WEBVTT - Celebrating 7 years of Before Breakfast 0:00:02.960 --> 0:00:09.240 Welcome to Before Breakfast, a production of iHeartRadio. Good Morning. 0:00:10.560 --> 0:00:16.320 This is Laura. Welcome to the Before Breakfast podcast. Today's 0:00:16.320 --> 0:00:19.680 episode is going to be a slightly longer one, but 0:00:19.800 --> 0:00:23.920 instead of interviewing someone fascinating about how they take their 0:00:24.040 --> 0:00:27.840 days from great to awesome, I am going to be 0:00:27.960 --> 0:00:30.520 talking about some of the best tips I have heard 0:00:30.600 --> 0:00:33.280 over the years and that have been shared on Before 0:00:33.280 --> 0:00:37.239 Breakfast so all of us can make our days a 0:00:37.240 --> 0:00:43.239 little better. Before Breakfast launched in March of twenty nineteen, 0:00:44.240 --> 0:00:47.560 so this episode is celebrating seven years of the show. 0:00:48.720 --> 0:00:51.839 This is a daily podcast, and yes, there's been a 0:00:51.880 --> 0:00:55.960 new episode every weekday morning for the past seven years. 0:00:57.040 --> 0:00:59.440 That is a lot of episodes, and it is a 0:00:59.440 --> 0:01:03.319 lot of morning It's a lot of ideas on how 0:01:03.320 --> 0:01:07.720 to do life better. For the first five or so years, 0:01:07.800 --> 0:01:12.160 the show was only short episodes, approximately four to six 0:01:12.240 --> 0:01:16.680 minutes each. Then in late twenty twenty four, I began 0:01:16.800 --> 0:01:20.360 adding one interview episode a week so we could hear 0:01:20.440 --> 0:01:24.840 from other people about their expertise and their strategies. It's 0:01:24.880 --> 0:01:27.520 been fun for me to talk with all kinds of 0:01:27.560 --> 0:01:33.240 amazing people and to share these conversations with you. Anyway, 0:01:33.280 --> 0:01:35.440 today I'm going to be talking through some of my 0:01:35.600 --> 0:01:40.479 favorite ideas from the first year of the show. If 0:01:40.520 --> 0:01:42.920 you just joined us in the past year or so, 0:01:43.000 --> 0:01:46.600 I encourage you to go back through the archives see 0:01:46.600 --> 0:01:50.480 what you missed. But here is some very practical advice 0:01:50.920 --> 0:01:55.360 from twenty nineteen that I think still holds up now. 0:01:56.720 --> 0:02:01.720 For instance, on March twenty ninth, twenty nineteen, I suggested 0:02:01.800 --> 0:02:07.800 listeners plan something fun for Sunday nights. Even people who 0:02:08.000 --> 0:02:12.160 like their jobs can often feel a sense of trepidation 0:02:13.120 --> 0:02:18.800 those Sunday scaries by Sunday afternoon. One way to avoid 0:02:18.840 --> 0:02:22.240 those scaries is to plan in something you can anticipate 0:02:22.840 --> 0:02:26.280 for later in the weekend. After all, if you are 0:02:26.600 --> 0:02:29.760 meeting friends for dinner on Sunday night, you will be 0:02:29.840 --> 0:02:34.120 thinking about your dinner rather than Monday morning for much 0:02:34.360 --> 0:02:40.720 of Sunday afternoon, and that is a lot more fun. Yes, 0:02:41.000 --> 0:02:44.079 Sunday night is a school night, so you might want 0:02:44.120 --> 0:02:47.079 to do something simple and not plan on being out 0:02:47.080 --> 0:02:51.720 too late. But there is no reason to lose Sunday 0:02:52.280 --> 0:02:58.600 mentally to Monday. Enjoy every second of Sunday that you can. 0:03:00.360 --> 0:03:04.360 Here's another twenty nineteen idea that is related to weekends. 0:03:05.320 --> 0:03:09.799 On May third, twenty nineteen, I did an episode saying 0:03:10.360 --> 0:03:15.520 don't grocery shop on weekends. Now, I know, I know 0:03:16.160 --> 0:03:18.640 that really feels like the time it fits for a 0:03:18.639 --> 0:03:22.320 lot of people with full time jobs. But grocery stores 0:03:22.400 --> 0:03:26.600 are often very busy on weekends since everybody shops in, 0:03:27.520 --> 0:03:30.119 so it will take a lot of time to get 0:03:30.160 --> 0:03:34.160 in and get out and battle the crowds. Grocery shopping 0:03:34.240 --> 0:03:39.240 on weekends also reinforces the idea that weekends are for 0:03:39.640 --> 0:03:43.600 chores and errands. But are they? I think it might 0:03:43.640 --> 0:03:46.680 be wise to keep the focus on family time and 0:03:46.760 --> 0:03:51.200 rejuvenating leisure. Maybe chores and errands can be done during 0:03:51.240 --> 0:03:55.920 the week when you are already in work mode. A 0:03:55.920 --> 0:03:59.760 lot of grocery stores are open late. If you've got 0:03:59.800 --> 0:04:04.720 a fly, maybe one parent does bedtime and the other 0:04:05.360 --> 0:04:08.880 goes out grocery shopping. Or if you work from home 0:04:08.920 --> 0:04:11.440 on occasion, maybe you could use what would have been 0:04:11.440 --> 0:04:15.800 the commute time someday to shop. The shopping will take 0:04:15.960 --> 0:04:18.720 less time during the week than during the madness of 0:04:18.760 --> 0:04:22.760 a Saturday afternoon, and you will be able to use 0:04:22.800 --> 0:04:29.839 the weekends for other things. On June sixth, twenty nineteen, 0:04:30.600 --> 0:04:36.520 the before Breakfast tip was to schedule a mental health morning. Now. 0:04:36.560 --> 0:04:40.120 This was a listener's suggestion. Someone noted that it was 0:04:40.160 --> 0:04:42.440 often hard to take a full day of PTO if 0:04:42.440 --> 0:04:45.840 you had various responsibilities, and when people do take PTO, 0:04:45.960 --> 0:04:49.080 they often want to use it for longer vacations. But 0:04:49.320 --> 0:04:52.440 it might be possible to take half a day off 0:04:53.080 --> 0:04:57.680 and use that time for something restorative. For instance, if 0:04:57.680 --> 0:05:00.360 you had a dentist appointment at eleven am, you might 0:05:00.520 --> 0:05:04.560 purposefully take the morning off until then and do something 0:05:04.600 --> 0:05:10.240 that would soothe your soul, reading hobbies, maybe seeing a 0:05:10.279 --> 0:05:14.360 friend with some flexibility in their schedule. Even a little 0:05:14.400 --> 0:05:17.560 break can go a long way toward making life feel 0:05:17.600 --> 0:05:21.919 more sustainable. If you schedule your mental health morning and 0:05:22.120 --> 0:05:24.440 for a week or two ahead of time, then you 0:05:24.440 --> 0:05:28.480 can look forward to it, and I believe that anticipation 0:05:29.440 --> 0:05:32.960 is one of the best forms of self care out there. 0:05:34.760 --> 0:05:39.360 In that same vein of taking small breaks, on June twelfth, 0:05:39.400 --> 0:05:43.599 twenty nineteen, we talked about how Wednesday is the best 0:05:43.680 --> 0:05:47.200 day to work from home now. This episode aired long 0:05:47.240 --> 0:05:51.040 before COVID, when working from home became a lot more common. 0:05:51.760 --> 0:05:55.880 Yes before Breakfast was around before the pandemic. Back in 0:05:55.920 --> 0:05:59.039 twenty nineteen, people were writing whole think pieces on the 0:05:59.080 --> 0:06:01.760 angst of negotiation to work from home just one day 0:06:01.800 --> 0:06:06.320 a week. Then, as now, the most common day people 0:06:06.360 --> 0:06:10.240 would ask for was Friday, And on some level it 0:06:10.320 --> 0:06:14.279 makes sense, as Fridays tend to be slower, people thought 0:06:14.320 --> 0:06:18.920 their managers would be most likely to approve Fridays as well, 0:06:19.160 --> 0:06:21.680 people often work less on Fridays, or maybe leave a 0:06:21.760 --> 0:06:26.920 little bit earlier, and so the perceived opportunity cost is lower. 0:06:27.640 --> 0:06:30.720 But the problem is that buys into the idea that 0:06:31.200 --> 0:06:35.320 people who are working from home aren't really working. Choosing 0:06:35.360 --> 0:06:39.360 Friday just limits the damage. Now you and I both 0:06:39.480 --> 0:06:42.839 know this isn't true. Many of us work quite hard 0:06:43.040 --> 0:06:47.479 from home. So I suggested that people consider negotiating to 0:06:47.520 --> 0:06:52.320 work from home on Wednesdays. That way, if you have 0:06:52.360 --> 0:06:55.240 a long commute, you will only have to do it 0:06:55.720 --> 0:07:00.000 twice in a row. Wednesday provides a nice mid way 0:07:00.040 --> 0:07:04.360 week break from the usual routines. You could use Wednesday 0:07:04.440 --> 0:07:07.840 to hunker down and work on all the deliverables coming 0:07:07.880 --> 0:07:11.040 out of the meetings on the other days. I'm not 0:07:11.040 --> 0:07:13.520 sure how many people took me up on this idea 0:07:13.560 --> 0:07:16.600 to negotiate to work from home on Wednesday, but I 0:07:16.640 --> 0:07:20.360 still think it's a good one. So We're going to 0:07:20.440 --> 0:07:23.000 take a quick ad break and then I will be 0:07:23.080 --> 0:07:27.600 back with some more historic Before Breakfast ideas from the 0:07:27.640 --> 0:07:38.120 first year. Well we are back. I am sharing some 0:07:38.240 --> 0:07:41.600 of my favorite tips from the first year of Before 0:07:41.680 --> 0:07:48.040 Breakfast as we celebrate the show's seventh anniversary. So, speaking 0:07:48.120 --> 0:07:50.760 of dealing with long commutes, as we were talking about 0:07:50.800 --> 0:07:55.360 before the break on July tenth of twenty nineteen, I 0:07:55.400 --> 0:08:00.720 suggested people try to commute with a friend. Not every day, 0:08:00.760 --> 0:08:04.320 of course, but given how much people hate their commutes 0:08:05.080 --> 0:08:07.240 and how many people say they wish they could see 0:08:07.240 --> 0:08:11.160 their friends more, I am surprised at how little this 0:08:11.280 --> 0:08:16.640 actually happens. For a lot of people. Commuting time is 0:08:16.720 --> 0:08:23.160 almost entirely wasted. Turning it into relationship building time would 0:08:23.200 --> 0:08:28.280 massively upgrade the experience. Now, I know that carpooling involves 0:08:28.320 --> 0:08:33.199 a fair amount of planning and coordination, not everyone lives 0:08:33.240 --> 0:08:38.040 near each other or works in similar places. Even for 0:08:38.160 --> 0:08:40.760 people who do live near each other or even live 0:08:40.800 --> 0:08:44.240 with each other and who work near each other, it 0:08:44.360 --> 0:08:48.000 might be a little inconvenient. It might add a few 0:08:48.040 --> 0:08:52.120 minutes onto the trip. You might lose a sense of 0:08:52.360 --> 0:08:59.199 absolute flexibility on when you can leave. But what an upside. 0:08:59.400 --> 0:09:03.200 If a friend, their family member, or partner works anywhere 0:09:03.280 --> 0:09:06.319 near you, it would be worth trying even just one 0:09:06.400 --> 0:09:09.199 day a week or one day every two weeks as 0:09:09.240 --> 0:09:12.600 a way to reclaim a few minutes and make something 0:09:12.640 --> 0:09:18.760 that is not fun feel a lot more fun. On 0:09:18.880 --> 0:09:22.400 July twenty fifth of twenty nineteen, our Before Breakfast episodes 0:09:22.440 --> 0:09:27.200 suggested that people read at lunch. When people take a 0:09:27.280 --> 0:09:31.360 lunch break, the temptation is often to read headlines or 0:09:31.600 --> 0:09:34.640 scroll around on social media if they're not with somebody else, 0:09:35.400 --> 0:09:40.160 and it feels kind of relaxing. But reading a real 0:09:40.520 --> 0:09:45.199 book would feel even more indulgent. And this reading time 0:09:45.920 --> 0:09:50.000 does add up. If you read for fifteen minutes at 0:09:50.120 --> 0:09:54.320 lunch five times a week, that's another one point two 0:09:54.480 --> 0:09:58.160 five hours of reading per week. A lot of books 0:09:58.240 --> 0:10:01.960 take about three to four to read, so if you 0:10:02.000 --> 0:10:05.320 do the math, that's like adding another book every three 0:10:05.320 --> 0:10:08.400 to four weeks right there. That gives you an extra 0:10:08.840 --> 0:10:13.360 fourteen to seventeen extra books per year without really giving 0:10:13.640 --> 0:10:17.040 anything up. That certainly sounds like a win to me. 0:10:18.400 --> 0:10:23.320 Instead of losing time in general to small things, collecting 0:10:23.360 --> 0:10:27.120 these bits of time ephemera and focusing them on one 0:10:27.200 --> 0:10:33.520 thing can make life feel a lot more fulfilling. On 0:10:33.559 --> 0:10:37.640 August twelfth of twenty nineteen, a listener suggested a hack 0:10:37.679 --> 0:10:40.880 which became an episode called Create a Better to Do List. 0:10:41.920 --> 0:10:45.360 The idea was to give all tasks on your to 0:10:45.400 --> 0:10:50.000 do list an actual time. The basic idea here is 0:10:50.040 --> 0:10:54.480 that tasks take time, so if there is not a 0:10:54.520 --> 0:10:58.760 designated time to do the tasks, they are probably not 0:10:58.920 --> 0:11:03.040 going to happen. This is a very simple idea, but 0:11:03.080 --> 0:11:07.080 it is so true, and so many people try to 0:11:07.120 --> 0:11:10.439 ignore it. They put things on the to do list 0:11:10.480 --> 0:11:13.520 with no available time to do them, and then get 0:11:13.559 --> 0:11:18.520 frustrated when they don't make it through their to do list. Now, 0:11:18.559 --> 0:11:21.640 some of us have reasonably flexible jobs and so we 0:11:21.679 --> 0:11:24.840 don't have to be quite as rigid about exact times 0:11:24.840 --> 0:11:27.240 for everything on our to do lists. But if you 0:11:27.280 --> 0:11:29.720 do happen to have a job or a situation where 0:11:29.760 --> 0:11:32.880 time is tight, as you are making your to do 0:11:32.960 --> 0:11:37.080 list for the next day, figure out when you will 0:11:37.120 --> 0:11:41.600 do each task, where on your calendar will it go. 0:11:43.200 --> 0:11:46.120 Maybe you will need to move things around, or maybe 0:11:46.120 --> 0:11:48.599 you will need to limit your to do list. You 0:11:48.720 --> 0:11:51.400 might have to make some hard choices, but you know 0:11:52.080 --> 0:11:56.080 that is not a bad thing. Choices lead to a 0:11:56.120 --> 0:12:03.320 to do list that is actually doable. On September twenty three, 0:12:03.840 --> 0:12:09.160 twenty nineteen, I suggested something that could make email more fun. 0:12:10.440 --> 0:12:15.080 Reach out to someone you admire. If someone has done 0:12:15.120 --> 0:12:19.360 something cool in the world, send them an email and 0:12:19.440 --> 0:12:21.280 let them know that you thought it was cool or 0:12:21.400 --> 0:12:24.560 if it had an impact on you. Now, if the 0:12:24.600 --> 0:12:28.439 particular person is really well known or famous, they might 0:12:28.480 --> 0:12:32.400 not respond, but a lot of these emails do in 0:12:32.440 --> 0:12:37.200 fact get read. You will feel good sending it, and 0:12:37.280 --> 0:12:41.240 most likely the person will feel good reading it, or 0:12:41.240 --> 0:12:43.600 at least someone on the person's team will feel good 0:12:44.080 --> 0:12:47.440 knowing that they are doing good in the world. There's 0:12:47.520 --> 0:12:53.160 really no downside. This is true for sending positive emails 0:12:53.200 --> 0:12:57.199 in general. Let an old friend or colleague know your 0:12:57.240 --> 0:13:00.880 thinking about them. I'm guessing that you couldn't mind getting 0:13:00.880 --> 0:13:04.320 a similar email from someone else, so that can be 0:13:04.360 --> 0:13:09.520 your guiding principle for whether to send these things. On 0:13:09.559 --> 0:13:13.360 September twenty sixth, twenty nineteen, I shared one of my 0:13:13.480 --> 0:13:17.440 favorite suggestions for how people with young kids can have 0:13:17.559 --> 0:13:23.760 more real leisure time. Give each parent one night off. 0:13:25.200 --> 0:13:27.280 The idea is that if you are in a two 0:13:27.320 --> 0:13:29.920 parent family, or at least your co parenting with someone, 0:13:30.480 --> 0:13:33.120 each of you gets one night off from caregiving duties 0:13:33.640 --> 0:13:36.600 to go do something that is not work and is 0:13:36.640 --> 0:13:40.600 not taking care of family members, but is fun for you. 0:13:42.000 --> 0:13:44.160 For instance, maybe one of you sings an a choir 0:13:44.200 --> 0:13:47.200 on Tuesdays and the other person plays in a pickleball 0:13:47.280 --> 0:13:51.280 league on Thursdays. The kids are still with a parent 0:13:51.360 --> 0:13:54.600 on each of these nights, but each parent gets to 0:13:54.679 --> 0:13:59.160 feel like a full person, maybe even keeping up with 0:13:59.280 --> 0:14:03.320 interests they have from before kids. A lot of parents 0:14:03.320 --> 0:14:07.320 feel like they have no time for fun, but I 0:14:07.400 --> 0:14:11.599 find that many times people aren't using all the resources 0:14:11.800 --> 0:14:16.720 that are available to them. Your co parent is a resource, 0:14:17.840 --> 0:14:22.960 and you have a joint pool of hours. Each of 0:14:23.000 --> 0:14:26.000 you can take some time for you, as long as 0:14:26.040 --> 0:14:30.360 you trade off and keep it fair. Now, I know 0:14:30.560 --> 0:14:33.680 all families don't look like this, but maybe you could 0:14:33.720 --> 0:14:36.120 swap nights with someone else in your life to take 0:14:36.120 --> 0:14:39.960 a night for you. A friend, a neighbor, an extended 0:14:40.000 --> 0:14:46.040 family member. I'm betting that it can still work. We're 0:14:46.040 --> 0:14:48.640 going to take one more quick ad break and then 0:14:48.640 --> 0:15:00.200 I will be back with some more historic Before Breakfast advice. Well, 0:15:00.240 --> 0:15:03.880 I am back talking ideas from the first year of 0:15:03.920 --> 0:15:10.800 Before Breakfast as we celebrate this show's seventh anniversary on 0:15:10.840 --> 0:15:16.360 October eighth, twenty nineteen. I suggested that listeners become a 0:15:16.440 --> 0:15:21.560 regular somewhere. A lot of people feel disconnected these days, 0:15:22.360 --> 0:15:25.640 maybe even a little bit lonely. It's good to go 0:15:25.760 --> 0:15:29.840 somewhere where everybody knows your name, as they sang in 0:15:29.880 --> 0:15:33.920 the theme song for Cheers. If you and your family 0:15:34.000 --> 0:15:36.800 like to go out to eat twice a month, maybe 0:15:36.840 --> 0:15:39.280 you make a point of going to the same restaurant 0:15:39.320 --> 0:15:41.480 for one of those times, so you eat at the 0:15:41.520 --> 0:15:44.600 same place twelve times a year and you get to 0:15:44.680 --> 0:15:48.080 know the establishment. Or maybe you always go to the 0:15:48.120 --> 0:15:52.240 same bar with your pickleball league after your games. Maybe 0:15:52.280 --> 0:15:55.560 you and your running buddy stop at the same coffee 0:15:55.560 --> 0:16:00.120 shop for coffee after your run every Saturday morning, and 0:16:00.160 --> 0:16:02.000 so you get to know the people who work there 0:16:02.040 --> 0:16:05.120 at that time and the regulars who are also getting 0:16:05.160 --> 0:16:11.080 their coffee. You can learn people's names. You could say hello, 0:16:11.560 --> 0:16:14.360 and even though you don't have a close relationship with 0:16:14.400 --> 0:16:18.800 these people, you'll feel like someone in the universe knows 0:16:18.840 --> 0:16:24.040 about you and knows you exist. Plus, you develop favorites 0:16:24.080 --> 0:16:26.680 that you could start to tell others about and have 0:16:26.840 --> 0:16:30.600 some knowledge here everyone likes the guacamole at that particular 0:16:30.640 --> 0:16:36.000 Mexican place. You know, that sort of thing. On December sixth, 0:16:36.160 --> 0:16:40.600 twenty nineteen, we talked about the wisdom of trying forty 0:16:40.680 --> 0:16:44.800 minute meetings. There is no real reason that meetings have 0:16:44.880 --> 0:16:49.120 to default to thirty or sixty minutes. If you might 0:16:49.200 --> 0:16:53.240 be tempted to schedule something for an hour, see if 0:16:53.240 --> 0:16:57.040 you can construct the agenda to be done in forty 0:16:57.040 --> 0:17:01.800 minutes instead. This leaves time for making sure everyone is 0:17:01.920 --> 0:17:05.160 clear on all the next steps, and maybe even doing 0:17:05.240 --> 0:17:07.480 some of those next steps. You can send those emails 0:17:07.560 --> 0:17:10.680 right then. This also lets people go to the bathroom 0:17:10.840 --> 0:17:13.600 or get a cup of coffee and get to their 0:17:13.640 --> 0:17:18.359 next meeting on time. One of the reasons people often 0:17:18.400 --> 0:17:22.159 feel frantic or so behind during the workday is that 0:17:22.200 --> 0:17:27.840 we often don't build in time for transitions. But even 0:17:27.840 --> 0:17:32.040 if you are meeting virtually and not in person, transitions 0:17:32.040 --> 0:17:37.680 don't take zero time. They do take sometime build them 0:17:37.720 --> 0:17:41.920 in and everyone will be a lot more calm and 0:17:42.440 --> 0:17:48.719 a lot happier. Finally, on December sixteenth, I suggested that 0:17:48.840 --> 0:17:55.119 busy people make mornings into family time. Sometimes the time 0:17:55.280 --> 0:17:59.520 after work can be hard to use well. People are tired. 0:18:00.600 --> 0:18:02.560 Young kids might need to go to bed on the 0:18:02.600 --> 0:18:04.960 early side, which limits how much you can see them then. 0:18:05.960 --> 0:18:09.440 But from my experience, many young kids also wake up 0:18:09.840 --> 0:18:13.239 at the crack of dawn. If your kid is up 0:18:13.280 --> 0:18:16.600 at let's say five thirty am, and you don't need 0:18:16.600 --> 0:18:20.560 to leave for work until eight thirty am, this is 0:18:20.760 --> 0:18:24.679 three hours you could potentially be spending together, and my 0:18:24.760 --> 0:18:27.919 guess is you don't need all of it for getting ready. 0:18:29.440 --> 0:18:32.320 With a few exceptions, whatever playing you would have done 0:18:32.320 --> 0:18:36.120 in the evening can be done in the morning. Yep, 0:18:36.160 --> 0:18:38.040 you can go to a playground at seven thirty in 0:18:38.040 --> 0:18:41.000 the morning if you like, even if you don't have 0:18:41.080 --> 0:18:45.480 little kids. Trying a family breakfast or building in enough 0:18:45.520 --> 0:18:48.199 time into a morning to talk with your partner or 0:18:48.640 --> 0:18:52.239 talk with your teenage children can make mornings feel a 0:18:52.240 --> 0:18:56.080 lot more satisfying. They don't just need to be about 0:18:56.200 --> 0:18:59.679 racing out the door. We can take our days from 0:18:59.760 --> 0:19:03.240 g to awesome by being more mindful of the time 0:19:03.240 --> 0:19:12.040 that already exists and moving our mindset from surviving to thriving. Anyway, 0:19:12.119 --> 0:19:15.199 those are some of my favorite tips from the first 0:19:15.440 --> 0:19:19.360 year of the show. Thank you so much for listening 0:19:19.359 --> 0:19:22.320 to Before Breakfast. It has been a great seven years 0:19:22.359 --> 0:19:25.440 since March of twenty nineteen, and I hope you will 0:19:25.480 --> 0:19:29.399 continue to tune in every morning for more tips on 0:19:29.520 --> 0:19:34.480 taking days from great to awesome. What have been your 0:19:34.560 --> 0:19:38.639 favorite episodes of Before Breakfast? You can let me know 0:19:38.840 --> 0:19:40.679 or let me know any feedback and what you'd like 0:19:40.720 --> 0:19:47.360 to see more of at Laura at Laura vandercam dot com. 0:19:47.480 --> 0:19:53.639 In the meantime, this is Laura. Thanks for listening, and 0:19:53.760 --> 0:20:03.840 here's to making the most of our time. Thanks for 0:20:03.920 --> 0:20:08.680 listening to Before Breakfast. If you've got questions, ideas, or feedback, 0:20:09.000 --> 0:20:18.360 you can reach me at Laura at Laura vandercam dot com. 0:20:18.440 --> 0:20:22.520 Before Breakfast is a production of iHeartMedia. 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