WEBVTT - The Bloodiest 47 Acres in America

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Haunted Road, a production of I Heart Radio

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<v Speaker 1>and Grim and Mild from Aaron Minky Listener. Discretion is advised.

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<v Speaker 1>From the outside, this penitentiary looked like the model of

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<v Speaker 1>capital punishment. Its inmates powered factories that made the prison

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<v Speaker 1>a center of industry, manufacturing goods that were shipped across

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<v Speaker 1>the country in a system that penal experts hailed as

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<v Speaker 1>a master class in efficiency and an example for other

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<v Speaker 1>prisons to follow. But on the inside, inmates told a

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<v Speaker 1>different story, one of severe punishments for infractions as minimal

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<v Speaker 1>as playing cards in their cells, or, in some instances,

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<v Speaker 1>for just speaking at all. Prisoners were immersed in ice

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<v Speaker 1>baths to which nausea inducing chemicals had been added when

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<v Speaker 1>they were suspected of faking illness. The beatings continued long

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<v Speaker 1>after the prison claimed to have phased out corporal punishment,

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<v Speaker 1>but when it eventually did, the alternatives were no better.

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<v Speaker 1>Guards shifted their disciplinary methods to psychological ones, leaning on

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<v Speaker 1>tactics like degradation, humiliation, and isolation to enforce penalties on inmates.

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<v Speaker 1>Many were confined to the whole the medieval style dungeon

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<v Speaker 1>that served as the prisons solitary confinement. Some were kept

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<v Speaker 1>alone in the dark for ages. In one case, a

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<v Speaker 1>man was kept alone in the hole for twelve long years.

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<v Speaker 1>It's no wonder that stories of ghosts and hauntings abound here,

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<v Speaker 1>a place that you can even visit yourself. So let's

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<v Speaker 1>head to Jefferson City, Missouri and visit the Bloodiest forty

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<v Speaker 1>seven acres in America, otherwise known as Missouri State Penitentiary.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Amy Brunei and welcome to Haunted Road. Missouri State

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<v Speaker 1>Penitentiary was decommissioned in two thousand four after nearly one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred seventy years of brutal incarceration, but the stories of

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<v Speaker 1>harsh punishments and austere living conditions still live on in

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<v Speaker 1>the buildings today, in the people who come to visit

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<v Speaker 1>the prison, and in the spirits who have stayed behind,

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<v Speaker 1>replaying their years at what is sometimes called the Bloodiest

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<v Speaker 1>forty seven acres in America, over and over into infinity.

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<v Speaker 1>The first state penal institution west of the Mississippi, Missouri

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<v Speaker 1>State Penitentiary, opened in eighteen thirty six. It's located in

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<v Speaker 1>Jefferson City, today, a city of about forty thousand midway

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<v Speaker 1>between Kansas City and St. Louis on the Missouri River.

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<v Speaker 1>Jeff City, as it's known to locals, was originally intended

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<v Speaker 1>to be Missouri's capital as early back as eighteen twenty one.

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<v Speaker 1>According to the City of Jefferson's historical records. The town

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<v Speaker 1>was incorporated in eighteen twenty five, and the General Assembly

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<v Speaker 1>moved there in eighteen twenty six. At that time, the

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<v Speaker 1>town had thirty one families, a general store, a hotel,

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<v Speaker 1>and a few other buildings. Other cities resented Jefferson's status

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<v Speaker 1>and attempted to have the capital moved, Aiming to cement

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<v Speaker 1>its status as Missouri's capital. Governor John Miller proposed the

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<v Speaker 1>city as the site for a new state penitentiary in

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen thirty two. This would become the Missouri State Penitentiary.

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<v Speaker 1>Its first inmate, Wilson Eisen, was sentenced to over two

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<v Speaker 1>years for stealing a watch valued at thirty nine dollars

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<v Speaker 1>about eight hundred thirty dollars today. Initially, the prison only

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<v Speaker 1>housed male inmates, but began incarcerating women in eighteen forty two.

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<v Speaker 1>Even outside the prison walls, the city has seen its

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<v Speaker 1>share of strife over the years. In eighteen forty nine,

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<v Speaker 1>a ship carrying a mixture of Mormon migrants and gold

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<v Speaker 1>rush hopefuls landed in Jefferson City. Some of the passengers

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<v Speaker 1>were infected with cholera, and the resulting outbreak in the

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<v Speaker 1>city lasted two long years. In eighteen fifty five, residents

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<v Speaker 1>waited to welcome the first train on the new cific

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<v Speaker 1>railroad line from St. Louis into Jefferson City, but it

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<v Speaker 1>never arrived. A bridge collapse had caused a wreck over

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<v Speaker 1>the Gasconade River that killed around thirty people and injured

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<v Speaker 1>dozens more. During the Civil War, the state Assembly voted

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<v Speaker 1>to remain in the Union, but Governor Jackson refused to

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<v Speaker 1>recognize federal authority and also refused to send troops to

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<v Speaker 1>fight for the Union Army, instead raising a militia to

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<v Speaker 1>join the Confederate Army. In response, Union troops took over

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<v Speaker 1>the city After the war ended, Missouri State Penitentiary built

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<v Speaker 1>housing unit for commonly known as a hall, for post

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<v Speaker 1>Civil War criminals who spent their days quarrying stone. The

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<v Speaker 1>prison eventually expanded its industrial work, manufacturing products with prison labor.

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<v Speaker 1>By eighty five, according to sources, it housed six shoe factories,

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<v Speaker 1>clothing broom and twine factories, and the largest saddletree factory

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<v Speaker 1>in the world. Located on a bluff overlooking the Missouri River,

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<v Speaker 1>Missouri State Penitentiary is a collection of buildings ringed with

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<v Speaker 1>a limestone wall two and a half feet thick in

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<v Speaker 1>parts as high as thirty feets hall, dotted with eleven

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<v Speaker 1>guard towers. The wall itself is one of the oldest

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<v Speaker 1>architectural structures in the city, with sections still standing today

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<v Speaker 1>that were built between eighteen thirty three and eighteen thirty

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<v Speaker 1>five before the prison opened. Although some of the buildings

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<v Speaker 1>were torn down when the prison was decommissioned in two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand four, including the chapel and warehouses, many remain, including

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<v Speaker 1>multiple housing units and factories, as well as the gas chamber.

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<v Speaker 1>Six of the prison cells date back to the eighteen forties.

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<v Speaker 1>The oldest remaining building, a hall, was built in eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>sixty eight in the high Victorian Gothic style. The castle

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<v Speaker 1>like four story building has cells that overlook a central hall,

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<v Speaker 1>the isolation cells where prisoners were kept in solitary confinement

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<v Speaker 1>or in the basement of that building. Housing Unit one,

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<v Speaker 1>built in nineteen o five, was the female department of

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<v Speaker 1>the prison. Above one of the arches leading inside was

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<v Speaker 1>the biblical quote, he who converteth a center from the

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<v Speaker 1>error of his way, shall save a soul from death.

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<v Speaker 1>Additional housing units were built about a decade later, and

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<v Speaker 1>the prison added a gas chamber in nineteen thirty seven.

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<v Speaker 1>Until that point, all of the executions, and there were many,

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<v Speaker 1>were public hangings, with countless citizens of Jefferson City watching

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<v Speaker 1>the building housing The gas chamber has two viewing rooms

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<v Speaker 1>and two cells. Inside the white walled gas chambers, steel

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<v Speaker 1>execution chairs are still in place to this day. Also

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<v Speaker 1>still on the property the J. S. Sullivan Saddletree Factory Building,

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<v Speaker 1>constructed in eighteen ninety two, Primeers Boot and Shoe Factory

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<v Speaker 1>originally built around eighteen eighty nine, which was burned in

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<v Speaker 1>the nineteen fifty four prison riots and rebuilt in the

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen sixties, and the hobby Craft building, completed in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>sixty eight. Though the prisoners were employed in those factories,

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<v Speaker 1>they were still subject to harsh treatment from guards, both

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<v Speaker 1>in the factories and in the prison buildings themselves. Corporal

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<v Speaker 1>punishment was rampant in the prisons earlier days. Inmates were

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<v Speaker 1>routinely flogged for offenses such as playing cards in their

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<v Speaker 1>cells and talking in the prisons op according to meticulous

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<v Speaker 1>logs from the eighteen eighties. According to an article in

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<v Speaker 1>the St. Louis Post Dispatch, four prisoners who had tools

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<v Speaker 1>in their cells and tried to escape got the following punishment.

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<v Speaker 1>One half of head shaved and leg irons. Conditions were

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<v Speaker 1>bad even for those who weren't cop breaking the rules.

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<v Speaker 1>By the late eighteen hundreds, according to the Penitentiaries Historical Timeline,

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<v Speaker 1>it was considered one of the most efficient prisons in

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<v Speaker 1>the country, housing and feeding inmates for eleven cents per day.

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<v Speaker 1>That's about three dollars and fifty cents in today's dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>By contrast, today the cost of incarceration in America is

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<v Speaker 1>about one eight dollars per prisoner per day. However, efficiency

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<v Speaker 1>in the Missouri State Penitentiary did not equal safety. Violence

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<v Speaker 1>persisted within the walls, both from inmates and from guards.

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<v Speaker 1>In one nineteen o five incident, an inmate, a guard,

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<v Speaker 1>and a gatekeeper were killed and three more men were

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<v Speaker 1>wounded during an escape attempt in which four prisoners attempted

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<v Speaker 1>to use nitroglycerin to destroy the prisons iron Gates. Mistreatment

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<v Speaker 1>from the guards wasn't just common, it was encouraged by

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<v Speaker 1>prison officials. In a nineteen oh six opinion piece in

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<v Speaker 1>the Kentucky Post and Time, star warden Matt W. Hall

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<v Speaker 1>called for hanging anyone who had committed a wilful and

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<v Speaker 1>deliberate murder and declared, I would amend the Constitution of

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<v Speaker 1>the United States and unsexed every man or woman as

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<v Speaker 1>soon as the fact was established that he or she

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<v Speaker 1>was a habitual criminal, I would let the second offense

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<v Speaker 1>of larceny established the fact. The prison claimed to have

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<v Speaker 1>ended floggings and other corporal punishments around the turn of

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<v Speaker 1>the twentieth century, instead choosing to punish inmates by placing

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<v Speaker 1>them in the hole. The dungeon like basement isolation cells

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<v Speaker 1>where the worst offenders were kept, including inmates on death row.

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<v Speaker 1>These six foot by five foot cells were tiny and

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<v Speaker 1>dark and could house prisoners for a very long time.

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<v Speaker 1>Some inmates spent more than a decade in the whole.

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<v Speaker 1>One man JB. Firebug Johnson spent twelve of his eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>years in the penitent jury in solitary. Convicted of robbery,

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<v Speaker 1>he attacked several guards and set the prisons harness shop

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<v Speaker 1>ablaze in eighteen eighty three, a fire which destroyed three

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<v Speaker 1>buildings and left four convicts severely burned. Newspapers of the

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<v Speaker 1>time reported that he spent his days training the cockroaches

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<v Speaker 1>in his cell, as well as learning to read and

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<v Speaker 1>to write. Eventually, he authored a book called Buried Alive

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<v Speaker 1>or Eighteen Years in the Missouri Penitentiary. However, in nineteen thirteen,

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<v Speaker 1>prisoners told The Washington Post that not only did flogging

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<v Speaker 1>persist as a punishment in the institution, but that they

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<v Speaker 1>were subjected to being held underwater in ice bats with

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<v Speaker 1>a Nazia causing chemical added if they were thought to

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<v Speaker 1>be faking illness to avoid prison labor. By nineteen thirty two,

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<v Speaker 1>Missouri State Penitentiary held fifty two hundred inmates, the largest

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<v Speaker 1>inmate population in the United States. According to Atlas Obscura,

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<v Speaker 1>it was considered one of the most successful prisons in

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<v Speaker 1>the country. However, that is a far larger number of

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<v Speaker 1>inmates than the prison was designed to hold, another act

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<v Speaker 1>that speaks to the quality of the living conditions inside

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<v Speaker 1>those walls. Once the gas chamber was installed in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>thirty seven, it was the site of forty executions. The

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<v Speaker 1>first men executed in the gas chamber on March third,

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen thirty eight, where John Brown thirty five and William

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<v Speaker 1>Wright thirty two. Brown had been convicted of killing a

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<v Speaker 1>police officer while holding up a bar, and Wright had

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<v Speaker 1>killed an employee in a drug store robbery. At least

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<v Speaker 1>one prisoner executed in the gas chamber, twenty four year

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<v Speaker 1>old Robert West, had helped to corey the stone that

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<v Speaker 1>built it. One man, Claude McGee, was executed in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>fifty one for a crime committed within the prison. He

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<v Speaker 1>had beaten a fellow inmate, John Masson, to death with

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<v Speaker 1>a hammer in the prison yard in nineteen forty eight.

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<v Speaker 1>Only one woman was ever executed at the Missouri State Penitentiary,

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<v Speaker 1>Bonnie B. Hetty, who, along with Carl Austin Hall, kidnapped

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<v Speaker 1>and murdered a young boy. They were both executed on

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<v Speaker 1>December eighteenth, nineteen fifty three. Hetty would be the last

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<v Speaker 1>woman executed by the federal government until twenty twenty one.

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<v Speaker 1>The last execution at the prison of George tiny Mercer

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<v Speaker 1>was done by lethal injection in nineteen eighty nine. In

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen fifty four, a deadly riot shook the prison. At

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<v Speaker 1>the time, the penitentiary held two thousand, five hundred seventy

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<v Speaker 1>five inmates, almost four hundred more than in nineteen thirty two,

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<v Speaker 1>when the prison was already considered to be deeply overcrowded.

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<v Speaker 1>At the time of the riot, many prisoners had grievances,

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<v Speaker 1>according to the St. Louis Post Dispatch, over bad food,

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<v Speaker 1>dirty conditions, and an unforgiving parole board. An inmate later

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<v Speaker 1>said that the cause of the riot was brutality, cruel

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<v Speaker 1>and unusual punishment by the guards, and that the clothes

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<v Speaker 1>they wore were raggedy clothes that didn't fit them, the

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<v Speaker 1>shoes they wore didn't fit them, and you were short

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<v Speaker 1>changed on medication. There too, inmates and EHL Lord guards

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<v Speaker 1>to their cell. The overpowered them and stole their keys,

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<v Speaker 1>proceeding to free other inmates from their cells. According to

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<v Speaker 1>a history from the Missouri State Penitentiary, soon a large

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<v Speaker 1>group of inmates was running loose race around the compound

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<v Speaker 1>and emptying other cell blocks along their path. One group

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<v Speaker 1>of inmates entered the dining hall, smashing windows and chairs.

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<v Speaker 1>In the prison shops, anything flammable was set a fire

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<v Speaker 1>freed inmates didn't just enact revenge on the guards and

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<v Speaker 1>the prison itself, but on fellow incarceories. As violence ran rampant,

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<v Speaker 1>one inmate in solitary confinement, thirty year old Walter Lee Donald,

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<v Speaker 1>was tortured and eventually killed with a sledgehammer by fellow prisoners.

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<v Speaker 1>Donald was incarcerated for first degree robbery and had testified

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<v Speaker 1>against others. Called a stool pigeon, he had been stabbed

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<v Speaker 1>while in the general population and was in solitary for

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<v Speaker 1>his own protection. In an attempt to control the riot,

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<v Speaker 1>state troopers responded and opened fire on the prison from

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<v Speaker 1>the administration building with machine guns, killing three more inmates

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<v Speaker 1>and injuring nineteen others. Police forces eventually called the riot,

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<v Speaker 1>during which no prisoners escaped. The damage, though was extensive.

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<v Speaker 1>Fire set by inmates destroyed a number of structures and

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<v Speaker 1>foting the prisons recreation building, vocational building, tobacco shop, license

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<v Speaker 1>plate factory, and dining hall, which housed the chapel and

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<v Speaker 1>the prison school. As Mike Lear described in his history

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<v Speaker 1>of the riot, the Truman Commission that studied the prison

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<v Speaker 1>after the September nineteen fifty four riot used the word

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<v Speaker 1>deplorable repeatedly in its report on the conditions and state

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<v Speaker 1>of the facility. Despite the riot and the public scrutiny,

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<v Speaker 1>that prison then received nothing inside changed. Seven inmates were

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<v Speaker 1>convicted on murder charges, but all of them gave what

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<v Speaker 1>were believed to be coerced confessions a month later. Another

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<v Speaker 1>shorter riot occurred in October of that year, during which

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<v Speaker 1>one inmate, year old Joseph our Coffee, was killed by

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<v Speaker 1>corrections officers. A new warden, E. V. Nash, was brought

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<v Speaker 1>in after the riot, but violence and poor conditions continued

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<v Speaker 1>inside the walls. Another wave of violence in nineteen sixty

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<v Speaker 1>four finally prompted an overhaul of the prison when an

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<v Speaker 1>administrative review condemned conditions inside. A day after review, on

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<v Speaker 1>December eighteenth, nineteen sixty four, Nash shot himself in the

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<v Speaker 1>head in a house across the street from the penitentiary

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<v Speaker 1>after returning home from a Department of Corrections Christmas party.

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<v Speaker 1>A new warden and a new state Director of Corrections

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<v Speaker 1>were hired, who saw to it that rehabilitation programs were improved.

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<v Speaker 1>Fresh food was provided, more shower rooms were constructed, and

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<v Speaker 1>recreation facilities including a handball cart and miniature golf course

0:14:24.520 --> 0:14:27.840
<v Speaker 1>were built for the inmates. While conditions did improve over

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<v Speaker 1>the years, one year in the nineteen seventies, the penitentiary

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<v Speaker 1>had thirteen inmate homicides. It said that overall, more than

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand people died inside the walls during the prisons operation.

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<v Speaker 1>After operating continuously for over one hundred sixty years, the

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<v Speaker 1>penitentiary closed in two thousand four and inmates were moved

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<v Speaker 1>to the nearby Jefferson City Correctional Center. Famous inmates over

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<v Speaker 1>the years include political activists Emma Goldman and Kate O'Hare,

0:14:55.280 --> 0:14:59.120
<v Speaker 1>boxer Sunny Liston Bank, Robbert, Pretty Boy Floyd, and Lee Shelton,

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<v Speaker 1>the inspiration for the folk song stagger. Lee list And

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<v Speaker 1>learned to box while incarcerated there, and his skills led

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<v Speaker 1>to him being granted early parole in nineteen fifty two.

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<v Speaker 1>Another prisoner, James Earl Ray, successfully escaped the penitentiary in

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<v Speaker 1>a bread truck in nineteen sixty seven. Just under a

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<v Speaker 1>year later, he would go on to assassinate Martin Luther

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<v Speaker 1>King Jr. An activist for the Socialist Party. O'Hara became

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<v Speaker 1>a prison reformer after her release. She also reported that

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<v Speaker 1>many of the women incarcerated with her in nineteen nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>to nineteen twenty turned to spiritualism. In letters home, O'Hara wrote,

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<v Speaker 1>these poor victims of society feel that God takes no

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<v Speaker 1>concern for them, and they are not strong enough to

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<v Speaker 1>stand alone. So they find comfort for their six souls

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<v Speaker 1>in the belief that they're dead. Comrades and misery come

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<v Speaker 1>back to care for and protect them. In the weary

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<v Speaker 1>hours after the lights are out. The cell house is

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<v Speaker 1>peopled by many ghosts, but they are all kindly, comfortable,

0:15:57.000 --> 0:16:00.360
<v Speaker 1>amiable ghosts who flit about all night on air of

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<v Speaker 1>mercy and love. She wasn't the only one talking about

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<v Speaker 1>ghosts inside the penitentiary. Even before the prison closed, guards

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<v Speaker 1>and inmates alike reported paranormal activity. Jamie Rasmussen wrote about

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<v Speaker 1>the hauntings in her book on the Missouri State Penitentiary.

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<v Speaker 1>When the prison still operated, She wrote, some guards reported

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<v Speaker 1>hearing footsteps after all the prisoners were in their cells.

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<v Speaker 1>When the guard would turn to look, he would see

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<v Speaker 1>a shadowy figure that looked like it was wrapped in

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<v Speaker 1>a blanket to keep warm. Others said Firebug Johnson still

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<v Speaker 1>walked the halls. One former guard who began working there

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen nine, told the News Tribune about an experience

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<v Speaker 1>he had while working in the penitentiary. During a routine

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<v Speaker 1>head count, the guard said he saw an inmate with

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<v Speaker 1>long blonde hair and a white T shirt walk out

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<v Speaker 1>a door. Thinking this inmate was trying to escape, the

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<v Speaker 1>guard frantically searched the grounds and a parked supply van,

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<v Speaker 1>but there was no sign of the man he had seen.

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<v Speaker 1>Then he noticed another inmate watching him. I shut the

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<v Speaker 1>doors and I'm like what, and he goes, you ain't

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<v Speaker 1>going to find that guy. I said, what are you

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<v Speaker 1>talking about? He said, I saw him. I said what

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<v Speaker 1>did he look like? And he said he had long

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<v Speaker 1>blonde hair and a white T shirt. He says, wells,

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<v Speaker 1>we ain't got nobody in this building that looks like that.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was just like, whoa, You're right. It felt

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<v Speaker 1>like somebody had just punched me in the chest. According

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<v Speaker 1>to a paranormal history of the prison by Kathy Wiser Alexander,

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<v Speaker 1>throughout the old facilities, people have heard cell doors slamming,

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<v Speaker 1>ghostly footsteps, loud banging, shadowy figures, the smell of cigarette smoke,

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<v Speaker 1>objects being mysteriously moved around and fast moving entities. They

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<v Speaker 1>also report having felt dread, a sense of sorrow, and

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<v Speaker 1>a feeling of being watched. According to another book about

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<v Speaker 1>hauntings in Missouri, one visitor saw the bloodied face of

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<v Speaker 1>a prisoner looking out from the third tier of cells

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<v Speaker 1>and asked to leave the tour. Apparitions of prisoners and

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<v Speaker 1>old fashioned dress, both male and female, have been reported,

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<v Speaker 1>as well as sightings of orbs and even of UFOs.

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<v Speaker 1>There have been many accounts of a woman wearing a

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<v Speaker 1>long gray skirt and gray, high collared blouse in the

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<v Speaker 1>women's prison area. Some have claimed to have sensed the

0:18:14.119 --> 0:18:17.679
<v Speaker 1>spirits of children and dogs. At least one child was

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<v Speaker 1>present at the prison for a time. According to the St.

0:18:20.240 --> 0:18:24.879
<v Speaker 1>Louis Post Dispatch, in a woman named Maddie Scott begged

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<v Speaker 1>a judge at her sentencing not to keep her away

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<v Speaker 1>from her four month old daughter. The judge allowed her

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<v Speaker 1>to take her child to the prison. A hall, the

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<v Speaker 1>oldest building on the site, is also said to be

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<v Speaker 1>the most haunted. Reports of activity here include visitors being

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<v Speaker 1>touched or scratched by unseen hands, the feeling of someone

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<v Speaker 1>breathing down your neck, disembodied voices, strong smells, shadow figures

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<v Speaker 1>walking between cells, apparitions and electronics acting up. In the

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<v Speaker 1>isolation cell where Walter Lee Donald was bludgeoned to death,

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<v Speaker 1>Number forty eight, visitors claim to have captured an apparition

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<v Speaker 1>of a man, as well as having strange feelings. A

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<v Speaker 1>spirit nicknamed fast Jack or occasionally Fast Harry, is said

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<v Speaker 1>to show up in the housing units and control room,

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<v Speaker 1>as well as the tunnels connecting the buildings. Though he

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<v Speaker 1>appears to be solid, even wearing a white lab coat

0:19:15.000 --> 0:19:18.520
<v Speaker 1>and carrying a clipboard, he's sometimes seen moving through walls.

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<v Speaker 1>Some believe that he once worked in the prisons medical facility,

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<v Speaker 1>possibly as an inmate whose job was to escort fellow

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<v Speaker 1>prisoners to and from the clinic. According to tour guide

0:19:28.520 --> 0:19:31.520
<v Speaker 1>Mary Lacy, he has been seen by many people, and

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<v Speaker 1>the description is always that he is walking quickly down

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<v Speaker 1>a hallway with his back to the person. According to

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<v Speaker 1>Kathy Wiser Alexander's Haunted History of the Prison, at one

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<v Speaker 1>point a tour guide passed through the control center to

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<v Speaker 1>secure the outer doors, only to return just a few

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<v Speaker 1>minutes later to find all the lockers had been opened.

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<v Speaker 1>This antic was attributed to fast Jack. It probably won't

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<v Speaker 1>surprise you to learn that the gas chamber is one

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<v Speaker 1>of the most haunted places on the grounds. Visitors report

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<v Speaker 1>hearing groans and cries in the spaces, as well as

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<v Speaker 1>women's whispers. Some claim that the ghost of Bonnie B. Hetty,

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<v Speaker 1>executed in nineteen fifty three, still lingers in the gas chamber.

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<v Speaker 1>Hetty was notoriously talkative until the end, telling the guards

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<v Speaker 1>who were tightening the straps on the gas chamber chair

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<v Speaker 1>what was variously reported as it's all right or it

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<v Speaker 1>is tight and I'm not going anywhere. She also said

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<v Speaker 1>goodbye to the prison guards and asked, hall, are you

0:20:25.960 --> 0:20:29.119
<v Speaker 1>all right, honey. Reporters noted that the two kept on

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<v Speaker 1>talking to each other even after the door to the

0:20:31.600 --> 0:20:36.359
<v Speaker 1>lethal chamber had been sealed. Paranormal investigator Dan Terry claims

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<v Speaker 1>to have made contact with the spirit of George tiny Mercer,

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<v Speaker 1>the last person to be executed in the gas chamber,

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<v Speaker 1>inside the space. To talk more about the hauntings at

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<v Speaker 1>Missouri State Pen, I have Diane Kitchell coming up next.

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<v Speaker 1>She has been a ghost tour guide there for years

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<v Speaker 1>and it's built up quite the rapport with the spirits there.

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<v Speaker 1>She has some downright terrifying experiences to share, so we'll

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<v Speaker 1>get to those after the break. I am now joined

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<v Speaker 1>by Diane Kitchel, who is a ghost tour guide at

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<v Speaker 1>Missouri State Penitentiary, and I have no doubt she has

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<v Speaker 1>no shortage of stories to tell us. So thanks for

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<v Speaker 1>joining us, Diane, thank you for having me. I appreciate

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<v Speaker 1>the APA, of course, you know so I am. I

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<v Speaker 1>have investigated Missouri State Penitentiary probably half a dozen times

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<v Speaker 1>over the years, and I have never been in there

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<v Speaker 1>and not had some sort of experience. I have experienced shadows,

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<v Speaker 1>I have experienced banging sounds, I have experienced the sounds

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<v Speaker 1>of doors sliding shut off in the distance. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just never ending. And so you must have the

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<v Speaker 1>most fun job ever, the best job on the planet. Indeed,

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<v Speaker 1>what would you say, is probably the paranormal report that

0:22:07.480 --> 0:22:11.159
<v Speaker 1>comes out of there more than anything else. Oh, a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people get their hair touched or pulled, especially

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<v Speaker 1>the pretty young blondes. That happens quite a lot. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>we do get scratches on some people saying things out

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<v Speaker 1>of the corner of their eye, good old peripheral vision.

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<v Speaker 1>There's not many places that I go into and I

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<v Speaker 1>feel scared or you know, but and I don't feel

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<v Speaker 1>scared at Missouri State, but I definitely do get sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like an anxious feeling or like always looking

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<v Speaker 1>over my shoulder. But also sometimes I just feel sad,

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<v Speaker 1>like I just feel like sadness. And so it must

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<v Speaker 1>be kind of interesting. I know that during the day

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<v Speaker 1>you guys have historical tours and then at night you

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<v Speaker 1>have the ghost tours. And so when people do the

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<v Speaker 1>ghost tours, what kind of experiences do they have? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>that runs the gamut you've had, you know, everything from

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<v Speaker 1>thinking they herod whispering or maybe got in touch to

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<v Speaker 1>seeing a full blown shadow figure. Are speakers as we

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<v Speaker 1>like to call them, Sometimes they sometimes they like to

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<v Speaker 1>lean out of the cells and just kind of check

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<v Speaker 1>you out and go agreet them again. You know, they

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<v Speaker 1>about back in that what would you say is maybe

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<v Speaker 1>the most compelling experience that you've had in Missouri State.

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<v Speaker 1>Somebody explained doppel gangers to me because they freaked me out.

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<v Speaker 1>Two years ago was the year of the doppel Ganger.

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<v Speaker 1>At MSP. I mean, we've we've gotten them once in

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<v Speaker 1>a while. We would hear something mimicking one of us,

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<v Speaker 1>or we would, you know, maybe once a year, once

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<v Speaker 1>every year and a half, we would see a double

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<v Speaker 1>of someone. But two years ago it was just bananas.

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<v Speaker 1>One guide saw me standing at the back of her

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<v Speaker 1>tour texting on my cell phone, and her daughter happened

0:24:10.640 --> 0:24:13.720
<v Speaker 1>to be working the tour as well, so she texted

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<v Speaker 1>her mother, who was working the gift shop, and said, wise,

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<v Speaker 1>Diane on this one's tour, and they go, She's not.

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<v Speaker 1>She's in the lobby starting her tour. That's bizarre. I

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<v Speaker 1>have seen them of our police officers. I think they

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<v Speaker 1>mimicked our police officers are security at night more often,

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<v Speaker 1>and my personal theory on it was that they were

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<v Speaker 1>mimicking them more so because unlike a guide who is

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<v Speaker 1>with one tour the entire night, the security kind of

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<v Speaker 1>pardon the term, floats between tours and they don't have

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<v Speaker 1>to be at a certain place at a certain time,

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<v Speaker 1>and they just freaked me out. You don't know you've

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<v Speaker 1>seen one until you see the real person somewhere where.

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<v Speaker 1>It's absolutely impossible for them to a band when you

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<v Speaker 1>just saw them, you know, over there. That's very strange,

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<v Speaker 1>because I mean, I've heard of doppelgangers and I've experienced

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<v Speaker 1>spirits mimicking like us, like our voices or our equipment,

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<v Speaker 1>but I've not heard of it being so prevalent in

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<v Speaker 1>one location. It makes me wonder, like, what's happening with

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<v Speaker 1>the energy there or what did they discover that they

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<v Speaker 1>could do that made them want to do that. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>that's at such an interesting and really odd report. And

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<v Speaker 1>not to mention that how many times did you interact

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<v Speaker 1>with a doppelganger and not realize it and think you

0:25:49.440 --> 0:25:51.800
<v Speaker 1>were interacting with that person? Like those are only the

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<v Speaker 1>times you notice, like how long has that been going on?

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<v Speaker 1>There is no interaction with a doppel ganger. We have

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<v Speaker 1>seen enough of them to know they've always got a

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<v Speaker 1>very blank, flat effect. There's no facial expression. Their face

0:26:09.520 --> 0:26:12.679
<v Speaker 1>is totally there. It's not weird looking or anything. It

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<v Speaker 1>looks exactly like that person. But they just you know,

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<v Speaker 1>show no no emotion, no anything. And they do seem

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<v Speaker 1>to kind of move a little bit differently. They don't walk,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, with that kind of up and down bob

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<v Speaker 1>like human beings do when they really walk. Well that

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<v Speaker 1>is super creepy. Yes, So you're saying that that was

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of years ago was happening all the time,

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<v Speaker 1>but now it seems like it's not happening as often. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>it's died back. But you know, I do like to

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<v Speaker 1>tell the stories on my tours. And when you've got,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, well over twenty people, if not over thirty

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<v Speaker 1>people in your tour group, who's to say there isn't

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<v Speaker 1>one sitting there listening to the tour because we don't

0:26:56.720 --> 0:26:59.119
<v Speaker 1>all know each other. We never saw each other until

0:26:59.160 --> 0:27:03.440
<v Speaker 1>them you walk through the doors. So that's really wild. Well,

0:27:03.880 --> 0:27:05.800
<v Speaker 1>I think I was there. Actually, I feel like I'm

0:27:05.800 --> 0:27:09.560
<v Speaker 1>trying to remember when we were shooting with Ghost Hunters there.

0:27:09.600 --> 0:27:11.680
<v Speaker 1>I want to I feel like it was a year ago.

0:27:11.800 --> 0:27:14.080
<v Speaker 1>I don't think it was two years ago, but I

0:27:14.119 --> 0:27:17.399
<v Speaker 1>don't feel like I remember hearing that. It would be funny, though,

0:27:17.400 --> 0:27:19.199
<v Speaker 1>if any of the Ghost Hunters team appeared to me

0:27:19.240 --> 0:27:23.800
<v Speaker 1>as a doppleganger, I just didn't know. Trying to imagine

0:27:23.960 --> 0:27:26.760
<v Speaker 1>I would know instantly because I know them all very well.

0:27:28.520 --> 0:27:32.399
<v Speaker 1>Doppelgangers check. That is really interesting. Now I had a

0:27:32.520 --> 0:27:34.919
<v Speaker 1>very nonpair. This is just a story. It's not paranormal,

0:27:34.960 --> 0:27:37.240
<v Speaker 1>but it did happen to me at Missouri State and

0:27:37.280 --> 0:27:39.479
<v Speaker 1>it's a story that Adam and I tell quite often.

0:27:40.040 --> 0:27:42.720
<v Speaker 1>We were filming there, it was like, oh gosh, it

0:27:42.760 --> 0:27:45.560
<v Speaker 1>was a summer years ago, and they were doing one

0:27:45.640 --> 0:27:47.960
<v Speaker 1>kind of one of those back of the van scenes,

0:27:48.400 --> 0:27:51.280
<v Speaker 1>and Adam and I were not partaking in that conversation,

0:27:51.320 --> 0:27:52.760
<v Speaker 1>so we were just kind of standing off to the

0:27:52.800 --> 0:27:57.200
<v Speaker 1>side and we hear this huge bang in the building

0:27:57.240 --> 0:27:59.879
<v Speaker 1>behind us, and so we're like, let's go. Like the

0:28:00.000 --> 0:28:01.879
<v Speaker 1>camera crew was busy, so we just grabbed a camera

0:28:02.040 --> 0:28:04.439
<v Speaker 1>and we went in by ourselves with the camera and

0:28:04.480 --> 0:28:07.240
<v Speaker 1>we go up the stairs and we're following this sound

0:28:07.840 --> 0:28:10.520
<v Speaker 1>and we keep getting closer and closer, and we're hearing

0:28:10.560 --> 0:28:13.280
<v Speaker 1>this like movement and I'm like, gosh, there's someone in here,

0:28:13.320 --> 0:28:15.199
<v Speaker 1>like and we get up to the top. You know.

0:28:15.240 --> 0:28:17.199
<v Speaker 1>It's like that first set of stairs that you go

0:28:17.200 --> 0:28:19.480
<v Speaker 1>in and they use that office area a lot now

0:28:19.520 --> 0:28:22.600
<v Speaker 1>for like crafty areas and um snacks and stuff. We

0:28:22.640 --> 0:28:25.359
<v Speaker 1>go past that and there's a garbage can at the

0:28:25.440 --> 0:28:28.000
<v Speaker 1>end of the hallway. We hear this and we we

0:28:28.080 --> 0:28:29.720
<v Speaker 1>get up to it. I'm like, it sounds like it's

0:28:29.760 --> 0:28:31.840
<v Speaker 1>coming from the garbage can. And so we get to

0:28:31.960 --> 0:28:35.800
<v Speaker 1>this can and I shine my flashlight in there, and

0:28:36.160 --> 0:28:41.240
<v Speaker 1>this raccoon that was like easily as big as a

0:28:41.360 --> 0:28:45.240
<v Speaker 1>large dog, was not like running away. It literally jumped

0:28:45.320 --> 0:28:48.640
<v Speaker 1>out at us like it was coming for us, like

0:28:48.720 --> 0:28:51.320
<v Speaker 1>it wanted to eat our We wanted to eat our

0:28:51.480 --> 0:28:55.480
<v Speaker 1>faces off. And so Adam and I we sprinted down

0:28:55.480 --> 0:28:58.959
<v Speaker 1>that hallway, we jumped, we cleared those stairs like and

0:28:59.080 --> 0:29:02.160
<v Speaker 1>that thing followed us and then it went up into

0:29:02.240 --> 0:29:05.120
<v Speaker 1>the ceiling. So all night when we would go in

0:29:05.160 --> 0:29:08.840
<v Speaker 1>to get crafty in the office there there's those like tiles.

0:29:09.320 --> 0:29:13.479
<v Speaker 1>It was just staring at everyone. So whenever people ask me, like,

0:29:13.520 --> 0:29:15.520
<v Speaker 1>what's one of the scariest things that ever happened to

0:29:15.520 --> 0:29:18.480
<v Speaker 1>me on an investigation, I tell them about the raccoon

0:29:18.560 --> 0:29:22.640
<v Speaker 1>that wanted to murder us at Missouri State Penitentiary. So

0:29:22.680 --> 0:29:24.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure you've encountered those many times. But the other

0:29:24.960 --> 0:29:28.400
<v Speaker 1>thing I encountered, though, that was less murderous but scary,

0:29:29.000 --> 0:29:33.560
<v Speaker 1>was the shadow figures. And they're tall shadow figures. How

0:29:33.600 --> 0:29:37.240
<v Speaker 1>often do you see those? Well, I would thank Missouri

0:29:37.280 --> 0:29:42.000
<v Speaker 1>State Penitentiary is maybe like other haunted places, it's not

0:29:42.200 --> 0:29:45.000
<v Speaker 1>you know, like on a timeline or anything. Sometimes you're

0:29:45.040 --> 0:29:47.000
<v Speaker 1>in there and it's just quiet as a church and

0:29:47.040 --> 0:29:52.800
<v Speaker 1>then sometimes the activities just off the rails, but shadow figure.

0:29:52.920 --> 0:29:56.120
<v Speaker 1>I know we see them weekly for sure. Yeah, And

0:29:56.160 --> 0:29:57.959
<v Speaker 1>like you were saying, you called them peakers, and they

0:29:58.040 --> 0:30:00.560
<v Speaker 1>do that thing where they kind of like looking to

0:30:00.600 --> 0:30:03.960
<v Speaker 1>see who's on patrol or something. I mean, I'm generalizing,

0:30:03.960 --> 0:30:06.240
<v Speaker 1>I'm basing that on what I feel might be happening,

0:30:06.280 --> 0:30:08.480
<v Speaker 1>But like you said, you'll see them kind of look

0:30:08.560 --> 0:30:13.920
<v Speaker 1>down at you down the hallway, and um, I just

0:30:14.040 --> 0:30:16.280
<v Speaker 1>it does seem like they're kind of trying to see

0:30:16.280 --> 0:30:19.200
<v Speaker 1>who's on duty at that moment. And now, what would

0:30:19.240 --> 0:30:22.440
<v Speaker 1>you say is probably the most haunted area where people

0:30:22.440 --> 0:30:27.520
<v Speaker 1>would experience the most activity if they go visit. Oh, well,

0:30:27.560 --> 0:30:32.840
<v Speaker 1>like I said, it can shift anywhere, but in general,

0:30:32.920 --> 0:30:37.000
<v Speaker 1>I would say the most reports either come from the

0:30:37.160 --> 0:30:42.480
<v Speaker 1>dungeon and Housing Unit four or the three D section,

0:30:42.680 --> 0:30:47.360
<v Speaker 1>which is administrative segregation below Death Row and Housing Unit three.

0:30:47.680 --> 0:30:50.360
<v Speaker 1>Last time we had been there, I do feel like

0:30:50.400 --> 0:30:55.640
<v Speaker 1>they had unearthed some very old cells. Have you had

0:30:55.680 --> 0:30:59.000
<v Speaker 1>any activity around those or did anything pick up when

0:30:59.160 --> 0:31:02.600
<v Speaker 1>they have dug those out? I think it might have

0:31:02.680 --> 0:31:06.520
<v Speaker 1>picked up just a little bit when we first opened

0:31:06.560 --> 0:31:09.600
<v Speaker 1>them to the public got them all finished, But then

0:31:09.800 --> 0:31:13.600
<v Speaker 1>it's kinda died back down again. Maybe so, I don't know,

0:31:13.640 --> 0:31:18.240
<v Speaker 1>maybe they welcomed the new guys in and yeah, I

0:31:18.240 --> 0:31:21.200
<v Speaker 1>mean it is really strange because they're just they were

0:31:21.240 --> 0:31:23.719
<v Speaker 1>just there that whole time, and it just kind of

0:31:23.760 --> 0:31:26.320
<v Speaker 1>goes to show how far back the history goes there.

0:31:26.600 --> 0:31:29.400
<v Speaker 1>Now another area that I have a real problem with,

0:31:29.560 --> 0:31:31.560
<v Speaker 1>and I don't even think I went in there last time,

0:31:31.600 --> 0:31:33.720
<v Speaker 1>because the first time I went in there, I couldn't

0:31:33.720 --> 0:31:37.520
<v Speaker 1>stand it is the gas chamber, and I've distinctly heard

0:31:37.560 --> 0:31:39.959
<v Speaker 1>whispers in there, but I don't know if it's just

0:31:40.120 --> 0:31:43.640
<v Speaker 1>the energy of what went on there or what. But

0:31:43.840 --> 0:31:46.280
<v Speaker 1>do you include that in your tour? Do people get

0:31:46.320 --> 0:31:48.840
<v Speaker 1>to go in there? Oh? Yes, Oh yes, that's the

0:31:49.480 --> 0:31:52.400
<v Speaker 1>usually the last half hour of the two hour tour

0:31:52.520 --> 0:31:55.880
<v Speaker 1>would be going down to the gas chamber. Have you

0:31:55.920 --> 0:32:01.160
<v Speaker 1>had experiences there? I'm myself really they have not. That's

0:32:01.160 --> 0:32:04.560
<v Speaker 1>always been a very quiet place for me. Now. Wait,

0:32:04.640 --> 0:32:09.560
<v Speaker 1>I did have one, uh, not very long ago. It

0:32:09.720 --> 0:32:14.360
<v Speaker 1>was a private group and they were there were three guys,

0:32:15.080 --> 0:32:21.680
<v Speaker 1>two gals, and they were live casting to Facebook and

0:32:21.880 --> 0:32:24.200
<v Speaker 1>we were in the gas chamber and one man was

0:32:24.240 --> 0:32:28.680
<v Speaker 1>sitting in Carl's chair, the other man was sitting in

0:32:28.800 --> 0:32:32.440
<v Speaker 1>Bonnie's chair. Bonnie Brown Hetty and Carl Austin Hall but

0:32:32.520 --> 0:32:36.840
<v Speaker 1>were executed together, and you know, they were kind of

0:32:36.880 --> 0:32:40.680
<v Speaker 1>asking Carl and Bonnie related questions and I was just

0:32:40.720 --> 0:32:43.480
<v Speaker 1>standing there watching and listening. And of course these guys

0:32:43.880 --> 0:32:46.840
<v Speaker 1>were both in the chairs doing the Stes method. I

0:32:46.920 --> 0:32:49.680
<v Speaker 1>might have forgot to mention that, but they both both

0:32:49.720 --> 0:32:55.120
<v Speaker 1>had on blindfolds and the noise canceling headphones and d

0:32:55.320 --> 0:32:57.840
<v Speaker 1>S B seven's and the guy that was sitting in

0:32:58.520 --> 0:33:01.920
<v Speaker 1>Carl's chair just kept kind of making these faces and

0:33:01.960 --> 0:33:05.760
<v Speaker 1>he wasn't, you know, spitting out any words. And finally

0:33:05.800 --> 0:33:07.920
<v Speaker 1>he just said, well, this is me, and he said,

0:33:08.120 --> 0:33:11.400
<v Speaker 1>I'm not hearing a single syllable, but I am just

0:33:11.480 --> 0:33:16.520
<v Speaker 1>getting these waves of emotions. And so the guy next

0:33:16.520 --> 0:33:19.640
<v Speaker 1>to him that was sitting in Bonnie's chair, he'd spit

0:33:19.720 --> 0:33:22.840
<v Speaker 1>out a word, you know, random words, and some of

0:33:22.840 --> 0:33:26.560
<v Speaker 1>the more relevance some weren't. But I'm not that fond

0:33:26.560 --> 0:33:30.720
<v Speaker 1>of Bonnie for many reasons, and she probably knows it.

0:33:30.840 --> 0:33:37.080
<v Speaker 1>But um, he said something that was very pertinent, something

0:33:37.120 --> 0:33:39.400
<v Speaker 1>that I had just mentioned in a story to them

0:33:39.400 --> 0:33:42.600
<v Speaker 1>as I was taking them down the hill and I

0:33:43.240 --> 0:33:46.280
<v Speaker 1>looked at him. It just came out. I said, oh,

0:33:46.440 --> 0:33:51.240
<v Speaker 1>you bitch, because I knew who was speaking, and his

0:33:51.600 --> 0:33:57.480
<v Speaker 1>face turned towards mine. He couldn't see me. His face

0:33:57.600 --> 0:34:02.960
<v Speaker 1>turned towards me, and he says, I know you. That's

0:34:03.000 --> 0:34:06.560
<v Speaker 1>one of my favorite methods of communicating is doing that

0:34:06.720 --> 0:34:09.920
<v Speaker 1>the SS method, the spirit box experiment that we do

0:34:10.000 --> 0:34:13.400
<v Speaker 1>on Kindred a lot, and that's actually really fascinating to

0:34:13.440 --> 0:34:16.919
<v Speaker 1>do it in the gas chamber and have them both

0:34:16.960 --> 0:34:18.640
<v Speaker 1>go under like that. Adam and I've done that a

0:34:18.640 --> 0:34:21.719
<v Speaker 1>few times. It's always very interesting. But that's just concerting.

0:34:21.719 --> 0:34:24.479
<v Speaker 1>It's bizarre that she knows you that. Well, oh well,

0:34:24.680 --> 0:34:27.160
<v Speaker 1>we call the guys are co workers because we're in

0:34:27.200 --> 0:34:29.839
<v Speaker 1>there all the time, you know. We we do treat

0:34:29.920 --> 0:34:32.760
<v Speaker 1>them with respect that that people probably think I'm nuts,

0:34:32.840 --> 0:34:35.760
<v Speaker 1>But you know, when I go in there and unlock,

0:34:35.880 --> 0:34:38.359
<v Speaker 1>and I'm the first one on the property and I'm

0:34:38.440 --> 0:34:43.000
<v Speaker 1>unlocking buildings, I'll open the door and say, hey, fellas,

0:34:43.040 --> 0:34:45.520
<v Speaker 1>good evening. You know we're going to have so many

0:34:45.600 --> 0:34:48.239
<v Speaker 1>tours through or tonight and be out of your hair

0:34:48.320 --> 0:34:50.880
<v Speaker 1>at this time of day. And I mean that's smart

0:34:51.000 --> 0:34:53.440
<v Speaker 1>because you want to set the expectation, so they know,

0:34:53.600 --> 0:34:56.799
<v Speaker 1>because they could get more volatile if you don't, you know,

0:34:56.880 --> 0:34:59.520
<v Speaker 1>give them those expectations as you begin. And you know,

0:34:59.560 --> 0:35:02.400
<v Speaker 1>speaking of that, you said that sometimes people get scratched.

0:35:02.480 --> 0:35:04.560
<v Speaker 1>What leads to that? Why do you think certain people

0:35:04.600 --> 0:35:09.800
<v Speaker 1>get scratched there? I really don't know, because it's a mix.

0:35:10.000 --> 0:35:14.600
<v Speaker 1>It's it's males and female. I can't say it's one

0:35:14.680 --> 0:35:20.000
<v Speaker 1>age group or another, but it's nine percent of the

0:35:20.040 --> 0:35:22.799
<v Speaker 1>time it happens in that dungeon. Now, remind me where

0:35:22.840 --> 0:35:24.960
<v Speaker 1>the dungeons. I think I know where it is. I

0:35:25.000 --> 0:35:27.960
<v Speaker 1>think it's it's downstairs and housing at four in the

0:35:28.040 --> 0:35:32.560
<v Speaker 1>oldest building. Yes, yes, all right, I think Adam and

0:35:32.600 --> 0:35:34.560
<v Speaker 1>I went down there last time we were there. You

0:35:34.680 --> 0:35:38.719
<v Speaker 1>have to walk through the shower room and there's a doorway. Yeah,

0:35:38.800 --> 0:35:41.799
<v Speaker 1>that opens up into that section. Yeah, that's a real

0:35:41.880 --> 0:35:47.080
<v Speaker 1>wild area. We saw some lights down with light anomalies.

0:35:47.640 --> 0:35:49.640
<v Speaker 1>So is that something that people see often? Because I

0:35:49.800 --> 0:35:51.400
<v Speaker 1>don't think they even told us about it. I just

0:35:51.440 --> 0:35:54.080
<v Speaker 1>happened to see it. Yep. They look like little twinkly

0:35:54.280 --> 0:35:57.360
<v Speaker 1>Christmas lights. Yes, I've seen that one other time on

0:35:57.400 --> 0:36:00.200
<v Speaker 1>the USS Salem. But these ones, the ones I saw

0:36:00.280 --> 0:36:03.120
<v Speaker 1>down there. It was almost like a green kind of glowing.

0:36:03.280 --> 0:36:05.440
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it wasn't a firefly, clearly. It was like

0:36:05.480 --> 0:36:09.520
<v Speaker 1>this kind of like green glowing little orb or something.

0:36:09.640 --> 0:36:11.759
<v Speaker 1>And I was like, am I'm seeing things right now?

0:36:12.080 --> 0:36:15.200
<v Speaker 1>Another of the guides. Once in a while, when we

0:36:15.280 --> 0:36:17.640
<v Speaker 1>go down there, it's a dernist thing. And I've even

0:36:17.640 --> 0:36:20.439
<v Speaker 1>talked to eye doctors trying to, you know, figure out

0:36:20.440 --> 0:36:23.799
<v Speaker 1>the physiology of the eyeball or something. But we will

0:36:23.840 --> 0:36:26.640
<v Speaker 1>go down there and and shut out the light, you know,

0:36:26.760 --> 0:36:30.720
<v Speaker 1>pitch black, but we will start seeing this red glow

0:36:31.680 --> 0:36:33.799
<v Speaker 1>and we can't figure out where it's coming from or

0:36:33.840 --> 0:36:37.680
<v Speaker 1>what's causing it. That's bizarre. I haven't experienced that either.

0:36:38.080 --> 0:36:40.360
<v Speaker 1>I feel like the energy at Missouri State is just

0:36:40.520 --> 0:36:43.800
<v Speaker 1>so different, like than what you would experience at most places,

0:36:43.800 --> 0:36:46.520
<v Speaker 1>and you can feel that when you're there. Now, wasn't

0:36:46.560 --> 0:36:52.200
<v Speaker 1>it recently struck by a tornado? Yes? May, it was

0:36:52.239 --> 0:36:56.560
<v Speaker 1>actually the eighth anniversary of the Joplin, Missouri tornado, which

0:36:56.640 --> 0:37:00.520
<v Speaker 1>was horrible and devastating. But yeah, took off the back

0:37:00.600 --> 0:37:03.120
<v Speaker 1>third of the roof of housing unit for which we

0:37:03.239 --> 0:37:08.200
<v Speaker 1>now finally, thankfully have gotten replaced. And she's undercover again

0:37:08.280 --> 0:37:12.080
<v Speaker 1>and everybody's happy. I remember that area being really wild too,

0:37:12.080 --> 0:37:14.440
<v Speaker 1>because you can stand up on the top and just

0:37:14.520 --> 0:37:18.839
<v Speaker 1>kind of look down over the entire space, and it's

0:37:18.840 --> 0:37:21.640
<v Speaker 1>a really great vantage point as an investigator if you're

0:37:21.680 --> 0:37:24.840
<v Speaker 1>looking for movement or a great spot to put up camera.

0:37:25.480 --> 0:37:27.440
<v Speaker 1>So have you been able to reopen it now for

0:37:27.520 --> 0:37:29.640
<v Speaker 1>tours because it wasn't open when we were there filming

0:37:29.719 --> 0:37:33.799
<v Speaker 1>last We're open on the flag walk, which is the

0:37:33.840 --> 0:37:37.200
<v Speaker 1>main walk, and then down to the shower room and

0:37:37.239 --> 0:37:40.720
<v Speaker 1>the dungeon cells, but the upper, second, third, and fourth

0:37:40.760 --> 0:37:44.239
<v Speaker 1>tears we do not have open yet. We've got to

0:37:44.280 --> 0:37:46.879
<v Speaker 1>do quite a lot of clean up up there yet.

0:37:47.280 --> 0:37:50.000
<v Speaker 1>We'll we'll get it done. But it's it's the process.

0:37:50.320 --> 0:37:52.560
<v Speaker 1>It's a testament to you guys, because I know people

0:37:52.640 --> 0:37:55.640
<v Speaker 1>work so hard that you have so many wonderful volunteers,

0:37:55.680 --> 0:37:57.840
<v Speaker 1>and I love that so many of the people involved

0:37:57.840 --> 0:38:03.000
<v Speaker 1>are former employees of the building or or former former

0:38:03.040 --> 0:38:07.000
<v Speaker 1>correctional officers, and it really just kind of goes to

0:38:07.080 --> 0:38:10.200
<v Speaker 1>show like the level of love and that everyone has

0:38:10.280 --> 0:38:13.200
<v Speaker 1>for the history there, which I think is very important

0:38:13.239 --> 0:38:15.560
<v Speaker 1>that people know about when the tornado happened. Did you

0:38:15.680 --> 0:38:18.720
<v Speaker 1>think that that kind of did anything activity or energy

0:38:18.760 --> 0:38:23.200
<v Speaker 1>wise to the buildings. We kind of wondered. We went, oh,

0:38:23.320 --> 0:38:26.520
<v Speaker 1>it was within two or three days I know, of

0:38:26.600 --> 0:38:30.160
<v Speaker 1>the tornado happening. It was of course lockdown. Nobody was

0:38:30.200 --> 0:38:34.200
<v Speaker 1>going in and we were just, of course devastated. You

0:38:34.280 --> 0:38:36.920
<v Speaker 1>just fold our rug out from underneath us, and so

0:38:37.440 --> 0:38:40.600
<v Speaker 1>a couple of us went to the front steps we

0:38:40.640 --> 0:38:46.960
<v Speaker 1>could access those and took a SB seven and we

0:38:46.960 --> 0:38:51.800
<v Speaker 1>were asking that, are you guys okay, everybody's still here.

0:38:52.800 --> 0:38:55.120
<v Speaker 1>We're sorry, we can't get in there. We're going to

0:38:55.200 --> 0:38:57.319
<v Speaker 1>get you know, get in there as soon as we can.

0:38:57.520 --> 0:39:00.480
<v Speaker 1>Is everybody okay? And one thing that came with so

0:39:00.640 --> 0:39:04.800
<v Speaker 1>it's very clear it said windy. With that in mind,

0:39:04.840 --> 0:39:07.480
<v Speaker 1>like the way that you talk to them, in your experience,

0:39:07.480 --> 0:39:11.919
<v Speaker 1>in your opinion, why do you think these spirits are

0:39:12.000 --> 0:39:16.239
<v Speaker 1>remaining there? Of all places? I get asked that on

0:39:16.280 --> 0:39:19.480
<v Speaker 1>the tours, and it's like people don't think about it.

0:39:19.520 --> 0:39:22.359
<v Speaker 1>When you think of a penitentiary, you think, oh, bad place,

0:39:22.440 --> 0:39:26.120
<v Speaker 1>don't want to go there. But one of our famous inmates,

0:39:26.280 --> 0:39:31.320
<v Speaker 1>Sunny Liston, used to chastise other inmates when he would

0:39:31.320 --> 0:39:34.759
<v Speaker 1>hear them, you know, complaining about the situation or their

0:39:34.800 --> 0:39:37.240
<v Speaker 1>conditions or all this stuff, And he said, you guys

0:39:37.280 --> 0:39:42.920
<v Speaker 1>have absolutely nothing to complain about. You have clothes, you

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<v Speaker 1>have shoes, you have a bed to sleep in, you

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<v Speaker 1>get meals, you have a job, you have a roof

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<v Speaker 1>over your head. No, and I think this place was

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<v Speaker 1>just the best home some of these men ever had.

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<v Speaker 1>That makes me sad. Yeah, I have her still worries

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<v Speaker 1>of you know, when people leave or released that there's

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<v Speaker 1>just such this kind of routine and semblance of normalcies.

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<v Speaker 1>What happens when eventually, as they're in there for years,

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<v Speaker 1>and like you said, some of them just come from

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<v Speaker 1>very broken situations and then they're just released into the world,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, there is not that routine to guide

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<v Speaker 1>them anymore. There are repeat offenders that that get out

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<v Speaker 1>and do something just to get back in because they

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<v Speaker 1>cannot hand a little the outside. Yeah, I mean I

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<v Speaker 1>never thought of it that way. I've also I've always

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<v Speaker 1>wondered too if there were some people that just kind

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<v Speaker 1>of had this self imposed sentence, like they just felt

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<v Speaker 1>as though they hadn't completed their time. And I think

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<v Speaker 1>that's true because you know, we're using the voice box

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<v Speaker 1>or whatever apparatus to get them to speak to us sometimes. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>that really makes me sad to when you get into

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<v Speaker 1>one of those little conversations with them and it's like, no,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I can't, I did this, or I hurt

0:41:03.320 --> 0:41:06.479
<v Speaker 1>somebody or something like. You know. Well, I tell people

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<v Speaker 1>all the time when they investigate prisons, in particular, I

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<v Speaker 1>tell them to cast their judgment aside, because you don't

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<v Speaker 1>know who you're talking to. You don't know how they

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<v Speaker 1>got there, why they are there, some of the reasons

0:41:18.600 --> 0:41:22.680
<v Speaker 1>people were incarcerated, you know, especially way back when we're

0:41:22.719 --> 0:41:25.040
<v Speaker 1>not things you would be incarcerated for now. You know,

0:41:25.120 --> 0:41:27.759
<v Speaker 1>we're talking about like, you know, owing two or three

0:41:27.800 --> 0:41:29.840
<v Speaker 1>dollars in taxes or something, you know, and so you

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<v Speaker 1>don't know who you're talking to, how they ended up there,

0:41:32.800 --> 0:41:35.239
<v Speaker 1>why they're there. So I always tell them to start

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<v Speaker 1>their investigations in prisons from a place of compassion and kindness.

0:41:41.040 --> 0:41:43.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm telling about you know, what do they like to eat?

0:41:43.600 --> 0:41:47.440
<v Speaker 1>How do they like their steak? Cook, do they like broccoli? Whatever?

0:41:47.640 --> 0:41:50.440
<v Speaker 1>Other stuff like that. Do not go into a penitentiary

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<v Speaker 1>to investigate and say what do you do to get

0:41:53.160 --> 0:41:56.680
<v Speaker 1>in here? That's none of your business, and you'd have

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<v Speaker 1>been punched in the face at the very least, if

0:41:59.360 --> 0:42:02.080
<v Speaker 1>you were in a reopened a tentury and walked up

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<v Speaker 1>to somebody and asked that you don't do that. No,

0:42:04.760 --> 0:42:07.880
<v Speaker 1>that's very true, you know, and that's great insight for

0:42:07.960 --> 0:42:11.000
<v Speaker 1>people who do who do want to investigate those places.

0:42:11.040 --> 0:42:13.280
<v Speaker 1>I mean, now, if something comes at me and pushes

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<v Speaker 1>me or something, now that's a different story. And you know,

0:42:16.400 --> 0:42:18.800
<v Speaker 1>my mom amy voice is going to come out. I

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<v Speaker 1>had to come out Friday night. Oh what happened? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>it was really interesting. We had about a dozen people.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a private tour, and myself and another guide.

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<v Speaker 1>He suggested we take them down the creepy down three D.

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<v Speaker 1>So we go down there and just get to the

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<v Speaker 1>bottom of the steps and we're sitting in the window sills,

0:42:39.719 --> 0:42:42.640
<v Speaker 1>and he had everybody turn out all their lights, you know,

0:42:43.040 --> 0:42:46.719
<v Speaker 1>just any bare minimum of ambient light that came through.

0:42:46.800 --> 0:42:50.640
<v Speaker 1>It's pretty dark. Yeah, but in that darkness I could

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<v Speaker 1>see in my peripheral vision, I could see three or

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<v Speaker 1>four figures, shadow figures moving between me and the door.

0:42:59.760 --> 0:43:02.600
<v Speaker 1>And then I said, you know, one got a little close,

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<v Speaker 1>and I said, okay, And then a man that was

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<v Speaker 1>standing not far from me. He said, are you saying

0:43:07.960 --> 0:43:11.160
<v Speaker 1>shadows over there? I said yes, thank you, okay, validation.

0:43:11.280 --> 0:43:13.320
<v Speaker 1>It was like I could see their feet and it

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<v Speaker 1>was like at my two o'clock position, and I was like,

0:43:16.280 --> 0:43:19.759
<v Speaker 1>that is so close enough. I said, you stop right there.

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<v Speaker 1>You do not have permission to mess with me. I

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<v Speaker 1>will not tolerate it. You need to back up. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>you got to talk to them like there's someone in

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<v Speaker 1>front of you invading your personal space, you know, like

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<v Speaker 1>a live person. Do you have to create those boundaries?

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<v Speaker 1>So well, I think you've given some great advice to

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<v Speaker 1>investigators today. Now, if people want to visit Missouri State

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<v Speaker 1>investigate support it. What do they need to do? They

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<v Speaker 1>need to go to the website Missouri pen tours dot

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<v Speaker 1>com all spelled out and click on the tours. We

0:43:53.480 --> 0:43:55.920
<v Speaker 1>have history tours during the day, we have the ghost

0:43:56.000 --> 0:43:59.840
<v Speaker 1>tours in the evenings, and uh, we'd love to have you.

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<v Speaker 1>We've had people worldwide and we love meeting new people

0:44:03.600 --> 0:44:07.680
<v Speaker 1>and introducing them to our favorite place. Well, I really

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<v Speaker 1>appreciate you taking the time to chat with me. And

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<v Speaker 1>as I've said to everyone, please go support this wonderful place.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a really important piece of history, and it just

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<v Speaker 1>happens to be amazingly haunted as well. So thank you

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<v Speaker 1>so much, Diane. I appreciate it. Thank you, am I

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<v Speaker 1>appreciate it. Of course, I've probably investigated Missouri State Penitentiary

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<v Speaker 1>half a dozen times at this point. It never disappoints

0:44:42.600 --> 0:44:45.799
<v Speaker 1>when it comes to activity, but I've definitely moved from

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<v Speaker 1>viewing it as a place to get scared and more

0:44:48.600 --> 0:44:51.080
<v Speaker 1>of a place to interact with the spirits with a

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<v Speaker 1>goal in mind. That goal to find out who they are, specifically,

0:44:55.440 --> 0:44:58.200
<v Speaker 1>why they're there, and what, if anything, we can do

0:44:58.360 --> 0:45:02.359
<v Speaker 1>for them. It's an important place historically and paranormal wise,

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<v Speaker 1>and something tells me that in the spirit world those

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<v Speaker 1>seemingly quiet cellblocks are just as busy and bustling as

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<v Speaker 1>they were when it was an operation. I highly recommend

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<v Speaker 1>seeing it for yourself, and I won't even judge you

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<v Speaker 1>if you choose to do a daytime tour instead of

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<v Speaker 1>visiting after the sun goes down. I'm Amy Bruney and

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<v Speaker 1>this was Haunted Road. Haunted Road is a production of

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<v Speaker 1>Haunted Road is hosted and written by me Amy Bruney,

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