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Speaker 1: Why this car is automatic, it's systematic, it's a dramatic.

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Speaker 2: Why it's greased lightning.

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Speaker 3: Everybody's got a Mustang story running inning the card Doctor

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Speaker 3: here Ford Mustang sixty years is coming out in a

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Speaker 3: couple of weeks. October twenty second, I believe, is the

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Speaker 3: release state. It comes to us by way of Donald

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Speaker 3: far courtesy of Motor Books, a division of the Quarto Group,

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Speaker 3: and Donald is here with us today to talk about

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Speaker 3: it and tell us his Mustang story as well as

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Speaker 3: some of the intimate details of why Ford Mustang. Donald,

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Speaker 3: Welcome to the car, doctor sir.

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Speaker 1: Happy to have you.

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Speaker 2: Oh, thank you for having me.

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Speaker 3: You know, everybody's got a Mustang story. You know, I

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Speaker 3: got to tell you my Mustang story.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 3: So, my father had a friend, Seymour, now my father

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Speaker 3: and Seymour. They were two aircraft mechanics during the Second

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Speaker 3: World War. They worked out at the New York Airport's

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Speaker 3: working on aircraft for American Airline than the government during

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Speaker 3: the war. And they were mechanics at heart, and so

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Speaker 3: they were always tinkerers, right and uncle sem where they

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Speaker 3: were like Ralph and Norton of their day. You know,

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Speaker 3: these two Brooklyn kids and you know, Seymour came to

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Speaker 3: the house one day when I was a little kid,

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Speaker 3: I must have been nine or ten years old, with

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Speaker 3: a Brandy spanken New sixty four and a half. Right,

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Speaker 3: was the first year for Mustang.

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Speaker 2: Yees yeah, correct, right, yeah.

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Speaker 1: And I can still see it.

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Speaker 3: Yellow convertible, brown interior. And Dad wasn't home and he

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Speaker 3: had to show somebody, so he had to take me

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Speaker 3: out for a ride in the Mustang. Uncle Seymour, what's

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Speaker 3: so great about this? Watch this, Ronnie, and we you know,

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Speaker 3: went down the highway and ate floor it and he'd

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Speaker 3: be like, giddy up, giddy. I never saw a forty

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Speaker 3: year old man turn into such a kid driving a

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Speaker 3: car as I did him driving that convertible Mustang. And

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Speaker 3: I think everybody's got a Mustang story.

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Speaker 2: Like that, right, exactly, their Mustang stories. Everybody relates to

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Speaker 2: a Mustang, whether it was a neighbor or a father

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Speaker 2: of grandfather, a friend in high school. Yes.

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Speaker 3: Now, now, the Mustang was the original pony car, correct,

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Speaker 3: I mean, and it created that category, right, there wasn't

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Speaker 3: a America didn't have a pony car category until the

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Speaker 3: Mustang came.

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Speaker 2: Along, Right, Yeah, that's why they named it a pony car.

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Speaker 2: I'm not even sure what a Camaro was, but a

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Speaker 2: pony car fit right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, and I think Camaro sort of came along

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Speaker 3: because it was always Mustang versus Camaro, right the way

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Speaker 3: I remember it. But you know, the Mustang was the first.

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Speaker 1: And you know what made it so unique? What do

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Speaker 2: Well, it was, interestingly enough, it was. It started out

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Speaker 2: on a Falcon and Leiah Cooca and a group of

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Speaker 2: other executives at Ford Motor Company in the early sixties

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Speaker 2: wanted saw the Baby Boom generation coming of age in

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Speaker 2: the mid sixties with driver's license, so they wanted to

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Speaker 2: create a new car. And when Henry Ford the second

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Speaker 2: wouldn't give them the money to develop a totally new car,

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Speaker 2: they developed it on the Falcon, so they had the chassis,

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Speaker 2: the suspension, the engine. So they came up with a

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Speaker 2: new body and it was very Italian looking with an

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Speaker 2: open grill, the headlights, set back, long hood, short rear deck.

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Speaker 2: It was just sporty looking and sexy and looked like

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Speaker 2: it was going fast sitting still, and so much better

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Speaker 2: than the Valiants or Falcon compacts of the day, and

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Speaker 2: Ford sold over a million in the first couple of years.

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Speaker 1: Did it? You know? Do you know if you know

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Speaker 1: what did they expect to sell? I get?

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Speaker 3: I mean, I guess it met expectations, right, because they

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Speaker 3: kept it rolling for how many years to still rolling today? Correct?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Sixty years later? Y?

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Speaker 3: You know, so I guess I guess it met sales expectations.

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Speaker 3: Were the first cars were the early cars performance driven

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Speaker 2: Well, it was six cylinders and two sixties at first,

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Speaker 2: fair Lane in it, and that gave it two hundred

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Speaker 2: and seventy one horse power, and by the time the

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Speaker 2: nineteen sixty five models rolled along, the tow eighty nine

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Speaker 2: was was the main engine. And then of course Carol

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Speaker 2: Shelby took it and made it a totally different animal

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And I guess I guess everything's timing right, you know.

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Speaker 3: Carol Shelby came along, and I mean Carol Shelby called

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Speaker 3: it the Secretary's car, right, I remember exactly.

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Speaker 2: He didn't really he didn't want to take on the

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Speaker 2: forties at Lama, and he had the Daytona coops. He

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Speaker 2: malligate them for racing. So yeah, he didn't want to

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Speaker 2: do it at first, but when Leiahkoco came calling and

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Speaker 3: You've written this book and we're here listeners talking about

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Speaker 3: Ford Mustang sixty Years and it's the officially licensed history

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Speaker 3: of the Mustang. Correct.

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Speaker 1: Ford gave you their blessing to put this together.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean, let's back up a little bit

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Speaker 2: on that. Ten years ago. I did a book called

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Speaker 2: Mustang fifty Years and that was really also licensed by Ford,

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Speaker 2: and that was kind of the general history of the Mustang.

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Speaker 2: So when Motor Books approached me about Mustang sixty Years,

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Speaker 2: I didn't really want to rewrite that book as a

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Speaker 2: history book, and I suggested that we do a book

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Speaker 2: of stories. And I've been in been writing about Mustangs

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Speaker 2: for over forty years at magazines and books and often

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Speaker 2: I would think about these stories that I wrote about

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Speaker 2: and I said, well, why don't we do sixty stories

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Speaker 2: for sixty years and cover all seven Mustang generations? And

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Speaker 2: motorbooks liked it. I think the idea of stories is

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Speaker 3: So what you're saying is, if we're reading this book,

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Speaker 3: we're basically going to be like it's like sitting at

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Speaker 3: a car show where everybody's talking about their favorite Mustang

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Speaker 3: or car story, but in this case, it'll be about

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Speaker 3: a Mustang. And you know how I got mine and

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Speaker 3: what I did with mine, and I went to high

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Speaker 1: Is it that kind of a stuff?

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Speaker 2: Donald, Well, it's a little deeper than that, because all

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Speaker 2: of these stories are somehow significant and important to the

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Speaker 2: Mustang history. Like a gentleman at Ford designed Overnight after

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Speaker 2: he was asked by his boss to draw a sketch

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Speaker 2: it soon became a clay that Leiah Coca liked, and

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Speaker 2: pretty much from that sketch came the Mustang.

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Speaker 1: Can you imagine? Can you imagine the world?

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Speaker 3: If Leiah Coca hadn't backed that Mustang, it wouldn't have

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Speaker 3: been built because Leiah Cooca had the power at that time.

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Speaker 2: Correct, Yeah, but he had to use that power or

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Speaker 2: his influence with Henry Ford because Henry Ford was still

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Speaker 2: kind of smarting from the Edsel and did not want

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Speaker 2: him maybe another dud. But he finally relented Leiahcoca's enthusiasm

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and that first design stuck around. When did it

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Speaker 3: change sixty eight sixty nine?

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Speaker 2: got bigger for sixty nine to seventy. But the interesting

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Speaker 2: thing is is that to this day, the twenty twenty

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Speaker 3: Five Mustangs really like, yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, the grill opening, the long hood, short deck, the

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Speaker 2: Cybe sculpturing, just so many things that so are relatable

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and then it just never changed. And then you

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Speaker 2: Real will drive two door four seat with the trump same.

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Speaker 3: Thing, yeah, same thing. You know, you think about the

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Speaker 3: way it's been, you know, shown in movies. Right, who

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Speaker 3: doesn't remember the chase scene from Bullet. I mean probably

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Speaker 3: And you know there was a Dodge charger in that scene, right,

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Speaker 3: Nobody ever talks about the Dodge charger, right, Not that

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Speaker 3: I don't like Dodge chargers, but that Mustang is what

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Speaker 3: they always refer to everybody because you see, you know,

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Speaker 3: Steve McQueen and the Mustang.

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Speaker 2: It's and that's one of the stories in my book

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Speaker 2: really about that Bullet Mustang, which not only how it

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Speaker 2: came to be that that Ford got involved and provided

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Speaker 2: a couple of cars for the filming and Steve seleinef

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Speaker 2: sorry it's teeth, Steve McQueen rhymes. Anyway, Steve McQueen drove

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Speaker 2: like the cars just disappeared and the Mustang community always

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Speaker 2: wondered what happened to those two cars. And it was

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Speaker 2: only not many few years ago that had a writer

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Speaker 2: write a story from me. He had actually come in

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was New Jersey. Donald, tell you what.

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Speaker 3: Let's pull over, take the pause, Let's leave the listeners

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Speaker 3: hanging right. There's let's finish this on the other side

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Speaker 3: of the break. I'm running ending of the car Doctor

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Speaker 3: here with Donald Farr talking about Ford Mustang sixty years

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Speaker 3: and we'll both be back right after this.

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Speaker 1: Don't go away, and we are back in the car

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Speaker 1: Doctor with Donald Carr. Donald has written Ford Mustang sixty years. Donald.

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Speaker 3: When we pulled away for the pause, we were talking,

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Speaker 3: or you were actually relaying to us the story of

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Speaker 3: Bullet and Steve McQueen, the Steve McQueen Mustang, as we

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Speaker 3: sometimes referred to it as can you finish that for us?

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Speaker 2: Yes? And after the car appeared in the movie, it

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Speaker 2: was later acquired in the seventies by a gentleman named

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Speaker 2: Bob Kernan from New Jersey who kept the car pretty

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Speaker 2: much kept it hit away for many years. But fortunately

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Speaker 2: for the Mustang community, he preserved the car, he knew

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Speaker 2: what it was, and when he passed the way a

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Speaker 2: few years ago, it was inherited by his son, Sean Kernan,

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Speaker 2: He debuted it at the at a Ford press conference

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Speaker 2: where they introduced a twenty nineteen bullet special edition, and

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Speaker 2: so all of a sudden it was everywhere. It was

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Speaker 2: on the cover of Haggardy magazine. It was all over

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Speaker 2: websites that this bullet Mustang survived, and Sean, in the

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Speaker 2: end made the decision to sell it and it sold

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Speaker 2: for three point four million at Mika Auction. Wow to

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Speaker 2: Semi Florida.

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Speaker 3: Yes, that's a little bit more than that car was new, right, Oh,

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Speaker 3: a lot more than it was new.

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Speaker 2: And it still has the patina, It still has the

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Speaker 2: look that it had in the movie. It actually still

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Speaker 2: Well, still to this day, nobody knows who bought it.

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Speaker 2: It's anonymous bidder bought the car and has he hasn't

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Speaker 2: can't imagine that anyone would restore it. It is probably

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Speaker 2: worth more in its purvibor condition than it would be

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Speaker 2: as one hundred point show call.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, sure, absolutely so, Donald. If I'm interested in the book,

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Speaker 3: they like looking at pictures.

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Speaker 1: What about the pictures that are in the book. In

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Speaker 1: the next two minutes, what can you tell us?

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Speaker 2: Well, we every every story is described by pictures, of course,

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Speaker 2: and I tried to pick the photos that best depicted

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Speaker 2: many sources. Ford with so kind to provide photos. I

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Speaker 2: I'm so appreciative of working with me and helping me out.

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Speaker 3: The name of the book is Ford Mustang sixty Years.

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Speaker 3: The author is Donald Fari's here with us today, Donald.

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Speaker 3: If the listeners are interested, the book comes out in

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Speaker 3: about two weeks.

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Speaker 1: Where are they going to go and find it?

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Speaker 2: Well, it is available right now for pre order at

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Speaker 2: Amazon and it will be in bookstores. The actual release

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Speaker 2: date is October twenty second. I will have signed copies

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Speaker 2: available at my webs website, Donaldfarr dot com, and I'll

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Speaker 3: Okay, great, wonderful, real quick? Why Mustang's you got thirty seconds?

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Speaker 3: I had to put you on the spot. I'm sorry.

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Speaker 3: What is it about the Mustang?

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Speaker 1: Donald?

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Speaker 2: Oh? Well, my grandfather bought one brand new in sixty

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Speaker 2: six and it was just the coolest car in the neighborhood.

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Speaker 2: And from then on I was hooked on Mustangs. Mustangs

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Speaker 2: are still the American spirit, still built in America, still

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Speaker 2: a performance car, still an economy car if you want

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Speaker 2: it with the eco boost, and it does it all

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Speaker 2: the tradition.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it does it all. Well, that's good enough for us.

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Speaker 3: It's donaldsfar dot com as the website if you want

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Speaker 3: a copy of the book. The book is Ford Mustang

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Speaker 3: sixty Years Donald far As the author. Donald, thank you

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Speaker 3: so much for being here, and don't forget folks. It's

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Speaker 3: out on Amazon as well. I'm running dy in the car, doctor.

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Speaker 3: I'll be back right after this. Don't go away.