WEBVTT - #234 - Civic Cipher 0:00:00.280 --> 0:00:02.680 Blueleg Kap Podcast Special guests in here, my guy Q, 0:00:02.920 --> 0:00:06.880 my guy ramses a civic cipher up. For people who 0:00:06.880 --> 0:00:09.959 don't know what civic cipher is, ramsis, I'll let you 0:00:10.080 --> 0:00:13.560 educate the people civic cipher is. You should put the 0:00:13.560 --> 0:00:15.280 mic in front of you too, ra. It is a 0:00:15.480 --> 0:00:23.759 radio show that exists to give the hip hop community 0:00:23.760 --> 0:00:27.240 a little bit more insight into the goings on politically 0:00:27.360 --> 0:00:29.560 in this country and to give a voice to the 0:00:29.600 --> 0:00:36.320 activist element that moves to create a better day to 0:00:36.400 --> 0:00:41.040 day life for black and brown, marginalized, impoverish communities, et cetera. 0:00:41.400 --> 0:00:46.000 What was the inspiration for starting the show? Really, it 0:00:46.080 --> 0:00:48.120 was twenty twenty, you know, folks getting out on the 0:00:48.120 --> 0:00:52.000 street and protesting. You know, let us know that there 0:00:52.080 --> 0:00:55.400 was a gap in there was a gaping hole in 0:00:55.440 --> 0:01:02.320 the media space. Yes, I remember that. Anyway, tell me 0:01:02.360 --> 0:01:04.080 more about the gaping hole. No, no, I'm not going 0:01:04.160 --> 0:01:08.200 to tell you about that. You should talk about that anyway. 0:01:08.200 --> 0:01:10.520 There was a gaping hole in the media space. Sure, sure, 0:01:10.640 --> 0:01:16.119 and in the media space. You know, uh, we are 0:01:16.160 --> 0:01:19.000 both DJs and broadcasters. I'm talking to you like you 0:01:19.000 --> 0:01:21.640 don't notice. You got to tell everybody else for people 0:01:21.680 --> 0:01:23.040 who don't know Rams is like my best friend in 0:01:23.080 --> 0:01:25.120 the entire world, best man on my wedding. Yes, you 0:01:25.120 --> 0:01:28.880 know I've known Kevin since he was three years old. Yes, 0:01:29.400 --> 0:01:31.839 so the reason bootleg keV is all into hip hop, 0:01:31.920 --> 0:01:33.600 this is true. It's all him. It's all his fault. 0:01:33.600 --> 0:01:36.759 It's literally his fault, his fault. We used to play 0:01:36.800 --> 0:01:39.679 guys when we were little, you know, little toys, not 0:01:39.720 --> 0:01:42.480 play with guys. That was what you called it. You 0:01:42.560 --> 0:01:46.240 called it guys guys like action figures, action figures. Yes, 0:01:46.440 --> 0:01:51.720 so lifelong friend, that's friend. But but yeah, that in 0:01:51.760 --> 0:01:54.120 the media space, there wasn't anyone talking about what was 0:01:54.160 --> 0:01:55.640 going on in the streets, no one giving a voice 0:01:55.680 --> 0:01:58.280 to the movement, no one talking about, you know what 0:01:58.560 --> 0:02:01.200 explaining the concepts defund police. How do we you know, 0:02:01.280 --> 0:02:05.200 create programs to kind of mitigate you know, economic you know, 0:02:05.320 --> 0:02:09.959 instability and and and you know, bring just an activist 0:02:09.960 --> 0:02:12.080 element to the to the airwaves. We was just if 0:02:12.080 --> 0:02:13.440 you would have turned on the radio at the time, 0:02:13.480 --> 0:02:16.600 it was just rapping and dancing and singing and fashion 0:02:16.680 --> 0:02:18.960 and there. It was just very like, uh, you know, 0:02:19.000 --> 0:02:22.480 obviously in radio there's not a lot of uh, time 0:02:22.639 --> 0:02:26.160 or space to really dive into those conversations right and 0:02:26.280 --> 0:02:29.080 outside of service level things, right. And so that's exactly 0:02:29.120 --> 0:02:32.959 what we pushed back against because you know, it's it's 0:02:33.040 --> 0:02:35.800 one thing. Q Q says it a lot better, but 0:02:36.000 --> 0:02:37.760 I'll try to get you started. It's one thing to 0:02:39.080 --> 0:02:41.880 you know, profit from black culture because you know, a 0:02:41.919 --> 0:02:43.639 lot of folks at the top, they didn't really look 0:02:43.680 --> 0:02:46.320 like the community that who's culture. Mostly nobody at the 0:02:46.320 --> 0:02:49.320 top there you go, mostly mostly exactly, So a lot 0:02:49.320 --> 0:02:52.600 of them people were benefiting from it, but they didn't 0:02:52.600 --> 0:02:55.040 really have a vested interest in whatever outcomes took place 0:02:55.040 --> 0:03:00.480 on the street. And we fought against that, uh, that balance, 0:03:01.160 --> 0:03:03.480 and so you know, yes, we take a moment, we 0:03:03.560 --> 0:03:05.360 turn the songs off, we turn the music off, we 0:03:05.400 --> 0:03:08.080 have conversations. We educate not just black and brown people, 0:03:08.080 --> 0:03:11.560 but everybody who communities right, anybody listens to hip hop. 0:03:11.600 --> 0:03:13.400 We figured they can be an ally to black and 0:03:13.440 --> 0:03:16.720 brown communities. They need to understand the conversations and struggles, 0:03:16.760 --> 0:03:20.200 the challenges. And then by having those conversations long form 0:03:20.320 --> 0:03:22.760 in spaces where people are because it's hard for folks 0:03:22.760 --> 0:03:25.800 to seek out programs like ours if you're we don't 0:03:25.800 --> 0:03:29.640 seek out you know, Vietnamese program and no disrespect, but 0:03:29.800 --> 0:03:31.720 I don't feel like it's creative for me. So I 0:03:31.720 --> 0:03:34.639 don't expect you know, non black people to seek out 0:03:34.720 --> 0:03:37.000 what would be considered black programming. They don't feel like 0:03:37.000 --> 0:03:39.280 it's for them. So by putting it in the media 0:03:39.360 --> 0:03:43.040 space where hip hop music can consume, black culture is consumed, 0:03:43.360 --> 0:03:45.640 it feels, in our opinion, feels a little bit more 0:03:45.640 --> 0:03:48.080 accessible for our listeners. And so this is how we've 0:03:48.080 --> 0:03:51.280 been able to connect with you know, radio stations around 0:03:51.280 --> 0:03:53.400 the country, listeners around the country. It's also available in 0:03:53.440 --> 0:03:58.320 podcasts form, sure, absolutely absolutely, So you know we've been 0:03:58.320 --> 0:04:01.040 doing that. We've been doing in since then. Of course, 0:04:01.080 --> 0:04:04.440 the Black Information Network, which is a subsidiary if I 0:04:04.520 --> 0:04:06.560 Heeart Media, has reached out and they've kind of tapped 0:04:07.200 --> 0:04:10.240 on us to kind of expand the show, and then 0:04:10.280 --> 0:04:12.920 I do a podcast for them as well. So it's 0:04:12.920 --> 0:04:15.800 been it's been a wild ride, but you know, making 0:04:15.800 --> 0:04:18.120 some proper How do you feel like it's like in 0:04:18.200 --> 0:04:20.440 terms of just like filling in the space that is 0:04:20.480 --> 0:04:24.640 missing that there were there wasn't anything sort of care 0:04:24.839 --> 0:04:28.560 to the issues or you know, I think your guys's 0:04:28.640 --> 0:04:31.240 mission before and I don't know why. You know, obviously 0:04:31.640 --> 0:04:34.080 there's I'm sure in certain markets there's like one off 0:04:34.080 --> 0:04:36.719 some people who do like shows like this but aren't 0:04:36.760 --> 0:04:39.640 necessarily trying to take the national approach to it. So 0:04:39.680 --> 0:04:43.560 the interesting thing, keV, is that our initial push wasn't 0:04:43.600 --> 0:04:45.680 for us to do a show. So it's hard to 0:04:45.680 --> 0:04:47.760 tell the story and leave that part out. We didn't. 0:04:48.040 --> 0:04:50.400 We weren't trying to jump, you know, in front of 0:04:50.440 --> 0:04:52.880 the mic or in front of the camera. Just make 0:04:52.920 --> 0:04:56.200 sure your mike's turned down a little to tell the story. 0:04:56.240 --> 0:04:59.560 And yeah, we just thought somebody should, right. So when 0:04:59.560 --> 0:05:01.640 we first at that first meeting with the PD, it 0:05:01.720 --> 0:05:04.960 was like, hey, you know, we got some unrated space 0:05:05.000 --> 0:05:07.599 overnight that's running. Are you talking about that at the 0:05:07.600 --> 0:05:13.040 Beat Arizona, Yes, sir, that's now the Bounce. That's now 0:05:13.080 --> 0:05:15.839 the Bounce. That's weird. The reason they changed their name 0:05:15.880 --> 0:05:21.400 because well they were also owns the Beat trademark, so 0:05:21.680 --> 0:05:26.039 there's that what Yeah, Rams just owns the Beat, so 0:05:26.040 --> 0:05:28.839 they had to change the whole situation. But and we 0:05:28.880 --> 0:05:32.279 can talk about that too, But we were in the streets, Kevin, 0:05:32.320 --> 0:05:34.760 you noticed more than more than a lot of people 0:05:34.800 --> 0:05:36.960 when everything was happening in twenty twenty, a lot of 0:05:36.960 --> 0:05:40.240 people were outside with their skids, with their families, like, listen, 0:05:40.520 --> 0:05:42.680 there's some things that are going on that have been 0:05:42.720 --> 0:05:44.680 going on for so long and we just kind of 0:05:45.000 --> 0:05:47.640 collectively all over it. Yeah, for sure, but the way 0:05:47.640 --> 0:05:50.039 that it was covered on television, even on some broadcast 0:05:50.120 --> 0:05:52.880 media was just not that, you know, call people rioters 0:05:52.880 --> 0:05:55.719 and protesters, I mean not protesters, but rioters and looters 0:05:56.360 --> 0:05:59.680 instead of protesters. So Rams is his idea was, listen, 0:06:00.520 --> 0:06:03.400 there's some people out there whose voice only goes as 0:06:03.400 --> 0:06:05.640 far as a bullhorn. It would be cool if we 0:06:05.640 --> 0:06:08.040 can just have them come on the radio and have 0:06:08.080 --> 0:06:09.760 a place where they can say their piece and tell 0:06:09.800 --> 0:06:12.800 their story. And we got some unrated time overnight that's 0:06:13.000 --> 0:06:16.200 running what Don't Drink and Drive ads or something where 0:06:16.240 --> 0:06:18.640 we could you know, talk about that. And the station 0:06:18.760 --> 0:06:20.960 was initially like, yeah, that'd be a great idea. Yeah, 0:06:21.200 --> 0:06:23.720 we should put something together. And then a month went by, 0:06:24.240 --> 0:06:26.200 and then a couple months went by, and then a 0:06:26.200 --> 0:06:30.200 few months went by, and just in the spirit I think, 0:06:30.200 --> 0:06:32.760 in the spirit of follow up, Ram just went and 0:06:32.839 --> 0:06:34.960 had a meeting with you know, I'll let you say 0:06:35.040 --> 0:06:40.080 the gentleman's name, Adrika RPD. At the time, Hey, remember 0:06:40.080 --> 0:06:41.920 that thing we talked about that everybody said would be 0:06:41.960 --> 0:06:46.240 a good idea? Are still to do that? And there's 0:06:46.240 --> 0:06:48.160 so many things they could have said back to us 0:06:48.200 --> 0:06:50.039 keV that we would have just had to take on 0:06:50.120 --> 0:06:53.120 the chin and run with, like, Hey, you guys, great idea, 0:06:53.680 --> 0:06:57.960 we don't want to do anything divisive. Hey guys, wonderful 0:06:58.200 --> 0:07:00.599 concept you guys talked about, but we don't really do 0:07:00.760 --> 0:07:04.200 political in this space. Had they said something like that, 0:07:04.320 --> 0:07:07.000 we'd thought it was BS. But but we could have 0:07:07.040 --> 0:07:09.880 took that on the chain. What they said, or what 0:07:09.960 --> 0:07:12.720 he said, more specifically, was we don't want to do 0:07:13.080 --> 0:07:17.920 a black show. Wow. And the reason why that part 0:07:17.920 --> 0:07:21.440 of the story is important because Civic Sipher now seems like, Hey, 0:07:21.440 --> 0:07:23.760 those guys had a great plan and they ran to 0:07:23.800 --> 0:07:26.960 play and it worked. That's not what happened. We pitched 0:07:26.960 --> 0:07:30.800 an idea to the station they told us as initially okay, 0:07:30.880 --> 0:07:33.920 and this is at the time, I mean still is 0:07:33.960 --> 0:07:36.320 a hip hop station, Yes, but it's a hip hop station, 0:07:37.080 --> 0:07:40.800 a hip hop station that plays nothing, nothing but black music. 0:07:40.920 --> 0:07:44.480 That was in Phoenix, Yes, My charge was that, you know, 0:07:44.640 --> 0:07:47.960 a station that plays seventy percent black artist and one 0:07:48.000 --> 0:07:52.480 hundred percent black music should also align itself be an 0:07:52.560 --> 0:07:55.440 ally to a community in need where we're hurting. You know, 0:07:55.520 --> 0:07:57.960 people are dying. We're coming together. We're trying to change 0:07:58.400 --> 0:08:00.400 so that we can create a better path forward for 0:08:00.440 --> 0:08:03.720 our children. Right my father, what's fred Rico doing now? 0:08:04.600 --> 0:08:06.600 Sell in real estate? Like every other bum ass PD 0:08:06.680 --> 0:08:08.480 out there, they can't get a job. Man. Look, I 0:08:08.760 --> 0:08:11.040 haven't kept up. I will say this because it's important 0:08:11.080 --> 0:08:14.440 to say it. I talked to Fred, he wished me 0:08:14.480 --> 0:08:16.559 well on my journey, and I will leave it there, 0:08:16.680 --> 0:08:18.720 but I would want to say this too. Let me 0:08:18.800 --> 0:08:20.280 let me say this because you know, for folks that 0:08:20.360 --> 0:08:23.600 aren't familiar with Civic Cipher, you know it was talking 0:08:23.600 --> 0:08:27.960 about you know, keV listening to my CD books. After 0:08:28.160 --> 0:08:30.520 Fred and I had our meeting, I don't think I 0:08:30.520 --> 0:08:33.120 don't even think you know this. You have to bear 0:08:33.120 --> 0:08:35.959 in mind, I've been a radio broadcaster my whole adult 0:08:36.000 --> 0:08:39.840 career up to that point, and when I decided to 0:08:39.880 --> 0:08:44.560 resign after that meeting, I had to come to terms 0:08:44.559 --> 0:08:47.200 with the fact that I might never broadcast again, and 0:08:47.240 --> 0:08:49.560 that's a lot to come in terms with because in Phoenix, 0:08:49.600 --> 0:08:51.600 you know, I was kind of you know at that time, 0:08:51.679 --> 0:08:54.320 especially for people who don't know you. You decided to 0:08:54.360 --> 0:08:57.079 resign after they said we're not going to put the 0:08:57.080 --> 0:08:59.600 show on that he said, ramses, I don't want to 0:08:59.600 --> 0:09:01.160 know way that they said it. I don't want to 0:09:01.160 --> 0:09:02.440 do a blow. I had to do it the way 0:09:02.480 --> 0:09:05.079 they said it, right. So I wrote my resignation letter, 0:09:05.360 --> 0:09:08.559 but I addressed it to the city of Phoenix because 0:09:08.600 --> 0:09:11.959 the Phoenix had given me my ratings, Phoenix had kept 0:09:12.000 --> 0:09:14.360 me on the air across multiple stations and so forth. 0:09:14.400 --> 0:09:17.000 But I did make one phone call before I posted that, 0:09:17.880 --> 0:09:20.600 and I called you, and you were in Mexico at 0:09:20.600 --> 0:09:22.679 the time with your wife, and I read that to I. 0:09:22.679 --> 0:09:25.320 Remember I was crying, Yeah, I was, because you imagine 0:09:25.400 --> 0:09:27.320 when I got to the house you were still crying. Yeah, 0:09:27.320 --> 0:09:29.199 the emotion that goes into that. And I didn't know 0:09:29.240 --> 0:09:31.240 what was coming next. But I read that letter to you, 0:09:31.280 --> 0:09:33.559 and you was like, there's no way you can write that. 0:09:33.640 --> 0:09:36.640 And I posted, posted, yeah, posted it and then got 0:09:36.679 --> 0:09:39.760 shared when viral the trades picked it up, you know, 0:09:39.800 --> 0:09:42.240 everyone picked it up, and then PD started reaching out 0:09:42.280 --> 0:09:44.600 around the country saying, hey, we'd like to carry that show. 0:09:45.120 --> 0:09:48.560 And then of course the podcast partnership with iHeart helped 0:09:48.600 --> 0:09:51.440 blow it up even more. And you know, then the 0:09:51.440 --> 0:09:53.360 other shows that I that I ended up doing it 0:09:53.679 --> 0:09:56.920 just led to sort of this snowball effects. So we 0:09:57.000 --> 0:09:59.520 had to create that on the spot. When these people 0:09:59.559 --> 0:10:03.040 started out, there was no show. The show didn't exist. 0:10:03.080 --> 0:10:07.280 We just had an idea. But you know, Ramsey's initially 0:10:07.840 --> 0:10:10.000 resigned both of us from the beat, like okay, we 0:10:10.080 --> 0:10:12.040 don't work here no more, and then called me and 0:10:12.080 --> 0:10:15.400 told me, and of course right, but just he was 0:10:15.440 --> 0:10:17.880 that compelled, he felt that strong in that moment, like, 0:10:18.520 --> 0:10:22.040 imagine looking at for the cameras, imagine looking at him, 0:10:23.679 --> 0:10:26.000 We're not going to do a black show on the 0:10:26.080 --> 0:10:28.520 hip hop station. Like it's a crazy thing to say, 0:10:28.520 --> 0:10:30.880 he loud to me, especially you know what I'm saying. 0:10:30.920 --> 0:10:34.440 So that decision kind of made it self care and 0:10:34.440 --> 0:10:36.400 then it was time to get to work, Q I 0:10:36.440 --> 0:10:38.760 need you to commit to doing this with me. I 0:10:38.800 --> 0:10:40.680 don't know what it's going to become, because you know 0:10:40.720 --> 0:10:43.040 it's worked out now we might top of the year, 0:10:43.040 --> 0:10:46.000 we might be on almost seventy stations. So it's worked 0:10:46.000 --> 0:10:47.440 out now. So it seemed like we had a plan 0:10:47.480 --> 0:10:49.560 and we ran to play like nah, it was just 0:10:50.200 --> 0:10:52.679 the station made a decision for us. We don't want 0:10:52.679 --> 0:10:55.160 to do a black show, made the choice for us. 0:10:55.679 --> 0:10:57.800 What happened after that, they just kind of came together. 0:10:57.840 --> 0:10:59.520 So if you believe in God or the universe, or 0:10:59.559 --> 0:11:02.240 you know, whatever your belief system is, that's kind of 0:11:02.280 --> 0:11:05.000 where those thanks go. Because we had no idea and 0:11:05.080 --> 0:11:07.400 our minds were never going to work in radio again 0:11:07.640 --> 0:11:11.480 because Ramses's letter burned the station down. He named names. 0:11:11.520 --> 0:11:14.800 It was very it was very very specific, but had 0:11:14.840 --> 0:11:16.800 to be done in that way, you know. But but 0:11:16.920 --> 0:11:20.360 we figured, okay, once this is published, I don't know 0:11:20.400 --> 0:11:22.480 how we're gonna do, you know, as far as the 0:11:22.559 --> 0:11:26.880 career thing after this. So once you the letter goes viral, 0:11:27.400 --> 0:11:30.160 did they ever Like they never even replied to it 0:11:30.280 --> 0:11:33.960 or try to. I had a brief line of communication 0:11:34.200 --> 0:11:37.800 to the general manager of the station, because you know, 0:11:37.840 --> 0:11:42.520 we're at a point Paul Holton, Okay, what's the other 0:11:42.559 --> 0:11:44.920 guy's name? Is always there? The the other old old 0:11:44.960 --> 0:11:48.040 dude that's been there forever, Michael Michael Malice, Oh yeah, 0:11:48.040 --> 0:11:50.559 he was going by. Okay, okay, so Michael wasn't involved, 0:11:50.600 --> 0:11:52.839 but anyway, Uh yeah, I had a brief line of 0:11:52.840 --> 0:11:55.400 communication because we're going back and forth in the newspaper 0:11:55.440 --> 0:11:57.200 and in the trades. You know, they're saying it's this, 0:11:57.360 --> 0:11:58.839 I'm saying it's that, you know what I mean, And 0:11:58.840 --> 0:12:00.480 of course they have to spend it, have a whole 0:12:00.480 --> 0:12:04.199 business to protect, so they don't mind reframing the conversation, 0:12:04.320 --> 0:12:06.120 the narrative around. They even try to get somebody else 0:12:06.160 --> 0:12:08.880 to do the show. Yeah, yeah, I think they hired 0:12:09.000 --> 0:12:11.520 Cedric Sabalo. Shout out to said that's my guy, but 0:12:11.600 --> 0:12:13.959 they hired him to do it. And then I think 0:12:14.000 --> 0:12:16.559 it was like Jackie Morales is another name out in Arizona. 0:12:17.679 --> 0:12:19.680 Some folks to try to pick up the slack because 0:12:19.720 --> 0:12:22.640 the community had since charged that station with hey, you 0:12:22.679 --> 0:12:25.520 should be doing what this guy resigned about, you know 0:12:25.520 --> 0:12:30.120 what I mean. So you know, everybody ended up winning again. 0:12:30.160 --> 0:12:32.240 I kept a brief line of communication open with Paul. 0:12:32.400 --> 0:12:35.400 I still believe Paul to be, you know, friendly with me, 0:12:35.440 --> 0:12:38.600 but obviously because of where he works, in the situation circumstance, 0:12:38.640 --> 0:12:40.840 he probably can't talk to me. And I Honestly, I 0:12:40.880 --> 0:12:43.160 believe that a lot of those people really had good intentions. 0:12:43.280 --> 0:12:45.320 Was just one person who made the wrong decision at 0:12:45.360 --> 0:12:47.160 the wrong time and said it the wrong way to 0:12:47.200 --> 0:12:50.200 the wrong person. Because I've been I was the president 0:12:50.240 --> 0:12:53.679 of the Black Student Union in college INAACP at BSU. 0:12:53.840 --> 0:12:56.439 This isn't new to me. I've been on this path 0:12:56.480 --> 0:12:58.640 for my life trying to make sure everything is fair 0:12:58.640 --> 0:13:01.360 and equal. Because you know, we reached me and u keV. 0:13:01.440 --> 0:13:05.240 We reach heights from playing with toys as a little kid. 0:13:05.320 --> 0:13:06.920 You know what I'm saying. We reach heights wed never 0:13:07.000 --> 0:13:10.160 thought and you know, for me, obviously it comes with 0:13:10.320 --> 0:13:12.520 an additional charge for you too. 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Sure, 0:14:57.160 --> 0:15:00.600 so there's there's Uh, it's funny because I'm learning all 0:15:00.600 --> 0:15:02.040 this stuff on the fly. In fact, I got a 0:15:02.040 --> 0:15:05.480 funny story to tell you about trademarks. But so there's 0:15:05.520 --> 0:15:09.840 a way you can trademark a name locally, like in 0:15:09.920 --> 0:15:12.400 a state, and then there's a way that you can 0:15:12.440 --> 0:15:15.920 trademark something federally, and it's basically protecting a brand or 0:15:15.960 --> 0:15:18.280 a name or a concept or something like that. So 0:15:19.440 --> 0:15:22.200 I didn't have to do too much anything. And the 0:15:22.240 --> 0:15:25.400 truth be told, we have a friend, we all three 0:15:25.440 --> 0:15:27.800 of us have a friend named C who trademarked it 0:15:27.840 --> 0:15:29.480 for me in my name and gave it to me 0:15:29.520 --> 0:15:31.760 as a gift. Just sad. Listen, man, since you resign, 0:15:32.400 --> 0:15:35.080 I went ahead and trademarked that for you to beat, 0:15:35.160 --> 0:15:37.120 or just one one to beat. So the next time 0:15:37.200 --> 0:15:39.880 that that name is heard in Arizona. It'll be because 0:15:39.880 --> 0:15:41.400 you owned it. And he was like, listen, if you 0:15:41.360 --> 0:15:43.280 want a radio station, we can talk about buying you 0:15:43.320 --> 0:15:46.080 a station, you know, getting you some placement or whatever. 0:15:46.160 --> 0:15:48.440 So you know, it's just it's just being real friendly, 0:15:48.480 --> 0:15:50.120 you know what I mean. But I do own the name, 0:15:50.160 --> 0:15:51.680 so no one else can use it in terms of 0:15:51.720 --> 0:15:54.720 the federal trademarks. Is that why they changed their name. 0:15:55.440 --> 0:15:59.520 They changed the name because the backlash from their black employee, 0:15:59.560 --> 0:16:01.840 who's the most tenured, who had the most you know, 0:16:02.240 --> 0:16:04.440 clicks on the website, you know what I'm saying, had 0:16:04.480 --> 0:16:07.480 resigned in such public fashion over allegations that they weren't 0:16:07.480 --> 0:16:10.520 being fair to the community. They were just taking money 0:16:11.040 --> 0:16:14.080 and not giving anything back. And that was my charge. Listen, 0:16:14.640 --> 0:16:17.560 if you're not a black person, but you partake in 0:16:17.600 --> 0:16:19.560 black culture, the way I say it is, we don't 0:16:19.600 --> 0:16:22.440 mind if you eat from our table, just make sure 0:16:22.480 --> 0:16:24.320 you save us a seat. I think that that's more 0:16:24.320 --> 0:16:27.720 than fair, more than fair charge to anybody who partakes 0:16:27.720 --> 0:16:30.760 in black culture and uses it to make money. Just 0:16:30.800 --> 0:16:33.080 imagine that these are human beings who actually have to 0:16:33.120 --> 0:16:35.640 live and die in order to these stories to exist. 0:16:35.760 --> 0:16:37.440 And we don't want to live this. We weren't just 0:16:37.480 --> 0:16:40.000 born to die and sell dope and you know, struggle. 0:16:40.080 --> 0:16:43.200 That's not fair and if you are profiting off of 0:16:43.240 --> 0:16:45.160 that pain, you know what I'm saying. If we asked 0:16:45.160 --> 0:16:46.840 for a seat at the table, we only asked for 0:16:46.880 --> 0:16:50.360 thirty minutes initially in the middle of the thirty people. 0:16:50.440 --> 0:16:53.120 And it didn't even have to betes a week. And 0:16:53.160 --> 0:16:54.560 it didn't even have to be us on the station. 0:16:55.120 --> 0:16:56.600 It could have been anybody else. We would have just 0:16:56.600 --> 0:16:59.040 made sure that we got the guest book, you know 0:16:59.080 --> 0:17:01.920 what I'm saying. So that's been my charge. But you know, 0:17:02.200 --> 0:17:06.639 after that backlash, the station rebranded. Yeah, they had to 0:17:06.680 --> 0:17:09.560 make some changes. Are they aware every time you google 0:17:09.640 --> 0:17:11.880 one on one one that beat the story came up first. 0:17:12.119 --> 0:17:14.440 Are they aware that you're on that now? They will 0:17:14.480 --> 0:17:16.440 be after they hear this. I didn't have no reason 0:17:16.440 --> 0:17:18.640 to stunt on nobody, you know what I'm saying. I'm 0:17:18.640 --> 0:17:20.760 trying to do good, good work, and I believe now 0:17:20.800 --> 0:17:22.920 those people they learned a lesson. I never I've worked 0:17:22.920 --> 0:17:24.960 with them for a long time. They weren't bad people. 0:17:25.000 --> 0:17:27.359 They just made a bad call again. But you know 0:17:27.440 --> 0:17:29.720 they've since done a couple of things. The shows. They're 0:17:29.720 --> 0:17:31.879 committed to making things right, so I don't want to 0:17:31.920 --> 0:17:33.760 like keep beating up on them. But I got to 0:17:34.080 --> 0:17:35.479 tell the story how it went. So if I say 0:17:35.520 --> 0:17:37.719 your name in the interviews, because that's how it happened. 0:17:38.920 --> 0:17:41.840 So yeah, man, But you know, for now, I'm focused 0:17:41.840 --> 0:17:46.399 on making sure that we have conversations that are dedicated 0:17:46.440 --> 0:17:50.520 to healing, you know, conversations dedicated to you know, giving 0:17:50.600 --> 0:17:55.920 insight into what different people's experiences might be like, trying 0:17:55.920 --> 0:17:59.280 to create more empathetic allies. We feel like we'll find 0:17:59.320 --> 0:18:03.119 allies for the plight of black and brown people in 0:18:03.200 --> 0:18:06.280 the spaces where we broadcast and you know podcast as well, 0:18:07.359 --> 0:18:09.400 and we need to give them insights so that when 0:18:09.400 --> 0:18:11.760 they go home for Thanksgiving and they sit in their 0:18:11.840 --> 0:18:15.199 uncle's presence or their dad's presence, they know how to 0:18:15.240 --> 0:18:18.359 have conversations that will show that, Okay, there's a different 0:18:18.400 --> 0:18:20.440 way of looking at this, pops, you know what I'm saying. 0:18:20.440 --> 0:18:22.480 These people actually have some other you know what I'm saying, 0:18:22.480 --> 0:18:24.520 And so we lean on a lot of great thinkers. 0:18:24.760 --> 0:18:27.040 I never thought I was a DJ. I never thought 0:18:27.080 --> 0:18:28.760 i'd be in this position, you know, we both were. 0:18:29.119 --> 0:18:30.800 You know, he was djiling for the Phoenix Suns. You 0:18:30.800 --> 0:18:33.720 know what I'm saying. So who's to say, you know 0:18:33.720 --> 0:18:36.280 what tomorrow holds. But when the call comes and you're 0:18:36.280 --> 0:18:38.119 the only person holding the ball, what do you do? 0:18:38.160 --> 0:18:40.680 You run with the ball. So you know, that's how 0:18:40.680 --> 0:18:44.479 we ended up, you know here, and to piggyback off 0:18:44.520 --> 0:18:46.440 of that, we've done our best to grow it even 0:18:46.520 --> 0:18:49.840 more so again I mentioned to be in daily podcast, 0:18:49.960 --> 0:18:52.040 making sure we have platforms to tell these stories. But Q, 0:18:53.600 --> 0:18:55.359 hopefully I'm not putting your business out there. But he 0:18:55.480 --> 0:19:00.480 recently acquired Hip Hop Weekly, the media imprint. Yes, that's 0:19:00.560 --> 0:19:02.520 that's his now, and you know he can, you know, 0:19:02.760 --> 0:19:06.280 tell stories how they deserve to be told, and you 0:19:06.400 --> 0:19:08.199 shaping it up. Don't let me speak for you. No, 0:19:08.240 --> 0:19:10.000 I mean, we were planning to relaunch Top of the 0:19:10.080 --> 0:19:12.560 Year and a bunch of people that we know and 0:19:12.600 --> 0:19:15.720 a bunch of people we don't know, freelancers, journalists, photographers 0:19:16.000 --> 0:19:18.760 and up and coming artists will have a space that 0:19:19.000 --> 0:19:21.280 kind of always existed but didn't have the light that 0:19:21.359 --> 0:19:25.320 it deserved. So just kind of rebranding that magazine because 0:19:25.359 --> 0:19:27.359 Hip Hop Weekly is like kind of like a you know, 0:19:27.440 --> 0:19:29.439 it's it's uh, would you say, it's kind of like 0:19:29.480 --> 0:19:34.040 the tabloid version of like it's kind of like Hollywood Unlocked, 0:19:34.240 --> 0:19:36.320 but in a magazine form. Yeah, kind of before all 0:19:36.320 --> 0:19:39.240 the all that existed, Yeah, for sure. So and it 0:19:39.400 --> 0:19:41.359 was still in print, like it'd be next to like 0:19:41.440 --> 0:19:43.879 US Weekly, Yeah, you know all that. So coming back 0:19:43.960 --> 0:19:47.439 to the digital space with something that was a printed magazine, right, 0:19:47.680 --> 0:19:51.840 and really creating a new platform for not just creators, 0:19:52.480 --> 0:19:54.600 but artists that will not when the artists are creators, 0:19:54.600 --> 0:19:57.000 but not just the people who capture the stories, but 0:19:57.040 --> 0:20:01.159 the people that create them. So you know, branding and relaunching, 0:20:01.720 --> 0:20:04.560 you know, doing covers again, like really giving people something 0:20:04.600 --> 0:20:07.400 to read. And yeah, because the covers prior, I think 0:20:07.440 --> 0:20:09.960 it was very like it was like a bunch of 0:20:10.000 --> 0:20:11.840 stuff going on on the cover. I mean you said 0:20:11.840 --> 0:20:13.720 it, it it was just like how if you go see 0:20:13.840 --> 0:20:16.080 US Weekly magazine at the grocery store. Now like a 0:20:16.119 --> 0:20:19.560 bunch of headlines. We're trying to do more classic covers. 0:20:19.640 --> 0:20:22.960 As I say, the headline. Really it's a little harder 0:20:22.960 --> 0:20:25.480 to the Internet. It's like it's like harder to keep 0:20:25.520 --> 0:20:27.439 up if you're printing because by the time it gets printed, 0:20:27.440 --> 0:20:31.680 who knows how the story's changed. Yeah, especially if the 0:20:31.760 --> 0:20:34.760 Kanye shit. Like every other day, we record our show 0:20:34.800 --> 0:20:37.840 a day ahead of time, and it's like Jesus, I 0:20:37.840 --> 0:20:40.080 can't even fucking we can't even keep up with all 0:20:40.080 --> 0:20:43.320 the wild shit happening. Speaking of that, you own white 0:20:43.359 --> 0:20:48.760 Lives Matter, indeed, yeah, so uh so for people who 0:20:48.760 --> 0:20:51.880 don't know. So this is the other part. You you 0:20:51.920 --> 0:20:56.560 technically own the term white Lives matter, the trademark. That's 0:20:56.600 --> 0:20:59.680 a federal trademark that applies to the whole United States. 0:21:01.040 --> 0:21:03.520 So yeah, if you were to go and look it up, 0:21:03.520 --> 0:21:07.760 it's owned by Civic Cipher LLC. We acquired the trademark 0:21:07.920 --> 0:21:14.240 from an individual in our orbit who procured that and 0:21:14.280 --> 0:21:18.919 then also filed for All Lives Matter federally because they 0:21:18.960 --> 0:21:23.760 weren't trademarked funnily enough. And so this person did that 0:21:24.520 --> 0:21:27.880 and wanted to ensure that the right people would benefit 0:21:27.920 --> 0:21:33.640 from those sayings, and we ultimately ended up acquiring it 0:21:33.720 --> 0:21:37.760 through our lawyer Morris. So now we are the deciders 0:21:37.800 --> 0:21:42.800 of who profits from those terms white lives matter and 0:21:42.880 --> 0:21:45.920 all lives Matter. So if you ever see any individual 0:21:46.520 --> 0:21:51.639 selling that shirt, it's either illegal or they had to 0:21:51.680 --> 0:21:53.920 come down to our street and knock on our door 0:21:54.119 --> 0:21:57.800 and we had to negotiate the terms of that cell. 0:21:58.080 --> 0:22:02.440 So when are you assuing Kanye West. Well, if Kanye 0:22:02.480 --> 0:22:06.000 West or any other person decides to sell because he 0:22:06.040 --> 0:22:08.719 hasn't sold any he hasn't sold those yet, right, and 0:22:08.760 --> 0:22:12.880 so he decides to sell something, you know he will 0:22:12.960 --> 0:22:14.800 either have to get clearance or he has to face 0:22:15.200 --> 0:22:17.240 our trademark attorneys. Because I saw he was just giving 0:22:17.240 --> 0:22:20.119 away the shirts and skid row. He was just passing 0:22:20.160 --> 0:22:21.800 him out the homeless through that. And then that's that's 0:22:21.840 --> 0:22:24.720 totally fine. But in terms of profiting off of a 0:22:24.960 --> 0:22:33.880 statement that is intended to dilute the significance and the 0:22:33.920 --> 0:22:37.680 thrust of a statement as affirming as black lives matter, 0:22:38.600 --> 0:22:41.359 the right people should decide who gets money off of that, 0:22:41.359 --> 0:22:43.720 who gets money off of that? Exactly, if you wanted 0:22:43.760 --> 0:22:46.479 to affirm for yourself that white lives matter in your 0:22:46.520 --> 0:22:49.880 own path through life, that is your right you can make. 0:22:49.960 --> 0:22:51.479 You can paint it on your shirt, no one can 0:22:51.480 --> 0:22:52.920 stop fight. But if you as soon as you want 0:22:52.960 --> 0:22:57.120 to sell it, you are infringing on Civic Cipher LLC's 0:22:57.640 --> 0:23:02.920 federally protected trademark and you will be suedow. Yes, you 0:23:02.920 --> 0:23:05.080 can look at us any lawsuits yet. No, no, no, 0:23:05.080 --> 0:23:06.879 we just sent out seas and desists to people that 0:23:06.920 --> 0:23:09.200 were selling bootleg versions of that stuff. Oh I didn't 0:23:09.200 --> 0:23:11.119 send them out the lawyers, did we know, we're not lawyers. 0:23:11.160 --> 0:23:14.520 Somebody sent was selling fake white Lives Matter shirts. Oh yeah, yeah, 0:23:14.560 --> 0:23:17.000 yeah people so and then the ausest matter to Once 0:23:17.040 --> 0:23:19.040 that comes back, you know, the cnds go out and 0:23:19.080 --> 0:23:21.600 then you know, if you ever do see a person 0:23:21.720 --> 0:23:25.120 selling them again, they came and they knocked on our door. 0:23:25.840 --> 0:23:28.879 We worked it out, or we choose to donate that 0:23:29.040 --> 0:23:33.679 money whatever. If we choose to donate that to certain 0:23:33.920 --> 0:23:36.520 organizations or whatever, then that is our right and we 0:23:36.560 --> 0:23:38.840 can decide how that money gets spent, and hopefully it 0:23:38.840 --> 0:23:42.320 will be for the betterment the communities most impacted by 0:23:42.440 --> 0:23:47.720 folks likely most likely to wear those shirts. So you know, 0:23:47.800 --> 0:23:51.000 there's your catch. Twenty two. We learned from Byron Allen 0:23:51.440 --> 0:23:54.040 that you you want to own the game, not the 0:23:54.080 --> 0:23:58.640 game piece, and so and just again, some fortunate sequence 0:23:58.680 --> 0:24:02.159 of events took place and ended up with sort of 0:24:02.200 --> 0:24:04.880 the hot topic of the day, this white Lives Matter thing, 0:24:04.920 --> 0:24:07.280 and you know, you can look it up yourself. You'll 0:24:07.280 --> 0:24:11.240 see Civic Cipher Studios address. Everything is all there, right, Yeah, 0:24:11.240 --> 0:24:14.560 what are your thoughts on just everything, Kanye from the 0:24:14.640 --> 0:24:16.879 last two weeks or so, It's been a rough two weeks. 0:24:17.440 --> 0:24:20.399 I'll let you jump on that. It's been a lot. Started. 0:24:20.560 --> 0:24:22.600 It started with the White Lives Matter thing, which it 0:24:22.720 --> 0:24:25.359 was like, Okay, this guy's I felt like he was 0:24:25.400 --> 0:24:28.639 just trolling for the wrong reasons, real hurtful. Yeah, but no, 0:24:28.640 --> 0:24:36.639 accually got some interesting thoughts. Drink Champs interviews, Wild Wild, Yeah, 0:24:37.760 --> 0:24:40.760 Kanye West is kind of the leader of a really 0:24:40.800 --> 0:24:44.399 really interesting movement right there. There's a time in the 0:24:44.480 --> 0:24:50.960 last several years where group think, right right, being contrarian 0:24:51.040 --> 0:24:55.959 to group think is being accepted as intelligence. If I 0:24:56.000 --> 0:24:58.000 just think the opposite of what everybody else is thinking, 0:24:58.000 --> 0:25:01.000 then I'm gonna just show everybody how how on top 0:25:01.040 --> 0:25:04.960 of it. I am no research, no studying, no information, 0:25:05.600 --> 0:25:09.000 just whatever everybody seems to be saying, say the opposite. 0:25:09.040 --> 0:25:10.680 I'm going to say the opposite, and I'm gonna show 0:25:10.680 --> 0:25:15.040 you guys how freethinking I am right, which isn't irresponsible 0:25:15.080 --> 0:25:18.240 if you just work down the street at Panda Express. 0:25:18.280 --> 0:25:19.840 And that's just what you want to get off your chest. 0:25:20.320 --> 0:25:22.439 But when you have this stature and the influence of 0:25:22.440 --> 0:25:25.520 someone like mister West, he's probably the most influential human 0:25:25.560 --> 0:25:30.000 being ever, it's grossly irresponsible. Yeah, and if you've noticed, 0:25:30.000 --> 0:25:33.239 he's developed a bit of a zealot following, where in 0:25:33.320 --> 0:25:36.840 their minds he can't do or say anything wrong, even 0:25:36.880 --> 0:25:41.199 if it's blatantly and fagrant, flagrantly untrue. We can't agree 0:25:41.200 --> 0:25:44.600 on what's facts anymore. I think people are just more 0:25:44.720 --> 0:25:47.800 likely to forgive Kanye because they love his music so much. Yeah, 0:25:47.840 --> 0:25:50.240 there's that, and they love his shoes and they But 0:25:51.200 --> 0:25:53.240 I feel like that only goes so far. And I 0:25:53.280 --> 0:25:55.480 think he might have hitten that. He might he might 0:25:55.480 --> 0:25:57.840 have hit that wall of like people. He has some 0:25:57.880 --> 0:26:00.240 people with him, though, keV that want to also be 0:26:00.320 --> 0:26:03.320 viewed as leaders of the in the free thought space. 0:26:04.200 --> 0:26:08.080 And they think that by again just bucking the trend, 0:26:08.520 --> 0:26:12.879 whatever I'm contrarian about in my circles and on Instagram 0:26:12.880 --> 0:26:15.879 and on Twitter, I can be viewed as free thinking 0:26:16.000 --> 0:26:19.720 and of a higher level of intelligence just by saying 0:26:19.760 --> 0:26:23.400 the opposite of whatever is popular. Accepted opinion, even when 0:26:23.720 --> 0:26:27.439 popular accepted opinion is based on fact. I'm just going 0:26:27.480 --> 0:26:29.000 to say the opposite so I can show you guys 0:26:29.040 --> 0:26:33.320 how woke and learn it I am. And he's the 0:26:33.440 --> 0:26:37.199 leader of that school, really really is. As you can see, 0:26:38.200 --> 0:26:42.600 I think he's with trying to come across as a leader. 0:26:42.600 --> 0:26:45.800 It's it's pretty wild. Well because technically he is a leader. 0:26:45.880 --> 0:26:48.119 The problem is is he doesn't carry himself like he 0:26:48.160 --> 0:26:52.320 has those responsibilities. And like you know, I think that 0:26:53.160 --> 0:26:55.840 some of the anti Semitic shit he's saying is crazy, 0:26:56.119 --> 0:27:00.880 so hurtful, it's just wild and so like he said, 0:27:00.920 --> 0:27:06.080 he had said something like Jewish people have controlled Black 0:27:06.200 --> 0:27:11.960 voices for so long and if you if you feel 0:27:11.960 --> 0:27:16.200 that way, can't you just say, black people, it's time 0:27:16.240 --> 0:27:21.640 we start controlling our voices without mentioning, without mentioning another. Absolutely, 0:27:21.960 --> 0:27:25.320 especially when you're the self proclaimed richest black man in 0:27:25.359 --> 0:27:29.800 the history of the United States, you, sir, can absolutely 0:27:30.400 --> 0:27:33.600 create that space where we own our own stories, our 0:27:33.600 --> 0:27:36.919 own voice, and our own platform. Like even with the 0:27:36.960 --> 0:27:41.920 Trump thing, like I understood what he was trying to do. 0:27:42.280 --> 0:27:44.320 He was trying to push the line that says, hey, 0:27:44.359 --> 0:27:46.959 the Democratic Party had been taking advantage of black voters 0:27:47.000 --> 0:27:49.800 this whole entire time. Let me show y'all you don't 0:27:49.800 --> 0:27:52.439 have to. Like when he really explained it out, I 0:27:52.480 --> 0:27:55.120 was like, well, I get the what he's trying to do, 0:27:55.240 --> 0:27:57.359 but the way he did it, you can do that 0:27:57.400 --> 0:27:59.800 without all. You could just say it or you could yeah, 0:27:59.800 --> 0:28:02.680 you could say it without looking like you're fucking you're 0:28:02.800 --> 0:28:05.240 hugg Like he looked like a kid who met his 0:28:05.240 --> 0:28:07.560 favorite celebrity. I mean he called the guy a father figure, 0:28:08.040 --> 0:28:10.600 like his dad, Like come on, dude, Yeah. And so 0:28:10.720 --> 0:28:17.120 I think like Kanye is just very He's just very 0:28:17.480 --> 0:28:21.120 The way he communicates what he thinks to be right 0:28:21.760 --> 0:28:25.480 is just so short sighted and it's just very. Like 0:28:26.240 --> 0:28:28.800 it's like, dude, like like the White Lives Matter thing, 0:28:28.960 --> 0:28:30.560 he's like, I think he what did he say? He 0:28:30.600 --> 0:28:34.840 said Black Lives Matter was a scam. There I ended it. 0:28:34.920 --> 0:28:40.600 And it's like, you could be very you know, critical 0:28:40.640 --> 0:28:44.360 of Black Lives Matter the organization as Kanye West, yes, 0:28:44.680 --> 0:28:47.840 and be and point out a lot of shit, but 0:28:47.960 --> 0:28:51.160 what is the point of doing that while also putting 0:28:51.160 --> 0:28:53.120 on a shirt that says white Lives Matter. I want 0:28:53.120 --> 0:28:56.360 to add to that though, because you know, I hear 0:28:56.360 --> 0:28:59.080 a lot of that stuff, you know, but for someone 0:28:59.280 --> 0:29:03.480 in that position, you have to bear in mind that, well, 0:29:03.520 --> 0:29:05.840 there's a bunch of different there's a bunch of different 0:29:05.840 --> 0:29:08.800 Black Lives Matter organization. Let me let me say this, okay, 0:29:08.800 --> 0:29:11.959 So I come from the tradition of so my teacher, 0:29:12.120 --> 0:29:15.200 doctor Camille Westerb. Yeah, you know her. Shout out doctor Westernburg, 0:29:15.200 --> 0:29:20.560 shout out doctor Westerberg made sure that I learned what 0:29:20.920 --> 0:29:22.880 movements look like, what struggles look like, you know what 0:29:22.920 --> 0:29:25.880 I mean. So we learned from the panthers, We learned 0:29:25.880 --> 0:29:30.560 from you know, all these these organizations, these individuals with 0:29:30.760 --> 0:29:34.760 groups and movements around them, you know, the Stokelyes, the Baldwin's, 0:29:34.800 --> 0:29:37.960 James Baldwin, all these folks, right, and these folks that 0:29:38.040 --> 0:29:43.720 had contrarian opinions that ran against what was popular in 0:29:43.720 --> 0:29:47.000 the country at the time. And you know, people used 0:29:47.040 --> 0:29:51.200 every trick in the book to frame folks as being this, 0:29:51.360 --> 0:29:54.760 that or the other, right, just because you know, these 0:29:54.800 --> 0:29:58.560 are information wars, right, it's a matter of influencing public opinion. 0:29:58.560 --> 0:30:00.840 If you can make doctor King look like the most 0:30:00.840 --> 0:30:03.400 evil human being who ever lived. Most when doctor King 0:30:03.520 --> 0:30:07.640 was like most people opposed his views. Most Now it's 0:30:07.640 --> 0:30:11.360 all good because he's been rebranded. Right. So I take 0:30:11.640 --> 0:30:15.320 when people talk bad about BLM the organization, I take 0:30:15.320 --> 0:30:17.560 that with a grain of salt. I also add to 0:30:17.600 --> 0:30:20.479 it that BLM has done a lot since Trayvon Martin 0:30:20.520 --> 0:30:23.360 died in twenty twelve. Right, It's been around since then, right, 0:30:23.440 --> 0:30:25.480 And they've done a lot of good things. And every 0:30:25.760 --> 0:30:29.520 organization deserves to be able to grow up. You know, 0:30:29.600 --> 0:30:32.760 the Kennedys, the great American family, they got their money. 0:30:32.800 --> 0:30:36.479 They got their start in prohibition. In Prohibition, I mean 0:30:36.520 --> 0:30:39.160 they were selling illegal products in the United States of America. 0:30:39.200 --> 0:30:41.000 That's how they got their money. We're able to attain 0:30:41.360 --> 0:30:46.080 political status in this country. And you know they say 0:30:46.160 --> 0:30:49.120 most every fortune is built on the back of the crime, 0:30:49.320 --> 0:30:52.800 or something like that. There's a popular saying, which I 0:30:52.840 --> 0:30:57.040 don't believe necessarily that BLM has done anything criminal. They've 0:30:57.080 --> 0:31:01.360 just done things that perhaps most folks don't agree with 0:31:01.440 --> 0:31:04.320 in terms of how things should be spent. Based on 0:31:04.360 --> 0:31:07.000 what I've read, they haven't like robbed any banks or 0:31:07.080 --> 0:31:08.680 killed any people or anything. Yeah, I just think that 0:31:08.720 --> 0:31:12.120 there's a lot of criticism, a lot of the victims 0:31:12.160 --> 0:31:18.440 that have obviously been highly publicized that has fueled their 0:31:18.480 --> 0:31:22.760 movements or have not reaped the benefits. Sure, and so 0:31:22.800 --> 0:31:25.360 where there's a lot of the higher ups in Black 0:31:25.400 --> 0:31:28.520 Lives Matter who are millionaires now that weren't millionaires prior, 0:31:28.880 --> 0:31:30.520 you're saying the same thing as me. So in terms 0:31:30.560 --> 0:31:32.880 of your opinion on how they spend money, you know 0:31:33.120 --> 0:31:35.720 it's not illegal, Like you said, they're not criminals, right, 0:31:35.840 --> 0:31:37.680 So who's to say? But you know, I know this. 0:31:38.080 --> 0:31:41.480 When Kanye West to be so critical of something without 0:31:41.600 --> 0:31:45.160 giving it context, without knowing himself, without having walked in 0:31:45.160 --> 0:31:48.360 those shoes, I feel like that's kind of a tough 0:31:48.440 --> 0:31:51.120 I remember reading a story about BLM, and I don't 0:31:51.120 --> 0:31:52.840 want to act like the great defender of Bilim, but 0:31:52.880 --> 0:31:54.560 I just don't hear the other side of it in 0:31:54.600 --> 0:31:57.440 the media. And because I've seen this in history, again, 0:31:57.480 --> 0:31:58.680 I take it with a grant of salt. But the 0:31:58.680 --> 0:32:01.520 other side of this is one of the stories that 0:32:01.560 --> 0:32:05.600 I've seen was BLM bought a house, a mansion, something 0:32:05.640 --> 0:32:08.720 like this. I was framed and then I had to 0:32:08.760 --> 0:32:10.800 do some investigation because obviously we do the show, I 0:32:10.840 --> 0:32:13.760 have to ever talk about it. Yeah, I did some investigation, 0:32:13.840 --> 0:32:16.640 and the way BLM was looking at that purchase was like, no, 0:32:16.760 --> 0:32:19.360 this was a facility. We have to have a place 0:32:19.360 --> 0:32:21.600 that's protected where they can't put bugs on the wall 0:32:21.640 --> 0:32:24.040 and tap stuff. We can't be renting a place. We can't, 0:32:24.080 --> 0:32:25.800 you know, we have to have something with a gate. 0:32:25.840 --> 0:32:28.160 We have to with certain requirements where we can house people, 0:32:28.240 --> 0:32:31.400 you know whatever. And this place afforded us all of 0:32:31.440 --> 0:32:34.480 these things that we needed. And so this was a 0:32:34.600 --> 0:32:37.600 reasonable purchase for a business like our, or for a 0:32:37.640 --> 0:32:41.920 movement organization like ours, and for anyone else that had 0:32:41.960 --> 0:32:45.400 an opinion prior to reading that article, they would look 0:32:45.400 --> 0:32:47.520 at it like, oh, okay, of course these black people 0:32:47.560 --> 0:32:50.280 got this money and now they're spending it. They're throwing 0:32:50.320 --> 0:32:52.600 parties or whatever. And that's the way the article framed it. 0:32:52.640 --> 0:32:55.560 But when you dig it one layer deeper, ask one 0:32:55.600 --> 0:32:58.160 person a question, and you get a little bit more context, 0:32:58.160 --> 0:33:00.760 you're like, Okay, that makes sense. It's entirely reasonable and 0:33:01.120 --> 0:33:05.360 it's not this nefarious operation. And so again, Kanye West 0:33:05.760 --> 0:33:07.880 or whoever else who has been critical, but you know, 0:33:07.920 --> 0:33:10.080 this is the person we're talking about right now. Him 0:33:10.160 --> 0:33:12.960 saying these things again is very hurtful. Because it's very 0:33:12.960 --> 0:33:16.960 easy to support someone black if you're the same Kanye 0:33:17.000 --> 0:33:18.960 West who goes on the news and says, George Bush 0:33:19.000 --> 0:33:21.120 doesn't care about black people. If these are my people 0:33:21.160 --> 0:33:23.800 out here, When my people go in the store, they 0:33:23.840 --> 0:33:26.200 say that they're looting. But when it's white people that 0:33:26.280 --> 0:33:28.320 go into the store. This is about Katrina, him talking 0:33:28.360 --> 0:33:31.160 about when white people go in the store, they're getting 0:33:31.200 --> 0:33:33.600 supplies because they're desperate. When my people go in the store, 0:33:33.880 --> 0:33:35.800 Kanye West said that, and then he said George Bush 0:33:35.840 --> 0:33:38.680 doesn't care about black people. I remember watching that. I 0:33:38.760 --> 0:33:41.200 remember watching that. So if that's the same person who 0:33:41.200 --> 0:33:44.120 can give a little bit of grace, an understanding and 0:33:44.240 --> 0:33:47.360 context to a conversation for him to then take it 0:33:47.400 --> 0:33:50.600 all away from BLM who's been active on the street. 0:33:50.600 --> 0:33:53.280 I haven't seen Kanye West in any protests, clearly, clearly 0:33:53.360 --> 0:33:56.080 not the same person though, But you're sure, But you 0:33:56.080 --> 0:33:57.960 know I'm holding him to that standard that he set 0:33:58.000 --> 0:34:01.760 for himself. Right, I've seen since twenty twelve, I've been 0:34:01.800 --> 0:34:04.800 at the library right with these people, in small little 0:34:04.840 --> 0:34:08.160 meetings with doctor Westernberg. Because I'm the person on the 0:34:08.280 --> 0:34:10.760 radio in my city. Hey, we gotta stop the interview. 0:34:10.800 --> 0:34:12.919 Real quick to tell you about our partners at odd 0:34:13.080 --> 0:34:16.960 Socks are presenting sponsor here at the Bootleg Hit podcast. Listen, 0:34:17.080 --> 0:34:19.839 Christmas times approaching faster than you think. I mean, we're 0:34:19.880 --> 0:34:21.440 like fucking a month and a half away or some 0:34:21.440 --> 0:34:24.920 shit whatever. Get some odd socks for your folks. Go 0:34:24.960 --> 0:34:28.320 to odd socksofficial dot com, use the promo code Bootleg, 0:34:28.640 --> 0:34:30.799 and you'll save twenty percent off at checkout. The most 0:34:30.840 --> 0:34:35.120 comfortable socks in the world. 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Ye. So there's like a Black Lives Matter LA. 0:35:21.640 --> 0:35:23.600 There's a Black Lives Matter Phoenix Mester, It's a Black 0:35:23.640 --> 0:35:27.200 Lives Matter. So all of those are very like separate 0:35:27.239 --> 0:35:30.080 from I think. I think, I think you can't just 0:35:30.200 --> 0:35:33.080 paint the whole thing with one brush. But I do 0:35:33.120 --> 0:35:35.360 think that in the same way we're talking, like Cannice 0:35:35.400 --> 0:35:38.839 Owens is capitalizing off of everything she's looking at it through, 0:35:38.840 --> 0:35:39.960 I think a lot of people are doing it on 0:35:39.960 --> 0:35:42.839 the other side too. Sure, Sure, I listen, that's it's 0:35:42.880 --> 0:35:45.080 not impossible that these things because I know this. I 0:35:45.160 --> 0:35:47.200 just talked to Killer Mike. So I call Killer Mike 0:35:47.239 --> 0:35:48.640 and I'm like, yeah, where I donate my money? And 0:35:48.680 --> 0:35:51.240 if Killer Mike tells me, don't donate it there, donate 0:35:51.280 --> 0:35:54.440 it here, I'm like, cool, Listen. I just talked to 0:35:54.480 --> 0:35:56.960 doctor Camille Westenberg, and I tell you what. If somebody 0:35:57.040 --> 0:35:59.080 comes down my street and says, hey, we would like 0:35:59.120 --> 0:36:03.000 to acquire the federal trademark to create and produce and 0:36:03.080 --> 0:36:06.919 sell anything that says white Lives Matter on it, I 0:36:07.000 --> 0:36:10.080 know that the NAACP is ready and willing to receive 0:36:10.120 --> 0:36:12.560 a check from Civic Cipher lerc You know what I'm saying. 0:36:12.920 --> 0:36:14.440 And then I know some people, like you said, there 0:36:14.440 --> 0:36:16.759 are local chapters, the people that I've seen do the work, 0:36:16.800 --> 0:36:20.319 the people that inspired Civic Cipher. There's a woman named 0:36:20.440 --> 0:36:23.520 Zara Tacola. You know, I love her that she's my shiro. 0:36:23.960 --> 0:36:26.239 You know what she's doing. She has a five oh 0:36:26.320 --> 0:36:31.400 one C three. They do grassroots work in Arizona, and 0:36:31.600 --> 0:36:33.879 you know nationally, she has a national profile. I would 0:36:33.920 --> 0:36:36.200 love to donate money to her because I believe in her, 0:36:36.200 --> 0:36:38.080 you know her. I was going to say, if people 0:36:38.400 --> 0:36:41.960 want to help out, how do they vet where they 0:36:41.960 --> 0:36:45.160 should put their money. Well, you can start by donating 0:36:45.160 --> 0:36:48.200 the Civic Cipher. You can get civiccipher dot com because 0:36:48.200 --> 0:36:51.040 we are on it. I've risked my whole career to 0:36:51.480 --> 0:36:53.759 bring some like I was the man I was doing 0:36:53.800 --> 0:36:56.040 my thing. You know what I'm saying, keV, I'm telling 0:36:56.080 --> 0:36:57.880 you like I got to convince you. But you know 0:36:58.000 --> 0:37:01.960 we was there together, right, But yeah, I'm I'm I. 0:37:02.000 --> 0:37:06.080 We have a segment on our show called Baba Become 0:37:06.120 --> 0:37:09.160 a Better Ally, right. It's it comes from one of 0:37:09.160 --> 0:37:11.759 the African languages means father as well, so sort of 0:37:11.800 --> 0:37:14.439 a reference to like guidance or whatever become a better 0:37:14.480 --> 0:37:19.920 ally and that segment we often talk about the NAACP right, 0:37:20.000 --> 0:37:26.800 So it's the oldest, most established organization that that moves 0:37:26.840 --> 0:37:29.760 in such a way to try to create more opportunities 0:37:29.800 --> 0:37:35.200 and more political strength for impoverished communities Black and brown. 0:37:35.280 --> 0:37:37.120 You know, I do believe we we do believe in 0:37:37.280 --> 0:37:39.880 unity between all marginalized groups of people. So you'll see me. 0:37:39.920 --> 0:37:42.200 You're hear me say black and brown a lot. But 0:37:42.280 --> 0:37:45.840 I also mean, you know, our AAPI brothers and sisters, 0:37:45.920 --> 0:37:50.280 I mean our Native brothers and sisters, Indigenous brothers and sisters, 0:37:50.280 --> 0:37:52.640 our l g B, t q I A plus brothers 0:37:52.680 --> 0:37:55.880 and sisters. Anybody nailed it. If you were born, if 0:37:55.920 --> 0:37:57.880 you feel like you were born with a strike against you, 0:37:58.160 --> 0:38:00.440 and you want to join a movement where love is 0:38:00.480 --> 0:38:02.600 at the center of the conversation, where we are trying 0:38:02.640 --> 0:38:05.439 to make sure everybody has a voice and it's heard 0:38:05.440 --> 0:38:10.360 and it's protected, and there's equality as far as we 0:38:10.400 --> 0:38:12.719 can take that, then that's the movement that you want 0:38:12.760 --> 0:38:15.680 to be on. And we didn't ask to be in 0:38:15.680 --> 0:38:17.839 this position again, you know, with all these stations carrying 0:38:17.840 --> 0:38:20.440 our message around this whole entire country. But now that 0:38:20.480 --> 0:38:24.000 we're here, there's an even greater responsibility to be true 0:38:24.040 --> 0:38:26.799 to it. And you know, if they bury my son's 0:38:26.840 --> 0:38:28.440 carry me on my last day and they bury me 0:38:28.480 --> 0:38:30.040 in the ground. And the last thing I did was 0:38:30.200 --> 0:38:32.440 record an episode of Civic Cipher, I'd still say this 0:38:32.560 --> 0:38:36.440 was a life well lived. Has there been anything because 0:38:36.440 --> 0:38:39.160 I know you guys were doing some conversations about like 0:38:39.280 --> 0:38:42.680 the vaccine and obviously there's a lot of hesitancy within 0:38:42.719 --> 0:38:45.880 the you know, black and brown community to get the vaccine. Sure, 0:38:47.200 --> 0:38:49.479 it turns out a lot of the hesitancy was maybe 0:38:49.520 --> 0:38:56.200 well warranted. Maybe I I never found that to be 0:38:56.360 --> 0:39:01.360 true in the the the studies that I've done well. 0:39:01.400 --> 0:39:02.680 I was going to ask, like, if you guys do 0:39:02.719 --> 0:39:05.080 an episode on something and then kind of like the 0:39:05.120 --> 0:39:12.319 facts evolve, Oh yeah, we have. It's beyond revisiting, because 0:39:12.320 --> 0:39:15.960 that's important. Out we were wrong, we have he say that. 0:39:16.719 --> 0:39:18.319 I think that's important too, because a lot of people 0:39:18.360 --> 0:39:20.560 wouldn't do that. I want to say before we move 0:39:20.600 --> 0:39:25.560 on with Lives Matter, right, before we move on from that, 0:39:27.120 --> 0:39:32.560 Black Lives Matter is a statement that is true, that 0:39:32.719 --> 0:39:36.120 is true, correct, and a lot of the reason why 0:39:36.200 --> 0:39:37.920 you know RAMS did not go back and forth. I 0:39:37.920 --> 0:39:40.319 don't do a lot of the apologizing or explaining on 0:39:40.400 --> 0:39:45.200 behalf of the organization because Kevin Quentin and Ramses can 0:39:45.239 --> 0:39:50.000 be scrutinized, Our LLCs can be scrutinized, our companies can 0:39:50.040 --> 0:39:54.840 be scrutinized and be wrong and make mistakes. Black lives matter, period, 0:39:54.960 --> 0:39:59.160 as a statement is true. So I don't even have 0:39:59.239 --> 0:40:03.080 to talk about dot org right, right, and all of 0:40:03.120 --> 0:40:09.600 the other lives matter statements came just to oppose the 0:40:09.719 --> 0:40:13.160 statement black lives matter. Yeah, I was just talking to 0:40:13.200 --> 0:40:14.799 Akon about it, and that's what I was saying. I 0:40:14.800 --> 0:40:16.640 was like, you know, the origin of this was because 0:40:16.800 --> 0:40:19.279 obviously black lives don't matter as much as everyone else 0:40:19.400 --> 0:40:22.920 is correct. So it's like, black lives matter as a 0:40:22.960 --> 0:40:27.319 statement is one true, and Kanye's got to be smart 0:40:27.440 --> 0:40:33.439 enough to realize the connotations that white like white lives matter. 0:40:34.000 --> 0:40:36.799 No one was saying that, but now they're saying it 0:40:36.880 --> 0:40:41.080 to combat an obvious The same with black eyes on 0:40:41.120 --> 0:40:43.680 the matter, the same with all lives matter. It was 0:40:43.840 --> 0:40:47.919 those statements were born just to oppose the statement black 0:40:47.960 --> 0:40:51.320 lives matter, not to oppose the organization or anything wrong 0:40:51.440 --> 0:40:55.640 that they did. Right. So that's why it hits the 0:40:55.680 --> 0:40:58.400 way that it does, because we know where those statements 0:40:58.480 --> 0:41:01.720 were born from, why they were even created, why people 0:41:01.800 --> 0:41:05.600 say them. They say them to stand in opposition to 0:41:05.719 --> 0:41:09.640 the statement that black people's lives are important and that 0:41:09.680 --> 0:41:13.640 they're worthy of existing, worthy of equality. You know, during 0:41:13.719 --> 0:41:18.160 breast cancer Awareness Month, we don't argue that multiple sclerosis 0:41:18.320 --> 0:41:20.799 is also worth talking about. We don't do that when 0:41:20.840 --> 0:41:23.239 it saved the wells, we don't talk about well the 0:41:23.280 --> 0:41:26.560 birds aren't migrating like. We don't do that with anything else, 0:41:27.600 --> 0:41:29.480 you know what I mean. So the reason why I 0:41:29.520 --> 0:41:32.759 get so disappointed and passionate and angry about it is 0:41:32.800 --> 0:41:36.160 because of what you said. He's smart enough to know that, 0:41:36.600 --> 0:41:41.560 and still rides this horse of really not just division, 0:41:42.719 --> 0:41:51.480 but intentional attention mongering for statements that are flagrantly opposed 0:41:51.560 --> 0:41:54.799 to something so simple in its nature. Right, if you're 0:41:54.840 --> 0:41:57.920 such a free thinker, how come if we check the 0:41:58.000 --> 0:42:01.120 boxes on the points that you make, they line up 0:42:02.200 --> 0:42:06.879 so accurately and in such perfect alignment with white supremacist agendas, 0:42:07.520 --> 0:42:12.120 with aligning yourself with people like homegirl who for the 0:42:12.200 --> 0:42:16.520 dollar get on the mic and say anything with dude 0:42:16.520 --> 0:42:19.400 in the red hat, like you can make your free 0:42:19.400 --> 0:42:24.160 thinking statements without having to then attach yourself to things 0:42:24.160 --> 0:42:27.759 that are so opposed to our children being able to 0:42:27.760 --> 0:42:31.440 go to school and be okayum, you know what I'm saying. 0:42:31.960 --> 0:42:34.400 That's why I get so passionate and upset about it. 0:42:34.440 --> 0:42:37.520 My kids are black and Mexican and you wearing the 0:42:37.560 --> 0:42:40.160 MAGA hat for the dude whose whole campaign was build 0:42:40.160 --> 0:42:42.359 a wall to keep Mexican people out, like dog are 0:42:42.680 --> 0:42:47.160 really fam So George Bush hates black people, it doesn't 0:42:47.200 --> 0:42:49.279 care about black people, and that was your stance, but 0:42:49.400 --> 0:42:53.120 now white lives matter and you know you're trolling. And 0:42:53.160 --> 0:42:56.239 then on the very very wild Drinks you know drink, 0:42:57.200 --> 0:43:02.799 he tripled down on his anti Semitic rhetoric Like really, bro, Yeah, yeah, 0:43:03.040 --> 0:43:06.360 it's rough, especially to me. To me, the craziest Kanye 0:43:06.360 --> 0:43:10.040 ship was the George flood ship, bro. And for what Yeah, 0:43:10.080 --> 0:43:13.440 and then your your source material on that is a 0:43:13.520 --> 0:43:17.000 Canvas owned documentary the lady who's been so she's gone 0:43:17.000 --> 0:43:19.480 out of her way since the man died to tell 0:43:19.560 --> 0:43:22.600 us how awful he was, as if that makes the 0:43:22.600 --> 0:43:27.240 fact that the man killed him Okay, right, it doesn't 0:43:27.239 --> 0:43:32.160 matter all Like they say, all lives matter. Yeah, well 0:43:32.400 --> 0:43:34.239 so does the guy who had a drug problems live 0:43:34.360 --> 0:43:37.120 matter who has a bad criminal. 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And you know when we're talking about uh, 0:46:15.640 --> 0:46:19.240 Candice Owens and Kanye West and those people, that those 0:46:19.320 --> 0:46:22.600 things break down their entire argument, you know what I mean. 0:46:22.600 --> 0:46:25.279 It's like, there's no grace, there's no nothing. If you 0:46:25.280 --> 0:46:27.480 are black, if you're brown, if you had a problem, 0:46:27.520 --> 0:46:29.359 if you made a mistake, whatever, it's held over your 0:46:29.400 --> 0:46:33.600 head and as though it's now justified for you to 0:46:33.640 --> 0:46:35.799 be dead, you know, And that's not the way the 0:46:35.960 --> 0:46:38.000 legal system in this country works. That's not the way 0:46:38.239 --> 0:46:40.520 it's supposed to things should work. You know. You deserve 0:46:40.560 --> 0:46:42.359 to have a full life, make your mistakes and learn 0:46:42.400 --> 0:46:44.960 from them. I think obviously, just taking Candice Owns and 0:46:45.000 --> 0:46:47.719 Kanye West out of the conversation, I think that the 0:46:47.840 --> 0:46:52.560 extreme of each side does extremely wild ship. Yes, sure, sure, 0:46:52.560 --> 0:46:56.919 I'll give you that. That is very that just kind 0:46:56.920 --> 0:46:59.799 of like turn like every each side turns each other 0:46:59.840 --> 0:47:02.120 off in a way that there it removes any new 0:47:02.280 --> 0:47:05.839 nuance to any middle ground in reality. Well it's it's 0:47:05.880 --> 0:47:09.560 it's two different realities. And it's also like on each 0:47:09.640 --> 0:47:13.839 side like common sense is just gone. So it's like 0:47:14.320 --> 0:47:18.880 now it's like, okay, where are the conversation's happening for 0:47:19.000 --> 0:47:21.200 people to kind of meet in the middle on some 0:47:21.239 --> 0:47:23.560 of these issues. And I'm not saying like issues in 0:47:23.640 --> 0:47:26.879 terms of like obviously police brutality, everybody should agree that's 0:47:26.880 --> 0:47:28.840 fucked up, But there's a lot of ship that like 0:47:29.080 --> 0:47:31.040 I would say most people if you were to take 0:47:31.040 --> 0:47:35.839 the craziest like wild fucking Trump supporter, and you would 0:47:35.880 --> 0:47:40.200 take like you know the wildest No, not you, not you. 0:47:40.880 --> 0:47:43.440 I mean like you know, so much further extremes than us, 0:47:43.520 --> 0:47:47.000 the wilder. We're much closer to the middle. Yeah, Like 0:47:47.040 --> 0:47:50.040 the extreme left ship is pretty wild, and it gives 0:47:50.080 --> 0:47:52.359 like the entire left like such a batter is and 0:47:52.400 --> 0:47:55.359 the same way that you know, uh, the crazy right 0:47:55.360 --> 0:48:00.560 wing people. It just makes uh nuance and conversation almost obsolete. 0:48:01.160 --> 0:48:06.200 And in terms of like not being able to I 0:48:06.280 --> 0:48:08.959 feel like the tribal aspect of it is so bad 0:48:09.040 --> 0:48:11.240 to where it's like, Okay, well we think this over here, 0:48:11.280 --> 0:48:14.759 so we think this over here. Like the vaccine thing 0:48:14.800 --> 0:48:16.360 to me was like one of those things that was 0:48:16.360 --> 0:48:19.839 so crazy because I saw people getting demonized for not 0:48:19.880 --> 0:48:22.480 wanting to do something to their own body, and I'm like, 0:48:23.239 --> 0:48:25.080 this is crazy. This is not a right wing or 0:48:25.160 --> 0:48:28.120 left wing thing. This is a personal decision. So not 0:48:28.120 --> 0:48:30.839 I'm vaccinated. But what you said that's important. You asked 0:48:30.920 --> 0:48:35.160 us about having to correct. We have to apologize with haste. Right, 0:48:35.200 --> 0:48:38.920 if we say something that it's the next show has 0:48:39.000 --> 0:48:41.640 to be the first thirty minutes got to be about that, right, 0:48:41.680 --> 0:48:45.239 we had we it's required or our show is shit, right, 0:48:45.719 --> 0:48:48.040 Like what are you guys talking about this last week? 0:48:48.080 --> 0:48:51.080 And it was trash? Y'all never addressed it again, Like yeah, right, 0:48:51.520 --> 0:48:54.640 but what you just said is the bar of this 0:48:54.719 --> 0:48:59.719 whole thing. The nuance doesn't exist anymore. It's all extreme 0:49:00.680 --> 0:49:03.440 or not. When I was a kid and Reagan was 0:49:03.440 --> 0:49:06.640 the president, my mom did not agree with his politics, 0:49:07.120 --> 0:49:09.800 but her friends at work that did, they weren't beefing 0:49:10.280 --> 0:49:16.160 because there's points and platforms that political people campaign on, 0:49:16.880 --> 0:49:19.319 and for most of those they're extreme because that's how 0:49:19.320 --> 0:49:23.520 they get their BaseT. But in the middle there used 0:49:23.560 --> 0:49:27.239 to be shit that everybody agreed was good. Yes, that 0:49:27.280 --> 0:49:30.279 does not exist anymore. So you bring up the vaccine. 0:49:30.440 --> 0:49:37.480 We're interviewing an epidemiologist, right. She can tell you, without 0:49:37.600 --> 0:49:40.240 any hesitation, straight to your face, that we all should 0:49:40.239 --> 0:49:43.720 have got vaccinated. That does not mean that one hundred 0:49:43.719 --> 0:49:47.080 percent of people that get vaccinated will live long, healthy lives. 0:49:47.640 --> 0:49:51.359 But that's how it would be dissected. One hundred people 0:49:51.400 --> 0:49:55.000 got vaccinated, seventy of them got sick, passed away, whatever, 0:49:55.520 --> 0:49:58.799 And now that's the vaccine's fault, and that's just not 0:49:58.920 --> 0:50:01.879 how any vaccine. I think the problem with that back 0:50:01.960 --> 0:50:04.880 from yeah, you're right, I think the problem with the 0:50:04.960 --> 0:50:07.279 vaccine was that it was introduced as like an end all, 0:50:07.280 --> 0:50:08.960 be all, like what you get this, You're good, and 0:50:08.960 --> 0:50:11.640 then they kept introducing more shots, and then on top 0:50:11.680 --> 0:50:14.800 of that, they were withholding the fact that if you 0:50:14.880 --> 0:50:17.600 already had COVID, that it was actually better than getting 0:50:17.600 --> 0:50:20.440 the vaccine. Let me let me make sure that I 0:50:20.520 --> 0:50:24.080 paint this picture with you, Kevin. Yeah, the political landscape 0:50:24.080 --> 0:50:27.400 of the country at that time was that every single 0:50:27.520 --> 0:50:30.680 thing that made headlines had to be politicized and sold. 0:50:30.840 --> 0:50:34.239 And it still is. That just a problem. So like 0:50:34.840 --> 0:50:38.200 to me, like I would I got vaccinated, but I 0:50:38.239 --> 0:50:40.680 was like, I'm not getting boosted, like at all. I'm 0:50:40.680 --> 0:50:44.640 straight not getting boosted. I've had COVID fucking twice. I'm vaccinated. 0:50:45.040 --> 0:50:49.720 I'm good. But my kid who's sixteen, is like, dad's 0:50:49.760 --> 0:50:53.920 a trumper, he's an anti vaxxer. And I'm like, what 0:50:53.960 --> 0:50:58.520 do you mean, I'm a healthy thirty you're all so reasonable? Yeah, right, 0:50:58.880 --> 0:51:02.600 most people aren't reason And I don't know when that 0:51:02.640 --> 0:51:06.080 part happened. That's my I think it happened. I think 0:51:06.080 --> 0:51:08.640 Trump is who really turned up each side. Now you 0:51:08.680 --> 0:51:13.359 see why I don't rock with buddy. Yeah, that's Trump. 0:51:13.600 --> 0:51:17.040 Trump definitely did that. And I think that like he 0:51:17.120 --> 0:51:20.600 made it to where he made everything tribal, and it 0:51:20.640 --> 0:51:23.200 was already tribal, he was already tribal, but he made 0:51:23.200 --> 0:51:26.560 it crazy different. Yeah, and and I just think that, like, 0:51:26.680 --> 0:51:29.680 uh yeah, I don't know, man, I just we're in 0:51:29.719 --> 0:51:32.799 a place where politically, like each side is bat shit 0:51:32.880 --> 0:51:35.920 crazy at times. You know, I can I can say 0:51:36.000 --> 0:51:37.839 Joe Biden has done some good ship. I don't say 0:51:37.840 --> 0:51:39.719 he's done some bad ship. But you should be able 0:51:39.760 --> 0:51:42.000 to say that. You should be critical of anybody who's 0:51:42.040 --> 0:51:45.000 in charge the problem, especially that scene. You should be 0:51:45.080 --> 0:51:48.200 hyper critical, right, Like I voted for Joe Biden. I 0:51:48.239 --> 0:51:50.640 also think he's like not a great president. Now, is 0:51:50.640 --> 0:51:53.560 he a better president than Trump would have been on 0:51:53.760 --> 0:51:56.320 most things? Yes, on the things that are most important 0:51:56.360 --> 0:51:58.040 to me. I want to say this too, because you 0:51:58.080 --> 0:51:59.839 said something. I don't want the narrative to get out 0:51:59.840 --> 0:52:03.880 there the wrong way. Okay, we watched you and me, 0:52:04.120 --> 0:52:07.680 we watched the presidential election in twenty sixteen. Yeah, I 0:52:07.719 --> 0:52:10.440 voted for Bernie Sanders. Yeah, yes, And I want to 0:52:10.440 --> 0:52:13.080 make sure that you said that because you said aiden 0:52:13.560 --> 0:52:15.520 your son thought that you might be a Trump or 0:52:15.560 --> 0:52:17.080 something like that. Kevin is not a Trump or we 0:52:17.120 --> 0:52:18.440 will no, no, no no, no, no no no. I mean 0:52:18.440 --> 0:52:21.280 I voted for Joe Biden, and I hate Joe Biden. 0:52:21.640 --> 0:52:24.520 Nobody listening might think like that. Listen, Joe Biden was 0:52:24.560 --> 0:52:26.879 the worst candidate that the Democrats ran, and I still 0:52:26.960 --> 0:52:29.120 voted for his I know, I know, but I want 0:52:29.120 --> 0:52:31.279 to make sure people out there listening know that you 0:52:31.640 --> 0:52:34.719 never voted for Trump at all. That was no, of 0:52:34.719 --> 0:52:37.400 course no. But I just think that like, for example, 0:52:37.560 --> 0:52:40.680 like if Trump does something good when he was president, 0:52:41.440 --> 0:52:44.040 if he did something good, be like, oh yeah, I 0:52:44.080 --> 0:52:46.640 agree with this. That doesn't mean you agree with him 0:52:46.880 --> 0:52:49.640 or you're a Republican or you love him, right, And 0:52:49.760 --> 0:52:55.600 then it's that part, right, it's people subscribed to him, 0:52:56.040 --> 0:52:59.680 the person, right, it's the leader who couldn't It's like 0:52:59.719 --> 0:53:02.239 the it's like the Kanye shit. But just you know, 0:53:02.280 --> 0:53:04.360 for white people, I had people like DM and me 0:53:04.880 --> 0:53:07.600 in defense of this. They met No. I'm like yo, 0:53:07.600 --> 0:53:09.600 I'm like yo, I know you and your kids crazy. 0:53:09.640 --> 0:53:12.520 You're upset with me because I said something about this man. 0:53:12.560 --> 0:53:15.440 That's true that you've never met, that doesn't care about you, 0:53:15.560 --> 0:53:19.000 that you don't know, like people really really subscribe to 0:53:19.080 --> 0:53:21.280 him on like a zealot. I think that the Trump 0:53:21.320 --> 0:53:24.880 thing got so out of hand that it got everyone 0:53:24.920 --> 0:53:28.319 else so much out of character that now if you're 0:53:28.360 --> 0:53:32.600 on the conservative side of the aisle, now you can 0:53:32.640 --> 0:53:35.640 point at the other aisle and be like, well, you 0:53:35.680 --> 0:53:40.080 guys did this. You guys purposely like the Hunter Biden 0:53:40.120 --> 0:53:42.200 shit is kind of like a black eye on media 0:53:42.600 --> 0:53:48.759 because they purposely withheld a real story collectively Twitter, Facebook, 0:53:49.120 --> 0:53:52.080 New York Times came out in admitted it. It's and 0:53:52.120 --> 0:53:55.040 like the left shouldn't be doing that, right, we would 0:53:55.239 --> 0:53:57.560 we know one should be doing nobody. But what I'm 0:53:57.560 --> 0:54:00.680 saying is like Trump was so crazy that it really 0:54:00.680 --> 0:54:03.680 felt like if he gets re elected, we don't know 0:54:03.719 --> 0:54:07.480 what's going to happen, it can get bad. That it 0:54:07.680 --> 0:54:12.759 made everyone else stooped to his level. Yeah, and now 0:54:13.040 --> 0:54:17.239 everyone's hands are dirty. Yeah, now that on the right, 0:54:17.320 --> 0:54:20.720 once he showed that there was no line he wouldn't cross. 0:54:21.120 --> 0:54:23.400 That's what I'm saying. So it's like now it's like, Okay, 0:54:24.640 --> 0:54:29.840 I mean I hope that obviously, you know, there's somebody 0:54:29.880 --> 0:54:33.960 who runs besides Joe Biden. That's you know, younger and 0:54:34.640 --> 0:54:36.440 more able. What up, y'all, We gotta stop the interview 0:54:36.440 --> 0:54:38.520 real quick. Tell you about our good friends at my Bookie. 0:54:38.560 --> 0:54:40.600 That's right, man. 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But Gavin Newsom also like destroyed like most 0:55:51.560 --> 0:55:54.040 small businesses in California, Like all the restaurants I was 0:55:54.080 --> 0:55:57.359 going to, they're all closed, and it was all kind 0:55:57.360 --> 0:56:01.000 of and you look like Florida's death rates were not 0:56:01.440 --> 0:56:04.680 any I think if it's a Newsom verse DeSantis, Newsom 0:56:04.719 --> 0:56:07.840 is gonna have a hard time in that debate. Well, 0:56:08.400 --> 0:56:10.520 I would like it to be one of the things 0:56:10.520 --> 0:56:12.600 that I will say. I would rather it be them 0:56:12.600 --> 0:56:15.359 too than Trump and who yes, yes, as long as 0:56:15.960 --> 0:56:22.600 Trump is not in the cards. Literally anything else more damaging. 0:56:22.800 --> 0:56:24.600 I just think it sucks because, like you would think 0:56:24.640 --> 0:56:27.520 Kamala Harris would have taken the opportunity to like be 0:56:28.600 --> 0:56:33.560 the next person, but like she's not gonna win. She's 0:56:33.640 --> 0:56:36.279 kind of faded to the background. For the truth is, 0:56:36.320 --> 0:56:38.440 like I said, these media awards, now that we're playing 0:56:38.440 --> 0:56:42.160 this media game, we understand exactly how media works and 0:56:42.200 --> 0:56:46.839 how it shapes optics around people. You know, I went 0:56:46.920 --> 0:56:52.560 from loving Kamala to despising her, to loving her and 0:56:52.640 --> 0:56:54.959 cheering for her to despising her, and I realized looking 0:56:55.000 --> 0:56:56.719 back on all that, I'm like, Okay, so when she 0:56:56.760 --> 0:56:58.640 got elected, this was great, and then she was like 0:56:59.360 --> 0:57:01.920 imprisoning black people's doing that before she got a let 0:57:02.560 --> 0:57:03.600 But you know, I'm trying to say, I'm trying to 0:57:03.640 --> 0:57:06.080 tell the story about how no, no no, no, I mean 0:57:06.280 --> 0:57:08.319 that she becomes the VP, and then it's like, oh, 0:57:08.760 --> 0:57:13.120 that's why it's important to have nuanced conversations. And then 0:57:13.120 --> 0:57:16.280 this is why there's a show called Breaking Points on YouTube. 0:57:16.320 --> 0:57:18.600 It's like a kind of like an old school conservative 0:57:18.640 --> 0:57:21.800 young dude and an old school like liberal lady. And 0:57:21.840 --> 0:57:24.600 the shows like they just do the news and then 0:57:24.600 --> 0:57:26.520 at the end they each give their take, so like 0:57:26.560 --> 0:57:29.640 if you want to watch like the their opinion on something, 0:57:30.040 --> 0:57:32.640 they'll find one thing to kind of like. But it's like, 0:57:33.280 --> 0:57:35.400 like you said, the media is weaponized in such a 0:57:35.400 --> 0:57:38.720 crazy way. Now to do they find the middle ground? Yeah, 0:57:38.840 --> 0:57:41.800 or they just agree to disagree, But which is Okay? 0:57:41.880 --> 0:57:45.200 You were saying something though, the way the media space 0:57:45.320 --> 0:57:48.800 is right now in our with with the opportunity that 0:57:48.840 --> 0:57:52.040 we have with Civic Cipher, in the conversations that we 0:57:52.040 --> 0:57:55.240 can have, we understand that we both kind of share 0:57:55.280 --> 0:57:58.439 similar views, but we also recognize that there are other 0:57:58.560 --> 0:58:01.480 people we call them brothers and sisters and we mean 0:58:01.520 --> 0:58:04.840 that who may not agree with us, but we have 0:58:04.960 --> 0:58:08.439 to get a message to them in a meaningful way 0:58:08.440 --> 0:58:11.000 that they will receive them. And war fire and Brimstone 0:58:11.040 --> 0:58:13.200 is not going to do that. That's why. You know, 0:58:13.200 --> 0:58:16.480 it's a topic that I think like people, and I'm 0:58:16.560 --> 0:58:22.520 obviously pro choice, but how dare you no? But this 0:58:22.600 --> 0:58:25.080 is the thing, right, is like if someone if someone 0:58:25.160 --> 0:58:29.000 isn't pro choice, that means that they literally think that 0:58:29.080 --> 0:58:34.160 abortion is murder. So if they literally think that, then 0:58:34.160 --> 0:58:36.760 you have to respect that they don't want it to happen. 0:58:37.920 --> 0:58:40.200 But the problem is is if someone says that they 0:58:40.520 --> 0:58:43.920 are against abortion, then they all of a sudden they 0:58:43.960 --> 0:58:47.480 hate women, you know what I'm saying. But the problem 0:58:47.560 --> 0:58:49.560 is what you said though most of the people that 0:58:49.680 --> 0:58:51.760 come out on the other side of it. Because if 0:58:51.800 --> 0:58:54.280 I'm going to approach you, let's talk about the vaccine. Right. 0:58:54.440 --> 0:58:58.280 If I'm going to approach you as anti vaccine or 0:58:58.480 --> 0:59:02.280 pro If I cannot have an intelligent, simple conversation with 0:59:02.320 --> 0:59:04.840 you on either side of it, then what am I doing? 0:59:05.320 --> 0:59:06.800 And my thing is is I don't even think it's 0:59:06.800 --> 0:59:09.480 worth having a conversation with people who are anti abortion 0:59:09.640 --> 0:59:12.400 because they literally think it's murder. Yeah, so if you 0:59:12.520 --> 0:59:18.560 think something is murder, then I get it. So I 0:59:18.600 --> 0:59:21.280 was describing sort of the temperament of our show, and 0:59:21.360 --> 0:59:23.240 I think that this point so I appreciate. I think 0:59:23.240 --> 0:59:28.720 this point helps us illustrate it. If someone has, like 0:59:28.760 --> 0:59:32.120 for instance, you mentioned the vaccine, If someone has an 0:59:32.120 --> 0:59:34.160 opinion on what they're going to do with their body, 0:59:34.160 --> 0:59:36.640 that sort of thing, we have to respect that, and 0:59:36.680 --> 0:59:38.400 I get it. We of course, on the show, we 0:59:38.480 --> 0:59:42.240 recommended that you know, community's hardest hit by COVID R 0:59:42.840 --> 0:59:45.479 take the vaccine. We had taken the vaccine, We both 0:59:45.480 --> 0:59:47.320 had COVID. You know, we understood sort of what we're 0:59:47.400 --> 0:59:49.560 up against, and we did our due diligence in terms 0:59:49.560 --> 0:59:54.760 of the research right at the time. So making those 0:59:54.760 --> 0:59:58.960 recommendations or having those conversations were not necessarily rooted in 0:59:59.040 --> 1:00:03.400 someone else's a pressure. Right, we have conversations on our show. 1:00:03.520 --> 1:00:05.480 You know what I mean. You can have your difference 1:00:05.520 --> 1:00:10.000 of political beliefs, right, and I'll allow you those beliefs 1:00:10.280 --> 1:00:13.160 provided they are not rooted in my oppression. So when 1:00:13.160 --> 1:00:16.080 it comes to the abortion issue, which is a woman's issue, 1:00:16.080 --> 1:00:19.000 so none of us in theory should be great champions, 1:00:19.040 --> 1:00:22.000 are great voices in that space. But in terms of 1:00:22.120 --> 1:00:24.040 we all have women that we love in our lives, 1:00:24.040 --> 1:00:25.800 and you know, we have platforms, and so we have 1:00:25.880 --> 1:00:29.240 to kind of walk that line as best we can, 1:00:30.600 --> 1:00:35.080 recognizing that other people have their opinions on what needs 1:00:35.120 --> 1:00:37.200 to happen if a woman is pregnant and does not 1:00:37.240 --> 1:00:42.000 want to have the baby. Those opinions, in theory, they 1:00:42.040 --> 1:00:44.960 should only exist provided they're not rooted in the oppression 1:00:45.360 --> 1:00:50.120 of some other group of people. And if you can 1:00:50.160 --> 1:00:54.360 make the case that I'm pro abortion or I'm sorry 1:00:54.440 --> 1:00:59.840 pro life, pro life exactly, and women look at that like, well, 1:00:59.840 --> 1:01:03.680 that decision is rooted in my oppression, that that decision 1:01:03.720 --> 1:01:06.440 oppresses me, It limits what it is that I can 1:01:06.440 --> 1:01:09.240 do with my own body. I am a free, freestanding 1:01:09.320 --> 1:01:12.760 human being endowed with consciousness from those people, though it 1:01:12.800 --> 1:01:17.120 doesn't matter, it's not just her body, whatever, whatever. But 1:01:17.800 --> 1:01:19.960 the thing is when we have these conversas I guess 1:01:20.000 --> 1:01:22.160 what I'm saying is like what we were talking about earlier, right, 1:01:22.520 --> 1:01:25.920 if like, if someone tells me that their pro pro life, like, 1:01:26.440 --> 1:01:29.280 I'm not going to just assume that they're a terrible person. 1:01:29.560 --> 1:01:32.320 But in terms of column is is like if like 1:01:32.600 --> 1:01:35.640 if if somebody came out and said I'm pro or 1:01:35.640 --> 1:01:39.800 I'm pro life, right, they automatically get this whole entire right, 1:01:39.880 --> 1:01:41.560 And then that's what I'm saying. We don't have to 1:01:41.560 --> 1:01:44.840 write people off. That's politics, but we too though for sure, 1:01:44.960 --> 1:01:46.360 well let me let me finish. We don't have to 1:01:46.360 --> 1:01:49.280 write people off for feeling how they feel. But we 1:01:49.320 --> 1:01:55.240 cannot give equal footing if someone else's opinion is rooted 1:01:55.240 --> 1:01:57.400 in the oppression of someone else by the nature of 1:01:57.440 --> 1:02:00.320 our show, because that has been used to a press 1:02:00.560 --> 1:02:03.640 black people since black people arrived on these shores, that 1:02:03.760 --> 1:02:07.520 formula that format, and so we buy by the by 1:02:07.560 --> 1:02:10.160 the virtue of the show that we do the nature 1:02:10.200 --> 1:02:12.280 of the show. We cannot we cannot do that. So 1:02:12.560 --> 1:02:14.640 if someone else has a separate opinion, we have to 1:02:15.000 --> 1:02:17.000 still call them our brothers and our sisters who have 1:02:17.040 --> 1:02:20.520 a different opinion. We do our best to illustrate their 1:02:20.560 --> 1:02:25.000 points on our show, and oftentimes those points have value, 1:02:25.040 --> 1:02:28.160 their credible points, they do not reflect the reality that 1:02:28.400 --> 1:02:32.160 I mean. Listen, my thing is is if someone's religious, right, yeah, religious, great? 1:02:32.160 --> 1:02:35.840 One religious is like, yo, I think that the baby's 1:02:35.880 --> 1:02:38.320 being murdered, So you want me to co sign that. 1:02:38.840 --> 1:02:40.640 I personally am an atheist. So I don't give a 1:02:40.640 --> 1:02:42.240 fuck about none of that, you know what I'm saying. 1:02:42.280 --> 1:02:45.040 I don't care like smoke them as long no, as 1:02:45.040 --> 1:02:48.200 long as it's a certain obviously, even in a certain range. 1:02:48.200 --> 1:02:51.080 I think the late term of bridge is crazy. But 1:02:52.160 --> 1:02:54.000 I just think that like it's like it's it's kind 1:02:54.000 --> 1:02:55.200 of like back to what I was saying about the 1:02:55.240 --> 1:02:59.000 vaccine thing, where it's like, yo, like there's nurses who 1:02:59.040 --> 1:03:03.200 are heroes during the pandemic who got fired because they 1:03:03.200 --> 1:03:07.960 wouldn't get vaccinated and guess what they were, right, So 1:03:08.120 --> 1:03:10.360 you're talking about something I don't know about. So there's 1:03:10.440 --> 1:03:15.480 actual nurses, people who work in hospitals job. I just 1:03:15.520 --> 1:03:19.400 have not come across that story myself or those there's 1:03:19.440 --> 1:03:22.400 people who lost their job. Listen, I know that again 1:03:22.480 --> 1:03:24.320 there's this and this is the point we're making there's 1:03:24.360 --> 1:03:28.760 credible conversations, there's credible ideas and beliefs on both sides. 1:03:29.360 --> 1:03:31.960 On the Black Information Network Daily podcast, it's a show 1:03:32.000 --> 1:03:34.480 that I do every day. I have a maybe twice 1:03:34.480 --> 1:03:37.160 a week feature that I do. It's called One More Thing. 1:03:37.360 --> 1:03:39.160 So check that out at bion news dot com or 1:03:39.160 --> 1:03:42.200 iHeart dot com. You'll see me. I'm the one with 1:03:42.240 --> 1:03:48.120 the afro next to Katie Curic. Anyway, on that platform, 1:03:48.480 --> 1:03:51.200 when I do that show, I say something that I 1:03:51.240 --> 1:03:53.440 believe really works in this space. And this is sort 1:03:53.480 --> 1:03:55.360 of the temperament we have on Civic Cipher as well. 1:03:56.080 --> 1:03:59.880 I say, listen, I don't profess to be right. I 1:04:00.360 --> 1:04:03.200 would love to hear you our listener's thoughts on this, 1:04:03.600 --> 1:04:05.760 and maybe somewhere in the middle will find our way 1:04:05.760 --> 1:04:10.800 together forward, our way forward together. Right. And so this 1:04:10.960 --> 1:04:13.600 is kind of the formula that we have to have 1:04:13.760 --> 1:04:16.320 bear in mind. On Civic Cipher. We have to take 1:04:17.200 --> 1:04:23.520 a show that is talking to music programmers and ask 1:04:23.600 --> 1:04:25.840 them to turn the music off for an hour a week. 1:04:26.200 --> 1:04:28.040 Sometimes they bury in the middle of the night. That's fine, 1:04:28.040 --> 1:04:30.760 We'll take it. But we have to convince these people 1:04:31.360 --> 1:04:35.440 to let us have conversations in spaces where they don't exist. 1:04:35.800 --> 1:04:38.840 And in doing that, we have to bear in mind 1:04:38.880 --> 1:04:45.080 that these people's opinions, these oftentimes wealthy white men, their 1:04:45.120 --> 1:04:48.680 opinions politically may differ from ours. And yet and still 1:04:48.960 --> 1:04:51.800 they may listen to this show, and we need them 1:04:52.120 --> 1:04:56.280 to recognize that their opinion is at least being represented. 1:04:56.920 --> 1:04:59.880 It will be challenged, but it will be represented in 1:05:00.000 --> 1:05:02.640 we will do our best to represent their opinion fairly, 1:05:03.080 --> 1:05:05.080 and we will not be unfair. That's just the thing 1:05:05.120 --> 1:05:08.000 that we do, you know. Obviously, having some sort of 1:05:08.160 --> 1:05:11.800 conversation is just I feel like we do that as 1:05:11.800 --> 1:05:14.600 often can we get guests. The troubling thing and I 1:05:14.640 --> 1:05:17.160 hate to keep saying the word nuanced, but Kevin said it, 1:05:17.200 --> 1:05:21.000 and it's important. Right. If I'm a fireman and I 1:05:21.040 --> 1:05:24.200 no longer believe in the science that water puts fire out, 1:05:24.560 --> 1:05:26.800 I can't be a fireman anymore. If I'm on the 1:05:26.840 --> 1:05:29.840 clergy and I go to seminary and some sciencest convinces 1:05:29.840 --> 1:05:32.120 me that parts of the Bible are untrue, then I 1:05:32.120 --> 1:05:34.880 can't sit on the clergy anymore. If you are a 1:05:34.920 --> 1:05:39.120 medical professional, doctor, nurse, and you don't believe in the 1:05:39.280 --> 1:05:43.400 science of medicine, then you probably shouldn't be a nurse anymore, right, 1:05:43.720 --> 1:05:47.960 your job in that space. Yeah, but the science of medicine, 1:05:49.000 --> 1:05:51.400 the science of that vaccine has been changed so much 1:05:51.480 --> 1:05:55.880 on the CDC websites, and there's like monoclonal antibodies and 1:05:56.200 --> 1:05:59.560 there's a lot of shit that they purposely withheld in 1:05:59.600 --> 1:06:03.400 some of the states that science wise. If I'm a 1:06:03.520 --> 1:06:05.960 nurse and I'm like, yo, well, the science says if 1:06:06.000 --> 1:06:09.960 you have had COVID then you're more safe than if 1:06:09.960 --> 1:06:13.640 you get the vaccine, then you can practice. So my 1:06:13.720 --> 1:06:16.000 thing is that they're right. But my thing is is, 1:06:16.040 --> 1:06:19.640 like with the with the vaccine thing, just you could 1:06:19.680 --> 1:06:21.920 just go through and look at the way CDC changed 1:06:22.080 --> 1:06:24.480 their ship from like week to week, so the science 1:06:24.760 --> 1:06:27.360 changed over and over and over. You can provide data 1:06:27.560 --> 1:06:31.000 on both sides of that point, and that's wind and 1:06:31.040 --> 1:06:34.280 boosted and whatever. There might have been some very harmful 1:06:34.280 --> 1:06:38.000 effects to that with Kevin that were not right. No, 1:06:38.120 --> 1:06:40.160 And I think that that's why it's like, Okay, like 1:06:40.480 --> 1:06:43.280 this isn't a one size fits all thing. With the vaccine, 1:06:43.320 --> 1:06:45.120 it wasn't a one size fits all thing, and that's 1:06:45.120 --> 1:06:47.800 how it was sold to the people listen. On our show, 1:06:47.880 --> 1:06:50.880 we said listen. If you are a healthy person, you 1:06:50.920 --> 1:06:53.080 know whatever, you can make these decisions. If you are 1:06:53.280 --> 1:06:56.439 a person, if you're elderly, if you're old, no, for sure, 1:06:56.640 --> 1:07:01.200 then if you have our recommendation have been provided. Though, 1:07:01.680 --> 1:07:04.040 like in all things, is the choice to do whichever 1:07:04.080 --> 1:07:08.560 one you that you want it. And there's the difference 1:07:08.600 --> 1:07:12.840 in saying if you are a person that's at risk, 1:07:12.960 --> 1:07:17.240 you should get the vaccine versus saying no one should 1:07:17.400 --> 1:07:20.920 because there might be I also think the person. That's 1:07:21.000 --> 1:07:23.439 the difference of saying if you're a person at risk, 1:07:24.240 --> 1:07:27.040 you should get it, as opposed to saying you have 1:07:27.160 --> 1:07:28.880 to get it. Correct. That's what I said. When you 1:07:28.880 --> 1:07:32.840 tell people they have to do something, they're gonna be like, wait, what, no, 1:07:32.880 --> 1:07:36.080 we we had to do that. Listen now at this point, 1:07:36.160 --> 1:07:38.480 it's it's different from cutting a brake, you know, thirty 1:07:38.480 --> 1:07:40.880 second break, talking up a ramp into you know some 1:07:40.960 --> 1:07:43.040 new you know, little baby record or something like that, 1:07:43.080 --> 1:07:45.080 where you're not talking about the stakes aren't that high. 1:07:45.520 --> 1:07:48.720 When you're having conversations that are life and death about 1:07:48.760 --> 1:07:52.200 police killing people, for sure, political political, you can't just 1:07:52.240 --> 1:07:55.120 have thods you have to. You have to, and then 1:07:55.160 --> 1:07:57.440 you have to bear in mind that other people have 1:07:57.560 --> 1:08:00.000 a different vantage point. This is something that I learned, 1:08:00.120 --> 1:08:04.360 but had to learn even deeper lives doing this show, 1:08:05.240 --> 1:08:08.080 and we feel like we are setting up a formula 1:08:08.080 --> 1:08:10.640 and a template, one that will carry into Hip Hop 1:08:10.640 --> 1:08:12.880 Weekly magazine, one that will carry into other spaces. On 1:08:12.920 --> 1:08:15.520 the Black Information Network Daily podcast, they told you exactly 1:08:15.600 --> 1:08:18.759 the temperament that I have. Where listen, somewhere in the middle, 1:08:19.040 --> 1:08:21.719 we'll find our way forward. Okay, of course, you don't 1:08:21.760 --> 1:08:24.000 have to be me. I'm not a trump person, I'm 1:08:24.040 --> 1:08:25.640 not a Conye, you don't have to do it like me. 1:08:26.040 --> 1:08:30.479 But listen, listen what I'm saying, and cooler heads will prevail. 1:08:30.880 --> 1:08:35.160 There's reasonable there's logic and reason on this side of 1:08:35.200 --> 1:08:37.120 the argument. And even if you don't come all the 1:08:37.160 --> 1:08:40.479 way over, you'll least see if you allow me the same, 1:08:40.560 --> 1:08:43.760 If you listen with open ears and recognize that I 1:08:43.800 --> 1:08:47.320 am a human being endowed with consciousness from our common creator. 1:08:47.479 --> 1:08:49.240 I am just like you. I want my sons to 1:08:50.439 --> 1:08:52.040 watch me grow old and then bury me at the 1:08:52.120 --> 1:08:54.160 end of my life. Of course, if you want that 1:08:54.200 --> 1:08:55.800 and I want that, then we have more in common 1:08:55.840 --> 1:08:58.240 than we have in one hundred percent of difference. And 1:08:58.320 --> 1:09:01.080 so you can listen to my vantage point, my perspective, 1:09:01.160 --> 1:09:03.800 my reality. I can share it with you and then 1:09:03.880 --> 1:09:06.760 in the middle because I have no problem compromising. This 1:09:06.800 --> 1:09:09.040 is something black people are very good at, especially in 1:09:09.040 --> 1:09:12.240 this country's history. Listen, we don't need everything. We don't 1:09:12.240 --> 1:09:15.360 need it, We don't need much soon. We just need 1:09:15.400 --> 1:09:18.080 to keep moving in the right direction. We let our 1:09:18.120 --> 1:09:20.320 brothers and sisters who are in power controlling a lot 1:09:20.320 --> 1:09:22.519 more than we are at the time, catch up with 1:09:22.680 --> 1:09:24.160 where we're going. You know what I mean. But we 1:09:24.240 --> 1:09:26.519 have found our way through a lot of the muck 1:09:26.960 --> 1:09:30.439 that this country was born out of, and civic cipher 1:09:30.520 --> 1:09:33.760 I believe continues in that tradition with the help of 1:09:34.240 --> 1:09:37.400 you know, our listeners, with the help of you know, 1:09:37.439 --> 1:09:39.640 the people that support us along the way. Kevin you 1:09:40.200 --> 1:09:44.679 included you know, uh, doctor Westenberg consults with us. Shout 1:09:44.720 --> 1:09:47.479 out Chris Thompson from the Black Information Network, Shout out 1:09:47.520 --> 1:09:49.800 Tony Cults from Black Information Network. Shout out you know 1:09:49.840 --> 1:09:52.320 all the programs around the country that carry our show 1:09:52.560 --> 1:09:54.519 and the programmers that are flirting with carrying our show 1:09:54.560 --> 1:09:56.599 as well, you know, we are going to do our 1:09:56.680 --> 1:09:58.960 best to continue to do right by everyone, and as 1:09:59.000 --> 1:10:02.360 soon as we learn something new that conflicts with something old, 1:10:02.560 --> 1:10:04.720 we will address it. And if we learn something new 1:10:04.760 --> 1:10:07.519 that informs our path forward, we will do our best 1:10:07.560 --> 1:10:09.880 to guide the folks that listen to us that way. 1:10:09.880 --> 1:10:12.960 But you need to believe in the heart and the 1:10:13.000 --> 1:10:15.560 temperament and the tone of the show in order to 1:10:15.640 --> 1:10:17.479 ride this way with us. But we feel like we 1:10:17.479 --> 1:10:19.760 are committing our lives to a cause that will make 1:10:20.720 --> 1:10:23.920 significant changes for all of us, not just black and 1:10:23.960 --> 1:10:25.880 brown people, but all of us, because we do feel 1:10:25.880 --> 1:10:29.519 that our brothers and sisters from the Caucasian tribe deserve 1:10:30.160 --> 1:10:32.640 to learn how to be the best version of themselves 1:10:32.760 --> 1:10:35.320 right as they possibly can be. They deserve that, and 1:10:35.360 --> 1:10:37.519 if we can show them what that looks like from 1:10:37.560 --> 1:10:40.719 our perspective, then we feel like they welcome that too. 1:10:40.960 --> 1:10:43.720 This is why we're on the air in Massachusetts and 1:10:44.960 --> 1:10:48.080 you know, shoot Vermont right places that you know what 1:10:48.080 --> 1:10:50.880 I'm saying, where there's not you know, Mississippi it makes sense, 1:10:50.920 --> 1:10:53.920 you know Louisiana, you know New Orleans that makes sense 1:10:54.320 --> 1:10:57.080 at you know, those make sense. But you know places 1:10:57.080 --> 1:10:59.080 where people are really like, hey, we'd love to carry 1:10:59.080 --> 1:11:01.040 the show. It's because of those type of people as well, 1:11:01.080 --> 1:11:03.800 So shout out to them. If you are listening to 1:11:03.840 --> 1:11:05.760 my voice, you are my sister. If you're listening to 1:11:05.800 --> 1:11:08.080 my voice and my brother, we are. 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