WEBVTT - Part Two: Francisco Sabaté: Franco’s Public Enemy #1

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<v Speaker 1>Hello, and welcome to cool People did cool stuff. You're

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<v Speaker 2>Hi, Margaret. I'm good. I'm good, very very controverted. You

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<v Speaker 2>to eraise the concept of what's it called when you

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<v Speaker 2>come back to life after you die? Reincarnation not come

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<v Speaker 2>through joke?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no, well, the one chance we know of. Our

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<v Speaker 1>producer is Sophie Hi. Sophie Hi, our audio engineers Ian

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<v Speaker 1>Hi Ian. Everyone wants to say I in Hi Yan Hian.

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<v Speaker 1>Our theme musical is written for us by un woman,

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<v Speaker 1>and this week we are talking about resistance to Franco

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<v Speaker 1>the fascist dictator of Spain. In particular, we're following Francisco Sabata,

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<v Speaker 1>also known as al Chico. World War two has just ended,

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<v Speaker 1>so he snuck himself back into fascist Spain and is

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<v Speaker 1>starting to raise funds for a gorilla struggle and let's

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<v Speaker 1>go all that stolen money. It goes into the hands

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<v Speaker 1>of the CNT, which was underground and trying to do

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<v Speaker 1>everything from support the kids of dead anarchists to destroy

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<v Speaker 1>the fascist regime in Spain. No money is actually going

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<v Speaker 1>to the robbers personally. For the most part, Leonner is

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<v Speaker 1>actually supporting the family in France by working as a

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<v Speaker 1>house cleaner, plus probably whatever El Chico makes as a

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<v Speaker 1>plumber when he's home, which, like, I feel like it's

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<v Speaker 1>fine to get compensated fairly for your labor as a

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<v Speaker 1>bank robber. But I still appreciate that they they weren't

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<v Speaker 1>doing this to get rich.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they like meant it that quote from before about

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<v Speaker 1>being like weird libertarian freedom fighters. Yeah, So, together with

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<v Speaker 1>the CNT, the three Gorillas, El Qiko, El Absinio, and

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<v Speaker 1>El Rosette, they free two anarchists and a communist from

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<v Speaker 1>fascist hands. And this is like, it's funny because they

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<v Speaker 1>freed a bunch of people already, including themselves several times.

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<v Speaker 1>But this is like where they kind of come out

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<v Speaker 1>onto the world stage a little bit when they do this.

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<v Speaker 1>But they show up and they they free the three prisoners,

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<v Speaker 1>and as they're running to the car, the communist is

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<v Speaker 1>apparently like, never mind, I don't want to jail break.

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<v Speaker 2>I just love fucking rules. Such a committed tanky like

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<v Speaker 2>see a boot I want to lick.

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<v Speaker 1>It, and so he goes back to jail voluntarily.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>At least according to the anarchist history book I read, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I doesn't see them, having been like, oh, whoops, wait,

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<v Speaker 1>you've got two anarchists and a tanky.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. The guy gets out there and immediately, like you,

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<v Speaker 2>get logs onto his Twitter and starts posting about how

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<v Speaker 2>he's going to send him to the Gulag and then

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<v Speaker 2>all right, you go fucking back right now.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, totally, yeah, exactly. We thought we knew you better

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<v Speaker 1>than that. Yeah, but you'll be shocked to know that

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<v Speaker 1>after the war, not all of the former Synicalists were

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<v Speaker 1>cool and good. Some joined the National Syndicalists aka the

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<v Speaker 1>fascist left. There was at least one double agent and

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<v Speaker 1>ex anarchist who worked for the new cops but was like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh no, totally, I'm totally working for you all the anarchists,

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<v Speaker 1>definitely who was working for the cops. He would help

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<v Speaker 1>the anarchists while they were being super boring and ineffective,

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<v Speaker 1>and then inform on them as soon as they did

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<v Speaker 1>anything spicy and anywhere the anarchists were doing anything like,

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<v Speaker 1>the cops would know about it and show up what

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<v Speaker 1>it could Yeah, not a good guy. He spoiler alert.

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<v Speaker 1>Not a way to live very long. Fortunately, the Gorillas

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<v Speaker 1>didn't espouse to be under anyone's control, not the labor

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<v Speaker 1>movement or whatever. They were working for the CNT and

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<v Speaker 1>an arcosyndicalism in general, but not under its authority, so

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<v Speaker 1>they were actually way harder to repress. The CNT was

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<v Speaker 1>pretty mad about this, especially the CNT in France, like

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<v Speaker 1>the people who would like run run away is the

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<v Speaker 1>wrong word. The people who were refugees because they would

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<v Speaker 1>get murdered. They some of them are very mad at Sabate.

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<v Speaker 1>Throughout the rest of his career, the Gorilla movement was, though,

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<v Speaker 1>and this still matters, it was very organized. It wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>just like, hey, let's go fuck up Franco as shit

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<v Speaker 1>and get ourselves killed and I know I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>like stick a lot to the like and here's where

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<v Speaker 1>they blew this thing up, and here's where they shot

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<v Speaker 1>this guy, and the like cool actions or whatever. But

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<v Speaker 1>it was like mostly most of their work was organizing.

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<v Speaker 1>From nineteen forty five to nineteen forty six, Sabate and

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<v Speaker 1>the others set up base after base in the mountains,

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<v Speaker 1>which is the refuge for all radicals everywhere, for comrades

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<v Speaker 1>and guns. He and his family moved still in France,

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<v Speaker 1>so he goes back up to France, back and forth

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<v Speaker 1>all the time, moves way closer to the border, and

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<v Speaker 1>he starts moving guns and explosives into Fascist Spain. At

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<v Speaker 1>one point with four others in some tiny town near

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<v Speaker 1>the border, cops pull a gun on them, so they

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<v Speaker 1>one of them kills that cop, and they of have

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<v Speaker 1>to go hide all the material and lie low because

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<v Speaker 1>all the cops show up, you know, because for somebody

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<v Speaker 1>else happened like that. Yeah, so they hit the guns

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<v Speaker 1>and a ton of places and including a big old

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<v Speaker 1>pilum anewer. Oh yeah. Sabate only got out by dressing

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<v Speaker 1>as a peasant. He was like holding a scythe and

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<v Speaker 1>walking around as a peasant while a woman from the

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<v Speaker 1>village walked behind him carrying a submachine gun for him

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<v Speaker 1>in a basket of food.

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<v Speaker 2>Extremely let's see the cat National anthems and the second

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<v Speaker 2>or it is like the scithers. Oh shit, okay, cool,

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<v Speaker 2>it's extremely Catalan move. It's about the revolt with the size.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah that rules.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Unfortunately the innkeeper went to go snitch voluntarily. He was like, ah,

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<v Speaker 1>I know it's up, and the cops tortured the shit

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<v Speaker 1>out of him.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, just what it is. The state violence comes

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<v Speaker 2>for us all.

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<v Speaker 1>I went to the fascist cops and they were mean

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<v Speaker 1>to me.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah they new news. Yeah they did find the guns

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<v Speaker 2>and the pile of ship. Well at least I had

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<v Speaker 2>to go into a pile of shit. I know, I know.

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<v Speaker 1>And the fascist feds in Barcelona in particular, working hard

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<v Speaker 1>to beat the gorillas. They traced to communicate to a

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<v Speaker 1>guy's typewriter and then like tortured the shit out of

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<v Speaker 1>him until he gave up a meeting spot, which led

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<v Speaker 1>the folks to the Feds to al El Absinio and

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<v Speaker 1>our guy, the Abscenian was greeted at home with a

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<v Speaker 1>hail of gunfire and he died before he had a

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<v Speaker 1>chance to draw his gun.

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<v Speaker 2>That's sad, I know.

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<v Speaker 1>And l Rosette gets arrested at his house during all

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<v Speaker 1>of this, and they're like this is gonna come up,

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<v Speaker 1>Like L Rosette rules, Sabote just wants to lure cops.

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<v Speaker 1>At this point, he's like, oh fuck, one of my

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<v Speaker 1>friends is dead. The other ones arrested he's like, you

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<v Speaker 1>know what, the cops are surrounding his parents' house, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's like, I'm just gonna lure them into the

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<v Speaker 1>open and fight them, just just fucking have it out.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And his remaining friends are like, don't fucking do that.

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<v Speaker 1>What the fuck, Jesus Christ, what the fuck is wrong

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<v Speaker 1>with you? And he listens to his friends and he

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't go out in a useless way. Yeah, but he

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<v Speaker 1>did need to get to his parents' house because his

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<v Speaker 1>brother Jose had returned from prison at this point and

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<v Speaker 1>he was at the family house and Sabate and well

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<v Speaker 1>ol Kiko wanted to go see him. So he just

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<v Speaker 1>walks through the police lines as if he's some regular guy,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I'm a regular guy. What's going on over there?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, famous efficiency of space police.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, and then in the Spanish police thought that they

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<v Speaker 1>would absolutely find him because l Rosette was being held

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<v Speaker 1>in a cop car on orders of you better point

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<v Speaker 1>out Sabate when you see him, or will fucking kill you.

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<v Speaker 1>And so he was like, oh, sure, I will definitely

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<v Speaker 1>do that. I will absolutely inform on this man. I

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<v Speaker 1>fought a war with completely, that's my plan. When Sabate

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<v Speaker 1>walked by. El Rosette was like, no, that's not him,

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<v Speaker 1>that's just some guy.

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<v Speaker 2>Amazing. Yeah, the entire force of the state come to Barron.

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<v Speaker 2>You any results in them being conned by someone being

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<v Speaker 2>liken it like yeah, totally moving on. Yeah, and their

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<v Speaker 2>orders were absolutely to kill on site. Uh So l

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<v Speaker 2>Rosette saves his life, I believe, I can't remember. I

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<v Speaker 2>think at spends the rest of his life in prison,

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<v Speaker 2>spends decades in prison.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Al Kko makes contact with Jose and they reunite more

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<v Speaker 1>properly in the mountains of France, and they're like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>let's get this ship fucking done. Luigi has entered the

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<v Speaker 1>chat the Plumber brothers, I don't know if you is

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<v Speaker 1>a plumber.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And the Gorilla's form, Yeah, someone knows them. My kid's

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<v Speaker 1>lost to history. It's like, no, y, I only have

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<v Speaker 1>a week to research these things, so I can only

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<v Speaker 1>read like one and a half books and like five

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<v Speaker 1>or six articles and you know. Anyway, So the Gorilla's form,

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<v Speaker 1>the MLR, the Spanish Liberation Resistance movement basically declaring autonomy

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<v Speaker 1>from and hopefully shielding their like proper began to only

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<v Speaker 1>type friends, right it's their way of being like, we

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<v Speaker 1>are not the CNT, Please stop killing the CNT just

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<v Speaker 1>because we do shit. Yeah it, I mean it sort

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<v Speaker 1>of works. I mean they're still going to the Feds,

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<v Speaker 1>are still going to just kill the CNT whenever they can,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. But public enemy number one for the anarchists

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<v Speaker 1>right now is this guy Alicio melis Dis, who's the

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<v Speaker 1>former anarchist turned cop who is destroying the resistance movement.

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<v Speaker 1>Because this is a fast and furious plot, the anarchists

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<v Speaker 1>made Plan H I don't know what stands for, which

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<v Speaker 1>was that they were not going to just kill this guy,

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<v Speaker 1>but they were going to bring him down and reveal

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<v Speaker 1>all the other traders too. They only half succeeded. They

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<v Speaker 1>kidnap him, but he fought back, so they had to

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<v Speaker 1>kill him after he killed one of them. Yeah, so

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<v Speaker 1>they did kill this guy. But and then they came

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<v Speaker 1>out with the communicate to announce the MLR quote in

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<v Speaker 1>the future, we will respond to governmental terrorism with the

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<v Speaker 1>people's terrorism. We shall answer the murderer's bullets of the

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<v Speaker 1>uniformed gunmen with the pistols and machine guns of the

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<v Speaker 1>m people of the MLR will carry out sentence on

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<v Speaker 1>all traders, as they have already done in the case

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<v Speaker 1>of the notorious Alicio Meles of Unhappy Memory.

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<v Speaker 2>It's another great one for your EMAO signature. Yeah yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And all the while Sabote is going back and

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<v Speaker 1>forth to France and spending making sure to spend time

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<v Speaker 1>with the kids. I actually think he like, genuinely really

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<v Speaker 1>liked his family and like spending time with them and stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, he does. He moves his family. He has

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<v Speaker 1>more kids. Now, why with the biographer mentioned to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about his kids instead of going on several pages about

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<v Speaker 1>someone whom he doesn't even meet, who blows up his

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<v Speaker 1>own leg with a grenade anyway, moves them closer to

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<v Speaker 1>the border, and a quote young comrade moves in to

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<v Speaker 1>help with the chores. Well, he's gone. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>that this is a this person needs a place to stay,

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<v Speaker 1>or our house needs more sources of income, or maybe

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<v Speaker 1>it's a polyamory thing. I don't I don't know his

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<v Speaker 1>household includes more people now. He also gets really into

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<v Speaker 1>farming for a little while, him and his mule dig

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of ditches to move water around, and soon

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<v Speaker 1>he's growing melons and everyone's like Damn, we didn't know

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<v Speaker 1>you could grow melons here. That rules your melons are great.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, what a math?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, his domestic piece doesn't last. At one point,

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<v Speaker 1>while he's in Spain, his house is raided in connection

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<v Speaker 1>to some expropriation and the French police find a stash

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<v Speaker 1>of bombs and grenades and guns. He's tried in absentia

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<v Speaker 1>and is found guilty. This doesn't stop him. You'll be

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<v Speaker 1>shocked to know, Yeah, shocked. He's in Spain, he starts

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<v Speaker 1>working with the Libertarian Prisoner Support group, providing the money

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<v Speaker 1>to provide for the families of imprisoned anarchists, and him

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<v Speaker 1>and Jose are now getting money the old fashioned way,

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<v Speaker 1>robbing the rich. Another one of his crew was named Tragapanas,

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<v Speaker 1>which Google Translate tells me means swallow, but I think

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<v Speaker 1>it means the bread eater.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Bread, Yeah, because he was all always hungry and he

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<v Speaker 1>was always eating.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just like a constantly shoving baggetts into his mouth. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>like he gets a power up, you know, he eats. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>he grows larger. I just like all their names. We're

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<v Speaker 2>going to Spanish nickname into Germany. Phenomenal.

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<v Speaker 1>Another tier yeah, and he is always for a while

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<v Speaker 1>at least, he's always one step ahead of the cops.

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<v Speaker 1>Time and time again he counter ambushes the cops line

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<v Speaker 1>and wait for him, usually with a Tommy gun. He

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<v Speaker 1>always carried a Tommy gun under his coat.

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<v Speaker 2>Very nice. Yeah, yeah, from the US, I guess supplying

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<v Speaker 2>the French machis. Maybe he got it that way.

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<v Speaker 1>That makes sense because a lot of it's stand guns,

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<v Speaker 1>which is another type of submachine gun.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the British ones, but the guns really to make too, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I've seen some stand guns.

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<v Speaker 1>To the Tommy gun was like kind of his signature,

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<v Speaker 1>and since he was a bank robber named a kid,

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<v Speaker 1>it just sort of makes sense that he.

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<v Speaker 2>Got Yeah, and you know, they were also obsessed with

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<v Speaker 2>I think we've talked about this before with like Gangster

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<v Speaker 2>Ship in Chicago.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right.

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<v Speaker 2>They called by the Barcelona Chinatown, not particularly because I

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<v Speaker 2>had a large number of Asian people, because they were like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>this has vibes of Chicago's Chinatown that we've seen in films. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe it was like a vibe. Maybe he was like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>this is what I wanted to when I've seen this

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<v Speaker 2>in films.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm the kid, but he's not chomping a cigar because

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<v Speaker 1>that man is sober and doesn't smoke.

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<v Speaker 2>But he did go to me again.

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<v Speaker 1>That was that's you know what, that's a more iconic

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<v Speaker 1>and more influential thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I like to think of him with a chocolate

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<v Speaker 2>cigar as well. Yeah, totally bumbleming, living clean and carefree. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>His crew worked with another crew for a while called

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<v Speaker 1>Los Manos the Hands when they tried to kill Barcelona

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<v Speaker 1>Minister of Police. That two groups actually met because they

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<v Speaker 1>were both plotting to kill this guy. And I think

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<v Speaker 1>they like maybe like saw each other on a steak.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not entirely sure how both of them trying to

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<v Speaker 1>kill this guy got them in touch, but they teamed up.

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<v Speaker 1>They they didn't succeed at this. It was a good plan.

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<v Speaker 1>They knew the guy's schedule, they knew his car, they

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<v Speaker 1>knew he drove down the following row in the following

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<v Speaker 1>car every day, and so they did some grand theft

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<v Speaker 1>auto shit where both teams stole some cars and then

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<v Speaker 1>showed up and they're stolen cars. El Kiko actually like

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<v Speaker 1>did the thing that actually has come up in a

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<v Speaker 1>couple other episodes too, where he like his car is

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<v Speaker 1>broken down and making air quotes here you can't see

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<v Speaker 1>them because it's an audio medium, and he's like looking

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<v Speaker 1>at the engine of his car, being like, oh, what's

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<v Speaker 1>going on with my car? But he has a Tommy

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<v Speaker 1>gun under his coat or whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Classic, Yeah, And so the car comes by and they

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<v Speaker 1>shoot it up and they killed two fascists, just not

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<v Speaker 1>the one they were looking for. Some other people were

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<v Speaker 1>driving it that day.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>It's sad.

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<v Speaker 1>I know the cops already hated the anarchists, but now

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<v Speaker 1>they hate them even more. They cracked down on all

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<v Speaker 1>of Barcelona. There became an informal curfew because all evening

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<v Speaker 1>entertainment was regularly broken up by cops demanding people's papers,

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<v Speaker 1>so no one would do anything after eight pm. There

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't any curfew. There was just a we will fuck

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<v Speaker 1>you up if you do anything. Yeah, because fashions dinner

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<v Speaker 1>and wow, that's an interesting point.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like ten pm is your gamal like having did

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<v Speaker 2>it with friends.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And for a while, anyone who hailed a cab

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<v Speaker 1>was as likely as not taken to the police station

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<v Speaker 1>to have their identity verified. Damn, which to be fair,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean one there's a lot of people in Barcelona,

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<v Speaker 1>not all of them are anarchists, but it is how

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<v Speaker 1>most of the action groups were getting around was just cabs.

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<v Speaker 1>They just all took cabs all the time.

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<v Speaker 2>But the CNT had been the cab Driver's Union was

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<v Speaker 2>an anarchist union previously. That makes a lot of sense.

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<v Speaker 2>That ties to a lot of this. That's why you're

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<v Speaker 2>such a good guess for this. Thanks for being our guest.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, Margaret, Thank you for having me. I'm enjoying

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<v Speaker 2>myself this part.

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<v Speaker 1>Cops started murdering random people because they got so jumpy

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<v Speaker 1>that anyone reaching for a wallet was sometimes shot.

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<v Speaker 2>Unprecedented.

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<v Speaker 1>Imagine cops shooting innocent people mistaking walks for guns.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm glad that hasn't happened since we fixed it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. No, absolutely only fascist societies. Only fascist cops too.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, yeah, Luckily we don't have to stay overreaching America.

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<v Speaker 3>No.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, Fascism is a specific form of government with no

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<v Speaker 1>similar characteristics to any other form of government.

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<v Speaker 2>Can only come from the Fascia reachion of Italy.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not miss Selenius.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's just sparkling authoritarianism.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So the anarchists were like well, fuck you too,

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<v Speaker 1>and some did a drive by on some cops. They

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<v Speaker 1>wounded two of the cops. The police commissioner got so

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<v Speaker 1>afraid of being assassinate that he wouldn't go home and

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<v Speaker 1>he started staying at the office, which was surrounded by

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<v Speaker 1>police at all times, who were ordered to shoot anyone

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<v Speaker 1>or any car that came within like fifty yards of

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<v Speaker 1>the police station.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, you got him on the run.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And then that the cops stationed that there were

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<v Speaker 1>cops stationed in the sewers beneath the building.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah. The anarchist loved a good sewer as well.

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<v Speaker 2>They were big on sewer operations.

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<v Speaker 1>That makes sense. Yeah, it's because they're ninja turtles.

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<v Speaker 2>I think in thirty eight they tried thirty nine, they

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<v Speaker 2>tried to blow up the police station from underneath in

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<v Speaker 2>the sewer and look out for being wet or something.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, a known method, Nos, only that would be

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<v Speaker 2>thirty five they six anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so during this particular pushback, there was all of

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<v Speaker 1>these things, and then the cops got even more mad,

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm like, how can they get more mad? They're

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<v Speaker 1>already a fascist dictatorship and hate the cops and the

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<v Speaker 1>murdering everyone, but there's just so many anarchists that there's

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<v Speaker 1>still more to murder at any given point. Yeah, the

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<v Speaker 1>cops came the closest they've been to the Sava table.

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<v Speaker 1>They raided a rail worker's house. I think just coincidentally.

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<v Speaker 1>They just like fucking with people, and they were like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>look this guy, so they raided his house. The brothers

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<v Speaker 1>and a friend were sleeping inside. A gunfight broke out

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<v Speaker 1>and it left one cop dead, another cop injured. One

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<v Speaker 1>anarchist named Jose a different Jose on Death's Door, and

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<v Speaker 1>then Jose Sabate was shot through the chest the Jose

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<v Speaker 1>on Death's Door. He was arrested after demanding Jose Sabate

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<v Speaker 1>leave him, and was executed by the fascist regime. Years later,

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen fifty, he wrote a last letter to his wife.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not going to quote it. It just makes me sad,

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<v Speaker 2>but he told her to stay close with the family

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<v Speaker 2>and that he loved her because I just want to

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<v Speaker 2>humanize some of these people as much as Yeah, but

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<v Speaker 2>Jose Sabat, with a fucking hole in his chest, held

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<v Speaker 2>up some security guards at a factory at gunpoint, and

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<v Speaker 2>then they actually just helped him make a bandage for

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<v Speaker 2>the wound. This is like, there's going to be a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of times where people do this. Oh yeah, he

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<v Speaker 2>seems like a nice guy.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so they like take off the shirt, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>He's like, give me your shirt so I can make

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<v Speaker 1>a bandage, and they're like, okay, but let me help

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<v Speaker 1>you when they make a bandage for him, and then

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<v Speaker 1>he swam across a river and made it eight miles

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<v Speaker 1>off foot to a safe house.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow. Yeah, that is some true chat shit, Like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>with a hole in his chest.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he went to a anti fascist doctor and was like, yo, doc,

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<v Speaker 1>what's up. And the doctor was like, well, you got

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<v Speaker 1>about as lucky as a guy who got shot in

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<v Speaker 1>the chest can be because it passed through that hit

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<v Speaker 1>in any vital organs.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh wow, yeah, not much space, said, it's not Vike logans.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no, I know. But the house he was planning

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<v Speaker 1>on staying at, so he decided to go stay and

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<v Speaker 1>recuperate at this one house, this safe house. But it

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't safe. It was being occupied. It was being watched

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<v Speaker 1>from an occupied house next door, and they needed a

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<v Speaker 1>way out. So the anarchists pulled a prank on the cops.

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<v Speaker 1>They sent one of their Okay, so the head of

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<v Speaker 1>one of the police forces was an ex anarchist and

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<v Speaker 1>now a fascist, and so they sent one of their

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't seem like a militant any more friends to go

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<v Speaker 1>meet up with his friend, the head of the police,

0:20:05.200 --> 0:20:10.480
<v Speaker 1>the former anarchist, and the secretly down guy is just like, man,

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<v Speaker 1>isn't it weird? The other cops not your group, but

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<v Speaker 1>the group of cops that you're kind of in conflict

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<v Speaker 1>with over like who gets to, you know, pissing rights

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<v Speaker 1>in this part of town. They've occupied a house and

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<v Speaker 1>so the cops are like, oh, fuck, someone's on our turf.

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<v Speaker 2>They raid the other cops.

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<v Speaker 1>They yeah, more or less they at least go argue

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<v Speaker 1>in a fairly confrontational way. Yeah, and Jose escapes into confusion.

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<v Speaker 2>Amazing the two. Yeah, fantastic.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's not just it's not that this guy's life

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<v Speaker 1>would be a movie. It's that this guy's life would

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<v Speaker 1>be the Fast and Furious eight movies.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Both also been simultaneously like too crazy

0:20:54.600 --> 0:20:57.879
<v Speaker 2>to be fictionized and unbelievable.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah totally. What else is un believable? Are these deals?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh? Magnificent? Thanks? Thanks?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, oh yeah, I'm just really just don't clap.

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<v Speaker 1>One thing you do is.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah saying I was gonna say one thing Margaret

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<v Speaker 2>killed he loves is selling products. Yeah, totally engaging in

0:21:25.200 --> 0:21:29.399
<v Speaker 2>the cash nexers. Yeah, that's absolutely what I'm so excited about.

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<v Speaker 2>And here you go, here's the ads, and we're back.

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<v Speaker 2>So the two brothers are like, we should get out

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<v Speaker 2>of Spain again. Let's go to Toulouse, which is not

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<v Speaker 2>in Spain, it's in France. It's very nice sitting and

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<v Speaker 2>at one point Francisco pretended to be recently released from

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<v Speaker 2>an asylum.

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<v Speaker 3>Guy.

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<v Speaker 1>He always had these disguises. He's like, oh yeah, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and this time he's like, ooh, I just got out

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<v Speaker 1>of the madhouse. And then at one point he goes

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<v Speaker 1>up to a peasant and he robs the peasant of

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<v Speaker 1>his cart and he's like, can I give you like

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<v Speaker 1>fifty grand for your cart? Which is me converting very badly,

0:22:11.880 --> 0:22:14.480
<v Speaker 1>trying to use the internet to convert nineteen forties that

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<v Speaker 1>set us to modern dollars. Gives the guy like fifty

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<v Speaker 1>grand for his cart, and the guy's like, yeah, you

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<v Speaker 1>can have my cart.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it sounds like a good deal.

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<v Speaker 1>He just basically like changed this man's class position. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that man's children do bad than life because robbed by sabote.

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<v Speaker 2>Lucrative cart deal.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but there's one problem. He went back to France,

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<v Speaker 1>but Alkiko had been tried in absentia by the French,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, because the French were like, well it was

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<v Speaker 1>fine when you had bombs in France to free France

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<v Speaker 1>from fascists, but remember how you're not allowed to have

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<v Speaker 1>bombs in France to free Spain from fascists.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I remember how we learned so much from

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<v Speaker 2>like taking the Ellen a war and on population surviving

0:22:58.000 --> 0:23:01.280
<v Speaker 2>and defending freedom. Yeah, let to make sure that can't

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<v Speaker 2>happen again.

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<v Speaker 1>No, not, absolutely not. He made a good try for it.

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<v Speaker 1>He was at home and Leoner just distracted the cops

0:23:08.960 --> 0:23:10.720
<v Speaker 1>at the door while he escaped out the attic. But

0:23:10.800 --> 0:23:13.639
<v Speaker 1>the cops sick dogs on him and got him, and

0:23:14.000 --> 0:23:16.000
<v Speaker 1>he spent a year in French prison and then five

0:23:16.080 --> 0:23:18.160
<v Speaker 1>years on probation where he was stuck in de Jon,

0:23:18.560 --> 0:23:22.760
<v Speaker 1>which is a place in France where sparkling mustard comes from.

0:23:23.440 --> 0:23:26.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I've lost some skin in that town. Oh shit,

0:23:26.560 --> 0:23:35.320
<v Speaker 2>I ass biker. Oh yeah, yeah, not a bad gambling debt.

0:23:35.960 --> 0:23:39.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah no, no, no. Literally, parts of my body was

0:23:39.080 --> 0:23:40.680
<v Speaker 2>scraped off by the rose of Jean.

0:23:41.600 --> 0:23:45.240
<v Speaker 1>Okay, okay, yeah yeah, much like it's scraped five years

0:23:45.280 --> 0:23:50.960
<v Speaker 1>off of Sabate's prime fighting life. Meanwhile, the struggle continued.

0:23:51.119 --> 0:23:53.479
<v Speaker 1>More and more anarchists are getting gunned down, including those

0:23:53.480 --> 0:23:58.240
<v Speaker 1>who had tried to stay legal within fascist Spain. Enter

0:23:58.800 --> 0:24:02.800
<v Speaker 1>Manuel Sabate, the youngest Sabate brother. He hadn't been ten

0:24:02.880 --> 0:24:05.480
<v Speaker 1>years old when the Civil War started. When he was

0:24:05.520 --> 0:24:08.359
<v Speaker 1>sixteen and civil war was over, he traveled around as

0:24:08.359 --> 0:24:11.040
<v Speaker 1>a train hopper for a while, Like literally he got

0:24:11.080 --> 0:24:13.119
<v Speaker 1>a knapsack and rode around on freight trains because the

0:24:13.160 --> 0:24:18.560
<v Speaker 1>anarchist traditions I continue across the oceans, I guess. But

0:24:18.640 --> 0:24:21.359
<v Speaker 1>he was an adult now and there was adult stuff

0:24:21.400 --> 0:24:24.520
<v Speaker 1>that needed doing, like stopping fascism. So he made his

0:24:24.560 --> 0:24:26.760
<v Speaker 1>way into France and started working at a cooperative near

0:24:26.840 --> 0:24:31.160
<v Speaker 1>the border. And his gorilla brothers were like, oh god,

0:24:31.800 --> 0:24:34.840
<v Speaker 1>don't join us, learn a trade, live your life. We

0:24:34.960 --> 0:24:36.080
<v Speaker 1>are doomed, do you know that?

0:24:36.240 --> 0:24:36.359
<v Speaker 3>Right?

0:24:36.480 --> 0:24:39.680
<v Speaker 1>Like we are fucking dead men walking. Try telling that

0:24:39.760 --> 0:24:44.040
<v Speaker 1>to a twenty year old anarchist. His brothers told all

0:24:44.040 --> 0:24:46.960
<v Speaker 1>the anarchist groups. You can't let our baby brother join you.

0:24:49.680 --> 0:24:52.440
<v Speaker 1>For Jose, the dead men walking thing came true the earliest.

0:24:53.359 --> 0:24:57.160
<v Speaker 1>On October seventeenth, nineteen forty nine, Jose was successfully trapped

0:24:57.200 --> 0:24:59.680
<v Speaker 1>on the streets of Barcelona and basically went down in

0:24:59.680 --> 0:25:02.080
<v Speaker 1>a hail gunfire, killing one of the cops who murdered him.

0:25:03.359 --> 0:25:06.399
<v Speaker 1>And with Alqiko in jail and Jose dead in Spain,

0:25:07.040 --> 0:25:09.720
<v Speaker 1>Manuel was like, well, I'm joining a fucking action group

0:25:09.760 --> 0:25:14.400
<v Speaker 1>and now my brothers can't stop me. And the first

0:25:14.440 --> 0:25:15.960
<v Speaker 1>thing they did is they tried to pull a grand

0:25:16.000 --> 0:25:18.560
<v Speaker 1>theft auto but the car didn't stop, so they shot

0:25:18.640 --> 0:25:21.960
<v Speaker 1>it up and they injured a young serving girl who

0:25:22.040 --> 0:25:25.000
<v Speaker 1>was not exactly the class enemy for anyone who's keeping track.

0:25:25.880 --> 0:25:28.760
<v Speaker 1>Soon the area was swarming with cops. Manuel Sabate was

0:25:28.840 --> 0:25:32.080
<v Speaker 1>arrested and basically when the cops figured out his last name,

0:25:32.119 --> 0:25:32.639
<v Speaker 1>they killed him.

0:25:33.600 --> 0:25:34.120
<v Speaker 3>Ah fuck.

0:25:34.960 --> 0:25:40.000
<v Speaker 1>On February twenty fourth, nineteen fifty, the winner of nineteen

0:25:40.040 --> 0:25:42.520
<v Speaker 1>forty nine to nineteen fifty, the fascists took out most

0:25:42.560 --> 0:25:45.440
<v Speaker 1>of the action groups. This is the end of the

0:25:46.640 --> 0:25:49.760
<v Speaker 1>time when they are common. Every named character we've had

0:25:49.840 --> 0:25:54.120
<v Speaker 1>until now, besides for al Qiko and Leoner are dead,

0:25:54.280 --> 0:25:57.359
<v Speaker 1>the hands the bread eater dead. I think Rosette is

0:25:57.440 --> 0:26:02.520
<v Speaker 1>just in prison. The thing is, though they had done

0:26:02.560 --> 0:26:05.479
<v Speaker 1>a lot of good and popular descent was picking up.

0:26:05.480 --> 0:26:08.199
<v Speaker 1>Even as the action groups were getting gunned down, they

0:26:08.840 --> 0:26:11.880
<v Speaker 1>kept the flame alive in a lot of ways. Protests

0:26:11.920 --> 0:26:15.040
<v Speaker 1>started up. It started with students, of course, as it

0:26:15.119 --> 0:26:17.720
<v Speaker 1>kind of always does, and it moved to workers. In

0:26:17.800 --> 0:26:20.840
<v Speaker 1>nineteen fifty one, there's a general strike in Barcelona. It

0:26:20.960 --> 0:26:23.000
<v Speaker 1>spread from there. More than one hundred and fifty thousand

0:26:23.000 --> 0:26:25.520
<v Speaker 1>workers went on strike. Soldiers had to be shipped in

0:26:25.600 --> 0:26:29.720
<v Speaker 1>from Madrid to put it down. The repression, though, made

0:26:29.760 --> 0:26:32.800
<v Speaker 1>its way to France also. Southern France was full of

0:26:32.840 --> 0:26:36.040
<v Speaker 1>Spanish anarchists at this point. They were the largest chunk

0:26:36.080 --> 0:26:39.399
<v Speaker 1>of the exiles from Spain by a fair amount. So

0:26:40.119 --> 0:26:42.399
<v Speaker 1>when a couple of anarchists tried to rob an armored

0:26:42.440 --> 0:26:44.800
<v Speaker 1>car in France and some guards were killed, the press

0:26:44.840 --> 0:26:47.439
<v Speaker 1>denounced the anarchists and the courts started rounding people up.

0:26:48.040 --> 0:26:51.760
<v Speaker 1>But there was one problem. Everyone really liked the anarchists.

0:26:54.160 --> 0:26:57.480
<v Speaker 1>They were like generally nice and upstanding people who like

0:26:58.560 --> 0:27:00.439
<v Speaker 1>probably weren't hiding what they were about.

0:27:01.359 --> 0:27:04.720
<v Speaker 2>You know. Yeah, there was going about not hurting people

0:27:04.760 --> 0:27:07.040
<v Speaker 2>who weren't hurting them, as ikis should do.

0:27:07.400 --> 0:27:10.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So when once Spanish anarchist guerrilla was arrested and

0:27:10.800 --> 0:27:14.000
<v Speaker 1>to lose in France, Spain was like extradite him, please,

0:27:14.160 --> 0:27:17.280
<v Speaker 1>he is a crime guy, and France was like, we're

0:27:17.280 --> 0:27:19.200
<v Speaker 1>actually not even going to consider your request.

0:27:20.720 --> 0:27:20.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:27:21.160 --> 0:27:22.560
<v Speaker 1>Nice, and he was set free.

0:27:23.880 --> 0:27:24.280
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah.

0:27:24.359 --> 0:27:27.439
<v Speaker 1>The French police were not as nice as Sabote. They

0:27:27.520 --> 0:27:29.840
<v Speaker 1>arrested him again in nineteen fifty one and tortured a

0:27:29.880 --> 0:27:32.440
<v Speaker 1>confession out of him having something to do with that robbery,

0:27:32.560 --> 0:27:36.080
<v Speaker 1>the which I frankly do not know if he had

0:27:36.080 --> 0:27:38.480
<v Speaker 1>anything to do with. The torture was so bad that

0:27:38.560 --> 0:27:41.280
<v Speaker 1>he either tried to kill himself, which is what is

0:27:41.359 --> 0:27:45.520
<v Speaker 1>like claimed, or he he either got thrown out the

0:27:45.560 --> 0:27:47.919
<v Speaker 1>window or he threw himself out the window. And there

0:27:48.000 --> 0:27:50.400
<v Speaker 1>was kind of a thing going around of defenestrating anarchists

0:27:50.400 --> 0:27:53.200
<v Speaker 1>and police stations. There's a play called The Accidental Death

0:27:53.240 --> 0:27:53.800
<v Speaker 1>of an Anarchist.

0:27:53.960 --> 0:27:58.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I have acted in their play in high school. Yeah,

0:28:00.119 --> 0:28:02.000
<v Speaker 2>use what play to do? We were like that one.

0:28:02.440 --> 0:28:05.639
<v Speaker 1>They were like, okay, it's real funny. I watched the

0:28:05.680 --> 0:28:08.600
<v Speaker 1>BBC production of it one time. It's good.

0:28:08.960 --> 0:28:10.760
<v Speaker 2>It's a good play at Dario Foe.

0:28:11.040 --> 0:28:12.200
<v Speaker 1>Right, yeah, that sounds right.

0:28:12.880 --> 0:28:16.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, damn, that's a throwback that had not been expecting. Yeah.

0:28:17.080 --> 0:28:20.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he survives getting thrown out the window or throwing

0:28:20.160 --> 0:28:23.399
<v Speaker 1>himself out the window. Part of his crime that he

0:28:23.480 --> 0:28:27.159
<v Speaker 1>was accused of was associating with evildoers, but they had

0:28:27.240 --> 0:28:29.120
<v Speaker 1>gotten a confreshion out of him, right, isn't that real?

0:28:29.280 --> 0:28:29.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

0:28:29.520 --> 0:28:32.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah, great, good that the state gets to

0:28:32.359 --> 0:28:35.160
<v Speaker 2>decide these things. Yeah, totally hate So wonderful, aren't they. Yeah.

0:28:36.920 --> 0:28:39.200
<v Speaker 1>Eventually, in nineteen fifty two, the confession and the case

0:28:39.240 --> 0:28:41.680
<v Speaker 1>were thrown out because it was so obviously induced by torture.

0:28:42.760 --> 0:28:44.760
<v Speaker 1>He was still in probation from that shit before though,

0:28:44.800 --> 0:28:48.800
<v Speaker 1>and not allowed to leave the area. Then in nineteen

0:28:48.840 --> 0:28:50.680
<v Speaker 1>fifty five, as soon as he was free, he got

0:28:50.760 --> 0:28:53.880
<v Speaker 1>himself over to Spain, and every time he went back

0:28:53.920 --> 0:28:55.680
<v Speaker 1>to Spain, he went back to his hometown and made

0:28:55.680 --> 0:28:57.360
<v Speaker 1>sure to like say hi to everyone and be nice

0:28:57.400 --> 0:28:59.000
<v Speaker 1>to the old people and shit, even though he's like

0:28:59.600 --> 0:29:05.160
<v Speaker 1>literally public enemy number one in Spain. Yeah, it wasn't

0:29:05.200 --> 0:29:07.560
<v Speaker 1>a social call. His main thing was trying to form

0:29:07.600 --> 0:29:13.400
<v Speaker 1>the CNT again. And the Anarchosinicalist Union that controlled most Catalonia,

0:29:14.960 --> 0:29:19.240
<v Speaker 1>even though actually Sabote was like increasingly I keep hinting

0:29:19.280 --> 0:29:21.320
<v Speaker 1>that that the CNT kind of doesn't like him anymore,

0:29:21.440 --> 0:29:25.480
<v Speaker 1>but he likes the CNT. They disagreed with his reckless

0:29:25.520 --> 0:29:28.000
<v Speaker 1>solve all problems with guns and bombs attitude, or they

0:29:28.040 --> 0:29:31.320
<v Speaker 1>were cowards. It depends on who you ask. I actually

0:29:31.400 --> 0:29:32.840
<v Speaker 1>don't have an opinion one way or the other.

0:29:33.200 --> 0:29:33.600
<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

0:29:33.920 --> 0:29:37.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's hard to find it in my heart to

0:29:37.320 --> 0:29:40.480
<v Speaker 2>blame people who are living under a dictatorship that frequently

0:29:40.600 --> 0:29:43.600
<v Speaker 2>murdered their friends for yeah, you know, yeah, their choices

0:29:43.640 --> 0:29:44.600
<v Speaker 2>that they made totally.

0:29:46.200 --> 0:29:48.640
<v Speaker 1>And so the actual tag groups he was forming weren't CNT.

0:29:48.880 --> 0:29:51.960
<v Speaker 1>They were in arcosyndicalist groups, but he was also trying

0:29:52.000 --> 0:29:54.680
<v Speaker 1>to recreate the CNT. Also, he wanted to keep them separate,

0:29:54.720 --> 0:29:57.680
<v Speaker 1>but he wanted to do both, and this time he

0:29:57.880 --> 0:30:01.719
<v Speaker 1>was mostly there to do propaganda. He hijacked a taxi

0:30:01.840 --> 0:30:07.080
<v Speaker 1>to distribute a four page pamphlet called El Combate on

0:30:07.240 --> 0:30:10.040
<v Speaker 1>the thirtieth of April go Ahead, I.

0:30:10.040 --> 0:30:12.480
<v Speaker 2>Think that was the name of anoder anarchist newspaper.

0:30:12.080 --> 0:30:15.640
<v Speaker 1>Okay cool. On the thirtieth of April nineteen fifty five,

0:30:16.560 --> 0:30:19.160
<v Speaker 1>hoping to spark some Mayda shit, you know for may

0:30:19.240 --> 0:30:23.520
<v Speaker 1>first yea. And the way he did this he brought

0:30:23.600 --> 0:30:26.560
<v Speaker 1>with him from France. He made his own leaflet mortar.

0:30:27.560 --> 0:30:34.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, in an age before podcasts, our lives could have

0:30:34.360 --> 0:30:35.080
<v Speaker 2>been so different.

0:30:37.600 --> 0:30:41.000
<v Speaker 1>He made a fucking diy mortar. But that shoots paper

0:30:41.040 --> 0:30:43.120
<v Speaker 1>into the air and then the leaflets fall down onto

0:30:43.120 --> 0:30:47.400
<v Speaker 1>the street. And so when Franco visit Barcelona, he fired

0:30:47.440 --> 0:30:48.959
<v Speaker 1>it out of the sun roof of a taxi.

0:30:50.600 --> 0:30:51.120
<v Speaker 2>Even better.

0:30:51.560 --> 0:30:55.480
<v Speaker 1>Yes, he also started soapboxing, the kinds of speeches you

0:30:55.560 --> 0:30:58.040
<v Speaker 1>can't give in fascist Spain. The way he did it

0:30:58.760 --> 0:31:03.400
<v Speaker 1>here's podcasting hero Sabote. He pre recorded them and played

0:31:03.440 --> 0:31:06.040
<v Speaker 1>them off of tapes in crowded places full of workers.

0:31:06.880 --> 0:31:12.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. The first podcast, yeah, yeah, amazing, that's great. There.

0:31:12.400 --> 0:31:15.240
<v Speaker 2>He just just like, would they just start up from nowhere?

0:31:15.600 --> 0:31:18.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? And then he and his friends they were also

0:31:18.720 --> 0:31:23.320
<v Speaker 1>robbing banks right at one point in his friend cool podcasts. Yeah, yeah,

0:31:23.480 --> 0:31:26.760
<v Speaker 1>that's how do you think we pay for these? I actually.

0:31:28.200 --> 0:31:31.360
<v Speaker 2>Isn't. The Ragan coin guy ain't given a shit, want

0:31:31.400 --> 0:31:36.200
<v Speaker 2>to be honest with you, Yeah, we're trying to go clean. Yeah,

0:31:36.800 --> 0:31:38.880
<v Speaker 2>that's why we wear Nixon masks when we rub the banks.

0:31:39.040 --> 0:31:42.200
<v Speaker 1>And well we're podcast. So at one point, he and

0:31:42.280 --> 0:31:43.880
<v Speaker 1>his friends rob a bank and get away when a

0:31:43.920 --> 0:31:45.960
<v Speaker 1>taxi like they always do, and they tip the driver

0:31:46.120 --> 0:31:50.520
<v Speaker 1>like eight thousand dollars or something, and then also immediately

0:31:50.560 --> 0:31:53.200
<v Speaker 1>say every time they do this, they say, go straight

0:31:53.280 --> 0:31:56.160
<v Speaker 1>to the police and tell them everything so that they

0:31:56.200 --> 0:32:01.200
<v Speaker 1>don't hold you as an accessory. Yeah, well to considerate guys,

0:32:01.360 --> 0:32:04.240
<v Speaker 1>I know, which is how you become a Robin Hood

0:32:04.320 --> 0:32:07.160
<v Speaker 1>and not a random crime guy.

0:32:08.000 --> 0:32:08.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:32:08.920 --> 0:32:12.880
<v Speaker 1>Another time they rob, they rob this bank expertly, like

0:32:12.960 --> 0:32:14.880
<v Speaker 1>a cop pulls a gun and they're like, no, no,

0:32:15.160 --> 0:32:17.760
<v Speaker 1>not today, and they just disarm him because they're like

0:32:17.840 --> 0:32:20.720
<v Speaker 1>not trying to like they actually like mostly try not

0:32:20.840 --> 0:32:23.880
<v Speaker 1>to kill people, including like tools of the fascist state,

0:32:23.960 --> 0:32:27.720
<v Speaker 1>unless they specifically want to assassinate specific people. So they

0:32:27.800 --> 0:32:30.400
<v Speaker 1>disarm the cop and then they place a fake bomb

0:32:30.560 --> 0:32:32.800
<v Speaker 1>near the entrance and they're like you'd better run and

0:32:32.840 --> 0:32:36.200
<v Speaker 1>take cover because of this bomb, and everyone runs and

0:32:36.280 --> 0:32:38.320
<v Speaker 1>take cover, and then it like the bomb never goes off,

0:32:39.080 --> 0:32:41.960
<v Speaker 1>and finally when the bomb police or whatever show up,

0:32:42.760 --> 0:32:45.560
<v Speaker 1>it's just full of sand and a note that says,

0:32:46.320 --> 0:32:48.719
<v Speaker 1>I'm not as bloodthirsty as the press makes me out

0:32:48.800 --> 0:32:48.920
<v Speaker 1>to be.

0:32:49.120 --> 0:32:52.600
<v Speaker 2>Basically amazing.

0:32:52.800 --> 0:32:54.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, now you all just have PTSD.

0:32:55.560 --> 0:32:58.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, forever traumatized, but you're not dead. Yeah.

0:33:00.160 --> 0:33:04.160
<v Speaker 1>So he's famous again. He's public enemy number one, and

0:33:04.360 --> 0:33:08.160
<v Speaker 1>the fascists are being fascists and they round up everyone

0:33:08.160 --> 0:33:12.160
<v Speaker 1>who's suspected of knowing him. So this time he wants

0:33:12.200 --> 0:33:13.840
<v Speaker 1>to get back to France. He's just pulled off this

0:33:14.000 --> 0:33:19.440
<v Speaker 1>crazy robbery. They've gotten a million pasettas, which actually seemed

0:33:19.480 --> 0:33:22.120
<v Speaker 1>to roughly equal about a dollar in twenty twenty three,

0:33:22.760 --> 0:33:25.560
<v Speaker 1>but with a wide range of possible failure. When I

0:33:25.600 --> 0:33:28.680
<v Speaker 1>asked a website how much is this worth? And whatever?

0:33:28.800 --> 0:33:34.160
<v Speaker 1>They got a million fucking dollars And it's it's our

0:33:34.200 --> 0:33:38.360
<v Speaker 1>guy named Guy, and then it's another bank robber guy

0:33:38.400 --> 0:33:40.840
<v Speaker 1>that he doesn't trust. And then the other third person

0:33:40.880 --> 0:33:42.840
<v Speaker 1>who's coming with them across the border as a woman

0:33:43.800 --> 0:33:46.040
<v Speaker 1>who he does trust. And the book uses the name

0:33:46.120 --> 0:33:47.920
<v Speaker 1>Maria for her because the book was written in nineteen

0:33:47.960 --> 0:33:50.120
<v Speaker 1>seventy four and she was still alive and so is Franco.

0:33:51.240 --> 0:33:54.760
<v Speaker 1>So she was like, yeah, Maria, my name's totally Maria.

0:33:55.480 --> 0:33:57.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that is my only name.

0:33:57.240 --> 0:33:59.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And this time they take a route that they

0:33:59.760 --> 0:34:02.520
<v Speaker 1>haven't used in more than a decade. They I think

0:34:02.560 --> 0:34:05.440
<v Speaker 1>it's like way west from where they usually cross, and

0:34:06.000 --> 0:34:09.920
<v Speaker 1>they get lost, and so they recruit an old charcoal

0:34:10.000 --> 0:34:11.960
<v Speaker 1>burner to help them find the way. I had to

0:34:11.960 --> 0:34:15.120
<v Speaker 1>look at it bot anymore. Yeah, I had to look

0:34:15.160 --> 0:34:16.760
<v Speaker 1>it up. It means you make charcoal.

0:34:17.680 --> 0:34:20.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I think I have actually seen people doing that

0:34:20.480 --> 0:34:21.760
<v Speaker 2>in some of my work travels.

0:34:21.840 --> 0:34:24.759
<v Speaker 1>That's cool. The charcoal burner was a trade unionist who

0:34:24.760 --> 0:34:26.560
<v Speaker 1>had been arrested in torture by the fascists, and he

0:34:26.640 --> 0:34:28.960
<v Speaker 1>wanted nothing to do with any of it. But when

0:34:29.000 --> 0:34:31.759
<v Speaker 1>he was called upon, he helped them out and like

0:34:32.000 --> 0:34:34.399
<v Speaker 1>sent his kid to direct them back onto the path.

0:34:34.880 --> 0:34:36.879
<v Speaker 1>They left an envelope with a fuck ton of money

0:34:36.880 --> 0:34:40.080
<v Speaker 1>in his house. Before they left, another woman fed them

0:34:40.200 --> 0:34:42.600
<v Speaker 1>her husband was in prison three years already because he'd

0:34:42.600 --> 0:34:46.560
<v Speaker 1>gone to a socialist meeting. And everywhere they stopped, they

0:34:46.600 --> 0:34:48.640
<v Speaker 1>paid people like ten times what the food they ate

0:34:48.719 --> 0:34:50.400
<v Speaker 1>was worth. Like one of them was like, here's for

0:34:50.520 --> 0:34:54.040
<v Speaker 1>your daughter's raincoat, and they gave like, you know, ten

0:34:54.120 --> 0:34:58.400
<v Speaker 1>times as much money as raincoat costs. But then the

0:34:58.440 --> 0:35:02.279
<v Speaker 1>bank robber guy. He stole the money and left while

0:35:02.280 --> 0:35:03.280
<v Speaker 1>they're still longs.

0:35:03.719 --> 0:35:05.520
<v Speaker 2>Oh what absolute piece of shit.

0:35:06.520 --> 0:35:12.319
<v Speaker 1>Fortunately you kind of can't get away with this such good.

0:35:12.480 --> 0:35:15.239
<v Speaker 2>This is what happens when you create, like you leave

0:35:15.320 --> 0:35:18.360
<v Speaker 2>a positive vibe when you go through places, right, you

0:35:18.440 --> 0:35:20.640
<v Speaker 2>create sorlidarity, and it makes it a lot higher for

0:35:20.680 --> 0:35:21.920
<v Speaker 2>people to fuck with you.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, totally, just like some ad thing. For example, all

0:35:32.680 --> 0:35:35.439
<v Speaker 1>of the products and services that come after this could

0:35:35.480 --> 0:35:38.120
<v Speaker 1>be yours for free. All you gotta do is this

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<v Speaker 1>one trick. Create a society based on solidarity and mutual aid. Yeah,

0:35:44.160 --> 0:35:47.919
<v Speaker 1>or crime that's another Yeah, not a society based on crime,

0:35:48.000 --> 0:35:52.640
<v Speaker 1>but yeah, or you know, do things the standard way

0:35:52.760 --> 0:35:54.799
<v Speaker 1>like I'm clearly doing and I'm a hypocrite for telling

0:35:54.880 --> 0:35:55.440
<v Speaker 1>you otherwise.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Yeah, which is start a podcast and get Ronald

0:35:59.200 --> 0:36:01.000
<v Speaker 2>Reagan bunce you had.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the ghost of Ronald Reagan. Yeah, or maybe he's

0:36:04.400 --> 0:36:09.960
<v Speaker 1>lich what's so dead? His philactory is these coins. If

0:36:10.000 --> 0:36:11.440
<v Speaker 1>you buy the coins, you have a little piece of

0:36:11.520 --> 0:36:12.120
<v Speaker 1>his soul.

0:36:13.320 --> 0:36:16.879
<v Speaker 2>Okay? Is that like a whole crux? Yeah? Yeah, less

0:36:16.960 --> 0:36:21.120
<v Speaker 2>turfy option yeah and older. It's what is where the

0:36:21.200 --> 0:36:26.000
<v Speaker 2>guys that woman stole from she plagiarized. Okay, yeah, shocked

0:36:26.120 --> 0:36:28.759
<v Speaker 2>shocked to hear that such a morally upstanding person I know,

0:36:29.239 --> 0:36:30.399
<v Speaker 2>jk Rowning, I know who.

0:36:30.560 --> 0:36:39.879
<v Speaker 1>Is totally not litagious. Anyway, here's some ads and we're back.

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<v Speaker 1>So the bank robber guy had just stolen the money

0:36:43.400 --> 0:36:46.279
<v Speaker 1>and run off, and Sabat and Maria tracked him down.

0:36:47.480 --> 0:36:49.360
<v Speaker 1>They were like, he's just gonna go to the nearest

0:36:49.400 --> 0:36:51.560
<v Speaker 1>town and buy him fucking alcohol. So they went to

0:36:51.640 --> 0:36:53.880
<v Speaker 1>the nearest down they found him walking out of the

0:36:53.880 --> 0:36:59.160
<v Speaker 1>alcohol store common straight edge. W Yeah, yeah totally, And

0:36:59.280 --> 0:37:02.000
<v Speaker 1>he was like, oh, I totally wasn't trying to ditch you.

0:37:02.360 --> 0:37:07.040
<v Speaker 1>I had to run because some cops came by. And

0:37:07.680 --> 0:37:10.560
<v Speaker 1>they then spend like three days in a slow motion

0:37:10.840 --> 0:37:14.239
<v Speaker 1>standoff where they know that this bank. They're moving through

0:37:14.280 --> 0:37:17.440
<v Speaker 1>the mountains pretending to be friends. The other guy has

0:37:17.760 --> 0:37:20.640
<v Speaker 1>his hand on his gun under his coat the entire time,

0:37:21.880 --> 0:37:23.760
<v Speaker 1>and so they have to like watch him, and Sabata

0:37:23.880 --> 0:37:27.480
<v Speaker 1>is just like not sleeping right right, and neither's the

0:37:27.560 --> 0:37:30.960
<v Speaker 1>other guy, and they're just like and geez, and so

0:37:31.040 --> 0:37:35.600
<v Speaker 1>they're just like slowly walking through the mountains waiting for

0:37:35.680 --> 0:37:37.840
<v Speaker 1>a chance to sick someone to get the drop on

0:37:37.960 --> 0:37:42.920
<v Speaker 1>someone else. Yeah, And finally at one point he like

0:37:43.080 --> 0:37:47.160
<v Speaker 1>takes a drink with both hands on the cup, you know, yeah, yeah,

0:37:48.239 --> 0:37:53.360
<v Speaker 1>and Maria uh and Sabate basically like, Sabate pulls a

0:37:53.360 --> 0:37:55.520
<v Speaker 1>gun and Maria disarms him and is like and Maria's

0:37:55.600 --> 0:37:57.480
<v Speaker 1>like found where all of his knives are by like

0:37:57.520 --> 0:37:59.520
<v Speaker 1>carefully watching him the whole time. So disarms him, not

0:37:59.600 --> 0:38:01.440
<v Speaker 1>just of the gun, but all of the knives and stuff.

0:38:01.440 --> 0:38:05.640
<v Speaker 1>And they take the money back, and since this is Sabate,

0:38:06.280 --> 0:38:09.360
<v Speaker 1>he doesn't kill him. He gives him a speech about

0:38:09.440 --> 0:38:12.080
<v Speaker 1>anarchy and the need to be selfless in the cause

0:38:12.160 --> 0:38:15.800
<v Speaker 1>of revolution, and then says, we will take you to

0:38:15.920 --> 0:38:19.799
<v Speaker 1>France because he's wanted in Spain and he'll kill him.

0:38:20.440 --> 0:38:20.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:38:20.880 --> 0:38:23.080
<v Speaker 1>So they take him to France, give him some money,

0:38:24.160 --> 0:38:25.080
<v Speaker 1>and never see him again.

0:38:25.680 --> 0:38:27.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, morally upstanding gun.

0:38:27.880 --> 0:38:31.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but there's a problem. It's the similar problem that

0:38:31.160 --> 0:38:33.600
<v Speaker 1>he keeps running into when he goes to France. The

0:38:33.680 --> 0:38:36.719
<v Speaker 1>world is moving towards accepting a fascist Spain with a

0:38:36.760 --> 0:38:40.120
<v Speaker 1>dictator who won power Viakup. France is starting to cooperate

0:38:40.160 --> 0:38:43.600
<v Speaker 1>with Franco more and more. An arrested comrade in Spain

0:38:43.760 --> 0:38:47.320
<v Speaker 1>is tortured and he leads French, which leads French cops

0:38:47.320 --> 0:38:50.280
<v Speaker 1>to a Sabate stash of guns in France, and Sabate

0:38:50.400 --> 0:38:52.880
<v Speaker 1>is now wanted in France too, but he won't go

0:38:53.000 --> 0:38:55.200
<v Speaker 1>on the run in France. That's like not his vibe.

0:38:55.719 --> 0:38:58.799
<v Speaker 1>So he turns himself in and his defense in court

0:38:58.960 --> 0:39:01.760
<v Speaker 1>is basically like, well, yeah, those are those are my guns.

0:39:01.800 --> 0:39:06.840
<v Speaker 1>Those are for shooting fascists in Spain, yea. And the

0:39:06.920 --> 0:39:10.000
<v Speaker 1>court is like, those are indeed mitigating circumstances. We're going

0:39:10.080 --> 0:39:14.279
<v Speaker 1>to reduce your sentence. However, this is not your first time,

0:39:14.520 --> 0:39:16.160
<v Speaker 1>so we're also going to up it. So he gets

0:39:16.200 --> 0:39:21.439
<v Speaker 1>eight months. Oh wow, yeah, which I could totally see

0:39:21.480 --> 0:39:25.080
<v Speaker 1>them being like, well it's good, but it's illegal, so

0:39:25.880 --> 0:39:31.000
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, you know, split the difference. Yeah, and

0:39:31.080 --> 0:39:33.399
<v Speaker 1>they tell him that he's trapped into Jean for another

0:39:33.480 --> 0:39:38.560
<v Speaker 1>fucking five years. Scraping James's skin off of the pavement

0:39:39.400 --> 0:39:40.040
<v Speaker 1>from the future.

0:39:40.360 --> 0:39:44.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, it's a wait punishment. I know, it's very

0:39:44.480 --> 0:39:46.440
<v Speaker 2>come up with him. Yeah, French'll be at that.

0:39:46.600 --> 0:39:49.319
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and that's why someone pushed you while you're riding

0:39:49.360 --> 0:39:52.080
<v Speaker 1>your bike. You were the first James Stout who rode

0:39:52.080 --> 0:39:55.479
<v Speaker 1>through the streets. So yeah, when Sabote got out of prison,

0:39:55.560 --> 0:39:59.560
<v Speaker 1>he started working as an HVAC repairmanka and building up

0:39:59.600 --> 0:40:03.320
<v Speaker 1>contact and even more resistance fighters had died while he

0:40:03.400 --> 0:40:06.000
<v Speaker 1>was in prison. One of his old friends, an Italian

0:40:06.040 --> 0:40:08.880
<v Speaker 1>named Face, went down in a hail of gunfire as

0:40:08.920 --> 0:40:12.680
<v Speaker 1>he tried to cross the border into Spain and the

0:40:13.080 --> 0:40:15.880
<v Speaker 1>resistance communities in exile, the ones in France were just

0:40:15.920 --> 0:40:19.000
<v Speaker 1>like not interested his brand of resistance anymore. But he

0:40:19.800 --> 0:40:24.239
<v Speaker 1>he can't quit, like he he's like constitutionally incapable of

0:40:24.320 --> 0:40:26.560
<v Speaker 1>quitting and like morally incapable of quitting. He has friends

0:40:26.640 --> 0:40:29.239
<v Speaker 1>rotting in prison. One of his friends, I think it

0:40:29.360 --> 0:40:32.440
<v Speaker 1>was Rosette, wrote him and was like living like a

0:40:32.600 --> 0:40:35.719
<v Speaker 1>lord over there in France while I rot in prisons.

0:40:36.000 --> 0:40:40.840
<v Speaker 1>Fuck you know, because he's like living this nightmare of

0:40:40.960 --> 0:40:44.560
<v Speaker 1>everyone dying around like whatever. Yeah, it constantly on their ready,

0:40:45.239 --> 0:40:47.600
<v Speaker 1>And he has friends and brothers, two of them at

0:40:47.680 --> 0:40:52.359
<v Speaker 1>least rotting in the ground. So he crosses over into

0:40:52.400 --> 0:40:55.800
<v Speaker 1>Spain a final time in December nineteen fifty nine, but

0:40:55.880 --> 0:40:58.880
<v Speaker 1>the French authorities had tipped off the fascists and so

0:40:59.040 --> 0:41:01.960
<v Speaker 1>he and his companions four other anarchists with him. They're

0:41:02.000 --> 0:41:05.399
<v Speaker 1>met with gunfire. They take refuge in a farmhouse which

0:41:05.480 --> 0:41:08.480
<v Speaker 1>was soon laid siege by the fascists, and the fighting

0:41:08.600 --> 0:41:11.080
<v Speaker 1>lasted all day and into the night, and during the

0:41:11.160 --> 0:41:12.720
<v Speaker 1>night the anarchists tried to escape.

0:41:13.600 --> 0:41:13.960
<v Speaker 3>They like.

0:41:15.680 --> 0:41:17.840
<v Speaker 1>Three of them like pushed a cow to be like

0:41:17.920 --> 0:41:20.160
<v Speaker 1>O cow go and then like try to run away

0:41:20.200 --> 0:41:23.759
<v Speaker 1>while the people were like shooting the poor cow. They

0:41:23.800 --> 0:41:26.920
<v Speaker 1>didn't succeed. They get gunned down. One of them hides

0:41:27.680 --> 0:41:32.680
<v Speaker 1>and is later found executed. Sabate he has three bullet

0:41:32.719 --> 0:41:34.799
<v Speaker 1>holes in him. I think his like leg, his butt,

0:41:34.880 --> 0:41:36.440
<v Speaker 1>and then I can't remember where else, maybe his arm

0:41:36.520 --> 0:41:40.080
<v Speaker 1>or something. And he decides to crawl away. And while

0:41:40.120 --> 0:41:43.040
<v Speaker 1>he's crawling away in the dark, he runs across someone

0:41:43.080 --> 0:41:46.920
<v Speaker 1>else who's crawling and the other crawler is like, don't shoot,

0:41:47.040 --> 0:41:51.160
<v Speaker 1>I'm the lieutenant, and it's the lieutenant is trying to

0:41:51.239 --> 0:41:55.399
<v Speaker 1>run away too, So Sabat shoots and kills the guy. Yeah,

0:41:56.760 --> 0:41:59.120
<v Speaker 1>and then keeps crawling, and every time he keeps running

0:41:59.120 --> 0:42:04.920
<v Speaker 1>across police lines, he's like, don't shoot, I'm the lieutenant. Amazing,

0:42:06.120 --> 0:42:11.040
<v Speaker 1>and he escapes, uh kind of yeah, Okay, he's the

0:42:11.120 --> 0:42:13.719
<v Speaker 1>only one who gets out. He dropped Pepper on his

0:42:13.920 --> 0:42:16.239
<v Speaker 1>tracks to confuse the scent dogs. I think he's learned

0:42:16.280 --> 0:42:18.479
<v Speaker 1>his lesson from getting all last time dogs.

0:42:18.560 --> 0:42:18.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:42:18.840 --> 0:42:22.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like his brother before him. He swam across a

0:42:23.080 --> 0:42:28.200
<v Speaker 1>river despite bullet holes. He reached a train station, pointed

0:42:28.239 --> 0:42:31.200
<v Speaker 1>a gun at the conductor, the gun talked to conductor,

0:42:31.239 --> 0:42:36.200
<v Speaker 1>gave him a sandwich and let him ride sandwiches, and

0:42:36.280 --> 0:42:38.759
<v Speaker 1>then slowed down before the next station so that he

0:42:38.800 --> 0:42:42.160
<v Speaker 1>could jump off like ahead of time without getting caught.

0:42:42.920 --> 0:42:45.880
<v Speaker 1>And then he hitched a ride into town. Cops found

0:42:45.960 --> 0:42:48.719
<v Speaker 1>him feverish. He would have died of gangrene at this

0:42:48.760 --> 0:42:51.600
<v Speaker 1>point no matter what, and he shot one before he

0:42:51.719 --> 0:42:53.799
<v Speaker 1>was gunned down at eight thirty am on the fifth

0:42:53.840 --> 0:42:58.520
<v Speaker 1>of January nineteen sixty. Most likely but unconfirmable. His last

0:42:58.560 --> 0:43:00.640
<v Speaker 1>words were the last words of so many others, Viva

0:43:00.680 --> 0:43:04.640
<v Speaker 1>la anarchy, long live anarchy. And the reason we think

0:43:04.760 --> 0:43:07.799
<v Speaker 1>this is that the press kept reporting that his last

0:43:07.840 --> 0:43:11.560
<v Speaker 1>words were Viva la morte long lived death, which is

0:43:11.600 --> 0:43:12.640
<v Speaker 1>a fascist slogan.

0:43:13.440 --> 0:43:16.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's milanissing for the Spanish legion.

0:43:17.440 --> 0:43:20.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's no way he would have said that. That

0:43:20.480 --> 0:43:23.279
<v Speaker 1>was part of the press talking trash on him. So

0:43:23.400 --> 0:43:26.080
<v Speaker 1>if he said viva la anything before he died, which

0:43:26.120 --> 0:43:28.320
<v Speaker 1>he may or may not have, it was viva la anarchy.

0:43:30.400 --> 0:43:33.840
<v Speaker 1>And I want to quote, I want to end with

0:43:33.920 --> 0:43:38.200
<v Speaker 1>a quote from Alfredo Banano, who's an anarchist insurrectionist author,

0:43:39.160 --> 0:43:42.160
<v Speaker 1>from the introduction to the book Sabat that most of

0:43:42.360 --> 0:43:44.080
<v Speaker 1>but not all, of the history that I'm drawing from

0:43:44.200 --> 0:43:47.840
<v Speaker 1>was pulled, and the quote is it is necessary to

0:43:47.920 --> 0:43:50.480
<v Speaker 1>understand that we cannot wait for others, not even for

0:43:50.600 --> 0:43:52.880
<v Speaker 1>other comrades, to give us the sign to act. The

0:43:53.000 --> 0:43:57.319
<v Speaker 1>final indication this must come from us. Each of us,

0:43:57.440 --> 0:44:00.440
<v Speaker 1>taken individually, must find his or her own commons and

0:44:00.520 --> 0:44:03.680
<v Speaker 1>constitute small affinity groups, which are the essential element for

0:44:03.760 --> 0:44:06.040
<v Speaker 1>giving life to the organization of attack that we need.

0:44:06.800 --> 0:44:09.560
<v Speaker 1>Actions will come easily as a natural consequence of the

0:44:09.640 --> 0:44:13.640
<v Speaker 1>decision to act together against the common enemy. Grand words,

0:44:13.960 --> 0:44:17.279
<v Speaker 1>declarations to go down in history, the great organizations of

0:44:17.320 --> 0:44:20.520
<v Speaker 1>the glorious past, and vast programs for the future are

0:44:20.560 --> 0:44:23.760
<v Speaker 1>all useless if the will of the individual comrade is lacking.

0:44:24.840 --> 0:44:28.280
<v Speaker 1>And in this perspective, Sabate was never alone. His struggle

0:44:28.320 --> 0:44:31.080
<v Speaker 1>continues today. End quote.

0:44:31.400 --> 0:44:37.279
<v Speaker 2>It's pretty great, Yeah, yeah, what a what a cool guy. Yeah, yeah,

0:44:37.360 --> 0:44:39.560
<v Speaker 2>it's pretty sad that he died in nineteen sixty when

0:44:39.680 --> 0:44:47.160
<v Speaker 2>like anti Francoism became more and more powerful. Yeah, in

0:44:47.360 --> 0:44:53.040
<v Speaker 2>those following years, right, more student protests, more the broader

0:44:53.120 --> 0:44:58.680
<v Speaker 2>based movement against Francoism and against Soviet communism like throughout

0:44:58.719 --> 0:44:59.560
<v Speaker 2>Europe in that time.

0:44:59.560 --> 0:45:01.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, or Arrianism in general.

0:45:02.040 --> 0:45:06.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, people thought authoritad is bad maybe, yeah, which it is.

0:45:07.160 --> 0:45:10.200
<v Speaker 1>It's bad. You live in a fascist country, like a

0:45:10.320 --> 0:45:13.440
<v Speaker 1>literal Hiham Franco. I call myself fascist.

0:45:14.280 --> 0:45:19.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, I've incorporated the fascias dual symbology because I

0:45:19.360 --> 0:45:20.000
<v Speaker 2>think it's good.

0:45:20.040 --> 0:45:26.040
<v Speaker 1>Actually, yeah, but yeah, yeah, that's uh, that's that's Sabote,

0:45:26.160 --> 0:45:29.040
<v Speaker 1>that's Elkko. I uh, what do you g?

0:45:29.560 --> 0:45:31.480
<v Speaker 2>I enjoyed that, Yeah, I like.

0:45:33.160 --> 0:45:34.880
<v Speaker 1>I got a lot out of reading it. I like,

0:45:35.920 --> 0:45:38.920
<v Speaker 1>you know, because I barely knew about him, right, because

0:45:38.960 --> 0:45:41.960
<v Speaker 1>he he wasn't presented as like one of the great thinkers.

0:45:42.040 --> 0:45:46.640
<v Speaker 1>There's no like specific movement that you know. It wasn't

0:45:46.680 --> 0:45:49.040
<v Speaker 1>a rudy he wasn't you know whatever. It wasn't all

0:45:49.080 --> 0:45:53.560
<v Speaker 1>these people, but he was this person who did so much.

0:45:54.960 --> 0:45:55.839
<v Speaker 3>For so long.

0:45:57.400 --> 0:45:59.319
<v Speaker 1>I mean partly because he has seen so much, right

0:46:00.080 --> 0:46:02.440
<v Speaker 1>you know, right, Yeah, I just I'm imagining him and

0:46:03.040 --> 0:46:06.040
<v Speaker 1>those last days, Like he probably knew that wasn't going

0:46:06.120 --> 0:46:09.160
<v Speaker 1>to work. He probably decided ten years earlier, he's just

0:46:09.239 --> 0:46:10.680
<v Speaker 1>going to do this until they shoot.

0:46:10.480 --> 0:46:13.480
<v Speaker 2>Him, right. Yeah. All of these people knew that they

0:46:13.520 --> 0:46:15.759
<v Speaker 2>wouldn't die at home with their families, right, Yeah, they

0:46:15.800 --> 0:46:19.719
<v Speaker 2>still kept doing it. Yeah. Yeah, it's nice sometimes to

0:46:19.920 --> 0:46:22.600
<v Speaker 2>like there are of course a great anichi thinkers. We

0:46:22.640 --> 0:46:24.880
<v Speaker 2>talk about them not, but they're also great anarchist doers

0:46:25.080 --> 0:46:28.279
<v Speaker 2>and like, yeah, maybe we don't talk about them enough. Yeah,

0:46:28.640 --> 0:46:33.080
<v Speaker 2>especially when they were like incredibly selfless and like lived

0:46:33.200 --> 0:46:37.399
<v Speaker 2>by the morality that they preached. And yeah, like Spain

0:46:37.520 --> 0:46:39.040
<v Speaker 2>seems to have been a bit of a hot spot

0:46:39.239 --> 0:46:44.560
<v Speaker 2>for those people. Yeah, yeah, I really love his consistent morality.

0:46:44.680 --> 0:46:46.600
<v Speaker 2>He's like, this is what I believe the world should

0:46:46.600 --> 0:46:48.080
<v Speaker 2>be based on, and this is what I'm going to do.

0:46:48.400 --> 0:46:50.839
<v Speaker 2>I can't let these bad things happen, but I will

0:46:50.880 --> 0:46:52.840
<v Speaker 2>not be bloodthirsty. I will not use this.

0:46:53.360 --> 0:46:55.000
<v Speaker 1>I mean, he was like walking around with millions of

0:46:55.040 --> 0:46:59.040
<v Speaker 1>dollars constantly, right, and he wasn't like doing anything with

0:46:59.120 --> 0:47:01.520
<v Speaker 1>that money. Besides, like giving it to the families of

0:47:01.600 --> 0:47:03.400
<v Speaker 1>dead you know, dead comrades.

0:47:04.560 --> 0:47:07.839
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think it's Yeah, it's all very admirable. Yeah,

0:47:07.880 --> 0:47:11.000
<v Speaker 2>but it creates a movement that like if you just

0:47:11.080 --> 0:47:13.560
<v Speaker 2>normalize that shit, right, Like if you just normalize not

0:47:14.400 --> 0:47:17.840
<v Speaker 2>acting as if you're the only person, you know, the

0:47:17.920 --> 0:47:21.319
<v Speaker 2>sort of like low key solutism that capitalism encourages. Yeah,

0:47:22.239 --> 0:47:25.000
<v Speaker 2>like and instead like acting as if you're a member

0:47:25.000 --> 0:47:27.080
<v Speaker 2>of society. What was you all care for one another? Yeah,

0:47:27.280 --> 0:47:30.160
<v Speaker 2>then like it's very easy to do, Like I see

0:47:30.200 --> 0:47:34.879
<v Speaker 2>people do it, even like I rememberriting a scripture series

0:47:34.880 --> 0:47:38.560
<v Speaker 2>about this border shit. But like it really struck me

0:47:38.600 --> 0:47:40.840
<v Speaker 2>the other day that two people who were being detained

0:47:40.840 --> 0:47:43.399
<v Speaker 2>by border patrol in the fucking in between the two

0:47:43.440 --> 0:47:45.600
<v Speaker 2>border walls that we have that covered in dust and

0:47:45.960 --> 0:47:47.759
<v Speaker 2>like you know, sleeping out of a top well, like,

0:47:47.800 --> 0:47:49.879
<v Speaker 2>hey man, there's a camp where things are much worse,

0:47:49.920 --> 0:47:52.719
<v Speaker 2>and then not allowing aid workers to go there. Could

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<v Speaker 2>you help us by giving us as many bottles of

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<v Speaker 2>water as you can so we can carry them up

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<v Speaker 2>there for other people. Like it's very Yeah, it's cool

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<v Speaker 2>when people, you know, I'm always inspired little things like

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<v Speaker 2>that where I see people like not acting as if

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<v Speaker 2>they're the only human beings on the planet, and like

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<v Speaker 2>it's nice to be reminded that that's an option.

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<v Speaker 1>No, And and even though this is like a story

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<v Speaker 1>about action, right, m it's a story about mutual aid,

0:48:20.520 --> 0:48:22.480
<v Speaker 1>and it's a story about trying to create a society,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm mutual based on mutual aid.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and like and like go ahead, go ahead, no.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I think glasses from reading off his grip, there's

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<v Speaker 2>a thing like where de Ruti looks as so that

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<v Speaker 2>like another world is possible and it grows in our

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<v Speaker 2>hearts every minute, right yea, where like I think what

0:48:50.320 --> 0:48:53.160
<v Speaker 2>he's trying to say is that like it's possible because

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<v Speaker 2>we're doing it, like rather than being like anarchism is

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<v Speaker 2>a thing that we must struggle towards and like a

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<v Speaker 2>long off distant it'll like, you know, which is the

0:49:03.520 --> 0:49:08.000
<v Speaker 2>way kind of authoritarian comodies have justified doing authoritarian ship

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<v Speaker 2>for so long. They anarchism is a thing we do

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<v Speaker 2>every day in all our interactions, and yeah, it's a

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<v Speaker 2>the world that we build ourselves with every every time

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<v Speaker 2>we interact with another person.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, now that I like that, maybe that's a good

0:49:22.520 --> 0:49:24.800
<v Speaker 1>good note to end on what do you want to

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<v Speaker 1>plug maybe especially the kind of like border stuff like

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<v Speaker 1>what if what if people who say live near the

0:49:32.520 --> 0:49:35.960
<v Speaker 1>US border want to or or oh yeah, like how

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<v Speaker 1>can people be useful about this like crisis that's happening

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<v Speaker 1>right now where non dispersed champaign has been promoted at

0:49:43.000 --> 0:49:43.760
<v Speaker 1>the southern border.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think things you can do If you have money,

0:49:49.520 --> 0:49:52.960
<v Speaker 2>then you can give to groups like Altlado to Border

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<v Speaker 2>Kindness who group out of San Diego, Armadillos, the Eagles

0:49:58.239 --> 0:50:01.600
<v Speaker 2>of the Desert. Let's let's you can give to No

0:50:01.719 --> 0:50:04.080
<v Speaker 2>Master and Worthy in Arizona. Those are people who are

0:50:04.080 --> 0:50:08.239
<v Speaker 2>at there every weekend dropping water in the desert so

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<v Speaker 2>that people don't die trying to come here, which is

0:50:10.920 --> 0:50:12.879
<v Speaker 2>a good thing, and they're doing it because they want

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<v Speaker 2>to help. If you have time, you can of course

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<v Speaker 2>go out and drop water a place in the desert,

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<v Speaker 2>joining one of those groups. If you're a citizen, that's

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<v Speaker 2>perfectly legal and don't know they want to tell you

0:50:23.280 --> 0:50:26.759
<v Speaker 2>it's not and you can. This is one of the

0:50:26.800 --> 0:50:30.000
<v Speaker 2>things where you probably could make a difference by calling

0:50:30.600 --> 0:50:33.440
<v Speaker 2>whichever person wearing a suit is supposed to represent you,

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<v Speaker 2>Like I understand that they don't and for the most part,

0:50:35.480 --> 0:50:39.319
<v Speaker 2>they don't care. But there was one person who came

0:50:39.320 --> 0:50:41.600
<v Speaker 2>from a California state censor's office who was able to

0:50:41.640 --> 0:50:44.600
<v Speaker 2>secure a mutilad group's access to where these people were camping,

0:50:44.680 --> 0:50:48.040
<v Speaker 2>which makes a difference between people, I'm not exaggerating, between

0:50:48.040 --> 0:50:52.040
<v Speaker 2>people loving and dying, right, And so they're calling those

0:50:52.040 --> 0:50:54.440
<v Speaker 2>people and being like, why the fuck are you not

0:50:54.719 --> 0:50:58.480
<v Speaker 2>that's one California state senator right in the biggest state

0:50:58.560 --> 0:51:01.800
<v Speaker 2>in the country. Yeah, and no one else did shit.

0:51:02.719 --> 0:51:04.800
<v Speaker 2>He was at Steve Padia if people want to know

0:51:04.840 --> 0:51:08.200
<v Speaker 2>who that was, someone from his office. But this is

0:51:08.239 --> 0:51:10.120
<v Speaker 2>probably a thing that you can call people make a

0:51:10.160 --> 0:51:13.800
<v Speaker 2>difference on, and you can show up. Like every single

0:51:13.880 --> 0:51:16.080
<v Speaker 2>time that's happened, right, this happened in twenty eighteen with

0:51:16.200 --> 0:51:18.360
<v Speaker 2>the quote unquote caravan that came at the time of

0:51:18.400 --> 0:51:22.319
<v Speaker 2>the midterms. The only people who show up to help

0:51:22.320 --> 0:51:25.239
<v Speaker 2>are people just like you, Like, don't think that what

0:51:25.400 --> 0:51:28.160
<v Speaker 2>you have is too small or too insignificant to make

0:51:28.200 --> 0:51:31.000
<v Speaker 2>a difference, because like showing up with a bottle of

0:51:31.040 --> 0:51:34.200
<v Speaker 2>water and a smile can change someone to day when

0:51:34.480 --> 0:51:36.680
<v Speaker 2>the state is treating them like they're not a human being.

0:51:36.920 --> 0:51:40.360
<v Speaker 2>Acknowledging their common humanity is really important. So if you

0:51:40.440 --> 0:51:44.160
<v Speaker 2>have it within your means physically and financially to show up,

0:51:44.239 --> 0:51:48.040
<v Speaker 2>show up otherwise, you know, giving your money and giving

0:51:48.120 --> 0:51:51.920
<v Speaker 2>your time, and then like these people who were in

0:51:52.000 --> 0:51:56.279
<v Speaker 2>the desert last week will hopefully be in your communities

0:51:56.320 --> 0:51:59.240
<v Speaker 2>one day. Like refugees aren't just people who stop existing

0:51:59.320 --> 0:52:01.759
<v Speaker 2>after they leave the border. They need your help. And

0:52:02.600 --> 0:52:05.000
<v Speaker 2>when they come to your community, show them that they're welcome. Yeah,

0:52:05.400 --> 0:52:07.120
<v Speaker 2>and then if people don't want to make them welcome,

0:52:07.120 --> 0:52:09.440
<v Speaker 2>then tell those people that their bigotry is not welcome.

0:52:10.280 --> 0:52:13.440
<v Speaker 2>Hell yeah, yeah, you know in any way that you

0:52:13.600 --> 0:52:18.040
<v Speaker 2>see fit. Yeah, yeah, that's what I want to plug

0:52:18.160 --> 0:52:19.000
<v Speaker 2>is doing all that shit.

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<v Speaker 1>Hell yeah, well that makes my plug film selfish, which

0:52:25.080 --> 0:52:28.040
<v Speaker 1>is that I'm kickstarting a tabletop role playing game.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it's good, it's good. It's good. We should we

0:52:31.080 --> 0:52:34.600
<v Speaker 2>should remember that, like joy is important. Yeah, we continue

0:52:34.640 --> 0:52:38.040
<v Speaker 2>in our struggles against the system which rips joy from us.

0:52:38.280 --> 0:52:42.880
<v Speaker 1>And collaborative storytelling with your friends and like, I don't know,

0:52:43.000 --> 0:52:44.759
<v Speaker 1>I I yeah, I get a lot out of it.

0:52:44.880 --> 0:52:47.840
<v Speaker 1>And so I'm currently kick starting a game, well currently

0:52:48.000 --> 0:52:51.799
<v Speaker 1>as of this, you know, June twenty twenty three. If

0:52:51.840 --> 0:52:53.759
<v Speaker 1>it's after that, you can probably just buy the game.

0:52:54.080 --> 0:52:56.680
<v Speaker 1>It's called The Number City. It's been published by Strangers

0:52:56.719 --> 0:52:59.200
<v Speaker 1>in a Tangled Wilderness, which is an anarchist publishing collective

0:52:59.239 --> 0:53:02.920
<v Speaker 1>that I'm part of, and I'm real proud of it.

0:53:02.920 --> 0:53:04.600
<v Speaker 1>I've been working on this game for like ten years

0:53:04.719 --> 0:53:09.719
<v Speaker 1>in different forms, and you can do that, Sophie, you

0:53:09.719 --> 0:53:12.160
<v Speaker 1>got anything you want to plug? Hot Dog book? Hot

0:53:12.200 --> 0:53:14.440
<v Speaker 1>Dog book is out, Yeah.

0:53:15.160 --> 0:53:17.480
<v Speaker 3>Braw Dog by Jamie loftis Yeah, I know, but.

0:53:17.520 --> 0:53:19.279
<v Speaker 1>I pre ordered it to my house that I live at.

0:53:19.600 --> 0:53:21.239
<v Speaker 1>But I don't spend a lot of my time at

0:53:21.280 --> 0:53:23.840
<v Speaker 1>the house that I live at, so I don't have

0:53:23.920 --> 0:53:24.239
<v Speaker 1>it yet.

0:53:25.440 --> 0:53:27.600
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to go to an independent BOOKSTOREM.

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<v Speaker 3>Can borrow my copy.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, that's good. Is your copy signed, Sophie?

0:53:33.080 --> 0:53:37.960
<v Speaker 3>No, but I but when I see her in a week,

0:53:38.040 --> 0:53:38.520
<v Speaker 3>she'll sign it.

0:53:38.600 --> 0:53:40.680
<v Speaker 1>But no, No, I have a copy.

0:53:40.800 --> 0:53:44.200
<v Speaker 3>But I've seen I've read before. It was in print

0:53:44.360 --> 0:53:45.920
<v Speaker 3>because friendship.

0:53:45.640 --> 0:53:49.640
<v Speaker 1>Because we are discussing friend of the pod, Jamie Loftus's

0:53:49.719 --> 0:53:53.520
<v Speaker 1>book raw Dog, which is a history of hot dogs,

0:53:54.160 --> 0:53:56.440
<v Speaker 1>that is going to be really good. Yeah, way more entertaining.

0:53:56.520 --> 0:53:58.160
<v Speaker 1>I was like, no part of me that doubts that

0:53:58.200 --> 0:54:00.919
<v Speaker 1>this wid incredibly entertaining and informa of book.

0:54:01.960 --> 0:54:05.120
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, can I do my horrible capitalism line that?

0:54:05.400 --> 0:54:07.759
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I'm supposed to please Sophie. Yeah.

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