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Speaker 1: with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton.
Speaker 1: It is Wednesday, January twentieth, twenty twenty one, Season sixteen,
Speaker 1: episode number ninety four. Welcome to the latest edition of
Speaker 1: The Break, live from the s WBC Mortgage studios at
Speaker 1: the Star. Got Nick here in studio with me. David
Speaker 1: Amber are remote and we're gonna talk some Cowboys football
Speaker 1: here for the next hour. We're gonna talk a little
Speaker 1: bit about the offseason and what the Cowboys might want
Speaker 1: to do different this year than maybe they did last year,
Speaker 1: facing some of the similar challenges that they had last year.
Speaker 1: We'll also get into some NFC East talk. There's a
Speaker 1: one coach that's out. One coach for the Cowboys is
Speaker 1: maybe a candidate for that position. We'll talk about that
Speaker 1: a little bit, and as usual, we'll take some picks
Speaker 1: at the end of the show, and everybody will give
Speaker 1: their picks for the NFC and AFC championship games this weekend.
Speaker 1: Before we get to some fan questions, how's everybody doing
Speaker 1: this morning? Good? Awesome, Derek, good, good, wonderful, good good.
Speaker 1: Let's go. Let's get some energy here, Let's get this.
Speaker 1: I'm feeling really good. Ready to go. A lot to
Speaker 1: talk about it. Bill, great, let's go. Thank you, Dave,
Speaker 1: all right, thank you, all right. Let's jump right in.
Speaker 1: Let's start with a little conversation on the offseason. I
Speaker 1: was I was actually looking around on the internet yesterday
Speaker 1: and I saw this interesting quote from Damari Smith, who
Speaker 1: is the nfl PA executive director. He was on a
Speaker 1: call with agents and this was reported by Tom Pellicero.
Speaker 1: He said that there's no rosy outlook on widespread vaccinations
Speaker 1: of players by August, and OTA's mini camps likely will
Speaker 1: be virtual again. Quote. We're planning for an off season
Speaker 1: that looks a lot like the twenty twenty offseason. My
Speaker 1: question for you guys is what would you change if
Speaker 1: you were Mike McCarthy. You're going into this offseason. There
Speaker 1: isn't necessarily an answer yet to this pandemic. There are
Speaker 1: things that may make you a little more optimistic. But
Speaker 1: all that being said, what would you change that you
Speaker 1: didn't do last year that you would do this year,
Speaker 1: or things that you did last year that you wouldn't
Speaker 1: do this year. Let's start with you, Nick, Well, I
Speaker 1: don't know, like I think that you know last year
Speaker 1: when you think about what happened, you know, when it started,
Speaker 1: I think everybody was just figuring, well, this is gonna change,
Speaker 1: This will get better when the season starts, and then
Speaker 1: it never did. In fact, it got worse a little
Speaker 1: bit as the season went on and they had different
Speaker 1: restrictions I think for about a two week period. So
Speaker 1: you know, I mean they've learned. It's hard for me
Speaker 1: to answer that. I mean, they may have better answer,
Speaker 1: but it's hard for me to answer that. But I
Speaker 1: think that they know the things that were working for
Speaker 1: them in ways that you can kind of get around
Speaker 1: some of the rules and some of the guidelines on
Speaker 1: how you can get on the field. I mean, they've
Speaker 1: got to figure out a way to get on the field.
Speaker 1: The coaches have got to get on the field. And
Speaker 1: I think that's just personally. I think that you have
Speaker 1: to say that if you're d Murray Smith and you
Speaker 1: have to say it doesn't look rosy, and we're planning
Speaker 1: on an off season that looks like it. You have
Speaker 1: to plan that way because you've been burned before. Personally,
Speaker 1: I don't think it'll be that way, but I think
Speaker 1: you don't think the off season will be I don't
Speaker 1: think no. I think they'll be on the field more.
Speaker 1: I think that they figured things out and how to
Speaker 1: do things distant, you know, distance wise and all that,
Speaker 1: So I think it's fine to plan that way. But
Speaker 1: I do think that, you know, I would imagine they'll
Speaker 1: get on the field, and I think that's the biggest thing,
Speaker 1: is getting on the field. Yeah, I think they would
Speaker 1: be on the field as well, especially after you being
Speaker 1: able to go through a whole NFL season, and if
Speaker 1: they keep the whole testing going and just taking this
Speaker 1: and kind of measure, I would imagine that you can
Speaker 1: get everyone together and practice how you were practicing during
Speaker 1: the regular season. Now, if that wasn't the case and
Speaker 1: they go with an off season similar to last year,
Speaker 1: I was thinking about this question, Derek, and I really
Speaker 1: don't have an answer because even last year, I mean,
Speaker 1: you would listen to Mike McCarthy, you would listen to
Speaker 1: the coaches and hear them say how great it was going,
Speaker 1: how everything was working so well, and they got a
Speaker 1: great offseason virtual program and everything was great. So in
Speaker 1: your mind you're like, Okay, it sounds like they're good,
Speaker 1: and then once they got on the field, it was
Speaker 1: a total mess. So I really don't have an answer.
Speaker 1: I would hope that they were able to learn from
Speaker 1: their mistakes and take away some of the things that
Speaker 1: did maybe work for them, and try to apply new things.
Speaker 1: Now I am very curious to know what's going to
Speaker 1: happen with all these new coaches. I mean, you go
Speaker 1: through a year where you had new coaches, you go
Speaker 1: through all that, then you end the season starting a year,
Speaker 1: and now you're having to make coaching changes again. So
Speaker 1: I'm curious to see how that all applies, and maybe
Speaker 1: different ways than Mike McCarthy decides to do things this year. Dave,
Speaker 1: sorry if I sound like a broken record, but I
Speaker 1: said this last week. This is I mean, they already
Speaker 1: did the big thing. They hired dan Quinn, like I
Speaker 1: legitimately believe, and I don't mean that to sound like
Speaker 1: disrespect to dan Quinn, like he's not a good coach.
Speaker 1: He deserves to be hired regardless. But I think the
Speaker 1: big appeal of making that higher is because it helps
Speaker 1: them get through another weird offseason if that's what it
Speaker 1: comes to, if you can't get on the field that much,
Speaker 1: if the off season program is you know, if it's
Speaker 1: virtual or if it's shortened or whatever. This is a
Speaker 1: scheme that the bedrock players of your defense already know
Speaker 1: how to run. Most of them should feel comfortable in it.
Speaker 1: And everything we know about it is that it's a
Speaker 1: little bit more simplistic than what Mike Nolan was trying
Speaker 1: to install here. And I mean, of course there's other
Speaker 1: lessons to learn, you know, I mean the offense, you know,
Speaker 1: not like they don't have to work, but obviously everybody's
Speaker 1: a lot less worried about that than the defense. And
Speaker 1: I really think that's why dan Quinn was hired, is
Speaker 1: that should make it easier for them to handle this
Speaker 1: if if we do have to deal with another you know,
Speaker 1: pandemic offseason. Yeah, it's interesting. Jc trut Treeder, who is
Speaker 1: the NFLPA president, he went on to say, and this
Speaker 1: wasn't at the same time. He actually made the quote
Speaker 1: earlier before Demuri Smith and he said that he advocates
Speaker 1: ending the offseason conditioning program altogether. His quote was, there's
Speaker 1: no reason for us to ever return to the previous
Speaker 1: offseason program because he feels like that they have figured
Speaker 1: out a way to be able to play good football
Speaker 1: without having the off season program as it used to be.
Speaker 1: Do you agree with that, Nichola start with you one
Speaker 1: hundred percent disagree. I think it's selfish for him to
Speaker 1: say that, and I think it's shortsighted. He's a he's
Speaker 1: a guy that's played for years as a starter. He's
Speaker 1: a starting center, and you know what kind of I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: those guys need conditioning and all that, but what about
Speaker 1: what about the rookies? What about those players? What tell
Speaker 1: me Reggie Robinson didn't need an offseason? I mean, he
Speaker 1: didn't need a preseason, He didn't need to get in
Speaker 1: the weights and stuff like that. I mean, I just think,
Speaker 1: you know, I think it's and I hate that when
Speaker 1: some of these players, these the guys, the guys that
Speaker 1: speak for the NFLPA, those are the representatives, Those are
Speaker 1: the good players, those are the veteran players, those are
Speaker 1: the ones that think, oh, we don't need preseason games. Well, no,
Speaker 1: you don't. Because you're on the team. You don't have
Speaker 1: to prove it to everyone. Russell Wilson's going out saying that, well, no,
Speaker 1: he doesn't want to get hit. I don't blame him,
Speaker 1: But there's guys that need preseason games, they need offseason,
Speaker 1: they need the strength program. There's coaches that need to
Speaker 1: be on the field to teach their stuff. I just
Speaker 1: think it's a very shortsighted thing for him to say that.
Speaker 1: I don't know, never met him. He's probably a good guy.
Speaker 1: But no, I gotta get your point, Amber, No, I
Speaker 1: absolutely agree. The only thing I would add to that
Speaker 1: is the whole injury aspect of things. It's another thing
Speaker 1: that you have to look at. I mean, this season
Speaker 1: we saw a crap ton of injuries go on, not
Speaker 1: just with the Cowboys but all around the NFL. So again,
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's due to that, but that
Speaker 1: might be a big reason as to why we saw
Speaker 1: so many injuries, and not just young guys, veteran guys
Speaker 1: that you need them to go out there, even if
Speaker 1: they think, oh, we're veterans, we know how to handle it. Well,
Speaker 1: clearly not because I didn't go down that way. And
Speaker 1: a lot of really good players ended up getting hurt
Speaker 1: and being out for the season. So that's another way
Speaker 1: to look at it. So I absolutely disagree with what
Speaker 1: he said. Yeah, you know what, real quick, Dave, I was,
Speaker 1: I forgot about the injury part, and I was, but
Speaker 1: it wasn't gonna say crap ton, So I'm glad I
Speaker 1: didn't mention that. Yeah, I mean, yeah, but she is right.
Speaker 1: I mean, it wasn't good football, Yeah, Dave, I sympathize
Speaker 1: with the point that he's trying to make. And you know,
Speaker 1: in today's NFL, these guys work ten eleven months out
Speaker 1: of the year. Like the vast majority the good NFL players,
Speaker 1: the ones that stick in the league for a long time,
Speaker 1: they're back at work by a Valentine's Day. You know,
Speaker 1: It's not like these guys are just twiddling their thumbs
Speaker 1: all throughout the offseason. But at the same time, I mean,
Speaker 1: I do think and not just the Cowboys. Obviously the
Speaker 1: Cowboys didn't handle it as well as a lot of
Speaker 1: other teams, But yeah, I think I think you saw
Speaker 1: the side effect of not having those practices in the spring.
Speaker 1: I mean, it doesn't seem like a lot because it's
Speaker 1: not full contact, but like in terms of installing and
Speaker 1: getting people comfortable with what you're trying to do. I mean,
Speaker 1: you think about it, there's there's nine OTAs I believe,
Speaker 1: and then and like three or four mini camp practices,
Speaker 1: So twelve to fifteen practices. I mean that's half of
Speaker 1: training camp when you think about it, like if you
Speaker 1: take out off days and things like that, I mean,
Speaker 1: that is not an insignificant amount of work. And yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it's significant for rookies. It's significant for undrafted
Speaker 1: guys trying to the team, new players trying to learn
Speaker 1: the scheme, or if you have a new coaching staff.
Speaker 1: So no, I don't agree with him at all really,
Speaker 1: but I mean I do sympathize that, Yeah, some of
Speaker 1: these veteran players deserve a little bit more of a break,
Speaker 1: but you know, they are well compensated for their efforts,
Speaker 1: so it's hard to feel that bad for him, And that,
Speaker 1: to me becomes a coaching issue. I think coaches have
Speaker 1: to realize their veteran guys may not need the same
Speaker 1: work that the younger guys do and figure out ways.
Speaker 1: And we saw this happen with Jason Garrett quite a
Speaker 1: bit he would give his veteran veterans veteran days during
Speaker 1: training camp when they didn't work with the rest of
Speaker 1: the team and some of those drills. So I think
Speaker 1: that's up to the coach to figure that part out
Speaker 1: and figure out the balance. Every player doesn't need the
Speaker 1: same things, but you guys are right, these young guys,
Speaker 1: they need this like it is absolutely essential in their
Speaker 1: development for a lot of them to be able to
Speaker 1: make it in the league, let alone to be able
Speaker 1: to reach their full potential. Right. Yeah, and maybe maybe
Speaker 1: you know, as Dave said, I mean, you know, they
Speaker 1: do have a lot of OTAs and they have mini camps.
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe there's a there's a middle balance there.
Speaker 1: Maybe there's two rookie mini camps instead of just one.
Speaker 1: And then you know, we're because that helps him. Those
Speaker 1: are those rookie you know mini camps. I mean, somebody
Speaker 1: has to be the quarterback for that, somebody has to
Speaker 1: be the running back. And it might just be a
Speaker 1: guy that's not going to be on the team or
Speaker 1: or you know, have a hard you know, not going
Speaker 1: to play a lot of snaps, but he's gonna get
Speaker 1: a lot of reps and so maybe maybe there's a
Speaker 1: way to kind of mix it up. But just to
Speaker 1: say just to say we figured it out this year,
Speaker 1: I don't agree with that. Go ask fantasy owners if
Speaker 1: it got figured out. Just go look at the top
Speaker 1: ten of the of your first round fantasy draft. Half
Speaker 1: of the players didn't play. They got hurt. I mean
Speaker 1: it was it was a bad year from an injury standpoint,
Speaker 1: So I don't think it was figured out. Yeah, Dave,
Speaker 1: you actually mentioned some of the other teams around the NFL.
Speaker 1: My question for you guys, did the Cowboys just get
Speaker 1: it wrong where others, let's given example of Cleveland who
Speaker 1: had first time head coaches or first year head coaches
Speaker 1: found a way way to do it well. Or is
Speaker 1: it just too much of a disadvantage for new coaches
Speaker 1: if you didn't have an off season. Let's start with
Speaker 1: you Amber. I mean, it's not very easy when you're
Speaker 1: not able to have an off season, especially when you're
Speaker 1: trying to get so many new elements put together and
Speaker 1: make it work as a whole. But I can only
Speaker 1: speak from the outside and listening to some of the
Speaker 1: things that I heard from the coaches and Mike McCarthy.
Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like they maybe got a little
Speaker 1: too overly confident in what they got. I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't really know what their whole assessment on things where.
Speaker 1: I mean, we talk about a lot of these free
Speaker 1: agency guys, free agent guys that didn't end up making
Speaker 1: the team, and they ended up getting cut. So I think,
Speaker 1: like right off the bat, I don't think that they
Speaker 1: were really all aligned, so it didn't necessarily work in
Speaker 1: their advantage to be away. But then at the same time,
Speaker 1: and I'm here contradicting myself, it's like, at the same time,
Speaker 1: we have so much technology that there should not be
Speaker 1: such a bad communication between and like you should be
Speaker 1: able to communicate better and get things more right. And
Speaker 1: you see other teams they made it work. So why
Speaker 1: couldn't the Cowboys have done a better job right off
Speaker 1: the bat? So I don't know, that's a tough question,
Speaker 1: but I think I guess it doesn't help you. But
Speaker 1: at the same time, it shouldn't have gone that way.
Speaker 1: They shouldn't not have had such a bad season. They
Speaker 1: should have done a better job in general, Dave, I
Speaker 1: mean I said this throughout the season. Of course, of
Speaker 1: course it's trying. Of course they're tough circumstances, and they
Speaker 1: deserve a little bit of grace for that. But I mean,
Speaker 1: look around. I mean, the Cleveland Browns are one example,
Speaker 1: But how about you know, hey, check out the NFC East.
Speaker 1: The first year coach won the division with a lot
Speaker 1: of the same problems, Like how many quarterbacks did Ron
Speaker 1: Rivera have to use up in Washington this year? Four
Speaker 1: he had, I think he had his fourth quarterback playing
Speaker 1: in the playoffs, and they gave Tom Brady everything he
Speaker 1: could handle in a playoff game. So no, I'm not
Speaker 1: trying to hear that. The Carolina Panthers had a worse
Speaker 1: record than the Cowboys and arguably played better football. They
Speaker 1: had a they had a better point differential. They took
Speaker 1: the Kansas City Chiefs to the brink. They took the
Speaker 1: Saints to the brink this season. They played tough against
Speaker 1: the Packers like they were in games against the NFL's
Speaker 1: elite throughout the season. I don't think you can say
Speaker 1: that about the Cowboys except for maybe that game against
Speaker 1: the Steelers. Um. So yeah, I mean, it's a crappy
Speaker 1: circumstance and I sympathize, but it's not an excuse that
Speaker 1: I'm interested in hearing at all, nick Um, I just
Speaker 1: think that was kind of funny just to hear that Washington,
Speaker 1: Washington and the Panthers as the as the examples. I
Speaker 1: mean they they weren't good either. I mean, like it
Speaker 1: was just a bad year. I mean I think I
Speaker 1: think Cleveland. I think Cleveland had I mean their guy,
Speaker 1: their guy did a nice job. But I mean they
Speaker 1: were able to do what they want to do and
Speaker 1: that and that's the that's the biggest thing. I mean,
Speaker 1: offseason or not. I mean the Cowboys. The Cowboys season
Speaker 1: went the way it did because they weren't able to
Speaker 1: do what they want to do. And what do you
Speaker 1: mean that they didn't. I mean they want to run
Speaker 1: the football and they want they want to run the
Speaker 1: football with a with an experience offensive line, and then
Speaker 1: they've got a quarterback that can that can throw throw
Speaker 1: it around, he's got all these weapons. Now, they weren't
Speaker 1: able to do that, and that matters. You find out
Speaker 1: right now, if Patrick Mahomes isn't gonna play, are you
Speaker 1: going to pick the chiefs of the Bills, Because well,
Speaker 1: I mean but you don't have to. I mean, if
Speaker 1: he's not playing, you're probably not picking the Chiefs. That's
Speaker 1: that's my point is that, I mean, you lose your quarterback,
Speaker 1: it affects everything. So I don't know, I don't know
Speaker 1: how you can really grade how they did or not.
Speaker 1: They lost three. That's not a good excuse, it's a
Speaker 1: great it's not You're right, it's not a good excuse.
Speaker 1: You're right. It's not a good excuse. It's not a
Speaker 1: good excuse. You're right. It's not an excuse. It's a fact.
Speaker 1: It's not an excuse. It is a fact. They lost
Speaker 1: the best thing that they did that they did. Who
Speaker 1: who else can do? Who else can you say that about?
Speaker 1: I mean Washington? Yeah, but is a bad team that
Speaker 1: may do without their quarterback? Yeah. But here's here's my point.
Speaker 1: And Dave, I think I think the point that that
Speaker 1: that you just made with that is, let's say, for example,
Speaker 1: they lost two of those defensive linemen. Now what is
Speaker 1: Washington because that's what Nick sings, Nicks things, they lost
Speaker 1: the best of what they did. The best of what
Speaker 1: Washington did does is on defense, particular defensive line, not
Speaker 1: their quarterback. So losing their quarterback wasn't as big of
Speaker 1: a detriment for them as it would have been for
Speaker 1: the Cowboys, Right, That's what I mean. You're right, that's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I mean, and you can argue the Saints.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know. I don't know what the
Speaker 1: Saints are. I don't know. I don't know what they
Speaker 1: do is the best, I don't, you know. I mean,
Speaker 1: they their coach is outstanding. He really is an outstanding coach.
Speaker 1: There's no doubt about it. I mean, so they're a
Speaker 1: hard team to figure out to say, well, they lost,
Speaker 1: they lost a ton of injuries. He should be Coach
Speaker 1: of the Year in my opinion. He won't win in
Speaker 1: Sean Payton, but he should be. But I'm just saying
Speaker 1: it's not I mean, it's not an excuse. It's just
Speaker 1: that's that's the way that that it is. So then
Speaker 1: it's hard. It's hard to gauge what this team really was.
Speaker 1: They played five games this year before dad got her.
Speaker 1: They lost three teams that all went to the playoffs,
Speaker 1: two of them won games. It's hard to gauge what
Speaker 1: this team really would have would have been. I don't know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and quite frankly, and I was just gonna say it
Speaker 1: just I'm not gonna say pisses me off. But it
Speaker 1: just bothers me when I hear that, because when you
Speaker 1: talk about quarterback, Yes, it's unfortunate, Okay, you gotta get
Speaker 1: over it. It happens in the NFL, and it's out
Speaker 1: of your control. But then it's how you react to
Speaker 1: that challenge. What do you do from then? And we
Speaker 1: got to see down the line that the Cowboys they
Speaker 1: could have they are, they were capable of still moving
Speaker 1: the offense and having those guys, even with the online
Speaker 1: men that they lost, they were still able to piece
Speaker 1: it together and do some things in there. I mean,
Speaker 1: you talk about Andy Dalton, you had a great quarterback
Speaker 1: as a backup. He might not be a great starter
Speaker 1: in the NFL in general, but he was. You probably
Speaker 1: had one of the best backups quarterbacks that you could
Speaker 1: have had. So it's like that. I just I just
Speaker 1: think that the problem there is that the Cowboys weren't
Speaker 1: able to adjust to the challenges that they were faced with.
Speaker 1: And one of those things is, for example, the tackle
Speaker 1: position that we all talked about right off the bat
Speaker 1: at the beginning of the season. So little things like
Speaker 1: that that they could have done that we didn't get
Speaker 1: to see earlier on or in the middle of the season,
Speaker 1: but we had to wait all the way until the end.
Speaker 1: So that's where where That's how I look at it. Yes,
Speaker 1: it's sucked, you don't. You lost Dak Prescott. You weren't
Speaker 1: able to run the ball successfully with Ezekielitia. But at
Speaker 1: the same time, you had tools, You had tools that
Speaker 1: you could have used to gut in better, and you didn't.
Speaker 1: You didn't know how to use those tools. What tools?
Speaker 1: I also can't. I can't. I'm sorry, sorry, go ahead,
Speaker 1: and now I just say what tool? I mean? What
Speaker 1: were the tools? The tools? As a backup quarterback, you
Speaker 1: were in a better position than most teams terback got
Speaker 1: you you haven't. I can't. Guys, do there? Go ahead, Dave,
Speaker 1: go ahead. No, I just well, I'm with you, ag
Speaker 1: because I can't help but be tickled by the irony
Speaker 1: that and I agree. The Cowboys lost the best thing
Speaker 1: that they do. They lost Dak Prescott. Dak Prescott hasn't
Speaker 1: been paid in two years, like he's been eligible for
Speaker 1: two offseasons and doesn't have a deal. The Cowboys paid
Speaker 1: a running back, a receiver, and a linebacker before they
Speaker 1: paid him, So did they think he was the best
Speaker 1: thing that they do. The stats are you know, the
Speaker 1: financial you know, the allocation of funds indicates not so
Speaker 1: with Andy Dalton being supposedly one of the best backup
Speaker 1: quarterbacks in the league, all this wide receiver talent, and
Speaker 1: obviously Ezekiel Elliott, he's been called the straw that stirs
Speaker 1: the drink. I mean, I think they should have been
Speaker 1: able to win this bad division with what they had
Speaker 1: even without Dak, and they didn't. They got swept in
Speaker 1: lopsided fashion by Washington instead. And you know, that's that's
Speaker 1: kind of the point I was going to make because
Speaker 1: I think when it comes down to it, the way
Speaker 1: I'll look at it is I think the biggest problem
Speaker 1: for this team, and it was this was even happening
Speaker 1: when Dak was here, was the fact that they just
Speaker 1: the defense was given up, as Amber says, a crap
Speaker 1: ton of points, Like they were just giving up way
Speaker 1: too many points. And I don't think that necessarily was
Speaker 1: going to I mean, it was going to be exactly
Speaker 1: the same. It was going to continue to be the
Speaker 1: same whether Dak was here or not here. And I
Speaker 1: think that would have been more of an achilles heal
Speaker 1: to them than losing Dad. I remember back during the
Speaker 1: offseason when they signed Andy Dalton, my first thought was,
Speaker 1: this protects them from the worst thing that most teams
Speaker 1: will face any season, which is the prospect of losing
Speaker 1: your starting quarterback. Andy Dalton is good enough with whatever
Speaker 1: else they got on this team to give them a
Speaker 1: similar result, maybe not the same result, but a similar
Speaker 1: result to what Dad can give him. He could have
Speaker 1: won this division. I think the problem for me, and
Speaker 1: I've been saying this again all season, is it was
Speaker 1: more about the tackles, in my opinion, than it was
Speaker 1: even the quarterback, because the fact that you couldn't run
Speaker 1: the ball effectively. If you would have had Andy Dalton
Speaker 1: and you had those two tackles out there, he just
Speaker 1: give me one of those tackles. With Andy Dalton, I
Speaker 1: think the team wins this division. I think that's way
Speaker 1: more of a problem than losing in and than losing
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott. Because the defense was going to be the defense.
Speaker 1: You were gonna have to run the ball, and you
Speaker 1: were gonna need a quarterback that could just steady everything,
Speaker 1: which is way I think Andy Dalton did right. That's
Speaker 1: one point. That's the best thing that they do is
Speaker 1: that they they have an offensive line, and they have
Speaker 1: a quarterback, and they lost their three guys. I mean,
Speaker 1: nobody's talking about drafting the tackle in the in the
Speaker 1: top ten, are they. I wouldn't be against it if
Speaker 1: he's the best guy there who I'm saying, I wouldn't
Speaker 1: we're gonna draft. I would not be against it if
Speaker 1: he had, if he was the best player available at
Speaker 1: that position at that point in the draft. I have
Speaker 1: no problems with doing that because I quite frankly, I
Speaker 1: don't see how you can look at this team and
Speaker 1: feel like, well, tackle spots are good like I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't feel like the tackle spots are good. I
Speaker 1: feel like coming off surgery, and for particularly for Tyring,
Speaker 1: this has been year after year after year with these injuries.
Speaker 1: You give me a tackle, I'll find a way to
Speaker 1: use him for now, and I certainly will find a
Speaker 1: way to use him for later. I would say a
Speaker 1: tackle is probably the second most popular mock pick among
Speaker 1: the mock options, behind you know, Patrick Certan probably right now.
Speaker 1: Obviously that's going to change. But yeah, all right, well
Speaker 1: here's we're gonna do. We gonna take our first break,
Speaker 1: We come back from this break, we're gonna jump into
Speaker 1: a different conversations, talk a little bit about this NFC
Speaker 1: East and Doug Peterson in Philadelphia. He's out. I want
Speaker 1: to get some reaction from you guys, and also talk
Speaker 1: a little bit about Kellen Moore and in him interviewing
Speaker 1: for that Philadelphia job. We'll do that when we come
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Speaker 1: presented by Geico Stock a little NFC East. What was this?
Speaker 1: I think it was early last week or maybe even
Speaker 1: the week before that Duck Peterson, the head coach of
Speaker 1: the Philadelphia Eagles, was fired, and I'm interested to know
Speaker 1: what was your initial reaction when you first start of
Speaker 1: his firing. This is the guy that three years ago
Speaker 1: won a Super Bowl in Philly, their first super Bowl
Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl era, and then he's three years out,
Speaker 1: he's removed as the head coach. Dave, let's start with you,
Speaker 1: what would your first reaction when you heard? I thought
Speaker 1: it was completely insane. Not only did he win the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. I mean, they've made it to the playoffs
Speaker 1: three of the five years that he was the coach,
Speaker 1: and one of those years was his first year. So
Speaker 1: really twenty twenty was really the first time that you
Speaker 1: could say that he fell short of what the expectations were.
Speaker 1: On top of that, you know, this ain't this ain't
Speaker 1: like a franchise that is in the super Bowl all
Speaker 1: the time. It's the first ever super Bowl in Eagles history.
Speaker 1: You know, he's gonna be in their Ring of Honor.
Speaker 1: They built a statue of him already. So to fire
Speaker 1: him after one season, I thought it was pretty crazy.
Speaker 1: And then I mean the more I thought about it,
Speaker 1: I was like, to me, I don't have any inside
Speaker 1: information into Philly, but it just makes me think that
Speaker 1: his relationship with Carson Wentz must be absolutely awful at
Speaker 1: this point. And Howie Roseman and Jeffrey Lury decided that
Speaker 1: salvaging the court, you know, getting rid of the head
Speaker 1: coach to salvage the quarterback, is easier than trying to
Speaker 1: offload one hundred and thirty million dollar quarterback. That's the
Speaker 1: only thing I can think of that makes sense. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't have much to say it was
Speaker 1: pretty It did surprise me, but I mean, based on
Speaker 1: some of the things that I've read and heard, it's
Speaker 1: like to the point where, I mean, just like Dave
Speaker 1: was saying, that relationship right there with Carson wentz. From
Speaker 1: what I heard, they were to the point where they
Speaker 1: weren't even speaking to each other. So it must have
Speaker 1: been pretty bad. I don't really know the situation, but
Speaker 1: and also don't know the mentality of the GM as
Speaker 1: far as his AI on that last game of the
Speaker 1: season and then just kind of doing that move of
Speaker 1: taking out the quarterback and just kind of mailt it in. However,
Speaker 1: the American saying goes with that whole thing. So at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, I can care less. I
Speaker 1: really don't care what the Eagles do. I do care well.
Speaker 1: We're about to talk next when they start messing with
Speaker 1: our side and picking in and trying to get people
Speaker 1: from our team. That's a big problem, which we'll talk
Speaker 1: about in a little bit, right But as far as
Speaker 1: him and all that don't care whatever, do whatever they do,
Speaker 1: don't care, Nick, Yeah, I mean, if that's the answer,
Speaker 1: I mean, I'll take that answer too. I don't care either,
Speaker 1: But for I have to answer it. I'm surprised, you know,
Speaker 1: the guy fell on the sword for you and then
Speaker 1: you go and do that. I mean, he embarrassed himself
Speaker 1: because of this. I mean, there was some kind of
Speaker 1: miscommunication going on. Why Why wasn't this talked about earlier?
Speaker 1: And it gets to the end of the sea, end
Speaker 1: of the game, and then then you know he coach
Speaker 1: Peterson embarrassed it himself by making that move that obviously
Speaker 1: talking about changing out the Yes, that was an organizational
Speaker 1: move so they could get a better draft pick, the
Speaker 1: draft pick that he doesn't not even a part of.
Speaker 1: I mean, do you think do you think are you
Speaker 1: saying you think Jeffrey Lurie was not being truthful when
Speaker 1: he said that he didn't tell him to do that.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. Again, I barely know
Speaker 1: what's going on with this team. I really, I really,
Speaker 1: do you give yourself You should give yourself a little
Speaker 1: more credited, But seriously, I don't though, we don't know
Speaker 1: all that what's going on this team. So with that team,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I thought it was kind of classless.
Speaker 1: But who's surprised, you know, seriously, who's surprised about that,
Speaker 1: So hey, it is, it is what it is. It's
Speaker 1: nice statue, though, I mean it's so awkward, But I
Speaker 1: mean he will forever be in their history. I guess
Speaker 1: that's the point. He'll forever be in their history. And
Speaker 1: as we know with all these things, like they all
Speaker 1: have a way of working himselves out long term, and
Speaker 1: the guy will still be coming back when his career
Speaker 1: is done. He'll be coming back and waving at the
Speaker 1: crowd and saying thank you so much, and they'll love
Speaker 1: him forever. Like that's just the way it goes in sports.
Speaker 1: You break up to make up, right, all right. So
Speaker 1: here's the question. Kellen Moore and Amber you mentioned this
Speaker 1: Kellen Moore interviewed for the Philadelphia head coaching job. Amber
Speaker 1: you was interesting the tweet you put out that you know,
Speaker 1: you took a little umbrage to them messing with our
Speaker 1: guys you put it. But here's my question. How long
Speaker 1: do you think Dallas gonna be able to hold on
Speaker 1: to Kelly Moore? Because he was a guy that was
Speaker 1: rumored for the head coaching job in Boise. He's now
Speaker 1: had an interview as a head coach in Philadelphia. What
Speaker 1: we see around the league right now is there are
Speaker 1: a lot of teams out there that are opting for
Speaker 1: the young I would call him unproven head coaches, the
Speaker 1: guys that are this is their first opportunity, but they're
Speaker 1: the young, bright minds in the game, offense or defense.
Speaker 1: He seems to fit that mole. He's had this offense
Speaker 1: I think playing pretty well in the time that he's
Speaker 1: been the offensive coordinator. How long do you think Dallas
Speaker 1: can hold on Amber. We'll start with you, Well, we
Speaker 1: first got to see what happens here with Philly and
Speaker 1: what kind of decision they make, and Kellen Moore makes
Speaker 1: clearly he's been a popular guy. He's getting the attention
Speaker 1: of many, many people around the NFL and even college football.
Speaker 1: But it's gonna be It's It's a tough one because
Speaker 1: as if I was in Kellen Moore's position, I would
Speaker 1: who doesn't want to get head coaching jobs? So yes,
Speaker 1: that is the next step that most people would head tours.
Speaker 1: But you know, when I heard the news, and especially yesterday,
Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, now he's going out there. If Kellen
Speaker 1: Moore accept this job, that is like a freaking stab
Speaker 1: in the bag. That is called treason in my books,
Speaker 1: that's a betrayal. That is a stab in the bag,
Speaker 1: is stabbing the heart, and I would be absolutely disappointed,
Speaker 1: even though obviously I understand and get it that is
Speaker 1: the next step, and you would want to do that,
Speaker 1: But it does you know, you know, God, you know me.
Speaker 1: I like to read into things a little bit more,
Speaker 1: and it makes me feel that, Okay, if you take
Speaker 1: this job, does that mean that maybe you don't feel
Speaker 1: as confident with the team that the Cowboys currently have
Speaker 1: because we keep talking about how close they can become
Speaker 1: a contender to get to a super Bowl. So if
Speaker 1: you're over here, okay, maybe we can get to a
Speaker 1: super Bowl as an OC or maybe I just go
Speaker 1: to a crappy team that wears green and it's called
Speaker 1: the Eagles and become a head coach over there. So
Speaker 1: what option? If it goes that way, I'm gonna feel
Speaker 1: a lot worse about our position and what we currently
Speaker 1: have as a team. Because if you really think that
Speaker 1: you have a great offense and you're just to step
Speaker 1: away from getting there, why would you want to leave?
Speaker 1: I mean, you would want to make a run to
Speaker 1: get to the super Bowl, so you get to be
Speaker 1: the head coach. Huh, because you get to be the
Speaker 1: head coach, right, isn't that the answer? Like if he
Speaker 1: if he's offered the job and he takes it, he
Speaker 1: gets there's only thirty Brian brought you always say there's
Speaker 1: only thirty two of these positions in the world. Right,
Speaker 1: They're only thirty two head football coach positions in football
Speaker 1: in the world. And if you get an opportunity to
Speaker 1: take one of them, that's better than being an offensive coordinator. Sure,
Speaker 1: there's only thirty two of those, but the head coach
Speaker 1: is a head coach. That's the reason why he goes.
Speaker 1: Right if he go absolutely absolutely no, And I agree,
Speaker 1: I agree absolutely one. But I'm just saying, like right
Speaker 1: now for this upcoming year, and like how you feel
Speaker 1: with the Cowboys currently and the players that you may
Speaker 1: have and all that stuff. I mean, people talk about
Speaker 1: all the time about wearing that ring, and you mentioned
Speaker 1: Brian brown Is he loves wearing his little Super Bowl
Speaker 1: ring and showing it off. So it seems that people
Speaker 1: care a lot about the ring. So I don't know
Speaker 1: these you guys can keep answering and talking about this subject,
Speaker 1: but I don't like it. I hate it. I don't
Speaker 1: think that Kellen Moore will live out his whole contract
Speaker 1: here with the Cowboys, because if it's not with the Eagles,
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure that another position and opportunity is gonna
Speaker 1: pop up in the near future and he might go
Speaker 1: for it. All right, Nick, I mean, the average offensive
Speaker 1: coordinator salaries about a million dollars. The average NFL head
Speaker 1: coaching salaries about six point five million dollars. Right, So
Speaker 1: if you looked at for reasons of why you would
Speaker 1: want to do that, I mean, that would be one
Speaker 1: of them right there. I don't know. I mean, what
Speaker 1: am I missing here? I'm about him? I mean I
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't see the infatuation. No, I don't.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I think this offense, I don't think this
Speaker 1: offense functions really well. Since I think he has done
Speaker 1: a really good job with this offense. And as we
Speaker 1: talked about, for them to buy the end of this season,
Speaker 1: the offense could have been like really really bad, it
Speaker 1: was not. The offense was still a decent offense. And
Speaker 1: that's without two tackles and a quarterback, Like I mean
Speaker 1: that that was your point is like without those guys, Like,
Speaker 1: how are they able to do anything, and they were
Speaker 1: actually a functioning offense. I don't. I'll go back to
Speaker 1: last year then, I just I mean, the stats were great,
Speaker 1: but when they needed to go win games, they didn't.
Speaker 1: You know, when they need I mean the two games
Speaker 1: they lost the year ago, the Eagles and the Patriots,
Speaker 1: they even score touchdown. I mean, I just, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think there's flaws in the offense. He's a young guy.
Speaker 1: He's gonna get better, but I just, I mean, I
Speaker 1: think Jerry's gonna sleep fine if he goes to another team.
Speaker 1: Who's behind me? Here? The boss? Okay, the boss? Okay? Sorry,
Speaker 1: like what are they? Yeah? Well, what are you staring
Speaker 1: at it? Like? Okay, Jerry Jones, Jerry Jones Joy. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean I'm glad Nick said that first part, because
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, if you offered to Quinn tupple my
Speaker 1: salary and let me call the shots, I'll go wherever
Speaker 1: you want me to go. I mean, that's I mean.
Speaker 1: And there's only thirty two with these jobs in the world,
Speaker 1: and I think, you know, I honestly was happy to
Speaker 1: hear that Kellen's taking the interview, not because I want
Speaker 1: him to leave, but because I think that that's useful
Speaker 1: experience for anybody to have, and he's probably gonna want
Speaker 1: that in his back pocket. Do I think he will leave? No?
Speaker 1: And Amber's point is exactly why, because you know, and
Speaker 1: you know, if Kellen Moore wasn't confident in himself or
Speaker 1: wasn't a good coach, and I think that he is,
Speaker 1: he would probably be like, holy crap, this might be
Speaker 1: my only chance to do this. I better go. I
Speaker 1: better take this NFL job, even though it's not ideal.
Speaker 1: But instead, Kellen Moore is smart and he's a good coach,
Speaker 1: and he can say maybe I should stick around here
Speaker 1: for another year and let Deck and these tackles come
Speaker 1: back and add some more talent in the draft. And
Speaker 1: we were number one in overall offense when we had
Speaker 1: everybody healthy. We can do it again. And if we
Speaker 1: get this thing crankin for sixteen games, now that people
Speaker 1: already know who I am, I'm gonna have way better
Speaker 1: options next year, especially, you know, especially. I'm not saying
Speaker 1: they will, but hopefully if the Cowboys have some playoff
Speaker 1: success to go along with that, you know, top five
Speaker 1: offense playing in the playoffs, those are the guys that
Speaker 1: get jobs. Look around at who's getting hired and who's
Speaker 1: getting interviews right now. So I think Kellen is smart
Speaker 1: enough and patient enough to see the long term picture,
Speaker 1: which is why I can't imagine him sticking around here
Speaker 1: for more than maybe two more seasons. And of course
Speaker 1: we would be remiss if we did not note the
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett parallel, which is to say, clearly the Joneses
Speaker 1: think highly of Kellen Moore. They paid him handsomely not
Speaker 1: to take the Boise State job. They definitely, I don't think,
Speaker 1: want him to go to Philly, And if Mike McCarthy
Speaker 1: continues to struggle, maybe they'll be the ones that want
Speaker 1: to try. Think we got you would have. You would
Speaker 1: have to be crazy not to at least mention that.
Speaker 1: I'm saying it will happen. You would have to be
Speaker 1: crazy not to at least mention it. I'm just saying, no,
Speaker 1: I think history has away of repeating itself. It absolutely
Speaker 1: is a fair point, and I think that I agree
Speaker 1: with you. I think the Jones family really likes him.
Speaker 1: I think I think they see value in him, and
Speaker 1: I think they see that same thing. The other teams
Speaker 1: around the league are starting to kind of their intendas
Speaker 1: are going up. This guy may be that next coach
Speaker 1: that could be you know that really thinks about the
Speaker 1: game maybe a little bit different. We all know if
Speaker 1: you watch college football and you watch the NFL, you
Speaker 1: know the NFL game is vast is quickly becoming the
Speaker 1: college game. Like you can just see by the way
Speaker 1: offenses are being run by the guys that are coming
Speaker 1: from college into the pros, by some of the guys
Speaker 1: that are getting jobs in the pros, Like, you see
Speaker 1: it coming. And so when you look at that, then
Speaker 1: you can't help but look at Kellen Moore and say,
Speaker 1: like he is a product of that. He is, and
Speaker 1: he seems to be in the opportunity he's gotten so far,
Speaker 1: he seems to be doing quite well with them. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I could definitely see something like that, But I personally
Speaker 1: don't think it's gonna get to that. I think personally,
Speaker 1: I think the Cowboys would be lucky if they keep
Speaker 1: him from more than one more year. I think with
Speaker 1: his pieces back, I think next year their offense is
Speaker 1: gonna be right back back there among the top of
Speaker 1: the league. And if their team overall can figure out
Speaker 1: how to have some team success, that just elevates the
Speaker 1: possibilities of what he could be. And I think he's
Speaker 1: going to be one of the hottest names out there
Speaker 1: as far as hit coaching candidates next year. And because
Speaker 1: of that, I think it's gonna be very hard for
Speaker 1: the Cowboys to hold onto him for more than more
Speaker 1: than two years, for sure, but one year I think
Speaker 1: would even be a bit of a challenge. I think
Speaker 1: he's gonna start getting a lot of a lot of
Speaker 1: looks from teams. I really don't think he's gonna even
Speaker 1: get the opportunity for this job. I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: think I think they're gonna offer it to him. I don't.
Speaker 1: I think, not this job, the film, the Villa job.
Speaker 1: I think that they're you know, they're interviewing everybody under
Speaker 1: the sun, and I think they're there. There's probably a
Speaker 1: little cat and mouse game going on with the fact
Speaker 1: that they were interviewing the Cowboys people. That's what I believe.
Speaker 1: But I don't think he's gonna get offered this job.
Speaker 1: But you're right, I mean, you do this again and
Speaker 1: have a better year and maybe getting the playoffs. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean he's gonna be out there. Probably he probably
Speaker 1: will be. Yeah, all right, we're gonna take our final break.
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Speaker 1: we're talking about the NFC East and the thing that
Speaker 1: stands out to me most about this division, outside of
Speaker 1: the fact that they were really, really horrible this year,
Speaker 1: is the fact that it really You could make the
Speaker 1: argument that New York Giants have a clear picture of
Speaker 1: who their quarterback is going to be. You could also
Speaker 1: make an argument maybe they shouldn't, but there is no
Speaker 1: other team in the NFC East that has a clear
Speaker 1: picture of who their quarterback will be beyond this year.
Speaker 1: That includes Dallas obviously, because we know the contract situation
Speaker 1: going on with Dak Prescott. My question for you guys
Speaker 1: is who has the best quarterback situation right now? You
Speaker 1: got the Cowboys dealing with Dak Prescott, who if they
Speaker 1: franchise him this year. A lot of people feel like
Speaker 1: this isn't going to be his last year because he
Speaker 1: has the opportunity then to walk after after this year.
Speaker 1: You got Daniel Jones in New York. You got Carson
Speaker 1: Wentz and Jalen Hurtz in Philly, and then you've got
Speaker 1: Alex Smith and Kyle Allen or maybe some other player
Speaker 1: that they want to go out and get in Washington.
Speaker 1: Who has the best quarterback situation at this point, Let's
Speaker 1: start with Nick. Let me clarifying this from whose perspective,
Speaker 1: from the head coach's perspective about how his quarterback Explain
Speaker 1: to me the difference, because I would think just in general,
Speaker 1: but if you if you have a nuance, well, I'm
Speaker 1: just I'm like the best. I don't know. I would
Speaker 1: say Washington because because they're not asked a lot of them,
Speaker 1: because they don't have to go win and win a
Speaker 1: bunch of games. They have to go and manage the
Speaker 1: game and play well. And I think they'll draft somebody. Um,
Speaker 1: So maybe I'm not answering the question right because but
Speaker 1: I think it's a good way to look. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: just look, I think you don't need a quarterback. I
Speaker 1: don't think I don't think the quarterback position is now.
Speaker 1: If they get one, they draft one or they maybe
Speaker 1: they sign one of these veterans or something like that,
Speaker 1: and then they add them to the team. Watch out,
Speaker 1: it's even gonna be scary or it's gonna be a problem,
Speaker 1: right yeah, right, so, um, you know, and they got
Speaker 1: a short window. I mean, they got to do it
Speaker 1: in two or three years because those those first round
Speaker 1: and second round picks, I mean, those guys, you can't
Speaker 1: sign them all, so they're gonna go away. So you
Speaker 1: got to you gotta do it, like right, you already
Speaker 1: gonna lose probably one of them this year, this offseason.
Speaker 1: And Karragan's a free agent at this point, so I'm
Speaker 1: pretty sure Karragan's going somewhere else. Yeah, uh, Dave, I'm
Speaker 1: over here. I mean, New York is in the envious
Speaker 1: position of you know, they don't have to even worry
Speaker 1: about paying Daniel Jones until next year, and they can
Speaker 1: keep him under contract for three years, so at least
Speaker 1: they have, you know, that stability. But Daniel Jones isn't good.
Speaker 1: I'm ready to say that. Yeah, he's not a good player.
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe he'll make some sort of crazy jump. You know,
Speaker 1: people were down on Josh Allen, but Josh Allen showed
Speaker 1: more before this season than Daniel Jones has. The guy
Speaker 1: averaged six and a half yards per attempt, eleven touchdowns
Speaker 1: and ten interceptions. Like, no, you should be showing more
Speaker 1: than that by your second season starting in the league.
Speaker 1: If you're if you're legit, it's the Cowboys, because the
Speaker 1: Cowboys have the ability to retain the rights of arguably
Speaker 1: one of the five best quarterbacks in the league and
Speaker 1: definitely one of the ten best quarterbacks in the league,
Speaker 1: and nobody else can really say that in this division. Washington.
Speaker 1: I agree with y'all, Washington is a quarterback away from
Speaker 1: being really, really scary. But I'm not sure what the
Speaker 1: path is to getting that quarterback. And that's that's the
Speaker 1: problem with winning the division. You're way out at nineteenth
Speaker 1: in the draft order. I mean for Jalen Hurts, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's trade for wins, I guess. I mean, I'm not
Speaker 1: convinced Kayalen Hurts is going to get you a better
Speaker 1: return on your investment. Maybe if you want to trade
Speaker 1: for trade for Matt Stafford or something. Maybe I don't know.
Speaker 1: But the point is is that you got to do
Speaker 1: a lot of work or spend a lot of resources
Speaker 1: to get a quarterback if you're Washington, and I know
Speaker 1: Dallas does too, but again, he is a known commodity
Speaker 1: in my eyes at least, so I think it's the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: What if Andy Dalton went there? That's an interesting one.
Speaker 1: I mean, you start looking around the league at quarterbacks
Speaker 1: that will be available. I think Andy Dalton is an
Speaker 1: interesting an interesting piece for a lot of teams around
Speaker 1: the NFL. What about the kid they had and the playoffs.
Speaker 1: I don't know how to say his name, Heinick Taylor, Heineck.
Speaker 1: Now that you gotta see more than one game before
Speaker 1: I'm me too. I'd like to see more. But he
Speaker 1: was a I think it tends to be like that
Speaker 1: sometimes when it's your first time, nobody really has film
Speaker 1: on you. I didn't be interested to see what he
Speaker 1: is if he had to do that in week you know,
Speaker 1: that's what I'd want to see. But you're right, in
Speaker 1: that game he was fine. But you just said you
Speaker 1: were ready to trade for jail and Hurts. I mean,
Speaker 1: isn't he kind of in the same boat? But exactly
Speaker 1: in the first week it was is not. It was like,
Speaker 1: you're like, he probably played a little bit better. But
Speaker 1: I think over the course of the games that he played,
Speaker 1: I think he still showed you some good things. I thought,
Speaker 1: if I'm feeling I feel like we're talking about the
Speaker 1: Eagles way too much. But if if I'm filling, I'm
Speaker 1: getting a coach that could come in here and fix
Speaker 1: Carson Wentz. I think he's a good quarterback. I think
Speaker 1: he's fixable. Yes, okay, just like fifty four is fixable
Speaker 1: on the defensive stop it don't even go there. That's
Speaker 1: I think that's the same though. Sorry, I know she's
Speaker 1: about to make a point there, but my point is
Speaker 1: is that defensive coordinators got to come in here and
Speaker 1: he got to figure out how you want to If
Speaker 1: you're gonna keep Jalen Smith, you got to figure out
Speaker 1: how to use them. I think Phil is going to
Speaker 1: have to figure out how to use Carson Wentz. Amber agreed, Um.
Speaker 1: I mean mine is pretty simple. I'd like to look
Speaker 1: at the next year, not really long term. I'd like
Speaker 1: to focus in the next season, in the present, in
Speaker 1: the now. So if we're specifically talking about next year,
Speaker 1: I do think that m Dallas is gonna the Cowboys
Speaker 1: are gonna end up signing Dak Whether it's a long
Speaker 1: term or just tagging him again. I think he's gonna
Speaker 1: stay here in Dallas for at least another year. And
Speaker 1: when you look at these quarterbacks, I do believe that
Speaker 1: Dak is the best quarterback out of the bunch. Especially.
Speaker 1: I know we got a very small sample, but from
Speaker 1: what we got this past year, I was very impressed
Speaker 1: about his uprising, the way he had improved, and the
Speaker 1: way that he was playing. So I'm excited. I'm excited
Speaker 1: to see what he can do this upcoming year. So
Speaker 1: I think that when you look at this next season specifically,
Speaker 1: Dallas does have the best quarterback situation because I think
Speaker 1: one way or another, Doc is going to be here. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think if if Dallas is willing to pay the
Speaker 1: price for Dak, then they're in the best situation. However,
Speaker 1: if you're looking at it from a GM's perspective, I
Speaker 1: don't know if I feel like Dallas is in the
Speaker 1: best situation because I really feel like Dallas has lost
Speaker 1: a lot of it's whatever advantages it may have had,
Speaker 1: whatever leverage it may have had. I think right now
Speaker 1: the leverage is clearly on Dak's side in my opinion,
Speaker 1: just because I feel like he knows that the least
Speaker 1: worst case scenario, he's gonna make what upper thirties this year,
Speaker 1: and then after that he would be a free agent,
Speaker 1: and so there really is no downside for him either way.
Speaker 1: So he's not motivated to have to do a deal.
Speaker 1: I think the Cowboys look at this now like our
Speaker 1: option is either we're gonna pay him or we're gonna
Speaker 1: go back to the well and try to find a quarterback.
Speaker 1: And I don't I think that's a very daunting We've
Speaker 1: talked about that since the beginning of the show. We've
Speaker 1: been talking about how important the quarterback position is. Having
Speaker 1: to go back to the well is not something I
Speaker 1: would ever have an appetite for if I were an
Speaker 1: NFL GM, even if I had the top pick in
Speaker 1: the draft, I'm not willing to go back to the
Speaker 1: well if I got a guy I think is good,
Speaker 1: because you just that's a fifty fifty proposition no matter
Speaker 1: where you select him in the draft. And so I
Speaker 1: think from that standpoint, most of the leverages is with
Speaker 1: dak at this point. I don't know that it's an
Speaker 1: enviable position to be where Dallas is from a GM perspective.
Speaker 1: All Right, we're gonna also keep in mind, Derek, I
Speaker 1: just real quick, and I was reminded of this because
Speaker 1: John Harbaud did his exit press conference and was talking
Speaker 1: about how confident he is that the Ravens are gonna
Speaker 1: lock up Lamar Jackson for the long term. Lamar Jackson,
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield, and Josh Allen will all be eligible for
Speaker 1: extensions this offseason. And that's just more contracts the Cowboys
Speaker 1: front office might have to compete with. So we've got
Speaker 1: Deshawn's deal was what forty million was forty and you
Speaker 1: had obviously my homes up there in fifty Like, that's
Speaker 1: a whole different stratosphere. But you're right. If you start
Speaker 1: getting these other guys that are coming up and they
Speaker 1: start getting forty plus, that does it changes the negotiation
Speaker 1: a bit from Dak's standpoint, I would think, And now
Speaker 1: what was just two years ago, you know, thinking of
Speaker 1: whether you should do a thirty three, thirty four, thirty
Speaker 1: five million dollar deal has now turned into forty plus.
Speaker 1: It does it changes the It drastically changes how you
Speaker 1: look at this negotiation. If you're Dak and if you're
Speaker 1: the Cowboys, well, and they also they need to need
Speaker 1: to learn from the Deshaun Watson situation. And I don't
Speaker 1: know exactly what's going on over there, but you know,
Speaker 1: it seems to me that he doesn't like the direction
Speaker 1: of the team of how it's going, which I think
Speaker 1: is ludicrous because they just paid you forty million dollars.
Speaker 1: Of course, it's going to be tough to figure out
Speaker 1: what you're doing with everything else because they paid you
Speaker 1: forty million. So I think dak is I think if
Speaker 1: they do sign, that's a simplification of what's happening there.
Speaker 1: Based on the things I've read, well, it sounds more
Speaker 1: like his issue is not necessarily the direction as much
Speaker 1: as it is he was told he was led to
Speaker 1: believe that he would be a part of the decision making,
Speaker 1: and he was not a part of the decision making.
Speaker 1: So that's part of the decision making making the decision No,
Speaker 1: he being consulted in, and I think that was what
Speaker 1: he was led to believe. Now again, that's what this
Speaker 1: is all reporting, so we may not know the truth.
Speaker 1: What the reporting says is he was led to believe
Speaker 1: by ownership that he would be consultant before decisions were made,
Speaker 1: and he was not. That's no different than you and
Speaker 1: I are talking about something going on here at work,
Speaker 1: and I tell you, hey, Nick, I'm gonna get your
Speaker 1: opinion before I do it, and then I just do
Speaker 1: it and don't tell you about it. Like that probably
Speaker 1: pissed you off, right, you do you do that too,
Speaker 1: but I don't tell you I'm gonna consult you. That's
Speaker 1: the difference. Okay. My point of well, the Cowboys, we
Speaker 1: don't have to worry about that. The Cowboys aren't going
Speaker 1: to tell Dad that he's gonna be in the wouldn't
Speaker 1: then he doesn't need to be and they don't need
Speaker 1: to They don't need to mess with that. But I
Speaker 1: just I think they need to figure this out that
Speaker 1: if you're gonna pay a guy forty million plus, you know,
Speaker 1: there needs to be some talk about about moving forward.
Speaker 1: So don't get upset when the wide receiver, when Michael
Speaker 1: Galla leaves and you don't sign this tackle and you
Speaker 1: have to play with the rookie and all this kind
Speaker 1: of stuff. I'll come back later and be like, lay,
Speaker 1: aren't y'all signing guys? Right? We know why? You know?
Speaker 1: And there and there's not a coincidence when you look
Speaker 1: at Brady and Rogers two of the best quarterbacks to
Speaker 1: ever play, and they're playing against each other this weekend.
Speaker 1: They ranked thirteenth and fourteenth in the average salary in
Speaker 1: the NFL. My question is where were they ranked when
Speaker 1: they first did those deals, because we're not over time.
Speaker 1: Brady did it last year, right, Rady differ and Brady's
Speaker 1: in the twilight rights not due Right, That's the thing,
Speaker 1: and that's why they're trying to chase championships here. But
Speaker 1: guessing when Roger signed his deal, he was close to
Speaker 1: the top. He was, Yeah, he was was at the time. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So it changes, it does, it changes, It changes quickly.
Speaker 1: But but I just think that, you know, go ahead, finish. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: then I was going to change subjects. Well, it's still
Speaker 1: in the same topic. But since we're talking about quarterbacks
Speaker 1: and we've been talking about Dak, the most popular question
Speaker 1: that I've been receiving from fans is the whole question
Speaker 1: about his contract situation. And I think that there is
Speaker 1: a big expectation or there was an expectation based on
Speaker 1: all the things that we heard from like Stephen Jones,
Speaker 1: Jerry Jones making so much emphasis on how much they
Speaker 1: want Dad to stay here and all that throughout the season.
Speaker 1: I think fans are surprised right now as to, Okay,
Speaker 1: the season's over, Why is there no movement? Why is
Speaker 1: there no news? Why havn't we heard something? Why is
Speaker 1: there not a contract done at this point? And I
Speaker 1: know we haven't heard anything new, but wanted to post
Speaker 1: that question, that question to you guys as to maybe
Speaker 1: why why is that that we haven't actually heard any
Speaker 1: movement happening right now? Well, I'll say this, just because
Speaker 1: we haven't heard doesn't mean that there may not be.
Speaker 1: That doesn't mean that there is, But I don't think
Speaker 1: it necessarily means there hasn't been. We don't know what
Speaker 1: conversations have even been had before the official period where
Speaker 1: you can start talking. I mean, obviously Dak's been at
Speaker 1: home for a while now recovering from his injury. You know,
Speaker 1: there obviously could have been conversations between the Cowboys and
Speaker 1: his representatives all along, and they could. I mean, some
Speaker 1: of the things we heard last year before that deadline
Speaker 1: was that they actually were talking the day of the
Speaker 1: deadline and there were some there was some movement, just
Speaker 1: not enough movement to get it done in the period
Speaker 1: of time that they had left, So look, here's a deal.
Speaker 1: There could be there could be movement, There could be
Speaker 1: differences of opinions at this point than where they were
Speaker 1: last year. I just don't know that we know that,
Speaker 1: and I don't know that just not hearing anything means
Speaker 1: that nothing has happened or nothing has changed. I mean,
Speaker 1: was he just trying to be cute with the tweet
Speaker 1: about holding my crutches, because I mean that's funny, I
Speaker 1: get it, But are you really is he still on crutches,
Speaker 1: because I mean we're about six he was on crutches
Speaker 1: at that was about three weeks ago. Yeah, like walking
Speaker 1: crutches or whatever. I mean, we're six to seven months
Speaker 1: away from him trying to run around from defensive linemen.
Speaker 1: I mean, we we got to rehab and all this
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. So I mean, I don't know, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I say all that thinking maybe maybe they're
Speaker 1: trying to just see how he fully recovers before they
Speaker 1: really even started negotiating. I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I was a little surprised if he's still on crutches
Speaker 1: at this point. I thought, you know, he joked in
Speaker 1: that video we did have on him with Zeke remember
Speaker 1: he was Zeke was mocking him and he was like,
Speaker 1: I don't need these crutches, you know, but I wouldn't
Speaker 1: think you'd still be on them. So I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm sure he's doing fine. Everyone everyone says he's doing fine.
Speaker 1: I think that's a good point. That's what I keep saying, is,
Speaker 1: you know, they gotta make sure he's got a clean
Speaker 1: bill of health. And the I mean, maybe it's it's
Speaker 1: an answer people don't want to hear, but there's not
Speaker 1: really any urgency right now there. I mean, they can
Speaker 1: and likely will tag him, and that doesn't mean he
Speaker 1: has to play on it. It's just a placeholder that
Speaker 1: keeps him from hitting free agency. It's in my experience,
Speaker 1: and granted, you know, the Cowboys haven't done a ton
Speaker 1: of quarterback deals in the time that I've covered the team,
Speaker 1: but this isn't a team that gets things done super
Speaker 1: duper ahead of time. They like to do stuff on deadline.
Speaker 1: They do. Even the DeMarcus Lawrence deal happened on the
Speaker 1: deadline of you know, when he needed to have that surgery.
Speaker 1: So they can tag him in March and they don't
Speaker 1: have to do anything with him until July. I don't
Speaker 1: know if they'll take it all the way to July.
Speaker 1: I keep saying, I think you got to have this
Speaker 1: deal in place. If you're gonna do it, you got
Speaker 1: to have it in place before the draft. But that
Speaker 1: gives you all the way until April, and you know
Speaker 1: that's three or four more months that Dak can continue
Speaker 1: to recover and you can get a look at him
Speaker 1: and see how you feel about it. So trust me,
Speaker 1: I would love to have it done just so we
Speaker 1: don't have to talk about it. But I just don't
Speaker 1: think there's any urgency right now. Yeah, when I talked
Speaker 1: about leverage a little earlier and all the leverage being
Speaker 1: on Dak's side, this is the one area where the
Speaker 1: Cowboys do have some leverage because there is some risk
Speaker 1: here that's built in for Dak. Let's assume, and I
Speaker 1: know Dak has supreme confidence, right but the fact of
Speaker 1: the matter is, if he comes back from this injury
Speaker 1: and he's not, for whatever reason, doesn't look like the
Speaker 1: same guy. If he has shades of what we've seen
Speaker 1: with Wentz just a little bit, then that puts doubts
Speaker 1: in other team's minds. If he were to enter free
Speaker 1: agency and the amount of money he might be able
Speaker 1: to command right now. It may not be the amount
Speaker 1: of money he's able to command next year when he
Speaker 1: would be a free agent, and that might not be
Speaker 1: the amount of money at the Cowboys were willing to
Speaker 1: pay him in a deal right now. So there is
Speaker 1: some leverage for the Cowboys, And I think that's a
Speaker 1: part of kind of DA having to figure out, like
Speaker 1: where do I think I'm really going to be and
Speaker 1: how successful do I think I can be coming off
Speaker 1: the surgery, as you said, Nick, knowing that I'm going
Speaker 1: to go right into a season coming off of rehab,
Speaker 1: not necessarily coming off of preparing for the season. I'm
Speaker 1: coming off for rehab, and those are two completely different things. Yeah, well, Dave.
Speaker 1: Dave pointed out the fact that he could sign right
Speaker 1: now and be the number two rated quarterback or highest
Speaker 1: paid quarterback in the league. He could sign it right
Speaker 1: now and by the time he takes his first snap
Speaker 1: he could be fifth or sixth. Absolutely, So I mean
Speaker 1: it changes facts at a right. Here's we're gonna do
Speaker 1: real quick before we end the show. I do want
Speaker 1: to get some picks. Here's the NFC and AFC championship games.
Speaker 1: Are this weekend. You've got Buffalo at Kansas City, You've
Speaker 1: got Tampa Bay at Green Bay. Uh, Nick, how are
Speaker 1: you going on these games? Super Bowl one, Green Bay
Speaker 1: and yeah? Yeah interesting? Yeah yeah, I take the home teams.
Speaker 1: I've been terrible in these picks. By the way, if
Speaker 1: you notice last week, you're you're half and half. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: I've been half and half every time. I'm terrible. And
Speaker 1: he guess what picking games is about a fifty percent
Speaker 1: cool thing. That's what I do. We're all at fifty.
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, I think, I think and a
Speaker 1: good thing. Mahomes didn't have a concussion. It doesn't sound
Speaker 1: like he had a concussion really, so I think he
Speaker 1: comes back. I think he plays. I think they're unstoppable
Speaker 1: in their coach as kahonas the other coaches don't have
Speaker 1: to me. He is the most underrated coach in NFL history.
Speaker 1: He's been so good when you look at his resume,
Speaker 1: what he did in Philadelphia. I know he never won
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, but what he did in Philadelphia was
Speaker 1: well that that's that is amazing. I know they're gonna
Speaker 1: make their picks, but I mean, there's only one coach
Speaker 1: has ever hosted the playoff, I mean the MC Championship
Speaker 1: three straight years and he's done it twice. YEA wow. Um,
Speaker 1: I'm with Nake on this one too, surprisingly but yes,
Speaker 1: the Chiefs and then Tampa. Good for you, you made
Speaker 1: it this far. An applause to you, Tom Brady, You're great.
Speaker 1: Good for you. But Aaron Rodgers, let's shine some light
Speaker 1: on him. I want to see him in Green Bay
Speaker 1: in the super Bowl and see how that does. All right, Dave,
Speaker 1: You know, I feel like usually we're really lucky because
Speaker 1: I don't think you can go wrong this weekend. Like
Speaker 1: all four teams are you know, it's a great story.
Speaker 1: All four of them are fun to watch. I think
Speaker 1: the super Bowl would be good no matter which two
Speaker 1: teams make it. Honestly, where like that's not usually the case,
Speaker 1: Like nobody wanted to see Tennessee in the super Bowl
Speaker 1: last year, or there's nobody like you know, there's there's
Speaker 1: all yeah, there's always there's usually a team that you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: not those guys. I don't want to see those guys.
Speaker 1: But I'd be happy to see any of the four. Um,
Speaker 1: but I do. I mean, who doesn't want to see
Speaker 1: Mahomes versus Rodgers. Who doesn't I mean that's I don't
Speaker 1: like mahomes is He's incredible, and I you know, I
Speaker 1: know people hate me for thinking this, but Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 1: has become like one of my three or four favorite
Speaker 1: football players ever. Like the throw he made the other day, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was in his own end zone and freaking dodged
Speaker 1: like four guys and threw that ball on a rope
Speaker 1: like they're just there's like maybe two or three guys
Speaker 1: in the world who could make that throw ever, like
Speaker 1: not just right now, but ever, and two of them
Speaker 1: are Pat Mahomes and Aaron Rodgers. So who wouldn't want
Speaker 1: to see those two guys play in the super Bowl?
Speaker 1: That would be that would be awesome. So I got Yeah,
Speaker 1: I got Chiefs Packers. If the Bills make the Super
Speaker 1: Bowl in about a week and a half, we're gonna
Speaker 1: find out that the world's gonna realize. Wait, Cole Beasley raps.
Speaker 1: Maybe Oh it wasn't, because he put out that that
Speaker 1: single like last week, a week before, like right as
Speaker 1: they were in the playoffs. Yeah, it'll be like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that same love like when you went the Cowboys. You
Speaker 1: can put it out in week two, and everybody's gonna
Speaker 1: know it's a little different when you're in Buffalo, right Yeah.
Speaker 1: But I will say this, and Dave, I agree with you.
Speaker 1: I think any one of these four teams will be interesting.
Speaker 1: There are tons of storylines with all four of them.
Speaker 1: If they were to make the Super Bowl. I actually
Speaker 1: think there's gonna be an upset this week. I actually
Speaker 1: think Buffalo is gonna be Kansas City. Um, I think
Speaker 1: Buffalo is gonna end up in the school. They have
Speaker 1: been playing some really good football and offensively. Talk about
Speaker 1: a quarterback that can just do some amazing things. I
Speaker 1: know Pat Mahomes obviously can, and Aaron Rodgers obviously can.
Speaker 1: But what but what USh Allen is doing? Ushall am
Speaker 1: I getting done? I get all those Allens anyway, what
Speaker 1: Josh Allen is doing right now? And if you watch
Speaker 1: the way he plays, like literally the guy will just
Speaker 1: flick it his risk and the risk and the ball
Speaker 1: will go fifty yards down the field. He is an
Speaker 1: amazing I think young quarterback in this league and the
Speaker 1: way they're playing right now, I just had that feeling,
Speaker 1: like you know, sometimes teams get on these roles and
Speaker 1: it's just kind of part of their story like they're
Speaker 1: gonna win. I just kind of think that's gonna happen
Speaker 1: this year. And I think that you're gonna end up
Speaker 1: seeing Buffalo and Green Bay and the super Bowl. And
Speaker 1: we'll get to that pick next night. You have to
Speaker 1: know the quarterback's name if he's gonna beat Patrick. Okay,
Speaker 1: and you didn't know yet. The allans they all get used.
Speaker 1: There's so many alans like this. It gets me confused. Anyway, No,
Speaker 1: I don't want to see a home team. I don't
Speaker 1: want to see a home team. Yeah, he's playing. The
Speaker 1: thing about it is, if it were a knee, I'd
Speaker 1: be like, yeah, he's playing. It's it's a head injuries.
Speaker 1: And with head injuries then you know, you just it
Speaker 1: just that's not up to him. So we'll see. Anyway,
Speaker 1: We appreciate you guys. Jumps back. Next week we'll have
Speaker 1: a more taught on the Cowboys. We'll also talk a
Speaker 1: little bit about the NFL NFL when next week. Next Wednesday,
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