Speaker 1: What's up everybody.
Speaker 2: Welcome to season five of The Freddy and Jeffrey Show.
Speaker 2: Wrestling with Friends is back. It's not the Freddie and
Speaker 2: Jeffrey Show. And we don't have any jingle there, like, yeah, look,
Speaker 2: I got a raise, so I paid for a new
Speaker 2: jingle and that's where all the money went.
Speaker 3: And now your main event introducing the hosts are Wrestling
Speaker 3: Win Freddy chefde and Freddy Friends tune.
Speaker 2: Welcome back, everybody. Thanks for supporting us for five years now.
Speaker 2: We really really appreciate that this weekend. Last weekend was
Speaker 2: WrestleMania weekend.
Speaker 4: We get two nights of it now and half for
Speaker 4: a few years now. I think three. Is this the
Speaker 4: third year they've done it like that?
Speaker 1: Yeah, but they're go ahead SummerSlam two nights, is what
Speaker 1: I'm hearing. Do you think that's a good idea.
Speaker 2: I don't think More wrestling is a bad thing, And
Speaker 2: they're in a position where they can afford to make mistakes,
Speaker 2: so even if it is a mistake, they just won't
Speaker 2: do it again, and they're not gonna go out of business,
Speaker 2: so they can afford to experiment and try things out,
Speaker 2: which is always good for wrestling. But Jeff, We're gonna
Speaker 2: talk about the whole show, but before we do, you
Speaker 2: got to be in Las Vegas, the city where I
Speaker 2: have many friends, where I have some family, A lot
Speaker 2: of people that I love are in Las Vegas, and
Speaker 2: I wanted to be there. I almost went with an
Speaker 2: actor buddy of mine, but he wasn't able to go,
Speaker 2: and my wife booked a movie, so I have to
Speaker 2: stay and watch the kids while she goes and kicks
Speaker 2: ass on that. And I can't even say it yet
Speaker 2: because it's not announced yet, but yeah, you got to
Speaker 2: be on our man on the scene, our man in
Speaker 2: the streets, and you got to not just be there,
Speaker 2: but you got to freaking hang out too, and just
Speaker 2: be a dude with other dudes that happen to wrestle
Speaker 2: in a professional ring. So tell everybody about your experience,
Speaker 2: and I don't care how long it takes.
Speaker 1: Go ahead, I'll keep it short. Night one and Night
Speaker 1: two wrestling in Las Vegas is was pretty awesome. Wrestling
Speaker 1: fans are great. I'm just like, every time I go
Speaker 1: to one of those things, I'm just like, I love
Speaker 1: wrestling fans so much, just like, even when they're doing
Speaker 1: something that makes me like roll my eyes and chuckle
Speaker 1: like it's constant. Like it's just constant. I'm like, I
Speaker 1: love these people. It's such a funny fan base and
Speaker 1: a great fan base and a loyal fan base, and
Speaker 1: they'll buy everything and anything like they're just the greatest fans.
Speaker 1: And I had a great time just being a fan.
Speaker 1: Night one, I was like eight rows back when and
Speaker 1: when you're not on the floor, eight roses kind of far,
Speaker 1: so it was kind of hard to see. And I
Speaker 1: always go like, let's say you guys didn't get a
Speaker 1: chance to go to WrestleMania. Let's say like you weren't
Speaker 1: one of the sixty three thousand people in attendance. If
Speaker 1: those numbers are real, you did it right. You know
Speaker 1: you watched it on pay per view or you watched
Speaker 1: it on Peacock Like that that guts. I think that's
Speaker 1: the way to do it, because I want to hear
Speaker 1: Michael Cole, I want to hear hear Pat McAfee, I
Speaker 1: want to hear way Beart, And so you know, when
Speaker 1: you're there, you don't get the commentary. You just hear
Speaker 1: the real loud Matt slamming, and you get to brag
Speaker 1: that you're there and you do get to be with
Speaker 1: the other great wrestling fans. But I think you did
Speaker 1: it right if you stay at home. Night one I
Speaker 1: was like in Row eight, but not on the floor,
Speaker 1: but just in the one hundred level. And then a
Speaker 1: night two I was in Stone called Steve Austin's suite.
Speaker 1: Now another part you might go, well, that's fun, right, Jeff,
Speaker 1: the suite. But here's the problem with wrestling or like
Speaker 1: WWE or TKO or whoever's in charge. When me and
Speaker 1: you went to WrestleMania, Freddy and we had a suite,
Speaker 1: and when we when I went to Steve Austin's suite
Speaker 1: on night two, WW for some reason won't let them
Speaker 1: put the feed of the of the program in into
Speaker 1: any of the monitors. So if you get a suite
Speaker 1: for a sporting event, you have all these TVs also
Speaker 1: playing the thing, but wrestling doesn't do that. So when
Speaker 1: you go wait in line for a hot dog or
Speaker 1: a sandwich or a pizza, you don't even get to
Speaker 1: see the action of what's going on because wrestling doesn't
Speaker 1: have it on any of the TVs. So that's also
Speaker 1: terrible in my opinion. So if you stayed home and
Speaker 1: watched it for on Peacock. You did it right. You
Speaker 1: did the right thing this. I was at both nights
Speaker 1: of WrestleMania, and I still came home and watched all
Speaker 1: the matches on my iPath because I wanted to hear
Speaker 1: the commentary. I wanted those great shots that wrestling does.
Speaker 1: I wanted to see all the things I missed because
Speaker 1: someone's talking to me or people are making jokes around me.
Speaker 1: So if you could do both experiences like I did,
Speaker 1: I would recommend that. But I think you did it
Speaker 1: right if you watched it on Peacock.
Speaker 2: The commentary was so great and all three men were
Speaker 2: Wade Barrett, Pat McAfee and Michael Cole did such a
Speaker 2: great job in helping tell the stories that the wrestlers
Speaker 2: were trying to tell in there. I love commentary so much,
Speaker 2: whether it's the UFC, regardless of the crew they put together.
Speaker 2: I really enjoy all the all the different crews they
Speaker 2: have there. When it's WWE, I love it. Sometimes in
Speaker 2: WW they get it wrong right, like they've done the
Speaker 2: Mike Adamleys of the world when he came in and
Speaker 2: like didn't know people's names and didn't know the moves.
Speaker 4: Tough, and it was It was tough.
Speaker 2: I was the guy that had to basically fire him
Speaker 2: or let him know he was getting read when I
Speaker 2: worked there. Yeah, I had to give him the segment
Speaker 2: where he slapped Randy across the face and he goes, well,
Speaker 2: wait a minute, if I strike a wrestler, I would
Speaker 2: wouldn't I be like fired? And I was like, oh, well, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm just the guy bringing you the news.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're also allowed to flirt with anyone at work
Speaker 1: you want now, because you're not going to be here tomorrow,
Speaker 1: so go ahead and just break all the rule.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 2: I did not advise him to do that, but yeah, man,
Speaker 2: the commentary was phenomenal. They've got such a great thing
Speaker 2: going with McAfee and Michael Cole, and their chemistry and
Speaker 2: their kind of mutual respect and love for one another
Speaker 2: is so evident, and they just let it flow. And
Speaker 2: this was never This was never a thing when I
Speaker 2: worked there, Jeff, It just didn't. Vince had handcuffs on people,
Speaker 2: and Vince sometimes he had good notes too, but with commentary,
Speaker 2: they were handcuffed and they had to just call the
Speaker 2: match and use only the words that he allows them
Speaker 2: to use. As far as describing the match and the
Speaker 2: moves and the wrestlers that are in the ring, and
Speaker 2: on top of that, he would then tell them what
Speaker 2: to say on there, and you could just feel how
Speaker 2: tight it was. So often and people go, Michael Cole
Speaker 2: sucks and talk trash. Michael Cole doesn't suck. He didn't,
Speaker 2: then he doesn't now. But now to see with Triple
Speaker 2: H back there and you can really kind of just
Speaker 2: tell they're doing their thing like it is awesome and
Speaker 2: the commentary is them fantastic? Yeah, dude, yes, let them cook.
Speaker 2: So they did a great job. But we're not here
Speaker 2: just to talk about the commentators. We're here to talk
Speaker 2: about professional wrestling, major news, Jeff. It means one less
Speaker 2: indie promotion available to purchase.
Speaker 4: But that's okay.
Speaker 2: Yes, de has purchased or acquired Triple A Luta Libre.
Speaker 2: They're going to do a great job with it. They've
Speaker 2: got Vi Kingo, who is the friggin' man. Yeah, they're
Speaker 2: gonna crush. They've got a lot.
Speaker 1: To explain to our listeners and to your co host,
Speaker 1: Jeff Dye. What does it mean that they've bought this?
Speaker 1: Does that mean Triple A which I'm a member, by
Speaker 1: the way, shout out to that. Does that mean that
Speaker 1: they're that's not going to be the name anymore? And
Speaker 1: now those people are just in WWE or like what
Speaker 1: like what does it mean?
Speaker 2: So legally they could change it if they wanted to.
Speaker 2: I don't believe they will. I think they'll keep it
Speaker 2: under the same banner the way they kind of let
Speaker 2: evolve standard It's banner with their TV deal on tob
Speaker 2: and well, this one of.
Speaker 4: Triple A will probably go to eventually. I don't know.
Speaker 2: They'll probably just pull from it and allow it to
Speaker 2: be a farm system, like a Ring of Honor type thing.
Speaker 2: But they have some really interesting characters in Triple A,
Speaker 2: much more like old school Carnie type characters, like Origin
Speaker 2: of Wrestling. It's great for that company, for Dorian and
Speaker 2: all of them down there. I wish them nothing but
Speaker 2: but tons of success, and their wrestlers are going to
Speaker 2: have an opportunity to get seen all over the freaking
Speaker 2: world now on a grand scale. And like I said,
Speaker 2: they got some interesting characters. I was taking a peek
Speaker 2: at them last year when I had aspirations of doing this,
Speaker 2: and they've got a really cool roster man, and they're
Speaker 2: they're funky, and it's really old school and and they've
Speaker 2: got some some living legends right now. Like if you
Speaker 2: haven't seen the King Goo wrestle, go check out. He
Speaker 2: did some AEW matches and was phenomenal. But check out
Speaker 2: his triple A stuff. It's it's freaking If you like
Speaker 2: lucha libre, it's next level.
Speaker 4: And his look is gangster.
Speaker 2: He looks like one of the Vikings from the Viking Show,
Speaker 2: but a little one because he's a little dude who
Speaker 2: can flip all over the place.
Speaker 1: If you know me, you know that I love Mexican wrestling. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's like my favorite thing. There's the Big Five, right,
Speaker 1: I don't know what the big four of the Big
Speaker 1: five wrestling is America, Pacific, Islanders, Hawaii, Japan because that's
Speaker 1: a huge part of wrestling, the Canadians, and then there's Mexico.
Speaker 1: And in Mexico is by far my favorite style of wrestling.
Speaker 1: Our producer said that it's probably there's a chance it
Speaker 1: could be rebranded as like NXT Mexico, which I would
Speaker 1: be such a fan of. But any more luchadors in WB,
Speaker 1: I say, sign them all, sign them all up.
Speaker 4: Let's get in some matches.
Speaker 2: Night one World Heavyweight Championship Goonther the Champ versus jay
Speaker 2: Uso the Challenger. A long time ago, over a year ago,
Speaker 2: I was on I think it was Bully Ray's podcast
Speaker 2: maybe what was that called Busted Open Radio, and they
Speaker 2: were asking me of the like the upcoming next gen
Speaker 2: who I thought was gonna be like the next star,
Speaker 2: and I said jay Uso. And this was still like
Speaker 2: when he was in the Bloodline and you and I
Speaker 2: were talking about his acting, and I thought his acting
Speaker 2: was getting really good, and the way he was sort
Speaker 2: of having a hard time choosing between what was right
Speaker 2: and wrong and his own morality within the morality of
Speaker 2: the Bloodline, I thought was super interesting. And to see
Speaker 2: him sort of go from that to literally changing the
Speaker 2: what chant to a yeat chant and making a negative
Speaker 2: thing a positive thing. I don't know how he did it.
Speaker 2: I don't know if he knows how he did it,
Speaker 2: but he fucking did it. And that's a powerful thing
Speaker 2: to have that kind of manipulation over an entire crowd,
Speaker 2: and it's all come to fruition. He is the champ,
Speaker 2: he gets the singles run, the crowd loves his promos.
Speaker 2: They love being a part of the show. That's what
Speaker 2: wrestling fans love. They love being a part of the
Speaker 2: show that they can actually affect what's going on. That's
Speaker 2: a powerful thing. It doesn't exist in Broadway as much, right,
Speaker 2: Like you're expected to sort of sit there, shut up
Speaker 2: and enjoy the show, right, But in wrestling, it's a
Speaker 2: different experience. It's like going to the Rocky Horror Picture
Speaker 2: Show and throwing toast at the screen when they say
Speaker 2: a toast. Or now at the Minecraft movie where the
Speaker 2: kids are going bananas. Yeah, right, like that that's the
Speaker 2: wrestling interaction. They crave that, they want that. And this
Speaker 2: was such a payoff in the same way that like
Speaker 2: Jeff Hardy was such a payoff to the fans.
Speaker 4: This is such a payoff to the fans.
Speaker 2: For believing in this dude, for buying his merch, for
Speaker 2: getting behind his promos, getting behind his matches. And I
Speaker 2: was just so happy to see this win. And Gunther's
Speaker 2: the frigging man. Like all his matches just look brutal.
Speaker 2: By the way, almost all the matches that we saw
Speaker 2: looked like real fights. I thought like they were, like, yo,
Speaker 2: we're going hard today.
Speaker 4: Tomorrow. We're gonna hurt, but we're going.
Speaker 2: Hard today because it was like beast Mode times ten
Speaker 2: out there. But that match was so good. It was
Speaker 2: a great way to open the show. And I friggin
Speaker 2: loved jay Us, so I hope that you love this too.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you like Jay as much as
Speaker 2: I do, but I love this match.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I will say, and this could be
Speaker 1: just you know, this is just me speaking freely here.
Speaker 1: I feel like they did a terrible job of leading
Speaker 1: up to this. I wasn't crazy excited for jay Usso
Speaker 1: versus Gunther. I think that they could have given it
Speaker 1: a lot more. Just that's my personal opinion. I also
Speaker 1: am just not on the Jay usso as as the guy,
Speaker 1: like I'm not like, I don't see him as the
Speaker 1: guy I love him with these talents. No shame on
Speaker 1: Jay usso big big fan. But you know, you can't
Speaker 1: just give yourself the Moniker main event Jay. I mean, also,
Speaker 1: you're opening, you're the opener. We made main event Jay
Speaker 1: open the thing that open Jays So I wasn't crazy
Speaker 1: into it, but the actual match opening up the thing.
Speaker 1: Everyone excited. There is there is a real buzz when
Speaker 1: he came out, like as far as like, there's just
Speaker 1: an energy that he brought. So it was a really
Speaker 1: good way to start the show. And I didn't care
Speaker 1: about the match till the match started, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like, usually you care leading all the way
Speaker 1: up to WrestleMania, and then when I did, I didn't
Speaker 1: care at all. But then when the match started, it
Speaker 1: was a good match, and I actually really enjoyed it
Speaker 1: when I was watching it, and I liked it, but
Speaker 1: a little too little too late for me.
Speaker 2: I like when they look like fight scenes in movies,
Speaker 2: and they had like a lot of parts in there
Speaker 2: that look that looked like fight scenes, and that's that's
Speaker 2: Those are my favorite types of matches.
Speaker 1: What's next for Gunther?
Speaker 4: Do you think?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 2: Not everyone can be pushed at the same time, right,
Speaker 2: And I think now more than ever, these guys and
Speaker 2: girls understand and know that. And there's less ego than
Speaker 2: back in the old days, right when you could kind
Speaker 2: of like hold hold Vince hostage at a pay per
Speaker 2: view and say no, I want an extra hundred grand
Speaker 2: or I'm not wrestling. Like those days are done. People's
Speaker 2: egos have to be more in check and balance. Now,
Speaker 2: I'm not saying everyone's is, but they they have to
Speaker 2: be more tempered than what they once were. So I
Speaker 2: think people understand and can do business much more easily
Speaker 2: now than before. Although I'm sure there's still you know,
Speaker 2: issues out there, but this, this wasn't one of them.
Speaker 4: Gunther just that guy.
Speaker 2: I don't know what's next for him, but I don't care,
Speaker 2: Like I'll watch he's super he's super good. And yeah
Speaker 2: it's funny, like my great grandma was from Austria, right,
Speaker 2: I don't know if Gunther's actually from Austria, if he's
Speaker 2: just built there. Well, I have a family that's German
Speaker 2: and Austria. My dad was half Puerto Rican, half German
Speaker 2: Austrian and her name was Marie Prutzel and she was
Speaker 2: a famous opera singer and her name is on the
Speaker 2: opera house in wherever it is in Vienna, and I
Speaker 2: went there when I was filming this movie that nobody
Speaker 2: like called Wing Commander.
Speaker 4: Nobody liked it, and.
Speaker 2: We would rent these motorcycles, me and this other actor,
Speaker 2: this German dude named Jurgen Prac.
Speaker 4: Now he's got a.
Speaker 2: Great name, Yeah, great freaking name, for sure, it'd be
Speaker 2: a great wrestler name too. He goes, do you know
Speaker 2: how to ride the motorcycle? And I was like, oh, yeah, dude,
Speaker 2: and he was like, oh, you should come for a
Speaker 2: ride with me. And so we would go on cruises
Speaker 2: from Luxembourg all throughout like Europe and just like cruise
Speaker 2: of the city. And I told him, I was like, Yo,
Speaker 2: my great grandma lives up here, or lives up here,
Speaker 2: formed up here. We should go check it out. And
Speaker 2: we did, and her name was on the little plaque. Dude,
Speaker 2: I didn't have like a phone that took pictures back then,
Speaker 2: because this is the old days. I wish I would have.
Speaker 2: I wish I would have. I didn't take a picture.
Speaker 2: It just has to stay in my brain. But anyway,
Speaker 2: shout out to Gunther. I want us to have time
Speaker 2: to have talk about like the greatest WrestleMania match I've
Speaker 2: seen and I don't know how long, and that was
Speaker 2: seth Rollins versus Cmpunk versus Roman Reigns for the no
Speaker 2: championship just for pride, respect, what else conquest.
Speaker 1: They were fighting for. Paul E. Haymone, that was the prize.
Speaker 2: They should have put him in a shark cage above
Speaker 2: the ring like Dominic Mysterio. And we'll get into Dominic later,
Speaker 2: I promise, because this podcast loved him first. But the
Speaker 2: triple threat, all right, look, I don't know how to wrestle,
Speaker 2: and I don't know how to be an agent and go.
Speaker 2: You know what you should do around the tenth minute
Speaker 2: is a flying Like I don't pretend to know any
Speaker 2: that I never have this match, just the wrestling. If
Speaker 2: there was no story, if Paul Hayman wasn't even in
Speaker 2: the match, I was like, Yo, where are my kids
Speaker 2: right now?
Speaker 4: How are they not seeing this?
Speaker 2: Like it was so good and every dude looked great,
Speaker 2: and every dude got the crap kicked out of him,
Speaker 2: and every dude made saves, and every dude took the
Speaker 2: best shots from guys. I mean, Roman Reigns literally landed
Speaker 2: on top of seth rollins outside the ring at one point,
Speaker 2: and I was just like, oh my god, Like these
Speaker 2: guys are just like fighting for real, and they like
Speaker 2: each other and they're fighting for real.
Speaker 4: It was so good.
Speaker 2: And then you add the story of Paul Hayman and
Speaker 2: you have to take this story way the heck back
Speaker 2: all the way to Bloodline wise man Paul Hayman, or
Speaker 2: you could say, Freddy, that's not true. You have to
Speaker 2: take it back further than that, because the story started
Speaker 2: with Cempunk and Paul Hayman at ECW and and the
Speaker 2: whole video package that they put together, and you would
Speaker 2: be right. But I'm just for sakes of this argument
Speaker 2: just recent history. What he and Roman created was awesome.
Speaker 2: But he had to be the whipping boy, right, like
Speaker 2: he has to play the sucker for Roman. He has
Speaker 2: to play the bitch, so to speak, and that sucks, right,
Speaker 2: Like you don't want that, and he's had to take
Speaker 2: that weight for years of being Romans like Lackey instead
Speaker 2: of being an advocate like he was for brock Lesner.
Speaker 2: So you get the double betrayal, right, because like Siamponky
Speaker 2: tells you why you made me shoes, which is such
Speaker 2: a great line that only Paul Hayman could deliver, you
Speaker 2: made me shoes, And he doesn't need a writer. He's
Speaker 2: one of those guys like like Sina, they can kind
Speaker 2: of write for their own promo and you're gonna be like, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's better than whatever. And the fact that he cut
Speaker 2: that in the middle of the ring for the television
Speaker 2: audience to hear at home, like really sends that home.
Speaker 2: You made me choes like best line of the night,
Speaker 2: better than anything. Michael Cole cutting. Michael Cole cuts great lines,
Speaker 2: and he punches, he punches Sea I'm punk.
Speaker 4: In the balls.
Speaker 2: And then Roman has a great moment where he's like
Speaker 2: almost crying.
Speaker 4: Like my man, the wise Man is back, holy shit.
Speaker 2: And he gets up and Paul Hayman hands in the
Speaker 2: chair and he's like.
Speaker 5: Remember what Seth Rollins fucking did to you back in
Speaker 5: the day when you guys are in the shield. Now
Speaker 5: you're gonna fucking do it to him, fucking do it
Speaker 5: right now. In Roman rains is like, yeah, I am
Speaker 5: gonna do it here. Back up, Paul Hayman. Let me
Speaker 5: put you behind me where you're safe. And Paul Hayman's like, yeah,
Speaker 5: put me behind you were safe. He set up a
Speaker 5: bitch what pa pow and hit him with to all
Speaker 5: you can from Street Fighter Too and got him in the.
Speaker 1: Balls, got in the Crown jewels.
Speaker 2: He did get him into jewels, and then he goes
Speaker 2: to Seth Rollins and who he owed the favor to,
Speaker 2: but it felt like much more than a favor. It
Speaker 2: felt like, no, this is the direction the company's moving in,
Speaker 2: and I'm going back to being an advocate. I'm not
Speaker 2: your best friend and I'm not your wise man. I'm
Speaker 2: a fucking player in the wrestling business and this guy's
Speaker 2: going to be the top player and I'm rolling with him.
Speaker 2: And it was such a great He's so smart at
Speaker 2: getting himself over without taking away from the talent that
Speaker 2: he's trying to help put over. And I don't know
Speaker 2: anybody in my lifetime that's done it better than him.
Speaker 2: Like you could say Bobby the Brain was as good,
Speaker 2: but I wouldn't say he was better. And for my money,
Speaker 2: Paul Hayman was better at it than Bobby. And I
Speaker 2: love Bobby Heenan, but Paul Hayman was just so sick
Speaker 2: with it and it was so perfect, and the commentators
Speaker 2: were shitting on him the whole match man and just
Speaker 2: make it, letting him have it, and he could hear
Speaker 2: him and he's reacting to it. You just feel the
Speaker 2: weight of the world on his shoulders. And then he
Speaker 2: gets the double middle finger, which was just awesome.
Speaker 4: And I love this.
Speaker 2: I'm telling you, I can't think of a better match.
Speaker 2: And he was a big reason for it being so
Speaker 2: extra special. I know this is your favorite match of
Speaker 2: the whole weekend, and I'm crazy if I'm wrong.
Speaker 1: Besides El Grande Americano, this was my favorite match, so
Speaker 1: second favorite match. What a fun position to put Paul
Speaker 1: Hayman in as far as he has some storyline with
Speaker 1: each member involved in a three way match that is,
Speaker 1: I don't I don't remember ever seeing a match in
Speaker 1: this way where like they all have this loyalty to
Speaker 1: this guy, but he has kind of these other loyalties.
Speaker 1: So I love that. I love that you said that
Speaker 1: he's got the weight of the world on his shoulders.
Speaker 1: That's what it felt like. You could feel like, man,
Speaker 1: he's in such an icky position, you know, like he
Speaker 1: can't he can't be all what I was hoping. What
Speaker 1: I was hoping he would do was low blow seth
Speaker 1: rawlins after he low blowed them, so low blow each
Speaker 1: all three and then brock Lessener's music hits and I
Speaker 1: and He's and like now he's like I'm with rock Gosh.
Speaker 1: I was like, just I know, yeah, I I know
Speaker 1: that that's all k fabe and and whatever, like in
Speaker 1: the real world of all the bad things that are
Speaker 1: happening in real life, that that's never a possibility or
Speaker 1: it wasn't going to be a possibility. But I was
Speaker 1: like that had been so good, or maybe he low
Speaker 1: blows Punk, he low blows Roman, then he low brows
Speaker 1: Seth and he just leaves and we're all like that
Speaker 1: was strange. He has loyalty to nobody's going in the
Speaker 1: business for himself, and then they moved him to like
Speaker 1: the women's division where he can help out those ladies
Speaker 1: and make the make all the women's they're going to
Speaker 1: pick a girl to represent that. He just would love.
Speaker 2: For him to a female wrestler, right because he would
Speaker 2: crush that.
Speaker 1: I think Bobby Heenan isn't even in the same universe
Speaker 1: as Paul Hammon, really, and that is not a slander
Speaker 1: on Bobby Heenan, because I think there isn't anybody in
Speaker 1: Paul Hayman's universe. I think his mic work, pound for pound,
Speaker 1: is better than any wrestler we've ever seen, better than
Speaker 1: any manager we've ever seen, better than any politician we've
Speaker 1: ever seen. I've never heard anyone be able to pause
Speaker 1: the timing. I mean, he is like his sensibilities for
Speaker 1: that are off the charts. He's one of a kind.
Speaker 1: And also what a great story he's had, going from
Speaker 1: competing against Vince to working with Vince to now seceding
Speaker 1: and outlasting Vince as he's there should be a second
Speaker 1: hall of Fame for guys like Paul Hayman.
Speaker 2: All Right, dude, Tiffany Stratton, she earned her stripes at WrestleMania,
Speaker 2: and I don't mean because she won, but she bled
Speaker 2: for her art. And it always felt like to me
Speaker 2: after the Attitude era, once a wrestler gets cut and
Speaker 2: you see real blood coming out of their mouth or
Speaker 2: real blood coming out of their head, the crowd kind
Speaker 2: of goes, hey, respect and they kind of give you
Speaker 2: that nod, right, and until you've bled, they can love you,
Speaker 2: but they don't really give you that like, holy shit
Speaker 2: it And that's.
Speaker 1: Why we respect death matches so much. You go, wow,
Speaker 1: every one of these guys is bleeding for that bro.
Speaker 2: That's literally like blood, sweat and tears. But in the
Speaker 2: actually all they got is blood. But she bled, she
Speaker 2: took some some. This was another one that looked like
Speaker 2: a real fight, man, Like some of the punches looked
Speaker 2: so good, and when they're beating on each other's backs.
Speaker 4: I was just like, you know what, that would.
Speaker 1: Hurt so bad if we want to believe, Yeah, it
Speaker 1: might be because it might be real.
Speaker 4: You know they were talking ship.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they were talking ship and their promos back and forth.
Speaker 2: So it felt good. It felt real. Charlotte's WrestleMania matches
Speaker 2: always kind of feel real, like the one with Becky did,
Speaker 2: the one with Rhea did. This one totally did. And
Speaker 2: we said on this podcast along time, well we everyone
Speaker 2: kind of knew that she had a rocket ship strapped
Speaker 2: to her back. So now this now she's a made woman,
Speaker 2: and now it's gonna be sink or swim. And the
Speaker 2: WW does this a lot with with young new talent.
Speaker 2: They kind of feed you to the fish and they
Speaker 2: see if you're a shark or if you're one of
Speaker 2: the fish that's going to get eaten by the next
Speaker 2: potential shark. And they're going to give her a big
Speaker 2: swing here and see if she can handle the pressures,
Speaker 2: the weight, the matches and the promos that are necessary
Speaker 2: to be the champion. And time will tell you know,
Speaker 2: she's super young, so she's got a lot of not well,
Speaker 2: I don't know how much time she has. Hopefully they're
Speaker 2: patient and they give her time to learn and develop
Speaker 2: her craft. I try to equivalent wrestlers evolving to Jalen
Speaker 2: Rose in commentary, like when he first started on ESPN,
Speaker 2: he was not he didn't have it. It just you
Speaker 2: could see that something was there, but it just it
Speaker 2: was kind of all over the place. And he went
Speaker 2: from being one of their weaker options to one of
Speaker 2: their stronger, if not one of their strongest options, in
Speaker 2: the time frame of about a year and a half
Speaker 2: two years. And that type of growth is you can
Speaker 2: kind of see it happening on a week to week basis,
Speaker 2: and I think we'll start I have to look now
Speaker 2: as she's a champ to see the kind of growth
Speaker 2: and developments that that's there. You can You're only going
Speaker 2: to be as good as your writers, right, Like they
Speaker 2: have to write for her and to her strengths and
Speaker 2: keep it in the verbiage that she's going to use.
Speaker 2: If they're able to pull it off, then they've got
Speaker 2: physically the kind of champ that I think they're looking for.
Speaker 2: And not even though she is like the Barbie Doll,
Speaker 2: she's like a buff Barbie Doll kind of so it's
Speaker 2: kind of like a more modern champion as opposed to
Speaker 2: some of the smaller ones that they've had in the past.
Speaker 4: What did you think.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I will say they disrespected Tiffany Stratton. You know,
Speaker 1: she's she's the female main event of Night one of WrestleMania,
Speaker 1: and they introduced her first.
Speaker 4: They do that from time to time.
Speaker 1: I didn't like it. I didn't like the idea. And
Speaker 1: Charlotte comes up in some sort of rolls Royce and
Speaker 1: gets like this crazy pyro and all this different stuff.
Speaker 1: But anyway, so so when it came to the match,
Speaker 1: it was it was good and I was very invested
Speaker 1: in it. Once again, once they got in the ring,
Speaker 1: it kind of felt like the Jay Ussa thing. So
Speaker 1: it was fine. I like it. My prediction is this
Speaker 1: is a Wrestling with Freddie prediction. I think there's going
Speaker 1: to be a time on this podcast where we're gonna
Speaker 1: say whoa, Jeff, You're right, they are gonna just bring
Speaker 1: in Mariah May to replace Tiffany Stratton's universe of where
Speaker 1: I think Mariah May eventually comes over to WWE and
Speaker 1: they phase out this Tiffany Stratton push.
Speaker 4: You think she'll be the new face.
Speaker 2: She can she can certainly talk when written well for,
Speaker 2: and she wrestles like the Japanese wrestlers, which is exactly
Speaker 2: stiff and tough, so fans like her a lot.
Speaker 1: She's so easy to get behind, like she's like she
Speaker 1: just like Maria May is like a very very in
Speaker 1: my opinion, just a more sharp in every single wrestling
Speaker 1: category than Tiffany Stritten.
Speaker 4: My prediction, very interesting, sir.
Speaker 2: All right, all right, Jacob Fatu is the new United
Speaker 2: States Champion. I know fans of La Night are like,
Speaker 2: what now, what now? I'll say this, I said it earlier,
Speaker 2: I'll say it again. Not everyone can get pushed at
Speaker 2: the same time. La Night's super over. Losing the title
Speaker 2: isn't gonna stop one person from going yeah. When he
Speaker 2: goes oh hey, like, everyone's still gonna cheer. He's he's
Speaker 2: bigger than a belt, so he's he's way over.
Speaker 4: And it was an earned overship.
Speaker 2: It wasn't I'm forced upon the WWE you will like me,
Speaker 2: you will like me that he earned it the old
Speaker 2: fashioned way, and so that's not going anywhere. So La
Speaker 2: and I fans fret not, do not worry. He'll have
Speaker 2: plenty of cool storylines. He's gonna still cut his cool promos,
Speaker 2: He's still gonna drop the sweet elbow.
Speaker 4: Everything's gonna be cool.
Speaker 2: The BFT still exists and will be hit, and he'll
Speaker 2: still win, and eventually he'll be in another title picture,
Speaker 2: just not right now. But Freddy's getting older. He's look
Speaker 2: at the freaking shape that dude's in. He's gonna be fine.
Speaker 2: This is not the UFC. He doesn't have to be
Speaker 2: twenty six years old and in the prime of his life.
Speaker 2: It's all it's all good. But Jacob Fatu is the friggin' man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's over too. I mean the mask is number
Speaker 1: two guys that are just super over, so it's not
Speaker 1: really that shocking.
Speaker 2: And his mic work like, look, he's not Marlon Brando,
Speaker 2: but he stays true to his style and his style's
Speaker 2: kind of cool.
Speaker 1: Man like.
Speaker 2: I dig Jacob fut too, Yeah, I dig him a
Speaker 2: lot man. So, yeah, so that match happened and it
Speaker 2: was awesome.
Speaker 1: Jacob Putt, I have a question for you and Alex,
Speaker 1: our producer, and for the Federation. So if there's an
Speaker 1: answer to this, I'd like you to leave it for us,
Speaker 1: comment or send it to us or tweet it or
Speaker 1: whatever you do. And if there isn't an answer, you
Speaker 1: can just say I agree, Jeff, because that sucks. Jacob
Speaker 1: fuck To comes out of gorilla as they call it
Speaker 1: in our industry, right, and he's got this amazing mask.
Speaker 1: He's got this really cool mask. Then he takes the
Speaker 1: mask off right at the top of this nine hundred
Speaker 1: mile ramp and then goes down the ramp, then goes
Speaker 1: into the ring, does the thing to the hardcam without
Speaker 1: the cool mask that he just wore. And then but
Speaker 1: my question is why is this always the case? Andrade
Speaker 1: wears this cool mask out but then takes it off
Speaker 1: at the top of the ramp and then goes down
Speaker 1: The Bludgeon brothers take their masks off at the top
Speaker 1: of the ramp. Like even Cody Rhoades wore this like
Speaker 1: Iron Man kind of skull. He took it off at
Speaker 1: the top of the ramp. Like, what are we doing.
Speaker 1: We've got all these great cool masks, wear them into
Speaker 1: the ring. I get, don't wrestle with it. You don't
Speaker 1: have to wrestle with the mask on, but like, why
Speaker 1: are we leaving them at the top of the ramp?
Speaker 1: I want to see the mask let's do it to
Speaker 1: the hardcam. Wear it in the ring. You you paid
Speaker 1: for it. Wrestlers, let's see the mask.
Speaker 2: In Jeff's defense, we are both huge masks. Love masks.
Speaker 2: We love them, all right. I just gave a bunch
Speaker 2: away because I ran out of room. Not wrestling masks.
Speaker 2: Don't worry some of the other ones, like the superhero mask,
Speaker 2: the ones you wouldn't care about. We're big mask dudes.
Speaker 2: We really like masks. I don't like when the mask
Speaker 2: comes off either. But I never even thought of that
Speaker 2: until you said it, and then I was like, oh yeah.
Speaker 2: I was like, Andria takes this mask off too early, too,
Speaker 2: before you even said it.
Speaker 4: And then you're like, and Andrde, why are you taking
Speaker 4: your mask?
Speaker 1: I want to get a good look at the mask,
Speaker 1: and also like it kind of like I don't know,
Speaker 1: you have a perfect opportunity when you're in the ring
Speaker 1: to like kind of sell it to the hardcam.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and then take it off and present your pretty face.
Speaker 1: And if someone is going to argue Jeff, no, that's
Speaker 1: not true. They some people do wear it to the ring.
Speaker 1: You're just playing too many video games because the developers
Speaker 1: don't want to have to to have him take his mask.
Speaker 1: Trust me, I did my homework on this, and they're
Speaker 1: all leaving their mask at the top of the ramp.
Speaker 4: All right.
Speaker 2: Speaking of mask men, let's get to your favorite match
Speaker 2: of the night. El Grande Americano, the Greatest, the greatest
Speaker 2: luch adorable times right, us versus versus Ray Phoenix, who
Speaker 2: was subbing in for an injured Raimi Stadio. Jeff, We're
Speaker 2: getting to watch the greatest Lucidor that's ever lived, in
Speaker 2: the prime of his career with one of the most
Speaker 2: jacked bodies of Lucidor has ever had. He's willing to cheat,
Speaker 2: which is awesome. He puts steel plates in his head
Speaker 2: and then does a flying headbut off the top rope,
Speaker 2: which is cheat. You ain't trying, baby, I love cheating, bro,
Speaker 2: I'm with it, man, cheaters in wrestling rule. Eddie was
Speaker 2: the best for that. So he's the cheats. He's got
Speaker 2: the moves, he's got the grassers.
Speaker 1: To make a Mariachi band wear American Mexican wrestling masks
Speaker 1: is the funniest thing I've ever.
Speaker 2: Seen, and such a heeled move of all heel moves,
Speaker 2: and he's got the commentary team fully behind this as
Speaker 2: far as helping push the story together. They call him
Speaker 2: El Grande, they call him a medicano. Sometimes they just
Speaker 2: call him Jack Gable. They'll give a fuck, and they
Speaker 2: have so much fun with it. You can see them
Speaker 2: all enjoying it. It's such a great gimmick. I don't
Speaker 2: know who came up with it, but shout out to
Speaker 2: the creative team if it was them, If it was Chad,
Speaker 2: it was like, Yo, I got an idea. Shout out
Speaker 2: to Chad, if it was both of them. You guys
Speaker 2: are doing great stuff. And I still think Chad Gable
Speaker 2: is one of the most underrated dudes. Yeah, he's not undervalue.
Speaker 2: They paid him to stay there. His contract was up
Speaker 2: and they paid us, so he's not undervalue. WW knows
Speaker 2: what they have with him, but he's so underrated, and
Speaker 2: I think he's so good and talented, and he's one
Speaker 2: of your favorite dudes. So please wax poetic about this
Speaker 2: match and your love of Elkoronde Americano.
Speaker 1: I will. I don't know if I've ever said this
Speaker 1: on this podcast before, but I have an anecdote that
Speaker 1: when things get so good they're not yours anymore, they
Speaker 1: become the worlds right, somebody invented pizza, whether it was
Speaker 1: in New York or Italy, no one cares anymore because
Speaker 1: pizza is just world food now, right, Oh, a hamburger,
Speaker 1: that's American. Shut up. It is such a good idea
Speaker 1: that now it's world food. You can have a burger
Speaker 1: anywhere in the world because it's that good. Sushi is
Speaker 1: so good, we don't go oh as a Japan it's
Speaker 1: world food. Things just become so good that they're for
Speaker 1: the world now. Lucha door wrestling, in my opinion, has
Speaker 1: always been the most supeller and the best. I am
Speaker 1: a huge fan of it and with a very big
Speaker 1: tip of the hat and respect to Mexican culture and
Speaker 1: the luchidor culture. But that don't mean that we don't
Speaker 1: love the luchadors in America, my favorite country in the world.
Speaker 1: So to just spin a story that you're the American
Speaker 1: luchador is so beautiful. I kind of wish that it
Speaker 1: wasn't a negative thing that we were like booing America
Speaker 1: for doing it. Yeah, I would love it's wrestling.
Speaker 4: I think it is people cheering too.
Speaker 2: I think there's people that are doing the a's a
Speaker 2: heel I'm booing thing and there's people that are like, nah,
Speaker 2: fuck that.
Speaker 4: I love it.
Speaker 1: Because it's it's naughty and it's it's like it is.
Speaker 1: But I would love to maybe someday in the future
Speaker 1: see an American luchador who's just an American who loves
Speaker 1: being a luchador, who loves Luca wrestling, who loves the mask,
Speaker 1: who loves the culture like a like a Ricochet wearing
Speaker 1: like you know, like who can do all the luchador
Speaker 1: things as a respect to it. But he's like, I'm American.
Speaker 1: I would love to see that. That's my point. But
Speaker 1: loving this story and the story is so good, folks
Speaker 1: that it's it's going past WrestleMania. They didn't tie up
Speaker 1: that story, they didn't demask him to It's Chad Gable.
Speaker 1: They said, no, no, no, this story is not ending here.
Speaker 1: We're gonna keep this cooking. And so it was really
Speaker 1: great way to do it. Unfortunate the Ray Masterio got injured,
Speaker 1: but we still got to see Ray Phoenix, which was
Speaker 1: awesome and awesome. He was just literally lights out and
Speaker 1: I think that that match was by far one of
Speaker 1: the highlights for me. I also got to be like
Speaker 1: a little troll in the audience. I kept chanting USA,
Speaker 1: and we were like, we were like, this guy, he
Speaker 1: doesn't Anyways, I loved it and I'm a big fan
Speaker 1: of the story.
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