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Speaker 1: Margaret Giljoy with me today is James Hi. James, how

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Speaker 2: Hi, Margaret. I'm good. I'm good, very very controverted. You

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Speaker 2: to eraise the concept of what's it called when you

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Speaker 2: come back to life after you die? Reincarnation not come

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, well, the one chance we know of. Our

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Speaker 1: producer is Sophie Hi. Sophie Hi, our audio engineers Ian

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Speaker 1: Hi Ian. Everyone wants to say I in Hi Yan Hian.

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Speaker 1: Our theme musical is written for us by un woman,

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Speaker 1: and this week we are talking about resistance to Franco

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Speaker 1: the fascist dictator of Spain. In particular, we're following Francisco Sabata,

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Speaker 1: also known as al Chico. World War two has just ended,

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Speaker 1: so he snuck himself back into fascist Spain and is

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Speaker 1: starting to raise funds for a gorilla struggle and let's

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Speaker 1: go all that stolen money. It goes into the hands

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Speaker 1: of the CNT, which was underground and trying to do

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Speaker 1: everything from support the kids of dead anarchists to destroy

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Speaker 1: the fascist regime in Spain. No money is actually going

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Speaker 1: to the robbers personally. For the most part, Leonner is

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Speaker 1: actually supporting the family in France by working as a

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Speaker 1: house cleaner, plus probably whatever El Chico makes as a

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Speaker 1: plumber when he's home, which, like, I feel like it's

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Speaker 1: fine to get compensated fairly for your labor as a

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Speaker 1: bank robber. But I still appreciate that they they weren't

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they like meant it that quote from before about

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Speaker 1: being like weird libertarian freedom fighters. Yeah, So, together with

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Speaker 1: the CNT, the three Gorillas, El Qiko, El Absinio, and

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Speaker 1: El Rosette, they free two anarchists and a communist from

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Speaker 1: fascist hands. And this is like, it's funny because they

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Speaker 1: freed a bunch of people already, including themselves several times.

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Speaker 1: But this is like where they kind of come out

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Speaker 1: onto the world stage a little bit when they do this.

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Speaker 1: But they show up and they they free the three prisoners,

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Speaker 1: and as they're running to the car, the communist is

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Speaker 1: apparently like, never mind, I don't want to jail break.

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Speaker 2: I just love fucking rules. Such a committed tanky like

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Speaker 2: see a boot I want to lick.

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Speaker 1: It, and so he goes back to jail voluntarily.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 1: At least according to the anarchist history book I read, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I doesn't see them, having been like, oh, whoops, wait,

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Speaker 1: you've got two anarchists and a tanky.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. The guy gets out there and immediately, like you,

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Speaker 2: get logs onto his Twitter and starts posting about how

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Speaker 2: he's going to send him to the Gulag and then

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Speaker 2: all right, you go fucking back right now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, totally, yeah, exactly. We thought we knew you better

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Speaker 1: than that. Yeah, but you'll be shocked to know that

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Speaker 1: after the war, not all of the former Synicalists were

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Speaker 1: cool and good. Some joined the National Syndicalists aka the

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Speaker 1: fascist left. There was at least one double agent and

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Speaker 1: ex anarchist who worked for the new cops but was like,

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Speaker 1: oh no, totally, I'm totally working for you all the anarchists,

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Speaker 1: definitely who was working for the cops. He would help

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Speaker 1: the anarchists while they were being super boring and ineffective,

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Speaker 1: anything spicy and anywhere the anarchists were doing anything like,

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Speaker 1: it could Yeah, not a good guy. He spoiler alert.

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Speaker 1: Not a way to live very long. Fortunately, the Gorillas

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Speaker 1: didn't espouse to be under anyone's control, not the labor

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Speaker 1: they were actually way harder to repress. The CNT was

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Speaker 1: Throughout the rest of his career, the Gorilla movement was, though,

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Speaker 1: they blew this thing up, and here's where they shot

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Speaker 1: From nineteen forty five to nineteen forty six, Sabate and

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Speaker 1: the others set up base after base in the mountains,

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Speaker 1: which is the refuge for all radicals everywhere, for comrades

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Speaker 1: and guns. He and his family moved still in France,

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Speaker 1: else happened like that. Yeah, so they hit the guns

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Speaker 1: pilum anewer. Oh yeah. Sabate only got out by dressing

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Speaker 2: Extremely let's see the cat National anthems and the second

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Speaker 2: or it is like the scithers. Oh shit, okay, cool,

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Speaker 2: it's extremely Catalan move. It's about the revolt with the size.

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Speaker 1: Yeah that rules.

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Speaker 1: Unfortunately the innkeeper went to go snitch voluntarily. He was like, ah,

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Speaker 1: I know it's up, and the cops tortured the shit

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, just what it is. The state violence comes

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Speaker 2: for us all.

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Speaker 1: I went to the fascist cops and they were mean

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Speaker 2: Yeah they new news. Yeah they did find the guns

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Speaker 2: and the pile of ship. Well at least I had

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Speaker 2: to go into a pile of shit. I know, I know.

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Speaker 1: And the fascist feds in Barcelona in particular, working hard

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Speaker 2: That's sad, I know.

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Speaker 1: And l Rosette gets arrested at his house during all

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Speaker 1: Like L Rosette rules, Sabote just wants to lure cops.

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Speaker 1: At this point, he's like, oh fuck, one of my

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Speaker 1: And his remaining friends are like, don't fucking do that.

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Speaker 1: What the fuck, Jesus Christ, what the fuck is wrong

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Speaker 1: with you? And he listens to his friends and he

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Speaker 1: doesn't go out in a useless way. Yeah, but he

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Speaker 1: ol Kiko wanted to go see him. So he just

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Speaker 2: Yeah, famous efficiency of space police.

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Speaker 1: Well, and then in the Spanish police thought that they

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Speaker 1: And so he was like, oh, sure, I will definitely

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Speaker 1: fought a war with completely, that's my plan. When Sabate

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Speaker 2: Amazing. Yeah, the entire force of the state come to Barron.

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Speaker 2: You any results in them being conned by someone being

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Speaker 2: orders were absolutely to kill on site. Uh So l

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Speaker 1: Al Kko makes contact with Jose and they reunite more

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Speaker 1: let's get this ship fucking done. Luigi has entered the

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Speaker 1: chat the Plumber brothers, I don't know if you is

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Speaker 1: And the Gorilla's form, Yeah, someone knows them. My kid's

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Speaker 1: or six articles and you know. Anyway, So the Gorilla's form,

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Speaker 1: the MLR, the Spanish Liberation Resistance movement basically declaring autonomy

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Speaker 1: right now is this guy Alicio melis Dis, who's the

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Speaker 1: Because this is a fast and furious plot, the anarchists

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Speaker 1: out with the communicate to announce the MLR quote in

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Speaker 1: the future, we will respond to governmental terrorism with the

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Speaker 1: people's terrorism. We shall answer the murderer's bullets of the

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Speaker 1: of the notorious Alicio Meles of Unhappy Memory.

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Speaker 2: It's another great one for your EMAO signature. Yeah yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And all the while Sabote is going back and

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Speaker 1: You know, he does. He moves his family. He has

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Speaker 1: more kids. Now, why with the biographer mentioned to talk

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Speaker 1: someone whom he doesn't even meet, who blows up his

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Speaker 1: own leg with a grenade anyway, moves them closer to

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Speaker 2: They called by the Barcelona Chinatown, not particularly because I

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Speaker 1: That was that's you know what, that's a more iconic

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Speaker 1: Classic, Yeah, And so the car comes by and they

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Speaker 1: shoot it up and they killed two fascists, just not

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: It's sad.

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Speaker 1: I know the cops already hated the anarchists, but now

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Speaker 1: you up if you do anything. Yeah, because fashions dinner

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Speaker 1: and wow, that's an interesting point.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like ten pm is your gamal like having did

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And for a while, anyone who hailed a cab

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Speaker 1: I mean one there's a lot of people in Barcelona,

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Speaker 2: But the CNT had been the cab Driver's Union was

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Speaker 2: That ties to a lot of this. That's why you're

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Speaker 2: such a good guess for this. Thanks for being our guest.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Margaret, Thank you for having me. I'm enjoying

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Speaker 1: Cops started murdering random people because they got so jumpy

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Speaker 1: that anyone reaching for a wallet was sometimes shot.

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Speaker 2: Unprecedented.

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Speaker 1: Imagine cops shooting innocent people mistaking walks for guns.

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Speaker 2: I'm glad that hasn't happened since we fixed it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. No, absolutely only fascist societies. Only fascist cops too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, Luckily we don't have to stay overreaching America.

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Speaker 3: No.

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Speaker 1: Now, Fascism is a specific form of government with no

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Speaker 2: Can only come from the Fascia reachion of Italy.

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Speaker 1: It's not miss Selenius.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just sparkling authoritarianism.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So the anarchists were like well, fuck you too,

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Speaker 2: You know, you got him on the run.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And then that the cops stationed that there were

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah. The anarchist loved a good sewer as well.

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Speaker 2: They were big on sewer operations.

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Speaker 1: That makes sense. Yeah, it's because they're ninja turtles.

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Speaker 2: I think in thirty eight they tried thirty nine, they

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so during this particular pushback, there was all of

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to quote it. It just makes me sad,

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Speaker 2: then they actually just helped him make a bandage for

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so they like take off the shirt, you know.

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Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, that is some true chat shit, Like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he went to a anti fascist doctor and was like, yo, doc,

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Speaker 2: Oh wow, yeah, not much space, said, it's not Vike logans.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I know. But the house he was planning

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Speaker 1: the former anarchist, and the secretly down guy is just like, man,

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Speaker 1: isn't it weird? The other cops not your group, but

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Speaker 2: They raid the other cops.

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Speaker 1: They yeah, more or less they at least go argue

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Speaker 2: Amazing the two. Yeah, fantastic.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not just it's not that this guy's life

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Both also been simultaneously like too crazy

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Speaker 1: Yeah totally. What else is un believable? Are these deals?

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Speaker 2: Oh? Magnificent? Thanks? Thanks?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, oh yeah, I'm just really just don't clap.

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Speaker 1: One thing you do is.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah saying I was gonna say one thing Margaret

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Speaker 2: killed he loves is selling products. Yeah, totally engaging in

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Speaker 2: the cash nexers. Yeah, that's absolutely what I'm so excited about.

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Speaker 2: And here you go, here's the ads, and we're back.

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Speaker 2: So the two brothers are like, we should get out

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Speaker 2: of Spain again. Let's go to Toulouse, which is not

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Speaker 2: in Spain, it's in France. It's very nice sitting and

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Speaker 2: at one point Francisco pretended to be recently released from

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Speaker 1: He always had these disguises. He's like, oh yeah, right,

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Speaker 1: and this time he's like, ooh, I just got out

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Speaker 1: of the madhouse. And then at one point he goes

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00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:01,920
Speaker 1: up to a peasant and he robs the peasant of

437
00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:05,080
Speaker 1: his cart and he's like, can I give you like

438
00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:11,679
Speaker 1: fifty grand for your cart? Which is me converting very badly,

439
00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:14,480
Speaker 1: trying to use the internet to convert nineteen forties that

440
00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:18,119
Speaker 1: set us to modern dollars. Gives the guy like fifty

441
00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:19,639
Speaker 1: grand for his cart, and the guy's like, yeah, you

442
00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:20,360
Speaker 1: can have my cart.

443
00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:22,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, it sounds like a good deal.

444
00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:27,120
Speaker 1: He just basically like changed this man's class position. Yeah,

445
00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:33,400
Speaker 1: that man's children do bad than life because robbed by sabote.

446
00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:34,920
Speaker 2: Lucrative cart deal.

447
00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:39,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, but there's one problem. He went back to France,

448
00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:41,960
Speaker 1: but Alkiko had been tried in absentia by the French,

449
00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:44,520
Speaker 1: you know, because the French were like, well it was

450
00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:46,399
Speaker 1: fine when you had bombs in France to free France

451
00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:48,600
Speaker 1: from fascists, but remember how you're not allowed to have

452
00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:51,240
Speaker 1: bombs in France to free Spain from fascists.

453
00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:53,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I remember how we learned so much from

454
00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:57,680
Speaker 2: like taking the Ellen a war and on population surviving

455
00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:01,280
Speaker 2: and defending freedom. Yeah, let to make sure that can't

456
00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:01,760
Speaker 2: happen again.

457
00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:05,520
Speaker 1: No, not, absolutely not. He made a good try for it.

458
00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:08,920
Speaker 1: He was at home and Leoner just distracted the cops

459
00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:10,720
Speaker 1: at the door while he escaped out the attic. But

460
00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:13,639
Speaker 1: the cops sick dogs on him and got him, and

461
00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:16,000
Speaker 1: he spent a year in French prison and then five

462
00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:18,160
Speaker 1: years on probation where he was stuck in de Jon,

463
00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:22,760
Speaker 1: which is a place in France where sparkling mustard comes from.

464
00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:26,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've lost some skin in that town. Oh shit,

465
00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:35,320
Speaker 2: I ass biker. Oh yeah, yeah, not a bad gambling debt.

466
00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:39,040
Speaker 2: Yeah no, no, no. Literally, parts of my body was

467
00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:40,680
Speaker 2: scraped off by the rose of Jean.

468
00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:45,240
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, yeah yeah, much like it's scraped five years

469
00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:50,960
Speaker 1: off of Sabate's prime fighting life. Meanwhile, the struggle continued.

470
00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:53,479
Speaker 1: More and more anarchists are getting gunned down, including those

471
00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:58,240
Speaker 1: who had tried to stay legal within fascist Spain. Enter

472
00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:02,800
Speaker 1: Manuel Sabate, the youngest Sabate brother. He hadn't been ten

473
00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:05,480
Speaker 1: years old when the Civil War started. When he was

474
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:08,359
Speaker 1: sixteen and civil war was over, he traveled around as

475
00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:11,040
Speaker 1: a train hopper for a while, Like literally he got

476
00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:13,119
Speaker 1: a knapsack and rode around on freight trains because the

477
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:18,560
Speaker 1: anarchist traditions I continue across the oceans, I guess. But

478
00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:21,359
Speaker 1: he was an adult now and there was adult stuff

479
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:24,520
Speaker 1: that needed doing, like stopping fascism. So he made his

480
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:26,760
Speaker 1: way into France and started working at a cooperative near

481
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:31,160
Speaker 1: the border. And his gorilla brothers were like, oh god,

482
00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:34,840
Speaker 1: don't join us, learn a trade, live your life. We

483
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:36,080
Speaker 1: are doomed, do you know that?

484
00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:36,359
Speaker 3: Right?

485
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:39,680
Speaker 1: Like we are fucking dead men walking. Try telling that

486
00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:44,040
Speaker 1: to a twenty year old anarchist. His brothers told all

487
00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:46,960
Speaker 1: the anarchist groups. You can't let our baby brother join you.

488
00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:52,440
Speaker 1: For Jose, the dead men walking thing came true the earliest.

489
00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:57,160
Speaker 1: On October seventeenth, nineteen forty nine, Jose was successfully trapped

490
00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:59,680
Speaker 1: on the streets of Barcelona and basically went down in

491
00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:02,080
Speaker 1: a hail gunfire, killing one of the cops who murdered him.

492
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:06,399
Speaker 1: And with Alqiko in jail and Jose dead in Spain,

493
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:09,720
Speaker 1: Manuel was like, well, I'm joining a fucking action group

494
00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:14,400
Speaker 1: and now my brothers can't stop me. And the first

495
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:15,960
Speaker 1: thing they did is they tried to pull a grand

496
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 1: theft auto but the car didn't stop, so they shot

497
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:21,960
Speaker 1: it up and they injured a young serving girl who

498
00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:25,000
Speaker 1: was not exactly the class enemy for anyone who's keeping track.

499
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:28,760
Speaker 1: Soon the area was swarming with cops. Manuel Sabate was

500
00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:32,080
Speaker 1: arrested and basically when the cops figured out his last name,

501
00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:32,639
Speaker 1: they killed him.

502
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:34,120
Speaker 3: Ah fuck.

503
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:40,000
Speaker 1: On February twenty fourth, nineteen fifty, the winner of nineteen

504
00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:42,520
Speaker 1: forty nine to nineteen fifty, the fascists took out most

505
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:45,440
Speaker 1: of the action groups. This is the end of the

506
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:49,760
Speaker 1: time when they are common. Every named character we've had

507
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:54,120
Speaker 1: until now, besides for al Qiko and Leoner are dead,

508
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:57,359
Speaker 1: the hands the bread eater dead. I think Rosette is

509
00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:02,520
Speaker 1: just in prison. The thing is, though they had done

510
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:05,479
Speaker 1: a lot of good and popular descent was picking up.

511
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:08,199
Speaker 1: Even as the action groups were getting gunned down, they

512
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:11,880
Speaker 1: kept the flame alive in a lot of ways. Protests

513
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:15,040
Speaker 1: started up. It started with students, of course, as it

514
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:17,720
Speaker 1: kind of always does, and it moved to workers. In

515
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 1: nineteen fifty one, there's a general strike in Barcelona. It

516
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:23,000
Speaker 1: spread from there. More than one hundred and fifty thousand

517
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:25,520
Speaker 1: workers went on strike. Soldiers had to be shipped in

518
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:29,720
Speaker 1: from Madrid to put it down. The repression, though, made

519
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:32,800
Speaker 1: its way to France also. Southern France was full of

520
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 1: Spanish anarchists at this point. They were the largest chunk

521
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:39,399
Speaker 1: of the exiles from Spain by a fair amount. So

522
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:42,399
Speaker 1: when a couple of anarchists tried to rob an armored

523
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 1: car in France and some guards were killed, the press

524
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:47,439
Speaker 1: denounced the anarchists and the courts started rounding people up.

525
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 1: But there was one problem. Everyone really liked the anarchists.

526
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:57,480
Speaker 1: They were like generally nice and upstanding people who like

527
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:00,439
Speaker 1: probably weren't hiding what they were about.

528
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:04,720
Speaker 2: You know. Yeah, there was going about not hurting people

529
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 2: who weren't hurting them, as ikis should do.

530
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 1: Yeah. So when once Spanish anarchist guerrilla was arrested and

531
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:14,000
Speaker 1: to lose in France, Spain was like extradite him, please,

532
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 1: he is a crime guy, and France was like, we're

533
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:19,200
Speaker 1: actually not even going to consider your request.

534
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:20,920
Speaker 3: Yeah.

535
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 1: Nice, and he was set free.

536
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 2: Oh yeah.

537
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:27,439
Speaker 1: The French police were not as nice as Sabote. They

538
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 1: arrested him again in nineteen fifty one and tortured a

539
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:32,440
Speaker 1: confession out of him having something to do with that robbery,

540
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 1: the which I frankly do not know if he had

541
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 1: anything to do with. The torture was so bad that

542
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 1: he either tried to kill himself, which is what is

543
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 1: like claimed, or he he either got thrown out the

544
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:47,919
Speaker 1: window or he threw himself out the window. And there

545
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,400
Speaker 1: was kind of a thing going around of defenestrating anarchists

546
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:53,200
Speaker 1: and police stations. There's a play called The Accidental Death

547
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 1: of an Anarchist.

548
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:58,480
Speaker 2: Yeah. I have acted in their play in high school. Yeah,

549
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 2: use what play to do? We were like that one.

550
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:05,639
Speaker 1: They were like, okay, it's real funny. I watched the

551
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 1: BBC production of it one time. It's good.

552
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 2: It's a good play at Dario Foe.

553
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:12,200
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, that sounds right.

554
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, damn, that's a throwback that had not been expecting. Yeah.

555
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:20,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, he survives getting thrown out the window or throwing

556
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:23,399
Speaker 1: himself out the window. Part of his crime that he

557
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:27,159
Speaker 1: was accused of was associating with evildoers, but they had

558
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:29,120
Speaker 1: gotten a confreshion out of him, right, isn't that real?

559
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:29,440
Speaker 3: Yeah?

560
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, great, good that the state gets to

561
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:35,160
Speaker 2: decide these things. Yeah, totally hate So wonderful, aren't they. Yeah.

562
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 1: Eventually, in nineteen fifty two, the confession and the case

563
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 1: were thrown out because it was so obviously induced by torture.

564
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 1: He was still in probation from that shit before though,

565
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 1: and not allowed to leave the area. Then in nineteen

566
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 1: fifty five, as soon as he was free, he got

567
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 1: himself over to Spain, and every time he went back

568
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 1: to Spain, he went back to his hometown and made

569
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 1: sure to like say hi to everyone and be nice

570
00:28:57,400 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 1: to the old people and shit, even though he's like

571
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 1: literally public enemy number one in Spain. Yeah, it wasn't

572
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 1: a social call. His main thing was trying to form

573
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 1: the CNT again. And the Anarchosinicalist Union that controlled most Catalonia,

574
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 1: even though actually Sabote was like increasingly I keep hinting

575
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 1: that that the CNT kind of doesn't like him anymore,

576
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 1: but he likes the CNT. They disagreed with his reckless

577
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 1: solve all problems with guns and bombs attitude, or they

578
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 1: were cowards. It depends on who you ask. I actually

579
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 1: don't have an opinion one way or the other.

580
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 3: I don't know.

581
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:37,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's hard to find it in my heart to

582
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 2: blame people who are living under a dictatorship that frequently

583
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 2: murdered their friends for yeah, you know, yeah, their choices

584
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 2: that they made totally.

585
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 1: And so the actual tag groups he was forming weren't CNT.

586
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 1: They were in arcosyndicalist groups, but he was also trying

587
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 1: to recreate the CNT. Also, he wanted to keep them separate,

588
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 1: but he wanted to do both, and this time he

589
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:01,719
Speaker 1: was mostly there to do propaganda. He hijacked a taxi

590
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 1: to distribute a four page pamphlet called El Combate on

591
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 1: the thirtieth of April go Ahead, I.

592
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 2: Think that was the name of anoder anarchist newspaper.

593
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 1: Okay cool. On the thirtieth of April nineteen fifty five,

594
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 1: hoping to spark some Mayda shit, you know for may

595
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 1: first yea. And the way he did this he brought

596
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 1: with him from France. He made his own leaflet mortar.

597
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, in an age before podcasts, our lives could have

598
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 2: been so different.

599
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 1: He made a fucking diy mortar. But that shoots paper

600
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 1: into the air and then the leaflets fall down onto

601
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 1: the street. And so when Franco visit Barcelona, he fired

602
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:48,959
Speaker 1: it out of the sun roof of a taxi.

603
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:51,120
Speaker 2: Even better.

604
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 1: Yes, he also started soapboxing, the kinds of speeches you

605
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 1: can't give in fascist Spain. The way he did it

606
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 1: here's podcasting hero Sabote. He pre recorded them and played

607
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 1: them off of tapes in crowded places full of workers.

608
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 2: Yeah. The first podcast, yeah, yeah, amazing, that's great. There.

609
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 2: He just just like, would they just start up from nowhere?

610
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 1: Yeah? And then he and his friends they were also

611
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 1: robbing banks right at one point in his friend cool podcasts. Yeah, yeah,

612
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 1: that's how do you think we pay for these? I actually.

613
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 2: Isn't. The Ragan coin guy ain't given a shit, want

614
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 2: to be honest with you, Yeah, we're trying to go clean. Yeah,

615
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 2: that's why we wear Nixon masks when we rub the banks.

616
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 1: And well we're podcast. So at one point, he and

617
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 1: his friends rob a bank and get away when a

618
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:45,960
Speaker 1: taxi like they always do, and they tip the driver

619
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 1: like eight thousand dollars or something, and then also immediately

620
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 1: say every time they do this, they say, go straight

621
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 1: to the police and tell them everything so that they

622
00:31:56,200 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 1: don't hold you as an accessory. Yeah, well to considerate guys,

623
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 1: I know, which is how you become a Robin Hood

624
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 1: and not a random crime guy.

625
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 2: Yeah.

626
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 1: Another time they rob, they rob this bank expertly, like

627
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 1: a cop pulls a gun and they're like, no, no,

628
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 1: not today, and they just disarm him because they're like

629
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 1: not trying to like they actually like mostly try not

630
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 1: to kill people, including like tools of the fascist state,

631
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 1: unless they specifically want to assassinate specific people. So they

632
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 1: disarm the cop and then they place a fake bomb

633
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 1: near the entrance and they're like you'd better run and

634
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 1: take cover because of this bomb, and everyone runs and

635
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 1: take cover, and then it like the bomb never goes off,

636
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:41,960
Speaker 1: and finally when the bomb police or whatever show up,

637
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 1: it's just full of sand and a note that says,

638
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:48,719
Speaker 1: I'm not as bloodthirsty as the press makes me out

639
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 1: to be.

640
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 2: Basically amazing.

641
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, now you all just have PTSD.

642
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, forever traumatized, but you're not dead. Yeah.

643
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 1: So he's famous again. He's public enemy number one, and

644
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 1: the fascists are being fascists and they round up everyone

645
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 1: who's suspected of knowing him. So this time he wants

646
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 1: to get back to France. He's just pulled off this

647
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 1: crazy robbery. They've gotten a million pasettas, which actually seemed

648
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 1: to roughly equal about a dollar in twenty twenty three,

649
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 1: but with a wide range of possible failure. When I

650
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 1: asked a website how much is this worth? And whatever?

651
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:34,160
Speaker 1: They got a million fucking dollars And it's it's our

652
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 1: guy named Guy, and then it's another bank robber guy

653
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 1: that he doesn't trust. And then the other third person

654
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 1: who's coming with them across the border as a woman

655
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 1: who he does trust. And the book uses the name

656
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 1: Maria for her because the book was written in nineteen

657
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 1: seventy four and she was still alive and so is Franco.

658
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 1: So she was like, yeah, Maria, my name's totally Maria.

659
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is my only name.

660
00:33:57,240 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, And this time they take a route that they

661
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 1: haven't used in more than a decade. They I think

662
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 1: it's like way west from where they usually cross, and

663
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 1: they get lost, and so they recruit an old charcoal

664
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 1: burner to help them find the way. I had to

665
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 1: look at it bot anymore. Yeah, I had to look

666
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:16,760
Speaker 1: it up. It means you make charcoal.

667
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:20,320
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think I have actually seen people doing that

668
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:21,760
Speaker 2: in some of my work travels.

669
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:24,759
Speaker 1: That's cool. The charcoal burner was a trade unionist who

670
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 1: had been arrested in torture by the fascists, and he

671
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 1: wanted nothing to do with any of it. But when

672
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,759
Speaker 1: he was called upon, he helped them out and like

673
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:34,399
Speaker 1: sent his kid to direct them back onto the path.

674
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:36,879
Speaker 1: They left an envelope with a fuck ton of money

675
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 1: in his house. Before they left, another woman fed them

676
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 1: her husband was in prison three years already because he'd

677
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 1: gone to a socialist meeting. And everywhere they stopped, they

678
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 1: paid people like ten times what the food they ate

679
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:50,400
Speaker 1: was worth. Like one of them was like, here's for

680
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 1: your daughter's raincoat, and they gave like, you know, ten

681
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:58,400
Speaker 1: times as much money as raincoat costs. But then the

682
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:02,279
Speaker 1: bank robber guy. He stole the money and left while

683
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:03,280
Speaker 1: they're still longs.

684
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 2: Oh what absolute piece of shit.

685
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:12,319
Speaker 1: Fortunately you kind of can't get away with this such good.

686
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:15,239
Speaker 2: This is what happens when you create, like you leave

687
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:18,360
Speaker 2: a positive vibe when you go through places, right, you

688
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 2: create sorlidarity, and it makes it a lot higher for

689
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 2: people to fuck with you.

690
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally, just like some ad thing. For example, all

691
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:35,439
Speaker 1: of the products and services that come after this could

692
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 1: be yours for free. All you gotta do is this

693
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 1: one trick. Create a society based on solidarity and mutual aid. Yeah,

694
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:47,919
Speaker 1: or crime that's another Yeah, not a society based on crime,

695
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 1: but yeah, or you know, do things the standard way

696
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:54,799
Speaker 1: like I'm clearly doing and I'm a hypocrite for telling

697
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 1: you otherwise.

698
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, which is start a podcast and get Ronald

699
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 2: Reagan bunce you had.

700
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, the ghost of Ronald Reagan. Yeah, or maybe he's

701
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:09,960
Speaker 1: lich what's so dead? His philactory is these coins. If

702
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:11,440
Speaker 1: you buy the coins, you have a little piece of

703
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 1: his soul.

704
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:16,879
Speaker 2: Okay? Is that like a whole crux? Yeah? Yeah, less

705
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 2: turfy option yeah and older. It's what is where the

706
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 2: guys that woman stole from she plagiarized. Okay, yeah, shocked

707
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:28,759
Speaker 2: shocked to hear that such a morally upstanding person I know,

708
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:30,399
Speaker 2: jk Rowning, I know who.

709
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:39,879
Speaker 1: Is totally not litagious. Anyway, here's some ads and we're back.

710
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,359
Speaker 1: So the bank robber guy had just stolen the money

711
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:46,279
Speaker 1: and run off, and Sabat and Maria tracked him down.

712
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:49,360
Speaker 1: They were like, he's just gonna go to the nearest

713
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 1: town and buy him fucking alcohol. So they went to

714
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:53,880
Speaker 1: the nearest down they found him walking out of the

715
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 1: alcohol store common straight edge. W Yeah, yeah totally, And

716
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 1: he was like, oh, I totally wasn't trying to ditch you.

717
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 1: I had to run because some cops came by. And

718
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 1: they then spend like three days in a slow motion

719
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 1: standoff where they know that this bank. They're moving through

720
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 1: the mountains pretending to be friends. The other guy has

721
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 1: his hand on his gun under his coat the entire time,

722
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:23,760
Speaker 1: and so they have to like watch him, and Sabata

723
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 1: is just like not sleeping right right, and neither's the

724
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 1: other guy, and they're just like and geez, and so

725
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 1: they're just like slowly walking through the mountains waiting for

726
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:37,840
Speaker 1: a chance to sick someone to get the drop on

727
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 1: someone else. Yeah, And finally at one point he like

728
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 1: takes a drink with both hands on the cup, you know, yeah, yeah,

729
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:53,360
Speaker 1: and Maria uh and Sabate basically like, Sabate pulls a

730
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 1: gun and Maria disarms him and is like and Maria's

731
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 1: like found where all of his knives are by like

732
00:37:57,520 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 1: carefully watching him the whole time. So disarms him, not

733
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 1: just of the gun, but all of the knives and stuff.

734
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 1: And they take the money back, and since this is Sabate,

735
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:09,360
Speaker 1: he doesn't kill him. He gives him a speech about

736
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 1: anarchy and the need to be selfless in the cause

737
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:15,800
Speaker 1: of revolution, and then says, we will take you to

738
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:19,799
Speaker 1: France because he's wanted in Spain and he'll kill him.

739
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 2: Yeah.

740
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 1: So they take him to France, give him some money,

741
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 1: and never see him again.

742
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, morally upstanding gun.

743
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, but there's a problem. It's the similar problem that

744
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 1: he keeps running into when he goes to France. The

745
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:36,719
Speaker 1: world is moving towards accepting a fascist Spain with a

746
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 1: dictator who won power Viakup. France is starting to cooperate

747
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 1: with Franco more and more. An arrested comrade in Spain

748
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:47,320
Speaker 1: is tortured and he leads French, which leads French cops

749
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:50,280
Speaker 1: to a Sabate stash of guns in France, and Sabate

750
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:52,880
Speaker 1: is now wanted in France too, but he won't go

751
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 1: on the run in France. That's like not his vibe.

752
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:58,799
Speaker 1: So he turns himself in and his defense in court

753
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:01,760
Speaker 1: is basically like, well, yeah, those are those are my guns.

754
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:06,840
Speaker 1: Those are for shooting fascists in Spain, yea. And the

755
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 1: court is like, those are indeed mitigating circumstances. We're going

756
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:14,279
Speaker 1: to reduce your sentence. However, this is not your first time,

757
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 1: so we're also going to up it. So he gets

758
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:21,439
Speaker 1: eight months. Oh wow, yeah, which I could totally see

759
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 1: them being like, well it's good, but it's illegal, so

760
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, split the difference. Yeah, and

761
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:33,399
Speaker 1: they tell him that he's trapped into Jean for another

762
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 1: fucking five years. Scraping James's skin off of the pavement

763
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 1: from the future.

764
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:44,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's a wait punishment. I know, it's very

765
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 2: come up with him. Yeah, French'll be at that.

766
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:49,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's why someone pushed you while you're riding

767
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 1: your bike. You were the first James Stout who rode

768
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:55,479
Speaker 1: through the streets. So yeah, when Sabote got out of prison,

769
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 1: he started working as an HVAC repairmanka and building up

770
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:03,320
Speaker 1: contact and even more resistance fighters had died while he

771
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 1: was in prison. One of his old friends, an Italian

772
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:08,880
Speaker 1: named Face, went down in a hail of gunfire as

773
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 1: he tried to cross the border into Spain and the

774
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:15,880
Speaker 1: resistance communities in exile, the ones in France were just

775
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 1: like not interested his brand of resistance anymore. But he

776
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:24,239
Speaker 1: he can't quit, like he he's like constitutionally incapable of

777
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 1: quitting and like morally incapable of quitting. He has friends

778
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 1: rotting in prison. One of his friends, I think it

779
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:32,440
Speaker 1: was Rosette, wrote him and was like living like a

780
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:35,719
Speaker 1: lord over there in France while I rot in prisons.

781
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:40,840
Speaker 1: Fuck you know, because he's like living this nightmare of

782
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 1: everyone dying around like whatever. Yeah, it constantly on their ready,

783
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 1: And he has friends and brothers, two of them at

784
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:52,359
Speaker 1: least rotting in the ground. So he crosses over into

785
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:55,800
Speaker 1: Spain a final time in December nineteen fifty nine, but

786
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:58,880
Speaker 1: the French authorities had tipped off the fascists and so

787
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 1: he and his companions four other anarchists with him. They're

788
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:05,399
Speaker 1: met with gunfire. They take refuge in a farmhouse which

789
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 1: was soon laid siege by the fascists, and the fighting

790
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 1: lasted all day and into the night, and during the

791
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:12,720
Speaker 1: night the anarchists tried to escape.

792
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 3: They like.

793
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:17,840
Speaker 1: Three of them like pushed a cow to be like

794
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 1: O cow go and then like try to run away

795
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:23,759
Speaker 1: while the people were like shooting the poor cow. They

796
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 1: didn't succeed. They get gunned down. One of them hides

797
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 1: and is later found executed. Sabate he has three bullet

798
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:34,799
Speaker 1: holes in him. I think his like leg, his butt,

799
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 1: and then I can't remember where else, maybe his arm

800
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 1: or something. And he decides to crawl away. And while

801
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 1: he's crawling away in the dark, he runs across someone

802
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:46,920
Speaker 1: else who's crawling and the other crawler is like, don't shoot,

803
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 1: I'm the lieutenant, and it's the lieutenant is trying to

804
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:55,399
Speaker 1: run away too, So Sabat shoots and kills the guy. Yeah,

805
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 1: and then keeps crawling, and every time he keeps running

806
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 1: across police lines, he's like, don't shoot, I'm the lieutenant. Amazing,

807
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 1: and he escapes, uh kind of yeah, Okay, he's the

808
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:13,719
Speaker 1: only one who gets out. He dropped Pepper on his

809
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:16,239
Speaker 1: tracks to confuse the scent dogs. I think he's learned

810
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:18,479
Speaker 1: his lesson from getting all last time dogs.

811
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:18,759
Speaker 2: Yeah.

812
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, like his brother before him. He swam across a

813
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 1: river despite bullet holes. He reached a train station, pointed

814
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 1: a gun at the conductor, the gun talked to conductor,

815
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 1: gave him a sandwich and let him ride sandwiches, and

816
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:38,759
Speaker 1: then slowed down before the next station so that he

817
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 1: could jump off like ahead of time without getting caught.

818
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:45,880
Speaker 1: And then he hitched a ride into town. Cops found

819
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:48,719
Speaker 1: him feverish. He would have died of gangrene at this

820
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 1: point no matter what, and he shot one before he

821
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:53,799
Speaker 1: was gunned down at eight thirty am on the fifth

822
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 1: of January nineteen sixty. Most likely but unconfirmable. His last

823
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 1: words were the last words of so many others, Viva

824
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 1: la anarchy, long live anarchy. And the reason we think

825
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:07,799
Speaker 1: this is that the press kept reporting that his last

826
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 1: words were Viva la morte long lived death, which is

827
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 1: a fascist slogan.

828
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:16,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's milanissing for the Spanish legion.

829
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:20,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's no way he would have said that. That

830
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:23,279
Speaker 1: was part of the press talking trash on him. So

831
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 1: if he said viva la anything before he died, which

832
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:28,320
Speaker 1: he may or may not have, it was viva la anarchy.

833
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:33,840
Speaker 1: And I want to quote, I want to end with

834
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 1: a quote from Alfredo Banano, who's an anarchist insurrectionist author,

835
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 1: from the introduction to the book Sabat that most of

836
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 1: but not all, of the history that I'm drawing from

837
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:47,840
Speaker 1: was pulled, and the quote is it is necessary to

838
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 1: understand that we cannot wait for others, not even for

839
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:52,880
Speaker 1: other comrades, to give us the sign to act. The

840
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:57,319
Speaker 1: final indication this must come from us. Each of us,

841
00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:00,440
Speaker 1: taken individually, must find his or her own commons and

842
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 1: constitute small affinity groups, which are the essential element for

843
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 1: giving life to the organization of attack that we need.

844
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 1: Actions will come easily as a natural consequence of the

845
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 1: decision to act together against the common enemy. Grand words,

846
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:17,279
Speaker 1: declarations to go down in history, the great organizations of

847
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 1: the glorious past, and vast programs for the future are

848
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:23,760
Speaker 1: all useless if the will of the individual comrade is lacking.

849
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:28,280
Speaker 1: And in this perspective, Sabate was never alone. His struggle

850
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 1: continues today. End quote.

851
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:37,279
Speaker 2: It's pretty great, Yeah, yeah, what a what a cool guy. Yeah, yeah,

852
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 2: it's pretty sad that he died in nineteen sixty when

853
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 2: like anti Francoism became more and more powerful. Yeah, in

854
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 2: those following years, right, more student protests, more the broader

855
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 2: based movement against Francoism and against Soviet communism like throughout

856
00:44:58,719 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 2: Europe in that time.

857
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, or Arrianism in general.

858
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, people thought authoritad is bad maybe, yeah, which it is.

859
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 1: It's bad. You live in a fascist country, like a

860
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:13,440
Speaker 1: literal Hiham Franco. I call myself fascist.

861
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I've incorporated the fascias dual symbology because I

862
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 2: think it's good.

863
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 1: Actually, yeah, but yeah, yeah, that's uh, that's that's Sabote,

864
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 1: that's Elkko. I uh, what do you g?

865
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 2: I enjoyed that, Yeah, I like.

866
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:34,880
Speaker 1: I got a lot out of reading it. I like,

867
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:38,920
Speaker 1: you know, because I barely knew about him, right, because

868
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 1: he he wasn't presented as like one of the great thinkers.

869
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 1: There's no like specific movement that you know. It wasn't

870
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:49,040
Speaker 1: a rudy he wasn't you know whatever. It wasn't all

871
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 1: these people, but he was this person who did so much.

872
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:55,839
Speaker 3: For so long.

873
00:45:57,400 --> 00:45:59,319
Speaker 1: I mean partly because he has seen so much, right

874
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:02,440
Speaker 1: you know, right, Yeah, I just I'm imagining him and

875
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 1: those last days, Like he probably knew that wasn't going

876
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 1: to work. He probably decided ten years earlier, he's just

877
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:10,680
Speaker 1: going to do this until they shoot.

878
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:13,480
Speaker 2: Him, right. Yeah. All of these people knew that they

879
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:15,759
Speaker 2: wouldn't die at home with their families, right, Yeah, they

880
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:19,719
Speaker 2: still kept doing it. Yeah. Yeah, it's nice sometimes to

881
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 2: like there are of course a great anichi thinkers. We

882
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:24,880
Speaker 2: talk about them not, but they're also great anarchist doers

883
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:28,279
Speaker 2: and like, yeah, maybe we don't talk about them enough. Yeah,

884
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 2: especially when they were like incredibly selfless and like lived

885
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:37,399
Speaker 2: by the morality that they preached. And yeah, like Spain

886
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 2: seems to have been a bit of a hot spot

887
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 2: for those people. Yeah, yeah, I really love his consistent morality.

888
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 2: He's like, this is what I believe the world should

889
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 2: be based on, and this is what I'm going to do.

890
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:50,839
Speaker 2: I can't let these bad things happen, but I will

891
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:52,840
Speaker 2: not be bloodthirsty. I will not use this.

892
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 1: I mean, he was like walking around with millions of

893
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 1: dollars constantly, right, and he wasn't like doing anything with

894
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:01,520
Speaker 1: that money. Besides, like giving it to the families of

895
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:03,400
Speaker 1: dead you know, dead comrades.

896
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:07,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's Yeah, it's all very admirable. Yeah,

897
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 2: but it creates a movement that like if you just

898
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 2: normalize that shit, right, Like if you just normalize not

899
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:17,840
Speaker 2: acting as if you're the only person, you know, the

900
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:21,319
Speaker 2: sort of like low key solutism that capitalism encourages. Yeah,

901
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:25,000
Speaker 2: like and instead like acting as if you're a member

902
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:27,080
Speaker 2: of society. What was you all care for one another? Yeah,

903
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 2: then like it's very easy to do, Like I see

904
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:34,879
Speaker 2: people do it, even like I rememberriting a scripture series

905
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 2: about this border shit. But like it really struck me

906
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:40,840
Speaker 2: the other day that two people who were being detained

907
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:43,399
Speaker 2: by border patrol in the fucking in between the two

908
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 2: border walls that we have that covered in dust and

909
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:47,759
Speaker 2: like you know, sleeping out of a top well, like,

910
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:49,879
Speaker 2: hey man, there's a camp where things are much worse,

911
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:52,719
Speaker 2: and then not allowing aid workers to go there. Could

912
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:56,400
Speaker 2: you help us by giving us as many bottles of

913
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 2: water as you can so we can carry them up

914
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 2: there for other people. Like it's very Yeah, it's cool

915
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:04,960
Speaker 2: when people, you know, I'm always inspired little things like

916
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:07,359
Speaker 2: that where I see people like not acting as if

917
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:09,400
Speaker 2: they're the only human beings on the planet, and like

918
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 2: it's nice to be reminded that that's an option.

919
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:15,800
Speaker 1: No, And and even though this is like a story

920
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 1: about action, right, m it's a story about mutual aid,

921
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:22,480
Speaker 1: and it's a story about trying to create a society,

922
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 1: I'm mutual based on mutual aid.

923
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:24,840
Speaker 3: You know.

924
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:28,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, and like and like go ahead, go ahead, no.

925
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:40,359
Speaker 2: No, I think glasses from reading off his grip, there's

926
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:44,800
Speaker 2: a thing like where de Ruti looks as so that

927
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:47,279
Speaker 2: like another world is possible and it grows in our

928
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:50,200
Speaker 2: hearts every minute, right yea, where like I think what

929
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 2: he's trying to say is that like it's possible because

930
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:56,560
Speaker 2: we're doing it, like rather than being like anarchism is

931
00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:59,759
Speaker 2: a thing that we must struggle towards and like a

932
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:03,480
Speaker 2: long off distant it'll like, you know, which is the

933
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 2: way kind of authoritarian comodies have justified doing authoritarian ship

934
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:10,440
Speaker 2: for so long. They anarchism is a thing we do

935
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:13,719
Speaker 2: every day in all our interactions, and yeah, it's a

936
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 2: the world that we build ourselves with every every time

937
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 2: we interact with another person.

938
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:22,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, now that I like that, maybe that's a good

939
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:24,800
Speaker 1: good note to end on what do you want to

940
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:28,880
Speaker 1: plug maybe especially the kind of like border stuff like

941
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:32,320
Speaker 1: what if what if people who say live near the

942
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 1: US border want to or or oh yeah, like how

943
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:39,680
Speaker 1: can people be useful about this like crisis that's happening

944
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:42,960
Speaker 1: right now where non dispersed champaign has been promoted at

945
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:43,760
Speaker 1: the southern border.

946
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:49,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think things you can do If you have money,

947
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 2: then you can give to groups like Altlado to Border

948
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 2: Kindness who group out of San Diego, Armadillos, the Eagles

949
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 2: of the Desert. Let's let's you can give to No

950
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 2: Master and Worthy in Arizona. Those are people who are

951
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:08,239
Speaker 2: at there every weekend dropping water in the desert so

952
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:10,840
Speaker 2: that people don't die trying to come here, which is

953
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:12,879
Speaker 2: a good thing, and they're doing it because they want

954
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:17,120
Speaker 2: to help. If you have time, you can of course

955
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:18,760
Speaker 2: go out and drop water a place in the desert,

956
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 2: joining one of those groups. If you're a citizen, that's

957
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 2: perfectly legal and don't know they want to tell you

958
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:26,759
Speaker 2: it's not and you can. This is one of the

959
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 2: things where you probably could make a difference by calling

960
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:33,440
Speaker 2: whichever person wearing a suit is supposed to represent you,

961
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:35,440
Speaker 2: Like I understand that they don't and for the most part,

962
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:39,319
Speaker 2: they don't care. But there was one person who came

963
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:41,600
Speaker 2: from a California state censor's office who was able to

964
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 2: secure a mutilad group's access to where these people were camping,

965
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:48,040
Speaker 2: which makes a difference between people, I'm not exaggerating, between

966
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:52,040
Speaker 2: people loving and dying, right, And so they're calling those

967
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:54,440
Speaker 2: people and being like, why the fuck are you not

968
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:58,480
Speaker 2: that's one California state senator right in the biggest state

969
00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:01,800
Speaker 2: in the country. Yeah, and no one else did shit.

970
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:04,800
Speaker 2: He was at Steve Padia if people want to know

971
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 2: who that was, someone from his office. But this is

972
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:10,120
Speaker 2: probably a thing that you can call people make a

973
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:13,800
Speaker 2: difference on, and you can show up. Like every single

974
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:16,080
Speaker 2: time that's happened, right, this happened in twenty eighteen with

975
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:18,360
Speaker 2: the quote unquote caravan that came at the time of

976
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:22,319
Speaker 2: the midterms. The only people who show up to help

977
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:25,239
Speaker 2: are people just like you, Like, don't think that what

978
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:28,160
Speaker 2: you have is too small or too insignificant to make

979
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:31,000
Speaker 2: a difference, because like showing up with a bottle of

980
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:34,200
Speaker 2: water and a smile can change someone to day when

981
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:36,680
Speaker 2: the state is treating them like they're not a human being.

982
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:40,360
Speaker 2: Acknowledging their common humanity is really important. So if you

983
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:44,160
Speaker 2: have it within your means physically and financially to show up,

984
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:48,040
Speaker 2: show up otherwise, you know, giving your money and giving

985
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:51,920
Speaker 2: your time, and then like these people who were in

986
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:56,279
Speaker 2: the desert last week will hopefully be in your communities

987
00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:59,240
Speaker 2: one day. Like refugees aren't just people who stop existing

988
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:01,759
Speaker 2: after they leave the border. They need your help. And

989
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 2: when they come to your community, show them that they're welcome. Yeah,

990
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:07,120
Speaker 2: and then if people don't want to make them welcome,

991
00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:09,440
Speaker 2: then tell those people that their bigotry is not welcome.

992
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:13,440
Speaker 2: Hell yeah, yeah, you know in any way that you

993
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:18,040
Speaker 2: see fit. Yeah, yeah, that's what I want to plug

994
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:19,000
Speaker 2: is doing all that shit.

995
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:25,040
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, well that makes my plug film selfish, which

996
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:28,040
Speaker 1: is that I'm kickstarting a tabletop role playing game.

997
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:31,000
Speaker 2: No, it's good, it's good. It's good. We should we

998
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:34,600
Speaker 2: should remember that, like joy is important. Yeah, we continue

999
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:38,040
Speaker 2: in our struggles against the system which rips joy from us.

1000
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:42,880
Speaker 1: And collaborative storytelling with your friends and like, I don't know,

1001
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:44,759
Speaker 1: I I yeah, I get a lot out of it.

1002
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:47,840
Speaker 1: And so I'm currently kick starting a game, well currently

1003
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:51,799
Speaker 1: as of this, you know, June twenty twenty three. If

1004
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:53,759
Speaker 1: it's after that, you can probably just buy the game.

1005
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 1: It's called The Number City. It's been published by Strangers

1006
00:52:56,719 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 1: in a Tangled Wilderness, which is an anarchist publishing collective

1007
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:02,920
Speaker 1: that I'm part of, and I'm real proud of it.

1008
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:04,600
Speaker 1: I've been working on this game for like ten years

1009
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:09,719
Speaker 1: in different forms, and you can do that, Sophie, you

1010
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 1: got anything you want to plug? Hot Dog book? Hot

1011
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:14,440
Speaker 1: Dog book is out, Yeah.

1012
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:17,480
Speaker 3: Braw Dog by Jamie loftis Yeah, I know, but.

1013
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:19,279
Speaker 1: I pre ordered it to my house that I live at.

1014
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:21,239
Speaker 1: But I don't spend a lot of my time at

1015
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:23,840
Speaker 1: the house that I live at, so I don't have

1016
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:24,239
Speaker 1: it yet.

1017
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:27,600
Speaker 2: I'm going to go to an independent BOOKSTOREM.

1018
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:28,400
Speaker 3: Can borrow my copy.

1019
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:32,400
Speaker 2: Okay, that's good. Is your copy signed, Sophie?

1020
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:37,960
Speaker 3: No, but I but when I see her in a week,

1021
00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:38,520
Speaker 3: she'll sign it.

1022
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:40,680
Speaker 1: But no, No, I have a copy.

1023
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:44,200
Speaker 3: But I've seen I've read before. It was in print

1024
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:45,920
Speaker 3: because friendship.

1025
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:49,640
Speaker 1: Because we are discussing friend of the pod, Jamie Loftus's

1026
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:53,520
Speaker 1: book raw Dog, which is a history of hot dogs,

1027
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:56,440
Speaker 1: that is going to be really good. Yeah, way more entertaining.

1028
00:53:56,520 --> 00:53:58,160
Speaker 1: I was like, no part of me that doubts that

1029
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:00,919
Speaker 1: this wid incredibly entertaining and informa of book.

1030
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:05,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, can I do my horrible capitalism line that?

1031
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:07,759
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm supposed to please Sophie. Yeah.

1032
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:10,839
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