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Speaker 1: Blueleg Kap Podcast Special guests in here, my guy Q,

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Speaker 1: my guy ramses a civic cipher up. For people who

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Speaker 1: don't know what civic cipher is, ramsis, I'll let you

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Speaker 1: educate the people civic cipher is. You should put the

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Speaker 1: mic in front of you too, ra. It is a

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Speaker 1: radio show that exists to give the hip hop community

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Speaker 1: a little bit more insight into the goings on politically

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Speaker 1: activist element that moves to create a better day to

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Speaker 1: day life for black and brown, marginalized, impoverish communities, et cetera.

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Speaker 1: What was the inspiration for starting the show? Really, it

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Speaker 1: was twenty twenty, you know, folks getting out on the

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Speaker 1: street and protesting. You know, let us know that there

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Speaker 1: was a gap in there was a gaping hole in

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Speaker 1: the media space. Yes, I remember that. Anyway, tell me

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Speaker 1: more about the gaping hole. No, no, I'm not going

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Speaker 1: to tell you about that. You should talk about that anyway.

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Speaker 1: There was a gaping hole in the media space. Sure, sure,

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Speaker 1: and in the media space. You know, uh, we are

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Speaker 1: both DJs and broadcasters. I'm talking to you like you

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Speaker 1: don't notice. You got to tell everybody else for people

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Speaker 1: who don't know Rams is like my best friend in

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Speaker 1: the entire world, best man on my wedding. Yes, you

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Speaker 1: know I've known Kevin since he was three years old. Yes,

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Speaker 1: so the reason bootleg keV is all into hip hop,

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Speaker 1: this is true. It's all him. It's all his fault.

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Speaker 1: It's literally his fault, his fault. We used to play

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Speaker 1: guys when we were little, you know, little toys, not

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Speaker 1: play with guys. That was what you called it. You

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Speaker 1: called it guys guys like action figures, action figures. Yes,

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Speaker 1: so lifelong friend, that's friend. But but yeah, that in

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Speaker 1: the media space, there wasn't anyone talking about what was

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Speaker 1: going on in the streets, no one giving a voice

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Speaker 1: to the movement, no one talking about, you know what

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Speaker 1: explaining the concepts defund police. How do we you know,

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Speaker 1: create programs to kind of mitigate you know, economic you know,

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Speaker 1: instability and and and you know, bring just an activist

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Speaker 1: element to the to the airwaves. We was just if

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Speaker 1: you would have turned on the radio at the time,

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Speaker 1: it was just rapping and dancing and singing and fashion

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Speaker 1: and there. It was just very like, uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: obviously in radio there's not a lot of uh, time

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Speaker 1: or space to really dive into those conversations right and

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Speaker 1: outside of service level things, right. And so that's exactly

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Speaker 1: what we pushed back against because you know, it's it's

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Speaker 1: one thing. Q Q says it a lot better, but

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Speaker 1: I'll try to get you started. It's one thing to

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Speaker 1: you know, profit from black culture because you know, a

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Speaker 1: lot of folks at the top, they didn't really look

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Speaker 1: like the community that who's culture. Mostly nobody at the

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Speaker 1: top there you go, mostly mostly exactly, So a lot

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Speaker 1: of them people were benefiting from it, but they didn't

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Speaker 1: on the street. And we fought against that, uh, that balance,

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Speaker 1: and so you know, yes, we take a moment, we

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Speaker 1: have conversations. We educate not just black and brown people,

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Speaker 1: but everybody who communities right, anybody listens to hip hop.

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Speaker 1: We figured they can be an ally to black and

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Speaker 1: brown communities. They need to understand the conversations and struggles,

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Speaker 1: the challenges. And then by having those conversations long form

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Speaker 1: in spaces where people are because it's hard for folks

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Speaker 1: to seek out programs like ours if you're we don't

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Speaker 1: seek out you know, Vietnamese program and no disrespect, but

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Speaker 1: I don't feel like it's creative for me. So I

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Speaker 1: don't expect you know, non black people to seek out

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Speaker 1: what would be considered black programming. They don't feel like

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Speaker 1: it's for them. So by putting it in the media

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Speaker 1: space where hip hop music can consume, black culture is consumed,

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Speaker 1: it feels, in our opinion, feels a little bit more

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Speaker 1: accessible for our listeners. And so this is how we've

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Speaker 1: been able to connect with you know, radio stations around

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Speaker 1: the country, listeners around the country. It's also available in

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Speaker 1: podcasts form, sure, absolutely absolutely, So you know we've been

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Speaker 1: doing that. We've been doing in since then. Of course,

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Speaker 1: Heeart Media, has reached out and they've kind of tapped

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Speaker 1: been it's been a wild ride, but you know, making

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Speaker 1: the interesting thing, keV, is that our initial push wasn't

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Speaker 1: We weren't trying to jump, you know, in front of

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Speaker 1: sure your mike's turned down a little to tell the story.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, we just thought somebody should, right. So when

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Speaker 1: because well they were also owns the Beat trademark, so

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Speaker 1: they had to change the whole situation. But and we

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Speaker 1: can talk about that too, But we were in the streets, Kevin,

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Speaker 1: you noticed more than more than a lot of people

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Speaker 1: when everything was happening in twenty twenty, a lot of

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Speaker 1: people were outside with their skids, with their families, like, listen,

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Speaker 1: there's some things that are going on that have been

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Speaker 1: so many things they could have said back to us

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Speaker 1: the chin and run with, like, Hey, you guys, great idea,

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Speaker 1: we don't want to do anything divisive. Hey guys, wonderful

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Speaker 1: he said, more specifically, was we don't want to do

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Speaker 1: a black show. Wow. And the reason why that part

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Speaker 1: a hip hop station, Yes, but it's a hip hop station,

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Speaker 1: a hip hop station that plays nothing, nothing but black music.

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Speaker 1: Sell in real estate? Like every other bum ass PD

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Speaker 1: they said it, right. So I wrote my resignation letter,

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Speaker 1: But I did make one phone call before I posted that,

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Speaker 1: the emotion that goes into that. And I didn't know

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Speaker 1: And I posted, posted, yeah, posted it and then got

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Speaker 1: And then of course the podcast partnership with iHeart helped

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Speaker 1: We're not going to do a black show on the

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Speaker 1: the wild shit happening. Speaking of that, you own white

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Speaker 1: Lives Matter, indeed, yeah, so uh so for people who

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Speaker 1: don't know. So this is the other part. You you

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Speaker 1: technically own the term white Lives matter, the trademark. That's

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Speaker 1: a federal trademark that applies to the whole United States.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, if you were to go and look it up,

431
00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:07,760
Speaker 1: it's owned by Civic Cipher LLC. We acquired the trademark

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Speaker 1: from an individual in our orbit who procured that and

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Speaker 1: then also filed for All Lives Matter federally because they

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Speaker 1: weren't trademarked funnily enough. And so this person did that

435
00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:27,880
Speaker 1: and wanted to ensure that the right people would benefit

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Speaker 1: from those sayings, and we ultimately ended up acquiring it

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Speaker 1: through our lawyer Morris. So now we are the deciders

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Speaker 1: of who profits from those terms white lives matter and

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00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:45,920
Speaker 1: all lives Matter. So if you ever see any individual

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Speaker 1: selling that shirt, it's either illegal or they had to

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Speaker 1: come down to our street and knock on our door

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Speaker 1: and we had to negotiate the terms of that cell.

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Speaker 1: So when are you assuing Kanye West. Well, if Kanye

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Speaker 1: West or any other person decides to sell because he

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00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:08,719
Speaker 1: hasn't sold any he hasn't sold those yet, right, and

446
00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:12,880
Speaker 1: so he decides to sell something, you know he will

447
00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:14,800
Speaker 1: either have to get clearance or he has to face

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00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:17,240
Speaker 1: our trademark attorneys. Because I saw he was just giving

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Speaker 1: away the shirts and skid row. He was just passing

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Speaker 1: him out the homeless through that. And then that's that's

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00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:24,720
Speaker 1: totally fine. But in terms of profiting off of a

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Speaker 1: statement that is intended to dilute the significance and the

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Speaker 1: thrust of a statement as affirming as black lives matter,

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Speaker 1: the right people should decide who gets money off of that,

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Speaker 1: who gets money off of that? Exactly, if you wanted

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Speaker 1: to affirm for yourself that white lives matter in your

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Speaker 1: own path through life, that is your right you can make.

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Speaker 1: You can paint it on your shirt, no one can

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Speaker 1: stop fight. But if you as soon as you want

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Speaker 1: to sell it, you are infringing on Civic Cipher LLC's

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Speaker 1: federally protected trademark and you will be suedow. Yes, you

462
00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:05,080
Speaker 1: can look at us any lawsuits yet. No, no, no,

463
00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:06,879
Speaker 1: we just sent out seas and desists to people that

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Speaker 1: were selling bootleg versions of that stuff. Oh I didn't

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Speaker 1: send them out the lawyers, did we know, we're not lawyers.

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Speaker 1: Somebody sent was selling fake white Lives Matter shirts. Oh yeah, yeah,

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00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:17,000
Speaker 1: yeah people so and then the ausest matter to Once

468
00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:19,040
Speaker 1: that comes back, you know, the cnds go out and

469
00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:21,600
Speaker 1: then you know, if you ever do see a person

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Speaker 1: selling them again, they came and they knocked on our door.

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Speaker 1: We worked it out, or we choose to donate that

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00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:33,679
Speaker 1: money whatever. If we choose to donate that to certain

473
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Speaker 1: organizations or whatever, then that is our right and we

474
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Speaker 1: can decide how that money gets spent, and hopefully it

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Speaker 1: will be for the betterment the communities most impacted by

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Speaker 1: folks likely most likely to wear those shirts. So you know,

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Speaker 1: there's your catch. Twenty two. We learned from Byron Allen

478
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Speaker 1: that you you want to own the game, not the

479
00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:58,640
Speaker 1: game piece, and so and just again, some fortunate sequence

480
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Speaker 1: of events took place and ended up with sort of

481
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:04,880
Speaker 1: the hot topic of the day, this white Lives Matter thing,

482
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:07,280
Speaker 1: and you know, you can look it up yourself. You'll

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Speaker 1: see Civic Cipher Studios address. Everything is all there, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: what are your thoughts on just everything, Kanye from the

485
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:16,879
Speaker 1: last two weeks or so, It's been a rough two weeks.

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Speaker 1: I'll let you jump on that. It's been a lot. Started.

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Speaker 1: It started with the White Lives Matter thing, which it

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00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:25,359
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, this guy's I felt like he was

489
00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:28,639
Speaker 1: just trolling for the wrong reasons, real hurtful. Yeah, but no,

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Speaker 1: accually got some interesting thoughts. Drink Champs interviews, Wild Wild, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Kanye West is kind of the leader of a really

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Speaker 1: really interesting movement right there. There's a time in the

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Speaker 1: last several years where group think, right right, being contrarian

494
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Speaker 1: to group think is being accepted as intelligence. If I

495
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:58,000
Speaker 1: just think the opposite of what everybody else is thinking,

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Speaker 1: then I'm gonna just show everybody how how on top

497
00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:04,960
Speaker 1: of it. I am no research, no studying, no information,

498
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:09,000
Speaker 1: just whatever everybody seems to be saying, say the opposite.

499
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:10,680
Speaker 1: I'm going to say the opposite, and I'm gonna show

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Speaker 1: you guys how freethinking I am right, which isn't irresponsible

501
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:18,240
Speaker 1: if you just work down the street at Panda Express.

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00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:19,840
Speaker 1: And that's just what you want to get off your chest.

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00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:22,439
Speaker 1: But when you have this stature and the influence of

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00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:25,520
Speaker 1: someone like mister West, he's probably the most influential human

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00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:30,000
Speaker 1: being ever, it's grossly irresponsible. Yeah, and if you've noticed,

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00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:33,239
Speaker 1: he's developed a bit of a zealot following, where in

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00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:36,840
Speaker 1: their minds he can't do or say anything wrong, even

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00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:41,199
Speaker 1: if it's blatantly and fagrant, flagrantly untrue. We can't agree

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Speaker 1: on what's facts anymore. I think people are just more

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Speaker 1: likely to forgive Kanye because they love his music so much. Yeah,

511
00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:50,240
Speaker 1: there's that, and they love his shoes and they But

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Speaker 1: I feel like that only goes so far. And I

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00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:55,480
Speaker 1: think he might have hitten that. He might he might

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Speaker 1: have hit that wall of like people. He has some

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Speaker 1: people with him, though, keV that want to also be

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Speaker 1: viewed as leaders of the in the free thought space.

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00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 1: And they think that by again just bucking the trend,

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Speaker 1: whatever I'm contrarian about in my circles and on Instagram

519
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:15,879
Speaker 1: and on Twitter, I can be viewed as free thinking

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00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:19,720
Speaker 1: and of a higher level of intelligence just by saying

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00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:23,400
Speaker 1: the opposite of whatever is popular. Accepted opinion, even when

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00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:27,439
Speaker 1: popular accepted opinion is based on fact. I'm just going

523
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:29,000
Speaker 1: to say the opposite so I can show you guys

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Speaker 1: how woke and learn it I am. And he's the

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00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:37,199
Speaker 1: leader of that school, really really is. As you can see,

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Speaker 1: I think he's with trying to come across as a leader.

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Speaker 1: It's it's pretty wild. Well because technically he is a leader.

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Speaker 1: The problem is is he doesn't carry himself like he

529
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Speaker 1: has those responsibilities. And like you know, I think that

530
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:55,840
Speaker 1: some of the anti Semitic shit he's saying is crazy,

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00:26:56,119 --> 00:27:00,880
Speaker 1: so hurtful, it's just wild and so like he said,

532
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 1: he had said something like Jewish people have controlled Black

533
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:11,960
Speaker 1: voices for so long and if you if you feel

534
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:16,200
Speaker 1: that way, can't you just say, black people, it's time

535
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:21,640
Speaker 1: we start controlling our voices without mentioning, without mentioning another. Absolutely,

536
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:25,320
Speaker 1: especially when you're the self proclaimed richest black man in

537
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 1: the history of the United States, you, sir, can absolutely

538
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 1: create that space where we own our own stories, our

539
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:36,919
Speaker 1: own voice, and our own platform. Like even with the

540
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:41,920
Speaker 1: Trump thing, like I understood what he was trying to do.

541
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 1: He was trying to push the line that says, hey,

542
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:46,959
Speaker 1: the Democratic Party had been taking advantage of black voters

543
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 1: this whole entire time. Let me show y'all you don't

544
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:52,439
Speaker 1: have to. Like when he really explained it out, I

545
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:55,120
Speaker 1: was like, well, I get the what he's trying to do,

546
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:57,359
Speaker 1: but the way he did it, you can do that

547
00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 1: without all. You could just say it or you could yeah,

548
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:02,680
Speaker 1: you could say it without looking like you're fucking you're

549
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 1: hugg Like he looked like a kid who met his

550
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 1: favorite celebrity. I mean he called the guy a father figure,

551
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 1: like his dad, Like come on, dude, Yeah. And so

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00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:17,120
Speaker 1: I think like Kanye is just very He's just very

553
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:21,120
Speaker 1: The way he communicates what he thinks to be right

554
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 1: is just so short sighted and it's just very. Like

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00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 1: it's like, dude, like like the White Lives Matter thing,

556
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 1: he's like, I think he what did he say? He

557
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 1: said Black Lives Matter was a scam. There I ended it.

558
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 1: And it's like, you could be very you know, critical

559
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 1: of Black Lives Matter the organization as Kanye West, yes,

560
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 1: and be and point out a lot of shit, but

561
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 1: what is the point of doing that while also putting

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00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 1: on a shirt that says white Lives Matter. I want

563
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 1: to add to that though, because you know, I hear

564
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 1: a lot of that stuff, you know, but for someone

565
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:03,480
Speaker 1: in that position, you have to bear in mind that, well,

566
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 1: there's a bunch of different there's a bunch of different

567
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 1: Black Lives Matter organization. Let me let me say this, okay,

568
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:11,959
Speaker 1: So I come from the tradition of so my teacher,

569
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 1: doctor Camille Westerb. Yeah, you know her. Shout out doctor Westernburg,

570
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 1: shout out doctor Westerberg made sure that I learned what

571
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 1: movements look like, what struggles look like, you know what

572
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 1: I mean. So we learned from the panthers, We learned

573
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 1: from you know, all these these organizations, these individuals with

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Speaker 1: groups and movements around them, you know, the Stokelyes, the Baldwin's,

575
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 1: James Baldwin, all these folks, right, and these folks that

576
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 1: had contrarian opinions that ran against what was popular in

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00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 1: the country at the time. And you know, people used

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00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 1: every trick in the book to frame folks as being this,

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00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 1: that or the other, right, just because you know, these

580
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 1: are information wars, right, it's a matter of influencing public opinion.

581
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Speaker 1: If you can make doctor King look like the most

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Speaker 1: evil human being who ever lived. Most when doctor King

583
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 1: was like most people opposed his views. Most Now it's

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00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 1: all good because he's been rebranded. Right. So I take

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00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:15,320
Speaker 1: when people talk bad about BLM the organization, I take

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Speaker 1: that with a grain of salt. I also add to

587
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:20,479
Speaker 1: it that BLM has done a lot since Trayvon Martin

588
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 1: died in twenty twelve. Right, It's been around since then, right,

589
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 1: And they've done a lot of good things. And every

590
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 1: organization deserves to be able to grow up. You know,

591
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 1: the Kennedys, the great American family, they got their money.

592
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:36,479
Speaker 1: They got their start in prohibition. In Prohibition, I mean

593
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 1: they were selling illegal products in the United States of America.

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Speaker 1: That's how they got their money. We're able to attain

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Speaker 1: political status in this country. And you know they say

596
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 1: most every fortune is built on the back of the crime,

597
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 1: or something like that. There's a popular saying, which I

598
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 1: don't believe necessarily that BLM has done anything criminal. They've

599
00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 1: just done things that perhaps most folks don't agree with

600
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 1: in terms of how things should be spent. Based on

601
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 1: what I've read, they haven't like robbed any banks or

602
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 1: killed any people or anything. Yeah, I just think that

603
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 1: there's a lot of criticism, a lot of the victims

604
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 1: that have obviously been highly publicized that has fueled their

605
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 1: movements or have not reaped the benefits. Sure, and so

606
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 1: where there's a lot of the higher ups in Black

607
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 1: Lives Matter who are millionaires now that weren't millionaires prior,

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00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 1: you're saying the same thing as me. So in terms

609
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 1: of your opinion on how they spend money, you know

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00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 1: it's not illegal, Like you said, they're not criminals, right,

611
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 1: So who's to say? But you know, I know this.

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00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 1: When Kanye West to be so critical of something without

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00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 1: giving it context, without knowing himself, without having walked in

614
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 1: those shoes, I feel like that's kind of a tough

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00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 1: I remember reading a story about BLM, and I don't

616
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 1: want to act like the great defender of Bilim, but

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00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 1: I just don't hear the other side of it in

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00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 1: the media. And because I've seen this in history, again,

619
00:31:57,480 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 1: I take it with a grant of salt. But the

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00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 1: other side of this is one of the stories that

621
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 1: I've seen was BLM bought a house, a mansion, something

622
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 1: like this. I was framed and then I had to

623
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 1: do some investigation because obviously we do the show, I

624
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 1: have to ever talk about it. Yeah, I did some investigation,

625
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 1: and the way BLM was looking at that purchase was like, no,

626
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 1: this was a facility. We have to have a place

627
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 1: that's protected where they can't put bugs on the wall

628
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 1: and tap stuff. We can't be renting a place. We can't,

629
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 1: you know, we have to have something with a gate.

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00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 1: We have to with certain requirements where we can house people,

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Speaker 1: you know whatever. And this place afforded us all of

632
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:34,480
Speaker 1: these things that we needed. And so this was a

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00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 1: reasonable purchase for a business like our, or for a

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00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 1: movement organization like ours, and for anyone else that had

635
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 1: an opinion prior to reading that article, they would look

636
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 1: at it like, oh, okay, of course these black people

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Speaker 1: got this money and now they're spending it. They're throwing

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Speaker 1: parties or whatever. And that's the way the article framed it.

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Speaker 1: But when you dig it one layer deeper, ask one

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Speaker 1: you're like, Okay, that makes sense. It's entirely reasonable and

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Speaker 1: it's not this nefarious operation. And so again, Kanye West

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Speaker 1: or whoever else who has been critical, but you know,

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Speaker 1: this is the person we're talking about right now. Him

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Speaker 1: saying these things again is very hurtful. Because it's very

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Speaker 1: easy to support someone black if you're the same Kanye

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Speaker 1: West who goes on the news and says, George Bush

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Speaker 1: doesn't care about black people. If these are my people

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Speaker 1: out here, When my people go in the store, they

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Speaker 1: say that they're looting. But when it's white people that

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Speaker 1: go into the store. This is about Katrina, him talking

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Speaker 1: about when white people go in the store, they're getting

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Speaker 1: supplies because they're desperate. When my people go in the store,

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Speaker 1: Kanye West said that, and then he said George Bush

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Speaker 1: doesn't care about black people. I remember watching that. I

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Speaker 1: remember watching that. So if that's the same person who

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Speaker 1: can give a little bit of grace, an understanding and

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Speaker 1: context to a conversation for him to then take it

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Speaker 1: all away from BLM who's been active on the street.

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Speaker 1: I haven't seen Kanye West in any protests, clearly, clearly

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Speaker 1: not the same person though, But you're sure, But you

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Speaker 1: know I'm holding him to that standard that he set

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Speaker 1: back to the interview, and there's like, there's very like

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Speaker 1: localized chapters. Ye. So there's like a Black Lives Matter LA.

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Speaker 1: There's a Black Lives Matter Phoenix Mester, It's a Black

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Speaker 1: Lives Matter. So all of those are very like separate

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Speaker 1: from I think. I think, I think you can't just

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Speaker 1: paint the whole thing with one brush. But I do

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Speaker 1: think that in the same way we're talking, like Cannice

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Speaker 1: Owens is capitalizing off of everything she's looking at it through,

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Speaker 1: I think a lot of people are doing it on

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Speaker 1: the other side too. Sure, Sure, I listen, that's it's

695
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Speaker 1: not impossible that these things because I know this. I

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Speaker 1: just talked to Killer Mike. So I call Killer Mike

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Speaker 1: and I'm like, yeah, where I donate my money? And

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Speaker 1: if Killer Mike tells me, don't donate it there, donate

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Speaker 1: it here, I'm like, cool, Listen. I just talked to

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Speaker 1: doctor Camille Westenberg, and I tell you what. If somebody

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Speaker 1: comes down my street and says, hey, we would like

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Speaker 1: to acquire the federal trademark to create and produce and

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Speaker 1: sell anything that says white Lives Matter on it, I

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Speaker 1: know that the NAACP is ready and willing to receive

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Speaker 1: a check from Civic Cipher lerc You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: And then I know some people, like you said, there

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Speaker 1: are local chapters, the people that I've seen do the work,

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Speaker 1: the people that inspired Civic Cipher. There's a woman named

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Speaker 1: Zara Tacola. You know, I love her that she's my shiro.

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Speaker 1: You know what she's doing. She has a five oh

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Speaker 1: one C three. They do grassroots work in Arizona, and

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Speaker 1: you know nationally, she has a national profile. I would

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Speaker 1: love to donate money to her because I believe in her,

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Speaker 1: you know her. I was going to say, if people

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Speaker 1: want to help out, how do they vet where they

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Speaker 1: should put their money. Well, you can start by donating

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Speaker 1: the Civic Cipher. You can get civiccipher dot com because

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Speaker 1: we are on it. I've risked my whole career to

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Speaker 1: bring some like I was the man I was doing

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Speaker 1: my thing. You know what I'm saying, keV, I'm telling

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Speaker 1: you like I got to convince you. But you know

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Speaker 1: we was there together, right, But yeah, I'm I'm I.

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Speaker 1: We have a segment on our show called Baba Become

724
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Speaker 1: a Better Ally, right. It's it comes from one of

725
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:11,759
Speaker 1: the African languages means father as well, so sort of

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Speaker 1: a reference to like guidance or whatever become a better

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Speaker 1: ally and that segment we often talk about the NAACP right,

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Speaker 1: So it's the oldest, most established organization that that moves

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Speaker 1: in such a way to try to create more opportunities

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Speaker 1: and more political strength for impoverished communities Black and brown.

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Speaker 1: You know, I do believe we we do believe in

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Speaker 1: unity between all marginalized groups of people. So you'll see me.

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Speaker 1: You're hear me say black and brown a lot. But

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Speaker 1: I also mean, you know, our AAPI brothers and sisters,

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Speaker 1: I mean our Native brothers and sisters, Indigenous brothers and sisters,

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Speaker 1: our l g B, t q I A plus brothers

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Speaker 1: and sisters. Anybody nailed it. If you were born, if

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Speaker 1: you feel like you were born with a strike against you,

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Speaker 1: and you want to join a movement where love is

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Speaker 1: at the center of the conversation, where we are trying

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Speaker 1: to make sure everybody has a voice and it's heard

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Speaker 1: and it's protected, and there's equality as far as we

743
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Speaker 1: can take that, then that's the movement that you want

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Speaker 1: to be on. And we didn't ask to be in

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Speaker 1: this position again, you know, with all these stations carrying

746
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Speaker 1: our message around this whole entire country. But now that

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Speaker 1: we're here, there's an even greater responsibility to be true

748
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Speaker 1: to it. And you know, if they bury my son's

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Speaker 1: carry me on my last day and they bury me

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Speaker 1: in the ground. And the last thing I did was

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Speaker 1: record an episode of Civic Cipher, I'd still say this

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Speaker 1: was a life well lived. Has there been anything because

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Speaker 1: I know you guys were doing some conversations about like

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Speaker 1: the vaccine and obviously there's a lot of hesitancy within

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Speaker 1: the you know, black and brown community to get the vaccine. Sure,

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Speaker 1: it turns out a lot of the hesitancy was maybe

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Speaker 1: well warranted. Maybe I I never found that to be

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Speaker 1: true in the the the studies that I've done well.

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Speaker 1: I was going to ask, like, if you guys do

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Speaker 1: an episode on something and then kind of like the

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Speaker 1: facts evolve, Oh yeah, we have. It's beyond revisiting, because

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Speaker 1: that's important. Out we were wrong, we have he say that.

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Speaker 1: I think that's important too, because a lot of people

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Speaker 1: wouldn't do that. I want to say before we move

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Speaker 1: on with Lives Matter, right, before we move on from that,

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Speaker 1: Black Lives Matter is a statement that is true, that

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Speaker 1: is true, correct, and a lot of the reason why

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Speaker 1: you know RAMS did not go back and forth. I

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Speaker 1: don't do a lot of the apologizing or explaining on

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Speaker 1: behalf of the organization because Kevin Quentin and Ramses can

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Speaker 1: be scrutinized, Our LLCs can be scrutinized, our companies can

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Speaker 1: be scrutinized and be wrong and make mistakes. Black lives matter, period,

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Speaker 1: as a statement is true. So I don't even have

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Speaker 1: to talk about dot org right, right, and all of

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Speaker 1: the other lives matter statements came just to oppose the

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Speaker 1: statement black lives matter. Yeah, I was just talking to

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Speaker 1: Akon about it, and that's what I was saying. I

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Speaker 1: was like, you know, the origin of this was because

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Speaker 1: obviously black lives don't matter as much as everyone else

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Speaker 1: is correct. So it's like, black lives matter as a

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Speaker 1: statement is one true, and Kanye's got to be smart

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Speaker 1: enough to realize the connotations that white like white lives matter.

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Speaker 1: No one was saying that, but now they're saying it

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Speaker 1: to combat an obvious The same with black eyes on

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Speaker 1: the matter, the same with all lives matter. It was

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Speaker 1: those statements were born just to oppose the statement black

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Speaker 1: lives matter, not to oppose the organization or anything wrong

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Speaker 1: that they did. Right. So that's why it hits the

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Speaker 1: way that it does, because we know where those statements

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Speaker 1: were born from, why they were even created, why people

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00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 1: say them. They say them to stand in opposition to

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Speaker 1: the statement that black people's lives are important and that

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Speaker 1: they're worthy of existing, worthy of equality. You know, during

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Speaker 1: breast cancer Awareness Month, we don't argue that multiple sclerosis

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Speaker 1: is also worth talking about. We don't do that when

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Speaker 1: it saved the wells, we don't talk about well the

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Speaker 1: birds aren't migrating like. We don't do that with anything else,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So the reason why I

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Speaker 1: get so disappointed and passionate and angry about it is

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Speaker 1: because of what you said. He's smart enough to know that,

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Speaker 1: and still rides this horse of really not just division,

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Speaker 1: but intentional attention mongering for statements that are flagrantly opposed

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Speaker 1: to something so simple in its nature. Right, if you're

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Speaker 1: such a free thinker, how come if we check the

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Speaker 1: boxes on the points that you make, they line up

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Speaker 1: so accurately and in such perfect alignment with white supremacist agendas,

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Speaker 1: with aligning yourself with people like homegirl who for the

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Speaker 1: dollar get on the mic and say anything with dude

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Speaker 1: in the red hat, like you can make your free

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Speaker 1: thinking statements without having to then attach yourself to things

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Speaker 1: that are so opposed to our children being able to

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Speaker 1: go to school and be okayum, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: That's why I get so passionate and upset about it.

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Speaker 1: My kids are black and Mexican and you wearing the

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Speaker 1: MAGA hat for the dude whose whole campaign was build

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Speaker 1: a wall to keep Mexican people out, like dog are

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Speaker 1: really fam So George Bush hates black people, it doesn't

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Speaker 1: care about black people, and that was your stance, but

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Speaker 1: now white lives matter and you know you're trolling. And

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Speaker 1: then on the very very wild Drinks you know drink,

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Speaker 1: he tripled down on his anti Semitic rhetoric Like really, bro, Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's rough, especially to me. To me, the craziest Kanye

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Speaker 1: ship was the George flood ship, bro. And for what Yeah,

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Speaker 1: us how awful he was, as if that makes the

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Speaker 1: fact that the man killed him Okay, right, it doesn't

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Speaker 1: matter all Like they say, all lives matter. Yeah, well

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Speaker 1: so does the guy who had a drug problems live

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Speaker 1: matter who has a bad criminal. That's all I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: All lives matter, until do they all lives are immigrants

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Speaker 1: or prisoners or convicts and criminals. That's I'm glad you

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Speaker 1: said that, because you know, people we feel like, especially

835
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Speaker 1: on the show, we feel like people deserve a little dignity.

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Speaker 1: We don't feel like anybody is simply the worst thing

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Speaker 1: they've ever done. People deserve to be forgiven. We're not

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Speaker 1: the biggest fans of cancel culture, you know what I mean,

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Speaker 1: Because there's people who make mistakes, make honest mistakes, right,

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Speaker 1: and you know, if we condemn everyone who makes a

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Speaker 1: mistake to you know, the margins of society, then they're

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Speaker 1: just going to find community within each other and then

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Speaker 1: we bolster the opposition. Hey guys, we got to stop

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Speaker 1: But that's how it would be dissected. One hundred people

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Speaker 1: And it still is. That just a problem. So like

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Speaker 1: get back to the interview. What you think about Gavin Newsom.

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Speaker 1: I think I lived here and it was terrible. So

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Speaker 1: I don't know, man, I don't think. I don't I'm

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Speaker 1: not sure Gavin Newsom will be the guy gotten Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: for sure. But Gavin Newsom also like destroyed like most

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Speaker 1: small businesses in California, Like all the restaurants I was

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Speaker 1: going to, they're all closed, and it was all kind

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Speaker 1: of and you look like Florida's death rates were not

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Speaker 1: any I think if it's a Newsom verse DeSantis, Newsom

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Speaker 1: is gonna have a hard time in that debate. Well,

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Speaker 1: I would like it to be one of the things

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Speaker 1: that I will say. I would rather it be them

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Speaker 1: too than Trump and who yes, yes, as long as

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Speaker 1: Trump is not in the cards. Literally anything else more damaging.

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Speaker 1: I just think it sucks because, like you would think

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Speaker 1: Kamala Harris would have taken the opportunity to like be

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Speaker 1: the next person, but like she's not gonna win. She's

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Speaker 1: kind of faded to the background. For the truth is,

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Speaker 1: like I said, these media awards, now that we're playing

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Speaker 1: this media game, we understand exactly how media works and

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Speaker 1: how it shapes optics around people. You know, I went

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Speaker 1: from loving Kamala to despising her, to loving her and

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Speaker 1: cheering for her to despising her, and I realized looking

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Speaker 1: back on all that, I'm like, Okay, so when she

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Speaker 1: got elected, this was great, and then she was like

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Speaker 1: imprisoning black people's doing that before she got a let

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Speaker 1: But you know, I'm trying to say, I'm trying to

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Speaker 1: tell the story about how no, no no, no, I mean

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Speaker 1: that she becomes the VP, and then it's like, oh,

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Speaker 1: that's why it's important to have nuanced conversations. And then

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Speaker 1: this is why there's a show called Breaking Points on YouTube.

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Speaker 1: It's like a kind of like an old school conservative

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Speaker 1: young dude and an old school like liberal lady. And

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Speaker 1: the shows like they just do the news and then

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Speaker 1: at the end they each give their take, so like

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Speaker 1: if you want to watch like the their opinion on something,

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00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:32,640
Speaker 1: they'll find one thing to kind of like. But it's like,

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Speaker 1: like you said, the media is weaponized in such a

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Speaker 1: crazy way. Now to do they find the middle ground? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: or they just agree to disagree, But which is Okay?

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Speaker 1: You were saying something though, the way the media space

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Speaker 1: is right now in our with with the opportunity that

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Speaker 1: we have with Civic Cipher, in the conversations that we

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Speaker 1: can have, we understand that we both kind of share

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Speaker 1: similar views, but we also recognize that there are other

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Speaker 1: people we call them brothers and sisters and we mean

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Speaker 1: that who may not agree with us, but we have

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Speaker 1: to get a message to them in a meaningful way

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Speaker 1: that they will receive them. And war fire and Brimstone

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Speaker 1: is not going to do that. That's why. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's a topic that I think like people, and I'm

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Speaker 1: obviously pro choice, but how dare you no? But this

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Speaker 1: is the thing, right, is like if someone if someone

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Speaker 1: isn't pro choice, that means that they literally think that

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Speaker 1: abortion is murder. So if they literally think that, then

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Speaker 1: you have to respect that they don't want it to happen.

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Speaker 1: But the problem is is if someone says that they

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Speaker 1: are against abortion, then they all of a sudden they

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Speaker 1: hate women, you know what I'm saying. But the problem

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Speaker 1: is what you said though most of the people that

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Speaker 1: come out on the other side of it. Because if

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Speaker 1: I'm going to approach you, let's talk about the vaccine. Right.

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Speaker 1: If I'm going to approach you as anti vaccine or

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Speaker 1: pro If I cannot have an intelligent, simple conversation with

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Speaker 1: you on either side of it, then what am I doing?

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Speaker 1: And my thing is is I don't even think it's

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Speaker 1: worth having a conversation with people who are anti abortion

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Speaker 1: because they literally think it's murder. Yeah, so if you

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Speaker 1: think something is murder, then I get it. So I

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Speaker 1: was describing sort of the temperament of our show, and

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Speaker 1: I think that this point so I appreciate. I think

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Speaker 1: this point helps us illustrate it. If someone has, like

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Speaker 1: for instance, you mentioned the vaccine, If someone has an

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Speaker 1: opinion on what they're going to do with their body,

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Speaker 1: that sort of thing, we have to respect that, and

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Speaker 1: I get it. We of course, on the show, we

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Speaker 1: recommended that you know, community's hardest hit by COVID R

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Speaker 1: take the vaccine. We had taken the vaccine, We both

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Speaker 1: had COVID. You know, we understood sort of what we're

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Speaker 1: up against, and we did our due diligence in terms

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Speaker 1: of the research right at the time. So making those

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Speaker 1: recommendations or having those conversations were not necessarily rooted in

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Speaker 1: someone else's a pressure. Right, we have conversations on our show.

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Speaker 1: You know what I mean. You can have your difference

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01:00:05,520 --> 01:00:10,000
Speaker 1: of political beliefs, right, and I'll allow you those beliefs

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Speaker 1: provided they are not rooted in my oppression. So when

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Speaker 1: it comes to the abortion issue, which is a woman's issue,

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Speaker 1: so none of us in theory should be great champions,

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Speaker 1: are great voices in that space. But in terms of

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Speaker 1: we all have women that we love in our lives,

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Speaker 1: and you know, we have platforms, and so we have

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Speaker 1: to kind of walk that line as best we can,

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01:00:30,600 --> 01:00:35,080
Speaker 1: recognizing that other people have their opinions on what needs

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Speaker 1: to happen if a woman is pregnant and does not

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Speaker 1: want to have the baby. Those opinions, in theory, they

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Speaker 1: should only exist provided they're not rooted in the oppression

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Speaker 1: of some other group of people. And if you can

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Speaker 1: make the case that I'm pro abortion or I'm sorry

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Speaker 1: pro life, pro life exactly, and women look at that like, well,

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Speaker 1: that decision is rooted in my oppression, that that decision

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Speaker 1: oppresses me, It limits what it is that I can

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Speaker 1: do with my own body. I am a free, freestanding

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Speaker 1: human being endowed with consciousness from those people, though it

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Speaker 1: doesn't matter, it's not just her body, whatever, whatever. But

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Speaker 1: the thing is when we have these conversas I guess

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Speaker 1: what I'm saying is like what we were talking about earlier, right,

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Speaker 1: if like, if someone tells me that their pro pro life, like,

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to just assume that they're a terrible person.

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Speaker 1: But in terms of column is is like if like

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Speaker 1: if if somebody came out and said I'm pro or

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Speaker 1: I'm pro life, right, they automatically get this whole entire right,

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Speaker 1: And then that's what I'm saying. We don't have to

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Speaker 1: write people off. That's politics, but we too though for sure,

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Speaker 1: well let me let me finish. We don't have to

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Speaker 1: write people off for feeling how they feel. But we

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Speaker 1: cannot give equal footing if someone else's opinion is rooted

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Speaker 1: in the oppression of someone else by the nature of

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Speaker 1: our show, because that has been used to a press

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Speaker 1: black people since black people arrived on these shores, that

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Speaker 1: formula that format, and so we buy by the by

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Speaker 1: the virtue of the show that we do the nature

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Speaker 1: of the show. We cannot we cannot do that. So

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Speaker 1: if someone else has a separate opinion, we have to

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Speaker 1: still call them our brothers and our sisters who have

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Speaker 1: a different opinion. We do our best to illustrate their

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Speaker 1: points on our show, and oftentimes those points have value,

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Speaker 1: their credible points, they do not reflect the reality that

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Speaker 1: I mean. Listen, my thing is is if someone's religious, right, yeah, religious, great?

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Speaker 1: One religious is like, yo, I think that the baby's

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Speaker 1: being murdered, So you want me to co sign that.

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Speaker 1: I personally am an atheist. So I don't give a

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Speaker 1: fuck about none of that, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: I don't care like smoke them as long no, as

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Speaker 1: long as it's a certain obviously, even in a certain range.

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Speaker 1: I think the late term of bridge is crazy. But

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Speaker 1: I just think that like it's like it's it's kind

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Speaker 1: of like back to what I was saying about the

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Speaker 1: vaccine thing, where it's like, yo, like there's nurses who

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Speaker 1: are heroes during the pandemic who got fired because they

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Speaker 1: wouldn't get vaccinated and guess what they were, right, So

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Speaker 1: you're talking about something I don't know about. So there's

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Speaker 1: actual nurses, people who work in hospitals job. I just

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Speaker 1: have not come across that story myself or those there's

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Speaker 1: people who lost their job. Listen, I know that again

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Speaker 1: there's this and this is the point we're making there's

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Speaker 1: credible conversations, there's credible ideas and beliefs on both sides.

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Speaker 1: On the Black Information Network Daily podcast, it's a show

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Speaker 1: that I do every day. I have a maybe twice

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Speaker 1: a week feature that I do. It's called One More Thing.

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Speaker 1: So check that out at bion news dot com or

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Speaker 1: iHeart dot com. You'll see me. I'm the one with

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Speaker 1: the afro next to Katie Curic. Anyway, on that platform,

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Speaker 1: when I do that show, I say something that I

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Speaker 1: believe really works in this space. And this is sort

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Speaker 1: of the temperament we have on Civic Cipher as well.

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Speaker 1: I say, listen, I don't profess to be right. I

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Speaker 1: would love to hear you our listener's thoughts on this,

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Speaker 1: and maybe somewhere in the middle will find our way

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Speaker 1: together forward, our way forward together. Right. And so this

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Speaker 1: is kind of the formula that we have to have

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Speaker 1: bear in mind. On Civic Cipher. We have to take

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Speaker 1: a show that is talking to music programmers and ask

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Speaker 1: them to turn the music off for an hour a week.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes they bury in the middle of the night. That's fine,

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Speaker 1: We'll take it. But we have to convince these people

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Speaker 1: to let us have conversations in spaces where they don't exist.

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Speaker 1: And in doing that, we have to bear in mind

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Speaker 1: that these people's opinions, these oftentimes wealthy white men, their

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Speaker 1: opinions politically may differ from ours. And yet and still

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Speaker 1: they may listen to this show, and we need them

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Speaker 1: to recognize that their opinion is at least being represented.

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Speaker 1: It will be challenged, but it will be represented in

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Speaker 1: we will do our best to represent their opinion fairly,

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Speaker 1: and we will not be unfair. That's just the thing

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Speaker 1: that we do, you know. Obviously, having some sort of

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Speaker 1: conversation is just I feel like we do that as

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Speaker 1: often can we get guests. The troubling thing and I

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Speaker 1: hate to keep saying the word nuanced, but Kevin said it,

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Speaker 1: and it's important. Right. If I'm a fireman and I

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Speaker 1: no longer believe in the science that water puts fire out,

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Speaker 1: I can't be a fireman anymore. If I'm on the

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Speaker 1: clergy and I go to seminary and some sciencest convinces

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Speaker 1: me that parts of the Bible are untrue, then I

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Speaker 1: can't sit on the clergy anymore. If you are a

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Speaker 1: medical professional, doctor, nurse, and you don't believe in the

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Speaker 1: science of medicine, then you probably shouldn't be a nurse anymore, right,

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Speaker 1: your job in that space. Yeah, but the science of medicine,

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Speaker 1: the science of that vaccine has been changed so much

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Speaker 1: on the CDC websites, and there's like monoclonal antibodies and

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of shit that they purposely withheld in

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Speaker 1: some of the states that science wise. If I'm a

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Speaker 1: nurse and I'm like, yo, well, the science says if

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Speaker 1: you have had COVID then you're more safe than if

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Speaker 1: you get the vaccine, then you can practice. So my

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Speaker 1: thing is that they're right. But my thing is is,

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Speaker 1: like with the with the vaccine thing, just you could

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Speaker 1: just go through and look at the way CDC changed

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Speaker 1: their ship from like week to week, so the science

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Speaker 1: changed over and over and over. You can provide data

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Speaker 1: on both sides of that point, and that's wind and

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Speaker 1: boosted and whatever. There might have been some very harmful

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Speaker 1: effects to that with Kevin that were not right. No,

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Speaker 1: And I think that that's why it's like, Okay, like

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Speaker 1: this isn't a one size fits all thing. With the vaccine,

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Speaker 1: it wasn't a one size fits all thing, and that's

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Speaker 1: how it was sold to the people listen. On our show,

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Speaker 1: we said listen. If you are a healthy person, you

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Speaker 1: know whatever, you can make these decisions. If you are

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Speaker 1: a person, if you're elderly, if you're old, no, for sure,

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Speaker 1: then if you have our recommendation have been provided. Though,

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Speaker 1: like in all things, is the choice to do whichever

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Speaker 1: one you that you want it. And there's the difference

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Speaker 1: in saying if you are a person that's at risk,

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Speaker 1: you should get the vaccine versus saying no one should

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Speaker 1: because there might be I also think the person. That's

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Speaker 1: the difference of saying if you're a person at risk,

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Speaker 1: you should get it, as opposed to saying you have

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Speaker 1: to get it. Correct. That's what I said. When you

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Speaker 1: tell people they have to do something, they're gonna be like, wait, what, no,

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Speaker 1: we we had to do that. Listen now at this point,

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Speaker 1: it's it's different from cutting a brake, you know, thirty

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Speaker 1: second break, talking up a ramp into you know some

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Speaker 1: new you know, little baby record or something like that,

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Speaker 1: where you're not talking about the stakes aren't that high.

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01:07:45,520 --> 01:07:48,720
Speaker 1: When you're having conversations that are life and death about

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01:07:48,760 --> 01:07:52,200
Speaker 1: police killing people, for sure, political political, you can't just

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Speaker 1: have thods you have to. You have to, and then

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Speaker 1: you have to bear in mind that other people have

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Speaker 1: a different vantage point. This is something that I learned,

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01:08:00,120 --> 01:08:04,360
Speaker 1: but had to learn even deeper lives doing this show,

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01:08:05,240 --> 01:08:08,080
Speaker 1: and we feel like we are setting up a formula

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Speaker 1: and a template, one that will carry into Hip Hop

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Speaker 1: Weekly magazine, one that will carry into other spaces. On

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Speaker 1: the Black Information Network Daily podcast, they told you exactly

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Speaker 1: the temperament that I have. Where listen, somewhere in the middle,

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Speaker 1: we'll find our way forward. Okay, of course, you don't

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Speaker 1: have to be me. I'm not a trump person, I'm

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Speaker 1: not a Conye, you don't have to do it like me.

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Speaker 1: But listen, listen what I'm saying, and cooler heads will prevail.

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Speaker 1: There's reasonable there's logic and reason on this side of

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Speaker 1: the argument. And even if you don't come all the

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Speaker 1: way over, you'll least see if you allow me the same,

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Speaker 1: If you listen with open ears and recognize that I

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Speaker 1: am a human being endowed with consciousness from our common creator.

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Speaker 1: I am just like you. I want my sons to

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Speaker 1: watch me grow old and then bury me at the

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Speaker 1: end of my life. Of course, if you want that

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Speaker 1: and I want that, then we have more in common

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Speaker 1: than we have in one hundred percent of difference. And

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Speaker 1: so you can listen to my vantage point, my perspective,

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01:09:01,160 --> 01:09:03,800
Speaker 1: my reality. I can share it with you and then

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Speaker 1: in the middle because I have no problem compromising. This

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01:09:06,800 --> 01:09:09,040
Speaker 1: is something black people are very good at, especially in

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Speaker 1: this country's history. Listen, we don't need everything. We don't

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Speaker 1: need it, We don't need much soon. We just need

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Speaker 1: to keep moving in the right direction. We let our

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Speaker 1: brothers and sisters who are in power controlling a lot

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Speaker 1: more than we are at the time, catch up with

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Speaker 1: where we're going. You know what I mean. But we

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Speaker 1: have found our way through a lot of the muck

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Speaker 1: that this country was born out of, and civic cipher

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Speaker 1: I believe continues in that tradition with the help of

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Speaker 1: you know, our listeners, with the help of you know,

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Speaker 1: the people that support us along the way. Kevin you

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Speaker 1: included you know, uh, doctor Westenberg consults with us. Shout

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Speaker 1: out Chris Thompson from the Black Information Network, Shout out

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Speaker 1: Tony Cults from Black Information Network. Shout out you know

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Speaker 1: all the programs around the country that carry our show

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Speaker 1: and the programmers that are flirting with carrying our show

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Speaker 1: as well, you know, we are going to do our

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Speaker 1: best to continue to do right by everyone, and as

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Speaker 1: soon as we learn something new that conflicts with something old,

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01:10:02,560 --> 01:10:04,720
Speaker 1: we will address it. And if we learn something new

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Speaker 1: that informs our path forward, we will do our best

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Speaker 1: to guide the folks that listen to us that way.

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Speaker 1: But you need to believe in the heart and the

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Speaker 1: temperament and the tone of the show in order to

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Speaker 1: ride this way with us. But we feel like we

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Speaker 1: are committing our lives to a cause that will make

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Speaker 1: significant changes for all of us, not just black and

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Speaker 1: brown people, but all of us, because we do feel

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Speaker 1: that our brothers and sisters from the Caucasian tribe deserve

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Speaker 1: to learn how to be the best version of themselves

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Speaker 1: right as they possibly can be. They deserve that, and

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Speaker 1: if we can show them what that looks like from

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Speaker 1: our perspective, then we feel like they welcome that too.

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Speaker 1: This is why we're on the air in Massachusetts and

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Speaker 1: you know, shoot Vermont right places that you know what

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Speaker 1: I'm saying, where there's not you know, Mississippi it makes sense,

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Speaker 1: you know Louisiana, you know New Orleans that makes sense

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Speaker 1: at you know, those make sense. But you know places

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Speaker 1: where people are really like, hey, we'd love to carry

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Speaker 1: the show. It's because of those type of people as well,

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Speaker 1: So shout out to them. If you are listening to

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Speaker 1: my voice, you are my sister. If you're listening to

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Speaker 1: my voice and my brother, we are. We are trying

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Speaker 1: to do something here. Support us Civic Cipher dot com,

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Speaker 1: b I N News dot com, hip hopwekly dot com. Well,

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Speaker 1: what's the instagrams for everybody? Hip Hop Weekly? Uh, Civic

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Speaker 1: Cipher and I am qward at Jah. Yeah, there it is.

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Speaker 1: I don't even think I said my name. So you're allowed,

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Speaker 1: you guys. You guys put everything on YouTube too, right, Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: we're we're revamping the YouTube right now. But by the

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Speaker 1: time you hear this, we'll have a whole new approach

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Speaker 1: to our YouTube because we really want to make sure

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Speaker 1: that we're uh hitting people the way that that we

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Speaker 1: need to on that platform. We we we created a

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Speaker 1: radio show and it's grown beyond borders. Yeah. And if

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Speaker 1: you're out there selling white Lives Matter shirts, you're about

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Speaker 1: to get sued by Morris Just sue Kanye, just do it. No, man,

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Speaker 1: we if we see someone profiting, you know, I gotta

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Speaker 1: feel like he's gonn try to sell those shirts. Well,

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Speaker 1: he's got to talk to us first. Otherwise, I don't

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Speaker 1: think anybody wants to half. We don't want to it first,

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Speaker 1: well listen, we don't want to him to jump off

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Speaker 1: the porch. Listen, we don't want to come see us afterwards. Honestly, Well,

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Speaker 1: there it is. It's an excpher. Appreciate your pulling up.

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Speaker 1: We appreciate you bring boom