01:02:48,680
Speaker 1: player down in grade wise? Does it bring it up?

1201
01:02:48,680 --> 01:02:51,040
Speaker 1: But you don't necessarily say that's it. I've seen enough,

1202
01:02:51,120 --> 01:02:53,240
Speaker 1: Let's get rid of him. No coach is gonna do that.

1203
01:02:53,560 --> 01:02:55,480
Speaker 1: And that's why, because then you're gonna get rid of

1204
01:02:55,560 --> 01:02:57,080
Speaker 1: a guy who may have had a rough day, a

1205
01:02:57,160 --> 01:03:00,520
Speaker 1: rough practice, a rough game, and then he proved to

1206
01:03:00,560 --> 01:03:03,040
Speaker 1: you he can bounce back. So that's how they're gonna

1207
01:03:03,120 --> 01:03:05,160
Speaker 1: view it right now. But I do think that there

1208
01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:07,600
Speaker 1: are still a few jobs up for grabs, specifically on

1209
01:03:07,640 --> 01:03:09,800
Speaker 1: the back end of the wide receiver depth chart, and

1210
01:03:09,800 --> 01:03:13,920
Speaker 1: that makes this game on Thursday against the Patriots extremely meaningful.

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01:03:13,960 --> 01:03:15,840
Speaker 1: All right. That is gonna wrap things up for us

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Speaker 1: on Big Blue Kickoff Live. Certainly appreciate everybody for tuning in.

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Speaker 1: are gonna have their last practice before they then traveled

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Speaker 1: to New England on Wednesday and then get set for

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Speaker 1: their final preseason games. So we'll continue to make the

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Speaker 1: most of our time here with the latest news and

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Speaker 1: notes around the team, as well as some of the

1220
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Speaker 1: developments shaping up the fifty three man roster for Paul Detino.

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